Funny story: my mom used to babysit for Leo Durucher and one of his three or four wives whenever they would come to Denver to see his sister. She said they would come back screaming at each other and be in some big fight, ostensibly from wherever they went out that night, and then, before he would pay my mom, they would go in the bedroom for 20 minutes, both returning laughing and obviously made up. My mom was only around 13 at the time and was understandably confused about all this because she came from a family where I'm sure sex was something that was only penciled in on certain times and never discussed. She also said that she used to hear him come home a little hammered and cussing in these hilarious ways that to her was so shocking, but so funny even she was laughing. Always spoke highly of him, as a real gentleman though. Said one night she was scared walking home, and so he walked her home to make sure she was okay. He even took her to a minor league game and showed her how to keep score. And that's really why she loved baseball her whole life even though no one else in her family did. I think it's fair to say Leo was totally rocking some major BDE with the ladies.
Timing 100% is the reason why people hate the Astros and not the Giants. If we found out tomorrow that a team that won a World Series in the late 60s or early 70s was cheating it would be an interesting footnote in baseball history. Most people who watched/ played in the series are either elderly or dead, every player and coach is long retired. But if we found out tomorrow the '20 Dodgers or '21 Braves cheated it would be an outrage. The teams are still mostly intact and almost all players and coaches are still active in MLB and so are the teams they beat (in this scenario by cheating) to win the world series. Fans would want to see punishment leveled by the league just like we wanted for the Astros coaches and players.
I mentioned this in another comment, but sign stealing strictly has never been against the rules. _Conveying_ the sign _is_ against the rules, as of 1961 (mechanically) and 2001 (electronically). So, yes, timing, but it's not just recency bias.
@@BLT1967too sure sign stealing isn't illegal or even immoral but when you bring electronics into it that's when it becomes illegal and immoral nobody cared if a runner on second is stealing signs just don't involve cameras
@@kan6039 "Illegal": This simply is not true-for the 1951 Giants at least. The league did not abolish optical aid until 1961 (the Giants used a telescope, not a camera), and they did not abolish electronics for communications until 2001 (the Giants used a buzzer). I guess the bullpen telephone doesn't count as forbidden electronics. "Immoral": That's a personal judgment call. More interesting to me is whether the other clubs would consider it beyond the pale, rather than the general public. I suspect they would have, and would have retaliated accordingly. (For example, the batter stealing the sign directly from the catcher is against the unspoken rules. You get beaned for that BS.) But I really don't know for sure; it falls in that "75 percent sure" category. And I'm certainly not a professional ballplayer! Ultimately, my comment was in connection to the question of why the 1951 Giants and 2017 and 2018 Astros are treated differently. I've pointed out that the rules were different for those two teams. That and the passage of time (not a lot of Brooklyn Dodgers fans are still around) account for it, I think.
My dad was a huge NY Giants fan. He tells a different story as to the remarkable run by the Giants to catch the Dodgers in the standings. You mentioned that the Dodgers swept the Giants on Aug. 8,9. During one of those games, Jackie Robinson crossed home plate, and made an 'unsportsmanlike' gesture to the Giants. The Giants manager held a meeting and said something along the lines like, "Did you all see what he did? I want you all to play your hearts out for the rest of the season, we're gonna catch the Dodgers if it's the last thing we do."
@@kevinmadden1645 It would be interesting to view scans of the local newspapers from those dates to see if there's any mention of the story my dad told me. Possible just another piece to this puzzle.
Doctoring a baseball originally was not cheating.Spitballs was outlawed because back in the day they only had so many balls and most players chewed tobacco so the balls would get all sowed up.Burleigh Grimes was actually godfathered in to keep using it until he retired.
They tried to save balls in those days and the pitchers would spit on the ball and then rub dirt on it and it became dangerous because the batters couldn’t see the ball. That’s how Chapman was killed. After the 1920 season(it was limited to 1 spitball pitcher per team in 1919) 17 “spitballers” were allowed to keep using it. The last one was thrown legally on 1934 and I think it was Grimes.
What this tells me is that the Dodgers need to get better what knowing when they're being cheated. It was nearly 70 years and they still hadn't figured it out
Nobody was "cheated"... Horseshxt language. A QB looks at the defensive formation to see if he can find a tell... a clue.. so he can have an advantage. That is not cheating. Reading the other baseball team's signs is not cheating either.. it is simply trying to find a clue as to what they are doing.. part of the game. Tired of the sissy boy tears and lack of understanding. Stop the crying.
