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The tricky thing is understanding at what point you go from investor to collector. If you never sell to realize gains, you are a collector who has convinced yourself that you're an investor.
Well just like any investment strategy, you should have blue chip items, and others that you're fluid on. I tend not to focus on what I have had in the past and worry only about what I currently own and it's present value. Otherwise, you end up just collecting and sitting on everything.
This is why i LOVE having a homie with a shop. I try to utilize trades whenever I can. Trading in a stellar crown BB for a surging sparks BB plus 40 bucks cash, in person, is so much better than trying to sell it, lose on fees and shipping, then lose again when paying taxes. Use trades as much as you can!
All of this is super useful information. The only caveat I’d add is; if you’re buying in “large” quantities, or if you’re over invested into a singular set, it may make sense to sell at a 2x rather than hold. Spot on info :)
Scaplers sell out..... actually collectors understand that holding on for atleast 10 years makes it alot easyer financially to part with acouple boxes or blisters because there exponentially making a huge increase in profits. Im ofcourse just looking back on the last 10 years. Who knows what the market will be in 10 yeara but in my opinion it will be somewhat strong
3 years collecting i sold almost all of my stuff this fall/winter - all that's left is my personal graded collection, SV boxes, and a few booster boxes from SWSH. sold all my evolving skies, gotta take profits when overall you're up 150% on everything
I appreciate this topic! One of the things I struggle with the most in this space is whether to hold product or sell and snowball profits. I don't think there is a perfect answer but I do appreciate you tackling it.
Lmao 🤣 I am too lazy to sell for a 2x I can hold the boxes for years until i see atleast 5-6x. The amount of work you put listing the product dealing with annoying buyers. Shippping it is not worth it for a 2x but I am very lazy
When you only have 5 minutes to hit a sale, ie 151, prismatic, etc etc, you better have the money ready. 5 minutes is almost the time it takes to enter your card info and pay.
All of my sealed pokemon boxes I have a selling horizon of 100% gains before I sell them. I've been selling a lot of sword and shield boxes these past months, and already even flipped a lot of my surging sparks. Having dry powder in this hobby to capitalize on opportunities (these days, the opportunities seem to be in the pre-orders) is so important, and I'd say more important than the opportunity cost of holding on a product and saving a few bucks on the exit taxes.
Appreciate the detailed breakdown! Could you help me with something unrelated: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?
Great Video! I enjoy both selling some of my inventory and holding. The sales go to my stock investments, and I make enough money to buy the new stuff. in the end, it’s all fun for me.🔥💪😎
Man you make such great content that people need to hear. Thank you for keeping us entertained while making me some great gains in 2024 while my real estate holdings broke even if I’m lucky.
There is a secret with tcgplayer fees that I feel like no one knows about. Either you don't know it or you are keeping it on the DL too :). Either way great video you are the man Alex
The struggle I have is moving one booster box or a low quantity item in my "inventory" to a sealed case of a booster box or PC ETB's. What are your thoughts?
Then a lot of us in the US will get hit with 28% long term capital gains tax on profits if we sell items we held for over a year? I'll admit I get confused on this, and there seems to be both good and misleading info out there. In a nutshell navigating 1099k reporting, tax advantages of short vs. long term holds, business vs. hobby status, etc. Using rough numbers: I bought FS booster box for $150 from Pokemon Center on 01/14/24. If I sell it next year after 01/14/25 for $300, then I profited $150 which means $40 in taxes. Maybe $45 in selling fees, and $20 for shipping. So I'm left with $300 - $40 - $45 - $20 = $195. I still make money ($45) but doesn't feel worth it for the effort. If I wait until FS hits $1000 then I net about $440 in profit. Another example may be my ES booster, my total cost is $480, It's worth roughly double. But man taxes, fees, shipping are going to eat up a big chunk of the gains.
It's a little trickier than slapping the 28% IRS collectibles long term cap gain tax rate, especially if you have a legal entity you're selling these things under. Income derived from your business purpose (pokemon cards for example) would technically be considered ordinary in nature, thus subjecting you to ordinary tax rates. For some, that's an advantage as the ordinary rate is less than 28% for most households. If you have some semblance of records (tracking inventory, basis, fair market value on items) and keeping tabs on expenses in excel/google sheets, you can easily make the argument that your "hobby" is a business. There are more nuances to that determination, but in a nutshell it's a lot of navigating the tax code and applying what fits to your situation.
