JEV's RANT on AIM ASSIST is PERFECT!
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As someone who switched to M&KB 4 months ago (don't play cod anymore) I 100% agree. Mouse and key is so much more fun and the skill expression with it can be so high.
This is my first cod on kbam. Started playing valorant last summer and decided I’m just going to stick to kbam. I was a 1.8 on controller I’m a 1.34 on kbam but I’m having fun relearning how to play cod and how to change my play style
I think COD is the only game that can be argued to an extent in terms of controller vs. KBAM. I think controller is just the better option in terms of warzone and cod just because close range gunfights are extremely difficult to win on a consistent basis. If you miss one single bullet in a close range gunfight on KBAM, you’re gonna lose to a good controller player. But I do agree that KBAM is more fun
@@TheTater_change your classes, use less optics, don’t worry as much about recoil and substitute it for range since the aim assist reaches very far now a days, makes gunfights easier for me to prioritize range over horizontal or vertical recoil, just look for overall “recoil control” on attachments, usually there’s quite a few options that come with extra range, I’ve only started on KBM for call of duty in 2019. I didn’t play the new MW2. But I am on MW3. I enjoy it for the most part, but honestly I’m getting tired of the morons that just sit in their spawns mounted on shit, but it is what it is, most people don’t know how to play the game, so they hide. As a KBM guy, I find smoke grenades the easiest shit to use, also try out the HoloTherm on the snipers, you can see the enemies outlines, but they cannot see your glare at all since it’s a holosight.
Definitely. It helps a lot to play something like CS or even PUBG. Then go back to Warzone. It's hilarious how much easier it is.
I switched on mw2019 like a year in and did pretty good, started on gunfight and playing shipment helped a lot with my accuracy. I'd consider myself pretty good
Jev and Marksman the only ones i listen to.
Same here
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Marksman is the Goat Jev he is idiot I don't like him
Facts
oh no 🤣
I remember during the early days of CoD and the beginning of Battlefield's growth on console, everyone understood playing on PC/KBM was for the people who were highly invested into gaming, and something many of us aspired to earn! Most of us were still on console at the time, but we'd still watch PC gameplay because of how fast and exciting it was, especially for Battlefield since we only had 30fps with virtually no aim-assist. To go from playing like that, to finally getting a PC and investing 10 years into myself and improving, to now seeing people spend 3000$ on a PC just to plug in a controller on CoD feels like we've forgotten the entire point of what we were doing.
nicely sad
This mindset is not entirely healthy. You also have to understand that many controller players wanted to switch to PC to play the same games at higher fps and better performance. ESPECIALLY games like fortnite, apex and cod.
consoles limit your hertz i have a 245hz monitor and my xbox series x limits it to 120hz and also there is no fps limit not all about the input for the player its about the performance coming from the hardware you use
@@jahsearrr7518not true considering these games weren’t even out except cod u had like titan fall and shii
@@S1mp1eMac what are you talking about, that’s why a lot of competitors switched to pc because it’s all around better in every aspect performance wise. If you were a pro, would you rather play on a console against other PC pros, or on a PC against other pc pros?
Playing Keyboard and Mouse is comparable to driving a stick shift. The experience is far more immersive like you are part of the rig to make things happen. It’s wonderful
If they gave aim assist to mouse and keyboard I think the majority of mnk players would stop playing. Why would you want to play a game that plays for you?
@@nameofthegame9664 mnk players would stop playing because mnk aim assist actually makes it harder to aim
Whatever helps you sleep at night bub
@@nameofthegame9664 plays for you is kind of a stretch my guy 😂
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Easiest solution is an option for input based matchmaking. Just give mouse and keyboard players something similar to crossplay for console. They enable it, they get it in mouse and keyboard lobbies.
Unfortunately this never works. The player base gets divided and kills queue times.
let me disable crossplay then. xbox technically can if youre fine with getting booted to the main menu after every match and clicking through 40 pop ups telling you you cant play. but that turns it into a job
This is dumb to say. There's so many ways to fix this issue, these devs are professionals that know how to fix it better than you or anyone else. The real problem is that Activision is clearly giving guidelines where this is done on purpose
@@Mandroid45 Cod has always been a controller game, if you think they will "fix" the broken rotational aim assist, you are delusional. Input based matchmaking is the closest thing they can do without a backlash from controller player base, which is like %90 or smth.
The problem is everyone has switched and the MKB population is very small and only consists of higher skilled players that won't switch even though they get spanked by robots aiming for kids...
It’s always nice to hear you be honest on how much money u made through different ventures, most creators try to underplay it. U deserve it man!
@@grayson7844not mutually exclusive
Due to the lack of a precision on a control stick. The only thing aim assist should do really is slowdown that's it since it's not easy to actually pull back at the right speed which is where the problem has always been with using a controller. Sticks just weren't designed with intention of being used in FPS games. They were made for things like flight.
Rotational aim assist really is the only real problem. Sometimes that really does the work for you and you can feel it. Other times it can screw you over, but more often than not it will help you. But no one needs that sort of hand holding where it tracks the enemies movements before either party can react.
The issue with this is Slowdown can become detrimental, if the target suddenly starts strafing to your left after strafing right you have the natural issue of sticks where you're still aiming right, slow right, slow left, then hard left.
Just Slowdown gives M&K an massive advantage. This is why Rotational exists, to remove that issue above and was fine when it was only controller. When Crossplay came into the picture Mouse and Controller can't co-exist.
Gamer grip cockring had me dead bro 😂
I tried those things in my controller and couldn't even move my sticks lol
@@T-Man_865 BRO 🤣🤣🤣
@@GreenSniper_YT yea man for real tho they are the control freak brand. That go under the analog sticks. But I literally couldn't move the sticks to run or aim so I took them off. I don't see how they help with aim. But yeah they would make a small cock ring 😂
The response to the aim assist nerf on The Finals speaks volumes lol
Yeah like their player count decreased after the update? Yeah
M&k feels awesome in the finals.
