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That's one of the most beautiful analog inspirations I ever heard. The use of the sequencer is a really beautiful thing. There's nothing more beautiful than analog synths!!
That little "Toy" sequencer really is the beginning of so much fun and great music. If it were any more elaborate, it would lose its charm and "sex appeal"
@06.10 - absolutely beautiful sequence and when the lower chords come in - stunning! Your whole video Jexus is also the reason why I bought a JX3P, it was delivered last week :-) Thanks for the inspiration!
Brings back happy memories when I owned one of these in my synth arsenal so so long ago. Didn't have the control box though for long. I think I played mine to death. Still playing synths/keyboards 36 years later, although VST/DAW's now.
Also had a JX-8P (and still have alpha junos), they were all software envelopes after the Juno 60 (including the Jupiter 6), and it does make a difference in some applications. The early ones shared the same IR3101 envelopes, later on it was software.
@MyBrownclown most praise you hear for the JX-3P is for its undeniably vintage sound, so it's probably not the first choice if you're going for "modern" sounds, but it IS capable of such sounds if programmed and EQ'd correctly (the sequencer is great for trancey gated pads). it's strength is definitely adding vintage character to tracks, and it works beautifully alongside more modern synths like the virus.
This is a GREAT synth, the presets give a decent idea of what it can do, but it is SOOOO much better than that, you guys. It'll sound like a Juno. It is a Juno without the cost for buying new parts every year as far as I'm concerned. VERY underrated. VERY VERY cool and relevant synth today. I got an improved MIDI kit for it, too!
@arnieslove yes.. once a sequence has been entered, holding the transpose button and pressing a single key on the keyboard will transpose it up to that key. you can also latch a chord and then transpose it using the same functionality.. very cool feature.
the 106 is the only one that has unison. The JX and JU-60 are before roland made a separate lookup table for the interval timers. While you can stack the voices using midi or the sequencer, the effect is nil as they can't do separate tunings for each voice.
*jealous* again, especially the PG200 for only £90! When I get the KIWI mod done I can use a generic midi box so all's not lost. Thanks also for the chat, I love discussing the technical side of synths as much as playing them. Good luck with the new album, I look forward to hearing it when you've finished it :-) P.S. I did pick up a Korg DW8000 last year for only £175, and though it's a analogue/ digital hybrid it's one of the last synth bargains still out there ;-)
@arnieslove the MIDI is primitive in that it only sends/receives note data, not parameter changes. the sequencer is actually disabled when you switch to MIDI mode, so you unfortunately can't send sequencer notes out as MIDI. you can however trigger the sequencer steps with a gate or trigger out to sync it with a DAW or other instruments, which is just as useful IMO.. you can always just replicate the same sequence in MIDI.
Thanks! in the end you've convinced me! I bought a JX-3P although aveo already a JX-8P with programmer, a Korg MS-20, an Arp Odyssey (congratulations for the other video) a Chroma Polaris, a Sequential Circuits Multitrack and other less interesting... You have a lot of style and your videos are funny!
@infesticon.. I have JX-3P. I bought it at a used shop and carried it out by hand, walking through the rain all the way home. I think JX-3P is light and pretty tough. I think the heaviest Roland keyboard is the Jupiter-4, which I bought but could not carry out the store so I had it shipped instead. JP-4 weighs a ton compared to JX-3P.
it's a really nice synth, the filter is a bit on the raspy side but it works well for some kinds of music, and if you keep the cutoff fairly low it sound incredibly warm
The VCR tracking problems, if artifically created, are ingenious. There's nothing about these vids that look like they were made in any time but the '80s. The music, sounds, synths, clothes, sunglasses, text, and video effects are all perfect. Even your damn hair is perfect. In every nostalgic movie I've ever seen, there's always something to tip you off that it was only just recently made. Nice Terminator theme cover by the way... :o)
My first polysynth and the the most underrated analogue out there. Got two now with Organix upgrades (PG200 + MIDI +++) Now looking for a third one to put a Kiwi upgrade on. Look up Kiwi JX3P - they've done some mad wizardry! If you're looking for your first proper analogue, this is it. Not hard to program without the PG-200, unlike the 8P. Top tip - if you find you can't get good bass patches, make sure the HPF is turned down. Some numptys think this thing can't do bass. Trust me - it can.
ftr my JX-3P cost £150 and the PG-200 I got for £90 - though it was as you say before they started to rise. Anyway, enough synth chat - good discussion. all the best! :)
@FOCtv people who think it's a thin or poor sounding synth haven't ventured past the presets or don't know how to properly program. it's capable of some massive sounds that most would have a hard time differentiating from a jupiter 8.
