That's honestly how I feel about the Switch era. Looking at it in the vacuum, there is a fair share of content to offer. However, as a successor to the Wii U and the 3DS, it is incredibly lackluster. It all feels devalued because I owned a Wii U. I kind of regret not having a 3DS earlier because a lot of franchises I got to play on Switch had better counterparts on that console. I bought a Series X at launch and it is a much better console to play third party games on, so I can't even excuse the lacking exclusives with the multiplatform games.
@@GQtheGamer yep, with barely any proper grip to them like the joycon's tend to loose grip for me more than the wii remote because of how small the joycon's are. It also doesn't feel right to hold like the wii remote again because of it's size. Honestly I'd feel bad for kids who have trouble properly holding stuff because the small joycon's will probably affect them the most unfortunately and turning them sideways is worse because of how small it is. Edit again: although i do that without the wrist strap the wii remote if you used too much force then it would fling or fall out of your hands lol. Idk if the joycon wrist strap fixed this problem though.
Alright, I’m just going to come out and say it. Satoru Iwata was a president who cared about games first and foremost. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that 2-3 years after his death that Nintendo slows down their output of games because they are making just as much money if not more by drip-feeding their customers. (The implication being that the games given the green-light under Iwata were produced and shipped in that time-frame). Let’s be real, that Mario 3D-Allstars s**t wouldn’t have happened under Iwata, NO WAY!
@@rohitkashyap9904 Then how come we got a lazy port of Super Mario All-Stars snes during Mario's 25th anniversary? Also blaming his death won't make a difference
I know that this comment is old. But it's true that during the wii era on the 25th anniversary of Mario. All we got was a lazy port of SNES games. But iwata did fix his mistake during the wii u era and actually gave us a good new original game called super Mario maker for the 30th anniversary(hopefully i said that right). Edit: the games during iwata's era were delayed but for good reason to make sure that they ran well and were complete finished games. Also like this video said there were 3ds games during the wait time for new wii u games so at least people got to play something while waiting.
@@M64bros I know this reply is 5 months overdue. I did not originally see your reply then, so I am rectifying that now. Mario’s 25th anniversary did not use inferior versions of the game (Shindo rom). And it was not missing games that should have been celebrated. Mario 3D all-stars did not have Mario galaxy 2. The 25th anniversary edition did not have super Mario world, but that is still consistent as it wasn’t a re-release of “super Mario all stars +”. Oh and the large point, they did not scrub the game from the stores at the end of the fiscal year. That’s where I strongly believe Iwata would not have done that.
@@sias.2569 I'm pretty sure he would do the exact same thing considering the fact that legend of Zelda 4 swords was also a "limited release" on the original DSi in 3DS The problem is we can't keep blaming Iwata's death, It has already created a bunch of toxic controversy with the Nintendo community and it needs to stop
YES, finally somebody understands! I'm a Wii U apologist, and trying to get people to understand my stance has always been an uphill battle. Thank you for reassuring me that I'm not the only one.
The Wiiu was a huge part of my life and when I found out so many people hated it I was genuinely shocked. The 3DS and Wiiu generation was so incredible. Everything was so happy and filled with passion! Unfortunately nowadays I feel like it's all about business now :/
@@JeysArcade However it did have some flaws as well, Don't just pretend everything was beautiful and pretty during that era They had dmca strikes of their own, horrible Wii U marking, terrible advertisements, Wii U games based on 3DS games, Star Fox zero, Mario tennis ultra smash, Metroid Prime Federation Force, Paper Mario sticker Star and amiibo festival I'm saying this as a 3DS and a Wii U owner of my own they had good memories but they are nowhere better than the switch era, I'm not nostalgia blind.
@@M64bros Who said everything was perfect during the Wii U/3DS era? It doesn't help that most of the issues you mentioned exist on the Switch as well. Nintendo's always been overprotective of their IPs, nothing new there. The Wii U's terrible marketing has nothing to do with the quality of the system. Many of the Switch's best-selling games are clearly sequels to or improved versions of 3DS games, much like the Wii U (which I don't really see as an issue). The Switch has its fair share of mediocre games as well, ex. Super Mario Party, Switch Sports, Kirby Star Allies, 1-2-Switch, Yoshi's Crafted World, basically all the Mario Sports games, etc. This has nothing to do with nostalgia.
@@makaronishenouda6413 and the successful switch games, are they mediocre? It can't be Mario and Zelda 24/4 all the time. There are also successful third party games as well other people love besides Mario and Zelda. The reason is why we're getting those ports is because most people weren't able to get a Wii U back then and really want to try those games on the switch and they run better on the switch hardware.
THANK YOU. This is something I always felt about the switch and I always felt like these issues were extremely overlooked. I like the switch but it is definitely inferior to the 3DS and Wii U. Hardware wise, menu, UI and game wise. The 3DS is my favourite but I always felt like the Wii U deserved love. I’m so sick of people saying the Wii U is “the worst Nintendo console” and that “it has no games” many of the switches great games started on the Wii U, so don’t act like the Wii U was trash and praise the switch to oblivion.
As a Wii U, 3DS, and Switch owner, I 100% agree with you. The 1st part game lineup of the Nintendo Switch in 2022 is so weak. You got two games that push the series forward, two disappointing unfinished games, one game that is barely called a sequel, the other looking fantastic and that's basically it really sad honestly.
FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS ME! I just loved the 3ds and wii u era, it just was better in every way to me! Planning to buy a 3ds and maybe after that if i can, a wii u because of the amazing games it has to offer (i had a switch until i sold it btw)
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 wii u was not the only reason i sold my switch tho, the game prices in my country is quarter, sometimes 1\3 of the minimum wage, they are not buyable. I just can't afford to buy switch games anymore with an american dollar being 15₺. The minimum wage is like 270-300 and one game is 60-100 dollars changing if it's a 1st party game or not.
@@marcelojogos6247 No, You’re crazy for thinking the Wii U and 3DS are better than the switch, dude! The Wii U sucks so much! Switch is much more fun! He needs to buy it back! Hopefully he already did!
@@marcelojogos6247agreed. The switch is bad. And I have a 3ds, Wii U, and switch. I’m very nostalgic for my 3ds but sadly I didn’t find very much games back then for my Wii U. I hope to soon. This era is just shit. The anti consumer breaking records. We’re missing so many things like charming menus and software and something like miiverse or streetpass. The switch’s hardware is so much worse. It’s laggy and buggy. The online service… I could go on
@@marcelojogos6247 I'm going to say this and it's the truth. The Nintendo switch is actually better than the 3DS and the Wii U. I'm really sorry but it's true. Not everyone around the world can actually afford a Wii back then and there's a good reason why Nintendo is porting those Wii U games to the switch. There are games out there that those people really wanted to try back then but were unable to because they didn't have a Wii U. However, I still have my 3DS with me that it's better than the Wii U as well. I still play on my Wii U 3DS and switch still to this day
The probable reason why most Switch games have been feeling shorter or having less content than older Nintendo games is because Nintendo has been quite low on ideas since the Switch era. It feels to me that most of the switch games released in 2018 were just Wii U ports.
I think the thing is with the wii u and the 3ds era was that it felt like there was a community that all loved nintento through thick and thin and even though nintendo was still stubborn as they are now, they still made games that people talked about for months on end. tbh idk at least for me it felt like all my friends were into nintendo and that there were so many games to play with them
I agree. It used to be a much more chill community. And yeah, each game release felt more significant and talked about. Guess that's the result of having a smaller community and less games.
@@davemarquez770 five words, better quality games on both. Meaning both the wii u and gamecube have god tier quality games on them(ok mostly Nintendo games) but the point still stands sure both console's had a hard time but they were still great consoles after their peak and people are still talking about them a decade later. That's saying something(it means they're good consoles bro). But honestly you kinda sound like a troll or a shill either way please understand that people have their own opinions and it should be respected even if you disagree with them. I get it, you love the switch but at least watch the video before making dumb comments because honestly it sounds like you didn't watch it at all and are hate it because it's not your opinion (at least that's what It sounds like to me. But please correct me if I'm wrong). But the switch can have some good games yes, but it started to go downhill fast in late 2018 and plus the 3ds and wii u are definitely better than the switch in my opinion nowadays because they have charm, personality, great first party games and an awesome user interface and controllers that don't drift 24/7 and can actually fit in your hands(the wii remote and the ds are the best controllers Nintendo has made). Anyway sorry for this being long, also the main reason I replied is because well you probably didn't watch the video and claiming that the switch has better games or scores or whatever than the previous generations doesn't sound right. Again correct me if wrong. Cya edit: i looked at one of your previous replies and you didn't even list any Nintendo first party games for the wii u and you call the wii u games bad seriously dude? Also most first party Nintendo wii u games got rereleased on switch for full price and some of those games are a decade old or less. It's a rip off. Idk how to make this easier to read =( ok maybe i overrated but my point is that both the gamecube and wii u had great first party games. That's all
@@davemarquez770 in smash ultimate the only new content is world of light and new dlc characters, a few new stages based on other franchises and i think that was it. They removed trophies, ruined toon link's design and zelda's. I've heard that smash ultimate is worse competitively than smash 4 and considering how Nintendo has been treating the smash community since 2020(yes past years were bad, but 2020 was ten times worse considering people had to stay indoors). Smash 4 had new dlc characters, stage's, costumes and introduced custom mii fighters and you could customize your smash bros character by adding new stats(from what i remember). Also you didn't list any wii u first party games like Mario kart 8, smash 4, mario 3d world, hyrule warriors, Nintendo land, mario bros u, game and wario, donkey Kong tropical freeze etc.(ironically enough i remember more third party for 3ds & wii u than first party, but still great first party games overall) also I'm pretty sure that he said that him not liking bayonetta 3 and fire emblem was his opinion, so try harder for an argument like that. And when smash 4 came out the majority of people loved it and it was praised for another smash bros game and second it was fun and competitive. I've heard that star fox is bad, but idk cas i haven't played it yet. Oh and also he listed more games than star fox zero if you watched the video bro. I can see why he would think smash ultimate is weaker considering that it removed trophies and most of the content is just stages from past games i mean don't get me wrong they added some new stuff, but not enough for 60 dollars, at best it should've been 40 or less and the competitive scene in smash ultimate isn't as good as 4 considering that they changed so much of the controls competitive wise and made it worse. Also personally i don't care about the switch like at all because for me in late 2018 when they added paid online and locked retro games behind a paywall. I knew that Nintendo wasn't the same anymore which is sad, i mean sure back then they did some anti consumer stuff like the 25th anniversary mario edition was a bunch of nes ports i think that's right hopefully. But during the wii u era made super Mario maker for the anniversary and that was superior considering that it was a new game and two you could finally make you're own levels and share them. "He did no research on why there might be less games than 3ds/wii u" dude he shows a timeline of the games in the video. Yeah the switch has games, some good, some awful(Nintendo switch sports, Mario strikers battle league, kirby star allies, 1,2 switch, skyward sword "hd"(the game is fine, it's the business practices that made it worse honestly) and honestly the wii u had more ambitious games than switch(mostly Nintendo land which was awesome compare that to 1,2 switch it's no contest wii u wins there). And i don't really pay attention to Microsoft or sony so idk about their output. Also the only two games that the switch launched with that were promoted a lot was mario odyssey and breath of the wild. Other than that it was Mario kart 8 deluxe which was just a wii u port not an original game. Oh yeah also maybe you should get a hobby instead of replying to most of the comments here. Edit again just counted and you replied 5 times on the videos comments from different people of course. So dude you need a hobby. Oh i forgot to mention this but it's not just the output of games like the video says it's also Nintendo's terrible business practices and how it rips off the consumers basically 60 dollar games plus forced to pay to play online screws over the consumer greatly, how you can't keep retro games anymore unlike the wii u and 3ds that let you keep your games, games saving to the system memory instead of the cartridges or sd card etc. Oh the expansion pack that wants you to pay 50 bucks a month for games you can't keep forever. That's the main con's. I mean don't get me wrong Microsoft started pay to play online bs and then sony followed and now Nintendo. It's sad how far gaming has fallen over the past few years now. I swear soon Nintendo will make glitchy unfinished, buggy, broken messes and shills will still buy it sad man sad.
The discourse around Switch vs. Wii U/3DS has never had me feeling more like I'm taking crazy pills (Though, people often forget to bundle 3DS in with the discussion despite being there the whole generation) These are all valid and obvious points of contention with the Switch, but NOBODY ever talks about them... Like, the Switch is clearly a bad home console from a specs/hardware perspective, with terrible controllers, and no core gimmick to offer third-party games a way to stand out compared to versions on Xbox or PS, unlike the Wii U which could always tout Gamepad features as a selling point (I cannot play Assassin's Creed IV on anything but a Wii U.) But it's even more clearly not a good handheld, by three simple facts. It's uncomfortable to hold, it can't fit in you're pocket, and it's battery life is terrible. There's also another thing that I don't see people talk about often, and that's the fact that people who actually owned and played their Wii U almost always spoke highly of the system at the time, but at some point, maybe around late 2015 to early 2016, it just felt like the court of public opinion took over and no one was allowed to say they like it anymore. Though it might also of been a combination Satoru Iwata's passing, and do to the fact that the PS4 and Xbox One were almost worth owning by that point. But seriously, if you watched/listened to gaming-centric podcasts of the time like Completely Unnecessary Podcast, Two on the Vine etc. they'd always talk about how much they enjoy the Wii U and 3DS. Even your average let's players/streamer's most popular series/streams were often Wii U or 3DS games like Super Mario Maker, Mario Kart 8 or Smash for. Tomodachi Life so on and so forth. Just type in X-streamer/let's player + Mario Maker or Tomodachi Life and check out the insane view counts, it's nuts! And another thing that bugs me, is that people often say "Nintendo's marketing was SO BAD in the Wii U-era" and then show like two ads centered around and marketed towards kids/families, while conveniently ignoring the fact that they stole every E3 from 2013 to 2016 (Granted, this wasn't the hardest challenge,) and their standard Directs were better and happened much more often then those in the Switch-era. If someone can find a non-E3 Direct in the Switch-era with a more hype announcement than Cloud Strife getting into Smash, I'd be shocked. Also one of a small final point. Nintendo treated indies so much better in the Wii U days.
I agree with this a lot. The marketing complaints bother me quite a bit, because who actually .. cares about their commercials and ads? I never watched them. They don't impact the quality of the games. Or of we're talking about the publicity aimed towards their fans and not the general market, i.e. directs/press conferences, then they feel a lot more sterile, and less frequent these days than in the past anyway. That a lot of people also just forget about the 3DS does bug me a lot too. It's a massive part of their history, it was sucessful during its run, and it had a slew of amazing games. I can understand if people want to call out the Wii U, but so many people treat me and others crazy for calling the pre-switch nintendo era... just good, not even necessarily better. What did the 3DS do to deserve this fate .. haha.. And yeah, games like MK8, SSB4, Splatoon and Mario Maker had mass appeal and large communities online. It didn't even seem like they were locked to an unsuccessful console. Unless I'm just misremembering everything, outside of the rough launch, the system was loved at least for the first half of its lifespan at the time. It definitely carried the opening years of the 8th console gen in geneal. It's a shame that people only have negative things to say about it these days.
Nvm that the switch's joycon's are awful to hold in general. I hated using the joycon's separately because they're too small and don't fit right in your hands at all. Unlike a wii remote or a pro controller. Those were actually designed well. Of course joycon drift is still a thing unfortunately. Also the switch having a dead pixels problem at launch never got fixed and even though Nintendo knew about the problem just like joycon drift they refused to fix it. Don't get me wrong dead pixels have been a problem since the Nintendo ds but the difference is that Nintendo back in 2004 or 2005 would actually fix the issue or just give the customer a new one that didn't have the problem. Like seriously what happened to Nintendo's pro consumer attitude during the wii/ds era and wii u and 3ds era?
