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Looked to me like the longsword person wasnt using his reach advantage. Of course the daggers will be more efficient up close but dagger person should not be surviving to get that close
also daggers with a hooked scaberd are very defensive even towards a weapon with a greater reach the wielder of the daggers just needs to be faster and more skilled
Daggers win easily at light contact sparring because there is no gravitas to the attacks. A swordsman with an authoritative, powerful fast strike aiming to cut down the opponent would be very difficult to stop with daggers, but not impossible.
The swordsman just waits to get "doubled" after hitting the opponent, the knife fighter is free to move after getting hit until they get a "double", strange, biased rules.
I train medieval fencing and have seen fights like these, longsword wins almost alwats unless the weilder of the daggers is VERY good. Many think longsword is hard to move but in fact it is very easy, you can be very fast swinging it and anyone rushining at you would be dead. Longswords are very dangerous, you need a buckler and a 1H sword to properly counter a longsword. Parrying with 2 daggers or 1H and dagger is very hard and confusing. Even in a battle between buckler+ 1H and 2 daggers, there is a chance the buckler+1H will win.
Daggers basically guarantee that everything is a double... In a fantasy setting, wouldn't a creature with self regeneration like a vampire favor those every single time then?
So, the fights are awesome, but can I just say that it's so cool to see these guys being a good sport to each other. It's so wholesome and sweet and I love it.
As a 89 lb female, the longsword is dauntingly heavy even though I'm in top shape. I'm constantly at a size disadvantage because there are no other women in this area or hobbits who want to swing a sword. Using 2 daggers with speed and agility could give someone like me the edge I need not to get killed in 1.3 seconds. This was a really fun exchange to watch.
I'm not a woman but I'm short for a man. The smaller you are the more reach gives you an advantage. Condition and train yourself to get used to the weight and it will feel like a second limb.
I would like to train with both longsword and dagger if that's allowed. Thanks for your advice. The sword currently outweighs my entire arm but I'm working on that. I also own a Hanoverian/paint mare I'm practicing with. Firing arrows and swinging a wooden longsword from the saddle. She balked a bit at first but now she seems to enjoy it because it's something new and totally AWESOME.
The issue is that it's highly unrepresentative of reality due to the lack of follow-through. In reality a dagger is simply not strong or heavy enough to stop a good swing from a 2h sword. It would be batted away and the guy rushing it would loose a hand, a head or both.
Batted away by what? If I rush in at you suddenly and you have a two handed sword you’re A. Not going to be fast enough to hit me before I get in and B. Not going to be able to hit me when I AM in. Once you get close enough there’s absolutely nothing a sword can do. I imagine daggers would be a pretty good dueling weapon if you use their strengths.
I've seen dozens of street fights. I've seen a lot of people try to fight someone with a machete. I've never seen anyone chop off someone's head or hands, are you saying a sword is better at cutting than a machete?
@@MightyMike-sg8iq actually yes, swords are much better at cutting, its what make them swords. They are engineered for cutting. Machete on the other hand are designed to chop, not cut. Its edge is much thicker and closer to an axe's.
Excellent video, I rather liked that on the final exchange, the long sworder used his weapon's advantages (reach/power) to keep him at bay and then go for the kill blow. I came into it underestimating the daggers, thinking this would be a joke. What a neat experiment it turned out to be!
It was very exciting for a hobbit like me. I just started with the long sword but I'm thinking I should diversify and carry a dagger in a back scabbard too. I use the same strategy while bow hunting. I'm just too small to build up enough draw strength for a lethal shot at range. So I have to get in close and shoot him right in the juice box and then climb a tree just in case Mr. Elk has some life left in him and tries to run me through with his rack in a fit of justifiable rage.
If the spear is a long range weapon and the sword is a medium range weapon, how would you tackle an opponent who has a short range weapon like a dagger?
jamesphotography.co.uk I thought the bigger challenge was how the one with shorter reach can beat the one with longer reach. With a reach advantage, one can keep the opponent at bay, threatening him/her while maintaining a fair distance.
Use wide, rapid swings in succession to keep him on the defense and at a safe distance, then go in for an opportunity. I was hoping this would happen and it seems it did on the final exchange!
yep, but the thing that always goes wrong is the assumption that the weapon has no close range tactics or counters to this stuff. Indeed, that's what we're not seeing .To be fair, we haven't used swords in so long people just don't know how to fight with them, anymore.
If the person with longsword attacks just once and then basically keep standing while the person with daggers can and does move after getting stabbed then obviously it will always be double. Just my personal opinion, no offence intended.