@1986uno45s The upgrade allows simultaneous use of a PG-200 and MIDI at the same time but the new additions (2nd LFO, 2nd envelope, portamento, etc) aren't accessible with the PG-200. You would have to use the regular parameter/sense slider method or Kiwi's new Patch Editor box (can be used on any Roland synth that needed a programmer and some others like the Matrix 1000)
Here is a mod to make your JX-3p sound even better: Solder wires from the POLY OUT test point and the GND test pointnext to it. They're located on the upper left part of the mainboard, surrounded by small yellow plastic. Solder the POLY OUT wire to a 1/4 inch audio jack positive terminal. Wire the GND to the negative terminal of the audio jack. Mount the jack somewhere. It bypasses the chorus unit, volume, and the useless highpass filter. You get less hiss, more bass and treble response.
Regarding the JX3P's filter, according to Wiki: "The VCF was based on the custom Roland IR3109 IC (also used in the filter circuits of the Jupiter-6, later Jupiter-4 units, MKS-80 rev 4, Juno-6/Juno-60, SH-101, MC-202, JX-3P and packaged in the 80017a chip used in the Juno-106 and MKS-30 among others)." So the filter is the same as in other Roland analogue classics, inc Jupiter 8! The key to get thicker, warmer sounds on the JX3P is to make sure the High Pass filter is turned right down ;-)
And yes, I have my 3P modded with organix mod and have a PG-200 and have owned it for years. Have got so many great bass sounds out of it (Some that sound thicker than the Juno) so I'm all too aware of how good/under-rated the 3P is. Wasn't my point at all! I was only talking filter differences. I love both the 3P and the Juno 60. I'm just not keen on the 106! Jexus,, according to his website, thinks similarly.
thanks! and for buying it. R25 was more of an offshoot from my usual style but the second album will be a bit more like that. Can you believe I even get any music done when I'm debating synth/filter idiosyncrasies on the net night and day? haha! it's about the music so I'd better get back to it! :)
I'm agreeing with you! The filters are physically the same, though their applications are different as is very apparent in all the different models that it is fitted to. I also know your song 'Rewind 25' very well, I bought it and it gets very regular airings on my MP3 player! ;-) Wish you would do an entire album in this style!
JX-3P... GET THIS SYNTH! I got one, and it sounds AWESOME, as this Jexus video proves. The JX-3P would have been a #1 big hit synth in 1983, it was a ground breaking synth of the original analog era, first MIDI synth, first Roland with a sequencer, black tough metal construction. BUT unfortunately released in the same year as the infamous YAMAHA DX-7, which totally digitalized the game, and made minimalist interfaces cool, despite being inconvenient for tweaking. LOL
I agree that the Juno 6/ 60 have a smoother sound that is more 'pleasant' in some instances. However, the JX3P has way more options and flexibility for soundscaping, and what it lacks in 'warmth' it gains in a much wider sonic palate that the Junos can only dream of. Also, switch the chorus on, turn the HPF right down, set both DCO's to 16', detune DCO2 to the lowest setting and set the ADSR to a fast/ snappy curve and you can get some very punchy and thick bass that cuts through a mix great!
The VCF filter chip (IR3109) IS exactly the same in the aforementioned Roland models, though you are very right that the surrounding circuitry also makes a difference. All the Roland models that share this VCF chip have individual sounds and characters indicating that this is very much the case. I feel that the Juno 6/ 60 derive much of their warmth from the onboard chorus and also the inclusion of a sub oscillator. A shame that the JX3P didn't get a sub oscillator too.
possibly, and I think the J60 sounds 'closer' to the JP-8 than the JP-6 does (in the filter). When I bought organix, kiwi wasn't even hinted at or I'd have waited too. Having said that, Kiwi is a lot harder to fit by the looks of it and I get on fine without the extra features (but I would like some of them!).