@@WumbleWasp Although the smash bros commercials were a bit funny at least to me. Yeah looking back at older directs when iwata was alive it was more fun and alive than now sadly. The 3ds is awesome and has great backwards compatibility. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels this way about the previous Nintendo consoles. Some people just call me "nostalgia blind" for liking the wii u and 3ds, probably the same thing with the wii and ds. I'll never understand why some people defend Nintendo so hard on everything. I just doesn't make sense to me at all like i swear every time people criticize the switch you get attacked by shills and it's annoying. Maybe some people really love the switch so much to the point that they have to bash the previous better consoles to feel good or they get offended that you're criticizing Nintendo at all. I really don't know honestly and ironically enough these people are nostalgia blind themselves and then call others nostalgia blind for liking the previous consoles which makes no sense because these shills love the switch and are blindly defending Nintendo 24/7. It's kinda weird ngl. Anyway sorry for long paragraph. Edit: it's gotten so bad that shills are defending Nintendo for mistreating contractors because they "leaked" games even though it was confirmed that they didn't leak anything.
I’ve realized more and more recently that most of the games that have released for switch have been Wii U ports/ slight revamps. The Switch had its two system sellers during its launch year in Mario Odyssey and Breath of the wild. Since then there haven’t been really any system sellers. Thank god Zelda tears of the kingdom comes out next year.
The Wii U had better games, better controllers, better online, better console features like Miiverse or the internet browser and no drift problem. The Switch only has fully priced ports with a new “Funky mode” added and even amongst the non-ports game a lot of them are really disappointing like 1-2-Switch (the worst Nintendo tech demo), Kirby Star Allies (the laziest Kirby game by a long shot), Pokémon Sword and Shield (reskinned 3DS games) and Super Mario Odyssey (who is okay but extremely disappointing by being way too easy and short and NO collecting boring moons everywhere is not a good endgame!)
Eh...arguably the Switch has better games, it has a better controller with the pro controller, the online thing is true, same with console features and the Wii U not having any drift problem...but the Switch is also a hybrid console so that's a plus. So that's 3 positives and three negatives for the Switch. Not true, it has tons of non ports. And the Wii U didn't have disappointing games? Mario Tennis Ultra Smash which was 50$ and had barely anything...while Aces had more at launch and added more content in updates and had actually good gameplay. Eh...with the mechanics and fan service and lore...it arguably isn't the laziest Kirby game at all, and either way...the Switch also has the most ambitious Kirby game in years with Kirby and the forgotten land. True...Sword and Shield just suck. Odyssey really isn't disappointing and it wasn't too easy...there was certainly challenge to it at times, and it being short was fine as it was designed to be that and to be replayable too, and not all of the moons are boring as a lot of them are fun to collect so the Endgame is good.
@@Jdudec367 The pro controller doesn’t really count as it isn’t the main controller for the console and it doesn’t come with the console either as well as costing 60$. The hybrid console thing is great in concept but in reality the Switch is too big, too expensive, too uncomfortable to hold in handheld mode, too fragile and it also stores save file on the console instead of the cartridges like on 3DS which means that if you loose your Switch somewhere not only do you loose a lot of money but also all of your game progression. Mario Tennis Ultra Smash is bad but there is even more bad games on Switch. Kirby Star Allies is awfully easy (Kirby games aren’t that easy normally), launched unfinished, only has 4 worlds and isn’t innovative in any capacity but I do agree that Forgotten Land looks good (I just haven’t played it yet). Yoshi’s Crafted World is really really bad compared to Woolly World. Super Mario Odyssey isn’t bad but it’s definitely not as good as people make it to be. The moon collecting is mostly annoying and we loose the feeling of accomplishment we had in past games getting a Star for example. The game IS too easy and no other 3D Mario is as easy as Odyssey and the game being short for me is huge negative (when I got the game I finished it in only 2 days).
I feel like Nintendo is going the same direction as Sony with PS3 or Microsoft with Xbox One, and by that, I mean they are becoming just another soulless corporation, but this Time, there is no competition.
I feel like profile icons were the only big improvement we got for the Switch. But even then you only had a select few characters and series to choose from. If you payed for the online service then you get access to a limited selection of icon elements that changes every month/week or so which increases by a slight margin if you get the expansion pack which at the moment adds icons for the N64 games included in the expansion pack that change randomly depending on what the missions are. Everything else about the Switch however, feels like a bunch of massive downgrades. It really does feel like they tried to make things easier for themselves by making a two-in-one system, but because of that they made the console feel lifeless and empty. And with Iwata gone and Reggie retrired the company itself feels like the charm they made vanished and instead fully embraced becoming a soulless corporation. Just look at all of the takedowns and DMCA's over the past few years.
I like your honest opinion and the data and analysis of the timeline and volume of Nintendo made games during the Wii U and 3DS era. Given the modding scene plus the smaller form factor the 3DS shines even more. I think a lot of the heartburn of the Wii U comes from folks misunderstanding that although it looked like the Wii and was Wii compatible...it was a superior console and had more to offer. Nintendo just did a bad job differentiating the Wii U from the Wii and maybe in retrospect they should have given the Wii U a different name instead of having the prior console name in the title.
I can’t speak for the Wii U since I never owned one. But at least for me the switch is in no way a direct replacement for the 3ds. A bunch of features like streetpass, play coins, backwards compatibility, virtual console, portability, etc. are all part of why I enjoyed the 3ds era so much. And even though the switch can technically be portable, even the lite is no where near as pocketable as even a 3ds xl. Mind you, the switch is a great console with great games, but it’s different enough from the 3ds that the 3ds can still hold its own. Even though I have the switch, I still sometimes use the 3ds with no plans to get rid of it.
As someone who's favorite Nintendo consoles are the Wii U and 3DS I 80% agree. Sure the Switch does have a very solid library of original games but it just doesn't live up to the very high expectations of the original and innovative libraries of the Wii U & 3DS. I'd say 2017 was fantastic but 2018 was almost nothing, 2019 was ok, 2020 was once again almost nothing, 2021 was ok, but 2022 was definitely a step up but even then most of the great games were released by external studios like Kirby, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Pokémon, and now Professor Layton while Nintendo themselves have mainly banked off of evergreen titles a lot of which were Wii U ports or even Wii & 3DS ports. I mean the only recent great games by Nintendo in 2022 were Splatoon 3 and Switch Sports but even the latter felt slightly unpolished. However 2023 is looking better I guess because we finally have TOTK and Pikmin 4 but after Pikmin 4's release on July 21 we basically have almost nothing. I'm not saying this is a bad era for Nintendo I'm saying it's good but Wii U & 3DS knocked it out of the park imo.
Yeah that's very true. I've been thinking recently about how while their subsidiaries/partners have been doing okay, something seems to be going wrong with Nintendo EPD themselves. This is seriously the first year since 2017 that they'll be releasing multiple major games in one year (unless you really want to count Nintendo Switch Sports). And even then Pikmin 4 and Totk have been delayed for years on end. I'm willing to bet they've both been in development hell tbh.
I still find it weird to hear the Switch has good games but Wii U had bad games when so many Switch games are just Wii U ports. Honestly personally speaking, I liked more Wii U games than Switch games. Sure I haven’t played everything, but out of what I did play the Wii U’s titles were more consistently fun than the Switch’s.
Coming from a FORMER Nintendo fan, the Switch is a great system and I'm not going to deny that, BUT it really baffles me (even years later) why the Wii U and N3DS family seriously does some things SO MUCH BETTER than the freaking Switch. - Nintendo's legacy content just sucks in comparison to Virtual Console - Switch's Online service... just in general is still a dumpster fire years later - Switch's eShop is not only garbage for putting quantity over quality with many releases, but for God's sake it doesn't even have something as simple as a rating system UNLIKE the eShop on BOTH Wii U and N3DS - The analog sticks on controllers DIDN'T DRIFT 😠 Seriously, I can go on, but there's a reason why I call myself or consider myself a "former Nintendo fan". Like you said in this video, 'Nintendo Selects' seem to be just like Virtual Console. Something that was awesome... back in the day and something that Nintendo just doesn't want to bring back. 20:08 I'm glad you brought that up, too. Fanboys for any platform or company are garbage, but I've seen and even talked with, by far the dumbest, most retarded, most braindead fanboys within the Nintendo community. Of course, I'm talking about the pricks that act like every single thing that Nintendo does is perfectly 100% okay and justified, JUST BECAUSE Nintendo officially did whatever it is that they did and its seriously pathetic.
- The legacy content on Switch is fine but still not really as good as Virtual Console - I think Nintendo Switch online is ok. It’s not as horrible as most people make it out to be. - The eshop is pretty decent. There’s a lot of garbage in there but it’s pretty hard to find without going out of your way - Both The 3DS’ And Wii U’s analogs could drift sometimes.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 - The Wii U and 3DS joysticks almost never drifted and the Joy-Con joysticks drifts all the time - Legacy content on Switch is hot garbage due to a lack of Virtual Console and because you need to pay extra money to have access to N64 games that won’t even run well. -Switch online is bad because it makes people pay for something identical if not worse than on Wii U when it was free on that console.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 I agree and respect your opinion as a true Nintendo fan! In my opinion, I like the Nintendo online membership just the way it is. Also I have a job myself and I only have to pay every December and that's about it. The problem is when people say the Wii U is better than the switch they have their nostalgia goggles on and they need to take them off and realize that the Wii U was a fun console. Do not get me wrong but they will have to admit that it's marketing was a massive failure. But I myself still strongly agree with you on those points
@@M64bros yeah but what sucks about the online membership is you don’t own the games your just renting them and I think 50 dollars for n64 games that are laggy and you don’t get to keep is just bad in my opinion and also once they move on from switch which will be little while from now they’ll take those games off the switch Wii U marketing was horrible and the name was dumb but the Wii I has. Ore features them switch has better online has better home menu has real folders eshop is way better more organized and fun to go through has internet browser has more streaming apps last time I checked and when you buy a retro game you get to own its but that’s just my opinion switch isn’t a bad system it’s good for what it is
@@joshxstormlaw501 I understand. I love all the Nintendo consoles and I think the switch is still great along with the Wii U. I love the 3DS, the Wii, U and the switch all together
Why the Switch has been a Disappointing Console as a Wii U/3DS Owner? As I'm myself a owner of a Wii U and 3DS, I can approve that the Switch isn't so much great unlike the Wii U: Too much grab money game who are release every years since 6 years since they are very popular in Japan with too much Pokemon games, 5 Fire Emblem and 6 Kirby games, too much old Mario games from previous consoles port to the Switch instead be something new and good like Super Mario Odyssey, Luigi's Mansion 3 and Super Mario Bros Wonder so games like Super Mario 3D All-Star for Super Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy sold for 60 dollars despite they wasn't remastered on Switch with new models and better texure in game (something similar to Super Render96 for Super Mario 64) and are between 1996 and 2007, Super Mario 3D World, Luigi's Mansion 2 HD, New Super Mario Bros U, Captain Toad and others are useless because what the point to buy twice the same game at the same price if you have already it on the previous console? Illogical! And since 6 years, from the side of the game who isn't too much know or popular in Japan, the Switch isn't able to release a new game or remaster about Star Fox and Kid Icarus, even if we have just 2 Metroid games we still don't have any news about Metroid Prime 4 anymore despite it's been 6 years they announced it so we don't know what they have really planned for this game like a side online gamemode for Vs or Co-op, Donkey Kong isn't able to have his own game exclusively on Switch who isn't a Tropical Freeze Wii U port or a GBA remake about Mario Vs Donkey Kong just like Mario Kart with the true fan who are very disappointed that Nintendo gonna just made a almost 10 years old ago Wii U Mario Kart game port on the Switch as the only new Mario Kart instead create a new one with a new mechanic like they did in previous Mario Kart: Wii for the bikes added, 3DS for glides in the airs, Wii U for defy the gravity and the Switch... Nothing except add more stuff in it but not really interesting for buy the game twice and for F-Zero we only get a F-Zero SNES Rom Hack on Switch with 99 players instead have something in 3D like a new game or remastered. For concluate I don't think I gonna buy their next console after the Switch if the rumour about a Switch 2 or new console in 2024 are true and I'm so far to be the lonely one to not buy the next console after see most of people are disapoint about the Switch because, after all, what the point to create a more powerfull console than the previous one if Nintendo are too much lazy for work on their game if they gonna do same like the Switch if it's for always release the same garbage grab monney bullsh*t game like Pokemon, Fire Emblem and Kirby and a lot of useless port from previous consoles to their new console instead we see something new? It's pretty illogical to buy their next console if it's for get the same thing again for complain again about it again when we know the Switch do his job perfectly for do that.
I think if they did a switch two they would need to make it a little more like the Wii U imo. Basically have an actual home console and then the gamepad except now you could take the gamepad anywhere with you like the switch. Or if they don’t want to go back to all that, at least add in some more features that the 3ds and gamepad had such as a microphone, stylus, and maybe even a camera. I think a stylus more than anything would benefit a next generation switch so much especially for a Mario Maker 3 because the franchise was literally made for Wii U and when the second came out on switch it just didn’t feel right
3ds and Wii U in my opinion were better for there Eshop it had charm personality and wasn’t disorganized and slow it was lot easier to find what type of game I was looking for on Wii U switches eshop is so slow and disorganized and boring oh and when we got new games for it it wasn’t a port of a old game from ps3 like switch 80 percent of switch games are ports I mean fine you want to port some games but most of its library is old games it would have been nice to see sequels to Wii games like red steel or conduit or just new original games exclusively to switch the switch could so much better
yeah you're right. I think the only one of the bunch that was positively received was xenoblade 3. Maybe Sparks of hope but I've never heard anyone talk about. Bayonetta and Splatoon were such disappointments imo
@@WumbleWaspI’m fascinated by how Bayo 3 has been received, I know some of the criticisms, but for how long it’s development was, I don’t get how it ended up so lukewarm, as for Splatoon 3, gave it 30 hrs & haven’t felt the need to return , as the maps are so bland
With bayo, I think it's mostly the story being a mess, and the gameplay being brought down by the main mechanic of the game, the pacing and gimmicks. And yeah I haven't heard many people complain about the maps in splatoon, but I completely agree. All the new ones are very homogenous, like they were made for competitive play or something? And some of the older ones were kinda butchered like the resort one and flounders heights. I haven't played all the newer ones yet, so maybe they're better.
Wii U sure is better build than Switch! Iwata managed a great era, hey do you know that there's a new Wii U game by a solo dev called Pad of Time? its a 2.5 platformer with a cool time traveling mechanic, take a look it was released this month of April!
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 I totally disagree with you: - Interface: Wii U is more polished (visuals and sound) - Ergonomic: Gamepads holds, more comfortable than Switch in portable mode - Product Quality: Switch screen tend to be scrached with the dock ...
@@marcomemes i agree with you too, the wii u just had a different feeling with it's community and ui, it looked so good and people would chat and just say "look at the level i've done at mario maker!" etc. Now switch is very simple and it feels soulles compared to wii u.