The duo daggers isn't really historical but it still looked fun anyway! And for anyone complaining about the longsword practitioners, it's harder than it looks.
This is why dual wielders are so dangerous, when using a single weapon like a long sword once you make a committed attack its very difficult to disengage once the opponent blocks or parries with one weapon and then closes on you with the other, that halfswording is definitely the way to go in that situation, especially if you can hook the other guy with a quillion and turn him to the side and get on the outside of his weapon.
The problem is that people think you block like that. The long sword guy had so many wins if he just followed through instead of stopping: it's a cutting weapon, not a club. It's power doesn't stop because it's momentum has. And if we're to see them as full-plate armored, then the sword is the wrong weapon to be using. And why is the center of mass always the target?
Daggers are a close range weapon. Reach advantage to the sword but if the dagger weilder is smart enough to move in close fast enough this is negated. The fights are also too one demensional. Use feet, fists, pommel, elbows for strikes also.
Karl Tanner from game of Thrones style! Good video, though the sword guy should have led with thrust point out full arm's length every time. There's a reason this style wasn't prevalent though, opponents of equal skill with a long sword vs daggers would see long sword winning 9 out of 10 times, if daggers did win, great chance of a life threatening cut during the close.
The last encounter showed how its done given the space, just use proper footing to keep the opponent out of reach to be effective and strike him with reach advantage. Without footwork and spacing as foundation everything else is just rubbish.
Dagger relies on feinting and using quick “rushes” after failed strikes from the opponent... Putting yourself into position to land the kill... Some lateral movement and feints would have really helped this chap become even more successful... Trench daggers are lethal...
so is not possible?...oh man that gave me anxiety if a dagger can't go against a sword it Wouldn't go against a random stick....better i learn how to fight with a stick
It's because it's HEMA and they're not allowed to hit hard. If a guy with a longsword throws a serious cut at you you are not going to be able to just static block it with a dagger. This should be a stupid easy matchup for the sword.
Depends on the club, at my club I allow full swings, and yes you are right, I get my guards blown through all the time when i use a smaller sword vs a longsword. Even a sabre, check the guard breaks in sparring matches on my channel. We allow 100% full contact.
@@cadethumann8605 It is possible, but it is difficult to pull off at full speed, on paper it is ideal but there's a lot of factors that could make it all go wrong, the main one is faint's/bluffs and footwork. The longer weapon fighter doesn't really have much to lose fighting at his measure, he can just chain attacks and force you to make a mistake in a safe distance. The fighter witht he small dagger is fighting under pressure with everything to lose, he has to close the gap and force his way through a danger zone. Count yourself lucky if you make it to a measure where you can even land a hit while remaining unharmed.
@@londiniumarmoury7037 One scenario I am wondering about is the defense scenario before one can get a safe distance to draw a sword. In the scenario I wonder about, a swordsman is walking around and the suddenly, a rogue swordsman attacks him up close. Swordsman A only has time to draw a parrying dagger to deflect until he gets to a safe distance to draw his sword. Another thing that has me wondering are the varying types of daggers (some have wider blades for shock absorbing, some have crossguards, and other things). The daggers I keep seeing being used in sparring lack guards and the blades are thin. Not to mention, people tend to only use the reverse grip instead of forward.
@@cadethumann8605 I figure you are writing another scene, hope it's going well. I think if you armed the guy with a parrying dagger it would be more realistic, parrying daggers are designed to trap and block sword attacks. They are the ones with the long curved crossguards shaped like Sai. He could draw a parrying dagger and trap the sword in his crossguard by twisting his wrist after the stike lands, trapping the sword in his dagger guard, then leap back and draw his own sword after the attacker pulls back and releases his blade. The daggers you are probably seeing in HEMA sparring without crossguards are Rondel daggers, with small round discs above the hilt. Those are normally not wide because they lack cutting capacity and are mainly used for stabbing thrusts through armour gaps. In the Italian sources like Fiore, you see a lot of plays and guards where facing an opponent with a longer weapon (Sword or spear) they hold them in reverse grip instead of forward grip. Because they are not really attempting to fence Vs a longer weapon with those daggers, they are trying to initiate grappling, and only use a single deflection or warding defense before trying to take them down with grappling to the ground.
Most "Double" are not very fair, in a lot of those "Double" , The sword guy hit the dragger guy first, But the dragger guy did not stop, still keep rushing into close range and stabbed the sword guy, which is not possible in real fight, by the moment he was cut by the sword, he will be immediately stopped by heavy injury, no chance to keep rushing and create a "Double" situation.
