im 15 mins in and i have to admit the entire set-up alone, witht he gorgeous table, the historical background and real people being part of the game, has got me pretty excited already. Very curious about the gameplay itself, but for now i have to get to work, will get back to this later for sure
Love all your battle reports, but the WotR are my absolute favourite. The timer worked really well for this scenario, and the fight for the village was awesome. Fantastic job guys.
I really appreciate that mate, thanks. I loved the way the fight developed and in a very believable way as the Lancastrians pushed across the board. Have plans for some more based on other parts of the battle, but also some good old pitched battles as well 😁
Thanks Leslie, glad you enjoyed it. I have a few more WOTR scenarios planned which will be cming. The Crusade campiagn 2nd phase is wrapping up and will be trying a few other things as well but i think there may be room for some Black powder as well
Thanks very much, yeah the Yorkists took some heavy loses at the start which hampered them a little bit there was a moment that I thought they had done enough to reverse fortune, sadly it wasn't to be 😁
Really excellent game & scenario. The wagons must've been pushing through some knee deep muck they went so slow but it did keep me on edge the whole way through. Regarding the roadway, the road planks you used to use, as most everyone else, really puts a dent in what can otherwise be really inspiring terrain. This loose grain dirt (?) is far superior in appearance. If you get a chance, could you tell me what you used & how you laid it down , and how well it cleaned up? Cheers.
Really pleased you enjoyed it, it was great fun to play. So the dirt roads are made from a mixture of earth 9thats been drie out in an oven then sieved), ground coffee (genuienly its just to get rid of the earthy smell), and scatter from my remaining tubs that are nearly empty (acts like weeds etc). I apply it with a spoon tracing out the area i want then use a soft brusy to move it about. once the game is done and its time to pack up i take all the other scenery off the table, brush as much as i can into a container and store it for another day. The rest i just shake off in the garden, and its done. Hope this helps.
@@7thson726 Thanks for all that. It looks like really good, black garden soil, lucky you. In my old gaming club, in a game store, we were using really nice (& not cheap) railroad terrain dirt, in the same way, except we had a task devoted "Super Sweeper", a hand held electric vacuum, to suck up all the remaining detritus. I'll have to think about a source of good, fine soil, that wouldn't attract vermin to the table overnight, since as a solo gamer I can rarely finish a game in one go. When will I get to see a battle utilizing the gorgeous Roman Bakery I so envy? Hugs.
thanks for that, I took the spelling from the Fawkes map which was probably a mistake so thanks for pointing that out. As for the location, its a wargame and therefore you have to accept some abstraction, like 5 buildings representing a whole village or 16 men on 3 bases representing hundreds.
That was a great game ... Lots of twists and turns ,the variable length turns worked well and added another dimension to the game .. More WotRs please 😊
Hi there 😁 really pleased to hear you liked it, and the table, I had a lot of fun putting this one together. The roads are a dirt mixture added and then brushed into position. I then line the sides with lichen. And other scatter to blend it in 👍 once done, I just sweep it back into the box 😁
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed watching it. The hills are made from towels that are rolled up and shaped under the cloth. The mat is from a company called Wargamer 👍
Thank you 👍 I do play NMTBH for smaller engagements and and for a change but I think it would be a very hard game to film, which is the only reason I haven't
@@levsharus5899 Thats a fair comment. So there are key differences between NMTBH and how it represents units and households. I like using NMTBH for smaller battles where models count as invidiuals, contributing to the attacks of the unit. Where as HC uses an abstraction that it doesn't matter how many models are in the unit, only the size of the unit on the battlefield (the frontage) if i were to extrapolate the forces that i was playing with here into NMTBH then i would likely have twice as many units on the battlefield. Also the mechanisims in NMTBH, while fun, make for awkward editing, ive tried it and wasn't happy with how the video was going so left it. NMTBH can be used for large gaems, i've seen it done, i just enjoy HC for those, personal taste i guess I think both systems have advantages and disadvantages, it just depends on what you are trying to depict on the table. I have thought of trying to refilm a game of NMTBH but i have alot of games palnned and its fitting it in :)
@@7thson726 actually, HC rules are too much simplified to my taste. But I like to watch you playing them on your channel. You do it very artistically and breathtakingly. I am pretty sure you could do it with NMtBH as well. Thank you for your videos!
Great battle report and brilliant tables / figures as usual. One question, WotR related but not specific to this game. In your own WotR rule supplement, what’s the reason for choosing regular canon to be canon and not light canon? I’m guessing because WotR artillery was cumbersome, heavy and large calibre, not like the battalion style popguns that, AFAIK, WotR armies did not use? I know you like tinkering with the rules too to add interest but, unless you have one already, how about a particular canon or even having a Commander / Master of Guns who can only be used with cannons / guns, that’s his sole job. Give him a command rating of 7 to try and remove reload markers and maybe once per game or once per game per gun he can reduce the score to hit needed by -1? John Wode Master of Ordonnance perhaps, or John Judde. Maybe limit the amount of other named commanders (or at least their special rules) if taking a Master of Guns?
