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Fast Fact - Wayne Gretzky scored his first big league hat trick at Heritage Bank Arena in 1978, during his rookie year, in the old World Hockey Association.
Sprint Center in KC has done quite well without a tenant due to flexibility for scheduling concerts and touring shows. However, KC benefits from a massive geographical catchment area, being the only major city within a several hour drive.
And that's why I think Cincinnati won't get a major indoors team from the NBA or NHL. The Pacers are 100 miles away. Cleveland is about 200 miles away. Columbus with hockey is also 100 miles away. College basketball is like pro basketball around here with XU, UC, UK, UofL, Dayton, OSU, Butler, and IU. Cincinnati should build an arena around 15,000 seats and gear it towards attracting concerts, traveling acts, and conventions.
@@aaronswink8554 I don't know if 15K is big enough when you have to compete against arenas in the 18K-20K range in attracting major acts and conventions.
@fixpacifica They just can't make Louisville's mistake. The KFC Yum! Center (I hate that name with every fiber of my body) is a really nice arena. The plan was to try to woo a team like the Hornets or Grizzlies to Louisville with a shiny new toy. Didn't happen. UofL plays their games there but given all of the drama and losing these past 5+ years, they play to a lot of empty seats. Plus where the current Riverfront Coliseum is located, that has now been wedged between the outfield of GABP and the the approach to a bridge and a large parking garage. Spreading out will be tough and they might have to follow Montreal's example and go high and steep. Walking up the Centre Bell's upper levels makes you wonder if you need a Sherpa and some rope. So build it to your market size. Louisville didn't and they have this nice but too large arena that only sells out when the biggest shows come to town.
Cincinnati's only had two arenas in its history - Riverfront Coliseum (the facility referenced here; unless a sponsor pays me for using their name, I'm not doing it), preceded by the Cincinnati Gardens. The place also has a tragic history, being the site where 11 fans were crushed to death in a stampede of people trying to get into a concert by The Who. Indoor-based professional sports tenant or not, it's in Cincinnati's civic interest... and in the interest of putting that tragedy behind them to an extent... to build a new facility. It's also amusing to see that Mike Brown, who VOWED that the Bengals new stadium would NEVER sell naming rights and erase father Paul's name from the facility... went for the fast buck and sold out his father's memory. What a scuzzbucket.
Finally met someone else that refuses to use the sponsored name. Unless I get a cut, I’m not using that paid for name. I wish more people would do the same.
P&G has been quiet with putting their name on things. I thought they would grab Paul Brown Stadium's name right away, but Paycor got it. Great American Insurance, Cintas, 5/3 Bank, and TQL Logistics have the rest in town (besides what's discussed in the video). I'm surprised United Dairy Farmers hasn't put their name on something.
I lived in Cincinnati a long time (GO MUSKIES!!!) and know the current Riverfront Coliseum (forget corporate name) all too well. It's just way too old. The college arenas at Xavier and UC are right-sized for campus, but won't or can't get the bigger shows. Meanwhile, Louisville, Columbus, and Indianapolis all have new-ish arenas that have stayed modern these last 15-20 years. Outside of the WWE, the huge arena shows go elsewhere. The current arena is in a great location. The riverfront has been transformed through The Banks project, and with Paycor getting major renovations, more action there. Build it on the water. And it will likely be a Louisville, Kansas City, and Omaha situation where there is a nice arena but no full-time tenants. But Cincinnati is really being held back in attracting top-tier shows due to a small, outdated, and honestly, shabby arena on prime real estate.
Manchester (England) built an area that won’t fit a basketball court or hockey rink. They built it in a square shape because the concert market’s so strong.
When the World Hockey Association folded and the NHL absorbed four teams, the Cincinnati Stingers were considered but the NHL opted for Hartford instead and Cincinnati has a long minor league hockey history.
Tulsa has the BOK center. Similar size with just a minor league hockey and indoor football team. I attended a few concerts there when I lived in OKC, and it’s pretty nice.