@tropwen56 because it's a lot easier to be better in that game with m&k, if I see another M&K light invisible sniper, I'm gonna feckin scream.
Wait what happened in the finals? I’ve only used kbnm in that game, never even tried it w roller, barely play the game and no idea why tbh, I love the game
@@FaZePlaysGames they massively nerfed AA. Its now one of if not the lowest AA game when it comes to big titles.
Dude, you guys are literally my top two favorite TH-camrs to watch and for you to be watching one of his videos and putting it on your channel is a dream ✨😭💪
I played on controller for 12 years and 2 years ago I made the switch to KBM and I couldn't believe the difference in skill ceiling. The way I see it is kind of like an automatic transmission vehicle VS manual transmission. Controller is very straight forward and easy to learn and handle like an automatic car, where as a manual takes time and is a fully raw human to machine experience that you HAVE to understand because it will not allow for any errors. One allows for more skill to be shown w years of practice, while the other is very limiting and DOES help the user to achieve the same goal.. playing the game.
Unless you're like me and play controller with no aim assist and actually got good xD
@@dewclips5683 why? You're just handicapping yourself for sportsmanship lmao
@@dewclips5683 yea...that doesnt make much sense
wdym? i don't need it, i do worse with it@@REFLEHX
@@dwdesign2873 Why would people handicap themselves by playing on M/KB? If you really care about skill ceiling, skill expression, improving your skills blah blah blah (all the nonsense M/KB people claim to care about). Then playing controller with no aim assist should be their wet dream, as that is the most effective way of achieving all those things.
I know you probably don't care, but I think Jev is just referring to gloves wide receivers wear. They do give better grip and are slightly sticky kinda. It's legal. So hes comparing players that use those to those who go out with raw hands
no...there was something entirely different in the 80s that only some used that was cheating. EVERYONE uses grippy gloves now....but not that stuff that was straight up instant glue
@@Shadow0fd3ath24but that tar was NOT what Jev was referring to so Marksman is wrong in his response to what Jev was comparing.
@@koncepttheking4071 like the pine tar they used to use in baseball too?
@@lmkilluminati yea Jev was talking about legal Gloves that the NFL allows. Marksman was talking about that pine tar.
@@koncepttheking4071 First of all, how tf do you know what he was referring to if he didn't specify? Sit tf down. You assuming he's referring to WR is no different than Marksman assuming he was referring to Stickem.
its also good when ur tracking ur enemies on dark areas where its super hard to track using ur eyes
Who’s here from the latest rant where people were hating on Jev on twitter
in classic cod's there was only ONE type of aim assist which was the default version of it up until MW19 where we were introduced to multiple aim assist types (focusing, precision, standard). In MW2 (2022) the "black ops" aim assist was added to the game while the others still existed. Even in today's most recent cod (MWIII) all of the aim assist types I mentioned are still available in game; each aim assist brings a different dynamic that is still effective. the issue isn't aim assist alone, its the variety of aim assist types you can choose from. the only way to patch aim assist is to go back to how classic cod's were, which is to have 1 type of aim assist which is the standard version.
You are mistaking Aim curves to Aim assist. Two different things entirely. No relation to eachother
@@santi_claws no I'm not, i know what I'm talking about
@@OnlyFloor No, you did mistake it.
Older cods had Aim Assist (The slowdown Bubble) but also had Rotational Assist (If you strafe left/right near an enemy it keeps you on target, typically when not ADS) This already proves you wrong.
The "different" Aim Assists you claim are just settings that influence how the intensity of the Assist works, which people optimize so they will end up roughly centered when the AA is full but if off center the AA will help them get on center. It is still the same aim assist.
@@Dragoonsoul7878 all of that is false info. I didn't mistake anything
It has only been a complaint since 2019 because that’s when cross play started. Warzone was the worst thing to happen to Call of Duty.
disagree. fortnite was the worst thing, beause of that we have nikki minaj and 21 savage running around
@@rxl3gend123😂
@@rxl3gend123 Good take. Fortnite made these companies realize how much profit there was in catering to the younger crowd. They couldn't give a shit how it affects it for everybody else.
Interested to see his, and your take on the subject. As a M&K player, I feel like a controller player needs that aim assist to not be put at a massive disadvantage.
My main game is Hunt:showdown, where a controller on PC doesn’t add aim assist, so a controller is hardly even viable. But it’s also a OSHS game and doesn’t have cross play.
Glad I stuck around. Good takes overall. I don’t play COD anymore so I wouldn’t have assumed controller is stronger, based on my experience with other games. Good for them though. It’s not a game I’d recommend people play to begin with, and every game is going to have its issues anyways.
The raw input on controller is so atrocious that losing Aim Assist would be the equivalent of losing one of your five senses and could actually kill COD for the console market as a whole just as both Jev and Mark said
@@biiyen8458 Yeah definitely. I think they both hit the nail on the head.
I think it’s funny that controller is stronger on one game and pc is going crazy over it
@@KillaZero Lol right? I’m not a fan of controller at all, but people are clearly forgetting CODs target audience. Like they said probably 90% is on console, what do you expect 🤦♂️
As someone who switched to MnK 2 years ago from Xbox to pc, it does feel more rewarding to play on mouse and keyboard than on controller. At first I was skeptical about but then I saw how much aim assist helps. It is insane. I’m now decent on MnK but man the difference is there.
It's such a massive leap from being good on controller to good on MNK . On roller you just worry about crosshair placement and the rest is done with LT/RT but on MNK even if your crosshair placement was good you still have to micro track when you ADS
ngl this is exactly why I only play hardcore now, the drastically lower ttk shifts emphasis from tracking (where RAA screws you over the most) to more initial accuracy and precision where It's infinitely more tippable when you die to controller (or any input tbh)
I had this same realization when I went back to apex after switching to kbm for months. Was so mind boggled when I saw just how much my aim assist was helping and how easy it was to just turn my brain off and let the game aim for me
lmaooo ok
Let’s see some clips bud
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
Lmao apex community was pushing for zero aim assist on controller and were convinced it was the right move. Controller would be almost unplayable without it with crossplay
@@Soupy_bass noone is or has pushed for no aim assist. Just a reduction. AA is meant to level the playing field not give an objective advantage and it is needed to level the playing field.
