Supporting Mimir's version of how Odin lost his eye, Odin not only pointedly removed Mimir's Left eye when imprisoning him (which would have been on his right side) as a sign that he'd not actually been fooled by his trick once he came off his high, he also casually chides one Asguardian that there better not be any mushrooms in the food when showing Atreus around Asgard the first time, implying he's so upset over the incident that he's banned mushrooms as a foodstuff in Asgard. Ironically, In this video Odin 'does' say one thing we can be mostly certain is the truth- that he's consumed with the need to know what comes next and a fear of there being nothing for him after his passing, which is exactly the fate that befalls him through his own actions.
who knows maybe athena still saves odin's soul or whatever that higher plane is there are specualtions that we will meet the meta of creation and the most ancient evil - demiurge there
@@Dubs22005Ahh I see we have a fellow student of Gnosticism here, I think that’d be a great place to end the story, a false god controlling everything. Who knows if they’ll do it but it would be fitting as that is what we as a humanity are likely facing according to many modern oracles
The fact that Atreus was able to read Greek, Chinese and Egyptian hieroglyphs is really impressive. Mimir wasn't kidding about his talent for languages. And to learn this much for being so young is more than extraordinary. I wanna believe that Atreus is Theuth, the Egyptian god of writing in the story Socrates knew from. Like I imagine him adopting this name while in Egypt.
well, he's already Loki, and Kratos is Farbauti from the myth about Loki's origin when he's already greek, so maybe but I don't think we would see Atreus in Egypt as a main character, one of the points GoWR had to cover for the norse saga to be in just two games, acording to Cory Balrog, is that Atreus had to leave, so maybe we have to wait a few more mythological sagas to see father and son having adventures again
@@puedenllamarmeDarkStar Never said I wanna see Egyptian myth. If anything, what I wanna see is a game solely focus on Atreus and I'd love to see him going to Chinese mythology and adopt the name Sun Wukong.
@@puedenllamarmeDarkStar If you're relying on the six animation Týr is doing, stop it. People immediately assume that was the case. Eric Williams said nothing about Týr hinting the next installment. All he said is that there was a reason why he does those animation. It could be story-related more than project-related. But that may not be the case either. So until Santa Monica themselves say something, best not assume. Because Kratos has already taught that in 2018.
@@Erricane I don't know where does that point of yours come from, but relax, still China is one of the most probable myths to be the next saga, and Týr has an army of statues in his temple, an obvious reference to Qin Shi Huang's Terracotta Army
Not really he lost his eye cup he was high, then looked through the crack in space. Keep in mind all Asgard gods we fight in the game have some form of healing. So if Odin had plucked out his own eye, like mimir said in god of war 2018, Odin's eye would be back by now.
"Power over reality." This is exactly why some ppl are perpetual liars. I had a friend who was just like this. Nothing malicious, but everything was a micro-lie, just to prop up his life. To be better than it actually was.
Exactly. GOW-Odin is the same as MCU-Thanos, every version of Athena and virtually every God ever. Like Mimir said, what matters to them is "being right". As in, fundamentally in the right about and intrinsically superior to everything in reality, no matter how many have to suffer and die for that to happen, no matter how much antithetical to common sense, morality and true wisdom. Causing countless tragedies and unimaginable suffering so they can convince themselves and everyone that they are RIGHT incarnate by destroying or subverting everything that contradicts them. It's the epitome of narcissism: enforcing one's solipisism as some kind of natural, unquestionable and inescapable cosmic law. The wet dream of every zealot dictator and wannabe-revolutionary, the mindset of people like Hitler, Stalin, the Kim Dynasty, the Chinese Communist Party, Pablo Escobar and Twitter.
Pathological liars... i have a frnd who i am close with... he lied little lies to maybe make himself look better or escape from teachers punishments and id back my boy up... so it rubbed off on me and i started lying little lies myself... one day i realized it was bad for me and stopped i still do some white lies here and there but the bigger lies have stopped... my frnd has also stopped but he doesnt have the extent of control i have... i find myself lying each day these days but its mostly to avoid annoyance which hopefully stops in the future
And after playing both games, Mimir was by no means exaggerating about the lengths Odin went to just to lie. "If he tells you the snow is white, he's lying."
Makes sense he’d lie about the eye. Pretty embarrassing for the mighty king of the Aesir to tell some young kid how he got tricked by a goat man into drinking from a well full of shroom water and gauged out his own eye while on a bad trip.
So mimir tricked Odin...well Odin trust mimir and mimir betrayed him right? That’s what it sounds like. Odin blamed mimir for an item being stolen from him as well and turns out it was brok and sindri...lol...are little kids playing GOW that they can’t put two and two together? Why do we feel bad that mimir was punished again?
@@thebluerock6048 because odin's a scumbag and you should feel bad about anybody being imprisoned within a tree for over a hundred years, that's an insane punishment for most things let alone tricking an evil god into drinking shroom water, it's insane you're actually even questioning that
@@banagherlinks100 Mimir told Odin that if he wanted a drink from the well he had to remove an eye, which he proceeded to do after being told this and then took a drink from it and saw visions, but it was really just water filled with mushrooms
@@dreademperor2094 no mimir told Odin the well water would give him visions and whatever odin saw convinced him he had to gouge out his eyes but mimir restrained him before he could remove his remaining eye and when odin sobered up mimir told him the eye was the price of the knowledge he got from the well
I like how both games have a story of a god getting high. Odin got high when Mimir tricked him in to trippin on shrooms, Freyr wanted to impress someone he liked but thought getting high while looking for bifrost light to impress said girl ended up with him unintentionally getting elves to worship him... and then leaving
I actually forgot about Mimir's account of how Odin lost his eye when Ragnarok came. Re-watching it with Odin's account of how it happened in mind makes it even funnier especially when Mimir's version is the more likely one.
I kind of wonder if it didn't even know he was there in the first place. Like, he was eavesdropping on a conversation between two higher beings (who didn't even notice him) through a crack in their kitchen wall. The reason he hasn't heard their voices again is because they've since moved their conversation to the living room.
