@@jeremyvanhorn2645 It’s not a question of if a 2x12 will sound best with it, it’s a case of: Do you prefer a 1x12 for portability, 2x12 for moving more air/volume, tone and some portability, or a 4x12 for moving the most air/volume and don’t care about portability at all? I always think a 2x12 is the best, especially for Metal, Rock and playing pubs/clubs. 1x12 for fantastic for portability, but you loose a some of bottom-end & volume, but that doesn’t matter so much if your going out of a PA system. (Front of house) I love “closed back 2x12’s,” as they sit somewhere in the middle and has a great tone.
@@jazznotes3802 That's pretty much what I'm going to do. I have a Peavey XXX 2x12 combo I'm splitting up into a head and 2x12 cab. So I'll use both(not at the same time tho) with this 212 cab. At some point I may get a vintage 30s 212 cab tho
I didn't expect to be so impressed by the clean channel! The Mesa hi gain sounds fuller but the Zombie will get you in the ball park for a fraction of the price and that clean channel makes it really versatile, takes pedals really well too.
sure they're going to sound a bit different, but it's close enough for Rock-n-Roll. If you're a trust fund baby get the Mesa. If you're low on budget get the Joyo. Very simple.
The problem is they sound good at low volume, but at anything past about 10 o'clock it flattens out and sounds like a mediocre solid state practice amp. Loud, but dead.
The joyo on 1/2 gain and no Tube screamer matched the tone of the mesa on full gain with tube screamer to me. Joyo with tube screamer for me. Not because of the price but because of the sound.
Love the sound I get from the Joyo but it just isn’t loud enough. It peaks at around 10 o’ clock on the volume knob. I tried it through a 4x12 even and it was not loud.
No canal clean é baixo o volume em uma 4x12 , mas estranho que liguei em uma 2x12 e o som ficou mais alto no clean, só que a 2x12 estava em 16ohms e a 4x12 em 8 ohms
I have the Jackman II and use it with the Joyo Dark Flame pedal. The sound is insane. Now I'm thinking about buying the Meteor II or the Zombie II. or both ? 😂😂 Great video by the way 👍🏻😂
Sounds great, of course it’s not the true Mesa Rec but dang it’s sounds great, you should do another demo putting an eq pedal in the loop of the Zombie! Tons of tonal shaping!
Going back to the Mesa with humbuckers gave fuller tones, but nothing worth multiple times the money. Other than that, the Joyo held its own very well, and was of course much cleaner.... no one is going to choose a Mesa for clean tones. The tube pedal feeding either at high amp gain was too much.... not pleasant breakup. I found the same thing with a tube monster (with 12AU7 upgrade) doing the same thing through my little Vox modeling amp on all but the clean channels. Imagine the guitars or other equipment one could purchase for the difference in cost. Thanks for the interesting comparison. I wouldn't have thought it would be close.
Hey dude instant sub. Great demo and great playing. Really loved hearing these two. I think i like the joyo. Keep up the great channel. I have the Bluguitar Mercury and just cant get enough. This would be an amp from the other direction
i just got the 2c zombie perfect.........i love the bassbuzz almost fuzz sound... i use my go pod mesa dr amp sim .....wow.......this amp the zombie even does the cramp......best little amp ever.. anything 50 60 70 80 90 music perfect.......thanx joyo...my back loves it.........
Honestly, it's hard to believe that a mesa can't play a real clean😮..are you sure you did not some mistakes?..anyway i bought a zombie II..can't wait ! I'm not into high gain stuff, but i hope i'll be able to recreate a good crunchy tone like some old stuff from early Larry Carlton..who knows..this little head it's my only chance to come in the mesa territory..i could never afford a real one😅
Just because someone puts two things side by side, it doesn't mean that they're comparable. Take both of these amps on stage, and the lesson will be learned in seconds.
Ok, If I didn't see the logo of the mesa/zombie and your comments I could swear that the mesa is the hybrid small 20W amp and Joyo is the full valve head. That clean you got in the mesa is ...garbage, what I would spect from a 20W amp. The mesa sounded more Fizzy, the real mesa bennefited much more of a mid booster like tube screamer than the joyo, which is weird.