24:45 damn great explanation for me as a console player to understand everything more clearly. I haven't had the opportunity to play PC. This whole video as been great. Need more like this.
I haven’t played cod on controller since mw19 when I switched mid game to pc and I just plugged in my remote on mw2 at the time and was completely amazed at how it was. Granted I wasn’t good against the bots, because I haven’t picked up a controller in years, but the tracking I had with the sensitivity the game gave me was nuts
I have always been absolute DOG SHIT with my aim on controller, and always have been. I have been playing cod for a good 6-8 months on kbm, and I'm a lot of the times practicing my centering against bots in private matches. I struggle to hit a lot of the flick shots. I saw a few yt videos explaining how good aim assist on cod is so I tried it against the bots. Bruh I was hitting flicks that I couldn't hit on kbm after months of practice. I SUCK ON CONTROLLER, and all it took was one game of playing on controller for me to hit better flick shots.
Yeah it's a crazy change. I used to be top 500 on PS4 during Overwatch's peak (like season 2 & 3). I switched to M&KB and could barely even compete. It took a while, but I got really good with M&KB. Aiming is one thing, but movement inputs and movement techs feel great on keyboard once you're proficient. There's always room to improve too.
I don't know if I can recommend grinding to get to that point (it's objectively a waste of time), but it's really fun
I just wish they didn't force us to play with cross-play for console and PC.
You can still plug in a controller on pc lol
@@jesusblanco7657completely missing the point
@@bushmonster1702 consoles you can just turn it off lol so I don’t see the point
@@jesusblanco7657 because you're forced to play with console players
@@phelan8385 there you go , but even on pc if there was no crossplay people would still be able to use roller on pc
I agree I'm not afraid to be just another controller player. There is just no feeling like mkb. It's so engaging . When you drop a 5 on screen heady with a sniper on shipment and you hear the despair in there voice in voice chat as you steamroll there team knowing no robot haf any part in your kills feels good man
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I don't know neither of these 2 but man, both spitting facts. I love that larger Content Creators are talking about it and not only that but admitting to it being ridiculously overtuned rather than being delusional (like the casual player) and saying "nah, just talent bro get gud AA do nothin' "
As for Jev saying MnK are elitists, i do agree. But that mostly comes from "good players" who've put a lot of time into practice just to get sh&t on by a robot they stand no chance against because of physical limitations. There is nothing organic about AA that a human being can replicate, "git gud" is simply not possible. I never had particular interest in COD but in Apex, its all about using brain, game sense, positioning, strafing even if you have good aim. You just don't run and ego challenge 4-3 Linear players expecting you'd win the engagement, you outposition your opponent and deal damage first so you can have some advantage.
Frankly, i can't even imagine how MnK must feel playing COD where everything is much closer range, there seem to be tons of "ratting"/surprising spots. It sounds like nothing but torture.
As for Jevs question "how much of a nerf is enough?" : A nerf where you can't tell whether you died to a real player or the game. In most games that do have AA atm, you can tell 100% of the time what input you died to. Let controller miss some shots, make it more organic.
For some reason I just love this guys videos. Watching em play. Hearing em discuss the game. The way he understands the game. GOAT fasho.
My win loss is so terrible in this game 😂 I gotta crunch shipment if I wanna unlock anything with the time I have, and the amount of games I join mid game to the enemy team having sentry turrets/helis/rgl/spamming lmgs and camping, covering almost the entire map and spawns is insane. And it doesn’t help that every time you spawn you have to YY or let a animation play out before you can even fight back.
That right there is the terror of sbmm/eomm
This year's cod is the worse I've played sbmm wise. Prolly my favorite cod that released in years but every match I play is down to the wire maybe 10 point difference and it's ridiculous. Every lobby feels like I'm in ranked now
Everytime I hear Marksman talk about the average .7-.9 kd I feel so much better. I always think I'm ass with my 1.22 kd but being reminded what the average kd is makes me feel better lol.
Same I have a 1.31 kd and I'm just average at the game. I don't see how the average is below a 1 kd.
I’m a 1.40 I always thought I was average too lol
I’m pretty sure the average player isn’t watching videos about cod on TH-cam.
Everything below 2kd is bot level.. mp is dead so nobody cares about kd
I had a 3 kd 10 years ago but in the thick sbmm era it’s just 1.2. Shows how different it is now.
I play mouse and keyboard because the skill cap for it seems to be infinite and it feels really good to see myself progressively getting better. Also im not a couch gamer anymore so playing with a controller at my desk feels weird lol.
i still feel this way when i play diablo 4 cause i play it with controller. its so weird and ive been a desktop andy for like 3 years now lol
I hear that. I'm married and a dad, I play on the TV with a
Controller on my xbox and it would feel so weird, and probably less relaxing to use kbm and have a table or whatever in front of me. I get some people wanna be the "best", I was very good when the OG versions of these games released and played every day for hours. Now I'm likely to get 5 hours a week and I'm playing to decompress not to get sweaty.
It's honestly too bad there will never be a game where social is fun and carefree and ranked is for sweats because people always use social to "Stomp" and that's why sbmm is so bad now.
All these debates about aim assist are so plagued with controller players making bad faith arguments, completely not understanding the issues, or just being rude and calling mnk players names or saying "skill issue" or whatever. it just makes them look so bad, imo. They also repeat the same talking points that may have some truth to them, but over-exaggerate it to the max (thumb vs whole arm thing). I guarantee most people haven't played on both inputs and their opinions are just handed to them from Reddit/Twitter. I've played apex on mnk, roller, and roller with aa turned off and my conclusion is that aa being as strong as it is ruins the game. It completely flatlines the skill gap for roller players, makes the pro scene a joke, and makes the game almost unplayable if you're an above average (but not insanely good) mnk player.