I _hate_ that Odin seems so chill and calming to hang around when he talks with Atreus. He seems like such a wise and scholarly mentor around Atreus, and knowing that it's all just some lie to manipulate him just fills me with dread. I hate that it _works_ on me, honestly, and I almost don't wanna hate Odin even if he's a scumbag.
I’ve been listening to a bunch of theories about the tear. Some hint at Athena being in a higher state of being since she died selflessly. Notice how she’s green and so is the tear. Maybe the voice that spoke to Odin while he was sleeping was ATHENA
There are probably parallels between the rift, and the ideas of theosophy, similarly to the Monad and "Truth" in Fullmetal Alchemist. Odin wanted to see the truth, and as retribution it took his eye. It would tie into the theme of GoW nicely, in that the gods of all mythologies are corrupted by the same goal, power over their own fate.
The fact that the mask itself has inscriptions in greek automatically points this plot to athena, only she didn't reveal herself as such. Respecting to the loss of odin's eye, we aren't certain wich version is true, but i know for a fact that it wouldn't be the first time a greek deity accepts eyes as offerings.
I personally believe that Odin saw the Plot Hole; but his hesitation drove him to find resources that may allow him to potentially last longer in seeing the Tear. It was there that Mimir would offer the Shrooms.
@@stylishmusic4012 I really wish they would have planted more of a seed to show that for the sequels because I agree. And even if it's not the case I think it would be such a good tie in and way to continue the series. Athena manipulating Odin is genius.
Wait could it be remnants of the effects of Pandora's box? From a broken realm in greece. Magical RADIATION. I mean zeus got mad with but whiff, Odin too I guess?
@@stylishmusic4012 I don't think they'd tease Athena in the previous game and not do anything more with it. We know she's still around given the ending of GOW3. Manipulating people is her MO.
I had never heard these conversations between Atreus and Mimir. I had remembered Mimir's story but just thought it was a plot hole but it's much more satisfying knowing that the incongruency is due to Odin's lier nature.
@@adamsirin7249 omg thank you, I've been saying the very same thing But it seems the God Of War fanboys don't want to admit it. The gameplay stellar as usual but the story sucks. I like the characters and portrayal mostly, but damn the story is too inconsistent. I believe both sides are lying to make the other look bad.
@@isaiahgeorge906 so you're quicker to believe that, then by that logic Atreus is insane as well. Cause he saw knowledge in that tear in reality. So Odin was lying about that too?
I think Odin's story makes more sense... It doesnt look like a gouged out eye, rather a burned out one. Also why didnt it heal? He's a god, it should have healed right back if the reason for the trauma wasnt uniquely magical in nature that it would stop the eye from healing. Then again Mimir too doesnt seem to be lying. Both stories could coexist - first Odin trips on Mimir's mushrooms, sees visions and gouges out an eye, it heals, and then because of those visions he grows insane enough to try to look inside of the rift and that's when he loses his eye for good.
honestly through all the healing powers of gods I dont think weve ever seen a god actually grow back something once fully removed I think godly healing is really just human healing on a freaky fast scale cause humans can also regrow skin tissue and close wounds, given enough time and medicine, but cant actually restore any organs or limbs once removed even heimdall couldnt grow his arm back he just sort of sprouted a magic one as for why it looks burned and not gouged, they maybe cauterized the wound or something and whatever parts of his face got torn or cut was what healed, who knows butchea I dont think theres been a precedent for a god actually growing anything back that I can remember
Just because he's a god doesn't mean he can't sustain injuries. If he pulled his eye out it's gone for good just like Heimdall just couldn't regrow his arm
Possibly. But more than likely, he just didn’t want to admit to his mistake with the mushrooms. It’s been shown through a couple other instances that, when he has been tricked or fooled in some fashion, he’ll alter the history of his mistake into something else to cover it up
@@BoredOuttaMyMind He IS a god though, and a powerful one at that. I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t be able to heal and restore his eyeball if it was physically ripped out. Especially considering Tyr was able to regrow an entire arm after having it ripped off.
@@bendavidson1210 then again, Hermes wasn’t able to regrow his legs and Heimdall was only able to restore a bifrost version of his arm after Kratos blew it up so either Tyr has some knowledge of transplanting limbs (not surprising given his travels) or it’s a power specific to him
@@bendavidson1210 gods are creatures of circumstance, of actions having meaning. If odins eye had been lost to some accident, it’d have been easy to heal. But he GOUGED IT OUT HIMSELF. That is harder to heal, because it was something he did himself. Those changes take. Especially as he continued to blind himself to the true to see a vision he desired. A narrowing of sight. If he had actually listened to Atreus, I think he’d have been able to heal it in time.
more he likely didn't want to risk loki being able to use the rift without the mask. he knows from his "vision" he needs the mask, but if loki looks in and finds out all the information odin wants, well... then loki has no need to help him and will likely know odin's intent to betray him.
An interesting detail is that, in Mimir's story, he said he "managed to restrain him before he finished the job". So Odin may have actually lost his eye to this rift, which further reinforces the lesson about Odin - despite all his knowledge, he never actually learns. He literally nearly gouged out his own eye in a fit of mushroom induced madness, and yet he still didn't learn restraint, and still ended up losing that eye to yet another pursuit for knowledge.
Spitha is Greek, but why is that important ? Dionysus was the Greek god of theatre (masked theatre), wine (like the one influencing Thor), and accounts say he arrived in Greece as a foreigner. He is also a dying and rising god, who communicates the dead (Athena and Faye). This could all be related to him.
I think the real lesson is dont secretly give someone drugs, let them know ahead of time, otherwise you end up strapped to a former Greek god's backside while said former god ferries his son around the countryside like any good father
Imagine atreus knows the truth about odin loss his eye.. when odin show his loss eye to atreus, atreus already knows that he is lying.. and trying not to laugh
If so, it then begs the question why would Odin stop Atreus from looking into the rift. Odin wanted knowledge why wouldn't he want Atreus to look into the rift especially since at the end of the game he offered loki the mask to look into said rift.