For the research I’ve done, it most definitely should be able to handle a gig of that size. If not then worst case scenario is having to mic it but just from what I’ve seen you shouldn’t have to since the JOYO can easily hit ~120db easily in the right cab
Hello. Can the BantAmp be used without connection to the speaker output and without connection to the headphone output at the same time, without harming the amplifier? Would the amplifier suffer some kind of damage at the moment or in the long run? I want to output the signal through the amplifier send to an audio interface to record the signal without cabinet emulation so that I can use my custom impulse responses, and at the same time I don't want to have headphones and/or speakers connected for a while, can this be done without damaging the amplifier? Thank you
They sound like a sawing machine!! No tone at all but obviously Chinese cheaper than American & very close for guitar players that could care less about tone that has thick mids.
Maybe a bit too much gain? That's a thing? 🤪 Good thing is, you can turn it down. The mesa doesn't sound bad, because it sounds good. In fact, it sounds so good, they made the zombie to sound like the mesa 🤔 Sorry, I couldn't resist
So you know what to buy. There are like 5 or 6 of those Joyo amps, all targeting different sounds. If I know this sounds like Dual rectifier, then I know not to buy this and instead buy the one that sounds like a Fender Tweed to get the sound I need.
"Mesa distortion sounds fuller"
Me: buys 10 zombies and makes a wall of lunchboxes
Fooler you say?
I have a joyo bantamp zombie II and I highly recommend it if someone is thinking about buying it 😁
I have a Zombie II as well and I Love it! For the price it can’t be beat.
@@danthegreaser71 what cab do you use with it? I’m thinking about getting the Zombie II but don’t know which 2x12 would sound best with it
@@jeremyvanhorn2645 It’s not a question of if a 2x12 will sound best with it, it’s a case of: Do you prefer a 1x12 for portability, 2x12 for moving more air/volume, tone and some portability, or a 4x12 for moving the most air/volume and don’t care about portability at all?
I always think a 2x12 is the best, especially for Metal, Rock and playing pubs/clubs.
1x12 for fantastic for portability, but you loose a some of bottom-end & volume, but that doesn’t matter so much if your going out of a PA system. (Front of house)
I love “closed back 2x12’s,” as they sit somewhere in the middle and has a great tone.
@@jazznotes3802 That's pretty much what I'm going to do. I have a Peavey XXX 2x12 combo I'm splitting up into a head and 2x12 cab. So I'll use both(not at the same time tho) with this 212 cab. At some point I may get a vintage 30s 212 cab tho
@@jeremyvanhorn2645 I use a Randall 1x12 with it and I’m plenty satisfied!
the best way to do these comparisons is to A/B the sounds back to back in small snippets so you can really compare in real time.
Yeah agreed
The Joyo sounds amazing clean and the dirt is phenomenal too
I actually prefer the joyo from what i hear on this video
I thought the zombie sounded better than the Mesa amp
I was thinking the same. The reason i actually came looking through the comments was to see if I was the only one or not
I didn't expect to be so impressed by the clean channel! The Mesa hi gain sounds fuller but the Zombie will get you in the ball park for a fraction of the price and that clean channel makes it really versatile, takes pedals really well too.
Pretty sad, an under $200 pedal is more versatile than the actual Mesa.
sure they're going to sound a bit different, but it's close enough for Rock-n-Roll. If you're a trust fund baby get the Mesa. If you're low on budget get the Joyo. Very simple.
The problem is they sound good at low volume, but at anything past about 10 o'clock it flattens out and sounds like a mediocre solid state practice amp. Loud, but dead.
The joyo on 1/2 gain and no Tube screamer matched the tone of the mesa on full gain with tube screamer to me.
Joyo with tube screamer for me. Not because of the price but because of the sound.
I added a Quebec presence and depth pedal in the fxloop of the zombie amp ay it really comes to life. Sounds like a PRS mt15 or Arcon.
Now I’m going to buy one! Beautiful cleans. Thanks
The zoMBie 2 from Joyo is a great tiny amp for way less money I have the zoMBie 2 BanTamp xl from Joyo Glad i bought 1
DRers cost like $3k here is Aus, Zombie is like $250 (AUD), also don't need a boost for the Joyo and hell you can just velcro a gate to the side of it
Love the sound I get from the Joyo but it just isn’t loud enough.