Very possible many real life fights end in 2 graves. You may disable an arm or stab them in the gut yet many cases ppl do not immediately die. Also they looked to be counting the arms to have gauntlets... If so many arm hits are useless.
In that one (th-cam.com/video/74T6vjInps0/w-d-xo.html at 1:20 ) is the most credible way to handle it against a sword And that's this style I would use to fight with 2 rondle daggers. Left one point UP to stabb, right one ice grip to "catch/control" defensively the sword. and not like knives, it's way too risky as showed right here at the first round
Dagger builds are strong but mechanically easy, as to Swords in general have a broader build options and the longsword have also stances, which counter different DEX builds such as Daggers, but relaly it depends on experience: a skill match-up.
Swordsman was a complete noob. 1) he wasn't using advantages of long sword. 2) he let daggerman to come closer easily. 3) instead of stabbing he was just swinging his sword slowly.
if there isn't much historical info on double daggers then it may help to do a study in Chinese butterfly knives. despite different expression of technique most overlapping principles remain, and there is plenty of instructional videos out there. not a lot of quality education though. so you really gotta know how to recognize the principles.
@@jasonsanders8797 at the same time its good to look at the way certain people used duel dagger styles. most cultures had a hero who double wields. daggers are just a little less reach. I train with multiple arming and different types of long sword iv studied fencing(i suck at thrusting lol) im pretty amazing with my fluidity of movement with a katana but my favorite tools are the set of duel daggers my mom got made for me before she died. i also own a custom swiss saber style blade with "supposedly" "thousand" fold damascus hammer forged down through the tang and base. just beautiful and mean af . Im just trolling! but imagine a true 1000 fold damascus steel katana shape-ished rapier handled and spiked pommel lol.
Or follow through: he freezes when "blocked." It's a sharp weapon being simulated, not a hammer: it's power comes from moving at all, not from smacking. Blocking the sword should not be perceived as ending it's attack, but rather having kept it off you temporarily. The sword had kills ever damn time, but just didn't follow through. And, hell, one of the first things you learn in knife fighting arts is that you focus on the closest target, which is seldom the body.
these scenarios do not make sense. long sword against daggers. A longsword in a small room to test but ok. In the whole test it shows that both would lose sometimes dagger can block the long sword & counter attack sometimes not. Both are wounded both die well If the longsword hits the attacker with a cross strike on the neck / shoulder / arm area, then you do not run further and make some counter attacks as if nothing had happened. The longsword reach danger & by hit high damage The 2 daggers short reach distance problem, protect problem & high damage only by many rapid hits You can also see the longsword lead carefully attacking / defending where the dagger attacker is very energetic and aggresive. This example shows that it is very dangerous with 2 daggers to attack someone with a longsword.
There are so many possible scenarios we could throw at this match between “Daggers Vs Longsword”, the main things to take away from it are. 1, if you have a longsword use its length and reach advantage. 2, if you have daggers, slip, parry and move in as quickly as you can. As for actions on the battlefield taken in the heat of the moment high on adrenalin, injured or not who can tell.
The long sword users isn't using the reach to their advantage, cutting to the hand or shoulder would cleave off the arm of the opponent effectively "disarming" them. Or even cutting the leg of the attacker, once their tibia is broken their stance will break.
These are sportsmen competing, not determined warriors fighting. Any martial art where merely touching an opponent scores a point is just sport. Yes, something worthwhile can be learned...but there's something very real lacking in the practice. There's a skittishness in attacks (due to fear of opponent scoring a point) that can be detrimental overall... Long weapons are often in danger of being parried. If the swordsman gets attacked by surprise with a dagger, perhaps that's realistic... But when facing off from a distance like this, and the opponent with the daggers charges at the swordsman, the swordsman should have sword pulled back with tip pointing towards opponent...even flat of the blade can be supported by other hand to assist an unwavering hold. (Similar to shooting pool, but obviously you don't slide your blade against your bare hand!) When opponent lunges or charges, swordsman should then use reach advantage to stab the attacker when attacker is closing in and in range. (Attacker has much less chance to block or parry). If skewered opponent is still charging and attacking, result may be mutual killings... I would hope that as the swordsman, I'd have the presence of mind to let go of my sword after the penetration and attempt to protect my vital spots with arms and scrunching. (Better to get cut up rather than mortally wounded) (Aren't armchair bouts the best? I just won the fight with no risk or experience! 😜)
No dagger is going to block any sword strike if the sword guy would put some effort into it. This just looks like technique training for dagger yes? Put it up in a tournament then see what happens.