You hit the nail on the head. I was essentially trying to limit their usefulness. At least until the trained ordinance crews appear. Funnily enough I did tinker for a while with attachments for units, so master gunners, captains of archers/arms, surgeons etc that would act independently of divisional commanders and /or add certain rules. Maybe I should take another look 🤔👍
@@7thson726 Is your email still the same? I’ll send you the latest version of one I’ve just finished working on. I did mail one already but you may not have got round to the email yet. I’ve done one for 3 types of commander, each with a slightly different twist.
Nice, nice game. I've always admired your tabletops (especially your towns), and I think the new roads you're using are superb. And I like the addition of the clock--I'm going to try that with some of my games.
A very dynamic game. It’s great to see when the leaders of the opposing sides are in a great mood and determined, but at the same time positive and with a bit of irony. Great game, gentlemen. Looking forward to the continuation.
Cheers Graham, I was pleased with how it worked. I think next time we'll use 2D6 as standard and then if the general hasn't used his re roll for command then he can add or subtract a D6 for the roll 👍
The game's rules and setting interests me, but too much footage is looking at the dice tray. Maybe put the rolls on a ticker or a corner, let's see more models more often.
Totally get where your coming from. Its something ive played about with before but it didn't really work. I ran a poll a few times and the overwhleming majority of epople wanted the dice rolls left as it was. Also, for a ticker to work i would probably have to get another cameraso i could run it live at hte same time, otherwise i wuld have to film extra footage to fill in and im already editing 3.5 - 4hrs of game time :), i'll see if i can get some more footage of the armies and push in a bit on the summaries as we do them. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment :)
@@DE-rd1zl no, no glue, I just scatter it where needed and build it up. I use a brush to move it about as needed. Once the game is done, I sweep it into a box and then shake the mat off outside and it's all sorted 👍
Hard to believe it's been a years since your last WOR game. Really enjoyed it - as usual. Have you thought about doing a recap at the end with either stills or an edit to discuss lessons learnt and decisions?
im 15 mins in and i have to admit the entire set-up alone, witht he gorgeous table, the historical background and real people being part of the game, has got me pretty excited already. Very curious about the gameplay itself, but for now i have to get to work, will get back to this later for sure
Really pleased to hear you are enjoying it, I had alot of fun putting this one together. Hope you enjoy the rest 😁👍
Love all your battle reports, but the WotR are my absolute favourite. The timer worked really well for this scenario, and the fight for the village was awesome. Fantastic job guys.
I really appreciate that mate, thanks. I loved the way the fight developed and in a very believable way as the Lancastrians pushed across the board. Have plans for some more based on other parts of the battle, but also some good old pitched battles as well 😁
Another great battle report. Thanks! And I also really liked the variable time. That could be a lot of fun to use in any number of games.
Thnks very much, i can see myself using it in alot of different systems now
Great to see the War of the Roses again. Fun scenario. Ben’s amazing dice seem out of place on your channel though! 😂
👀 I'm hurt... Well, not that hurt 😅
Great game Martin. It all looks great, nice to see going back to WotR's after so long chasing your other projects.
Thanks Leslie, glad you enjoyed it. I have a few more WOTR scenarios planned which will be cming. The Crusade campiagn 2nd phase is wrapping up and will be trying a few other things as well but i think there may be room for some Black powder as well
The time mechanic really made for a tense and exciting battle. Great battle report, look forward to more👍
Thanks very much, I found it was a great way of adding friction 👍
lovely game. Even if the result was quite a big difrence it still felt quite swingy and could have gone completely different.
Thanks very much, yeah the Yorkists took some heavy loses at the start which hampered them a little bit there was a moment that I thought they had done enough to reverse fortune, sadly it wasn't to be 😁
Really excellent game & scenario. The wagons must've been pushing through some knee deep muck they went so slow but it did keep me on edge the whole way through. Regarding the roadway, the road planks you used to use, as most everyone else, really puts a dent in what can otherwise be really inspiring terrain. This loose grain dirt (?) is far superior in appearance. If you get a chance, could you tell me what you used & how you laid it down , and how well it cleaned up? Cheers.
Really pleased you enjoyed it, it was great fun to play. So the dirt roads are made from a mixture of earth 9thats been drie out in an oven then sieved), ground coffee (genuienly its just to get rid of the earthy smell), and scatter from my remaining tubs that are nearly empty (acts like weeds etc). I apply it with a spoon tracing out the area i want then use a soft brusy to move it about. once the game is done and its time to pack up i take all the other scenery off the table, brush as much as i can into a container and store it for another day. The rest i just shake off in the garden, and its done. Hope this helps.