I thought it odd that Cincinnati didn't have a legacy NBA team (that is, one that's been around for a while) since in the past it's been one of the largest and most important cities in the US, and it's not that far west. So I did some looking. After getting the Royals from Rochester, they had one for a while, then lost it to Kansas City (and Omaha, in a bit of historical weirdness). But because there were already Royals in Kansas City, they had to rename it. In one of those times when history stutters, they then lost the team to California, just like they had with the Athletics. That team now? The Sacramento Kings.
wild how some paths teams have made in the life of the team. Like the pistons used to be in ft wayne indiana and went to the nba championship 2x. Anderson Indiana had a NBA team in 1949-50 and went to the NBA semifinals and had won the NBL championship the year before. and that NBA simifinal was played against the Lakers... Minnesota Lakers.
Yes they should do it. Even if it means never getting an NHL Team that can be the new home for the Cyclones, it could bring in an NBA Team, and having more concerts is always great. They have a venue for concerts down at the banks, but having more than one is always a great option. What would also benefit this area is if shops and restaurants are built around it to connect it to The Banks allowing for more foot traffic along the riverfront.
Cincinnati Cyclones drew considerably more when they played in Cincinnati Gardens. Riverfront Coliseum has had an awful aura about it since 11 people were killed before The Who concert on 12/3/79. A memorial plaque was placed at the Coliseum only three years ago. Note: the teens who died that day would have been in their early 60s now. It took 40+ years for the Coliseum's private ownership put up a memorial.
San Diego keeps talking about doing the same thing--but they are only shooting for a 16,000 seat arena (and the interested parties haven't said just what the seating capacities would be for various indoor sports). Either way, it would probably be too small for any visions of hosting a future NHL or NBA team (and yes--the NBA is a longer shot of the 2, since we've already lost 2 NBA teams).
That’s an interesting idea. I recall similar ideas when the local convention center was built to draw in larger conventions here in Portland many moons ago. But without a large hotel, we have still missed on major conventions and conferences. Those special events are huge deals, and it makes a lot of sense to bring in those tourism dollars. It’s rather ironic that this current stadium never hosted an NBA team. The Cincinnati Royals traded away their stars by 1970, and attendance suffered, so the team moved to Kansas City. Riverfront/Heritage opened up 4 seasons later. I supposed if the ABA had survived another 4 seasons, another team might have played in Cincinnati (like the way Dallas, Houston, San Diego, Salt Lake City and New Orleans each had a couple of franchises off and in the late 60s- late 70s).
Roof estimate at Paycor seems crazy expensive, and I like outdoor stadiums for football regardless of the weather. However, if Cincy wants to draw say, the top musical acts in the world, they would need a football stadium. Rogers Centre is now a baseball only stadium, but Taylor Swift just finished selling out 6 shows in a row at 50,000+ per show. I believe she only plays stadiums (not arenas), and I suspect the same is true for Bruno Mars, Drake, The Weeknd, etc..
Fun Fact (maybe not so fun..?) Reason Louisville's arena is called the KFC Yum! Center is because the company that develops, operates, and franchises KFC / Taco Bell / Pizza Hut franchises is called "Yum! Brands" and is headquartered in Louisville. Whoever came up with the exclamation point idea is a marketing genius IMO. 😄
I would say it's about time they replaced the old Riverfront Coliseum, only hang up I think is wanting taxpayers to fork out 70% of the cost. taxpayers here in SW Ohio are already footing the bill for 2 stadiums in Cincy...both occupied by less than stellar teams. Happy Thanksgiving Brodie!
Unless city/county/state taxpayers are all in for funding 70% of the arena, this seems foolish. Copps Coliseum (now FirstOntario Centre) in Hamilton, T-Mobile Center in Kansas City, Videotron Centre in Quebec City, etc...all built without first securing a team. All still without a team. NBA will expand to Seattle and Vegas and stay at 32. Next NHL expansion will likely be Houston and Atlanta. Blue Jackets moving to Cincy is the only possibility I see, but I'm skeptical.
Build the new arena...its old which raises concerns (ingree&egres) ,If one thing I' have seen with the Oakland Arena is that it attracts the lesser known concerts, family shows ,etc. because of WHY ? Theres a relatively new Chase Center right on the other side of the Bay that draws in all the name concerts and shows catch my drift Cincinnati? Maybe put in 19,000 seats
The Bengals’ stadium is good for attracting acts like Taylor Swift, but I think a lot of performers would struggle to fill it. On the other hand, an indoor arena with out an NHL or NBA team may have an easier time attracting acts, as there’s a lot more flexibility in the schedule, especially when you figure in the time that it takes to do a conversion between ice, court, or floor, and the unknowns of the playoff season.