A dagger wouldn't be able to block a solid cut from a longsword if they were to use a static block. If the person with the dagger were to redirect the sword with an active parry, though, it could work.
@@josephlucas4024 Sai were designed for this very purpose, along with the parrying dagger, whose name escapes me at the moment. Then you have the Swordbreaker, a dagger which historically did exactly what it says in its name. Honestly, a Sai or buckler in the offhand would be amazing for knocking the sword aside and getting in for quick jabs... although, at that point, your better off using a spear/javelin, like the Spartans did.
No offense meant to the swordsmen but this seems more like a case of experienced vs inexperienced or at the least aggressive vs passive. Both the longsword users freeze up after one attack and don't try very hard to make use of spacing. They let dagger man back them into a wall too easily. Personally I would move in to take the center of the arena first and attack, which would give me some room to retreat after the attack lands. Black jacket started to do that more toward the end. I also think the ref should call hold sooner. Dagger man gets to ignore the hit from the sword and do several attacks before they call it. An afterblow in in one tempo would be more fair. Just my two cents.
The problem with this is, the dagger man ALWAYS gets stabbed/slashed as he moves in to stab. So, in real life, would this happen? Would the dagger man WILLINGLY end his own life to stab the swordsman? I am not sure...
and not to freeze when your bladed weapon is "blocked." Long sword user has guaranteed kills while dagger user only has guaranteed lacerations. Body isn't the only target. If the dagger is coming down the center like that, there's no excuse.
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In the last "win" of the daggers, he got his arm cut, and LOST. And, this was clearly an unfair match between two very amateur people, with the sword wielder so amateur he didn't typically try at all.
Probably, how do you explain dressing up in restrictive clothing that makes it difficult to breath and blocks your vision and hearing. Then with sweat pouring into your eyes you walk up to another person wearing the same clothing and start hitting each other with long metal pointy things. :)
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Those two dudes kitted up in the background grappling in a circle with long swords were a lot of fun to watch too.
Looked to me like the longsword person wasnt using his reach advantage. Of course the daggers will be more efficient up close but dagger person should not be surviving to get that close
also daggers with a hooked scaberd are very defensive even towards a weapon with a greater reach the wielder of the daggers just needs to be faster and more skilled
Isn’t there a outwards guard? You can keep the dagger away with that and some footwork, can’t we?
He pushed the sword away with the first dagger. It completely nullified the longsword's ranged advantage.
@@bensweeney5878 rubbish. Just heavy cut you either break his wrist or cut off his arm.
Hej used the advantage but his sword was pushed away and held by the dagger
Summary -
Noob with dagger >> Noob with sword
Expert with sword >> expert with dagger
Daggers win easily at light contact sparring because there is no gravitas to the attacks.
A swordsman with an authoritative, powerful fast strike aiming to cut down the opponent would be very difficult to stop with daggers, but not impossible.
You would have to have heavy knifes to parry a sword w more polar mass, for sure
@@johnsmith4630he can always aim for your hands, and counter the parry by cutting your wrist
The swordsman just waits to get "doubled" after hitting the opponent, the knife fighter is free to move after getting hit until they get a "double", strange, biased rules.
Why is the Sword guy so relax? If he would be more agressive he would get lesser stabbed^^
Some people just have a more aggressive sparring style, the training partner with the daggers does well against both swords men.
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I train medieval fencing and have seen fights like these, longsword wins almost alwats unless the weilder of the daggers is VERY good. Many think longsword is hard to move but in fact it is very easy, you can be very fast swinging it and anyone rushining at you would be dead. Longswords are very dangerous, you need a buckler and a 1H sword to properly counter a longsword. Parrying with 2 daggers or 1H and dagger is very hard and confusing. Even in a battle between buckler+ 1H and 2 daggers, there is a chance the buckler+1H will win.
Daggers basically guarantee that everything is a double...
In a fantasy setting, wouldn't a creature with self regeneration like a vampire favor those every single time then?
Great demo.
The first dual wielder was a master. Well done.
So, the fights are awesome, but can I just say that it's so cool to see these guys being a good sport to each other. It's so wholesome and sweet and I love it.
Hi ChillSpider. I've trained at a lot of HEMA and Martial Arts clubs over the years and they have all been friendly and welcoming.