Great video man. Just subscribed. Looking forward to seeing what else ya come up with! One thing that might be an interesting video could be the red seat in right field at Fenway; the spot [supposedly] marking the location of the furthest hit ball in Fenway history, hit by Ted Williams. The seat is freaking FAR out there and it’s now sort of thought that it might be a bit further back than the ball actually went. Can you gumshoe this one and find out if there’s any truth to Ted Williams longest homerun at Fenway? lol I’d be super interested, speaking for myself at least
Thomson never took his eyes off Branca. Look at the film. How's he gonna take a sign from the ourfield 450' away when he never takes his eyes off the pitcher? Also he hit Branca like he owned him so why would he be looking for help?
Stealing signs was never illegal, as long as the plaeyrs and coaches ON THE FIELD or in the cdugout did it. It was the fifth home run Thompson hit off Branca that year. The underlying problem for the Dodgers in those days was that Charlie Dressen, their manager, had no idea how to handle pitchers. When a pitcher had a sore arm, Dressen told them to just get out there and pitch and work it out. Casey Stengel, the Yankees' manager, on the other hand, knew enough to save his best pitcher Whitey Ford for the big games. Ford was not allowed to pitch too many innings during the season, so he'd still be fresh for the World Series.
Great video but 3 mispronunciations: Monte Irvin. Montee. Clem Labine. La-bine like wine, cookie Lavagetto like lavajetto. I’m old enough to remember these guys so it hurt my ears. Otherwise, great video and beautifully researched
Bro can we not get over the Astros yet? They were just the only ones that got caught. This year Mookie literally admitted the Red Sox did it & said quote "...yeah everybody was." This year the Dodgers also hired a "video coordinator" that was literally suspended with the Red Sox...
Sign stealing for a player, with their eyeballs, while _ON_ the field is simply part of the game. If a coach can’t make/change-up the signs well enough and a player(s) can tell what’s coming… that’s on the signER lol once they start using cameras and smart watches, banging in trash cans or sticking a buzzer in their jersey _(ASTROS!)_ is _NOT_ part of the game. It’s cheap and pathetic. What the Sox did was bad but what Houston did should have resulted in player suspensions (see: Jose Altuve getting away with _BLATANT_ electronic buzzer cheat) I’ll never respect Altuve again bc I assume he’s just a cheat.
Wow! Who would've thought the Expression: "Nice Guys Finish Last" was an abbreviation of a saying from Giants Head Coach pertaining to winning at any costs necessary - especially cheating. Wild how the original quote was something to the effect of "Nice guys finish in 7th place" (last place in the division)
Look, if you can, on the fly, pick up a pitcher tipping his pitchers, without the help of any video or electronics, then it’s fair game. It’s not the others team fault that your pitcher is telegraphing their sweeping curveball.
It lived on in infamy? Meaning people hate it, and think of it as shameful? Like the nazis? God people using this word wrong didn't used to annoy me so much but literally every youtube video essayist has to make this mistake once and it's driving me nuts!
This is THE reason why I can't listen to anyone claiming the Houston Astros should be stripped of their 2017 title when they only did pretty much the exact same thing the Giants did here.
Not to mention the red Sox of 2018 did the same thing. But some how they are completely clear of all criticism. A lot of those people are now dodgers as well😂 I like racing, and racing culture is if you aren't cheating you aren't trying. People like to hate. Almost robotic sheep "derr derr astros cheated derr" whatever the case they will ignorantly hold into it forever. Until then, ill still be buying altuve and bregman rookies for dirt cheap
Conveying the sign stealing mechanically (such as a garbage can lid) was not made against the rules until 1961. Effectively, electronic communication was made against the rules in 2001. In my opinion, the Giants didn't cheat, nor did they violate unwritten rules. However, it may tend to cheapen their enormous comeback in the standings. (The 1951 Giants themselves probably thought so, since the story was not made public until 2001.)
Reading the other team's signs is like a QB reading a defense before the snap... Part of the game. Stop with all the "cheating". If you're unhappy the other team figured out your signs.. be better at it.
Sir, At least an acknowledgment of my original research would be appreciated. I know one of your sources is "The National Pastime." At least list a bibliography!
@@dcatura1 leaning heavily towards A... For after he hits one of the most iconic Homer's in MLB history. He doesn't want his teammates to pull his jersey off. Which had become standard protocol with moments like that. Instead running into the dugout while his teammates celebrated. And he changed his story why he didn't want it removed several times. First was he just got a tattoo and didn't want it exposed. And another was his wife forbid him to take it off anymore. And he's since then has removed it a few times.