@@charles9489 “why would Odin stop Atreus from looking into the rift” THANK YOU OMG. It’s like we’re surrounded by ignorance. Thank you so much these other comments are just so ughhhhhhhhhh
@@charles9489 Because if he let atreus look into the rift without the whole mask then he would've either died or hurt himself badly. That was literally the whole point of why Odin was looking for the pieces of the mask, so he could look into the rift without getting hurt or dying. At the end of the game, the mask was whole so yeah, odin was trying to egg Atreus to use it. There was some weird shit Odin was spouting at the end about how "only the champion of the Jotnar could look into the rift with the mask" which came out of nowhere which did give me an immersion breaking pause of "where did that come from? Was this said before?" but the question you're asking has an obvious answer.
Assuming both are true, I imagine Odin glimpsed at the rift and never felt the same, especially that eye. Then Mimir's shrooms pushed that experience back to the surface and he couldn't handle it. He could reasonably weave the narrative into correlating what he saw in that rift and the loss of his eye. But really what drove the actual eye-pulling-incident was Mimir's shrooms, so he also internally blames Mimir and takes one of his eyes as revenge.
Yeah it does. Mimir literally explained all of his involvement in enabling Odin, initially, but over time, due to his own guilty conscience, Mimir stopped enabling Odin and tried to contain him. Another thing about pathological liars, they'll often piece together two totally unrelated incidents and make it a coherent plot. Odin's obsession with the mask had absolutely nothing to do with the shroom tripping. But he figured he could use those stories together to make him look more sane.
I'm inclined to say he's actually telling the truth. Tyr regrew an arm. Not a stretch for Odin to regrow an eye. And I don't doubt Odin would use the incomplete mask to look into the crack, and that it would have consequences
I think the whole rift thing will be explored more in future GOW games. Maybe it’s the “Higher plane” to which Athena descended, something above all pantheons and all worlds.
My assumptions for the sequel to this game is that, whoever gave that mask to Odin, and whoever that voice was, will come back to see if they're plan succeeded. They'll be disappointed that the realms didn't succumb to darkness and destruction and that Odin died not fulfilling what they had planned for him. Whoever is behind the whole mess, clearly knew how obsessed Odin would become with the seeking of truth. They're probably a deity that surpasses Odin in both power and knowledge, who probably either wanted to conquer these realms or learn about them through subterfuge. Also, wether they surpassed Odin in power or not, it is a clever move to get rid of the most powerful deity in a subtle and hidden way while weakening in the process, even his kingdom was in shambles, the nine realms falling into disarray because of one man's obsession. Truly a clever move.
I believe Atreus is an avatar like figure so whenever the next game comes out Depending on if it’s heavy kratos gameplay or Atreus gameplay his rage form might change with location and his powers may tailor in reference to the gods in that area
Both stories are true. Odin gouged out his eye in front of Mimir, but it regenerated like Tyr's arm, then he looked into the crack and lost it forever because green magic is weird.
Mimir said Odin was NEVER fool by the mystic well trick. So why did Odin drink that water if it was useless? Also, it is possible that Odin lost an eye looking into that tear. Because he would have gotten his eye back if it was just torn out.
Fooled by the well enough to take a drink, but not fooled at all by Mimir's bullshittery afterwards telling him it was for some higher purpose he lost the eye.
People's sympathy comes from everyone being afraid of that yeah, but you must remember how that fear led him to treat lives as trash. Nothing, not even his family had worth to him if he didn't solve that mystery, so what could one expect from him if he had that answer? Would the existence of an afterlife ease his guilt, thinking all the suffering he caused wouldn't be the definitive end, maybe even find ways to manitupalte the way afterlife worked in his benefit? Or it would only drive him to an unhinged nihilist rampage where nothing matters because everything will end?
What if they are both telling the truth? What if the vision Odin had from the mushrooms about the All Truth is where he looked into it and even that was too much to bear. So he cut off his eye.
And then Odin says that Mimir never tricked him with those hallucinogenic mushrooms and let Mimir think his plan worked. Or was you think that was also a lie from Odin and just embarrassed that it did work and tore out his eye?
Personally, it would take a lot to mark a god permentally. SO I believe Odin's version of the story here. Also having lie about EVERYTHING is kinda boring. The best lies have truths in them.
Do you guys remember that freya bewitched him in to not saying bulders weakness mybe odin did the same he bewitched mimir to say this stuff to make odin a fool remember when he disguised himself as tyr he said to atreus that odin will only clues your mind maybe he did this so pepole underestimate him since his a manipulator. Sorry bad English
Joke: Odin peek into the riff that is actually a peep hole into Isis' bath house in Egypt Heaven. So Isis poke him in the eye, blinded him but not before he caught sight of the most wondrous of wisdom in Egypt.
No, it was not. Right focus, wrong question. What you should be asking is whose voice was it that told him of the mask? My best guess is it MIGHT have been Athena.
All that complaint about liars and their percieved power over reality by lying and Mimir puts Odin under his... using mystical cocktail of mushrooms. Ok then. Granted he was a prick so...
Still not as embarrassing as Nick Fury getting his eye scratched out by a cat. DON'T @ ME. They say it was really an alien? I don't care, it was a cat.
I get its necessary for oden to have lost his eye this way to drive the story forward but odin in norse myth actually gave his eye up willingly to access the knowledge in mimirs magic well
Unlike everything else, Odin has no reason to lie about this... Mimir seems a bit suspicious because of this. What reason could he have to keep the information about the Rift from Atreus and Kratos prior to Fimbulwinter? Mimir actively seems like he's diverting Atreus and Kratos from the ideas Odin might be chasing. Yes Odin has sacrificed his humanity to attain knowledge, but... That doesn't mean something of value isn't there behind the Rift. Or perhaps, Mimir knows what's behind it, and that it could pose a danger to all realms and that diverting Kratos and Atreus is the only way to protect them. Either way, since I heard the Novel was narrated by him, it feels like Mimir knows much more than he lets on
Answer this: which story makes you respect Odin more? One makes his desperate quest for knowledge look like it’s coming up against something real and forbidden and powerful, an almost heroic quest. The other makes him look like a desperate fool and a dupe.
I have a theory that that mask is from another mythology. What if there is another god that cause his/her powers to leak across different worlds which caused a rift. Would be another game one day I hope we'll get answers from this. I'm vedy curious about what's inside that rift.