I feel kinda sad for the sword guy cause he just stood there while being stabbed
As a 89 lb female, the longsword is dauntingly heavy even though I'm in top shape. I'm constantly at a size disadvantage because there are no other women in this area or hobbits who want to swing a sword. Using 2 daggers with speed and agility could give someone like me the edge I need not to get killed in 1.3 seconds. This was a really fun exchange to watch.
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I'm not a woman but I'm short for a man. The smaller you are the more reach gives you an advantage. Condition and train yourself to get used to the weight and it will feel like a second limb.
I would like to train with both longsword and dagger if that's allowed. Thanks for your advice. The sword currently outweighs my entire arm but I'm working on that. I also own a Hanoverian/paint mare I'm practicing with. Firing arrows and swinging a wooden longsword from the saddle. She balked a bit at first but now she seems to enjoy it because it's something new and totally AWESOME.
That would be relative comparatively speaking. I also fly fish so going from an ultra light rod to a sword is noticeably far more cumbersome.
The issue is that it's highly unrepresentative of reality due to the lack of follow-through. In reality a dagger is simply not strong or heavy enough to stop a good swing from a 2h sword. It would be batted away and the guy rushing it would loose a hand, a head or both.
Batted away by what? If I rush in at you suddenly and you have a two handed sword you’re A. Not going to be fast enough to hit me before I get in and B. Not going to be able to hit me when I AM in. Once you get close enough there’s absolutely nothing a sword can do. I imagine daggers would be a pretty good dueling weapon if you use their strengths.
Agreed, but short swords like Gladius or Butterfly Swords have sufficient weight to match a double handed sword, because they are quite heavy
I've seen dozens of street fights. I've seen a lot of people try to fight someone with a machete. I've never seen anyone chop off someone's head or hands, are you saying a sword is better at cutting than a machete?
@@MightyMike-sg8iq actually yes, swords are much better at cutting, its what make them swords. They are engineered for cutting. Machete on the other hand are designed to chop, not cut. Its edge is much thicker and closer to an axe's.
@@okamidt3298 you are thinking in terms of video games. In real life, a longsword is a very fast and nimble weapon.
Excellent video, I rather liked that on the final exchange, the long sworder used his weapon's advantages (reach/power) to keep him at bay and then go for the kill blow.
I came into it underestimating the daggers, thinking this would be a joke. What a neat experiment it turned out to be!
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It was very exciting for a hobbit like me. I just started with the long sword but I'm thinking I should diversify and carry a dagger in a back scabbard too. I use the same strategy while bow hunting. I'm just too small to build up enough draw strength for a lethal shot at range. So I have to get in close and shoot him right in the juice box and then climb a tree just in case Mr. Elk has some life left in him and tries to run me through with his rack in a fit of justifiable rage.
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If the spear is a long range weapon and the sword is a medium range weapon, how would you tackle an opponent who has a short range weapon like a dagger?
jamesphotography.co.uk I thought the bigger challenge was how the one with shorter reach can beat the one with longer reach. With a reach advantage, one can keep the opponent at bay, threatening him/her while maintaining a fair distance.
There are so many possible scenarios to this match, you could endlessly play them all out like a game of “Noughts and Crosses” or “Tic Tac Toe”.
Use wide, rapid swings in succession to keep him on the defense and at a safe distance, then go in for an opportunity. I was hoping this would happen and it seems it did on the final exchange!
Use a whip. If he gets too close, a nice, heavy one handed sword
Throw a battle ax at him. End of fight.
dual wield daggers is just perfect for some people.
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Which works best two daggers or one?
Interesting, the same dynamic as longsword vs spear, the short weapon aims to get inside the long weapons guard
yep, but the thing that always goes wrong is the assumption that the weapon has no close range tactics or counters to this stuff. Indeed, that's what we're not seeing .To be fair, we haven't used swords in so long people just don't know how to fight with them, anymore.
If the person with longsword attacks just once and then basically keep standing while the person with daggers can and does move after getting stabbed then obviously it will always be double. Just my personal opinion, no offence intended.
The duo daggers isn't really historical but it still looked fun anyway! And for anyone complaining about the longsword practitioners, it's harder than it looks.
I think to make this work you gotta be more nimple and allso you gotta wait for your sword opponent to make a move and some sort of opening
This is why dual wielders are so dangerous, when using a single weapon like a long sword once you make a committed attack its very difficult to disengage once the opponent blocks or parries with one weapon and then closes on you with the other, that halfswording is definitely the way to go in that situation, especially if you can hook the other guy with a quillion and turn him to the side and get on the outside of his weapon.