The scoreboard in the Polo Grounds was 500+ feet to home plate. How do you “steal” a sign, relay it to 3rd base coach and then to batter before pitch is thrown? IMO, that’s a stretch without technology. Admittedly, I’m a 3rd generation Giants fan who saw the 9th inning(school kept me from seeing the whole game) and Bobby Thomson’s HR; I was more concerned that Thomson might not have touched home plate. BTW, during that stretch run, the Giants beat Newcombe 16-0 in one game and I watched Dark and Stanky pull off a triple play in another. That’s just good baseball.
I honestly don't care if a sign gets stolen. You make your next pitch public, then you really don't have a right to complain when the other team pays attention. I'm at a loss as to why catcher signs didn't get phased out in favor of electronic equipment by the end of the 90s so that the Astros controversy never happens.
It depends on how the signs get stolen. Most people are fine with a player on the field having a signal when a careless catcher doesn't mix things up. The problem comes when technology is involved like WWII sniper binoculars or telephoto lenses. It's the same reason why Andy Reid in football started the trend I'd covering up his mouth when calling a play so lip readers couldn't figure out what he was saying, and why so many were infuriated by Spygate.
@@wvu05 I really don't care if it's being signaled from a runner at 2nd base or an ultra-sophisticated system that still ends with hitting a trash can. If I can figure out the signs from my couch, then it's public information. It absolutely doesn't bother me that it gets back to the batter. All sign stealing controversies are just silly.
I wouldn’t let the less than convincing batting statistics decide whether or not the ‘51 Giants cheated. The only stat that really matters is the Win/Loss column. They could never have accomplished what they did without the huge advantage of their batters knowing whether a fastball or breaking ball is coming.
Fun Fact: Without cheating and googling/wiking the answer (this is from the movie Little Big League), who here happens to know who was waiting on deck when Bobby hit that famous home run?
If electronic sign-stealing has been a known issue in MLB since the 19th century, and MLB has done very little to stop it, why should any fan give a damn about it in the slightest?
@@JohnSmith-zw8vp I fail to see where using a buzzer for communication from a spy is substantially different from using a trash can for communication from a spy.
Is a Quarterback "cheating" when he reads the other team's defense? No.. of course not. Reading the other Baseball Team's signs is no different. Both are looking for an advantage.. a tell as to what is coming. Please stop with all the "cheating" blah blah blah. If your signs are being found out.. make better ones.
Wait.. the Giants AND the Dodgers were former NY teams? Given that the NFL Rams came from Ohio, I'm wondering: are ALL California teams just someone else's hand-me-downs?
Astros cheated on the road, hence the trash can in Canada. Empty stadium and you could hear the trash can echo. Astros stats were significantly better than the next best team.
13:50...How does film of Willie Mays hitting a HR in Candlestick Park, San Francisco, have any relevance to the Giants' allegedly questionable 1951 pennant chase? But, no problem. I'll gladly watch video anytime of MLB's greatest living legend.
so you mean to tell me to the dodgers have been getting screwed out of titles due to sign stealing since the 50’s?😂😂😂😂😂😂 this makes me hate the Giants even more!!!
Did the giant s cheat? Yes. Does it matter? No. Cheating can only get you so far. You still need to hit the ball and make the right plays. In addition, its u clear of KNOWING what pitch is coming can help. Sometimes it hinders your concentration. Plus, let’s be honest, cheating in baseball is a time honored tradition. The way the giants stole signs is quite ingenious Ann’s also quite silly and I would be telling my team, if I were a coach, to use their methods of possible. So we have a great story and baseball should be proud of that.
@@MyMW3Channel aha. A fan of his intelligence, batting prowess, and fielding? Yes. I would want any ball player to just try to reach his stratosphere. We are living in the post-Bonds era. And fans should be more appreciative of that. Now, as a person…morally? No. And it’s prob why he dosnt get my vote into the hall.
Mike Fiers was the whistle blower on the Astros. He ratted because AJ Hinch left him off of the playoff roster in 2017. Why? Fiers almost cost the Astros some games in 2017. He wasn't exactly a Cy Young type pitcher. Hinch wanted to WIN. Fiers may have kept his mouth SHUT if not for fact that after Fiers was off the Astros after 2017 the Astros ate his lunch each time he faced his former team. He was just bitter because he wasn't wearing a 2017 World Series Championship ring.
Anyone who actually pays attention has heard this over and over. If you're a child maybe you should just be quiet and leave the discussion to adults and if you call yourself a baseball fan how in the hell have you not heard of this?
If MLB execs had had any huevos rancheros, they would have had the Astros vacate the World Series that year AND either had them either play all their games on the road or forfeit all 81 home games.
Wrong ... Reading another team's signs is like a QB reading the other team's defense. If your signs are being figured out.. make better ones. Stop with all the "cheating" talk... Other teams are watching you to get an advantage in every sport. Boo hoo hoo.