Well I'm agreeing with your agreeing then! ;) - Just wanted to make it clear I wasn't say overall the Juno 60 is 'better' than the 3P (or that the 3P is bad somehow), yes the filter isn't quite as good on the 3P but look at what extras you get! great synth! As said they both have their character/uses.
Yes about the hardware vs software envelopes all too well. The reason I bought a Juno 60 was for the envelopes, need the speed for fast arpeggios/sequences - though JX-3P isn't too shabby it's not as fast on the attack.
I meant that some 3P owners adjusted the resonance at the same time as fitting the KIWI mod, and with the extra features the resonance became a different (wilder) animal! We do agree that all these Rolands have their individual strengths and weaknesses, despite sharing some of the same circuitry. The 3P has been very underrated for a while, though prices are now on the rise as people are realising just how good they are under the skin (mine cost £168!). As for your £350 Juno 60 - *jealous*!
so in order of pleasing sound: Juno 60 (or 6) JX-3P (slightly less good filter but the 2 Oscs can really thicken things up) Juno 106 (has the lesser filter setup of the 3p and only one osc = not great)
You dont need the kiwi mod to adjust the res! I have adjusted the res as far as it will go in mine, the self oscillation is then 'closer' in effect but not in tone! I've compared it un-tweaked and tweaked. Whatever roland did to the 3P they also did to the 106 in my opinion and it's an evolution of the orignal setup in the 6/60/8 - then obviously they moved to IR3105 in the 8P/Alpha junos which is far weaker sounding (but still good for it's applications) BTW my Juno 60 cost £350 :)
Very much so, and apparently some of that is down to the JP8/ J6 & 60 having more hardware envelopes, compared with the J6 having software envelopes (as does the JX3P). The JX8P also had software envelopes, which are often criticised for being too slow. I feel that a lot is down to the control of the IR3019 filter also, with the JP8 + J6/60 not being restricted to digital stepping (software controlled) as per the later Rolands with MIDI.
The only thing that gave it away was that Terminator was theatrically released in 1984, and the video supposedly is from 1983...otherwise spot on, man. Spot on!
a totally 80's synth, with some great flexibility...what more could a vintage freak want ;-) i hear the sound of Orbital's 1st album there, among others
I like the sound of it! The beginning riff is too dang catchy! Amazing. I'm a total synth nerd, but I really dig old school 80s synths. Much more amazing than these stupid digital keyboards we have nowadays...with the pre-programmed sounds...
thats the PG-200 programmer, costs as much as the synth itself!. you can program it without the pg, but its a pain in the rear. there is a brand new clone called the DT-200 you can buy, or there's the JX-3P midi expansion kit which will respond to MIDI CC messages, or top of the range is the KIWI-3P.
I believe we're getting slightly crossed wires here. My point is that though the physical VCF chip is the same, I agree that the surrounding circuitry makes a difference, hence all the Roland models with this VCF have unique characters. I also agree that the in the JX3 the filter isn't as smooth as the Junos (it's very steppy in fact), and the resonance isn't as smooth either. Then again, that's what also gives the JX3 some of its 'gritty' sound :)
@shayeasy thanks that's very kind of you. I somehow imagined that...very good synth anyway.,I guess you don't have that problem with a jx8p. I own an OB12 and I'm not completely happy neither with the sound nor the sequencer/transposer...
@harbl666 yeah, the problem with that is that i am using a PC as the midi controller, so I want to have the jX8, jx3 and tr707 all on the same chain. Looks like I'm going to have to use a MIDI splitter.