@@robn2066 it’s. NiIce to know there’s someone on TH-cam who also loves the Wii U ui menu I think it’s one of the best game console menus ever it’s million times better then the switch menu
I guess it's a good thing that this video was uploaded before the Nintendo union thing last year because that was sad to see. It's a bit surprising how well this video held up. I mean sure there's super Mario wonder now. But like this video said. It doesn't really make up for 5 or 4 years of barely anything(before the pandemic btw). Also it's really sad to see how toxic the fandom has become and of course the union thing again & treating their customers like nothing during like 2020 to 2022.(never forget the eshop loss of two great systems) ☹. I mean sure this company hasn't totally perfect over the years. But during the wii/ds & wii u & 3ds days. It was a great time. People being hyped for smash bros in 2014, mario kart 8, splatoon the first new game franchise from Nintendo in years and the pro consumer stuff like virtual console, great 3ds third party support, games like monster hunter, lego games, minecraft, horror games, indie games etc were also on wii u. It was great & the best UI being the 3ds, the wii u has a great UI as well. Music everywhere in the menu, when you launched the game, music would play. Wii u famicom trial campaign the games were 30 cents each, club Nintendo. That's all i can think of for now. After seeing Nintendo become more corporate over the years and then the union stuff really just doesn't make me feel good about modern gaming anymore like it's not fun just profits nothing else. It's sad really. I mean since the union stuff it's not like people actually cared everyone still bought Nintendo games despite the whole thing. I mean i get it. It was during the shutdown of the wii u and 3ds eshop everyone panic bought and there was some good games that year as well. But how can people take others who criticize Nintendo or gaming companies in general if you buy the products anyway?(Edit: But i realized that yea i guess i shouldn't be that judgmental i mean we all make dumb mistakes or regret stuff we did in the past. I'm kinda guilty as well. Buying stupidly during the eshop closure and completely regretting it afterwards because of freaking fear of missing out crap.) But i mean it's fine if it's used or indie honestly. Indie developers are the best, triple a companies just aren't anymore unfortunately. It's sad really. 🙁 sorry for long rant/paragraph.
This video talks to the heart of those few hardcore gamers left. The ones who actually owned the Wii U and sticked with it when everyone in the western media enjoyed bashing it because it didnt sell. The ones who played with it not because of the hype but because they enjoyed the charm and magic of its games, something missing in that generation of consoles. It was the best Nintendo since the N64 era, putting everything they had for delivering their best games. The ones who kept insulting the Wii U through the last 10 years will not even bother watching videos like this, because they get in the way of their fanboysm. Talking bad about the Switch, in this day and age, is considered a sin, because the console is selling even better than the Wii. Therefore must be the best console in Nintendo history.
"The Wii U had nothing to offer." Do Wii U haters realize that the some of the most popular Switch games are technically games from the Wii U? Hell, the most popular Switch game of all time, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, is a Wii U port, lol.
They know. They just defend that by saying oh it's a "new game" for people who haven't played it or it's worth it because it's on a more successful console.
Interesting video, WumbleWasp. You touched on the Mario series. Would you say, as of 2023, the series has improved on Switch? Many proclaim it as the "best" time to be a Mario fan given the release of the movie, Super Mario Bros. Wonder, and the upcoming TTYD remake. Me? I do like what Mario is doing nowadays and admit that his future is looking bright, but...I still kinda like the 3DS/Wii U years more. It felt like there was a higher output of games with fewer dry spells. Of course, the common complaint is that the games (particularly the RPGs) were too sterile... I also miss the whimsical UI of the Wii U and 3DS. While the Wii U has longer load times, the atmosphere is relaxing, and I _love_ the bold colors. Nintendo 3DS gets points for having full-on themes and powerful games for a dedicated handheld. As time goes on, more people will overlook the 3DS / Wii U era. I imagine that within the next five years, there may be a renewed appreciation, but for now, the Switch continues to dominate. I do like the Switch, but 3DS and Wii U hold a special place in my heart...
Prior to 2023, it was in a really rough spot. Start of last year a lot of people were getting pretty concerned about the lack of any upcoming games. I do think that portion of the video is pretty outdated though now, post the mario movie. A lot great games kinda just came out of nowhere, the RPG side of the series is getting more attention, more experimental and new titles etc. Even the Mario Kart DLC improved a lot in quality. I still have qualms about some things, notably the lack of a new full 3D game since Odyssey, but it's massively improved.
Fair enough. Mario did get a deluge of great games revealed seemingly out of nowhere. While I have yet to play Wonder, it looks like it will be within my top five mainline Marios. Likewise, TTYD looks hype and I love The Super Mario Bros. Movie. It is funny to see what a big 180 has been done for the Mario series, but...I still don't magically hate the 3DS/Wii U years.
I feel the same way, they could’ve fixed this issue about the analog stick by using the analog stick from the 3Ds and they weren’t bad. Also I agree with this video because when I was with Wii U owners, it felt like a connection that we all had. Back then I had a friend that had a Wii U and it was awesome to know someone that had the same console as me. Yeah the Nintendo switch has recently not gotten my attention and their hella expensive for switch games $60 is a lot for games and even then when the Wii U was out as well for the 3Ds games were like $20 and I have NOT seen a Nintendo selects for the switch overall the switch lacks a lot of similarity for those that have played previous consoles which loses the magic
I’ve never understood those people who try and look at the games that have since been ported to switch with such venom, like saying to people that they shouldn’t be playing on Wii U but rather on the switch. People are asking in the retro scene these days about the great titles on the Wii U namely because they want new things to play on their Wii U systems. If you throw your Wii U in the trash because you can finally play those ports on switch, well…then it almost sounds like that persona didn’t like the Wii U so much as they put up with it until something better comes along. Or they will say because it’s the newer console and so they should buy that instead, to which I say the Wii U was once new once upon a time, and those people were saying the Wii U was great. Something new will always come along and the companies will always try and sell you on those systems, and remove features from devices to make you switch, so just play whatever the hell you want to play and leave people alone. :0
I shared your opinions on the Switch... until I really played one and eventually bought one. I was and I still am a big fan of the 3DS. I think the Wii U is very cool, but never got the opportunity to own one when it was out. I really do wish I could have experienced the Wii U in its hay-day because it was such a wonderfully unique and social experience in a way that I will never get to experience. The 3DS, on the otherhand, is my favorite handheld console of all time and I have played it for thousands of hours over the years. The library of that system is possibly the best Nintendo has ever offered considering quantity and quality; this coming even from a raving Gamecube fan. Early this year I bought a Switch Lite. I actually used to dunk on modern Nintendo. They couldn't do anything right in my eyes. I had not ever owned a Switch, but I had played it a decent amount over the past couple years with friends and family. After having those experiences playing games like Kirby and the Forgotten Lands, Mario Kart 8, and other games, my opinions began to change. After building up my legacy Nintendo collection and feeling mostly satisfied with what I had acquired, I decided to take the plunge on the Switch Lite. Personally, I love it. I adore handheld gaming above all else, so having a Switch Lite to pair with my 3DS is wonderful. I don't think I would ever choose the Switch as an only console (that prize would probably go to the 3DS or GameCube [or even Wii, since it can play GameCube games]), but paired with a diverse collection of consoles and games, the Switch is a prized entry in my collection. It has a lot of great games and being able to play them portably, quickly, and conveniently, just like my 3DS, is wonderful. As for the durability of the Switch, I can understand that with the hybrid systems, but the Switch Lite feels pretty stable. Sure, I wouldn't sit on it, but I'd rather not sit on my 3DS either. And don't get me started on the failure of the R button on the DS and 3DS models. I've owned 4 DS systems (DS Lite, DSi, 3DS, 3DS) over the years and only one did not have an R button that failed. Instead the right-side of the d-pad became less responsive over time on my DS Lite. Thankfully for my current 3DS, I was able to replace the R button. And if the sticks on my Switch Lite every drift, I'll replace those just like I did with my R button on my 3DS. So all that to say: I love the 3DS/Wii U era. I disagree with many of your points, but I agree that the 3DS and Wii U era was better than the Switch. The 3DS alone is better than the Switch. But I love my Switch. And the Switch and 3DS paired together make a Nintendo handheld dream team.
I watched your video a while ago and there were a couple things I did want to say. And this will be what I may be repeating in what I shared in another video from another channel. First, I don't think you are the only one in sharing your disappointment with Switch as much as it may be hard to share about it and that's pretty well supported by the facts you shared. I think what's probably happening more often are several are probably starting to realize and see more on what looks to be what I say to be the vulnerable identity of Switch in what it perhaps was fated to be in the first place. And that would be that it wasn't intended to be the successor to Wii U or even 3DS. It instead looked to be what is thought of as a back up plan to get out of the financial woes of Wii U and at best, a prototype of what a successor to Wii U and 3DS would like. And also that it looked like it was intended to be an extension to Wii U's generation rather than a proper successor. This is evident in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Switch's top selling game, and how several of the rereleases or asset flips including Mario Kart 8 Deluxe were promoted for Switch in the same way generation defining games would and would indicate that they were intending on those sort of rereleases or asset flips to be positioned as though they are those generation defining games for Switch. And this is even evident with Nintendo's lack of first party involvement for Switch generally year after year after 2017 with the exception of 2022 in some cases. And it shows that they are probably saving more of their effort for next generation and what I would say is what likely is the true successor to Wii U and 3DS. And this is also perhaps evident in there being a game on Switch that may not surpass Xenoblade Chronicles X on Wii U in its technical feats all across the board. I don't know what the future holds. But I would say that their next generation will be their most important.
Will paste a rant I made a few moments ago about the Switch and current state of Nintendo. Splatoon and Splatoon 2 are very similar and the 2 could've been done on the WII U. Smash 4 and 5 looks the same mostly. BOTW is a port of a WII U game. Smash Ultimate is locked for me behind the paywall that yall accepted. Making 4 the best smash ever to me, consumer friendly and very fun actually. Smash 5 is filled of DLC characters and stuff like that. You dont mention this enough. I grew up with finished games, not with patches put behind a paywall. The WII U online was better than the Switch's online. Yall accepted that and now you'll have to deal with this crap forever until you make it stop. The switch is exponentially more fragile than the WII U. Gets scratched if you dock it without a protection for the screen. The joycons drift, infamous but disregarded by the "fans". There is sheer incompetence and bad design. I couldn't play with my Switch until I putted a screen protector via a profesionnal. How is this acceptable on the V2 model supposed to be a definitve take on the Switch's hardware ? Yall, neglecting these facts, are the main problem and Nintendo is happy you do. The joycon drift is a major issue. The unprotected, very fragile screen is an issue. The price of their game never going down is an issue. The disregard toward the WII U owner, reselling WII U games at an even higher price tag than back in the days. The online paywall. The DLC infestation. The miserable ports of 3rd parties making it irrelevant. The low-end hardware that's struggling a lot, and Nintendo unwilling to take risks, unwilling to make a new console or to prepare for the next generation... No more handheld with cheaper games. The Switch light, being rendered useless if it gets the drift, and they all will get it at some point ... How can you protect Nintendo for that ? They even make unfinished games ! Scarlet and Violet are a shame for the market ! Unfinished and buggy as hell. You'll just accept that ? Pokemon, the biggest franchise, crunching their devTeam to the point they cannot fix a game before selling it ? With the game, looking like a NGC/WII game sometimes ? Really ? I'm done with you people...
I liked this video, and honestly, i share the same opnion, the 3ds era was way better than the switch, and i think the 3ds was even a better console, and the wii u have more games, and more original games, the switch is really lacking originality. although you said you don't plan to make a third video about this topic, i hope and wish you do, like, when the next nintendo console release, to make a restropective of the switch era, and have a more complete video with all of the switch era vs the wii u/3ds era, and this probably will not take too long, because the next nintendo console is probably going to be release in late 2023 or early 2024.
The main issue with the switch is that if you have a wii u and a wii half the games are really pointless because most of the good games I care about I already own and 60 dollars is not worth the tiny additions they add to the wii u ports. The only exception would be mario kart 8 deluxe and that is only because of the new dlc that they added way after 8 delexue came out.
I think mr iwata did a better job seemed like there really wasn’t any issues with any product they made and I liked how he would be in the directs and was fun entertaining to watch I wished he was still here but unfortunately it was his time
@@makaronishenouda6413 last year ago people were weaponizing Iwata's death and it really got on a ton of casual nintendo fans nerves, however after the Mario movie credits and other smart Nintendo fans telling people the truth it seems that they are no longer doing it anymore thankfully.
I think the switch just never excited me aside from its reveal, Smash bros, and Mario Party Superstars. Mario Maker 2 was honestly a big disappointment not because the game itself isn't bad cause its technically better but not having gamepad controls was a such a downgrade. Was never a big fan of joycons, they're small and break easily while the switch os albeit a lot faster has lost all of its charm that prior system os' had. Doesn't help that to be able to have online access you have pay for it even though Switch online is still garbage.
I totally agree with this opinion because the way you had an addition to having in my opinion more AAA games it also had several eShop games in fact I would say double the virtual console content to that of the switches online subscribe service has to offer and not to mention it also has backwards compatibility and like another certain Nintendo console I know.
Yeah, I played my Wii U more than my Switch for the first 2 years it was out and then my 3DS for the the 2019-2020 time period. It wasn't really until Bowser's Fury in the 3D World Remaster that I started playing my Switch more for anything other than indies. I won't lie, it's been a kinda insane indie box. But now even indies demand more than the Switch can handle, so I got my first Xbox with the Series X for those and to play some of the 360 and One era exclusives that aren't on PC. I CONSIDERED A PS5, but I hated my PS4 and found it to have no games that interested me for so many years that it just became a Blu ray box for me to the point where, even when it did finally get some games, I just wasn't interested in holding that controller. On a related note. Am I the only one who liked the Wii U having high sticks on both sides? I always feel lopsided holding the Xbox/GameCube controller layout and I hate how close the sticks are on PS. No other console ever did double high sticks other than the Wii U and Switch completely abandoned that to copy the Xbox standard. I think they do it better than Xbox with the Switch. I feel like the current Xbox controllers are too slanted and my hands always slide up them (the grip on the elites alleviates this, but who wants to be requires to get a $150+ controller for a comfortable gaming session). But the D-pads on Switch controllers SUCK! It feels like Nintendo has cheaper out more than ever on their hardware, and the quality is so much worse than ever before, but they charge more than ever by a long shot. How do we still not have Nintendo Selects? How was a Wii U pro controller, with 50 hours of per charge battery life, $20 less than a Wii U pro controller and all around better aside from lacking the NFC and USB-C for charging? I hate cheapskate Nintendo and they really have been super anti-consumer this generation in this regard. At least they're finally not region locking their games anymore and they've cut back on the censorship, but they also have been doing a much worse job localizing their games. I mean, none have been as bad as triforce heroes on 3DS, they did start going downhill in that regard back around 2015, pre-Switch, but it's just mediocre these days and it feels like it's getting worse again
Honestly, I feel like the Switch era isn't going to be as impressive looking back at it from the distant future; at best, it might be a mix bag. On the one hand, sure, the Switch is a very well communicated and successful console that's done wonders financially for Nintendo, especially compared to the Wii U/3DS era. Not to mention, it does have a solid lineup of raw exclusives, such as Mario Wonder and Smash Ultimate. But when you step out of the vacuum, there is a lot to criticize. The Switch library isn't really the most innovative one out there; it says a lot that a decent chunk of the Switch library are either remakes or ports of games from other consoles (most famously, Wii U ports). If you take those types of games out, the library, while solid, likely wouldn't be as revered as it is already. Not to mention, this is the era where Nintendo really started to piss off their core fanbase a lot. Not that they weren't a scummy business before the Switch era, but paying for a shitty online service (when it was free in previous consoles) and not giving proper access to retro games (like they did with the Virtual Console) really dragged their overall reputation down a lot. So, financially speaking, its one of the best periods. But critically speaking, it's okay, at best (with the aspect that has the best critical response being the raw exclusives).