I rarely see the mnk players making these bad faith arguments and acting a fool. Maybe some call it aimbot but that's about it. They generally just say what aa is doing mechanically that is OP and why it shouldn't be as strong as it is.
To me, it seems like a lot of controller players are being selfish and just don't want to be 'nerfed' and don't care that its ruining the game for everyone, controller player or mnk player.
22:20 preach lol
Just segregate the inputs
Ok.... as a KBM player I have to say what @ImMarksman is saying here is absolutely spot on. for an average player like me its impossible to play the game almost. Controller players , as said , assume we are just really bad but the truth is regardless if your good or bad you are hugely disadvantaged from the get go. one massive thing I completely DISAGREE with in Jev's video is his reasoning why KBM players don't want to go to controller is they wont feel special or something like that. That is absurd, I would totally go to Controller in a heart beat but the issue for me is simple, I JUST NEVER EVER used controller for anything other than the odd driving game. I have ALWAYS been on KBM from the start and controllers just feel totally alien to me. for me its like playing on console for the first time, its practically impossible, it has nothing to do with " Not feeling special !" , I'm pretty sure others are the same. Go watch JKucci's TH-cam and tell me how as a KBM player I have an advantage over him because he's on controller!! its just simply not the case. I don't want Aim assist removed or hate controller players , I just want the game to be consistent for all of us. I spent my money on MWIII etc like everyone else did but its so one sided as is Warzone, its unreal.
Also, lots of great points Marksman. We were on controller before there was such thing as aim assist. Then they figured out if they could give toddlers aim, they could shovel absolute shit on irresponsible parents who had little electronic boxes babysit their kids .... BOOM... profit. And the rest is dark practices history.
what are you talking about, aim assist has always been a thing, its just stronger in recent cods
@@sammyperez6547 you have obviously never played d-pad era shooters. Pixel perfect aim required, or you missed. Also no auto centering, and no rapid fire meaning you had to "Press A" for every shot on your single fire weapons and the only weapons that used an autofire were actual fully automatic weapons. Shooters have existed much longer than since "Call Of DooDoo" was put on console and fed to toddlers with aim assist as a way to get into their parents wallets.
I play controller and I had my aim assist switched to one of the other options for a while on accident and I couldn't figure out how literally everyone had better aim than me until I swapped the aim assist over to default, that shit is so strong its like the hand of God is guiding you to the bad guys
wish ppl would see this and stop down playing aa, it can be way too much, how is someone on mnk supposed to compete, like you have to be well rested,eaten right all day, no caffeine, peak health to be consistent on mnk, a little shaking/jittering and your aim is all over, meanwhile on controller I can play on 1 hr of sleep, no food, 2 energy drinks and my aim takes no hit, its too much.
But also is really fun to play with AA off once you get gud on controller
Everyone online seems to recommend black ops. Will give default a go 👌🏻
I play without aim assist it's so much better
@@19ryuusei The only time it's a problem is when it slows down through objects
I think every good controller player would prefer it gets a nerf. A wider skill gap is always better imo.
Aim assist also reduces the skill gap on console overall. Someone who may not understand the technique of slide cancelling to a corner/wall peek, drop shot, jump shot, or how to rotate/anticipate these janky spawns could consistently finish multiplayer games with similar stats because they solely have decent reaction time. SBMM aside, you used to be able to SLAM lobbies if you were the more skilled/aware player, even without all the new movement tech.
Note: I’m a lifetime console player, but I’ve got a PC and have played some apex and cod just to try it out. It’s so much more rewarding to play well, and will always feel more difficult to me.
Here are 4 solutions. Activision can choose one of them and implement it in the game so that everyone is happy:
- Nerf controller AA
-Game does not allow you to switch inputs while searching for a match, take advantage of this and allow kbm players to enable a setting, so that they can only get matched with kbm players
-Reduce the TTK. It is impossible for a kbm player to stay consistent throughout the entire process of getting a kill. Losing a couple of shots is only normal, and when comparing that to a controller that offers improved tracking stability, the gunfights are being easily lost by kbm.
-Allow AA for kbm players. Although I am not a huge fan of it due to the fact that, going into other games without AA is going to feel way too different, it will at least allow people, who'd like to watch the issue getting mitigated, a feeling of balance.
Great video but I think a lot of the issues with this topic stem from language and tone. When you say things like “you don’t want to loose to a literal robot because that what it is” you’re insulting every controller player who, I’m willing to bet, at the time of getting that kill or making that play, didn’t feel for a second that a robot did it for them. It’s an absurd and inflammatory statement. I do get kills where I know I shouldn’t have made that headshot or won that gunfight but for the most part it is not something you notice most of the time because it’s just normal. In many instances I find aim assist to be annoying in the amount it can pull you off a headshot or to an area you aren’t aimming for. Insurgency on ps5 is another game with no aim assist I’m fairly certain and I destroy in that game too. Acting as if every kill was because of aim assist and controllers never miss a shot just isn’t reality. Pc players also love to leave out the numerous other advantages they have in literally every other area of gaming. Crossplay with pc in multiplayer games should have never been done. It’s made it so console can’t just play with console because if you opt out you get an endless search for a game, even when games are brand new and it’s given pc players an excuse for why they die, every time they die. It will never go back to non crossplay because pc is such a minority. I guess we will all just have to hate each other forever 😂
May be an oddball here, built my first pc 5 years ago, was so happy with myself that every game I played, i said, "ohhhh this is gonna fun on mouse and keyboard". Ever since that day, i have never touched a controller becuase of how odd it feels to hold. Doesnt matter the game, cod, forza, rocket league, etc. I will never touch another controller again, its like i cant comprehend the imputs on them. Once I got comfortable on kbm, there was no going back. (I could care less about aim assist, I just play search with a sniper, aim assist dont matter when they get flicked back to Narnia (I copied and pasted this from my comment on jevs video)
Mnk is harder to learn then controller, and also takes more skill. The controller is easy to control but we can only control recoil with one thumb. Mnk players can use there entire forearm, which has more freedom and control to handle recoil.