It peaks at around 10 o’ clock on the volume knob.
I tried it through a 4x12 even and it was not loud.
No canal clean é baixo o volume em uma 4x12 , mas estranho que liguei em uma 2x12 e o som ficou mais alto no clean, só que a 2x12 estava em 16ohms e a 4x12 em 8 ohms
I have the Jackman II and use it with the Joyo Dark Flame pedal. The sound is insane.
Now I'm thinking about buying the Meteor II or the Zombie II. or both ? 😂😂
Great video by the way 👍🏻😂
Your customSG woth P90 was killing it.. nice playing.. joyo does loose the bottom end without overdrive, but wow, it's similar..
I don't think its really supposed to emulate a rec, but a Mk II. It sounds way more similar to a Mk II.
It takes the mesa flux drive od very well when using the od as clean boost. Straight up MOP and and justice tones right away.
I think they copied a Triple Rec if you look at Joyo's website for the Zombie they say it's reminiscent of a 150w amp...
Muy Brutal el Joyo, lo tuve y no le hice review, pero suena demoledor.
I can hear some slight differences in dirt settings but nothing that can't be tweaked with an eq in the fx loop ( adding noise gate to cut the hum )
Have the zombie best video I've seen didn't know how effects would work on it tube screamer and a mesa boogie tube otw
Sounds great, of course it’s not the true Mesa Rec but dang it’s sounds great, you should do another demo putting an eq pedal in the loop of the Zombie! Tons of tonal shaping!
I got one coming tomorrow, good thing I already got a TS close and a boss EQ
Going back to the Mesa with humbuckers gave fuller tones, but nothing worth multiple times the money. Other than that, the Joyo held its own very well, and was of course much cleaner.... no one is going to choose a Mesa for clean tones. The tube pedal feeding either at high amp gain was too much.... not pleasant breakup. I found the same thing with a tube monster (with 12AU7 upgrade) doing the same thing through my little Vox modeling amp on all but the clean channels. Imagine the guitars or other equipment one could purchase for the difference in cost. Thanks for the interesting comparison. I wouldn't have thought it would be close.
I’m listening on my iPad and they sound so close it doesn’t matter.
Truly impressive. The clean is great
Good job, Dude.👍🏻
I have the zombie but grew stale of it very quickly
Oh yeah? I bought mine a week ago, guess I'll wait and see
The zombie is darker, but i like it more
Hey dude instant sub. Great demo and great playing. Really loved hearing these two. I think i like the joyo. Keep up the great channel. I have the Bluguitar Mercury and just cant get enough. This would be an amp from the other direction
i just got the 2c zombie perfect.........i love the bassbuzz almost fuzz sound... i use my go pod mesa dr amp sim .....wow.......this amp the zombie even does the cramp......best little amp ever.. anything 50 60 70 80 90 music perfect.......thanx joyo...my back loves it.........
I can't find the video on the Joyo zombie 2 with the eq in the loop.
Love both guitars gold is a beauty
!!! Interesting!!! How do you record - direct or mic - how???
Joyo sounds Killer!
Is there no one better to demonstrate this little Joyo
You of course! Show us what you got! 😁👍
Ola Englund has a great review of this amp as well! I believe he plays it raw and boosted too.
With some EQ that Joyo might be even closer to the real Mesa. Certainly good enough in a mix, anyway.
It IS like satan in your room 🤘🤘🤘🇨🇵🤘🤘
Well, this is nice thing, but it is a little mushy. Mesa sounds better distorted. Nice clean, tho.
The problem is.. The joyo doesn't have a mid control!!! :c I don't want a lot of mids haha
EQ pedal. Done.
@@sub-jec-tiv "just use more money on your budget solution!" genious
A 7 band EQ in the loop turns these into a different amp.
Did you run the Tube Screamer in series or in the effects loop?