@@DjCrispyFingers It's just true. Nintendo absolutely came to the wrong (and conveniently lazier) conclusions after the Wii U failed. The Wii U had gorgeous menus and musical themes full of character. But because the console failed (due to Nintendo being idiots) they thought "alright, let's stick to a minimalistic design then, people didn't like the old menus or something" and so here we are. It was just too convenient and tempting for them to go the lazy route in regards to the UI design.
@@BenniRoR The Wii U didn’t fail because Nintendo were idiots. I mean, that was one of the reasons but the main reason was mostly because it’s execution was extremely flawed despite having a good idea.
I deleted this before. But this video holds up well considering that Nintendo is charging 70 dollars for games now and that they added game boy games to the switch that you can't keep so it's not looking good. This is still good months later.
As a Wii U owner of my own I actually agree with you, the Wii U itself did have good memories but it's not better than the switch. I'm not nostalgia blind
Regardless, I still play on the Wii U sometimes but I play on the Switch a lot more. On the bright side though, I'm just glad Nintendo's finally improving this year and releasing a bunch of swag that I'm really looking forward to
I think one phrase is a sentiment to me that really gets to me. Sure we have Mario Odyssey and Browser's Fury (trol) but there will never be another Super Mario Galaxy. I liked 3D Land but I didn't buy a Wii U and I feel like a lot of Nintendo's new Mario Games are getting this really weird artstyle and honestly, it's hard to tell what it even means for a Mario Game to even be a Mario Game anymore, especially when you consider that the last few games have been mostly spinoffs and not main original titles like Super Mario Odyssey. I've never played Bowser's Fury because I never bought a switch. I bought a Steam Deck instead, and I don't regret it, because I don't have to pay a subscription to play games online or for poor network quality and limited poor emulation (trol again). But just looking at Bowser's Fury, the artstyle just seems wrong to me. If I played Odyssey maybe I would have liked it but again I'm not paying so much for a console that doesn't have main menu music, doesn't have miiverse, doesn't even have an internet browser, doesn't have streetpass, doesn't have a mii maker, has very little fanfare (you've probably seen the wii sports vs nintendo switch sports videos) and, lastly, a console that charges you to play games online with very poor quality that you can play on a pc or on a steam deck with good quality and no subscription you've been trolled 🚎 Also not paying for joycon drift nintendies fan trolled once more
I feel like Miyamoto is the reason why the switch hasn’t gotten a new 3D mario game because since like 2018 he hasn’t been involved with Nintendo instead he’s been too focused on making a Mario movie and theme parks. But once the movie releases he better get back to working with Nintendo.
Miyamoto hasn't been that involved with nintendo as a creative for well over a decade now. He's really only had producer rolls, the only exception being Star Fox Zero where he was more hands on. I can't even tell if he had any involvement with odyssey at all.
@@WumbleWasp well based on what I saw on the internet it seems that Miyamoto wasn’t that much involved with Odyssey. That’s why the game didn’t quite meet up some people’s expectations. If he was more involved with Odyssey it would’ve been a lot better. Do you like that Miyamoto wasn’t involved with Nintendo for a decade? Just curious. Some people think that Iwata dying has caused Nintendo to be anti-consumer and maybe if he didn’t die he would’ve cared so much about their fans even during the switch era.
Rewatched the output of games timeline section where it shows the timeline and it's a good list, but why not mention the wii u and 3ds eshop games? Like indie games and Nintendo's smaller games on it? I understand that you can't mention every single game cas that'll be too long but i mean those games do increase the quantity of games. But i guess now that i think about it. If you did that you would've had to list every single switch eshop as well or at least some of them... but anyway i just thought of that and wanted to Mention it. Sorry for commenting so much.
Yeah I just went with retail games. Tbf, it can be harder to draw the line at digital anyway considering some games that have been published by Nintendo aren't really Nintendo games like with the Stretchers. And also personal bias because I'm not huge on those types of games anyway lol
It's kinda a loaded question because even if this year was the best year of all time from Nintendo, it wouldn't change the first 4 and change that these videos are covering. That 4ish year period being identical to the length of the Wii U's lifespan. That said, ironically Totk still suffers from this same point that I bring up about lack of innovation/evolution in game franchises compared to their repsective Wii U/3DS versions, and 'half-sequels' hahaha... even if the game is good. 2023 has been overall good though, looking forward to Pikmin 4.
@WumbleWasp we have droughts literally all the time, they are not special to Switch, if anything, droughts were far worse in the past, specifically the N64 and Gamecube era were awful when it comes to droughts. At least with Switch, 2020 was due to a pandemic and 2018 was due to following up arguably their greatest year of all time in 2017. They weren't going to have a super packed year and follow it up with another packed year. I'd say all considering, the game output is insanely good, especially if you play stuff other than Nintendo, it's always been that way.
@@rogertaylor5538 I don't really know what you want me to say tbh. Besides the point that these videos are only about Nintendo, not third parties. Agree to disagree? I don't really think the droughts were worse when covid didn't exist and Nintendo had multiple platforms to release games on, plus the whole cost of game development rising industry wide in recent years.
I'm satisfied with the Switch original games. It's got a great lineup. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Splatoon 2 and 3, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and 3, Metroid Dread, Kirby and the Forgotten Land, Mario Party Superstars, Super Mario Maker 2, Fire Emblem Three Houses, Pokémon Legends Arceus, Luigi's Mansion 3, among others. I loved my Wii U as well. So many hours playing Super Mario Maker and Splatoon. I also loved DKC Tropical Freeze. Plus, I miss Miiverse. The few games it had were amazing. But it's hard for it to measure up to the Switch.
@@M64bros Third-party games don't matter in the context of Nintendo consoles because they're almost always going to be watered down versions of games available on other platforms. People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games.
@@makaronishenouda6413 Yeah but some people like other games besides Mario and Zelda, I don't care if the graphics look good or bad I just care about the gameplay. Not just me but other people mentioned it as well
@@KoalaSpace360 This video's only a few months old, so not much has changed. Funnily enough of the few games that released, it was Splatoon and Xenoblade anyway which just further proves that table. I'd probably bump up FE with that warriors game and Engage though. I haven't gotten around to playing Bayo 3 yet though, so that may be good.
@@KoalaSpace360 star allies was pretty bad, and gen 8 is probably the worst modern pokemon gen. The reason I'm mixed is because of the games that came out this year.. Though I still don't care for legends arceus.
Nintendo really hasn't made a great console since the SNES/Super Famicom. The N64 was pretty good, but severely limited by that cartridge. The Gamecube was probably the last good console that company ever made. Switch is garbage.
Half agree. Their handhelds have always been top notch. I do think they fell off during the Wii, and honestly haven't fully recovered back to gamecube quality to this day. But the Switch is closer than ever, so I have some hope for the next console. That said, I don't think the SNES has a great 1st party library. It's heavily carried by 3rd parties imo
It's sad that probably the main reason the eshop is closing down is because of switch online. Like Nintendo made a FAQ saying that they plan to not offer any classic content in any other way than switch online. Luckily people screen shot it and kotaku has it saved. Rip Nintendo's pro consumer attitude to it's fans. Now it's just pure greed and malice towards the consumers unfortunately. Sorry for commenting so much again or being harsh... =(
@@M64bros dude they were very pro consumer during that era in terms of not being hostile to the consumer. I mean technically they were more pro consumer during the wii/ds era than the wii u and 3ds era. But we had virtual console and buy one get one for free stuff. Good games like smash bros, kirby, pikmin, zelda(mostly 3ds) and Nintendo selects where the games were discounted and now 20 bucks. Club Nintendo were you could use points and get free games and merchandise which points were used to get and free shipping. My Nintendo has zero free shipping. All those great things. But of course they made some dumb decisions as well like discontinuing the wii and ds and removing their online play, the dumb creators program and obviously the dmca bs and takedowns of fan games. And i guess you didn't take my advice about what i said last time. I almost forgot about the smash bros controversy which was bad in 2013 which thankfully they backed down. But still bad and in 2020 they did it again but somehow worse. And switch online is the most anti consumer they've been in years btw. Paying 50 bucks or 20 bucks per year or month for renting games is unacceptable.
@@crystalbry4741 Do you realize PlayStation and Xbox Also do paid online as well, Also It seems that you didn't even take my advice truthfully as well and yes Nintendo was still the same during the 3DS and the Wii U era. Also the Super Smash Bros community got what it deserved anyway after what they've done behind the scenes. The Wii and NDS era are better because luckily they sold well to the public and the same is going with the switch because Doug and the new CEO know how to handle marketing on the switch, the IPs iwata and Reggie would do the exact same thing from earlier, Not trying to say they were terrible presidents and I still have heart for them but I wish they did better. But blaming iwata's death and pretending everything was beautiful and pretty back then isn't going to make the situation better. If you want a real honest TH-camr that can tell you the truth and everything without jumping, straight to conclusions and believing misinformation getting spread across the internet and everything you want to know, I'm your guy. *TH-cam needs an honest TH-camr that can tell people the truth, I'm the only one who can do it, No one else can do it.*
@@crystalbry4741 lastly, the people that worked alongside with iwata and Reggie still work for Nintendo. Shigeru Miyamoto, Sakurai, Eiji Aonuma and Takashi Tezuka. Nintendo still has that creative soul in them, Even iwata told Sakurai to make Super Smash Bros Ultimate before he died, Which means there is evidence that he was part of the switch online paid membership, along with Reggie. Thanks to Nintendo switch online developers are able to use that money to develop high budget games including Super Mario Bros. Wonder and breath of the wild that cost over $120,000,000. Lastly, Nintendo did refuse to not do smartphones but they did it anyway while Reggie was still around as well. Every era has its flaws but one's not better than the other and from my point of view it's all the same
@@M64bros yes i know that all consoles do paid online crap and i hate all of them. Especially xbox because they started it. Like i said before not everyone in the smash bros community is bad. Most players just wanna enjoy melee without being attacked by Nintendo. Like i said compared to the wii/ds era and wii u and 3ds era, the switch era is nowhere near as pro consumer as the wii/ds and wii u and 3ds. I already said why and you just ignored it. No free shipping, barely anything free. Barely any discounts which is baffling considering inflation you'd think that they'd be more pro consumer but nope they charge for online, no price drop on main console, vouchers you have to pay 100 dollars for etc. I didn't even mention iwata or his death once why do you always say that? Honest TH-camr? It doesn't seem like it. It almost sounds like you're still defending Nintendo's current actions over and over again. When they're worse than before and treat their fans and contractors like trash. But it's not surprising considering that doug bowser is from EA the worst gaming company ever so of course it was bound to happen.
I want to see where your coming from i just cant. You say mario maker 2 and super smash bros ultimate are just the wii u games but more and completely ingore the new mecahnics in each game. Also they are more great switch games then your giving credit i would have prefered if you had just said i was interested in these but these games are also great i just dont care for them. I am just conflicted on your opinion i dont agree but i also dont dissagree im in the middle
Yeah, it's not really about me thinking they're bad games or anything, but moreso just thinking they're underwhelming sequels imo. It's great for people who didn't own a wii u though.
Here’s what I’m going to say. This video is completely correct. And I agree with it entirely. The 3ds and Wii U are the best systems Nintendo ever made. Most games are lazy sequels or remasters. The collections are just bad. Games are just not great on the switch. The best switch game in my opinion is Kirby and the forgotten land. I trust Hal more then Nintendo themselves. Hal made so much good Kirby games this year it’s insane. Mario odyssey is overrated. It’s to repetitive for me even tho the movement is good. But here’s what really made me hate this era. Nintendos anti consumerism has skyrocketed to a level I never thought would happen. Not only does Nintendo hate fangames but they literally made Mario 35 based off one. They destroy fan games. Aswell as emulation. This has always been the case but still. Also I won’t forget #FREEMELEE. People brush it off as it’s in the past but for me it’s the point where Nintendo took a turn for the worst. The switch just also doesn’t feel very Nintendo. None of the catchy music or menus that was all loved scrolling through. There’s no themes, extra software besides games, miiverse replacement, streetpass, AR cards, badge arcade and more. The mii maker is literally in the settings. The SETTINGS. The eshop is a mess. The online service there offering is just shit. There anti consumerism is insane, there hardware is now bad which was never the case before. Some games are lazy and unfinished. I know this comment is bad but I just wanted to say this.
You are just listening to a bunch of 35-year-old neckbeards that cry over a 21-year-old game and have a lot of terrible actions in that community. I already exposed that community and l'm proud of it. Also, I'm starting to think that this isn't Nintendo Whơ's the bad guy anymore? It's actually its community. Weaponizing lwata's death, harassing and attacking innocent casual gamers and blindly pretending everything was beautiful and pretty when both lwata and Reggie were still around. can easily make a video message directly for you proving that not everything was beautiful and pretty when they were still around. have a bunch of truth videos that are going to be launching this year so you better be prepared for some real evidence rather than misinformation from a bunch of 35-year-old neck beards, complainers and people that harass casual gamers for playing games they don't like.
l'm going to say this and it's the truth. The Nintendo switch is actually better than the 3DS and the Wii U. I'm really sorry but it's true. Not everyone around the world can actually afford a Wii back then and there's a good reason why Nintendo is porting those Wii U games to the switch. There are games out there that those people really wanted to try back then but were unable to because they didn't have a Wii U.
@@M64bros the cummunity is at fault. And too an extent so are you. You simping for the company is one of the reasons the switch is so bad. They’ve finnaly released that they can make terrible products but people will eat there shit because it’s Nintendo. And that’s basically what there saying. The switch is the best console and wavier of the universe and we should all treat Nintendo like gods and if we don’t buy there games they will go homeless.
@@b8conbear330 Dude, you clearly don't even know how to spell anything accurately do you? You've been listening to a bunch of clickbait stuff on the internet. It's kind of embarrassing this is coming from a dude that does Roblox videos 24/7 and doesn't even know the actual truth of its toxic community. The reason why a lot of people agree with me is because unlike Harman Smith I don't treat Nintendo as a god or say they're better than anything else, have real accurate information rather than misinformation from a bunch of complainers that attack and harass innocent people for liking games they don't like, weaponizing Iwata's death against casual gamers and Nintendo, sending Sakurai death threats over DLC for Smash Bros, along with a bunch of 35-year-old neck beards that cry over a 21-year-old game and already been exposed to the public after what the panda CEO has done. I know all this because I read accurate rear information and I know a lot more truths and evidence rather than the clickbaiters that spread misinformation.
@@b8conbear330 Also, they'll still be people buying their games and supporting them, but those types of people are actually casual gamers that don't go on the internet and cry 24/7 just like you over smash tournaments that deserved to be shut down after being exposed.
Real fact: Both Doug Bowser and Shuntaro Furukawa Never made the decision to make the paid online membership, It was planned long before they even became presidents. Which means Reggie himself was affiliated with that decision and while lwata was hospitalized and told Sakurai to make Super Smash Bros Ultimate before he died. honestly don't mind paying 20 bucks every December considering the fact that I have a job. As a Wii U owner Since got the Wii U when it was released, it was a good console but it was never perfect. I'm sorry but it's true, Not everyone was able to find one back then and during that era not everything was beautiful and pretty when both lwata and Reggie Were still around. DMCA strikes of their own, the Wii U failure, horrible marketing, terrible advertisements, lack of third party games for the Wii Mario tennis ultra smash and Star Fox zero. still play on my Wii U still to this day but to be honest that era had some good memories but it's still a terrible era. Don't just pretend everything was beautiful and pretty when both lwata and Reggie were still around. They had DMCA strikes of their own, horrible Wii U marketing, terrible advertisements, lack of third party games for the Wii U, Wi games based on 3DS games, Mario tennis ultra smash, metroid prime federation force, Not everyone was able to find a Wii U back then and Star Fox zero. As a Wii owner of my own that era was never perfect even though it had good memories, I'm really sorry but it's true.