@@yourmum69_420 lol thats what my mind went to immediately since in the movie they say loki created the mask but looking it up now, thats not based on any real mythology and in fact the comic it's based on doesnt even call it loki's mask, the jsut made it up for the jim carrey film
that mgiht have been from the original myth. the story chagnes thigns around, takes advantages of 'plot holes' and such. its two disconnected incidents here it seems.
I can't stop thinking how hilarious it would've been if Mimir's assessment of the mask had been correct. Think about it. Odin was either drunk or higher than a space shuttle, invests all this time and effort into a wooden mask, it does nothing, and then he feels like a total jack*** afterwards.
Yawn, "hallucinatory mushrooms", pretty lame, uncreative idea (let alone with such extreme consequences, like a lazy hyperbolic joke). Like the standard lazy joke or gossip comment online, essentially: "huhuh, drugs" (also see this repeated here, of course). Also the way they retcon myths in order to justify their story, but I guess it's required.
Considering how Mimir is Puck, it definitely fits him. And also there is more to this, considering Odin may have regenerated his eye with magics, similar to Tyr with his arm which got eaten by Garm. Now, his second eye got taken by the Rift, but due to the Rift's special properties, he can't regenerate it anymore.
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Supporting Mimir's version of how Odin lost his eye, Odin not only pointedly removed Mimir's Left eye when imprisoning him (which would have been on his right side) as a sign that he'd not actually been fooled by his trick once he came off his high, he also casually chides one Asguardian that there better not be any mushrooms in the food when showing Atreus around Asgard the first time, implying he's so upset over the incident that he's banned mushrooms as a foodstuff in Asgard.
Ironically, In this video Odin 'does' say one thing we can be mostly certain is the truth- that he's consumed with the need to know what comes next and a fear of there being nothing for him after his passing, which is exactly the fate that befalls him through his own actions.
who knows maybe athena still saves odin's soul or whatever that higher plane is
there are specualtions that we will meet the meta of creation and the most ancient evil - demiurge there
Doesn’t make sense plus Mimir lies a lot about Odin.
@@king_halcyon what?
Says who, Odin?
Or are you referring to Odin's bottom girl, Heimdall?
@@Dubs22005Ahh I see we have a fellow student of Gnosticism here, I think that’d be a great place to end the story, a false god controlling everything. Who knows if they’ll do it but it would be fitting as that is what we as a humanity are likely facing according to many modern oracles
@@Dubs22005 I thought that his soul was destroyed when Sindri shattered the orb, so that he would meet the same fate as Brok: oblivion.
The fact that Atreus was able to read Greek, Chinese and Egyptian hieroglyphs is really impressive. Mimir wasn't kidding about his talent for languages. And to learn this much for being so young is more than extraordinary. I wanna believe that Atreus is Theuth, the Egyptian god of writing in the story Socrates knew from. Like I imagine him adopting this name while in Egypt.
well, he's already Loki, and Kratos is Farbauti from the myth about Loki's origin when he's already greek, so maybe
but I don't think we would see Atreus in Egypt as a main character, one of the points GoWR had to cover for the norse saga to be in just two games, acording to Cory Balrog, is that Atreus had to leave, so maybe we have to wait a few more mythological sagas to see father and son having adventures again
@@puedenllamarmeDarkStar Never said I wanna see Egyptian myth. If anything, what I wanna see is a game solely focus on Atreus and I'd love to see him going to Chinese mythology and adopt the name Sun Wukong.
@@Erricane well, you may be lucky, it seems the director of GoWR says next saga will be chinese
@@puedenllamarmeDarkStar If you're relying on the six animation Týr is doing, stop it. People immediately assume that was the case. Eric Williams said nothing about Týr hinting the next installment. All he said is that there was a reason why he does those animation. It could be story-related more than project-related. But that may not be the case either. So until Santa Monica themselves say something, best not assume. Because Kratos has already taught that in 2018.
@@Erricane I don't know where does that point of yours come from, but relax, still China is one of the most probable myths to be the next saga, and Týr has an army of statues in his temple, an obvious reference to Qin Shi Huang's Terracotta Army
It is kind of humiliating for the god of knowledge to lose his eye because he tripped on mushrooms.
It's still superior over Marvel Studios's Sam Jackson Nick Fury losing his eye to a stupid alien cat.
Eh, it's how most cults start.
It’s kinda the best they could do cuz in the mythos, Odin looses his eye willingly to mimir to obtain knowledge
Not really he lost his eye cup he was high, then looked through the crack in space.
Keep in mind all Asgard gods we fight in the game have some form of healing.
So if Odin had plucked out his own eye, like mimir said in god of war 2018, Odin's eye would be back by now.
I believe Mimir. His stories also go on to say that Odin took Mimir’s eye so he knew he was tricked. That makes more sense to me game-lore wise
"Power over reality."
This is exactly why some ppl are perpetual liars. I had a friend who was just like this. Nothing malicious, but everything was a micro-lie, just to prop up his life. To be better than it actually was.
Exactly. GOW-Odin is the same as MCU-Thanos, every version of Athena and virtually every God ever. Like Mimir said, what matters to them is "being right". As in, fundamentally in the right about and intrinsically superior to everything in reality, no matter how many have to suffer and die for that to happen, no matter how much antithetical to common sense, morality and true wisdom. Causing countless tragedies and unimaginable suffering so they can convince themselves and everyone that they are RIGHT incarnate by destroying or subverting everything that contradicts them.
It's the epitome of narcissism: enforcing one's solipisism as some kind of natural, unquestionable and inescapable cosmic law. The wet dream of every zealot dictator and wannabe-revolutionary, the mindset of people like Hitler, Stalin, the Kim Dynasty, the Chinese Communist Party, Pablo Escobar and Twitter.
Like one of those things where if you say something enough times or believe it hard enough it will come true
Pathological liars... i have a frnd who i am close with... he lied little lies to maybe make himself look better or escape from teachers punishments and id back my boy up... so it rubbed off on me and i started lying little lies myself... one day i realized it was bad for me and stopped i still do some white lies here and there but the bigger lies have stopped... my frnd has also stopped but he doesnt have the extent of control i have... i find myself lying each day these days but its mostly to avoid annoyance which hopefully stops in the future
I appreciate Mimir's lesson on pathological liars to Atreus
And after playing both games, Mimir was by no means exaggerating about the lengths Odin went to just to lie. "If he tells you the snow is white, he's lying."
