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- Through our research and development in exploiting tool-changing we have developed the capability to enhance the FDM process with subtractive machining.
Introducing the future of Desktop 3D Printing: Additive Subtractive Manufacturing By Layer.
Read our blog on ASMBL:
e3d-online.com/blogs/news/asm...
ASMBL tool files can be found here - www.thingiverse.com/thing:420...
Purchase a ToolChanger and Motion System here -
e3d-online.com/products/e3d-t... - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I want to go to sleep listening to this.
looking forward to seeing how well subtractive tool heads improve 3d printing
you know what i like about this printer. all that functionality and if you include everything it's still cheaper then even the ultimaker 2 (previous generations old printer)
ultimakers are a scam
lol true
Not really. The quoted price doesn't include any extruders or hot ends. It also doesn't include the hours of assembly required. Ultimakers may be overpriced, but that's not a fair comparison. I have a tool changer and it's FAR from a polished product like an Ultimaker. Certainly more capable, but it requires a LOT of effort, know-how, and patience.
I have an S5 and a tool changer. On the ultimaker, I put in the SD card and feed it spools. On the tool changer, I fix the printer and feed it small pieces of my soul. But when it works its awesome....
@@dylanhamm8105exactly
much better than the other recent videos!!!!
PS: nozzle x coating on heatbreaks when?
Super cool idea!
Pretty smart of E3D - put the kit out there but ultimately leave the after-sale support to the community.
A lot of the people in this community would complain even harder if it was closed source and I would argue it'd make the system worse as a whole. I'm not usually the type to defend brands but you can't complain about proprietary systems ever again if your gonna adopt the stance that "open source is stealing". The people that do the work aren't under the illusion that they're ever gonna make a profit from it, they do it because they understand the power of crowd sourced innovation.
Really excited to see the additive-subtractive. I am working on my own version of this! Not going to lie, when I heard you were making a money-is-no-object printer that would be over engineered I was a little disappointed to see regular ol' steppers on it. Seems like this was a money doesn't matter version that still lives in the world of hobby. Some ideas for REV2 - high end servo system for X,Y (yaskawa sigma 7). Z still a stepper, but maybe a more turn per inch lead screw to get more resolution. Linear encoder on Z axis to ENSURE exact layer thicknesses. Lots of people assume lead screws and ball screws will land on the correct value if your stepper steps all its steps but in reality they have variation, even in the highest precision versions. Maybe a high end servo for the extruder also - steppers can never have the smooth rotation that a servo can. Just some ideas:) If you want to get crazy you could look into ironless linear motors for the XY. That will solve ringing and belt stretch at high speed and acceleration. Great job guys
people that think that are hobbyist. they don't know anything about cnc.
linear encoder is a must
but for 3d printing it's all fine. this isn't precision work.
i use a belt system for my z axis. no screw at all. lead or ball
They needed the duet ecosystem and servos have their own limitations. It makes little sense to use servos on a 3D printer, speaking as someone who was obsessed with the idea. The real thing to have on a money is no object printer would be datum aligned linear encoders. Completely eliminate skew and ensure insane precision at crazy speeds. Nobody should care about the angle of the motor stator, its the nozzle you should be worried about
Seems to be the best printer on the market in my eyes
Did you ever machine flat the top layers of support material so that main material is laid down on a smooth surface, giving a smooth finish to the underside of the overhangs?
I Love it !! 😱😱🤔🤔👌👌
My mind is officially blown.
Share more details about the inspection camera? that looked interesting
So far we have only used it in tech demos.
Like here: th-cam.com/video/PKye66QvVzY/w-d-xo.html
We're trying to encourage others who are adept with the necessary technology to develop the tool properly.
One vision of ours was that after completing a layer, the camera will scan the print and confirm whether there were any faults in printing said layer, if any are found, a subtractive tool could automatically shave the layer off, and then reprint it.
However we have in no way tested this, or developed this past it's demo phase shown in the video above.
Its a keyence IM series measurement system, for the price they're not great, not bad, but not great.
Can yall use it with M.V. to automaticlly adjust things like, pressure advance and flow rate, that might be visually inspected?
Slick video, guys!
cheers Alex :D
@E3D-Online would it be possible to automate the process of bulking out the part that should be machined in a standalone software or integrated into slicers? similarly to prusaslicers paint on support you could mark areas that should be finished with machining and let the software modify the stl file that is going to be printed accordingly whilst also generating the subtractive toolpath?
Yes this would be possible but is not the case yet.
Tool-Changer!
