We homeschool in new york. i know many think of it as high regulation, but when you read the fine print, there is a lot of flexibility. for example, if we don't pass the standardized test (passing is just considered scoring over the 33 percentile) you just need to show progress year to year. It's very doable!
These are such great insights! When you think about it, it is so unlikely that the current model of public education would give each individual child what they need at the time they need it. I loved hearing your perspective!
The potty training analogy was so good. Had never thought of development in that way but you’re absolutely right. If I tried to copy and paste the timeline for my second it would’ve been an epic fail. Thanks for the encouragement!
Great video! I struggle with this. We are in our second year of homeschooling (7th grade). My son was so behind in public school. It’s hard to get out of that mindset. I will check out your other resources. You are so encouraging! Working my way through your videos. Thank you! 😊
This is the problem with public school. As an institution, it completely ignores the individual person: their emotional and developmental stage. The school system is just another way to put cogs (children) in the proverbial wheel to keep the machine going. Hence the massive academic casualties we continue to see today.
This can go both ways. I've seen children with learning disabilities not getting help until much later due to parents waiting. Then a lot of the neurological pathways are set and harder to be helped. I've seen this especially with speech and phonological errors that do affect the entire language system.
I am frustrated. The umbrella program I have been using isn't in favor of unschooling, as far as I can tell, I don't know what else to do. My kids are "behind" on math and my oldest is about to start ninth grade so I am having them do math over the summer to "catch up" and they aren't happy but understand our circumstances. Oh, but I am so tired of having to use an umbrella but we are stuck here for now (Maryland).
What do you do with a kid that can read at the 1st grade level, but reads so slowly they can't comprehend? My son's been reading at the same speed for a year and a half, and it's starting to make his advanced math frustrating because he can't comprehend a word problem. So now it's impacting areas outside of just language arts alone. Is that a normal developmental thing? I took him to Sylvan for an assessment, and they just said he needs to work on phonics. They didn't notice anything like dyslexia or other challenges. 🤷
Are you reading the word problems to him? It's totally acceptable to read the problems to him at that age and give him visuals and hands-on manipulatives to solve the word problems. For reading have him practice phonics and fluency and narrating back what he has read.
If I might push back on your potty training example, you are actually making the argument for the another position here. The point is to go at your child's pace, right? So a 2 year old may potty train just as fast as a 3 year old because they were simply ready to learn the skill of using the potty. In your example you mentioned your 2-year olds had a longer learning time while your 3 year olds learned in a matter of days. This is an argument for delayed learning rather than child-led learning.
I see it as both. Usually potty training at 2yo is initiated by parents, not kids. They are anxious to be free of diapers and ready to have a child who is potty trained. A child who is ready to be potty trained will often initiate on their own. Many times delayed and child-led learning go hand in hand. 🙂
@@SiloandSage that's interesting. My experience with child-led learning is quite the opposite. My oldest gave all the signs to potty train right after his second birthday. And my other child kept asking about the human body to the point of us doing 3rd grade level work just to satisfy her curiosity. I felt silly doing another unit study on the human body with a 3 year old but that's what she wanted. And while my oldest falls on the later end of normal for reading skills, he was (and still is) certainly eager to learn to read from around 3. I find when I attempt to delay their learning I've either missed the opportunity to show them something while they're heavily interested or, more likely, they will try to find a way to learn what they like on their own. I'm not sure why my kids are so impatient in this regard but maybe they will slow down the older they get.
@@Sandyyyyyyyyyy I think you might be misunderstanding what I’m saying. I’m not talking about delaying a child’s learning when they are interested and ready. Or delaying just for the sake of delaying. I think learning happens best when we follow our kids’ interests AND their readiness. My potty training analogy isn’t perfect here, of course, it’s just an example. But the point is that timelines are arbitrary. And when it comes to learning, we need to stop following them, and let our kids learn on THEIR timelines or when THEY show interest and readiness. Especially in the younger years. I certainly wouldn’t stop a child from learning something early or that they’re interested in. I’ve had kids who learned to read early and others who’ve learned to read later - I waited until they were ready AND interested, and they all learned very quickly as a result and all love reading. That’s the point - pushing back on timelines of when learning “should” happen and letting our kids’ interests and development lead the way, whether that’s “early” or “late.”
@@SiloandSage I generally agree with your overall premise. That's why I commented on the potty-training analogy. It might confuse someone unfamiliar with child-led learning when they compare it to other methods of learning that wait until a child is 6 to teach them to read, for example. The argument of those who choose to delay their children's ability to read is usually that they learn how to do so extremely fast when the time comes. I find that when my children show interest in something, I can find a way to feed that interest. Even if they may not be fully ready to learn that new skill or complex bit of information, we can start the scaffolding to get them there. That's essentially what you mean by delaying until your child is ready, right?
This is the problem with public school. As an institution, it completely ignores the individual person: their emotional and developmental stage. The school system is just another way to put cogs (children) in the proverbial wheel to keep the machine going. Hence the massive academic casualties we continue to see today.
We homeschool in new york. i know many think of it as high regulation, but when you read the fine print, there is a lot of flexibility. for example, if we don't pass the standardized test (passing is just considered scoring over the 33 percentile) you just need to show progress year to year. It's very doable!
Yes!! Thank you for this comment! It’s so doable 🙌🏻🙌🏻
I’m in WI too ❤ and we are just beginning our 6th year of homeschool.