@@TenGreenRangers It wasn't about stealing signs - as mentioned it's done all time or at least tried. It was HOW they did it - using technology, not the guy on 2nd figuring it out and quickly relaying it to the hitter.
Another crybaby Dodger fan, making excuses for why Dodger Blue almost always chokes when the chips are down. Also, don't the practically equal home/away stats for the '51 Giants after 7/20/1951 indicate that the team was simply on a hot streak?
What's "fraudulent" is not even being able to spell Bobby THOMSON's name correctly, yet accusing him of cheating on this play. Clickbait! Learn the story of the pitch: that Branca was trying to back Thomson off the plate, and he missed the target, so Thomson pulled his arms in and hit the ball into the lower deck.
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😭 I wouldnt want black players in my league either. What ever they touch goes to sh!t. If the MLB was all black theyd destroy it. Stop crying about your stupid racism bull shit. No one cares. Its way overplayed
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Funny story: my mom used to babysit for Leo Durucher and one of his three or four wives whenever they would come to Denver to see his sister. She said they would come back screaming at each other and be in some big fight, ostensibly from wherever they went out that night, and then, before he would pay my mom, they would go in the bedroom for 20 minutes, both returning laughing and obviously made up. My mom was only around 13 at the time and was understandably confused about all this because she came from a family where I'm sure sex was something that was only penciled in on certain times and never discussed. She also said that she used to hear him come home a little hammered and cussing in these hilarious ways that to her was so shocking, but so funny even she was laughing.
Always spoke highly of him, as a real gentleman though. Said one night she was scared walking home, and so he walked her home to make sure she was okay. He even took her to a minor league game and showed her how to keep score. And that's really why she loved baseball her whole life even though no one else in her family did.
I think it's fair to say Leo was totally rocking some major BDE with the ladies.
Leo was very explicit about how he chased women when he was a player.....you wouldn't want your daughter to go out with him.....
Timing 100% is the reason why people hate the Astros and not the Giants. If we found out tomorrow that a team that won a World Series in the late 60s or early 70s was cheating it would be an interesting footnote in baseball history. Most people who watched/ played in the series are either elderly or dead, every player and coach is long retired. But if we found out tomorrow the '20 Dodgers or '21 Braves cheated it would be an outrage. The teams are still mostly intact and almost all players and coaches are still active in MLB and so are the teams they beat (in this scenario by cheating) to win the world series. Fans would want to see punishment leveled by the league just like we wanted for the Astros coaches and players.
I mentioned this in another comment, but sign stealing strictly has never been against the rules. _Conveying_ the sign _is_ against the rules, as of 1961 (mechanically) and 2001 (electronically). So, yes, timing, but it's not just recency bias.
I think the MLB should officially address this
@@BLT1967too sure sign stealing isn't illegal or even immoral but when you bring electronics into it that's when it becomes illegal and immoral nobody cared if a runner on second is stealing signs just don't involve cameras
@@kan6039 "Illegal": This simply is not true-for the 1951 Giants at least. The league did not abolish optical aid until 1961 (the Giants used a telescope, not a camera), and they did not abolish electronics for communications until 2001 (the Giants used a buzzer). I guess the bullpen telephone doesn't count as forbidden electronics.
"Immoral": That's a personal judgment call. More interesting to me is whether the other clubs would consider it beyond the pale, rather than the general public. I suspect they would have, and would have retaliated accordingly. (For example, the batter stealing the sign directly from the catcher is against the unspoken rules. You get beaned for that BS.) But I really don't know for sure; it falls in that "75 percent sure" category. And I'm certainly not a professional ballplayer!
Ultimately, my comment was in connection to the question of why the 1951 Giants and 2017 and 2018 Astros are treated differently. I've pointed out that the rules were different for those two teams. That and the passage of time (not a lot of Brooklyn Dodgers fans are still around) account for it, I think.
@@BLT1967too I apologize I understood your comment as defending the astros saying that stealing signs is not illegal
My dad was a huge NY Giants fan. He tells a different story as to the remarkable run by the Giants to catch the Dodgers in the standings. You mentioned that the Dodgers swept the Giants on Aug. 8,9. During one of those games, Jackie Robinson crossed home plate, and made an 'unsportsmanlike' gesture to the Giants. The Giants manager held a meeting and said something along the lines like, "Did you all see what he did? I want you all to play your hearts out for the rest of the season, we're gonna catch the Dodgers if it's the last thing we do."
❤What does all of this have to do with sign stealing? Incidentally, I have been a Yankees fan since 1954.
@@kevinmadden1645 It would be interesting to view scans of the local newspapers from those dates to see if there's any mention of the story my dad told me. Possible just another piece to this puzzle.