So many of us have been told that KC is making money on the arena because there’s NO NBA or NHL team. I’ve heard there’s been a few years with losses, but generally, by not having an anchor tenant that demands most of the revenues while saddling the city with the costs, that the Sprint Center has turned out alright for KC. Are you disputing this?
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I think this is great for Cincinnati that they are willing to go it alone. The XL Center in Hartford was built as the Hartford Civic Center 50 years ago (same age as Heritage Bank Center). They are undergoing a massive back of house renovation and upgrade because they also have found that larger shows can't get into the building with the limited dock space of a 50 year old building. That said, the World Hockey Association (WHA), the American Hockey League (AHL) didn't fare well in Cincinnati and I don't think the Cyclones of the ECHL are faring a whole lot better. This makes it difficult for the NHL and NBA to give them a serious look.
Irishman I think KC would be a much more priority for the Pelicans to move to then Cincinnati. Ditto for Louisville or Tampa assuming Vegas and Seattle are guaranteed expansion spots. The Cavs may not be thrilled about a 2nd team in Ohio. Cincinnati makes more sense for a “G” League team and affiliate for either the Pacers or Cavs.
New Orleans is already one of the smallest markets and has an NFL team in town. Add shrinking population dues to threat of rising sea levels. I think adding an NBA team to Cincinnati in the long run would stress it's ability to support four major sports. Same thing with KC. San Diego is an under served pro sports market right now since the Chargers left.
Even if Cincinnati builds this and it doesn’t draw the NBA or NHL to the city, it’s still very much worth it. It’ll be similar to the T-Mobile Center in KC. That place is very busy with concerts, Big 12 basketball tournament every March, family shows, etc. every year despite not having a full-time tenant calling the place home. Cincinnati missed out on the 2016 RNC Convention to Cleveland and the 2022 NCAA Tournament 1st weekend to Indianapolis because their current arena is old and outdated. I’m sure the same could be said for concerts too. I think San Diego is also trying to build a new arena without the promise of an NBA or NHL franchise.
Quebec City built a sports arena hoping for an NHL team which hasn't happened. That arena is over 12 years old. I think Toronto wants to build a venue just for concerts to avoid scheduling with Raptors and Maple Leafs. It kinda makes sense.
I am suprised Toronto does not have a smaller 5-10K arena built just for concerts and smaller sized business conventions. In the NYC area which has 2 NBA and 3 NHL teams, besides the famous Madison Square Garden, there is Brooklyn/Barclays, USB/Belmont Park Arena on Long Island and Prudential Center in Newark. So NYC/Northern New Jersey has 3 arenas that can also accommodate concerts, award shows and conventions besides their bread & butter sports.
@@americangiant1003 they do have Coca Cola Coliseum for other events. I've been to a few WWE house shows. Plus Toronto Marlies and I think the future WNBA team. But not just for concerts.
I do wanna say, if they go forward with this arena, it could kill any chance Louisville would get to have an nba team due to how close louisville and cincinnati are.
For me, I don't see the logic of building a sports arena of any size just to have it. Unless they have money to spend to attract a team or teams, like Utah. Plus, adding a billion dollar roof to a 25 year old football stadium is ludicrous! It should have been part of the original plan!
I read a while back that the Blue Jackets are starting the process of re-negotiating their lease at the arena in Columbus. I wonder how long until they use this new Cincinnati arena as leverage.
Columbus is too close for the NHL to expand to Cincy. I think Indy has a better shot if any city in the Midwest would get a team which won’t happen because Simon won’t let it. The NHL would be smart to look at Louisville because they don’t have any pro teams and KFC Yum! Center can fit a rink inside. Louisville is a very underrated market in my opinion.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family, Brodie. Another interesting video, but like anything else, in 2024, 2025, when you talk about the public paying 70% of the bill, that is a non-starter. You need a group, with deep pockets, a professional league ready to expand, the NCAA ready to host multiple championship events, multiple events and groups that want to tour in the city. Thanks for your work, here on TH-cam.
Indianapolis built a giant dome in the middle of town, a few years later the Colts moved in. Are there any NHL or NBA teams currently keeping an eye on the real estate market?
Think about this: if they build a new arena in Cincinnati, they can still find a use for the old one. In Kansas City, Kemper was repurposed as a giant rec center. In Houston, the former Summit became Joel Osteen's church building.