I got the email about this, and at first I was looking, thinking to myself - 'Cool, wonder what the price is, probably have no chance of affording this, let me scroll back up and see who sent this so I can go try and find a price, probably Markforged and probably $10,000', but then to my surprise it was E3D. They haven't said a price anywhere that I could see, but an enthusiast can generally afford E3D stuff so I hope this continues that trend.
Hey, we're glad to hear you think it's cool! The cost of one of these machines is approx £2600 (excluding VAT). Thanks.
I would like to see more about the subtractive part.
Me too. I do think they would benefit from a vacuum attachment to suck up all the chips after printing (might cool the print excessively though unless the machine is enclosed). Chips might otherwise randomly get in between layers.
@@CR-tz4xp I've seen somewhere that in fact there is a vaccum attachment, but couldn't find it now. Supposedly there are not so many chips. Anyway it would be cool to see it more closely in action.
Is continuous fibre reinforcement in the works? Would be good to have a more open and lower cost to markforge
Greedy markforged probably has patents on it
What is this on 2:38? a random shot of a food mixer or is it a vacuum or something?
Does pathio have any extra features built in that are only compatible with toolchanging machines?
That was one of our visions. Pathio development is now however paused and we're actively looking for a buyer.
I still consider this to be the holy grale of FDM printing.
True Multi material printing without the downsides of the existing concepts.
@E3D
Is any of your partners making progress to bring this on the market as a consumer product?
Your kit is available for quite a while now. But I just dont find it in consumer products and don't understand why....
Servo lifting really kills the consumer level interest in tool changing imho, once the Qidi Ifast comes down in price to around $1,000 that will be the dual material machine to have.
@@Anyone700 a two extruder head has its own downsides. But it is for sure the cheaper solution.
Are those tool-change extruders direct-drive? Half of what I print is with flexible filament.
I assume you meant to explain that the Hemeras are a direct-drive extruder and therefore good with flexible filament? and that the tool changer is capable of working with this specific type of direct-drive extruder?
4:11 "PEKK" Never heard of that type of filament before! 😄
th-cam.com/users/results?search_query=pekk+filament
2:09 - the Hemera tool has a part cooling fan, but no extruder fan?
Yeah... someone would have a bad day...
Oops you caught us. That's a demo tool and not one we've ever actually used for printing. However in the video we print with multiple Hemeras to great success.
@@E3DOnline The Hemeras are indeed awesome. I was wondering whether there is enough room to mount the ASMBL milling tool next to a Hemera on the TC?
@@samtumilty2348 Awesome, then I know what to put next on my TC! And I like the idea of machining flexible, maybe you have some footage of that for next year's 1st of April? Maybe an hommage to failure in making, we all experience it but it is part of the game we all so love :)
I like one for me and the world is a better place ❤️
we're doing a competition right now to win one. gleam.io/ZK0Ht/e3d-toolchanger-motion-system-giveaway
This is not a spam bot honestly!
release ???
hey again. Did you really print that PEKK part fully open with no enclosure?
Curious since every other printer manufacturer wants you to buy their super expensive heated chamber printers.
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Yes, but we have a special PAEK that doesn't need a heated chamber.
@@peanutzkp care to share supplier name?
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4:12 PEKK?
Similar to PEEK
@@Vector3DP oh hi vector! :)
it basically replaces a E with a K
@@zommy5re77 lol it is the same family of materials but with slighly difference in the polymer chain :)
Voice actor be like... "I have no idea what I'm saying...".
Absolutely mad.
need sample pics
PEEK, without an enclosure?! Explain please.
we are two
PEEK modified to print amorphously and stay like that, to be heat treated after the print - is my guess
Nothing stopping you making your printer enclosed
The prints in the video were not annealed. Annealing often deforms the object which would annihilate the high precision milling. I could be PEKK-A from Kimya (where the 'A' stands for amorph), The specs don't mention that a heated build volume is required. The blog also mentions 'This hi-tech filament can also be transformed at lower temperatures than other high performance materials, such as PEI or PEEK.'
Maybe the print internal support with cf-nylon to stop warping. PEEK would normally need a high temperature chamber
I'M FUCKING SOLD!
will this ever come pre built? for an extra price ofcourse.
probably not sorry.
@@E3DOnline ok np. Have you heard of any third party companies that does it or will do it? Or if you allow it?
Vai custar o olho da cara mais a meleca para trazer isso para o Brasil.
1:27 Any reason for the switch to be upside down?
for fun :)
so you have to pray your bed adhesion is as good as a clamp for subtractive? also belts for subtractive?
It all comes to how agressively you machine. Very thin finishing passes with very small tools, that could work.
Perhaps people will have to redesign their support system... like printing a decent platform to make the project more stable that it doesnt tip or that mechanical clamps attached to the bed will clamp the projects printed platform to the bed.