@1986uno45s The BCR2000 should work, as would a Kenton Control Freak or any other box that can send MIDI CC's. Of course you'll have to manually program them. :-)
@theHackerOfMayhem picking up one tomorrow for a great price I'm excited to put it on top of my juno60. I've heard so many things... I hope the jx3p cuts thru the mix, because my juno 106 never did
Sorry, I'm clearly NOT debating how good the 3P is vs the Juno at all. You've misread me. I merely pointed out it's a fallacy to say the filters are 'the same' when they SOUND different (regardless of on paper spec/chip). I told you I love the 3P? have used one for years and know it inside out - if you care to check my channel the song I have on there is written on the 3P and even mentions it in the lyrics! :) that's how much I like it! I know it's flexible versus junos too, but Juno 60 is great
I know exactly how you feel even though mine came in 4 business days. :p But the sensation of anticipation melting away makes up for the wait no matter how long.
If you're like me, you probably have wanted more videos showing what the JX is capable of in terms of ambient styles. I recorded this with only the JX and a Big Sky
BTW you seem to be reading wiki and getting your findings from that? I actually have them all in front of me and have tested the filters for hours on all those synths, it clearly isnt' just a case of 'it has the same ir3109 as the Jupiter 8' they sound different, do a resonant sweep on a Juno 60 vs a 106/3P - totally different tone. So all I was saying is that the 106 has more of the 3P filter character than the 6/60/jp8.
Yes I know it's exactly the same chip. I have all the synths here and have compared them extensively inside and out. The filter does sound a lot different on the 3P vs the Juno 6/60+JP-8, that's all I'm saying. I compare with chorus off!? I barely use chorus on any of the synths. It's not about thickness, it's about filter at high resonance and cut off and that is where they differ, juno=smooth jx/106=not. The cut off actual opens more on the Juno vs the 3P too. I like both synths as said.
@robocelot Thanks for the information! Would something like the Behringer BCR2000 also work with the new additions? Oh, and I took delivery of my JX3P last week :-) Now I will be saving up for the Kiwi upgrade chip!
Maybe it's not the filter itself then, but it does sound quite raspy when you turn the cutoff freq. up (at least mine does). Maybe this is the problem (source retrosynth): "The oscillators' frequency is derived from a master clock which is divided by an even integer to obtain a close approximate pitch. This method never allows the oscillators to produce a pure pitch across the entire range, and is probably accountable for the JX-3P's somewhat harsh sound"
The Organix mod looks good, though with all the extra features the KIWI offers I think I will save for a little longer to get that. Interesting that the JX3P and Juno 106 get different results from the filter when compared with the Juno 6/ 60 and Jupiter 8. I wonder if the inclusion of MIDI has something to do with that (and the stepping)? And I wonder if the Jupiter 6, also MIDI equipped, was affected in the same way as some don't like its sound compared with the Jupiter 8?
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That's one of the most beautiful analog inspirations I ever heard. The use of the sequencer is a really beautiful thing. There's nothing more beautiful than analog synths!!
That little "Toy" sequencer really is the beginning of so much fun and great music. If it were any more elaborate, it would lose its charm and "sex appeal"
I think this is WC Olo Garb's best demo vid. I just love the tunes and sounds.
yes, this video put me seeking jx-3p + pg200 and finally acquired them
jx and j8 are overpriced bullshit and this video shows it
What'd it cost you?
@@nobodyneverknows nah man great synth but def overpriced
wow, 2:26 is awesome. Love the VHS recording too
4:41 That's what Roland sounds like!
The foot tapping 4.20 is an excellent edit, even the sound drops in volume!
@06.10 - absolutely beautiful sequence and when the lower chords come in - stunning! Your whole video Jexus is also the reason why I bought a JX3P, it was delivered last week :-) Thanks for the inspiration!
Brings back happy memories when I owned one of these in my synth arsenal so so long ago. Didn't have the control box though for long. I think I played mine to death. Still playing synths/keyboards 36 years later, although VST/DAW's now.
its a spoof demo
love this demo - very raw but super musical
5:50 terminator
4:41 sounds really great
Also had a JX-8P (and still have alpha junos), they were all software envelopes after the Juno 60 (including the Jupiter 6), and it does make a difference in some applications. The early ones shared the same IR3101 envelopes, later on it was software.
Just purchased one! That terminator shit sold me. Found one on eBay with the pg 200
@MyBrownclown most praise you hear for the JX-3P is for its undeniably vintage sound, so it's probably not the first choice if you're going for "modern" sounds, but it IS capable of such sounds if programmed and EQ'd correctly (the sequencer is great for trancey gated pads). it's strength is definitely adding vintage character to tracks, and it works beautifully alongside more modern synths like the virus.