I don't think Cinci will get a ton of NCAA tournament games, and definitely not the men's Final Four, since that only goes in NFL domes now. With Dayton less than an hour away hosting the First Four every year does the NCAA want to then turn around and give a weekend to neighboring Cincinnati?
Is it a big enough market for an NBA or NHL team? It’s been a two team market forever and they are not talked about as a relocation or expansion market.
Riverfront Arena is nice enough but dated. There is no point in building a new building a without a team to full 40 nights a year. Of course I loved the cavernous Richfield Coliseum that could fit just short of 24,000 for a concert.
With all the homeless that we have in every state, you’d think they’d prioritize housing vs another arena. If the state gives any money for this, someone will lose their job. JMO
If the National Lacrosse League is going to be "the next major league," let them be the prime tenant till the other two indoor sports relocate or expand there. Let the 'Nati fans build their own fandom from the ground up.
Seating capacity is good but the concourses are VERY small. Access is poor. Like you said, footprint is quite small. IMO you don’t do this project unless you have a guaranteed NBA or NHL tenant. And no chance of NHL with Columbus nearby and tiny chance of NBA.
You have to ask the question, can the state of Ohio support two NHL teams on opposite sides of state. If there was a NHL team in Cincinnati, they can draw fans from Northern Kentucky and become a regional team
The same could be said for the NBA, since Cincinnati is almost the same distance from Indianapolis. However, you have NFL teams in both Cincy and Indy, and MLS clubs in both Cincy and Columbus.
@ I agree about NBA but with NFL it’s more understandable because of the popularity and corporate sponsorship funds TV rights and of course fan interest
@@henryca03 I don't think the NFL would put up much of a fight if the Bengals wanted to relocate for that reason. Right now, there is no place really for them to go IMO. The MLS is a different animal, I think the popularity soccer in America would benefit from teams in many major markets as possible. Fans in non-MLS markets will follow European teams or not follow soccer at all.
Does the arena in Arizona that evicted the Arizona Coyotes make more money without the team? I am sure that I read that somewhere, but open to being wrong.
This year, Taylor's boyfriend (and his brother) did a live show for their podcast at an arena in Cincinnati. In fairness, they're both U of Cincinnati alumni.
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Fast Fact - Wayne Gretzky scored his first big league hat trick at Heritage Bank Arena in 1978, during his rookie year, in the old World Hockey Association.
This is true, he was playing for the Indianapolis Racers
Sprint Center in KC has done quite well without a tenant due to flexibility for scheduling concerts and touring shows. However, KC benefits from a massive geographical catchment area, being the only major city within a several hour drive.
And that's why I think Cincinnati won't get a major indoors team from the NBA or NHL. The Pacers are 100 miles away. Cleveland is about 200 miles away. Columbus with hockey is also 100 miles away. College basketball is like pro basketball around here with XU, UC, UK, UofL, Dayton, OSU, Butler, and IU. Cincinnati should build an arena around 15,000 seats and gear it towards attracting concerts, traveling acts, and conventions.
@@aaronswink8554 I don't know if 15K is big enough when you have to compete against arenas in the 18K-20K range in attracting major acts and conventions.
@fixpacifica They just can't make Louisville's mistake. The KFC Yum! Center (I hate that name with every fiber of my body) is a really nice arena. The plan was to try to woo a team like the Hornets or Grizzlies to Louisville with a shiny new toy. Didn't happen. UofL plays their games there but given all of the drama and losing these past 5+ years, they play to a lot of empty seats. Plus where the current Riverfront Coliseum is located, that has now been wedged between the outfield of GABP and the the approach to a bridge and a large parking garage. Spreading out will be tough and they might have to follow Montreal's example and go high and steep. Walking up the Centre Bell's upper levels makes you wonder if you need a Sherpa and some rope. So build it to your market size. Louisville didn't and they have this nice but too large arena that only sells out when the biggest shows come to town.
Brodie, you have cemented yourself now as that sports venue guru here on TH-cam. Love it!
They should do a turkey drop today to raise funds for the new arena.