To tell lies is to control reality.
Pathology refers to not being able to control it, i think he lies as a tool
@Office_Dwight way to ruin the fun
@Office_Dwight that was it
Makes sense he’d lie about the eye. Pretty embarrassing for the mighty king of the Aesir to tell some young kid how he got tricked by a goat man into drinking from a well full of shroom water and gauged out his own eye while on a bad trip.
Yeah, I think anybody would lie about it, cause that's mighty embarrassing
It’s a habit of his to control the truth. You can see it even earlier with Heimdul; he didn’t know about how the walls of Asgard were made
So mimir tricked Odin...well Odin trust mimir and mimir betrayed him right? That’s what it sounds like. Odin blamed mimir for an item being stolen from him as well and turns out it was brok and sindri...lol...are little kids playing GOW that they can’t put two and two together? Why do we feel bad that mimir was punished again?
@@thebluerock6048 because odin's a scumbag and you should feel bad about anybody being imprisoned within a tree for over a hundred years, that's an insane punishment for most things let alone tricking an evil god into drinking shroom water, it's insane you're actually even questioning that
@@jbags4195 so you would befriend somebody just to fuck them over because of what they’re known for? That doesn’t sound weird to you?
Surprised Atreus didn’t bring up the mystic well incident with Odin. Would be good to see his reaction if he was lying.
I guess Atreus didn’t want to piss Odin off and stay on his good side until Atreus got the info he needs.
mystic well incident?
@@banagherlinks100 Mimir told Odin that if he wanted a drink from the well he had to remove an eye, which he proceeded to do after being told this and then took a drink from it and saw visions, but it was really just water filled with mushrooms
@@dreademperor2094 no mimir told Odin the well water would give him visions and whatever odin saw convinced him he had to gouge out his eyes but mimir restrained him before he could remove his remaining eye and when odin sobered up mimir told him the eye was the price of the knowledge he got from the well
@@kevinescobar370 thank you for the correction
I like how both games have a story of a god getting high. Odin got high when Mimir tricked him in to trippin on shrooms, Freyr wanted to impress someone he liked but thought getting high while looking for bifrost light to impress said girl ended up with him unintentionally getting elves to worship him... and then leaving
And the Greek pantheon got high on the evils and fears that were contained in Pandora's box lol
I actually forgot about Mimir's account of how Odin lost his eye when Ragnarok came. Re-watching it with Odin's account of how it happened in mind makes it even funnier especially when Mimir's version is the more likely one.
Its also more "lore accurate" since in the original Myth Odin sacrificed one of his eyes (or both not sure anymore) for knowledge.
2:50 I must wonder, if that voice he heard was real. Then perhaps that entity prodded him down the path of war, and is the true villain.
I kind of wonder if it didn't even know he was there in the first place. Like, he was eavesdropping on a conversation between two higher beings (who didn't even notice him) through a crack in their kitchen wall. The reason he hasn't heard their voices again is because they've since moved their conversation to the living room.
I _hate_ that Odin seems so chill and calming to hang around when he talks with Atreus. He seems like such a wise and scholarly mentor around Atreus, and knowing that it's all just some lie to manipulate him just fills me with dread. I hate that it _works_ on me, honestly, and I almost don't wanna hate Odin even if he's a scumbag.
or you can only see the evil in a man with good intentions because freyas manipulation works so much easier on you
He's extremely well written. On a totally different league of villainous writing above Zeus
Odin is Atreus’s biological father .
I’ve been listening to a bunch of theories about the tear. Some hint at Athena being in a higher state of being since she died selflessly. Notice how she’s green and so is the tear. Maybe the voice that spoke to Odin while he was sleeping was ATHENA
Best one I saw was a reddit post about how the tear leads to Pleroma
There are probably parallels between the rift, and the ideas of theosophy, similarly to the Monad and "Truth" in Fullmetal Alchemist. Odin wanted to see the truth, and as retribution it took his eye.
It would tie into the theme of GoW nicely, in that the gods of all mythologies are corrupted by the same goal, power over their own fate.
The fact that the mask itself has inscriptions in greek automatically points this plot to athena, only she didn't reveal herself as such. Respecting to the loss of odin's eye, we aren't certain wich version is true, but i know for a fact that it wouldn't be the first time a greek deity accepts eyes as offerings.
I personally believe that Odin saw the Plot Hole; but his hesitation drove him to find resources that may allow him to potentially last longer in seeing the Tear. It was there that Mimir would offer the Shrooms.
Mimir's life lesson about liars. Always listen to the Smartest Man Alive.
I looked up what language Atreus said from the mask and I found out it was Greek... huh.
I believe Athena was behind that rift and mask.
They did say the language wasn't from that of the Nine Realms. It could have been from another land, or maybe something beyond all of them.
@@stylishmusic4012 I really wish they would have planted more of a seed to show that for the sequels because I agree. And even if it's not the case I think it would be such a good tie in and way to continue the series. Athena manipulating Odin is genius.
Wait could it be remnants of the effects of Pandora's box? From a broken realm in greece. Magical RADIATION. I mean zeus got mad with but whiff, Odin too I guess?
@@stylishmusic4012 I don't think they'd tease Athena in the previous game and not do anything more with it. We know she's still around given the ending of GOW3. Manipulating people is her MO.
The main cause of Odin's villainry is existential crisis
Infinity stones
I must wonder, if that voice the he heard was real. Then perhaps that entity prodded him down the path of war, and is the true villain.
I had never heard these conversations between Atreus and Mimir. I had remembered Mimir's story but just thought it was a plot hole but it's much more satisfying knowing that the incongruency is due to Odin's lier nature.
If Mimir gave odin shroom infused waters that made him get visions, then is he responsible for odin's madness then🤨🤣
Yea
The writing in the game is piss poor.
No, he ain't. If you pay attention to the details, Odin has been insane from his very beginning.
@@adamsirin7249 omg thank you, I've been saying the very same thing But it seems the God Of War fanboys don't want to admit it.
The gameplay stellar as usual but the story sucks. I like the characters and portrayal mostly, but damn the story is too inconsistent.