I never said that the Wii u was a flawless console, and I would probably give the edge to the Switch overall. That said, I disagree with some things you say. The pay wall for online is anti consumer, I don't think it's worth defending even if it's relatively 'cheap'. Nintendo hasn't changed much in regards to DMCA strikes. 3rd party support is pretty awful on the Switch (for AAA games), even if it's better than previously. I don't see how marketing/ads matter too much to fans, although I'd honestly say I prefer older ad campaigns for games back then compared to now. (e.g. Botw compared to Totk). In terms of bad games, you could always just not play them you know? Rather than fixating on bad games, I think it's better to look at good ones, and I really do think that there was a higher density of good games that releaed prior to the Switch from Nintendo. And I'm sure 90% of the people that were working with Nintendo during the Wii U days are still around, or were still around when the Switch launched anyway.
@@WumbleWasp Did you have a few good points, by the end of the day I will always love Nintendo's developers and employees, but I will always despise its DMCA legal team. (Apologies if the reply was too long from earlier)
3d world, pikmin 3, DK tropical freeze, hyrule warriors (Wii u and 3DS versions combined) and Mario kart 8 were ported to the switch. So wouldn’t the switch have more system sellers than the Wii U? also pokken tournament and bayonetta 2 were also ported to switch. 😅
I think the you underestimate the time it takes to make ports and the difficulty it takes to mass produce high performance games on a mobile device. Like yes there are a lot of ports but the only reason why there is so many is because people will buy them and they don;t want to cannibalize their own sale. If a lot of people bought Mariokart 8 on the WiiUthen they would have made a new mariokart but they did not need to and I am happy I have the option to play it since I did not get a WiiU. Yes Nintendo abandoned their fans who were with them through their toughest times but that is what let the switch become so popular. Having played Breath of the Wild anywhere on a device in 2017 that cost $300 would have been unthinkable at that time. The ability to play handhelp what used to be something you had to play on the TV is amazing. I get the price is annoying but you can get deals if you monitor prices you can get deals fairly regularly.
Ok, so I don't think I got like a single comment about ports the entire time this video has been up and now this is the second I've gotten in the span of a couple days. Weird right? Ports don't take much time to develop relatively speaking, and trying to insist otherwise is just misguided. Even if they had to be redone from the ground up, or transferred into a new engine or whatever, it still wouldn't require anywhere near as many staff or resources to develop as a brand new game of a similar scale from scratch. The number of staff involved in these types of projects are always heavily downscaled, and less involved as it only requires the technical staff. Outside scraps of new content, creatives have sweet fa to do with these projects, which includes directors, writers game/level designers, artists, animators, modellers, musicians, sound deisngers etc. It's not like when Nintendo commissions some wii u port these people are just sitting their twiddling their thumbs. And it's not like what I'm saying is fiction that I'm making up on the spot. These Nintendo ports are typically done by their support teams or if not, are outsourced to their other susidiaries or partners. Their core teams don't work on ports beyond supervision at most. They're usually done by 1-up studios, Nintendo Software Technology, or outsourced to say Tantalus games or Grezzo, or etc etc. Anyway, I respect your experience with the switch and all that, but it doesn't really address anything I say in this video. This video is coming from the perspective of a Wii U owner, and as one of those rare specimens, Wii U ports don't mean anything to me. I'm completely indifferent about them, besides their pricing at least.
@@WumbleWasp I agree with that ports do not nearly take as much time to make as the original game but I get where you are coming from. The other thing that I wanted to mention is that the switch got most of these game and ports, and .5 improvements withing the first year to year and half of the system being launched which is why people say it has a much better line up. As a WiiU owner I see how you felt like yu were left out to dry but that is the reason why the switch was so successful in my opinion. They were able to get a device that could mostly play last gen game mobily and then had a ton of games ready to go near launch. Without that I don't think the switch would have been nearly as successful. If you are someone who mostly plays on the TV you have every right and reason to be upset at the way Nintendo is going right now and what they did. Nintendo completely catered to new customers instead of their hardcores which I get is hard but they had to do what is best for the company. i also came from your older video and in my opinion this title is better. The switch has an overall better lineup if you came from the wii or ps3/4 but if you came from the wiiU I completely get why you are disappointed
@@Melchirobin But idk i think ironically enough that's the problem. It's just that Nintendo focusing on their new customers instead of their old customers that have supported the company for years or decades will lead to not great thing's in the long term especially considering that they're treating their older fans like trash if the Nintendo 3ds and wii u eshop closure is another to go by. Games are now 70 dollars instead of 60, not much first party games as before, no Nintendo selects, no virtual console etc. But also this might lead to wii u situation again this time instead of bad marketing. It'll be their horrible business practices that'll hurt their sales the most. Well if that ever happens i doubt it but who knows screw over people enough and they'll get upset maybe idk.
I definitely agree with almost everything you said. I could say all the good and bad things I think about the Switch and conclude that the 3DS and Wii U were better (which is true, even if I never got there own a Wii U). But to say that most of the things I hate the switch for are unfinished games and joy con drift I think is more than enough. However, I am here to talk about what I did not like about your opinion since I honestly feel that you were very ignorant in what was the quality of the games section. First I will start by saying that it was very bad and ignorant on your part that you said that one of the bad things that Smash Ultimate has is that it is a glorified smash 4 or it is a Smash 4.5 when it really is not like that, Smash Ultimate visually is similar to Smash 4 but in gameplay it's not Smash 4 I say this because you praised New Super Mario Bros U when it's just glorified New Super Mario Bros Wii or New Super Mario Bros Wii.5 there is not much difference between the two games. (I do not include New Super Luigi since that is a separate game and this one does manage to differentiate itself from New Wii and New U), which annoys me since you simply complained in the slightest, Smash Ultimate has many, MANY more problems and worse than just that, The same applies to your complaint with Maker 2, it has a lot of problems, more serious problems than just look like maker 1 (even if I don't like maker 2 I'm surprised what did you say that then if it manages to make a big difference by having things that maker 1 didn't have, like a story mode, world creator, multiplayer [although this one already comes with self-explanatory problems.] etc.) The second thing I wanted to talk about is the case of the New Mario 2D series, in my opinion I think that having a new installment (instead of a Deluxe version of New U) was practically impossible from 2017 to the present, this is because Mario Maker came to completely replace it (Both original and sequel) It is very obvious that many fans and probably Nintendo itself think that because Mario Maker (especially Maker 2) already gives you the freedom to create both levels and worlds. Why would it be necessary to make a new installment of the New Super Mario Bros? if Super Mario Maker is already absolutely superior in everything?, don't get me wrong, I would be fascinated to see a New Super Mario Bros Switch or New Super Mario Bros 3 but it seems that this will not happen and possibly never will happen because of how unnecessary it is (both for the company as for many fans) (Sorry if I made some spelling mistakes on some words, ok, my English is not perfect at all).
Thanks for watching the video I appreciate it. I wouldn't say my opinions are ignorant considering the hours I've sinked into the series. But yeah anyway, I would easily argue that (including the gameplay..) Ultimate isn't really that different from 4 in the grand scheme of things. It's really just a reworked engine. Most of the content is just retreading through older stuff, and the only new substantial thing here (world of light) is very mediocre and does not do a good job of replacing events, trophies, subspace etc.. So it kinda just sits there being a very underwhelming sequel as someone who spent so much time with Wii U & 3DS. But I also couldn't care less about the competitive side of smash, so maybe that makes a difference. With NSMBU - it's not the same as smash because it's a completely new game with completely new level design. In fact it's probably the best of the 'new' series, and easily does the most to evolve on the formula. It's not like Nintendo just took Wii, brought in the DS levels, and half a new world with Toadette or some bs and called it a day. Mario Maker doesn't really replace new games. I get the argument, but the 2D Mario series shouldn't necesarily be restricted to just the NSMB style. I mean, just look at the direction they took the series with the gameboy games. Or the donkey kong franchise. Or even non nintendo games like Rayman. There's no reason Nintendo couldn't make a new creative 2D mario game. A level creator doesn't replace one at all, especially considering the quality of 99.9999% of the levels you play in them. It's like saying new AAA games shouldn't be released because you can just play roblox or dreams or minecraft or something instead. And with Mario Maker 2. EVEN if you were to argue it's better than the 1st game, it's not like it does that much to push it above it. It's pretty much the same exact game with a few crumbs of new content and features scattered here and there. It doesn't do much to justify the '2'. Just like SSBU, it's built on the foundation of the previous game and doesn't really do much to evolve the franchise. For me, as someone who played the original games, I can't say I'm satisfyed with these sequels at all because they don't really offer anything new, anything I haven't really experienced years prior.
@@WumbleWasp At the end of the day, I can understand if Ultimate was disappointing for you in almost many sections (If that includes the gameplay) I am also disappointed with Ultimate although in my case they are for different reasons (put more attetion on the characters but not the game modes or the lack of modes like All-Star mode among many others are one of many problems i have with the game.) With NSMBU I honestly disagree with his opinion, I understand that you want to find a difference but I can't find it at all beyond a single new Power-up, levels and bosses, because visually it looks like New Wii but rescaled in HD the visual difference between the first Super Mario and Super Mario Bros 3 it's way to bigger, it's not like they take the same game (Super Mario Bros 1) you add new levels and worlds and just call it "Super Mario Bros 3" thing that happened with Super Mario bros 2 original (that's why I don't count Super Mario USA because it's a Fake Super Mario made only for the public outside of japan) and in the worlds it's also a problem although it was understandable that in New DS and New Wii they had to reuse most of the established worlds (Grassland, Desert, Snow, Clouds, Volcanoes) I honestly see no excuse for wanting to be more daring and present more variety in the worlds in New 2 and New U (which is why Mario Land 2 is one of my favorite mario games in general by offering such bizarre worlds that it's a shame that none of the new games have dared to do something similar). and in the case of mario maker 2 I still have the same opinion I would like to see a new installment in 2D (I don't care if it's a New or not) and your example that no one should release an AAA game anymore because minecraft, Dreams, Roblox etc, exists is very solid. but it will be necessary to see if nintendo strives to at least make a new installment or they will simply go to the insurance in replacing it with Maker (apart from the fact that Maker 2's Story Mode could also be the last nail in the coffin for the New/2D Series by already offering levels created by nintendo itself but I'm not sure at all). and your disappointment with maker 2 I can understand but just like ultimate they are for different reasons (Maker 2 at least for me, for more interesting content it can offer, I honestly feel that the game is unfinished and that it has put many limitations on the player). and now that I remember in your conclusion you said that you had moved away from nintendo because of its lack of games (other than wii u ports) and because most of them seem disappointing to you and you started playing more on PC or on playstation, honestly I passed for the same situation and I felt something more positive than negative, in 2016 for example there was no nintendo game that interested me more than Planet Robobot, Mario Party Star Rush and getting a copy of luigi's mansion dark moon (because the first that I had was stolen from me) it was not there that I met the Indie audience, thanks to my distance from Nintendo I was able to learn about games like FNAF, undertale, Geometry Dash or Cuphead and everything that happened there was magical, and then we went on to 2018 where I must tell before that I hated playstation with a burning passion because in 2016 I had a very bad experience with 2 playstation fanboys who hated me because I liked nintendo and mario. My hatred was so great that when I heard someone talk about playstation I thought that he had mental problems and that he was a violent person, without a doubt those times were dark for me because I did not want to be friends with anyone because they liked playstation. but going back to 2018 was where I was able to give it a chance for curiosity and MY GOD, what a catalog (Ratched and clank, God of War, Final Fantasy, Uncharted, Ghost of Tsushima Etc.) everything was spectacular and believe me it was without a doubt getting away from Nintendo in 2016 and 2018 was a good decision as it opened me up to more games that I thought were garbage. And i understand your disappointment for nintendo in those years but honestly I feel that it was something more than positive (at least for me) since when the day comes when nintendo disappears from gaming or has to stop supporting them, at least I will have multiple doors from where I can go when that happens.
The Switch is just a portable Wii U that was rebranded because Nintendo failed to market the U. A new MarioKart, Zelda, or DK country hasn’t released under the Switch’s run. Let that sink in..Switch has been out for 5 years and there has NOT been a new MarioKart or DK game since 2014, and BOTW released in 2017 as a Wii U game. So since 2006, Nintendo has released two consoles with “Wii” in the title, and the Switch which is a portable Wii U. People are either too stupid to see it, or they are little kids who don’t give a shit bc their parents pay for everything
how come? It's completely based on the foundation of Smash 4 rather than from the ground up, and barely has any 'new' content outisde of paid DLC, which is a whole other can of worms in and of itself. Not saying it's a bad game by any means, but it's easily the most underwhelming sequel of the entire franchise.
@@WumbleWasp first and most important Physics dude.. best physics in any smash game it’s totally different and superior than smash 4 and let me use your argument against you since smash 4 is totally just a better version of smash brawl same sluggish physics and all they just fixed the slip issues and that, ultimate on the other hand brings ALL the fighters from previous games, the character movement feels more like melee but not as fast but definetly not sluggish like 4/brawl it’s just a sweetspot where competitive feels frantic and casual play is enjoyable as heck, tons of stages, balanced characters all around and my final strike: THE kill screen dude idc what anyone says there has not been a more satisfying thing in a smash game than seeing a red anime screen of death when you smash your opponent with a charged attack out of the screen it’s such a energetic and frantic game that it’s on a different level, and yeah I’m not saying is perfect because single player is lackluster but playing with friends (which is what the game is intended for) it easily makes it the best switch party game and the best smash bros of all time period :)
The physics are very similar to SSB4. I've played hundreds of hours of both games, and I can confidently say that gameplay and mechanically, Ultimate is superior... but only by a hair - relative to 4, Brawl and Melee which offered radically different gameplay styles to their predecessors. There's virtually 0 reason to revisit 4 for mutlplayer, and that's actually not a slight against 4.
Yeah man I mean smash ultimate is the definitive version of this era of smash it didn’t bring nothing new or crazy but rather polished it and I’m fine with it I hope the next one we get is something fresh that blows our mind but for what it is Smash u is the one I would recommend to who has or hasn’t played smash before that’s just me
This video was trash trash for me and most of the opinions felt stupid and like they were pulled out of nowhere. The Switch will always be the better console to me.
@@WumbleWasp Did you even read the articles that the switch saved Nintendo from bankrupt? Sure the Wii U may have been a fun console but the marketing for it was terrible. We should be thankful that the switch is Lord's better than the Wii U itself. But the Wii U and 3DS are still cool though
@@M64bros bro why did you delete your comment I was just about to post a reply Anyway, all I was really saying is that I agree with most of what you're saying, but I think they're sucess has lead to their complancency, which has really turned me off the brand. Sure the Switch itself is a better console than the WIi U, but this video is about perspective, not sales numbers or the like.
@@WumbleWasp I strongly agree with you and you do have a good point there! The real reason I deleted that comment was I thought It wasn't going to end well but turns out you actually loved it. Also, I agree with you on your opinion.
One of the only things the Switch has for me that makes it better than the Wii U and 3DS was having other people I know being to play with me since nobody else I knew when I played the Wii U a lot had one.