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Cincinnati's only had two arenas in its history - Riverfront Coliseum (the facility referenced here; unless a sponsor pays me for using their name, I'm not doing it), preceded by the Cincinnati Gardens. The place also has a tragic history, being the site where 11 fans were crushed to death in a stampede of people trying to get into a concert by The Who. Indoor-based professional sports tenant or not, it's in Cincinnati's civic interest... and in the interest of putting that tragedy behind them to an extent... to build a new facility. It's also amusing to see that Mike Brown, who VOWED that the Bengals new stadium would NEVER sell naming rights and erase father Paul's name from the facility... went for the fast buck and sold out his father's memory. What a scuzzbucket.
Finally met someone else that refuses to use the sponsored name. Unless I get a cut, I’m not using that paid for name. I wish more people would do the same.
@@ec1628 Damned right.
the concert market is better money marker than sport teams, also home of Proctor and Gamble so corpate name rights already sold
P&G has been quiet with putting their name on things. I thought they would grab Paul Brown Stadium's name right away, but Paycor got it. Great American Insurance, Cintas, 5/3 Bank, and TQL Logistics have the rest in town (besides what's discussed in the video). I'm surprised United Dairy Farmers hasn't put their name on something.
@ you are right. My guess is since 80 per cent of their costumers are women they don’t see value in male sport’s marketing
@@aaronswink8554 my late father used to stumble over that name and would call it “Farm Dairy”. 😂
But.... There's better cities that most tours would rather go to within a radius of Cincy
Especially when you have Swifties paying over $1500 for tix.
Happy Thanksgiving Brodie!
I lived in Cincinnati a long time (GO MUSKIES!!!) and know the current Riverfront Coliseum (forget corporate name) all too well. It's just way too old. The college arenas at Xavier and UC are right-sized for campus, but won't or can't get the bigger shows. Meanwhile, Louisville, Columbus, and Indianapolis all have new-ish arenas that have stayed modern these last 15-20 years. Outside of the WWE, the huge arena shows go elsewhere.
The current arena is in a great location. The riverfront has been transformed through The Banks project, and with Paycor getting major renovations, more action there. Build it on the water. And it will likely be a Louisville, Kansas City, and Omaha situation where there is a nice arena but no full-time tenants. But Cincinnati is really being held back in attracting top-tier shows due to a small, outdated, and honestly, shabby arena on prime real estate.
Manchester (England) built an area that won’t fit a basketball court or hockey rink. They built it in a square shape because the concert market’s so strong.
Happy Thanksgiving, Brody
Bring back the Cincinnati Royals
When the World Hockey Association folded and the NHL absorbed four teams, the Cincinnati Stingers were considered but the NHL opted for Hartford instead and Cincinnati has a long minor league hockey history.
I work at a multi pourpose arena with no sports teams we have over 200 events a year, 80%+ concerts.
Building a sports venue without a tenant. Welcome back Tropicana Field (1990-2024, 2024-)
Brodie, thankful for your videos!
The NHL has expressed interest in Cincinnati
HAPPY THANKSGIVING DAY TO YOU Brodie and yours...
Enjoyed the video Brody, would you ever explore the Quebec City arena situation if you haven’t already?
Tulsa has the BOK center. Similar size with just a minor league hockey and indoor football team. I attended a few concerts there when I lived in OKC, and it’s pretty nice.
I thought it odd that Cincinnati didn't have a legacy NBA team (that is, one that's been around for a while) since in the past it's been one of the largest and most important cities in the US, and it's not that far west. So I did some looking. After getting the Royals from Rochester, they had one for a while, then lost it to Kansas City (and Omaha, in a bit of historical weirdness). But because there were already Royals in Kansas City, they had to rename it. In one of those times when history stutters, they then lost the team to California, just like they had with the Athletics. That team now? The Sacramento Kings.
wild how some paths teams have made in the life of the team. Like the pistons used to be in ft wayne indiana and went to the nba championship 2x. Anderson Indiana had a NBA team in 1949-50 and went to the NBA semifinals and had won the NBL championship the year before. and that NBA simifinal was played against the Lakers... Minnesota Lakers.
@Dratchev241 and at one time the Minneapolis Lakers were the main rival of the Rochester Royals. :-)
Yes, we know how that goes in Seattle.
Yes they should do it. Even if it means never getting an NHL Team that can be the new home for the Cyclones, it could bring in an NBA Team, and having more concerts is always great. They have a venue for concerts down at the banks, but having more than one is always a great option. What would also benefit this area is if shops and restaurants are built around it to connect it to The Banks allowing for more foot traffic along the riverfront.