Without aim assist for us controller players we would be demolished by the Mnk players.
That's what I tell everyone. The recoil control on mouse I heard was much easier. Not to mention the fast flicks to aim is easier..To me I would think controller having aim assist would be an even trade
No mouse player can ever get close to the level of aim assist, because aim assist has a reaction time of 0ms while the best pro player ever might have a reaction time of 150-160ms.
And reaction time is everything when it comes to tracking moving players, especially in close quarters.
To further your point at the 16:30 mark, I have played both M&K n controller. My problem is the movement, vs my shot I genuinely think my shot is better on M&K vs controller
Jev has it right on the nose. The problem isn't that aim assist exists, it's that it's too strong. Rotational aim assist reacts faster than any human being can possibly do EVER, and there are even times when the tracking is so good that people are saying it's best to switch to 'roller from MnK because it's just that much easier.
The other problem apart from reaction time is visibility. They have made it far harder to see with the center dot shaking off-center of the screen, way more aim sway, more visual recoil, more muzzle flash/smoke etc. Most of this does nothing to a controller player while you are basically guessing where your bullets are actually coming out from half the time on M&K. In the event that you do manage to land all your shots, there is a far higher chance you are hitting arms and legs, whereas a controller's aim assist basically sticks you to the chest, so you even often lose fights when you aren't missing.
Nah he didn’t hit shit on the head, he is another content creator crybaby of many. The issue is putting console players in pc lobbies. Gaming died when they put people who aim with their thumbs vs people who aim with their hand lmao
@@John_R_Jackson_III**aim w thumb w the help of a robot that has inhuman reaction time and tracking ability
Aim assist isn't that strong you people are just pssys
@@Sean-MacGuire Try playing both in a lobby where people have positive KDs before you speak. If you haven't played both (like most console fanboys) then you are talking out of your ass.
16:00 i can vouche for this ! i went from having around 1.7K/D nothing great but not horrible either. I switched to m&kb and i might have a .8KD. I will admit the massive amount of inputs threw me off at first, but once i learned the input i still managed to feel the massive difference!
I'm holding on for dear life to my 1.0 with mnk but I dont enjoy the game aiming for me so I'd rather have a 1.0 vs whatever I could get on controller
it took me over 3 years to get proficient on KBM, its one of the reasons i feel most people that try KBM tend to go back to controller
@@unseatedewe2393dude, fuck stats. Remember what these games were made for to begin within, FUN. Keep fun in the forefront of your mind when you play and the experience changes a bit.
I switched to kbam about 3 years ago as well and it's far more rewarding to have good games. My kd is at a .9 right now because of camos 😂 but it has definitely taken some time to actually master it and be able to play with it without thinking or telling myself where the 3 button is or left CTRL. It's just muscle memory now.
,1.7 kd is about 5 percent best players mate.
As a former pc player now on console im actually shocked that people aim more with left stick. I guess I’ve been missing out! In some situations I landed some shots that I would never land on pc but I didn’t make the connection with strafing . I guess imma improve that k/d soon 😆
It’s crazy and shows how broken and backwards it is.
Lmao bouta b a whole new player
@@bushmonster1702 😢
You arent improving, you are simply getting carried 😂
@@balllover52who cares
As a KBM player, I can't tell you how much I appreciate this video. I played on controller for a number of years so I understand the importance of AA and why it's needed. I just want to eliminate inhuman reactions and aim that rotational aim assist provides. By all means, keep the slowdown aim assist, it's necessary for controller.
For those of you not born yet, and before youtube even, there was a thriving PC e-sports community centered around CoD, CoD2, and lastly CoD4. It is a shame that the controller became a preference, which I link to the prevailing console culture in America as being solely responsible. We could have had a competitor to Counterstrike for years, but instead we have this skill-less pub stomp aim assist controller game (which is fun, but leaves much to be desired in terms of competitive play).
I played controller from cod4 to Ghosts then switched ever since. Recently plugged in a controller and I was shocked at just how much more it allows you to track and snap on heads compared to how it used to be. When not looking at people, I was all over the place, over aiming, underaiming, and looking straight down/up on accident lol. But when theres a player near my crosshair, I had an amount of tracking that would take years to develop on pc. It was insanely easy to use
There needs to be aim assist for controller to compete, but the line to determine when it's too much is hard to see. Only Activision has the data for who wins more engagements, but in the end like they said, it doesnt matter because mnk is a minority.
In the end mnk has ten games it’s stronger in for every one controller is stronger
@@KillaZero cool
@@KillaZero wtf are you on about?
Thank you for saying that. "You know youre a good player, you know you are losing to a robot". The struggle is real and console players just dont get it. Ive been exclusively playing M&K 20 years since the original COD release. I do not suck and feel robbed of my skill status!
This video was desperately needed. Thanks Jev and thanks Marksman for bringing this vid to my attention. Ive been PC since BF3, last game i played on controller/console full time was og Balck Ops on 360. I tried to switch back to controller on mw2 2022 and i gave up. The shots where nuts, I was a quick scoping fiend, but looked like a complete uncoordinated muppet when it came to movement. I was literally just left click right click. I'll stick to kbam from now on, after 20 years its all i know.
Gaming developers should make a cross-platform racing game that PC players and console players can all play together. If PC players choose not to use a controller or a wheel, and if they opt in to play with a mouse and keyboard, they should get brake assist, corner assist, and acceleration assist, and after the mouse and keyboard players start dominating the game, tell all the controller and wheel players that the assist actually hurts their ability to play the game and that controller players and wheel players just need to get better.
The Finals are the first voyagers to actually NERF aim assist. Yes, you heard correctly. Embark studios took on much of the community feedback and nerfed and outright eliminated aim assist in certain in game scenarios.
Thoughts before watching the video:
MW2019 did it well. however, aim assist should not work through destructible walls (more prevelent in vanguard) and not through smokes.