I would sell in person and not pay taxes. Rich people barely pay taxes, that’s one of the reasons they’re rich in the first place, we shouldn’t feel bad about it, they won’t even cover your pokemon cards in the event of a fire so I sure as hell am not paying taxes unless I have to. Paying taxes has gotten us nowhere Hell even Alex says he has a sales tax certificate to avoid paying taxes, I’m not going to jump through hoops like an animal to avoid paying something every business doesn’t pay. I don’t feel bad, the government doesn’t give out financial support when you need it anyway so what’s the point of paying the tax 🤷♂️
Honest question here, would you then suggest that it is better to sell only when you are ready to get rid of your collection? For the most part i collect/invest for long term hold (15 to 20 years) but recently ive been buying extra sealed products with the intention to reduce my cost basis, is that not a good idea? Thanks for your great insights as always!
I do think undeniably you’re assuming more risk flipping investments on a short term scale. If you have an appreciating asset, and its value has already exponentially increased since you bought it, it’s much safer to keep appreciating value and hold it. The only downside is you can’t make a ton of money doing this. The cases where cards 100x or 1000x are very rare and in those scenarios it’s an accrued appreciation over the span of decades. There’s pros and cons to both, but I do take the same opinion as you. Thanks for the amazing video.
This is great! I’ve seen many investors suggest growing outside income is the way to grow your portfolio best. I don’t have much cash to turnaround, so selling funds my next deal, but only when the current price and fees is worth the sale. Thanks, Alex!
Even with an amazing LGS behind us, mentoring us and providing product at discounted prices, we still have to sell smartly. People really dont think of the fees, and ultimately lose so much money moving product too early. Gas money, shipping materials and fees, platform fees, etc.. it's brutal.
I would love to hear you speculate about the 1-3 mega Pokémon sets that will come with Pokémon ZA. Or what you expect to see for year four of scarlet and violet since we havnt experience this type of thing for a very long time.
I get the logic but you missed a key point, that as product matures, the values reach a point where buyers are limited, making it much harder to sell than profiting on the way up. You end up undercutting the market just to move out of positions, it is a balance. If you invest never to sell, there's no point investing at all.
I think there are three strategies only investment hold it forever maximize return one day, collector, Just keep your collection never sell it probably pass it down reseller by low sell high maximize margin.
I thought id never sell and just stack up millions. Then money ran out lol. I find such good deals that im flipping pokemon now cause i need more money to keep buying.
What? Alex made a while video about NOT selling? Aren't you the one who creates FOMO? The master of the pump and dump? Only in it for himself? And yet you made a very logical mathematical video explaining why you shouldn't sell? Preposterous!
This is a possible in person sales will net you a higher return but it does come with some problems. If you’re still planning to pay longterm capital gains it’s easier but if you’re wanting to keep as much as possible you will be limited by people who are willing to pay in cash. I don’t know how big of a position you have but selling on fb marketplace locally will also help it will take you awhile to move most things but if you don’t need the money immediately it will net you the most profit.
@@TacticalPeace Nice! Thanks on the advice! I’m long term collector & do have personal attachment to most my stuff. I would wait until big pokemon anniversaries for me to go out & sale. I’m definitely not in a rush, so this tactic might be the one for me.
Selling over $600 on the secondary market, No one is exempt from either having a taxable identification number/and or having a secondhand dealers licence correct? Capital gains taxation to be taken into account? Do all these sellers keep physical proof of said buying and selling of pokemon product on the secondary market as proof for irs collections? 😅
Hey Alex! Great content. Wondering if you could touch on something...obviously you do a lot of box breaks/rip and ships with recent sets. Do you consider the investment side of your holdings vs. that side of your business as two separate operations/mindsets, since you're saying here that you wouldn't sell sets that have those quick immediate gains? Hoping this makes sense. Obviously I understand there is value to doing the rip and ships beyond just the sale price of the packs --- building the community, video views etc.