@@7thson726 Thanks for all that. It looks like really good, black garden soil, lucky you. In my old gaming club, in a game store, we were using really nice (& not cheap) railroad terrain dirt, in the same way, except we had a task devoted "Super Sweeper", a hand held electric vacuum, to suck up all the remaining detritus. I'll have to think about a source of good, fine soil, that wouldn't attract vermin to the table overnight, since as a solo gamer I can rarely finish a game in one go. When will I get to see a battle utilizing the gorgeous Roman Bakery I so envy? Hugs.
Enjoy the game, have a wonderful day everyone
Thanks very much, you to 👍
Sorry missed the intro.....jus like the Yorkists at 2nd St Albans....lol
Haha very true 👍
great game guys , hope to see more WOTR
Thanks very much, will definitely be some more in the future 👍
It's Nomansland Common, not Normansland Common and it's further north than Sandridge.
thanks for that, I took the spelling from the Fawkes map which was probably a mistake so thanks for pointing that out. As for the location, its a wargame and therefore you have to accept some abstraction, like 5 buildings representing a whole village or 16 men on 3 bases representing hundreds.
That was a great game ... Lots of twists and turns ,the variable length turns worked well and added another dimension to the game .. More WotRs please 😊
Glad you enjoyed it, will certainly be more coming :)
Very bloody battle! Fitting for Exeter tbh...
Absolutely, he certainly was in his element 😅
Very exciting battle report, and a beautiful table! 😍
Can I ask how you did the roads? Are they modular, or is it earth sprinkled on a mat?
Hi there 😁 really pleased to hear you liked it, and the table, I had a lot of fun putting this one together. The roads are a dirt mixture added and then brushed into position. I then line the sides with lichen. And other scatter to blend it in 👍 once done, I just sweep it back into the box 😁
Everything about that was totally outstanding! Fantastic job Gents! Thanks Martin! Have a great week my friend 👍
Cheers mate, it was a cracking game and glad we got to show it to you all!
Really appreciate it mate, Glad you enjoyed it
Fantastic game. Really good to watch.
Can I ask where your battle mat is from and how have you constructed the hills? underneath?
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed watching it. The hills are made from towels that are rolled up and shaped under the cloth. The mat is from a company called Wargamer 👍
@@turkdouglas no worries 😁 thanks for the kind words
Evening :)
Thanks for tuning in mate 😁
Great game thanks.
Glad you liked it 👍
Another good game
Thanks buddy 😁
Great game
Thank you 👍
GREAT GAME
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it 😁👀
Fantastic game really enjoyed it well done Ben 🤩🤩🤩👍👍🤠🤠
Thanks! It could have gone either way!
Glad you enjoyed it 😁
An excellent game. Didn’t you think of trying Never Mind the Billhooks for this period to compare how they work?
Thank you 👍 I do play NMTBH for smaller engagements and and for a change but I think it would be a very hard game to film, which is the only reason I haven't
@@7thson726 you mean this will be too long at this level? But I saw several bat reps of NMtBH on TH-cam of the same scale, they were reasonably short.
@@levsharus5899 Thats a fair comment. So there are key differences between NMTBH and how it represents units and households. I like using NMTBH for smaller battles where models count as invidiuals, contributing to the attacks of the unit. Where as HC uses an abstraction that it doesn't matter how many models are in the unit, only the size of the unit on the battlefield (the frontage) if i were to extrapolate the forces that i was playing with here into NMTBH then i would likely have twice as many units on the battlefield. Also the mechanisims in NMTBH, while fun, make for awkward editing, ive tried it and wasn't happy with how the video was going so left it.
NMTBH can be used for large gaems, i've seen it done, i just enjoy HC for those, personal taste i guess
I think both systems have advantages and disadvantages, it just depends on what you are trying to depict on the table.
I have thought of trying to refilm a game of NMTBH but i have alot of games palnned and its fitting it in :)
@@7thson726 actually, HC rules are too much simplified to my taste. But I like to watch you playing them on your channel. You do it very artistically and breathtakingly. I am pretty sure you could do it with NMtBH as well. Thank you for your videos!
Which channels have you seen NMBH bat reps? Can’t seem to find anyone good myself
Great game Gents, scenario rules worked well and I like the time clock mechanic. Ben played a blinder and a very nice army btw. Many Thanks😂👍
Thank you very much!
He certainly did. Pleased you enjoyed it mate 👍
Great battle report and brilliant tables / figures as usual. One question, WotR related but not specific to this game. In your own WotR rule supplement, what’s the reason for choosing regular canon to be canon and not light canon? I’m guessing because WotR artillery was cumbersome, heavy and large calibre, not like the battalion style popguns that, AFAIK, WotR armies did not use?