I believe both sides are lying to make the other look bad.
@@isaiahgeorge906 so you're quicker to believe that, then by that logic Atreus is insane as well. Cause he saw knowledge in that tear in reality.
So Odin was lying about that too?
I think Odin's story makes more sense... It doesnt look like a gouged out eye, rather a burned out one. Also why didnt it heal? He's a god, it should have healed right back if the reason for the trauma wasnt uniquely magical in nature that it would stop the eye from healing.
Then again Mimir too doesnt seem to be lying. Both stories could coexist - first Odin trips on Mimir's mushrooms, sees visions and gouges out an eye, it heals, and then because of those visions he grows insane enough to try to look inside of the rift and that's when he loses his eye for good.
honestly through all the healing powers of gods I dont think weve ever seen a god actually grow back something once fully removed
I think godly healing is really just human healing on a freaky fast scale cause humans can also regrow skin tissue and close wounds, given enough time and medicine, but cant actually restore any organs or limbs once removed
even heimdall couldnt grow his arm back he just sort of sprouted a magic one
as for why it looks burned and not gouged, they maybe cauterized the wound or something and whatever parts of his face got torn or cut was what healed, who knows
butchea I dont think theres been a precedent for a god actually growing anything back that I can remember
Just because he's a god doesn't mean he can't sustain injuries. If he pulled his eye out it's gone for good just like Heimdall just couldn't regrow his arm
@@nnightkingj well he reformed it as bifrost i think but i don't think that it'd be considered regrowing.
so the well thing was more him "attempting" to rip out his eyes, the real story was the rift's light blinded when he tried to peek into it.
Possibly. But more than likely, he just didn’t want to admit to his mistake with the mushrooms. It’s been shown through a couple other instances that, when he has been tricked or fooled in some fashion, he’ll alter the history of his mistake into something else to cover it up
@@BoredOuttaMyMind He IS a god though, and a powerful one at that. I have a hard time believing he wouldn’t be able to heal and restore his eyeball if it was physically ripped out. Especially considering Tyr was able to regrow an entire arm after having it ripped off.
@@bendavidson1210 then again, Hermes wasn’t able to regrow his legs and Heimdall was only able to restore a bifrost version of his arm after Kratos blew it up so either Tyr has some knowledge of transplanting limbs (not surprising given his travels) or it’s a power specific to him
@@bendavidson1210 gods are creatures of circumstance, of actions having meaning. If odins eye had been lost to some accident, it’d have been easy to heal. But he GOUGED IT OUT HIMSELF. That is harder to heal, because it was something he did himself. Those changes take. Especially as he continued to blind himself to the true to see a vision he desired. A narrowing of sight.
If he had actually listened to Atreus, I think he’d have been able to heal it in time.
more he likely didn't want to risk loki being able to use the rift without the mask. he knows from his "vision" he needs the mask, but if loki looks in and finds out all the information odin wants, well... then loki has no need to help him and will likely know odin's intent to betray him.
An interesting detail is that, in Mimir's story, he said he "managed to restrain him before he finished the job". So Odin may have actually lost his eye to this rift, which further reinforces the lesson about Odin - despite all his knowledge, he never actually learns.
He literally nearly gouged out his own eye in a fit of mushroom induced madness, and yet he still didn't learn restraint, and still ended up losing that eye to yet another pursuit for knowledge.
I think Mimir meant that Odin was attempting to blind himself and he stopped him before he removed the second eye
I got the same feeling from that.
I love that Loki's mask from "the mask" makes an appearance
Yeah, the one and only mask movie, nothing after that.
@@mapoking5087they’re more than one mask movie bro
@@mapoking5087 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_the_Mask
@@Droski-Boutta-Bag shhhhhh no there isnt
@@Droski-Boutta-Bag No there isn't. There's no Terminator movie after Terminator 2 either.
Spitha is Greek, but why is that important ? Dionysus was the Greek god of theatre (masked theatre), wine (like the one influencing Thor), and accounts say he arrived in Greece as a foreigner. He is also a dying and rising god, who communicates the dead (Athena and Faye). This could all be related to him.
3:34 anybody who have dealt with liars and narcissists. This hits home hard
Mimir just described a career politician.
Good thing Mimir didn't show Odin the trick where he takes his thumb off, or the coin behind the ear.
Odin: Lost my eye looking for answers...
Mimir: He was tripping balls it was HILARIOUS!!
The crack leads to Edge City, where the mask eventually falls in the hands of Stanley Ipkiss
Keep uploading love the vids!!
I think the real lesson is dont secretly give someone drugs, let them know ahead of time, otherwise you end up strapped to a former Greek god's backside while said former god ferries his son around the countryside like any good father
Odin was geeked on shrooms tea and ripped his own eye out🤣🤣!
Thanks for the great content as always brother!
Imagine atreus knows the truth about odin loss his eye.. when odin show his loss eye to atreus, atreus already knows that he is lying.. and trying not to laugh
If so, it then begs the question why would Odin stop Atreus from looking into the rift. Odin wanted knowledge why wouldn't he want Atreus to look into the rift especially since at the end of the game he offered loki the mask to look into said rift.
Jus admit it, the story is poorly thought out.
@@charles9489 kratos character development is still far better than 99% of fictional characters
@@charles9489 “why would Odin stop Atreus from looking into the rift”
THANK YOU OMG. It’s like we’re surrounded by ignorance. Thank you so much these other comments are just so ughhhhhhhhhh
@@charles9489 Because if he let atreus look into the rift without the whole mask then he would've either died or hurt himself badly. That was literally the whole point of why Odin was looking for the pieces of the mask, so he could look into the rift without getting hurt or dying. At the end of the game, the mask was whole so yeah, odin was trying to egg Atreus to use it.
There was some weird shit Odin was spouting at the end about how "only the champion of the Jotnar could look into the rift with the mask" which came out of nowhere which did give me an immersion breaking pause of "where did that come from? Was this said before?" but the question you're asking has an obvious answer.
Odin heard a voice i think that was athena.
by the primordials... you could be right
@@jaysilverhood1264 or not because that happed long ago when athena was still alive so it's an unknown force
Assuming both are true, I imagine Odin glimpsed at the rift and never felt the same, especially that eye. Then Mimir's shrooms pushed that experience back to the surface and he couldn't handle it.