This Giants team were huge cheaters. They only won all those games, because they started stealing signs in an illegal manner.
@@InUteroKDC For some reason it was not well known until 2001, the fiftieth anniversary of the home run.
@@kevinmadden1645 I’ve always felt like MLB and the media over the decades just didn’t want the truth to get in the way of a good story.
Doctoring a baseball originally was not cheating.Spitballs was outlawed because back in the day they only had so many balls and most players chewed tobacco so the balls would get all sowed up.Burleigh Grimes was actually godfathered in to keep using it until he retired.
I thought they where banned because it killed a guy
They tried to save balls in those days and the pitchers would spit on the ball and then rub dirt on it and it became dangerous because the batters couldn’t see the ball. That’s how Chapman was killed. After the 1920 season(it was limited to 1 spitball pitcher per team in 1919) 17 “spitballers” were allowed to keep using it. The last one was thrown legally on 1934 and I think it was Grimes.
@@rupert_1491That was the final straw it was banned after the 1920 season.
And Red Faber, and others.
@@staringatthesun861 Also Fred Anderson, who pitched for the NY Giants.
What this tells me is that the Dodgers need to get better what knowing when they're being cheated. It was nearly 70 years and they still hadn't figured it out
And the Yankees are crybabies
Nobody was "cheated"... Horseshxt language. A QB looks at the defensive formation to see if he can find a tell... a clue.. so he can have an advantage. That is not cheating. Reading the other baseball team's signs is not cheating either.. it is simply trying to find a clue as to what they are doing.. part of the game. Tired of the sissy boy tears and lack of understanding. Stop the crying.
#dodgers and #yankees are the biggest #cheaters
@@TheMan750says the cheating astros fan
To paraphrase Charles Barkley, any Dodgers team or fan accusing another team of cheating is like Whoopi Goldberg calling Halle Berry ugly.
The worst Wednesday afternoon game in Dodger history.
Great video man. Just subscribed. Looking forward to seeing what else ya come up with!
One thing that might be an interesting video could be the red seat in right field at Fenway; the spot [supposedly] marking the location of the furthest hit ball in Fenway history, hit by Ted Williams. The seat is freaking FAR out there and it’s now sort of thought that it might be a bit further back than the ball actually went. Can you gumshoe this one and find out if there’s any truth to Ted Williams longest homerun at Fenway? lol I’d be super interested, speaking for myself at least
Thomson never took his eyes off Branca. Look at the film. How's he gonna take a sign from the ourfield 450' away when he never takes his eyes off the pitcher? Also he hit Branca like he owned him so why would he be looking for help?
Stealing signs was never illegal, as long as the plaeyrs and coaches ON THE FIELD or in the cdugout did it. It was the fifth home run Thompson hit off Branca that year. The underlying problem for the Dodgers in those days was that Charlie Dressen, their manager, had no idea how to handle pitchers. When a pitcher had a sore arm, Dressen told them to just get out there and pitch and work it out. Casey Stengel, the Yankees' manager, on the other hand, knew enough to save his best pitcher Whitey Ford for the big games. Ford was not allowed to pitch too many innings during the season, so he'd still be fresh for the World Series.
Stengel held Whitey out of certain series' so he could match him up against the better teams.
Great video but 3 mispronunciations: Monte Irvin. Montee. Clem Labine. La-bine like wine, cookie Lavagetto like lavajetto. I’m old enough to remember these guys so it hurt my ears. Otherwise, great video and beautifully researched
The Giants went 44-15 from August 1 to the end of the season...
Bro can we not get over the Astros yet? They were just the only ones that got caught. This year Mookie literally admitted the Red Sox did it & said quote "...yeah everybody was." This year the Dodgers also hired a "video coordinator" that was literally suspended with the Red Sox...
Not gonna lie, I kinda like how cheating and baseball have a toxic romance
Sick!
What kond of technology were they using in 1951? Smoke signals?
Sign stealing for a player, with their eyeballs, while _ON_ the field is simply part of the game. If a coach can’t make/change-up the signs well enough and a player(s) can tell what’s coming… that’s on the signER lol once they start using cameras and smart watches, banging in trash cans or sticking a buzzer in their jersey _(ASTROS!)_ is _NOT_ part of the game. It’s cheap and pathetic. What the Sox did was bad but what Houston did should have resulted in player suspensions (see: Jose Altuve getting away with _BLATANT_ electronic buzzer cheat) I’ll never respect Altuve again bc I assume he’s just a cheat.
Wow! Who would've thought the Expression: "Nice Guys Finish Last" was an abbreviation of a saying from Giants Head Coach pertaining to winning at any costs necessary - especially cheating. Wild how the original quote was something to the effect of "Nice guys finish in 7th place" (last place in the division)
Leo Durocher said that about Mel Ott
@@anthonypopola5773 Thank you!