Thoughts after watching the video:
Aim assist has gotten too strong. I shouldnt be able to pick up a controller after years of not touching it (other than racing games) and be a 1.5 kd player. I had no clue that left stick aiming was superior and with controlFreaks, im sure i could easily be a 2kd+ like I am on pc. Most people who think aim assist is good have not played to be good on both inputs or are just really bad at controller. Aim assist should just go back to MW2019 levels. Where it was still stronger than pc (according to the lead warzone dev) but WAY more redeeming and fair than it is now.
Just watch 12:54 again. I garentee any pc player wouldnt be as smooth as a controller player.
Well said and factual- once you play KBM you get the perspective/the REALITY. If you're blinded by playing only controller.
I have been playing MnK for all of my time playing call of duty and basically any other game. Honestly i like the challenge except in warzone where you have to run controller or else you lose. I played controller for a week and i quit controller because it was so easy that i just couldn’t do it. As you said i felt so babysitted. Moved back after a week of playing. We need an option to turn off crossplay even if it sacrifices queue time.
i agree but youll still get the players that plug a controller into their pc
as a person who switched to MnK from console just before the pandemic i had played controller basically my whole life i had experience on mouse and keyboard but only with relatively easy to run games like half life or indie games but it took me nearly 2 years to get fully back to my normal skill level that i was on controller but im in the same boat as you right now controller doesnt feel as great as it did to me anymore the sheer fluidity and crazy flicks i can pull off on mnk are something id only dream off on a controller honestly
4:00 Starting off his ignorance strong. We had a large community in CoD4, ladder matches, tournaments, etc. That was actually the first game I ever joined a skill based (not just fun) clan, and I had been playing CS since 1.3
As a controller player that plays causally on cod I wouldn't mind a AA nerf because someone like me shouldn't be able to hop on and do as good as I do. The people that put in the time should most of the time out gun me in a fight.
Getting mapped by smgs has really bothered me. Makes it dumb when smgs out power ARs at distance because aim assist keeps enemies locked on you.
THIS x100
Funny how no one ranted about aim assisnt back when everyone was on consoles
It's not like PC players ask for cross play either...
@@loopppmnk player here for almost a decade and tbh, I strongly believe that gaming in general shouldn't be on pc as even games without AA on pc are infested with cheaters. Also, controller was always better for gaming except in the fps genre therefore it was a matter of time but either idc because I just play games these days.
@@aniefblack9506 dark souls, platformers and racing are quite Literally the only thing controllers are better at. FPS were undeniably ruled by MnK before the COD AA was added
I never knew how low the KBM/PC player pool over the whole game population was.. that's just insane to think about and it makes sense why I always feel like I'm battling RAA.
The only real choice for MNK FPS lovers is to avoid COD and find something else to play. They've shown they don't care about us it's time to walk away.
Yeah, or cheat. I did walk away. Didn't but MWIII, not gonna buy 2024 cod.
Adjust the damage guns do at max ranges and make aim assist not there at those distances. Guns need to stop having unlimited distances and still killing people. There is a lot more cheaters on pc too.
The crazy part is that this would almost 100% work to help warzone and even please the controller players, but Activision still won't do it because they don't wanna lose money, and I don't blame them, they are a company, money is priority number 1 for most
Alot of people doing it on console too look at the sales figures for the chronus, strikepack and modded controllers its alot higher than anyone ever talks about
I think nerfing aim assist would actually be beneficial for controller players too, it would widen the skill gap a bit
widen the skill gap + make their aim EVEN better, which just helps the AA. fine by me. better than the soft aimbot rn
How about everyone play against people of the same system 🤦♂️
Exactly
His point about mouse having a higher ceiling is legitimately wrong, you can't get that level of tracking where you hit basically are guaranteed to hit 100% of shots once you have locked onto an enemy, even if they are strafing/jumping. On PC you are relying on muscle memory, reaction time and just prediction to track, you can get 99% of the way there but never to the level aim assist. I genuinely do not believe it's possible for a human on mouse without aim assist to compete with the top cdl pros.
this should have been pinned. i no life this game. the centering with AA is just, wow. all chest shots DURING a jump is fucking insane when you look at the sway/correction needed on MnK
MnK PS5 player here. This is awesome video, and it is baffling to me that a lot of people won't accept these facts. MnK players simply want SOMEWHAT even playing field, nothing more. AA needs to be in the game, but adjusted to be somewhat humanlike. That's it.
I have always said the same.. And i will always say the same...
Aim assist NEEDS to be there..
But not to the point where is a damn right disadvantage to being on MnK....
Devs always say they want equality, and no unfair advantage... (hence why cheats get you banned)
So why is it allowed via Input device?!?!
Controller literally has a 7x advantage, Over MnK...
Aim assist isn't a problem it's cheaters using xim strike packs to get extra aim assist no recoil these clowns think it's just controllers with default aim assist they literally act like aim assist tracks and locks on and the dude said he plays fortnite at a pro level lmao fortnite what a joke 🤣
I mean crossplay shouldn’t have been a thing to begin with. There will never be a good balance between the two types. Just let console play together and leave PC to itself.
Once again y'all are arguing PC vs console instead of the actual issue with is Mnk vs controller. Controller is on PC too so cross play has nothing to do with it
I used a controller for over a decade on console and now use one on a nice PC so I don’t have to have a work computer and a console. Cross play isn’t the issue at all.
@@takoda100 yeah but there was absolutely no issue whatsoever until crossplay was introduced. I’ve been playing video games for years on console and never once heard of aim assist being broken until 2019
@@JesusLovesYou0000 yeah actually you're right I get what ur saying now BUT PC players can also use controller and the PC community is very very small compared to console so they would just kill PC cod again
2019 was the perfect balance. I watched videos on AA just to learn what it was and never Once complained about losing to it. MW2 came out and its all you see ppl bch about now.
It's crazy how on PC I remember joining an MW 2019 SnD lobby and if the whole enemy team was controller you just assumed it would be an easy win regardless of what class you use. Now on MW3 if the whole enemy team is on controller you know you're going to get sweated on with only meta weapons and knives.