This is a GREAT synth, the presets give a decent idea of what it can do, but it is SOOOO much better than that, you guys. It'll sound like a Juno. It is a Juno without the cost for buying new parts every year as far as I'm concerned. VERY underrated. VERY VERY cool and relevant synth today. I got an improved MIDI kit for it, too!
This is definately the top synth video I've seen on here, it sounds so powerful and tight...damn, foo! That shit is amazing!
@arnieslove yes.. once a sequence has been entered, holding the transpose button and pressing a single key on the keyboard will transpose it up to that key. you can also latch a chord and then transpose it using the same functionality.. very cool feature.
Thanks for the great Demo. Nice sounds and playing vibe.
Suddenly I want one of these!
the 106 is the only one that has unison. The JX and JU-60 are before roland made a separate lookup table for the interval timers. While you can stack the voices using midi or the sequencer, the effect is nil as they can't do separate tunings for each voice.
*jealous* again, especially the PG200 for only £90! When I get the KIWI mod done I can use a generic midi box so all's not lost. Thanks also for the chat, I love discussing the technical side of synths as much as playing them. Good luck with the new album, I look forward to hearing it when you've finished it :-) P.S. I did pick up a Korg DW8000 last year for only £175, and though it's a analogue/ digital hybrid it's one of the last synth bargains still out there ;-)
@arnieslove the MIDI is primitive in that it only sends/receives note data, not parameter changes. the sequencer is actually disabled when you switch to MIDI mode, so you unfortunately can't send sequencer notes out as MIDI. you can however trigger the sequencer steps with a gate or trigger out to sync it with a DAW or other instruments, which is just as useful IMO.. you can always just replicate the same sequence in MIDI.
Thanks! in the end you've convinced me! I bought a JX-3P although aveo already a JX-8P with programmer, a Korg MS-20, an Arp Odyssey (congratulations for the other video) a Chroma Polaris, a Sequential Circuits Multitrack and other less interesting... You have a lot of style and your videos are funny!
@infesticon.. I have JX-3P. I bought it at a used shop and carried it out by hand, walking through the rain all the way home. I think JX-3P is light and pretty tough. I think the heaviest Roland keyboard is the Jupiter-4, which I bought but could not carry out the store so I had it shipped instead. JP-4 weighs a ton compared to JX-3P.
it's a really nice synth, the filter is a bit on the raspy side but it works well for some kinds of music, and if you keep the cutoff fairly low it sound incredibly warm
The VCR tracking problems, if artifically created, are ingenious. There's nothing about these vids that look like they were made in any time but the '80s. The music, sounds, synths, clothes, sunglasses, text, and video effects are all perfect. Even your damn hair is perfect. In every nostalgic movie I've ever seen, there's always something to tip you off that it was only just recently made. Nice Terminator theme cover by the way... :o)
My first polysynth and the the most underrated analogue out there. Got two now with Organix upgrades (PG200 + MIDI +++) Now looking for a third one to put a Kiwi upgrade on. Look up Kiwi JX3P - they've done some mad wizardry! If you're looking for your first proper analogue, this is it. Not hard to program without the PG-200, unlike the 8P. Top tip - if you find you can't get good bass patches, make sure the HPF is turned down. Some numptys think this thing can't do bass. Trust me - it can.
ftr my JX-3P cost £150 and the PG-200 I got for £90 - though it was as you say before they started to rise. Anyway, enough synth chat - good discussion. all the best! :)
@FOCtv people who think it's a thin or poor sounding synth haven't ventured past the presets or don't know how to properly program. it's capable of some massive sounds that most would have a hard time differentiating from a jupiter 8.
"Let the Music Play " by Shannon done with this keyboard, 7:56 sounds close to the sound used.
at 1:47 sounds just like a prodigy song.. that guy makes magic with this synth, awesome.