There is no such thing as a "head coach" in baseball.
Look, if you can, on the fly, pick up a pitcher tipping his pitchers, without the help of any video or electronics, then it’s fair game. It’s not the others team fault that your pitcher is telegraphing their sweeping curveball.
It lived on in infamy? Meaning people hate it, and think of it as shameful? Like the nazis? God people using this word wrong didn't used to annoy me so much but literally every youtube video essayist has to make this mistake once and it's driving me nuts!
that was a very well put together video. thank you
Most iconic play? No
1 of a billion cool baseball plays? Yes
I think it's Top 5 all-time though, in terms of dramatic baseball plays.
Wow, this channel deserves hundreds of thousands of more subscribers
REALLY GREAT job on the video !! Kudos
It’s so weird watching a video on the Giants but their logo is now being used by the Mets
thanks for that explanation-I was confused about it.
this is a solid ass video , I'm definitely gonna be returning
This is THE reason why I can't listen to anyone claiming the Houston Astros should be stripped of their 2017 title when they only did pretty much the exact same thing the Giants did here.
Not to mention the red Sox of 2018 did the same thing. But some how they are completely clear of all criticism. A lot of those people are now dodgers as well😂 I like racing, and racing culture is if you aren't cheating you aren't trying. People like to hate. Almost robotic sheep "derr derr astros cheated derr" whatever the case they will ignorantly hold into it forever. Until then, ill still be buying altuve and bregman rookies for dirt cheap
It's because you're dumb and you think apples and oranges are the same exact thing?
Conveying the sign stealing mechanically (such as a garbage can lid) was not made against the rules until 1961. Effectively, electronic communication was made against the rules in 2001. In my opinion, the Giants didn't cheat, nor did they violate unwritten rules. However, it may tend to cheapen their enormous comeback in the standings. (The 1951 Giants themselves probably thought so, since the story was not made public until 2001.)
Reading the other team's signs is like a QB reading a defense before the snap... Part of the game. Stop with all the "cheating". If you're unhappy the other team figured out your signs.. be better at it.
So if you cheat and there is no statistical proof, it is not cheating?
Sir, At least an acknowledgment of my original research would be appreciated. I know one of your sources is "The National Pastime." At least list a bibliography!
Considering you say 2017 Astros as being the most hated sports team, I posit they come nowhere near the Evil Empire. Great Video though.
Yup, hate the Astros for '17. I'll always hate the Yankees.
Same here
Stealing signs is not cheating its baseball .
Altuve falsely accused?
Nah , He cheated also.
He either:
a. Cheated
b. Benefitted from his teammates cheating
AND:
Didn’t do anything to stop it.
Altuve is a cheater
@@dcatura1 leaning heavily towards A... For after he hits one of the most iconic Homer's in MLB history. He doesn't want his teammates to pull his jersey off. Which had become standard protocol with moments like that. Instead running into the dugout while his teammates celebrated. And he changed his story why he didn't want it removed several times. First was he just got a tattoo and didn't want it exposed. And another was his wife forbid him to take it off anymore. And he's since then has removed it a few times.
Thanks for putting salt in the wound as I was a Dodgers fan in 51.
only 715 subs? woww, good video i subscribed 1k soon
Great video by the way!!!!
The scoreboard in the Polo Grounds was 500+ feet to home plate. How do you “steal” a sign, relay it to 3rd base coach and then to batter before pitch is thrown? IMO, that’s a stretch without technology. Admittedly, I’m a 3rd generation Giants fan who saw the 9th inning(school kept me from seeing the whole game) and Bobby Thomson’s HR; I was more concerned that Thomson might not have touched home plate.
BTW, during that stretch run, the Giants beat Newcombe 16-0 in one game and I watched Dark and Stanky pull off a triple play in another. That’s just good baseball.
Great video! Well done
I honestly don't care if a sign gets stolen. You make your next pitch public, then you really don't have a right to complain when the other team pays attention.
I'm at a loss as to why catcher signs didn't get phased out in favor of electronic equipment by the end of the 90s so that the Astros controversy never happens.
It depends on how the signs get stolen. Most people are fine with a player on the field having a signal when a careless catcher doesn't mix things up. The problem comes when technology is involved like WWII sniper binoculars or telephoto lenses. It's the same reason why Andy Reid in football started the trend I'd covering up his mouth when calling a play so lip readers couldn't figure out what he was saying, and why so many were infuriated by Spygate.