Nice Job man
Awesome great music playing guitar 🎸 so sound great so audio
Honestly, it's hard to believe that a mesa can't play a real clean😮..are you sure you did not some mistakes?..anyway i bought a zombie II..can't wait ! I'm not into high gain stuff, but i hope i'll be able to recreate a good crunchy tone like some old stuff from early Larry Carlton..who knows..this little head it's my only chance to come in the mesa territory..i could never afford a real one😅
Somos 2 então , tenho 1 e para mim ele é ótimo.
The fact that they're even comparable isn't a good look for Mesa, considering the Rectifiers are like 20 times the price
Just because someone puts two things side by side, it doesn't mean that they're comparable. Take both of these amps on stage, and the lesson will be learned in seconds.
How is clean clean sound?
So... what kind or which cabinet do you guys recommend to use with the joyo amp??
I use it with the harley benton 2x12 with V30 speakers and it is AMAZING.
boogie has more punch and clarity
Ok, If I didn't see the logo of the mesa/zombie and your comments I could swear that the mesa is the hybrid small 20W amp and Joyo is the full valve head.
That clean you got in the mesa is ...garbage, what I would spect from a 20W amp. The mesa sounded more Fizzy, the real mesa bennefited much more of a mid booster like tube screamer than the joyo, which is weird.
What happens if Joyo makes an amp just to sound like itself and not copy anything?
Probably won't sell anywhere as near as those sell. People Go after a sound they already know, specially on a cheap brand.
Great video 👍🤘
is it loud enough for ~100 people audience gigs?
For the research I’ve done, it most definitely should be able to handle a gig of that size. If not then worst case scenario is having to mic it but just from what I’ve seen you shouldn’t have to since the JOYO can easily hit ~120db easily in the right cab
Yes, absolutely. If you hook it up to a 212 or a 412 cabinet it should be more then enough !
120 DB is way way more than that little amp is going to put out with it's lap top power supply. @@jeremyvanhorn2645
And whats up with a loud band??
this les paul is black beauty??
It's a pre lawsuit copy from 1975 by a brand called Greco, I LOVE IT
It's an sg body lol
What is the rift at 2:20? Thanks yall?
Battery by Metallica🤘
what color of les paul is thath?
It's an sg...... gold. They might call it something else but it's gold
YoYo clean be Lovly
i hear a lot of hum. is that normal?
He’s using p90s
Joyo would be great for recording
wow amazing sound for a cheap little solid state amp
Is hybrid. Tube in preamp. Solid state in power amp section.
@@raymondtong2640 nice info, it's good hybrid amp. thanx
Hello. Can the BantAmp be used without connection to the speaker output and without connection to the headphone output at the same time, without harming the amplifier? Would the amplifier suffer some kind of damage at the moment or in the long run? I want to output the signal through the amplifier send to an audio interface to record the signal without cabinet emulation so that I can use my custom impulse responses, and at the same time I don't want to have headphones and/or speakers connected for a while, can this be done without damaging the amplifier? Thank you
Yes! I record my demo with the phone output! And its sounds really good
It can be run without a load. The tube is only the preamp and uses a solid state power amp. It can be used like any other solid state practice amp.
They sound like a sawing machine!! No tone at all but obviously Chinese cheaper than American & very close for guitar players that could care less about tone that has thick mids.
doesn't even compare
Maybe a bit too much gain? That's a thing? 🤪 Good thing is, you can turn it down.
The mesa doesn't sound bad, because it sounds good. In fact, it sounds so good, they made the zombie to sound like the mesa 🤔
Sorry, I couldn't resist
Turn it back. You never max your gain out it sounds like shit when you do that
Why cant you get rid of that 60cycle hum Einstein . Sounds like crap.
Those are P90s, of course there's hum
Why the F do people want to sound “like something else”? Just let the thing do the job it can do and see if it inspires you.
$3,000😂 mesa head if you are lucky !?
$89 Mesa zombie Head !?😂
So you know what to buy. There are like 5 or 6 of those Joyo amps, all targeting different sounds. If I know this sounds like Dual rectifier, then I know not to buy this and instead buy the one that sounds like a Fender Tweed to get the sound I need.
Different mids by a long way.
Now I’m going to buy one! Beautiful cleans. Thanks