The pandemic affected Nintendo much more than western companies because they are a traditional Japanese company. They had no work from home set up and they more or less lost a full year of development. With regards to your point about wanting separate hardware for home and handheld, that would result in even less games than what we have now. They would have to develop games for PS4 and PS3 level hardware. The strength of Switch isn’t that we purely get more games overall, but that we have more franchises represented in a single console. It’s more convenient and easier to invest when you only have one system. Also, game development is difficult and context matters. Retro hasn’t put out anything since 2014. Alpha Dream (M&L devs) went bankrupt. Three houses and wooly world (despite how you feel about them) were delayed multiple times. Simply combining the dev talent from both hardware teams doesn’t mean more and faster games, when everything is HD. Also, many of their games have longer DLC support due to their success, so that is another reason the next game may take longer. And for all the ports you raised issue with, the Switch was such a quick turn around from the Wii U (4 years) that it was always going to reuse those games. I mean the fact that they were so good to you is the very reason Nintendo couldn’t let them go to waste on Wii U. But now that the pandemic is mostly behind us, the latter half of 2021, this year and 2023 are showing us the true potential of Nintendo. Just more spread out so the titles don’t eat into each other’s sales. On average, 10-20 titles is the most we can expect, as opposed to before we they could get games out faster and release them close to each other as they were on different platforms. Something else I wanted to bring up was that you didn’t bring up third party support this time. I find it hard to argue that Switch’s isn’t massively better. just the huge number of indie titles alone is insane. You’ve got games like Skyrim, Dark Souls, DQ XI S, and more that never would have come to the Wii U. And in terms of power, Wii U was even weaker than the 360 and it was never going to get PS4/XB1 games even if it was successful. Switch also used the most powerful mobile chip it could at the time, being the Tegra X1. This was always the best case, but the next console isn’t too far off. Dev kits are out and info is pointing to a release next year. Ultimately, it’s okay that you feel a certain era was better than the 2nd to current years of the Switch. I’ll say that the Switch still has several years of support left from Nintendo (MP4, a new donkey Kong or Pikmin game), so while no individual year may live up to 2017 or “peak” Wii U 3DS days, I believe that at the end of the Switch’s life it will have at least surpassed the Wii U and 3DS individually for you. And sure, certain franchises like the sports games may not compare as well to previous entries, but that isn’t the last we’ll see of them and I think it’s good to look forward to the next entry.
Ironically, at least looking in from the outside, it really seems like the pandemic impacted western devs a hell of a lot more than Nintendo. I mean, at least Nintendo had a somewhat consistent output, with polished games. Otherwise, 2021 was probably the worst year for AAA games... ever honestly. In terms of the handheld/home console balance - it's just a preference, because I know it wouldn't work in this day and age for Nintendo. Even a dedicated home console would not perform well against Xbox/PS BUT no there definietely would be a lot more games if there was a cheaper alternative to the home console + a reason to make them. If Nintendo had to support another system like a 4DS on the side to the Switch, I'm certain there would be a lot more Nintendo releases than what we've gotten with just the Switch. I think at the end of the day, putting aside what you were saying about game devs.. I just think it's really questionable why after merging handheld and home devs into one dedicated system - it has resulted in getting only a slightly higher output than what the Wii U got... Keeping in mind that the Wii U and Switch really aren't far apart from one another. They're both 'HD' with a very similar archeticture. Even if Nintendo just liquidated all of their handheld development teams and partners (lol) --- just having a sole focus on development towards one platform really should have resulted in a notably higher output of games than the Wii U, but it really hasn't been the case. nor does it make any sense to me. I have an issue with Wii U ports because they're ridiculously expensive. Unlike the Wii ports to Wii U. That said, my issue isn't the ports, but it's the 'new' games - most of which are heavily reliant on the Wii U/3DS games as a foundation, and don't do much to evolve themselves beyond that standard. Unlike every previous Nintendo gen's sequels. Now 3rd party is a can a worms that I really didn't want to open in this video. It's bad. The 3rd party support on Switch is really really bad. Yes you've got indies. Yes you've got 10 year old overpriced ports. Sometimes you've got that regional cloud game. But in terms of current gen games, I really can't think of many that released, and of the small handful that have, they aren't exactly great options over other systems. Especially Steam Deck now. Yes overall, it's better than the Wii U, but it's still not good imo... Either way, I wasn't talking about 3rd party support in this video anyway. I was talking about Nintendo. But the Wii U was definietely superior to the X360 in hardware. Ironically the PS3 probably had an edge not the 360. Not that I'm defending the hardware though.. I just think it's sad that the Wii U was seriously underpowered for it's time, and the Switch rolls around with near identical hardware for close to a decade. Anyway, I think the damage has been done for Nintendo at this point. After 2018, 2019 alone, I got really bored of them and just moved on. So even best case scenario, I doubt the Switch will ever surpass the 3DS/Wii U for me just out of priciple.
@@WumbleWasp a couple of points. The Wii U had more RAM and a stronger GPU compared to the 360, but a weaker CPU. It was why a lot of third party ports performed worse. Second, it not only has a completely different architecture from the Switch, but was even different compared to the PS4/XB1. Switch has ARM, which is what the 3DS and mobile devices today use. Wii U used PowerPC which was very outdated compared to the x86 of current gen because they were devoted to ensuring perfect backwards compatibility with the Wii. The Switch in handheld is straight up more powerful than the Wii U and over twice as much in docked. It has double the RAM and a much stronger GPU, allowing it to run games like MK8 at 1080 and give Smash lighting and shadows in real time. It also actually supports modern engines, like UE4 and Unity, and APIs like Vulkan, allowing ports like Doom. I can guarantee you that Wii U would never have received Doom, the Witcher, or Fortnite. Porting from Wii U to Switch is not trivial, as seen by Botw’s launch performance. Though with time it was patched and now runs better than Wii U. That, along with many games having added content, is why Nintendo is charging $60 for games at launch. And they stay at that price because they keep selling at that price. Discounts and sales exist though, as long as you look for them. If the Wii U was a success, Nintendo would have done the same thing, instead of giving away games if you bought the system (how I got Pikmin 3). And if we compare titles, Mario tennis on Wii U was even worse, golf didn’t exist, there was no fire emblem, Metroid, Animal Crossing, or Pokemon. Sure you can compare nine of releases, but I owned both systems and didn’t buy every release. NES remix of the equivalent of an indie game, along with all the Mario vs donkey Kong games. The crypt of the necrodancer Zelda collaboration helps fill in those gaps anyway. Game and Wario isn’t comparable to a real Warioware for example. Also, 2016 for Wii U was definitely the worst year of any Nintendo system. 2018 and 2019 beat them though sheer quality alone. 2013 was also a dry year for Wii U. Really 2014 and 15 were fine, but MK8 literally didn’t have a battle mode, Smash 4 had no single player, and Splatoon had a very small campaign. So yes content was reused, but that’s because it’s smart and efficient to do so and was how they were able to hit the ground running for Switch in 2017. But the problem with a banger year like 2017 is that a lot of their dev teams all had to work on their next projects at the same time, which is why we’re still waiting for a new 3D Mario and Zelda. Combine that with the pandemic and we just have done unfortunate timing. I do think the latter half of this year and through the rest of this decade will be strong for Nintendo. If new hardware comes out by next March, we get a new DK, 2D Mario, Pikmin 4, MP4, and more, I think that will come very close to 2017 just in terms of software quality. I say, have hope because the future is bright now, especially since Nintendo is expanding with their second big development building next to their headquarters.
The hardware differences are trivial though. I guess it's a handheld tbf, but it's not a massive increase in power. I also don't believe the things you're arguing like $60 ports. And you've just neglected to mention the 3DS too.
@@WumbleWasp the architecture differences are significant. PowerPC was really outdated and it was a big deal when Apple finally transitioned from PPC to x86 with Intel back in the day. The same thing happened recently with their change to ARM for their Macs. It breaks a lot of compatibility and requires developers to make native versions again. The trade off is that everything is streamlined and more efficient for mobile tech. Also the Switch isn’t just a handheld. The fact that their clock speeds increase when docked (for RAM and GPU) allow for increased resolution and performance. And the reason I didn’t mention 3DS is because you’re comparing two consoles to one. At best the number of games would be equal, but that would only be true if they still made a mix of HD AAA games like BOTW AND PS2 era games on the 3DS. When everything is HD, it means everything takes longer. Games that could be completed on 3DS would take 1-2 years, now take 2-4 years minimum for EVERY game in every franchise. You also have to consider the time it takes to train the 3DS teams to work on HD games. They didn’t just transition instantly.
What could make the Mario franchise in this current switch era better is if they make more mainline titles. The switch can really use another new mainline Mario game alongside Odyssey. Hopefully Nintendo does release an new mainline Mario rather it be 2D or 3D. No more spin offs, we need the mainline games back. The Wii U had New Super Mario Bros U and Super Mario 3D World. The 3DS had New Super Mario Bros 2 and Super Mario 3D Land. Both consoles at least had two new mainline titles which was fine. Even the Wii had Super Mario Galaxy, New Super Mario Bros Wii, and Super Mario Galaxy 2. That's three new mainline titles on one console. That was much better than what we have currently for new mainline Mario on switch. If we were to get another original New Super Mario Bros game on switch and an Odyssey 2, I would be very much satisfied, and this would truly do the Mario side of the switch justice.
That's honestly how I feel about the Switch era. Looking at it in the vacuum, there is a fair share of content to offer. However, as a successor to the Wii U and the 3DS, it is incredibly lackluster. It all feels devalued because I owned a Wii U. I kind of regret not having a 3DS earlier because a lot of franchises I got to play on Switch had better counterparts on that console. I bought a Series X at launch and it is a much better console to play third party games on, so I can't even excuse the lacking exclusives with the multiplatform games.
I thought it was sad that a Wii mote and nunchuck felt better than two joycons.
Yep considering that Wii remotes and nunchucks are much older than joy cons yet they work and feel just fine compared to the joy cons.
@@rohitkashyap9904 joy cons are just so small and thin.
Wiimote 2 should really be an accessory tbh!
@@GQtheGamer yep, with barely any proper grip to them like the joycon's tend to loose grip for me more than the wii remote because of how small the joycon's are. It also doesn't feel right to hold like the wii remote again because of it's size. Honestly I'd feel bad for kids who have trouble properly holding stuff because the small joycon's will probably affect them the most unfortunately and turning them sideways is worse because of how small it is. Edit again: although i do that without the wrist strap the wii remote if you used too much force then it would fling or fall out of your hands lol. Idk if the joycon wrist strap fixed this problem though.
Alright, I’m just going to come out and say it. Satoru Iwata was a president who cared about games first and foremost. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that 2-3 years after his death that Nintendo slows down their output of games because they are making just as much money if not more by drip-feeding their customers. (The implication being that the games given the green-light under Iwata were produced and shipped in that time-frame).
Let’s be real, that Mario 3D-Allstars s**t wouldn’t have happened under Iwata, NO WAY!
Well yep. If Iwata was still alive at least of the 3D Mario games would’ve gotten a genuine remaster not a lazy port.
@@rohitkashyap9904 Then how come we got a lazy port of Super Mario All-Stars snes during Mario's 25th anniversary? Also blaming his death won't make a difference
I know that this comment is old. But it's true that during the wii era on the 25th anniversary of Mario. All we got was a lazy port of SNES games. But iwata did fix his mistake during the wii u era and actually gave us a good new original game called super Mario maker for the 30th anniversary(hopefully i said that right). Edit: the games during iwata's era were delayed but for good reason to make sure that they ran well and were complete finished games. Also like this video said there were 3ds games during the wait time for new wii u games so at least people got to play something while waiting.
@@M64bros I know this reply is 5 months overdue. I did not originally see your reply then, so I am rectifying that now.
Mario’s 25th anniversary did not use inferior versions of the game (Shindo rom). And it was not missing games that should have been celebrated. Mario 3D all-stars did not have Mario galaxy 2. The 25th anniversary edition did not have super Mario world, but that is still consistent as it wasn’t a re-release of “super Mario all stars +”.
Oh and the large point, they did not scrub the game from the stores at the end of the fiscal year. That’s where I strongly believe Iwata would not have done that.
@@sias.2569 I'm pretty sure he would do the exact same thing considering the fact that legend of Zelda 4 swords was also a "limited release" on the original DSi in 3DS
The problem is we can't keep blaming Iwata's death, It has already created a bunch of toxic controversy with the Nintendo community and it needs to stop
Everyone is complaining about the Wii U yet no one acknowledges that the Wii U resurrected Pikmin, Yoshi and Star Fox on it’s own.
Yoshi’s new island released on the 3ds a year before Yoshi’s wooly world came out that isn’t a resurrection but u are right about Pikmin
Also not to nitpick the Wii U didn’t revive those series Nintendo decided to revive the series the Wii U was just a platform to play them on
YES, finally somebody understands! I'm a Wii U apologist, and trying to get people to understand my stance has always been an uphill battle. Thank you for reassuring me that I'm not the only one.
Same
The Wiiu was a huge part of my life and when I found out so many people hated it I was genuinely shocked. The 3DS and Wiiu generation was so incredible. Everything was so happy and filled with passion! Unfortunately nowadays I feel like it's all about business now :/
@@JeysArcade However it did have some flaws as well, Don't just pretend everything was beautiful and pretty during that era
They had dmca strikes of their own, horrible Wii U marking, terrible advertisements, Wii U games based on 3DS games, Star Fox zero, Mario tennis ultra smash, Metroid Prime Federation Force, Paper Mario sticker Star and amiibo festival
I'm saying this as a 3DS and a Wii U owner of my own they had good memories but they are nowhere better than the switch era, I'm not nostalgia blind.
@@M64bros Who said everything was perfect during the Wii U/3DS era? It doesn't help that most of the issues you mentioned exist on the Switch as well.
Nintendo's always been overprotective of their IPs, nothing new there. The Wii U's terrible marketing has nothing to do with the quality of the system. Many of the Switch's best-selling games are clearly sequels to or improved versions of 3DS games, much like the Wii U (which I don't really see as an issue). The Switch has its fair share of mediocre games as well, ex. Super Mario Party, Switch Sports, Kirby Star Allies, 1-2-Switch, Yoshi's Crafted World, basically all the Mario Sports games, etc. This has nothing to do with nostalgia.
@@makaronishenouda6413 and the successful switch games, are they mediocre? It can't be Mario and Zelda 24/4 all the time. There are also successful third party games as well other people love besides Mario and Zelda. The reason is why we're getting those ports is because most people weren't able to get a Wii U back then and really want to try those games on the switch and they run better on the switch hardware.
THANK YOU. This is something I always felt about the switch and I always felt like these issues were extremely overlooked. I like the switch but it is definitely inferior to the 3DS and Wii U. Hardware wise, menu, UI and game wise. The 3DS is my favourite but I always felt like the Wii U deserved love. I’m so sick of people saying the Wii U is “the worst Nintendo console” and that “it has no games” many of the switches great games started on the Wii U, so don’t act like the Wii U was trash and praise the switch to oblivion.
As a Wii U, 3DS, and Switch owner, I 100% agree with you. The 1st part game lineup of the Nintendo Switch in 2022 is so weak. You got two games that push the series forward, two disappointing unfinished games, one game that is barely called a sequel, the other looking fantastic and that's basically it really sad honestly.
FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS ME! I just loved the 3ds and wii u era, it just was better in every way to me! Planning to buy a 3ds and maybe after that if i can, a wii u because of the amazing games it has to offer (i had a switch until i sold it btw)
You should buy your Switch back.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 wii u was not the only reason i sold my switch tho, the game prices in my country is quarter, sometimes 1\3 of the minimum wage, they are not buyable. I just can't afford to buy switch games anymore with an american dollar being 15₺. The minimum wage is like 270-300 and one game is 60-100 dollars changing if it's a 1st party game or not.
@@marcelojogos6247 No, You’re crazy for thinking the Wii U and 3DS are better than the switch, dude! The Wii U sucks so much! Switch is much more fun! He needs to buy it back! Hopefully he already did!
@@marcelojogos6247agreed. The switch is bad. And I have a 3ds, Wii U, and switch. I’m very nostalgic for my 3ds but sadly I didn’t find very much games back then for my Wii U. I hope to soon. This era is just shit. The anti consumer breaking records. We’re missing so many things like charming menus and software and something like miiverse or streetpass. The switch’s hardware is so much worse. It’s laggy and buggy. The online service… I could go on
@@marcelojogos6247 I'm going to say this and it's the truth. The Nintendo switch is actually better than the 3DS and the Wii U. I'm really sorry but it's true. Not everyone around the world can actually afford a Wii back then and there's a good reason why Nintendo is porting those Wii U games to the switch. There are games out there that those people really wanted to try back then but were unable to because they didn't have a Wii U. However, I still have my 3DS with me that it's better than the Wii U as well. I still play on my Wii U 3DS and switch still to this day
The probable reason why most Switch games have been feeling shorter or having less content than older Nintendo games is because Nintendo has been quite low on ideas since the Switch era. It feels to me that most of the switch games released in 2018 were just Wii U ports.
I think the thing is with the wii u and the 3ds era was that it felt like there was a community that all loved nintento through thick and thin and even though nintendo was still stubborn as they are now, they still made games that people talked about for months on end. tbh idk at least for me it felt like all my friends were into nintendo and that there were so many games to play with them
I agree. It used to be a much more chill community. And yeah, each game release felt more significant and talked about. Guess that's the result of having a smaller community and less games.
@@davemarquez770 five words, better quality games on both. Meaning both the wii u and gamecube have god tier quality games on them(ok mostly Nintendo games)
but the point still stands sure both console's had a hard time but they were still great consoles after their peak and people are still talking about them a decade later. That's saying something(it means they're good consoles bro).
But honestly you kinda sound like a troll or a shill either way please understand that people have their own opinions and it should be respected even if you disagree with them. I get it, you love the switch but at least watch the video before making dumb comments because honestly it sounds like you didn't watch it at all and are hate it because it's not your opinion (at least that's what It sounds like to me. But please correct me if I'm wrong). But the switch can have some good games yes, but it started to go downhill fast in late 2018 and plus the 3ds and wii u are definitely better than the switch in my opinion nowadays because they have charm, personality, great first party games and an awesome user interface and controllers that don't drift 24/7 and can actually fit in your hands(the wii remote and the ds are the best controllers Nintendo has made). Anyway sorry for this being long, also the main reason I replied is because well you probably didn't watch the video and claiming that the switch has better games or scores or whatever than the previous generations doesn't sound right. Again correct me if wrong. Cya edit: i looked at one of your previous replies and you didn't even list any Nintendo first party games for the wii u and you call the wii u games bad seriously dude? Also most first party Nintendo wii u games got rereleased on switch for full price and some of those games are a decade old or less. It's a rip off. Idk how to make this easier to read =( ok maybe i overrated but my point is that both the gamecube and wii u had great first party games. That's all
@@WumbleWasp i don't understand why that person is like this. I mean you gave evidence in the video and they still don't understand sad man sad.
@@davemarquez770 in smash ultimate the only new content is world of light and new dlc characters, a few new stages based on other franchises and i think that was it. They removed trophies, ruined toon link's design and zelda's. I've heard that smash ultimate is worse competitively than smash 4 and considering how Nintendo has been treating the smash community since 2020(yes past years were bad, but 2020 was ten times worse considering people had to stay indoors). Smash 4 had new dlc characters, stage's, costumes and introduced custom mii fighters and you could customize your smash bros character by adding new stats(from what i remember). Also you didn't list any wii u first party games like Mario kart 8, smash 4, mario 3d world, hyrule warriors, Nintendo land, mario bros u, game and wario, donkey Kong tropical freeze etc.(ironically enough i remember more third party for 3ds & wii u than first party, but still great first party games overall) also I'm pretty sure that he said that him not liking bayonetta 3 and fire emblem was his opinion, so try harder for an argument like that. And when smash 4 came out the majority of people loved it and it was praised for another smash bros game and second it was fun and competitive. I've heard that star fox is bad, but idk cas i haven't played it yet. Oh and also he listed more games than star fox zero if you watched the video bro. I can see why he would think smash ultimate is weaker considering that it removed trophies and most of the content is just stages from past games i mean don't get me wrong they added some new stuff, but not enough for 60 dollars, at best it should've been 40 or less and the competitive scene in smash ultimate isn't as good as 4 considering that they changed so much of the controls competitive wise and made it worse. Also personally i don't care about the switch like at all because for me in late 2018 when they added paid online and locked retro games behind a paywall. I knew that Nintendo wasn't the same anymore which is sad, i mean sure back then they did some anti consumer stuff like the 25th anniversary mario edition was a bunch of nes ports i think that's right hopefully. But during the wii u era made super Mario maker for the anniversary and that was superior considering that it was a new game and two you could finally make you're own levels and share them. "He did no research on why there might be less games than 3ds/wii u" dude he shows a timeline of the games in the video. Yeah the switch has games, some good, some awful(Nintendo switch sports, Mario strikers battle league, kirby star allies, 1,2 switch, skyward sword "hd"(the game is fine, it's the business practices that made it worse honestly) and honestly the wii u had more ambitious games than switch(mostly Nintendo land which was awesome compare that to 1,2 switch it's no contest wii u wins there). And i don't really pay attention to Microsoft or sony so idk about their output. Also the only two games that the switch launched with that were promoted a lot was mario odyssey and breath of the wild. Other than that it was Mario kart 8 deluxe which was just a wii u port not an original game. Oh yeah also maybe you should get a hobby instead of replying to most of the comments here. Edit again just counted and you replied 5 times on the videos comments from different people of course. So dude you need a hobby. Oh i forgot to mention this but it's not just the output of games like the video says it's also Nintendo's terrible business practices and how it rips off the consumers basically 60 dollar games plus forced to pay to play online screws over the consumer greatly, how you can't keep retro games anymore unlike the wii u and 3ds that let you keep your games, games saving to the system memory instead of the cartridges or sd card etc. Oh the expansion pack that wants you to pay 50 bucks a month for games you can't keep forever. That's the main con's. I mean don't get me wrong Microsoft started pay to play online bs and then sony followed and now Nintendo. It's sad how far gaming has fallen over the past few years now. I swear soon Nintendo will make glitchy unfinished, buggy, broken messes and shills will still buy it sad man sad.
@@WumbleWasp Although i am curious about why you dislike splatoon 3, legends arceus and bayonetta 3.
Thanks for the video. Why is this obvious criticism towards the switch so hard to come by on the internet, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!
The discourse around Switch vs. Wii U/3DS has never had me feeling more like I'm taking crazy pills (Though, people often forget to bundle 3DS in with the discussion despite being there the whole generation) These are all valid and obvious points of contention with the Switch, but NOBODY ever talks about them... Like, the Switch is clearly a bad home console from a specs/hardware perspective, with terrible controllers, and no core gimmick to offer third-party games a way to stand out compared to versions on Xbox or PS, unlike the Wii U which could always tout Gamepad features as a selling point (I cannot play Assassin's Creed IV on anything but a Wii U.) But it's even more clearly not a good handheld, by three simple facts. It's uncomfortable to hold, it can't fit in you're pocket, and it's battery life is terrible.
There's also another thing that I don't see people talk about often, and that's the fact that people who actually owned and played their Wii U almost always spoke highly of the system at the time, but at some point, maybe around late 2015 to early 2016, it just felt like the court of public opinion took over and no one was allowed to say they like it anymore. Though it might also of been a combination Satoru Iwata's passing, and do to the fact that the PS4 and Xbox One were almost worth owning by that point.
But seriously, if you watched/listened to gaming-centric podcasts of the time like Completely Unnecessary Podcast, Two on the Vine etc. they'd always talk about how much they enjoy the Wii U and 3DS. Even your average let's players/streamer's most popular series/streams were often Wii U or 3DS games like Super Mario Maker, Mario Kart 8 or Smash for. Tomodachi Life so on and so forth. Just type in X-streamer/let's player + Mario Maker or Tomodachi Life and check out the insane view counts, it's nuts!
And another thing that bugs me, is that people often say "Nintendo's marketing was SO BAD in the Wii U-era" and then show like two ads centered around and marketed towards kids/families, while conveniently ignoring the fact that they stole every E3 from 2013 to 2016 (Granted, this wasn't the hardest challenge,) and their standard Directs were better and happened much more often then those in the Switch-era. If someone can find a non-E3 Direct in the Switch-era with a more hype announcement than Cloud Strife getting into Smash, I'd be shocked.
Also one of a small final point. Nintendo treated indies so much better in the Wii U days.
I agree with this a lot. The marketing complaints bother me quite a bit, because who actually .. cares about their commercials and ads? I never watched them. They don't impact the quality of the games. Or of we're talking about the publicity aimed towards their fans and not the general market, i.e. directs/press conferences, then they feel a lot more sterile, and less frequent these days than in the past anyway.
That a lot of people also just forget about the 3DS does bug me a lot too. It's a massive part of their history, it was sucessful during its run, and it had a slew of amazing games. I can understand if people want to call out the Wii U, but so many people treat me and others crazy for calling the pre-switch nintendo era... just good, not even necessarily better. What did the 3DS do to deserve this fate .. haha..
And yeah, games like MK8, SSB4, Splatoon and Mario Maker had mass appeal and large communities online. It didn't even seem like they were locked to an unsuccessful console. Unless I'm just misremembering everything, outside of the rough launch, the system was loved at least for the first half of its lifespan at the time. It definitely carried the opening years of the 8th console gen in geneal. It's a shame that people only have negative things to say about it these days.
Nvm that the switch's joycon's are awful to hold in general. I hated using the joycon's separately because they're too small and don't fit right in your hands at all. Unlike a wii remote or a pro controller. Those were actually designed well. Of course joycon drift is still a thing unfortunately. Also the switch having a dead pixels problem at launch never got fixed and even though Nintendo knew about the problem just like joycon drift they refused to fix it. Don't get me wrong dead pixels have been a problem since the Nintendo ds but the difference is that Nintendo back in 2004 or 2005 would actually fix the issue or just give the customer a new one that didn't have the problem. Like seriously what happened to Nintendo's pro consumer attitude during the wii/ds era and wii u and 3ds era?
@@WumbleWasp Although the smash bros commercials were a bit funny at least to me. Yeah looking back at older directs when iwata was alive it was more fun and alive than now sadly. The 3ds is awesome and has great backwards compatibility. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels this way about the previous Nintendo consoles. Some people just call me "nostalgia blind" for liking the wii u and 3ds, probably the same thing with the wii and ds. I'll never understand why some people defend Nintendo so hard on everything. I just doesn't make sense to me at all like i swear every time people criticize the switch you get attacked by shills and it's annoying. Maybe some people really love the switch so much to the point that they have to bash the previous better consoles to feel good or they get offended that you're criticizing Nintendo at all. I really don't know honestly and ironically enough these people are nostalgia blind themselves and then call others nostalgia blind for liking the previous consoles which makes no sense because these shills love the switch and are blindly defending Nintendo 24/7. It's kinda weird ngl. Anyway sorry for long paragraph. Edit: it's gotten so bad that shills are defending Nintendo for mistreating contractors because they "leaked" games even though it was confirmed that they didn't leak anything.
I’ve realized more and more recently that most of the games that have released for switch have been Wii U ports/ slight revamps. The Switch had its two system sellers during its launch year in Mario Odyssey and Breath of the wild. Since then there haven’t been really any system sellers. Thank god Zelda tears of the kingdom comes out next year.
The Wii U had better games, better controllers, better online, better console features like Miiverse or the internet browser and no drift problem. The Switch only has fully priced ports with a new “Funky mode” added and even amongst the non-ports game a lot of them are really disappointing like 1-2-Switch (the worst Nintendo tech demo), Kirby Star Allies (the laziest Kirby game by a long shot), Pokémon Sword and Shield (reskinned 3DS games) and Super Mario Odyssey (who is okay but extremely disappointing by being way too easy and short and NO collecting boring moons everywhere is not a good endgame!)
Eh...arguably the Switch has better games, it has a better controller with the pro controller, the online thing is true, same with console features and the Wii U not having any drift problem...but the Switch is also a hybrid console so that's a plus. So that's 3 positives and three negatives for the Switch. Not true, it has tons of non ports. And the Wii U didn't have disappointing games? Mario Tennis Ultra Smash which was 50$ and had barely anything...while Aces had more at launch and added more content in updates and had actually good gameplay. Eh...with the mechanics and fan service and lore...it arguably isn't the laziest Kirby game at all, and either way...the Switch also has the most ambitious Kirby game in years with Kirby and the forgotten land. True...Sword and Shield just suck. Odyssey really isn't disappointing and it wasn't too easy...there was certainly challenge to it at times, and it being short was fine as it was designed to be that and to be replayable too, and not all of the moons are boring as a lot of them are fun to collect so the Endgame is good.
@@Jdudec367 The pro controller doesn’t really count as it isn’t the main controller for the console and it doesn’t come with the console either as well as costing 60$. The hybrid console thing is great in concept but in reality the Switch is too big, too expensive, too uncomfortable to hold in handheld mode, too fragile and it also stores save file on the console instead of the cartridges like on 3DS which means that if you loose your Switch somewhere not only do you loose a lot of money but also all of your game progression. Mario Tennis Ultra Smash is bad but there is even more bad games on Switch. Kirby Star Allies is awfully easy (Kirby games aren’t that easy normally), launched unfinished, only has 4 worlds and isn’t innovative in any capacity but I do agree that Forgotten Land looks good (I just haven’t played it yet). Yoshi’s Crafted World is really really bad compared to Woolly World. Super Mario Odyssey isn’t bad but it’s definitely not as good as people make it to be. The moon collecting is mostly annoying and we loose the feeling of accomplishment we had in past games getting a Star for example. The game IS too easy and no other 3D Mario is as easy as Odyssey and the game being short for me is huge negative (when I got the game I finished it in only 2 days).
@@Jdudec367 The endgame in Odyssey is lackluster compared to the endgame in 3D World for example.
@@wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569 Eh...it really isn't to be honest, but it is different.
Mario Odyssey is just as great as 3D World imo but I agree the Wii U is definitely better than the Switch.
I feel like Nintendo is going the same direction as Sony with PS3 or Microsoft with Xbox One, and by that, I mean they are becoming just another soulless corporation, but this
Time, there is no competition.
I feel like profile icons were the only big improvement we got for the Switch. But even then you only had a select few characters and series to choose from. If you payed for the online service then you get access to a limited selection of icon elements that changes every month/week or so which increases by a slight margin if you get the expansion pack which at the moment adds icons for the N64 games included in the expansion pack that change randomly depending on what the missions are.
Everything else about the Switch however, feels like a bunch of massive downgrades. It really does feel like they tried to make things easier for themselves by making a two-in-one system, but because of that they made the console feel lifeless and empty. And with Iwata gone and Reggie retrired the company itself feels like the charm they made vanished and instead fully embraced becoming a soulless corporation. Just look at all of the takedowns and DMCA's over the past few years.