Cincinnati Cyclones drew considerably more when they played in Cincinnati Gardens. Riverfront Coliseum has had an awful aura about it since 11 people were killed before The Who concert on 12/3/79. A memorial plaque was placed at the Coliseum only three years ago. Note: the teens who died that day would have been in their early 60s now. It took 40+ years for the Coliseum's private ownership put up a memorial.
San Diego keeps talking about doing the same thing--but they are only shooting for a 16,000 seat arena (and the interested parties haven't said just what the seating capacities would be for various indoor sports). Either way, it would probably be too small for any visions of hosting a future NHL or NBA team (and yes--the NBA is a longer shot of the 2, since we've already lost 2 NBA teams).
That’s an interesting idea. I recall similar ideas when the local convention center was built to draw in larger conventions here in Portland many moons ago. But without a large hotel, we have still missed on major conventions and conferences.
Those special events are huge deals, and it makes a lot of sense to bring in those tourism dollars.
It’s rather ironic that this current stadium never hosted an NBA team. The Cincinnati Royals traded away their stars by 1970, and attendance suffered, so the team moved to Kansas City. Riverfront/Heritage opened up 4 seasons later.
I supposed if the ABA had survived another 4 seasons, another team might have played in Cincinnati (like the way Dallas, Houston, San Diego, Salt Lake City and New Orleans each had a couple of franchises off and in the late 60s- late 70s).
Cincinnati is rhe birthplace of professional sports. The Red Stockings started in 1869 as fhe first professional sports team in the world.
Toronto Argos 1875. Oldest baseball
team however is Cincy.
Oops 1869. You win
Roof estimate at Paycor seems crazy expensive, and I like outdoor stadiums for football regardless of the weather. However, if Cincy wants to draw say, the top musical acts in the world, they would need a football stadium. Rogers Centre is now a baseball only stadium, but Taylor Swift just finished selling out 6 shows in a row at 50,000+ per show. I believe she only plays stadiums (not arenas), and I suspect the same is true for Bruno Mars, Drake, The Weeknd, etc..
Fun Fact (maybe not so fun..?) Reason Louisville's arena is called the KFC Yum! Center is because the company that develops, operates, and franchises KFC / Taco Bell / Pizza Hut franchises is called "Yum! Brands" and is headquartered in Louisville. Whoever came up with the exclamation point idea is a marketing genius IMO. 😄
I would say it's about time they replaced the old Riverfront Coliseum, only hang up I think is wanting taxpayers to fork out 70% of the cost. taxpayers here in SW Ohio are already footing the bill for 2 stadiums in Cincy...both occupied by less than stellar teams. Happy Thanksgiving Brodie!
Unless city/county/state taxpayers are all in for funding 70% of the arena, this seems foolish. Copps Coliseum (now FirstOntario Centre) in Hamilton, T-Mobile Center in Kansas City, Videotron Centre in Quebec City, etc...all built without first securing a team. All still without a team. NBA will expand to Seattle and Vegas and stay at 32. Next NHL expansion will likely be Houston and Atlanta. Blue Jackets moving to Cincy is the only possibility I see, but I'm skeptical.
My cousin Wiley lives in Cincinnati, he said it's a huge hockey town.
I see Cincy’s dome/arena initiative as play to potentially take business from nearby Indianapolis, which has a preponderance of championship events.
Build the new arena...its old which raises concerns (ingree&egres) ,If one thing I' have seen with the Oakland Arena is that it attracts the lesser known concerts, family shows ,etc. because of WHY ? Theres a relatively new Chase Center right on the other side of the Bay that draws in all the name concerts and shows catch my drift Cincinnati? Maybe put in 19,000 seats
They are morons if they think it'll pay off. Arenas don't pay off WITH pro sports and concerts
You can have successful arenas without major sports teams
The Bengals’ stadium is good for attracting acts like Taylor Swift, but I think a lot of performers would struggle to fill it. On the other hand, an indoor arena with out an NHL or NBA team may have an easier time attracting acts, as there’s a lot more flexibility in the schedule, especially when you figure in the time that it takes to do a conversion between ice, court, or floor, and the unknowns of the playoff season.
Welcome to Kansas City circa 2007…. Don’t be duped. We were promised an NHL & NBA team & look how that wound up
So many of us have been told that KC is making money on the arena because there’s NO NBA or NHL team. I’ve heard there’s been a few years with losses, but generally, by not having an anchor tenant that demands most of the revenues while saddling the city with the costs, that the Sprint Center has turned out alright for KC. Are you disputing this?