@@wvu05 I really don't care if it's being signaled from a runner at 2nd base or an ultra-sophisticated system that still ends with hitting a trash can. If I can figure out the signs from my couch, then it's public information.
It absolutely doesn't bother me that it gets back to the batter. All sign stealing controversies are just silly.
Well done 👍🏽. #astrosfan here
I wouldn’t let the less than convincing batting statistics decide whether or not the ‘51 Giants cheated. The only stat that really matters is the Win/Loss column. They could never have accomplished what they did without the huge advantage of their batters knowing whether a fastball or breaking ball is coming.
The best bit about comparing the 2017 Astros to the 1951 Giants is the Dodger were on the losing end both times, figure stuff out guys. lol
Fun Fact: Without cheating and googling/wiking the answer (this is from the movie Little Big League), who here happens to know who was waiting on deck when Bobby hit that famous home run?
Willie Mays
@@scottodonnell7121 Back when he was a 21 year old rookie!
@@JohnSmith-zw8vp twenty, not 21 . Born in May,1931 . Five months older than Mantle and Eddie Mathews.
isn't this question answered in the video ?
The "Say Hey Kid" himself, Willie Mays.
Great video. Good work really enjoyed it. Thanks needed this today. All the best.
great vid
Some one say something about cheating?
If electronic sign-stealing has been a known issue in MLB since the 19th century, and MLB has done very little to stop it, why should any fan give a damn about it in the slightest?
How do you have "electronic" sign stealing in the 19th century??
@@JohnSmith-zw8vp a guy with binoculars in centerfield and a wire running to the dugout attached to a buzzer.
@@54raynor A buzzer?? This is baseball, not a game show!!
@@JohnSmith-zw8vp I fail to see where using a buzzer for communication from a spy is substantially different from using a trash can for communication from a spy.
Jomboy is a butthurt Yankee fanboy, that's why.
Any team that blows a 13 1/2 game lead with 40 plus games remaining ? Should be in prison.
hey the Astros are good at cheating..personally it would take alot of the joy of winning away for me but then again im not a professional
Is a Quarterback "cheating" when he reads the other team's defense? No.. of course not. Reading the other Baseball Team's signs is no different. Both are looking for an advantage.. a tell as to what is coming. Please stop with all the "cheating" blah blah blah. If your signs are being found out.. make better ones.
@@TenGreenRangers lol yes it is Astros fan
@@TenGreenRangers,, It's within the rules for a QB to read a defense. Give it up, the Astros just cheated. You are obviously new to baseball.
yes, but without baseball, none of this would have happened..
love this game..
So, tell your pitchers the offence is cheating… and then don't cheat.
Hey "cheating is woven everywhere" when money is involved
Let me be clear on 1 thing I do not condone cheating at all.But you gotta remember something even if you know you still gotta hit it..
Wait.. the Giants AND the Dodgers were former NY teams? Given that the NFL Rams came from Ohio, I'm wondering: are ALL California teams just someone else's hand-me-downs?
The 49'er are home grown. Expansion Padres too.
Yes the Giants & Dodgers were, and if only one team left NY and not both, The Metropolitans (Mets) would not exist.
Astros cheated on the road, hence the trash can in Canada. Empty stadium and you could hear the trash can echo. Astros stats were significantly better than the next best team.
But sign stealing is not illegal I thought.
bro didn't watch the video
@@SilhouetteLifter I got to the end.
@@TheHollomap great! Then you should have all the answers surrounding your question
@@SilhouetteLifter yep. Everyone does it. That is baseball.
Its funny but the yankees did the exact same thing before the Astros
Pretty much every team in baseball has done it, but one team had to take the fall lmao
@@JustLikeYou. yea true
13:50...How does film of Willie Mays hitting a HR in Candlestick Park, San Francisco, have any relevance to the Giants' allegedly questionable 1951 pennant chase? But, no problem. I'll gladly watch video anytime of MLB's greatest living legend.
Ok....Jordan's was a push off. What's your point
so you mean to tell me to the dodgers have been getting screwed out of titles due to sign stealing since the 50’s?😂😂😂😂😂😂 this makes me hate the Giants even more!!!
I think cheating was not prohibited in the 50’s and what the astros did was worse
giants were out scored 14-1 at home going to the bottom of the 9th did they cheat then?
Do you know what K.I.S.S means? All those extra stats have zero meaning
Lots of comments here from people who think cheating is fine, and some even think it's a good thing. Huh.
Baseball rule no.1 If your not cheating your not trying.
12:25 What's to say Altuve was "falsely accused?" Was it ever proven he WASN'T wearing a wire, or are we merely going off his lame excuses?
Creative ways to skirt the rules are part of baseball. I don't get mad when I see it. I admire it as part of the game.