@1986uno45s The upgrade allows simultaneous use of a PG-200 and MIDI at the same time but the new additions (2nd LFO, 2nd envelope, portamento, etc) aren't accessible with the PG-200. You would have to use the regular parameter/sense slider method or Kiwi's new Patch Editor box (can be used on any Roland synth that needed a programmer and some others like the Matrix 1000)
Here is a mod to make your JX-3p sound even better:
Solder wires from the POLY OUT test point and the GND test pointnext to it.
They're located on the upper left part of the mainboard, surrounded by small yellow plastic.
Solder the POLY OUT wire to a 1/4 inch audio jack positive terminal. Wire the GND to the negative terminal of the audio jack. Mount the jack somewhere.
It bypasses the chorus unit, volume, and the useless highpass filter. You get less hiss, more bass and treble response.
this Is Pure Wc Olo Garb - hail Jexus!
Regarding the JX3P's filter, according to Wiki: "The VCF was based on the custom Roland IR3109 IC (also used in the filter circuits of the Jupiter-6, later Jupiter-4 units, MKS-80 rev 4, Juno-6/Juno-60, SH-101, MC-202, JX-3P and packaged in the 80017a chip used in the Juno-106 and MKS-30 among others)." So the filter is the same as in other Roland analogue classics, inc Jupiter 8! The key to get thicker, warmer sounds on the JX3P is to make sure the High Pass filter is turned right down ;-)
And yes, I have my 3P modded with organix mod and have a PG-200 and have owned it for years. Have got so many great bass sounds out of it (Some that sound thicker than the Juno) so I'm all too aware of how good/under-rated the 3P is. Wasn't my point at all! I was only talking filter differences. I love both the 3P and the Juno 60. I'm just not keen on the 106! Jexus,, according to his website, thinks similarly.
thanks! and for buying it. R25 was more of an offshoot from my usual style but the second album will be a bit more like that. Can you believe I even get any music done when I'm debating synth/filter idiosyncrasies on the net night and day? haha! it's about the music so I'd better get back to it! :)
I like 4:21 ahaha. Very cool synth, thanks for posting this!
I'm agreeing with you! The filters are physically the same, though their applications are different as is very apparent in all the different models that it is fitted to. I also know your song 'Rewind 25' very well, I bought it and it gets very regular airings on my MP3 player! ;-) Wish you would do an entire album in this style!
JX-3P... GET THIS SYNTH! I got one, and it sounds AWESOME, as this Jexus video proves. The JX-3P would have been a #1 big hit synth in 1983, it was a ground breaking synth of the original analog era, first MIDI synth, first Roland with a sequencer, black tough metal construction. BUT unfortunately released in the same year as the infamous YAMAHA DX-7, which totally digitalized the game, and made minimalist interfaces cool, despite being inconvenient for tweaking. LOL
Very good demo like alway on youtube ...........Tks
I agree that the Juno 6/ 60 have a smoother sound that is more 'pleasant' in some instances. However, the JX3P has way more options and flexibility for soundscaping, and what it lacks in 'warmth' it gains in a much wider sonic palate that the Junos can only dream of. Also, switch the chorus on, turn the HPF right down, set both DCO's to 16', detune DCO2 to the lowest setting and set the ADSR to a fast/ snappy curve and you can get some very punchy and thick bass that cuts through a mix great!
The VCF filter chip (IR3109) IS exactly the same in the aforementioned Roland models, though you are very right that the surrounding circuitry also makes a difference. All the Roland models that share this VCF chip have individual sounds and characters indicating that this is very much the case. I feel that the Juno 6/ 60 derive much of their warmth from the onboard chorus and also the inclusion of a sub oscillator. A shame that the JX3P didn't get a sub oscillator too.
5:33 is from a Terminator movie right?
excellent video, and excellent sounds. =)
i love this kind of sound. reminds me of the good old C64-Time
possibly, and I think the J60 sounds 'closer' to the JP-8 than the JP-6 does (in the filter). When I bought organix, kiwi wasn't even hinted at or I'd have waited too. Having said that, Kiwi is a lot harder to fit by the looks of it and I get on fine without the extra features (but I would like some of them!).
Well I'm agreeing with your agreeing then! ;) - Just wanted to make it clear I wasn't say overall the Juno 60 is 'better' than the 3P (or that the 3P is bad somehow), yes the filter isn't quite as good on the 3P but look at what extras you get! great synth! As said they both have their character/uses.