1. Happy Thanksgiving 🍽 🍁🦃 Buddy
2. Maybe Cinn. Ohio trying for an NBA team ❓
Enjoy the Holiday 🥃🔥
Thou I live in Atlanta, & a Deep Braves fan. I have been to Reds Games & very positive atmosphere, from my personal experience
I think this is great for Cincinnati that they are willing to go it alone. The XL Center in Hartford was built as the Hartford Civic Center 50 years ago (same age as Heritage Bank Center). They are undergoing a massive back of house renovation and upgrade because they also have found that larger shows can't get into the building with the limited dock space of a 50 year old building. That said, the World Hockey Association (WHA), the American Hockey League (AHL) didn't fare well in Cincinnati and I don't think the Cyclones of the ECHL are faring a whole lot better. This makes it difficult for the NHL and NBA to give them a serious look.
You mean hockey hasn't fared well there? What about basketball teams?
I could see the Pelicans relocating there, that franchise is bleeding money.
Irishman I think KC would be a much more priority for the Pelicans to move to then Cincinnati. Ditto for Louisville or Tampa assuming Vegas and Seattle are guaranteed expansion spots.
The Cavs may not be thrilled about a 2nd team in Ohio. Cincinnati makes more sense for a “G” League team and affiliate for either the Pacers or Cavs.
Pelicans are gonna relocate to San Diego
New Orleans is already one of the smallest markets and has an NFL team in town. Add shrinking population dues to threat of rising sea levels. I think adding an NBA team to Cincinnati in the long run would stress it's ability to support four major sports. Same thing with KC. San Diego is an under served pro sports market right now since the Chargers left.
@@daltontf what about St. Louis?
NHL would be awesome. Great geographical rival for the Blue Jackets. NBA used to have the Royals in Cincy. Not sure where they went after.
Even if Cincinnati builds this and it doesn’t draw the NBA or NHL to the city, it’s still very much worth it. It’ll be similar to the T-Mobile Center in KC. That place is very busy with concerts, Big 12 basketball tournament every March, family shows, etc. every year despite not having a full-time tenant calling the place home. Cincinnati missed out on the 2016 RNC Convention to Cleveland and the 2022 NCAA Tournament 1st weekend to Indianapolis because their current arena is old and outdated. I’m sure the same could be said for concerts too. I think San Diego is also trying to build a new arena without the promise of an NBA or NHL franchise.
Quebec City built a sports arena hoping for an NHL team which hasn't happened. That arena is over 12 years old.
I think Toronto wants to build a venue just for concerts to avoid scheduling with Raptors and Maple Leafs. It kinda makes sense.
I am suprised Toronto does not have a smaller 5-10K arena built just for concerts and smaller sized business conventions.
In the NYC area which has 2 NBA and 3 NHL teams, besides the famous Madison Square Garden, there is Brooklyn/Barclays, USB/Belmont Park Arena on Long Island and Prudential Center in Newark. So NYC/Northern New Jersey has 3 arenas that can also accommodate concerts, award shows and conventions besides their bread & butter sports.
Toronto did that already. It is soon opening a large outdoor concert venue on what used to be a small airport.
@@MatthiaGryffine Downsview Park area?
@@americangiant1003 they do have Coca Cola Coliseum for other events. I've been to a few WWE house shows. Plus Toronto Marlies and I think the future WNBA team. But not just for concerts.
Videotron Centre opened in 2015. It’s not over 12 years old.
I do wanna say, if they go forward with this arena, it could kill any chance Louisville would get to have an nba team due to how close louisville and cincinnati are.
For me, I don't see the logic of building a sports arena of any size just to have it. Unless they have money to spend to attract a team or teams, like Utah.
Plus, adding a billion dollar roof to a 25 year old football stadium is ludicrous!
It should have been part of the original plan!
I read a while back that the Blue Jackets are starting the process of re-negotiating their lease at the arena in Columbus. I wonder how long until they use this new Cincinnati arena as leverage.