These are such great insights! When you think about it, it is so unlikely that the current model of public education would give each individual child what they need at the time they need it. I loved hearing your perspective!
I was stressing about this so I’m thankful for this video ❤
So glad it’s helpful!!
The potty training analogy was so good. Had never thought of development in that way but you’re absolutely right. If I tried to copy and paste the timeline for my second it would’ve been an epic fail. Thanks for the encouragement!
Thank you. This was so encouraging and helpful.
Great video! I struggle with this. We are in our second year of homeschooling (7th grade). My son was so behind in public school. It’s hard to get out of that mindset. I will check out your other resources. You are so encouraging! Working my way through your videos. Thank you! 😊
I'm a new subscriber to your channel. I have to say I absolutely love this video! ❤
This is so good!
Great video! So true and such a great likeness to th we potty training. Every child is different. Thank you!
Thank you!! This is what I’ve been trying to explain to my husband and friends. 😌
This is the problem with public school. As an institution, it completely ignores the individual person: their emotional and developmental stage. The school system is just another way to put cogs (children) in the proverbial wheel to keep the machine going. Hence the massive academic casualties we continue to see today.
Hello fellow Wisconsinite!!❤️
Well said, amazing video!
This can go both ways. I've seen children with learning disabilities not getting help until much later due to parents waiting. Then a lot of the neurological pathways are set and harder to be helped. I've seen this especially with speech and phonological errors that do affect the entire language system.
Happens in the public school all the time. It's the mindset that the children will outgrow it.
I am frustrated. The umbrella program I have been using isn't in favor of unschooling, as far as I can tell, I don't know what else to do. My kids are "behind" on math and my oldest is about to start ninth grade so I am having them do math over the summer to "catch up" and they aren't happy but understand our circumstances. Oh, but I am so tired of having to use an umbrella but we are stuck here for now (Maryland).
What do you do with a kid that can read at the 1st grade level, but reads so slowly they can't comprehend? My son's been reading at the same speed for a year and a half, and it's starting to make his advanced math frustrating because he can't comprehend a word problem. So now it's impacting areas outside of just language arts alone. Is that a normal developmental thing? I took him to Sylvan for an assessment, and they just said he needs to work on phonics. They didn't notice anything like dyslexia or other challenges. 🤷
Are you reading the word problems to him? It's totally acceptable to read the problems to him at that age and give him visuals and hands-on manipulatives to solve the word problems.
For reading have him practice phonics and fluency and narrating back what he has read.
What about high school and falling behind?😢
Hi,you can add a year to high school homeschool if your child needs!
If I might push back on your potty training example, you are actually making the argument for the another position here. The point is to go at your child's pace, right? So a 2 year old may potty train just as fast as a 3 year old because they were simply ready to learn the skill of using the potty. In your example you mentioned your 2-year olds had a longer learning time while your 3 year olds learned in a matter of days. This is an argument for delayed learning rather than child-led learning.
I see it as both. Usually potty training at 2yo is initiated by parents, not kids. They are anxious to be free of diapers and ready to have a child who is potty trained. A child who is ready to be potty trained will often initiate on their own. Many times delayed and child-led learning go hand in hand. 🙂
@@SiloandSage that's interesting. My experience with child-led learning is quite the opposite. My oldest gave all the signs to potty train right after his second birthday. And my other child kept asking about the human body to the point of us doing 3rd grade level work just to satisfy her curiosity. I felt silly doing another unit study on the human body with a 3 year old but that's what she wanted. And while my oldest falls on the later end of normal for reading skills, he was (and still is) certainly eager to learn to read from around 3. I find when I attempt to delay their learning I've either missed the opportunity to show them something while they're heavily interested or, more likely, they will try to find a way to learn what they like on their own. I'm not sure why my kids are so impatient in this regard but maybe they will slow down the older they get.
@@Sandyyyyyyyyyy I think you might be misunderstanding what I’m saying. I’m not talking about delaying a child’s learning when they are interested and ready. Or delaying just for the sake of delaying. I think learning happens best when we follow our kids’ interests AND their readiness. My potty training analogy isn’t perfect here, of course, it’s just an example. But the point is that timelines are arbitrary. And when it comes to learning, we need to stop following them, and let our kids learn on THEIR timelines or when THEY show interest and readiness. Especially in the younger years. I certainly wouldn’t stop a child from learning something early or that they’re interested in. I’ve had kids who learned to read early and others who’ve learned to read later - I waited until they were ready AND interested, and they all learned very quickly as a result and all love reading. That’s the point - pushing back on timelines of when learning “should” happen and letting our kids’ interests and development lead the way, whether that’s “early” or “late.”
@@SiloandSage I generally agree with your overall premise. That's why I commented on the potty-training analogy. It might confuse someone unfamiliar with child-led learning when they compare it to other methods of learning that wait until a child is 6 to teach them to read, for example. The argument of those who choose to delay their children's ability to read is usually that they learn how to do so extremely fast when the time comes. I find that when my children show interest in something, I can find a way to feed that interest. Even if they may not be fully ready to learn that new skill or complex bit of information, we can start the scaffolding to get them there. That's essentially what you mean by delaying until your child is ready, right?
Plenty of kids in public school are “behind😊
This is the problem with public school. As an institution, it completely ignores the individual person: their emotional and developmental stage. The school system is just another way to put cogs (children) in the proverbial wheel to keep the machine going. Hence the massive academic casualties we continue to see today.