The problem is that people think you block like that. The long sword guy had so many wins if he just followed through instead of stopping: it's a cutting weapon, not a club. It's power doesn't stop because it's momentum has. And if we're to see them as full-plate armored, then the sword is the wrong weapon to be using. And why is the center of mass always the target?
The half swording was a neat tact to take
One swing to the leg is all you need with the longsword.
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can't wait for the pistol vs melee weapons match
Do this in an open space area where the the man with the sword can swing as he pleases.
Daggers are a close range weapon. Reach advantage to the sword but if the dagger weilder is smart enough to move in close fast enough this is negated. The fights are also too one demensional. Use feet, fists, pommel, elbows for strikes also.
I guess a realistic version could be: Sword guy points sword at daggers guy, who lays down his weapons and surrenders, or runs away.
karl tanner the fuc***king legend from gin alley would be proud of the doble dagger fighter 😆
Karl Tanner from game of Thrones style! Good video, though the sword guy should have led with thrust point out full arm's length every time. There's a reason this style wasn't prevalent though, opponents of equal skill with a long sword vs daggers would see long sword winning 9 out of 10 times, if daggers did win, great chance of a life threatening cut during the close.
Awesome!
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I think we have the same drum sticks...
The last encounter showed how its done given the space, just use proper footing to keep the opponent out of reach to be effective and strike him with reach advantage.
Without footwork and spacing as foundation everything else is just rubbish.
Dagger relies on feinting and using quick “rushes” after failed strikes from the opponent...
Putting yourself into position to land the kill...
Some lateral movement and feints would have really helped this chap become even more successful...
Trench daggers are lethal...
Dagger guy doesn't stop when he's touched, looks like he just wants to show off like a child
Daggers are deadly for people who have a speed and precision advantage
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with daggers it would be helpful to have padded forearms
so is not possible?...oh man that gave me anxiety if a dagger can't go against a sword it Wouldn't go against a random stick....better i learn how to fight with a stick
It's because it's HEMA and they're not allowed to hit hard. If a guy with a longsword throws a serious cut at you you are not going to be able to just static block it with a dagger. This should be a stupid easy matchup for the sword.
Depends on the club, at my club I allow full swings, and yes you are right, I get my guards blown through all the time when i use a smaller sword vs a longsword. Even a sabre, check the guard breaks in sparring matches on my channel. We allow 100% full contact.
@@londiniumarmoury7037 Isn't it possible to deflect/divert heavier weapond with a smaller blade as opposed to hard blocking?
@@cadethumann8605 It is possible, but it is difficult to pull off at full speed, on paper it is ideal but there's a lot of factors that could make it all go wrong, the main one is faint's/bluffs and footwork. The longer weapon fighter doesn't really have much to lose fighting at his measure, he can just chain attacks and force you to make a mistake in a safe distance. The fighter witht he small dagger is fighting under pressure with everything to lose, he has to close the gap and force his way through a danger zone. Count yourself lucky if you make it to a measure where you can even land a hit while remaining unharmed.
@@londiniumarmoury7037 One scenario I am wondering about is the defense scenario before one can get a safe distance to draw a sword.
In the scenario I wonder about, a swordsman is walking around and the suddenly, a rogue swordsman attacks him up close. Swordsman A only has time to draw a parrying dagger to deflect until he gets to a safe distance to draw his sword.
Another thing that has me wondering are the varying types of daggers (some have wider blades for shock absorbing, some have crossguards, and other things). The daggers I keep seeing being used in sparring lack guards and the blades are thin. Not to mention, people tend to only use the reverse grip instead of forward.
@@cadethumann8605 I figure you are writing another scene, hope it's going well. I think if you armed the guy with a parrying dagger it would be more realistic, parrying daggers are designed to trap and block sword attacks. They are the ones with the long curved crossguards shaped like Sai. He could draw a parrying dagger and trap the sword in his crossguard by twisting his wrist after the stike lands, trapping the sword in his dagger guard, then leap back and draw his own sword after the attacker pulls back and releases his blade. The daggers you are probably seeing in HEMA sparring without crossguards are Rondel daggers, with small round discs above the hilt. Those are normally not wide because they lack cutting capacity and are mainly used for stabbing thrusts through armour gaps. In the Italian sources like Fiore, you see a lot of plays and guards where facing an opponent with a longer weapon (Sword or spear) they hold them in reverse grip instead of forward grip. Because they are not really attempting to fence Vs a longer weapon with those daggers, they are trying to initiate grappling, and only use a single deflection or warding defense before trying to take them down with grappling to the ground.