I know you like tinkering with the rules too to add interest but, unless you have one already, how about a particular canon or even having a Commander / Master of Guns who can only be used with cannons / guns, that’s his sole job. Give him a command rating of 7 to try and remove reload markers and maybe once per game or once per game per gun he can reduce the score to hit needed by -1? John Wode Master of Ordonnance perhaps, or John Judde. Maybe limit the amount of other named commanders (or at least their special rules) if taking a Master of Guns?
You hit the nail on the head. I was essentially trying to limit their usefulness. At least until the trained ordinance crews appear.
Funnily enough I did tinker for a while with attachments for units, so master gunners, captains of archers/arms, surgeons etc that would act independently of divisional commanders and /or add certain rules. Maybe I should take another look 🤔👍
@@7thson726 Is your email still the same? I’ll send you the latest version of one I’ve just finished working on. I did mail one already but you may not have got round to the email yet. I’ve done one for 3 types of commander, each with a slightly different twist.
@@Edward-Plantagenet sure it's still 7thsonwargaming@gmail.com
Sorry if I've missed one, with holidays and work it's been a bit mad
@@7thson726 no worries. The one I sent is an older version. I’ll send the new one today (it’ll have 3 profiles). Quite pleased with it 😊
@@7thson726 Sent it. Check your spam folder if you don’t see it.
Nice, nice game. I've always admired your tabletops (especially your towns), and I think the new roads you're using are superb. And I like the addition of the clock--I'm going to try that with some of my games.
Thanks for watching, i like to experiment with little things you can do in games to keep them interesting
A very dynamic game. It’s great to see when the leaders of the opposing sides are in a great mood and determined, but at the same time positive and with a bit of irony. Great game, gentlemen. Looking forward to the continuation.
Really appreciate it mate thank you. Thanks for taking the time to comment 👍
What a beautiful table ! 😍
Thank you 😁
Great battle report looked like good fun I like timer idea only thing I would do is have a choice of one or two dice
Yeah, my thinking now is to have 2D6 as standard, unless you use the generals re roll to either add 1 die or remove 1 die
Amazing game. Well delivered, i liked the game turn mechanic and am tempted to try that with other rule sets as well…. Thanks.
Cheers Graham, I was pleased with how it worked. I think next time we'll use 2D6 as standard and then if the general hasn't used his re roll for command then he can add or subtract a D6 for the roll 👍
@@7thson726 I mght also adopt this rule. Thanks for sharing
From certain angles the stained glass in the church looks like a Domino's pizza shop.... the sign of things to come??
Haha very true 😅
Was this 2nd St Albans, must be otherwise Warwick was a Yorkist and piled thru the gardens of St Albans to take the Kings forces at their rear.
Yeah it's 2nd St Albans, but essentially the final part of it
Great game looking forward to more W.O.T.R games
cheers mate, it was great fun and there is more on the way
Enjoyed - thank you, an excellent (and do-able) scenario.
Thanks very much 👍
The game's rules and setting interests me, but too much footage is looking at the dice tray. Maybe put the rolls on a ticker or a corner, let's see more models more often.
Totally get where your coming from. Its something ive played about with before but it didn't really work. I ran a poll a few times and the overwhleming majority of epople wanted the dice rolls left as it was. Also, for a ticker to work i would probably have to get another cameraso i could run it live at hte same time, otherwise i wuld have to film extra footage to fill in and im already editing 3.5 - 4hrs of game time :), i'll see if i can get some more footage of the armies and push in a bit on the summaries as we do them. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment :)
An very entertaining game. Nice scenario. Thx
Thanks mate 👍
Great game and I liked use of the variable timer:)
Cheers buddy, I was pleased with how it worked, added a sense of urgency and friction 👍
Great to see WOTR back, best one yet. More please.
That's awesome, thanks very much. Certainly more coming 👍
Where's Trollope
He stood on a caltrop so is near the queen nursing his foot 😁
@@7thson726 love it
Great set up. Curious to know if the roads are part of the cloth mat?
Thank you. The roads are made from scatter material which has, sand, grout and dried earth in it. Means I can change the layout each game 👍
@@7thson726 - really? That's interesting. Is all that just glued onto a flexible material?
@@DE-rd1zl no, no glue, I just scatter it where needed and build it up. I use a brush to move it about as needed. Once the game is done, I sweep it into a box and then shake the mat off outside and it's all sorted 👍
@@7thson726 You've got some lovely filth over there. 😇
@@7thson726 - Wow...that sounds interesting and it looks good too.
Hard to believe it's been a years since your last WOR game. Really enjoyed it - as usual. Have you thought about doing a recap at the end with either stills or an edit to discuss lessons learnt and decisions?
Glad you enjoyed it - I haven't thought of that before but I'll certainly give it some thought 🤔
Great report, really enjoyable watch!
Glad you enjoyed it!