@@NostalgiaNomics that's what I figured. Phenomenal content man, makes me happy to see the sub counts on channels like yours go through the roof. Keep grinding.
Just got 5 different etbs i didnt have yet from s&v for $40 each. At this point, that's a deal with these etbs jumping up to $60, $80 within a few months
Im extremely new to pokemon investing started in August. Trying something new. I mostly bought crypto up until this point. Im up pretty good because both are booming. But Im not gonna lie, ive amassed some pokemon debt... and the itch to sell is there. But i also seems like we ain't done climbing. So for now, your strength gives me strength😅
Nobody is talking about other countries investment in Pokemon. It's hard and barely make any money. US is the best place to make money with Pokemon.... 😢
I agree with the sentiment of the video as a whole and I’m not sure if it was off the top of your head but I think your argument that $1000 item staying $1000 is better than $900 going to $990 is flawed
@ right if you were to sell the $1000 item the fees and shipping would be applied also but if you include the additional $100 dollars that was left over after purchasing the $900 box it is still better I believe to have the item that went from $900 to $990 and the remaining $100 than the $1000 item that didn’t change. Again I really agree with the sentiment overall of the video but this particular example just doesn’t make sense to me. Thank you for all the videos I am a fan
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Alex, you think you could make a video explaining the resellers permit, how to get it, how to actually use it etc, think it’d be helpful to people
Will Do!
I second this. I've got the envelopes and the team bags but not a lot of business knowledge 💯
3rd this
I actually googled this yesterday. It seems like a couple forms more or less combined with an LLC and you should be good to go.
@@NostalgiaNomics We just found out about this, please do a video on it! Appreciate you!
The tricky thing is understanding at what point you go from investor to collector. If you never sell to realize gains, you are a collector who has convinced yourself that you're an investor.
What about lorg term investors? I think Pokémon is gonna make to at least 50 years. What am I considered as?😂😂😂
@@GraceWilsonFarmsretirement time frame investor collector 😂.
Well just like any investment strategy, you should have blue chip items, and others that you're fluid on. I tend not to focus on what I have had in the past and worry only about what I currently own and it's present value. Otherwise, you end up just collecting and sitting on everything.
@@KurtHokage whats Pokemon Center Prismatic Etbs gonna be like on a 50th anniversary year?
Man, you’re pumping out videos like crazy lately!!! Keep em coming, please!!!
This is why i LOVE having a homie with a shop. I try to utilize trades whenever I can. Trading in a stellar crown BB for a surging sparks BB plus 40 bucks cash, in person, is so much better than trying to sell it, lose on fees and shipping, then lose again when paying taxes. Use trades as much as you can!
Ngl, best TH-cam Pokemon investing channel hands down
@@supertony8841 Really appreciate you. Thank you!
I’ve been collecting for years. I throw it in a bin and not even think about it
All of this is super useful information. The only caveat I’d add is; if you’re buying in “large” quantities, or if you’re over invested into a singular set, it may make sense to sell at a 2x rather than hold. Spot on info :)
Not necessarily, but definitely less risky and more liquid. Also more work though and depends on your funds and how each set in particular perform.
My worst mistake is getting a wild hair up my butt and ripping into something I intended to keep sealed because I'm feeling lucky... lol
I battle this weekly… it gets easier I promise lol
I ripped a stellar crown bb and won’t rip anything else ever again lol
Selling all of my Terestal Featival. Can practically double my money already and it’s definitely getting reprinted.
smart! im thinking of selling mine as well and buying it back once it goes down. It will get reprinted many times anyway. It's just a game of patience
Sounds an awful lot like what people said about ES, and we know how that went lol
@ evolving skies was reprinted 3 times…..
Scaplers sell out..... actually collectors understand that holding on for atleast 10 years makes it alot easyer financially to part with acouple boxes or blisters because there exponentially making a huge increase in profits. Im ofcourse just looking back on the last 10 years. Who knows what the market will be in 10 yeara but in my opinion it will be somewhat strong
Brother out of all the things you have on your shelf . The dbz vhs set just brings me back lol awesome collection!