Most "Double" are not very fair, in a lot of those "Double" , The sword guy hit the dragger guy first, But the dragger guy did not stop, still keep rushing into close range and stabbed the sword guy, which is not possible in real fight, by the moment he was cut by the sword, he will be immediately stopped by heavy injury, no chance to keep rushing and create a "Double" situation.
Very possible many real life fights end in 2 graves.
You may disable an arm or stab them in the gut yet many cases ppl do not immediately die.
Also they looked to be counting the arms to have gauntlets...
If so many arm hits are useless.
In that one (th-cam.com/video/74T6vjInps0/w-d-xo.html at 1:20 ) is the most credible way to handle it against a sword
And that's this style I would use to fight with 2 rondle daggers. Left one point UP to stabb, right one ice grip to "catch/control" defensively the sword. and not like knives, it's way too risky as showed right here at the first round
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The longsword should be using it like a short spear
Dagger builds are strong but mechanically easy, as to Swords in general have a broader build options and the longsword have also stances, which counter different DEX builds such as Daggers, but relaly it depends on experience: a skill match-up.
Swordsman was a complete noob.
1) he wasn't using advantages of long sword.
2) he let daggerman to come closer easily.
3) instead of stabbing he was just swinging his sword slowly.
crossguard ??
All just good fun, if I was to re-shoot this video today things would be very different.
this looks like a very sloppy fight, did they teach themselves or are they part of a school?
Guys having fun testing daggers against longsword, I'm sure they would be interested to hear from anyone who would have good training advice.
if there isn't much historical info on double daggers then it may help to do a study in Chinese butterfly knives. despite different expression of technique most overlapping principles remain, and there is plenty of instructional videos out there. not a lot of quality education though. so you really gotta know how to recognize the principles.
@@jasonsanders8797 at the same time its good to look at the way certain people used duel dagger styles. most cultures had a hero who double wields. daggers are just a little less reach. I train with multiple arming and different types of long sword iv studied fencing(i suck at thrusting lol) im pretty amazing with my fluidity of movement with a katana but my favorite tools are the set of duel daggers my mom got made for me before she died. i also own a custom swiss saber style blade with "supposedly" "thousand" fold damascus hammer forged down through the tang and base. just beautiful and mean af . Im just trolling! but imagine a true 1000 fold damascus steel katana shape-ished rapier handled and spiked pommel lol.
All the sword guy had to do was keep the sword in front of him and lightning jab the other guy in the chest or face when he got close kendo style
Or follow through: he freezes when "blocked." It's a sharp weapon being simulated, not a hammer: it's power comes from moving at all, not from smacking. Blocking the sword should not be perceived as ending it's attack, but rather having kept it off you temporarily. The sword had kills ever damn time, but just didn't follow through. And, hell, one of the first things you learn in knife fighting arts is that you focus on the closest target, which is seldom the body.
these scenarios do not make sense. long sword against daggers.
A longsword in a small room to test but ok.
In the whole test it shows that both would lose sometimes dagger can block the long sword & counter attack sometimes not.
Both are wounded both die well
If the longsword hits the attacker with a cross strike on the neck / shoulder / arm area,
then you do not run further and make some counter attacks as if nothing had happened.
The longsword reach danger & by hit high damage
The 2 daggers short reach distance problem, protect problem & high damage only by many rapid hits
You can also see the longsword lead carefully attacking / defending
where the dagger attacker is very energetic and aggresive.
This example shows that it is very dangerous with 2 daggers to attack someone with a longsword.
visual land no one's going to read that xD
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then you know exactly which people are here, players want to play games X-D
There are so many possible scenarios we could throw at this match between “Daggers Vs Longsword”, the main things to take away from it are. 1, if you have a longsword use its length and reach advantage. 2, if you have daggers, slip, parry and move in as quickly as you can. As for actions on the battlefield taken in the heat of the moment high on adrenalin, injured or not who can tell.
The long sword users isn't using the reach to their advantage, cutting to the hand or shoulder would cleave off the arm of the opponent effectively "disarming" them. Or even cutting the leg of the attacker, once their tibia is broken their stance will break.
make them use crossguarded daggers next time
Hi Skreel the Barbarian. Hopefully some new HEMA videos in the New Year with more Daggers Vs other weapons.