I guess that if the machining is of 200 micrometers, most dynamical forces are probably small enough to deflect belts or structure. Also, we are talking about thermoplastics, not about aluminium or other metals. But, who knows.
First I thought: additive subtractive manufacturing?!? thats soo cool. but I came to the same conclusion as you and all the hype was gone haha.
It doesnt look like an issue. Ive had prints sticking so hard to the bed Im lifiting the entire printer when taking it off. (big printers 30x30x35cm volume).
2:43 SULFUR VISION
4:11 PEKK must be something new I've never heard of. 🤣
It must be. Look it up, it's cool stuff - similar to PEEK but a bit easier to deal with
Honestly pekk isn't all that exciting due to cost but pei / ultem. That could be a game changer
Make a digitizing probe
I was wondering what kind of slicer is used to print with a machine like this? I am assuming that CURA won’t cut it 😂
The video stated that any mainstream slicer is compatible.
3D Maker Kid you sure that cura supports the subtractive manufacturing part? or the toolchanger? how can this be enabled?
They mentioned a fusion 360 plugin for this
@@GRuizMedia I'm just quoting the video.
@@devalopr Yeah, that's for the subtractive part.
someone show this to Prusa
Text says PEEK, voice says PEKK, which is it or both?
PAEK
Is this one of them professional voice actors as a Narrator or someone who actually works for the company? He did a great job speaking.
im buying one of them when i win the lottery or 2
LOL theyre not even that expensive.
I hope they checked for patents. I've seen this in the past.
We did.
No more E3D Toolchanger unfortunately 🙁
Ikr, I’d love to build one
2:44 relax lads and lasses. I'm getting flipping shills over here.
too expensive. have better option, i mean more easy to swap the header. just need pin contact and its done by software.
Shut up and take my money!
Sounds expensive.
Gowan my Nan sue c
Thanks Finley, next step: Hollywood! - Sue (Nan) x
So basically that Prusa XL is a pretty version of this with their tweaked extruder...
ja pierdole :0
If you're building this thing to the highest standards, why are you using Silverline dial indicators? Silverline make the cheapest, nastiest tools to actually have a name on them. I wouldn't trust their dial indicators to detect a speed bump, let alone build a precision machine!
While I love your stuff, that overly produced video feels out of place.
Because this video is devoid of any love for what you are doing.
IMO Videos were you are rambling in front of the camera are more your style 😀
@Georgia Willans Change is good and I agree that it is time to up your PR game.
After all you've grown quite a bit.
But that video was a bit to much, there is a fine line between between a sales pitch that is believable and something that feels like a scam in the making.
I honestly believe that in your case really good B-Roll and a good but simple voiceover from somebody who knows what he is talking about is all you need.
For gods sake do not source this out.
It shows, and your audience has enough technical knowledge that those leave a bad aftertaste.
When will people stop using this cliched hype music
@Sam Tumilty Interesting. I can see how in a way it's precisely the right music. But paradoxically that's what's offensive. That is, the arrogance of obviously trying to shape the viewer's opinion with simple, insipid hype music that we've already heard on every kickstarter video.
@@haley8004 At least it's a little different. The 'drop' supposedly has dubstep influences to it. Usually we try to break the mold; for instance we used Trip-Hop for the Hemera video.
@@E3DOnline Yeah that music was better. I think if it's something a fair number of people would actually listen to it's OK. Also your own narration was way better, despite having to do a few overdubs. Personally I always prefer no music throughout. Unless it's super cheesy but endearing Hiwin linear guide video music, which I loved so much I even made a remix: soundcloud.com/haleypearse/processing-of-the-block
@@E3DOnline Huge respect to e3d BTW for great designs, open sourcing and sharing the design process.
Ludicrously overpriced...
Its a nice FDM printer but its a bit late, SLA is what people are looking for these days.
i disagree, thsi thing is perfect for my school, sla would be a nightmare at this stage
Sla cannot replace fdm, and vice versa, very different use cases
As stated by another person, FDM and SLA have entirely different use cases.
@@squirrelrobotics Yeah, I got into SLA pretty early on with some of the same wrong impressions (that somehow SLA was just 'better'), it did NOT take long for me to discover that wasn't the case at all. It's basically trading one set of strengths and weaknesses for a different set of strengths and weaknesses.
@@ualdayan Tanks for confirming my thought about SLA, it look nice for figurine or sculpting, but I don't know how long I can go without messing all my workspace lol, next machine will be something like that or an MMU for my MK3S , If the printing size is bigger, and I cant build a business case to the wife, I buy that! and hopefully in Kit! :O) Great work @E3D
PEEK... not PEKK.