JX series synths can be had quite affordably, and with the addition of the PG800, are very versatile.
Yes about the hardware vs software envelopes all too well. The reason I bought a Juno 60 was for the envelopes, need the speed for fast arpeggios/sequences - though JX-3P isn't too shabby it's not as fast on the attack.
I meant that some 3P owners adjusted the resonance at the same time as fitting the KIWI mod, and with the extra features the resonance became a different (wilder) animal! We do agree that all these Rolands have their individual strengths and weaknesses, despite sharing some of the same circuitry. The 3P has been very underrated for a while, though prices are now on the rise as people are realising just how good they are under the skin (mine cost £168!). As for your £350 Juno 60 - *jealous*!
so in order of pleasing sound:
Juno 60 (or 6)
JX-3P (slightly less good filter but the 2 Oscs can really thicken things up)
Juno 106 (has the lesser filter setup of the 3p and only one osc = not great)
You dont need the kiwi mod to adjust the res! I have adjusted the res as far as it will go in mine, the self oscillation is then 'closer' in effect but not in tone! I've compared it un-tweaked and tweaked. Whatever roland did to the 3P they also did to the 106 in my opinion and it's an evolution of the orignal setup in the 6/60/8 - then obviously they moved to IR3105 in the 8P/Alpha junos which is far weaker sounding (but still good for it's applications)
BTW my Juno 60 cost £350 :)
SOME GREAT PATCHES MAN ! ! !
gloire a toi mec ton est trop fort
FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!
I'm impressed. You can make a JX-3P sound good.
Terminator Rulezz! Nice, man! Fantastic sounds .. synth... of course)) I very like synths of 80's!
The JX-3P I bought off ebay doesnt get here for 6 weeks!!
This is TORTURE!
Thanks again for the video :)
Very much so, and apparently some of that is down to the JP8/ J6 & 60 having more hardware envelopes, compared with the J6 having software envelopes (as does the JX3P). The JX8P also had software envelopes, which are often criticised for being too slow. I feel that a lot is down to the control of the IR3019 filter also, with the JP8 + J6/60 not being restricted to digital stepping (software controlled) as per the later Rolands with MIDI.
The T2 soundtrack was pretty amazing
No, but you can program something into the sequencer and play with it for 2x unison, and push the pitch wheel a bit to one side to detune it.
OMG The same tune i'm loking for...It's AMAZING!!!!
The only thing that gave it away was that Terminator was theatrically released in 1984, and the video supposedly is from 1983...otherwise spot on, man. Spot on!
5:33 in the video alway puts you in tears in a certain moive at the end when the govenor of CA he dies.
1000% agree to everything you said! ;)
a totally 80's synth, with some great flexibility...what more could a vintage freak want ;-)
i hear the sound of Orbital's 1st album there, among others
I like the sound of it! The beginning riff is too dang catchy! Amazing. I'm a total synth nerd, but I really dig old school 80s synths. Much more amazing than these stupid digital keyboards we have nowadays...with the pre-programmed sounds...
thats the PG-200 programmer, costs as much as the synth itself!. you can program it without the pg, but its a pain in the rear. there is a brand new clone called the DT-200 you can buy, or there's the JX-3P midi expansion kit which will respond to MIDI CC messages, or top of the range is the KIWI-3P.
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the best synth ever, made history
I believe we're getting slightly crossed wires here. My point is that though the physical VCF chip is the same, I agree that the surrounding circuitry makes a difference, hence all the Roland models with this VCF have unique characters. I also agree that the in the JX3 the filter isn't as smooth as the Junos (it's very steppy in fact), and the resonance isn't as smooth either. Then again, that's what also gives the JX3 some of its 'gritty' sound :)
@shayeasy thanks that's very kind of you. I somehow imagined that...very good synth anyway.,I guess you don't have that problem with a jx8p. I own an OB12 and I'm not completely happy neither with the sound nor the sequencer/transposer...
@harbl666 yeah, the problem with that is that i am using a PC as the midi controller, so I want to have the jX8, jx3 and tr707 all on the same chain. Looks like I'm going to have to use a MIDI splitter.