Keyboard input on that game was actually so good. Idk what changed but after Cold War it has just been clunky and hard to be good
I initially played COD on controller for about 6-7 years before switching to KBM for the last 4-5 years. This year with MWIII I went back to controller, because the mouse input seemed off, and aim assist is so strong compared to what I remember.
the reason you feel it that much is just because u are not used to it you stop feeling it after 1 match
Just here to emphatically state that I do NOT want aim assist for my derpy mouse hand. I can't imagine how utterly dogshit I would be when I inevitably ditch MW3 and return to CS/Rust/any other FPS after a few hundred hours of vaguely waiving my mouse in the direction of bad guys for kills. As far as evening it up goes; could they just buff headshot damage and leave everything else as it is? Both groups are rewarded for taking the time to get better, while your average couch potato continues to have, largely, the same experience.
I also don't understand why console/controller players want their collective hands held to the current degree either - every straight gunfight just boils down to reaction times when aim is almost entirely taken care of for you.
Take Apex into comparison, the TTK is much longer than in COD and the mobility is 10x more complex. Over 90% of the top 500 pro players use controller because of how powerful the aim assist and how consistent their aim is in comparison to MnK.
its just sad to see people saying "you have a whole arm to aim" and don't know how much raw skill is required to play well in mnk
Marksman doesn't hate you for using controller but I do. I started playing with controller 10 days ago just to see what the hype was about and I'm now fully convinced m&k and controller players are playing two entirely different games.
I use kbm while only playing SnD with a 2.0+KD and 2.0 W/R. But I do think the majority of players should 100% play controller. The only reason I don't switch is because I come from others game like R6, Valorant, CS, and Fortnite while playing all of them at/near the top 0.1% and have confidence in my input even though it's not nearly as strong. Also playing on console from CoD 4-Bo3 has allowed me to understand how to correctly play CoD titles compared to tac shooters like the games I previously mentioned (Positioning, knowing where to pre aim, knowing how to hold lanes correctly, and playing off angles, they're extra important to abuse while using kbm vs controller). Also just enjoy playing kbm over controller :) Really enjoyed both of your point of views on the subject.
On the other day I read a post of a guy talking about the beginning of aim assist in Halo, where aim assist was basically just a reduction of ur sensitivity when aiming at a player. Honestly, I believe that that should be the norm, as a kbm player I just feel robbed when I die to controller sometimes...
I use both Mnk and controller and ive always said if your on controller close the distance to engage at xlose range and if im on Mnk I will create more distance then engage the enemy. Controller for close engagement and MnK distance is your friend. There is pros and cons with both. But controller is slightly easier in general
4:00 He has a point there. If someone isn't using a Welfare Thumb Day Care, they aren't taking it seriously. Because like the man child you are, you need cheats to win the game for you. And like most games, most adults don't take it so seriously that they need to cheat at it to win.
I think scuffs are the biggest waste of money, if you learn claw grip you won’t need any extra buttons
Man I miss playing United offensive with the boys, we didn't have to worry about built in aimbot then.
A year of experience gaming on keyboard and mouse versus somebody who never has is like facing recruit bots
I quit cod after mw2 2020 because of this.. several other factors but AA just killed my soul.. I got orion the first week with MnK & just felt like i was getting shit on by worse players all the time
The main issue in MW3 is not AA the issue is the gun sway and reticle centering even when strafing the gun sway is ridiculous sometimes you feel like there is a bloom. True gaming data explained the issue very well
It's a two pronged issue. All that stuff technically affects controller players as well, it's just that the aim assist is so strong it automatically counteracts most of the effects without the player even realizing they existed in the first place. Both need to be toned down, because if you did nerf AA then controller players would start getting doubly screwed by those mechanics, because they're even less equipped to counteract them manually.
Mnk is so broken when it comes to pin point aim and recoil reduction. Auto aim is moderately strong to match that MNK advantage
Let's not forget that it's mainly streamers or competitive warzone players that have brought this topic up. Would it be so spoken about it not for them?
I also think it feels so much stronger because we can adjust deadzone, responsive type and most.peoolr have access to lower input lag controllers like scuffs or elites etc etc
The biggest problem is the rotational strength in cqc. Situations where an mnk would look like a chicken with no head, aim assist is literally rotating the entire body in cqc for that tracking.
As a apex player who practices without aim assist when I come to cod I feel like I don’t even have to track most times
Now that the majority of PC players have moved onto MW3 from MW2 I am SLAYING in casual TDM lobbies against console players. I went from 1.05 and 1.25 kds per game to 12.5, 17.5 and 4.0 is the lowest I've gotten. TDM now is easy mode.
Rotational shouldn't be there whatsoever, or at the very least make it so it only follows behind the target and not on the target. Aim slowdown should still be there, that is essential to making sure controller is usable in twitch shooters like CoD.
Also Battlefield is very much a console game nowadays, they've run at 60fps since BF4 on PS4, and the past few BF games have had completely unusable mouse input on PC while controller remains fine.
04:00 I mean its been a while since the promod days in cod 4, but Activision just simply didnt capitalize on it.