Falsely accused?
Did the giant s cheat? Yes. Does it matter? No. Cheating can only get you so far. You still need to hit the ball and make the right plays. In addition, its u clear of KNOWING what pitch is coming can help. Sometimes it hinders your concentration.
Plus, let’s be honest, cheating in baseball is a time honored tradition. The way the giants stole signs is quite ingenious Ann’s also quite silly and I would be telling my team, if I were a coach, to use their methods of possible.
So we have a great story and baseball should be proud of that.
You sound like a Barry Bonds fan.
@@MyMW3Channel aha. A fan of his intelligence, batting prowess, and fielding? Yes. I would want any ball player to just try to reach his stratosphere. We are living in the post-Bonds era. And fans should be more appreciative of that. Now, as a person…morally? No. And it’s prob why he dosnt get my vote into the hall.
A few games really mattered with Astros it gave them home vs yankees and yankees won all their home games in that series
Mike Fiers was the whistle blower on the Astros. He ratted because AJ Hinch left him off of the playoff roster in 2017. Why? Fiers almost cost the Astros some games in 2017. He wasn't exactly a Cy Young type pitcher. Hinch wanted to WIN. Fiers may have kept his mouth SHUT if not for fact that after Fiers was off the Astros after 2017 the Astros ate his lunch each time he faced his former team. He was just bitter because he wasn't wearing a 2017 World Series Championship ring.
I could care less... Reading another team's signs is like a QB reading the other team's defense- part of the game. So many crybabies.
The worse play ever Bucky dent🤢🤮
The 51 Giants in that run actually hit better on the road than they did at home. So it’s bunk.
You obviously didn’t watch the video, #genius? #dancetolivemusic
@@figmillenium you’re right. Because I’m sick of the narrative.
The astros mainly used buzzers not trash cans
shit millions of modern fans dont know about isnt the most iconic play in baseball
Anyone who actually pays attention has heard this over and over. If you're a child maybe you should just be quiet and leave the discussion to adults and if you call yourself a baseball fan how in the hell have you not heard of this?
They couldn't play Hodges' call.......after 72 years??!!
You gotta be kidding me!!!
BTW, was he related to GIL Hodges?
And you don’t have the rights to broadcast a film starring a certain mouse born 95 years ago. #mickeymouse
If MLB execs had had any huevos rancheros, they would have had the Astros vacate the World Series that year AND either had them either play all their games on the road or forfeit all 81 home games.
Wrong ... Reading another team's signs is like a QB reading the other team's defense. If your signs are being figured out.. make better ones. Stop with all the "cheating" talk... Other teams are watching you to get an advantage in every sport. Boo hoo hoo.
@@TenGreenRangers It wasn't about stealing signs - as mentioned it's done all time or at least tried. It was HOW they did it - using technology, not the guy on 2nd figuring it out and quickly relaying it to the hitter.
@@TenGreenRangersBullshit
12:25 okay. This tells us all we need to know about your credibility
Ha ha! Cubs were so bad they had to cheat and they still couldn't win.
Another crybaby Dodger fan, making excuses for why Dodger Blue almost always chokes when the chips are down.
Also, don't the practically equal home/away stats for the '51 Giants after 7/20/1951 indicate that the team was simply on a hot streak?
I detect a Brady-Patriot hater at the end of video. Haters gonna hate. As you said, still gotta play the game. Patriots 6 SB's , Brady -7 SB's.
Well done. EXCEPT that too many players' names were mispronounced. Sad.
The original Astros
What's "fraudulent" is not even being able to spell Bobby THOMSON's name correctly, yet accusing him of cheating on this play. Clickbait! Learn the story of the pitch: that Branca was trying to back Thomson off the plate, and he missed the target, so Thomson pulled his arms in and hit the ball into the lower deck.
The Astros used buzzers
#evidence?
Blah, blah, blah. Booooooooooooring.
YOU know WHAT WAS CHEATING AT IT'S BEST WAS
HOW THEY KEPT BLK PLAYERS OUT OF BASEBALL UNTIL 47 AND STILL TREATED (JACKIE) THEM LIKE SHTTTTTTTT SHTTTTTTTT
Racism was secondary
😭 I wouldnt want black players in my league either. What ever they touch goes to sh!t. If the MLB was all black theyd destroy it. Stop crying about your stupid racism bull shit. No one cares. Its way overplayed
schizophrenia?
STFU. Video has nothing at all to do with racism so why bring it up? Get over it and yourself.
Newcombe never won a big game in his life. No guts at all.
@@kevinmadden1645
Another racist white
It's not cheating to hve a ADVANTAGE and use it
It kinda depends on how you got that advantage...