Columbus is too close for the NHL to expand to Cincy. I think Indy has a better shot if any city in the Midwest would get a team which won’t happen because Simon won’t let it. The NHL would be smart to look at Louisville because they don’t have any pro teams and KFC Yum! Center can fit a rink inside. Louisville is a very underrated market in my opinion.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family, Brodie. Another interesting video, but like anything else, in 2024, 2025, when you talk about the public paying 70% of the bill, that is a non-starter. You need a group, with deep pockets, a professional league ready to expand, the NCAA ready to host multiple championship events, multiple events and groups that want to tour in the city. Thanks for your work, here on TH-cam.
Indianapolis built a giant dome in the middle of town, a few years later the Colts moved in. Are there any NHL or NBA teams currently keeping an eye on the real estate market?
Think about this: if they build a new arena in Cincinnati, they can still find a use for the old one. In Kansas City, Kemper was repurposed as a giant rec center. In Houston, the former Summit became Joel Osteen's church building.
You can use it for a lot more than sports like concerts.
I don't think Cinci will get a ton of NCAA tournament games, and definitely not the men's Final Four, since that only goes in NFL domes now. With Dayton less than an hour away hosting the First Four every year does the NCAA want to then turn around and give a weekend to neighboring Cincinnati?
Is it a big enough market for an NBA or NHL team? It’s been a two team market forever and they are not talked about as a relocation or expansion market.
And arena is always a much better investment for a city than a football or baseball stadium.
Sports aren't the only things that draw people to arenas as the concert market is way bigger and more profitable
Brodie You should do a video on the new SAN ANTONIO SPURS entertainment district the city wants to build. They unveiled the plan last week
A building in a city is a good thing as far as conventions and concerts go.
However major pro tenants are a hassle.
If Kansas City could do it, so can Cincinnati
I could see NBA coming there and perhaps playing a few games in Louisville a season as well
Riverfront Arena is nice enough but dated. There is no point in building a new building a without a team to full 40 nights a year.
Of course I loved the cavernous Richfield Coliseum that could fit just short of 24,000 for a concert.
With all the homeless that we have in every state, you’d think they’d prioritize housing vs another arena. If the state gives any money for this, someone will lose their job. JMO
If the National Lacrosse League is going to be "the next major league," let them be the prime tenant till the other two indoor sports relocate or expand there. Let the 'Nati fans build their own fandom from the ground up.
Seating capacity is good but the concourses are VERY small. Access is poor. Like you said, footprint is quite small.
IMO you don’t do this project unless you have a guaranteed NBA or NHL tenant. And no chance of NHL with Columbus nearby and tiny chance of NBA.
You have to ask the question, can the state of Ohio support two NHL teams on opposite sides of state. If there was a NHL team in Cincinnati, they can draw fans from Northern Kentucky and become a regional team
@ Columbus is only 100 miles away. Maybe if a team was in Cleveland then a Cincy team could work.
Bring back the Stingers.
I always enjoy the Cincinnati Open. That stadium is owned by Emma Navarro's billionaire father.
this maybe why there rumors Cincinnati wants a NHL team if they get one great
Don’t forget about the AHL Cincinnati Cyclones
Bring back the Stingers!!!
NHL won’t ever exist in Cincinnati with Columbus right up the road!
The same could be said for the NBA, since Cincinnati is almost the same distance from Indianapolis. However, you have NFL teams in both Cincy and Indy, and MLS clubs in both Cincy and Columbus.
@ I agree about NBA but with NFL it’s more understandable because of the popularity and corporate sponsorship funds TV rights and of course fan interest
@@henryca03 I don't think the NFL would put up much of a fight if the Bengals wanted to relocate for that reason. Right now, there is no place really for them to go IMO.
The MLS is a different animal, I think the popularity soccer in America would benefit from teams in many major markets as possible. Fans in non-MLS markets will follow European teams or not follow soccer at all.
I like that design. It's very futuristic and yet retro 70s. Maybe they will get an NBA franchise again.
Does the arena in Arizona that evicted the Arizona Coyotes make more money without the team? I am sure that I read that somewhere, but open to being wrong.
Haha that doesn't usually end well
Stop building arenas for billionaires!!!
Who pays the other 30 percent?
Chili tax.
Cincinnati fc
Move the A's there lol
Quit building stadiums and arenas in downtown areas, it sucks
if it draws Taylor Swift, it is worth it.
This year, Taylor's boyfriend (and his brother) did a live show for their podcast at an arena in Cincinnati. In fairness, they're both U of Cincinnati alumni.