I like the whole time you’re saying he wouldn’t be better on mouse and keyboard when you’re a literal god 🤣🤣
I find it funny how before warzone was added and people who never played cod started playing it nobody moaned about aim assist
so m&k main here, i played bo2 to mw 2019 on controller, had a 2kd on each game i finally got a pc in 2021 and made the switch to playing the with m&k, it took me a full year to get back to being good with the input, im still not top tier or anything but i can hold my own, in mw3 right now i have a 1.7kd and im still climbing. i do play controller here and there if i play warzone or i go a couple games doing badly just for a fresh mindset however i use mainly keyboard and mouse, i understand controller needs aim assist, however it 100% needs to be toned down a notch or 2, i feel as though i have to play perfectly and not miss even 1 shot to compete with most console players but they can just perfectly track me where ever i go just by slightly strafing which btw is not always easy to track on the mouse, but all in all I as a m&k main in terms of rank (just an example btw->) i have to be a diamond player to beat plat or gold players consistently, however if i go against another diamond console player i just cant compete or its like a 70-30 chance against me that i win the gunfight, which due to sbmm im going against my own skill most games meaning i have to either sweat my ass off to even kill 1 person or i just dont do well at all. Its annoying thinking i spend so much time improving myself, my aim, positioning, tracking, just to get beaten by a console player whose console automatically aims for them at such a high precision, again i dont think it should be taken out, but make it where they have to at least be more precise themselves for aim assist to work.
oh also i play mouse and keyboard over controller because i feel like its more smooth and i have more control over i want to do over controller, on controller i feel slow and delayed and i dont like that feeling, i still play controller sometimes but im more comfortable with mouse and keyboard even though i do have to do or be better to win gunfights, thats why i wont fully switch back to controller, not on fps games ever again
Best video ever. You have my respect.
Please listen to my thoughts.
1.) I'm an above average Kbm gamer who's always been top tier in every shooter I touch.
2.) I'm also above average playing shooters on controller.
3.) I went from above average to getting wrecked, then back to average after understanding why and playing around the disadvantages.
4.) I went through all the stages of misery to the point where I now just roll my eyes or scoff quietly when I clearly lost a fight I shouldn't because of Aim Assist.
5.) My friend had me play on his controller and the frist thing I thought was "I'm not doing anything, I have no business getting these kills."
6.) Here's why I would never switch to controller. It feels boring. I get no satisfaction from winning gunfights. I can't truly test or demonstrate my skills that I've honed for 20 plus years. KbM feels better to me control-wise. At least where responsiveness is concerned. I don't care about standing out or respresenting kbm or any of what the guy said. I just want a fair enough challenge and I feel as if artificially bumping average players up to our skill level after all our hard work is a slap in the face.
7.) I don't want them to remove crossplay between PC and console. Because a lot of my friends are on console and I want to play with them and also to have everyone be able to play on what they prefer.
8.) I believe the best thing would be better balancing aim assist. Unlike most, I strongly believe it can be done if tackled seriously enough.
9.) A blanket fix suggestion would be to reduce all aim assist functionality by 50%
A more specific and tuned suggestion I'd be willing to make in comments but I've typed enough. Thanks for reading.
Edit: I just thought of something absolutely hilarious. No amount of training and mastery on keyboard and mouse is gonna make you as good as the controller noobs. 😂
The biggest problem with MNK vs AA is that the visual clutter is awful to aim through. In apex theres so much muzzle flash, sparks, flares, dust and visual noise that you CAN'T keep eye on your target even if youre locked in and focused. Whereas with AA that stuff is irrelevant. AA will still track the target so long as they are within the rotational fov and it can be triggered by just reducing deadzone to the minimum to get constant AA.
MNK should never get AA in Halo the AA is so annoying on mnk because it turns off when the target it one shot and the sudden change in magnetism makes you overflick so much when it'd be better to have it off and just learn your range.
I watched some of murdashow Had a video on controller and mouse and keyboard about cross play, and he stated what really goes on
A couple of other points:
Some of us have been playing cod on m+k for over 20 years, of which the first 16 years was like 99.9% m+k vs m+k. Why would I want to switch to controller now? It has nothing to do with "elitism". It's just all I've ever played.
I disagree that the game wasn't popular on PC. With the exception of Blackout, there has always been a strong player base. You can still go back and find players in nearly every cod going all the way back to cod 1.
I think a lot of PC players either quit playing cod or switched to controller after the implementation of crossplay because of the AA. If they nerfed AA or separated the inputs, I think a lot of players would find back to m+k.
Also, the longer the ttk, the harder it is for m+k to compete. I do quite well in hardcore mode. But get absolutely slaughtered by aim assist in warzone
slide in close vs a controller player and you get beamed by 100% accuracy world class tracking, not a single shot missed, as his aim assist reacts in 0ms
@@edmond472 exactly. Only thing you can do is try to out "movement" them to break the AA
It's funny how moves that always worked on enemy mouse and keyboard players don't work against aim assisted players. Like strafing left right left right or jumping -the aim assist perfectly tracks that. But a mouse and keyboard player has human reaction time and the adjusting to the erratic movements will make them miss a few.
Against aim assisted players, you have to break the aim assist. In close range, I try to move as quickly to one side as possible. If they aren't very good. It will break the AA.
Or try to get something between you.. a wall... a vehicle... smoke. Keep moving in and out from cover. The AA only works if they're already tracking you. Gotta make them manually adjust, which is harder for them.
@@jamesmkoenig Yeah warzone especially with the higher ttk, it's a huge uphill battle
Man, as a MnK all I want is to taste the some rotational aim assist for us as well. Like a Weekend event where it is enabled for every input in the game :D That would be fun to see the tables turn.
I haven't played MW3 yet. Before I quit playing MW2, I rarely got mad about aim assist, unless it was just completely absurd. I absolutely RAGED over SBMM. I quit playing games for months because of SBMM.
I started playing on mouse and keyboard back in 2021. It took me about 3 months to get where I felt I was decent at it, as an input. I switched back to controller just for fun for a few days, after being on MnK for about a year, and I lost quite a bit of muscle memory. But it only took me a few matches to get the feel for it again, after not touching a controller for over a year.
When they took movement as a skill gap out of CoD, I started to not really have fun playing the game. Then SBMM got cranked up to 11 when MW2. That's what drove me over the edge.
I recently stared playing games again, and I made the switch to Fortnite. I haven't had this much fun playing a game in a long while. Although, I have been thinking about buying MW3 because they added slide canceling back into the game. Slide canceling drastically changes the way the game plays and feels.
2019 was when I started playing with an elite series 2 and no aim assist. Getting called a cheater with that was amazing.
EXACTLY the words Jev threw up, i said to so many, and they either disagreed, or still beleive, it should be 100% gone