He could reasonably weave the narrative into correlating what he saw in that rift and the loss of his eye. But really what drove the actual eye-pulling-incident was Mimir's shrooms, so he also internally blames Mimir and takes one of his eyes as revenge.
A Mystic well of Knowledge
Doesn't this directly implicate Mimir in literally every atrocity Odin did after he got those vsions?
Lol exactly, the story in this game is jus bad.
It's either Mimir is lying, or Odin tells some truth.
They want to make Odin the sole bad guy here when there’s multiple bad guys...
depending on your belief on how long the mushrooms has effected him.
Yeah it does. Mimir literally explained all of his involvement in enabling Odin, initially, but over time, due to his own guilty conscience, Mimir stopped enabling Odin and tried to contain him. Another thing about pathological liars, they'll often piece together two totally unrelated incidents and make it a coherent plot.
Odin's obsession with the mask had absolutely nothing to do with the shroom tripping. But he figured he could use those stories together to make him look more sane.
It is implied that Odin was crazy even before that
Or maybe Odin wasnt lying and the mushrooms was potent enough to made Odin misremember things.
Wait a glowing green mask that has some affiliation with Loki?
... Jim Carry DLC?
"Liars lie, no matter how big or small, in order to wield power over reality. " Knowledge!!❤
I'm inclined to say he's actually telling the truth. Tyr regrew an arm. Not a stretch for Odin to regrow an eye. And I don't doubt Odin would use the incomplete mask to look into the crack, and that it would have consequences
I like to imagine the other aside of the rift is the truth that actually they are all inside the game GOW😂. Kinda like rick and morty.
Eh, there’s enough fourth wall breaks in todays media. No need to add to the list.
I thought the same thing
The rift is actuallly ginungagap, the great void.
I imagine it’ll have more to do with other pantheons in the GOW universe
@@aymanbhr4436 We see Ginnungagap tho and it is not neon green.
Mimir: Can’t you be honest about anything
Odin: The last time I was honest I lost an eye
If Odin’s eye didn’t get damaged by the rift, why not just let Atreus look into it?
Maybe both happened. He got high on the shroom water injured the eye. It healed then he looked into the crack
I think the whole rift thing will be explored more in future GOW games. Maybe it’s the “Higher plane” to which Athena descended, something above all pantheons and all worlds.
Remember what Mimir said "If he tells you, snow is white. He's lying"
My assumptions for the sequel to this game is that, whoever gave that mask to Odin, and whoever that voice was, will come back to see if they're plan succeeded. They'll be disappointed that the realms didn't succumb to darkness and destruction and that Odin died not fulfilling what they had planned for him.
Whoever is behind the whole mess, clearly knew how obsessed Odin would become with the seeking of truth. They're probably a deity that surpasses Odin in both power and knowledge, who probably either wanted to conquer these realms or learn about them through subterfuge. Also, wether they surpassed Odin in power or not, it is a clever move to get rid of the most powerful deity in a subtle and hidden way while weakening in the process, even his kingdom was in shambles, the nine realms falling into disarray because of one man's obsession. Truly a clever move.
Funny how Faye just showed Kratos death in the mural to force Atreus into going with Odin for knowledge to prevent it.
Buy Atreus didn't see that part of the murals.
I believe Atreus is an avatar like figure so whenever the next game comes out Depending on if it’s heavy kratos gameplay or Atreus gameplay his rage form might change with location and his powers may tailor in reference to the gods in that area
The Mask reminds me of The Mask, the one with Jim Carry, in the 2nd movie (yes the bad one) they say that Loki made the mask.
Odin probably peaked "accidentally" at a women's lodge and they poked his eye out.
Mineta: I understand your pain
@@Abdega He done anything in the latest arc yet?
Imagine if Jim Carrey had a cameo in this lol
Both stories are true. Odin gouged out his eye in front of Mimir, but it regenerated like Tyr's arm, then he looked into the crack and lost it forever because green magic is weird.
I thought that crack was gonna lead into a new mythology
Mimir said Odin was NEVER fool by the mystic well trick. So why did Odin drink that water if it was useless? Also, it is possible that Odin lost an eye looking into that tear. Because he would have gotten his eye back if it was just torn out.
Fooled by the well enough to take a drink, but not fooled at all by Mimir's bullshittery afterwards telling him it was for some higher purpose he lost the eye.
So let me get this straight. All Odin wanted was to open the crack so he could learn about the secrets of life and death?
People's sympathy comes from everyone being afraid of that yeah, but you must remember how that fear led him to treat lives as trash. Nothing, not even his family had worth to him if he didn't solve that mystery, so what could one expect from him if he had that answer? Would the existence of an afterlife ease his guilt, thinking all the suffering he caused wouldn't be the definitive end, maybe even find ways to manitupalte the way afterlife worked in his benefit? Or it would only drive him to an unhinged nihilist rampage where nothing matters because everything will end?
His goal was justified, just like Kratos's goal of killing Zeus.
The means...
it looks like the mask is the device to communicate with our real world...lol
Just to note everyone, Odin is clearly capable of illusions that are imperceptible, so how and when he lost his eye cannot be trusted by any account.
The mask of loki from The Mask
3:36
freya really is a monster tainting so many peoples vision of odin
No Odin ended up trying to look through a Gloryhole and got poked in the eye by a Willy
It's why the giants had to die
@@jordanloux3883 he killed them due to superiority complex and poisoned his son's mind with bad influence
What if kratis retired and became santa claus. "Press O to eat cookies"
What if they are both telling the truth? What if the vision Odin had from the mushrooms about the All Truth is where he looked into it and even that was too much to bear. So he cut off his eye.
And then Odin says that Mimir never tricked him with those hallucinogenic mushrooms and let Mimir think his plan worked. Or was you think that was also a lie from Odin and just embarrassed that it did work and tore out his eye?
Personally, it would take a lot to mark a god permentally. SO I believe Odin's version of the story here. Also having lie about EVERYTHING is kinda boring. The best lies have truths in them.
When did he say tht?