@1986uno45s The BCR2000 should work, as would a Kenton Control Freak or any other box that can send MIDI CC's. Of course you'll have to manually program them. :-)
1:55 what song is that ? it's great !
@theHackerOfMayhem picking up one tomorrow for a great price I'm excited to put it on top of my juno60. I've heard so many things... I hope the jx3p cuts thru the mix, because my juno 106 never did
I really love this guy...!!!
Just the first min. The rest of the vid grew on me. Totally rad dude!
This demo is Awesome *w*
Such a cool synth, much more versatile than the Juno series IMO. Also like the presets and rifffs this guy plays.
Sorry, I'm clearly NOT debating how good the 3P is vs the Juno at all. You've misread me. I merely pointed out it's a fallacy to say the filters are 'the same' when they SOUND different (regardless of on paper spec/chip). I told you I love the 3P? have used one for years and know it inside out - if you care to check my channel the song I have on there is written on the 3P and even mentions it in the lyrics! :) that's how much I like it! I know it's flexible versus junos too, but Juno 60 is great
At 9:00 the demo turned into a techno live ; p
I know exactly how you feel even though mine came in 4 business days. :p
But the sensation of anticipation melting away makes up for the wait no matter how long.
If you're like me, you probably have wanted more videos showing what the JX is capable of in terms of ambient styles. I recorded this with only the JX and a Big Sky
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Dave Kuhn great work! You should make a second version with some rhythm and bass
hi, thanks for all your great videos, chills!
What song is it at 1:54 !? I would like to learn it! thanks!
@KennaOkoye envelope modulation on 01:25 - 01:28
Works fine - you just have to wait a few seconds for it to start.
Awesome!
BTW you seem to be reading wiki and getting your findings from that? I actually have them all in front of me and have tested the filters for hours on all those synths, it clearly isnt' just a case of 'it has the same ir3109 as the Jupiter 8' they sound different, do a resonant sweep on a Juno 60 vs a 106/3P - totally different tone. So all I was saying is that the 106 has more of the 3P filter character than the 6/60/jp8.
It's like a Depeche Mode wet dream...
I gotta know what that song at 1:46 is...
Yea! it is! spot on1
@MrKnnknn everybody says without PG, this synth is hard to use - btw JX 3p sounds perfect.
Yes I know it's exactly the same chip. I have all the synths here and have compared them extensively inside and out. The filter does sound a lot different on the 3P vs the Juno 6/60+JP-8, that's all I'm saying. I compare with chorus off!? I barely use chorus on any of the synths. It's not about thickness, it's about filter at high resonance and cut off and that is where they differ, juno=smooth jx/106=not. The cut off actual opens more on the Juno vs the 3P too. I like both synths as said.
i have never seen terminator, but after hearing that piece, i wanna see it just 'cuz of the awesome soundtrack :D
can anyone tell me which tune starts at 1:54?
great tune!
@robocelot Thanks for the information! Would something like the Behringer BCR2000 also work with the new additions? Oh, and I took delivery of my JX3P last week :-) Now I will be saving up for the Kiwi upgrade chip!
Maybe it's not the filter itself then, but it does sound quite raspy when you turn the cutoff freq. up (at least mine does). Maybe this is the problem (source retrosynth): "The oscillators' frequency is derived from a master clock which is divided by an even integer to obtain a close approximate pitch. This method never allows the oscillators to produce a pure pitch across the entire range, and is probably accountable for the JX-3P's somewhat harsh sound"
The Organix mod looks good, though with all the extra features the KIWI offers I think I will save for a little longer to get that. Interesting that the JX3P and Juno 106 get different results from the filter when compared with the Juno 6/ 60 and Jupiter 8. I wonder if the inclusion of MIDI has something to do with that (and the stepping)? And I wonder if the Jupiter 6, also MIDI equipped, was affected in the same way as some don't like its sound compared with the Jupiter 8?
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Its anne clark - sleeper in metropolis !
hes a genius !
@theHackerOfMayhem thank you :)
lol this is just @$%ing awesome because its so vintage retro intentionally-VCR quality lol