@@jamesphotographycouk Hell yeah bro, I look forward to it
Whatever happened to battle axes? You can throw those things really easily. @@skreelthebarbarian
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Karl tanner vs Jon snow
These are sportsmen competing, not determined warriors fighting. Any martial art where merely touching an opponent scores a point is just sport. Yes, something worthwhile can be learned...but there's something very real lacking in the practice. There's a skittishness in attacks (due to fear of opponent scoring a point) that can be detrimental overall...
Long weapons are often in danger of being parried. If the swordsman gets attacked by surprise with a dagger, perhaps that's realistic...
But when facing off from a distance like this, and the opponent with the daggers charges at the swordsman, the swordsman should have sword pulled back with tip pointing towards opponent...even flat of the blade can be supported by other hand to assist an unwavering hold. (Similar to shooting pool, but obviously you don't slide your blade against your bare hand!) When opponent lunges or charges, swordsman should then use reach advantage to stab the attacker when attacker is closing in and in range. (Attacker has much less chance to block or parry).
If skewered opponent is still charging and attacking, result may be mutual killings... I would hope that as the swordsman, I'd have the presence of mind to let go of my sword after the penetration and attempt to protect my vital spots with arms and scrunching. (Better to get cut up rather than mortally wounded)
(Aren't armchair bouts the best? I just won the fight with no risk or experience! 😜)
...I just learned the term "half swording"...(thanks to another commenter). Soon I will be a much more convincing armchair warrior!
No dagger is going to block any sword strike if the sword guy would put some effort into it. This just looks like technique training for dagger yes? Put it up in a tournament then see what happens.
A dagger wouldn't be able to block a solid cut from a longsword if they were to use a static block. If the person with the dagger were to redirect the sword with an active parry, though, it could work.
@@josephlucas4024 Sai were designed for this very purpose, along with the parrying dagger, whose name escapes me at the moment. Then you have the Swordbreaker, a dagger which historically did exactly what it says in its name. Honestly, a Sai or buckler in the offhand would be amazing for knocking the sword aside and getting in for quick jabs... although, at that point, your better off using a spear/javelin, like the Spartans did.
No offense meant to the swordsmen but this seems more like a case of experienced vs inexperienced or at the least aggressive vs passive. Both the longsword users freeze up after one attack and don't try very hard to make use of spacing. They let dagger man back them into a wall too easily. Personally I would move in to take the center of the arena first and attack, which would give me some room to retreat after the attack lands. Black jacket started to do that more toward the end. I also think the ref should call hold sooner. Dagger man gets to ignore the hit from the sword and do several attacks before they call it. An afterblow in in one tempo would be more fair. Just my two cents.
Honestly a dagger is a weapon best used in a grapple or suprise attack. For open confrontation you have to have a lot more skill than your opponent.
Have you seen my other video in the HEMA playlist Daggers Vs Spear, YouTu.be/uSE9BxkB1rl
Sword guy sucks.
Just point the sword out & stab when he comes close, you don't even have to move.
Stupid.
The problem with this is, the dagger man ALWAYS gets stabbed/slashed as he moves in to stab. So, in real life, would this happen? Would the dagger man WILLINGLY end his own life to stab the swordsman? I am not sure...
Kamikaze
learn to move in something other than a strait line
and not to freeze when your bladed weapon is "blocked." Long sword user has guaranteed kills while dagger user only has guaranteed lacerations. Body isn't the only target. If the dagger is coming down the center like that, there's no excuse.
please dont put the gopro on your chest....dear god why
Using a GoPro in this way adds an interesting point of view and is more acceptable to the HEMA practitioner than taping the GoPro to the outside of his or her helmet. Have you seen the GoPro footage used in these videos, th-cam.com/video/rs9DkNplQBA/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/GcY57JgJR0M/w-d-xo.html
eh fair enough but still it just looks weird
This demonstration proved nothing :/
Jon Snow POW
Your Sword Versus My Dagger - Silverstein 🎶
give me a sword and I will make him 1000 piece
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Time to alt a rogue
Kali double sword
So much more mobile, it’s terrifying! 😂
Closes in real quick, then jabs the f off!
Yikes!
Dagger
In the last "win" of the daggers, he got his arm cut, and LOST.
And, this was clearly an unfair match between two very amateur people, with the sword wielder so amateur he didn't typically try at all.
We all have to start somewhere Jeannette, have you seen any of the other videos in the HEMA play list? Lots more HEMA related videos to come.
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Are you crazy?
Probably, how do you explain dressing up in restrictive clothing that makes it difficult to breath and blocks your vision and hearing. Then with sweat pouring into your eyes you walk up to another person wearing the same clothing and start hitting each other with long metal pointy things. :)
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What a joke