Seems like Athena got to Odin too....huhh
Bloody hell. Odin still fking high from mushroom with that weird ass mask
Didn't Odin sacrifice his eye in exchange for learning to read runes while hanging upside down from a tree for like a week or something?
Mimir seems more than dubious, if for no other reason that he has tree branches poking through his brain.
Stanley Ipkiss be like:
Odin is probably lying but I think it would be interesting if the developers find a way to make both versions true somehow
Odin lost his eye when he saw in that rift that he's gonna be added in fortnite
That really make Odin look like a gullible fool rather than the god of wisdom and knowledge.
The story is so shitty. They made so much new things yet stuck to the freakin Mimir well myth. Fuckin idiot devs
What is in the rift though?
Obsidioni spitha translates in greek to obsidian spark
Do you guys remember that freya bewitched him in to not saying bulders weakness mybe odin did the same he bewitched mimir to say this stuff to make odin a fool remember when he disguised himself as tyr he said to atreus that odin will only clues your mind maybe he did this so pepole underestimate him since his a manipulator.
Sorry bad English
So basically everything is Mimir's fault because he thought it would be funny to get Odin high and Odin had a very bad trip.
So it's Mimir fault for him finding the mask
Odin found the mask on his own. Mimir doesn't even believe the mask works
@@Tay-v6v yeah but it was because of his well of mushrooms that he had these visions to hunt for the mask
@@wolfbane7497 imagine whats beyond the other side is actually the god of drugs, it gave odin a vision when he was tripping out of his balls
The God of Drugs
Slaanesh: You rang 😏
@@randomcenturion7264 khrone: " get out of here you slut
I really hope they dont ever go the lords of shadow route and have that voice actually be satan
2:55 maybe the voice was athena
so the mask was greek? anyone have further information on this
DID THEY EVER EXPLAIN THIS!?!?! THE CRACK THE MASK
Joke: Odin peek into the riff that is actually a peep hole into Isis' bath house in Egypt Heaven. So Isis poke him in the eye, blinded him but not before he caught sight of the most wondrous of wisdom in Egypt.
George Santos joke, anyone? 😆
i wanna know whats behind the rift hmmmmm
Unfortunately u wont
Athena might too.
@@fishgiovaana8441 LOKI WHAT DID YOU DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :DDDDDDDDD
A little goblin who pokes the eyes of people who look into it
Green wiregrid
so does that mean the mask was one of those "visions"
No, it was not. Right focus, wrong question. What you should be asking is whose voice was it that told him of the mask? My best guess is it MIGHT have been Athena.
All that complaint about liars and their percieved power over reality by lying and Mimir puts Odin under his... using mystical cocktail of mushrooms. Ok then. Granted he was a prick so...
no he doesn't. he lies to aterus. mimir tells you how he lost his eye in first game.
Still not as embarrassing as Nick Fury getting his eye scratched out by a cat. DON'T @ ME. They say it was really an alien? I don't care, it was a cat.
He will turn green probably if he wear the mask and move like a cartoon too and Whatever he want become
I get its necessary for oden to have lost his eye this way to drive the story forward but odin in norse myth actually gave his eye up willingly to access the knowledge in mimirs magic well
Oh shit, what if Mimir is lying? Like really think about the context in which he was speaking when he mentioned power over reality.
I honestly think he was. I don’t trust Mimir after playing the second game.
Unlike everything else, Odin has no reason to lie about this... Mimir seems a bit suspicious because of this. What reason could he have to keep the information about the Rift from Atreus and Kratos prior to Fimbulwinter?
Mimir actively seems like he's diverting Atreus and Kratos from the ideas Odin might be chasing. Yes Odin has sacrificed his humanity to attain knowledge, but... That doesn't mean something of value isn't there behind the Rift.
Or perhaps, Mimir knows what's behind it, and that it could pose a danger to all realms and that diverting Kratos and Atreus is the only way to protect them. Either way, since I heard the Novel was narrated by him, it feels like Mimir knows much more than he lets on
Answer this: which story makes you respect Odin more? One makes his desperate quest for knowledge look like it’s coming up against something real and forbidden and powerful, an almost heroic quest. The other makes him look like a desperate fool and a dupe.
Does Odin's mask actually exist in Norse Mythology?
Not to my knowledge… although to be fair, the only source we HAVE was from AFTER the region’s Christianization.
I have a theory that that mask is from another mythology. What if there is another god that cause his/her powers to leak across different worlds which caused a rift. Would be another game one day I hope we'll get answers from this. I'm vedy curious about what's inside that rift.
@@eggxecution it was athena, the mask is written in greek. shes the voice odin heard leading him to it
it's from the Mask with Jim Carey
@@yourmum69_420 lol thats what my mind went to immediately since in the movie they say loki created the mask but looking it up now, thats not based on any real mythology and in fact the comic it's based on doesnt even call it loki's mask, the jsut made it up for the jim carrey film
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didn't Odin lose his eye from hanging from the world tree to gain knowledge?
that mgiht have been from the original myth. the story chagnes thigns around, takes advantages of 'plot holes' and such.
its two disconnected incidents here it seems.
no, he gave it to Mimir in return for letting him drink from the well of knowledge
That's a different pursuit of knowledge and according to the myths, this is how he gained knowledge of the runic scripts.
FUCK MY LIFE
I can't stop thinking how hilarious it would've been if Mimir's assessment of the mask had been correct.
Think about it. Odin was either drunk or higher than a space shuttle, invests all this time and effort into a wooden mask, it does nothing, and then he feels like a total jack*** afterwards.
Yawn, "hallucinatory mushrooms", pretty lame, uncreative idea (let alone with such extreme consequences, like a lazy hyperbolic joke). Like the standard lazy joke or gossip comment online, essentially: "huhuh, drugs" (also see this repeated here, of course). Also the way they retcon myths in order to justify their story, but I guess it's required.
then go read the norse myths instead lmao wannabe critic
Yeah it actually appears as though Mimir is slandering Odin here out of spite.
It doesn't add up!
Considering how Mimir is Puck, it definitely fits him.
And also there is more to this, considering Odin may have regenerated his eye with magics, similar to Tyr with his arm which got eaten by Garm.
Now, his second eye got taken by the Rift, but due to the Rift's special properties, he can't regenerate it anymore.