3 years collecting i sold almost all of my stuff this fall/winter - all that's left is my personal graded collection, SV boxes, and a few booster boxes from SWSH. sold all my evolving skies, gotta take profits when overall you're up 150% on everything
but if you dont sell, how you gonna get more money to buy more?
I appreciate this topic! One of the things I struggle with the most in this space is whether to hold product or sell and snowball profits. I don't think there is a perfect answer but I do appreciate you tackling it.
I’ve been considering selling my breakpoint booster box a while ago but I held on and it’s huge now!!
💎 👐 👍🏻
Real Chads buy high and sell low, gives their competitors a handicap 💪
Lmao 🤣 I am too lazy to sell for a 2x I can hold the boxes for years until i see atleast 5-6x. The amount of work you put listing the product dealing with annoying buyers. Shippping it is not worth it for a 2x but I am very lazy
What if the tcg market collapses then. Until you sell you only got paper gains.
If all my 151 product goes down, I will still be happy just simply opening it all up.
I'm so happy we no longer pay any fees to use eBay in the UK 🇬🇧. The 13% used to be a killer!
When you only have 5 minutes to hit a sale, ie 151, prismatic, etc etc, you better have the money ready. 5 minutes is almost the time it takes to enter your card info and pay.
All of my sealed pokemon boxes I have a selling horizon of 100% gains before I sell them. I've been selling a lot of sword and shield boxes these past months, and already even flipped a lot of my surging sparks. Having dry powder in this hobby to capitalize on opportunities (these days, the opportunities seem to be in the pre-orders) is so important, and I'd say more important than the opportunity cost of holding on a product and saving a few bucks on the exit taxes.
Appreciate the detailed breakdown! Could you help me with something unrelated: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?
Great Video! I enjoy both selling some of my inventory and holding. The sales go to my stock investments, and I make enough money to buy the new stuff. in the end, it’s all fun for me.🔥💪😎
I’m trying to get into selling singles and graded cards I’m just trying to figure out which cards to invest in low
Man you make such great content that people need to hear. Thank you for keeping us entertained while making me some great gains in 2024 while my real estate holdings broke even if I’m lucky.
Appreciate you brother! Haha sorry to hear about the real estate. Maybe 2025 will be the year!!
There is a secret with tcgplayer fees that I feel like no one knows about. Either you don't know it or you are keeping it on the DL too :). Either way great video you are the man Alex
The struggle I have is moving one booster box or a low quantity item in my "inventory" to a sealed case of a booster box or PC ETB's. What are your thoughts?
@@MistaBoyerman Everyone is different. I would say whatever you feel more comfortable with
@@NostalgiaNomics I agree. I think you said right as well, those gains are hard to make up later down the line.
Then a lot of us in the US will get hit with 28% long term capital gains tax on profits if we sell items we held for over a year? I'll admit I get confused on this, and there seems to be both good and misleading info out there. In a nutshell navigating 1099k reporting, tax advantages of short vs. long term holds, business vs. hobby status, etc.
Using rough numbers: I bought FS booster box for $150 from Pokemon Center on 01/14/24. If I sell it next year after 01/14/25 for $300, then I profited $150 which means $40 in taxes. Maybe $45 in selling fees, and $20 for shipping. So I'm left with $300 - $40 - $45 - $20 = $195. I still make money ($45) but doesn't feel worth it for the effort.
If I wait until FS hits $1000 then I net about $440 in profit. Another example may be my ES booster, my total cost is $480, It's worth roughly double. But man taxes, fees, shipping are going to eat up a big chunk of the gains.
Exactly no one talks about these things, yeah your always making money but you need alot of capital to make big gains.
It's a little trickier than slapping the 28% IRS collectibles long term cap gain tax rate, especially if you have a legal entity you're selling these things under. Income derived from your business purpose (pokemon cards for example) would technically be considered ordinary in nature, thus subjecting you to ordinary tax rates. For some, that's an advantage as the ordinary rate is less than 28% for most households. If you have some semblance of records (tracking inventory, basis, fair market value on items) and keeping tabs on expenses in excel/google sheets, you can easily make the argument that your "hobby" is a business. There are more nuances to that determination, but in a nutshell it's a lot of navigating the tax code and applying what fits to your situation.
I would sell in person and not pay taxes. Rich people barely pay taxes, that’s one of the reasons they’re rich in the first place, we shouldn’t feel bad about it, they won’t even cover your pokemon cards in the event of a fire so I sure as hell am not paying taxes unless I have to. Paying taxes has gotten us nowhere
Hell even Alex says he has a sales tax certificate to avoid paying taxes, I’m not going to jump through hoops like an animal to avoid paying something every business doesn’t pay. I don’t feel bad, the government doesn’t give out financial support when you need it anyway so what’s the point of paying the tax 🤷♂️
Honest question here, would you then suggest that it is better to sell only when you are ready to get rid of your collection? For the most part i collect/invest for long term hold (15 to 20 years) but recently ive been buying extra sealed products with the intention to reduce my cost basis, is that not a good idea? Thanks for your great insights as always!
Timing is different for everyone for a slew of different reasons. Impossible to answer..
I do think undeniably you’re assuming more risk flipping investments on a short term scale. If you have an appreciating asset, and its value has already exponentially increased since you bought it, it’s much safer to keep appreciating value and hold it. The only downside is you can’t make a ton of money doing this. The cases where cards 100x or 1000x are very rare and in those scenarios it’s an accrued appreciation over the span of decades. There’s pros and cons to both, but I do take the same opinion as you. Thanks for the amazing video.
This is great! I’ve seen many investors suggest growing outside income is the way to grow your portfolio best. I don’t have much cash to turnaround, so selling funds my next deal, but only when the current price and fees is worth the sale. Thanks, Alex!
Even with an amazing LGS behind us, mentoring us and providing product at discounted prices, we still have to sell smartly.
People really dont think of the fees, and ultimately lose so much money moving product too early.
Gas money, shipping materials and fees, platform fees, etc.. it's brutal.
Do you have an affilate link to the collectr app
I do not..
Also time is money. And that can’t be quantified in dollars and cents. Just a thought.
I would love to hear you speculate about the 1-3 mega Pokémon sets that will come with Pokémon ZA. Or what you expect to see for year four of scarlet and violet since we havnt experience this type of thing for a very long time.
Nice examples. I would rather hold as well because of the work involved in buying and selling and I usually miss the item I sold.
Just had my second sale. And your vids are helping me with the ebay sales
I get the logic but you missed a key point, that as product matures, the values reach a point where buyers are limited, making it much harder to sell than profiting on the way up. You end up undercutting the market just to move out of positions, it is a balance. If you invest never to sell, there's no point investing at all.
I think there are three strategies only investment hold it forever maximize return one day, collector, Just keep your collection never sell it probably pass it down reseller by low sell high maximize margin.
I thought id never sell and just stack up millions. Then money ran out lol. I find such good deals that im flipping pokemon now cause i need more money to keep buying.
What? Alex made a while video about NOT selling? Aren't you the one who creates FOMO? The master of the pump and dump? Only in it for himself? And yet you made a very logical mathematical video explaining why you shouldn't sell? Preposterous!
My mindset since X/Y era just be ready to hold off on selling for the 10 year window but I certainly had my doubts But NOW is my time!
What do you think about taking your cards to a trade-show and selling them in person? You’ll be able to avoid the eBay tax. Thoughts?
This is a possible in person sales will net you a higher return but it does come with some problems. If you’re still planning to pay longterm capital gains it’s easier but if you’re wanting to keep as much as possible you will be limited by people who are willing to pay in cash. I don’t know how big of a position you have but selling on fb marketplace locally will also help it will take you awhile to move most things but if you don’t need the money immediately it will net you the most profit.
@@TacticalPeace Nice! Thanks on the advice! I’m long term collector & do have personal attachment to most my stuff. I would wait until big pokemon anniversaries for me to go out & sale. I’m definitely not in a rush, so this tactic might be the one for me.
yo, can i get a link to those shelves in the background? look clean as hell
Just Home Depot lol
🗣️ Young Folks…this is a lesson, not a lecture. 💎
Evolving skies was stuck at $600 a box for 6 months, now look… just saying
Selling over $600 on the secondary market, No one is exempt from either having a taxable identification number/and or having a secondhand dealers licence correct? Capital gains taxation to be taken into account? Do all these sellers keep physical proof of said buying and selling of pokemon product on the secondary market as proof for irs collections? 😅
Hey Alex! Great content. Wondering if you could touch on something...obviously you do a lot of box breaks/rip and ships with recent sets. Do you consider the investment side of your holdings vs. that side of your business as two separate operations/mindsets, since you're saying here that you wouldn't sell sets that have those quick immediate gains? Hoping this makes sense. Obviously I understand there is value to doing the rip and ships beyond just the sale price of the packs --- building the community, video views etc.
Absolutely. They are kept completely seperate
@@NostalgiaNomics that's what I figured. Phenomenal content man, makes me happy to see the sub counts on channels like yours go through the roof. Keep grinding.
Just got 5 different etbs i didnt have yet from s&v for $40 each. At this point, that's a deal with these etbs jumping up to $60, $80 within a few months
This guy just called all his customers STUPID 7:57 😂😂😂
@@ChickenCrewNews Not my customers. I don't sell to those people 😆
I think he was talking about a certain type of customers tht ask stupid questions. not his entire customer base.
Folks! Happy Monday. Let’s get at it this week
And to finish your statement, it’s if you’re out of the market for the two highest days during a rally that you essentially miss it
Reinvesting only work with newer sets like surging sparks
Im extremely new to pokemon investing started in August. Trying something new. I mostly bought crypto up until this point. Im up pretty good because both are booming. But Im not gonna lie, ive amassed some pokemon debt... and the itch to sell is there. But i also seems like we ain't done climbing. So for now, your strength gives me strength😅
Got prismatic evolution at msrp lets go today is good 12 poster collection for 60 packs at 4.56 a pack 🎉🎉🎉🙌
My specialty set display cases are not for sale.
Nobody is talking about other countries investment in Pokemon. It's hard and barely make any money. US is the best place to make money with Pokemon.... 😢
Solid advice as always.
Buy everything!? Got it Alex!
Investors are patient af, i cant buy a booster withouth opening it on the spot 😂 then again im not an investor and more of a collector
I agree with the sentiment of the video as a whole and I’m not sure if it was off the top of your head but I think your argument that $1000 item staying $1000 is better than $900 going to $990 is flawed
If you sold that item for a 10% or more fee and shipping it's not. It's all about growing your portfolio size.
@ right if you were to sell the $1000 item the fees and shipping would be applied also but if you include the additional $100 dollars that was left over after purchasing the $900 box it is still better I believe to have the item that went from $900 to $990 and the remaining $100 than the $1000 item that didn’t change. Again I really agree with the sentiment overall of the video but this particular example just doesn’t make sense to me. Thank you for all the videos I am a fan
I'm a simple man. I hear "FOLKS", I watch.
Hold forever! Great video as always Alex!
So you don’t want us to sell, so you can sell more yourself? Outrageous
What sealed product am i selling lol?
I remember when it went free like in 2018
Great advice and breakdown.
Diamond hands
Thanks for the info 🥃
this is why prices are still high lol
Folks Gang!
Im gunna start saying "guys!" for my videos intros rofl!
Where can i get pizza slices that grow? Pizza lover that needs to know
Alpha was first
The like acknowledged it and I am now satisfied and will no longer silly troll
Btw awesome videos homie
I'm kinda confused. You don't sell? Ok.
Folks! ☕️
im the og, dont copy the swag yall......
FOLKS!
DIAMOND HANDS BABBBBYYY.!! 😂
Dont forget to pay your income taxes!
That explains it all😂
But I need money to buy more stuff lol
Why is everyone treating this hobby as a way to make profit? Lol
Well you are watching a Pokemon INVESTING Channel lol. Could be part of the problem...
Because Alex and many of us have made money and why would we not continue to?
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I’ve been collecting for years. I throw it in a bin and not even think about it.
Just make sure you don’t put it in the recycle bin by accident
Same but a nice closet for me If I want to sell I plan to take some sealed stuff to some conventions in like 20 years
I do the exact same thing 😅
I have a metal vault in my closet, everything goes in a box and sealed air tight.