I like your honest opinion and the data and analysis of the timeline and volume of Nintendo made games during the Wii U and 3DS era. Given the modding scene plus the smaller form factor the 3DS shines even more. I think a lot of the heartburn of the Wii U comes from folks misunderstanding that although it looked like the Wii and was Wii compatible...it was a superior console and had more to offer. Nintendo just did a bad job differentiating the Wii U from the Wii and maybe in retrospect they should have given the Wii U a different name instead of having the prior console name in the title.
I can’t speak for the Wii U since I never owned one. But at least for me the switch is in no way a direct replacement for the 3ds. A bunch of features like streetpass, play coins, backwards compatibility, virtual console, portability, etc. are all part of why I enjoyed the 3ds era so much. And even though the switch can technically be portable, even the lite is no where near as pocketable as even a 3ds xl. Mind you, the switch is a great console with great games, but it’s different enough from the 3ds that the 3ds can still hold its own. Even though I have the switch, I still sometimes use the 3ds with no plans to get rid of it.
As someone who's favorite Nintendo consoles are the Wii U and 3DS I 80% agree. Sure the Switch does have a very solid library of original games but it just doesn't live up to the very high expectations of the original and innovative libraries of the Wii U & 3DS. I'd say 2017 was fantastic but 2018 was almost nothing, 2019 was ok, 2020 was once again almost nothing, 2021 was ok, but 2022 was definitely a step up but even then most of the great games were released by external studios like Kirby, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Pokémon, and now Professor Layton while Nintendo themselves have mainly banked off of evergreen titles a lot of which were Wii U ports or even Wii & 3DS ports. I mean the only recent great games by Nintendo in 2022 were Splatoon 3 and Switch Sports but even the latter felt slightly unpolished. However 2023 is looking better I guess because we finally have TOTK and Pikmin 4 but after Pikmin 4's release on July 21 we basically have almost nothing. I'm not saying this is a bad era for Nintendo I'm saying it's good but Wii U & 3DS knocked it out of the park imo.
Yeah that's very true. I've been thinking recently about how while their subsidiaries/partners have been doing okay, something seems to be going wrong with Nintendo EPD themselves. This is seriously the first year since 2017 that they'll be releasing multiple major games in one year (unless you really want to count Nintendo Switch Sports). And even then Pikmin 4 and Totk have been delayed for years on end. I'm willing to bet they've both been in development hell tbh.
I still find it weird to hear the Switch has good games but Wii U had bad games when so many Switch games are just Wii U ports.
Honestly personally speaking, I liked more Wii U games than Switch games. Sure I haven’t played everything, but out of what I did play the Wii U’s titles were more consistently fun than the Switch’s.
Coming from a FORMER Nintendo fan, the Switch is a great system and I'm not going to deny that, BUT it really baffles me (even years later) why the Wii U and N3DS family seriously does some things SO MUCH BETTER than the freaking Switch.
- Nintendo's legacy content just sucks in comparison to Virtual Console
- Switch's Online service... just in general is still a dumpster fire years later
- Switch's eShop is not only garbage for putting quantity over quality with many releases, but for God's sake it doesn't even have something as simple as a rating system UNLIKE the eShop on BOTH Wii U and N3DS
- The analog sticks on controllers DIDN'T DRIFT
😠 Seriously, I can go on, but there's a reason why I call myself or consider myself a "former Nintendo fan".
Like you said in this video, 'Nintendo Selects' seem to be just like Virtual Console. Something that was awesome... back in the day and something that Nintendo just doesn't want to bring back.
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I'm glad you brought that up, too. Fanboys for any platform or company are garbage, but I've seen and even talked with, by far the dumbest, most retarded, most braindead fanboys within the Nintendo community. Of course, I'm talking about the pricks that act like every single thing that Nintendo does is perfectly 100% okay and justified, JUST BECAUSE Nintendo officially did whatever it is that they did and its seriously pathetic.
- The legacy content on Switch is fine but still not really as good as Virtual Console
- I think Nintendo Switch online is ok. It’s not as horrible as most people make it out to be.
- The eshop is pretty decent. There’s a lot of garbage in there but it’s pretty hard to find without going out of your way
- Both The 3DS’ And Wii U’s analogs could drift sometimes.
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- The Wii U and 3DS joysticks almost never drifted and the Joy-Con joysticks drifts all the time
- Legacy content on Switch is hot garbage due to a lack of Virtual Console and because you need to pay extra money to have access to N64 games that won’t even run well.
-Switch online is bad because it makes people pay for something identical if not worse than on Wii U when it was free on that console.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 I agree and respect your opinion as a true Nintendo fan! In my opinion, I like the Nintendo online membership just the way it is. Also I have a job myself and I only have to pay every December and that's about it. The problem is when people say the Wii U is better than the switch they have their nostalgia goggles on and they need to take them off and realize that the Wii U was a fun console. Do not get me wrong but they will have to admit that it's marketing was a massive failure. But I myself still strongly agree with you on those points
@@M64bros yeah but what sucks about the online membership is you don’t own the games your just renting them and I think 50 dollars for n64 games that are laggy and you don’t get to keep is just bad in my opinion and also once they move on from switch which will be little while from now they’ll take those games off the switch Wii U marketing was horrible and the name was dumb but the Wii I has. Ore features them switch has better online has better home menu has real folders eshop is way better more organized and fun to go through has internet browser has more streaming apps last time I checked and when you buy a retro game you get to own its but that’s just my opinion switch isn’t a bad system it’s good for what it is
@@joshxstormlaw501 I understand. I love all the Nintendo consoles and I think the switch is still great along with the Wii U. I love the 3DS, the Wii, U and the switch all together
Why the Switch has been a Disappointing Console as a Wii U/3DS Owner? As I'm myself a owner of a Wii U and 3DS, I can approve that the Switch isn't so much great unlike the Wii U: Too much grab money game who are release every years since 6 years since they are very popular in Japan with too much Pokemon games, 5 Fire Emblem and 6 Kirby games, too much old Mario games from previous consoles port to the Switch instead be something new and good like Super Mario Odyssey, Luigi's Mansion 3 and Super Mario Bros Wonder so games like Super Mario 3D All-Star for Super Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy sold for 60 dollars despite they wasn't remastered on Switch with new models and better texure in game (something similar to Super Render96 for Super Mario 64) and are between 1996 and 2007, Super Mario 3D World, Luigi's Mansion 2 HD, New Super Mario Bros U, Captain Toad and others are useless because what the point to buy twice the same game at the same price if you have already it on the previous console? Illogical!
And since 6 years, from the side of the game who isn't too much know or popular in Japan, the Switch isn't able to release a new game or remaster about Star Fox and Kid Icarus, even if we have just 2 Metroid games we still don't have any news about Metroid Prime 4 anymore despite it's been 6 years they announced it so we don't know what they have really planned for this game like a side online gamemode for Vs or Co-op, Donkey Kong isn't able to have his own game exclusively on Switch who isn't a Tropical Freeze Wii U port or a GBA remake about Mario Vs Donkey Kong just like Mario Kart with the true fan who are very disappointed that Nintendo gonna just made a almost 10 years old ago Wii U Mario Kart game port on the Switch as the only new Mario Kart instead create a new one with a new mechanic like they did in previous Mario Kart: Wii for the bikes added, 3DS for glides in the airs, Wii U for defy the gravity and the Switch... Nothing except add more stuff in it but not really interesting for buy the game twice and for F-Zero we only get a F-Zero SNES Rom Hack on Switch with 99 players instead have something in 3D like a new game or remastered.
For concluate I don't think I gonna buy their next console after the Switch if the rumour about a Switch 2 or new console in 2024 are true and I'm so far to be the lonely one to not buy the next console after see most of people are disapoint about the Switch because, after all, what the point to create a more powerfull console than the previous one if Nintendo are too much lazy for work on their game if they gonna do same like the Switch if it's for always release the same garbage grab monney bullsh*t game like Pokemon, Fire Emblem and Kirby and a lot of useless port from previous consoles to their new console instead we see something new? It's pretty illogical to buy their next console if it's for get the same thing again for complain again about it again when we know the Switch do his job perfectly for do that.
Same
I think if they did a switch two they would need to make it a little more like the Wii U imo. Basically have an actual home console and then the gamepad except now you could take the gamepad anywhere with you like the switch. Or if they don’t want to go back to all that, at least add in some more features that the 3ds and gamepad had such as a microphone, stylus, and maybe even a camera. I think a stylus more than anything would benefit a next generation switch so much especially for a Mario Maker 3 because the franchise was literally made for Wii U and when the second came out on switch it just didn’t feel right
3ds and Wii U in my opinion were better for there Eshop it had charm personality and wasn’t disorganized and slow it was lot easier to find what type of game I was looking for on Wii U switches eshop is so slow and disorganized and boring oh and when we got new games for it it wasn’t a port of a old game from ps3 like switch 80 percent of switch games are ports I mean fine you want to port some games but most of its library is old games it would have been nice to see sequels to Wii games like red steel or conduit or just new original games exclusively to switch the switch could so much better
Most of the games you talked about at the 3 minute mark then ended up being duds.
yeah you're right. I think the only one of the bunch that was positively received was xenoblade 3. Maybe Sparks of hope but I've never heard anyone talk about. Bayonetta and Splatoon were such disappointments imo
@@WumbleWaspI’m fascinated by how Bayo 3 has been received, I know some of the criticisms, but for how long it’s development was, I don’t get how it ended up so lukewarm, as for Splatoon 3, gave it 30 hrs & haven’t felt the need to return , as the maps are so bland
With bayo, I think it's mostly the story being a mess, and the gameplay being brought down by the main mechanic of the game, the pacing and gimmicks.
And yeah I haven't heard many people complain about the maps in splatoon, but I completely agree. All the new ones are very homogenous, like they were made for competitive play or something? And some of the older ones were kinda butchered like the resort one and flounders heights. I haven't played all the newer ones yet, so maybe they're better.
@@WumbleWasp flounders heights was particularly awful, as was hammerhead bridge.
appreciate the reply on all of this.
Just got done watching your sonic ranking video in its entirety, it was glorious. Cant wait to see your coverage on sonic frontiers once it comes out
Wii U sure is better build than Switch! Iwata managed a great era, hey do you know that there's a new Wii U game by a solo dev called Pad of Time? its a 2.5 platformer with a cool time traveling mechanic, take a look it was released this month of April!
Nope. Switch is built better.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 I totally disagree with you:
- Interface: Wii U is more polished (visuals and sound)
- Ergonomic: Gamepads holds, more comfortable than Switch in portable mode
- Product Quality: Switch screen tend to be scrached with the dock
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@@marcomemes i agree with you too, the wii u just had a different feeling with it's community and ui, it looked so good and people would chat and just say "look at the level i've done at mario maker!" etc. Now switch is very simple and it feels soulles compared to wii u.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 Your opinion is irrelevant you no arguments.
@@robn2066 it’s. NiIce to know there’s someone on TH-cam who also loves the Wii U ui menu I think it’s one of the best game console menus ever it’s million times better then the switch menu
I guess it's a good thing that this video was uploaded before the Nintendo union thing last year because that was sad to see. It's a bit surprising how well this video held up. I mean sure there's super Mario wonder now. But like this video said. It doesn't really make up for 5 or 4 years of barely anything(before the pandemic btw). Also it's really sad to see how toxic the fandom has become and of course the union thing again & treating their customers like nothing during like 2020 to 2022.(never forget the eshop loss of two great systems) ☹. I mean sure this company hasn't totally perfect over the years. But during the wii/ds & wii u & 3ds days. It was a great time. People being hyped for smash bros in 2014, mario kart 8, splatoon the first new game franchise from Nintendo in years and the pro consumer stuff like virtual console, great 3ds third party support, games like monster hunter, lego games, minecraft, horror games, indie games etc were also on wii u. It was great & the best UI being the 3ds, the wii u has a great UI as well. Music everywhere in the menu, when you launched the game, music would play. Wii u famicom trial campaign the games were 30 cents each, club Nintendo. That's all i can think of for now. After seeing Nintendo become more corporate over the years and then the union stuff really just doesn't make me feel good about modern gaming anymore like it's not fun just profits nothing else. It's sad really. I mean since the union stuff it's not like people actually cared everyone still bought Nintendo games despite the whole thing. I mean i get it. It was during the shutdown of the wii u and 3ds eshop everyone panic bought and there was some good games that year as well. But how can people take others who criticize Nintendo or gaming companies in general if you buy the products anyway?(Edit: But i realized that yea i guess i shouldn't be that judgmental i mean we all make dumb mistakes or regret stuff we did in the past. I'm kinda guilty as well. Buying stupidly during the eshop closure and completely regretting it afterwards because of freaking fear of missing out crap.) But i mean it's fine if it's used or indie honestly. Indie developers are the best, triple a companies just aren't anymore unfortunately. It's sad really. 🙁 sorry for long rant/paragraph.
The switch was an expensive dust collector for me
This video talks to the heart of those few hardcore gamers left. The ones who actually owned the Wii U and sticked with it when everyone in the western media enjoyed bashing it because it didnt sell. The ones who played with it not because of the hype but because they enjoyed the charm and magic of its games, something missing in that generation of consoles. It was the best Nintendo since the N64 era, putting everything they had for delivering their best games. The ones who kept insulting the Wii U through the last 10 years will not even bother watching videos like this, because they get in the way of their fanboysm. Talking bad about the Switch, in this day and age, is considered a sin, because the console is selling even better than the Wii. Therefore must be the best console in Nintendo history.
"The Wii U had nothing to offer." Do Wii U haters realize that the some of the most popular Switch games are technically games from the Wii U? Hell, the most popular Switch game of all time, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, is a Wii U port, lol.
They know. They just defend that by saying oh it's a "new game" for people who haven't played it or it's worth it because it's on a more successful console.
Interesting video, WumbleWasp.
You touched on the Mario series. Would you say, as of 2023, the series has improved on Switch? Many proclaim it as the "best" time to be a Mario fan given the release of the movie, Super Mario Bros. Wonder, and the upcoming TTYD remake.
Me? I do like what Mario is doing nowadays and admit that his future is looking bright, but...I still kinda like the 3DS/Wii U years more. It felt like there was a higher output of games with fewer dry spells. Of course, the common complaint is that the games (particularly the RPGs) were too sterile...
I also miss the whimsical UI of the Wii U and 3DS. While the Wii U has longer load times, the atmosphere is relaxing, and I _love_ the bold colors. Nintendo 3DS gets points for having full-on themes and powerful games for a dedicated handheld.
As time goes on, more people will overlook the 3DS / Wii U era. I imagine that within the next five years, there may be a renewed appreciation, but for now, the Switch continues to dominate. I do like the Switch, but 3DS and Wii U hold a special place in my heart...
Prior to 2023, it was in a really rough spot. Start of last year a lot of people were getting pretty concerned about the lack of any upcoming games.
I do think that portion of the video is pretty outdated though now, post the mario movie. A lot great games kinda just came out of nowhere, the RPG side of the series is getting more attention, more experimental and new titles etc. Even the Mario Kart DLC improved a lot in quality.
I still have qualms about some things, notably the lack of a new full 3D game since Odyssey, but it's massively improved.
Fair enough.
Mario did get a deluge of great games revealed seemingly out of nowhere.
While I have yet to play Wonder, it looks like it will be within my top five mainline Marios. Likewise, TTYD looks hype and I love The Super Mario Bros. Movie.
It is funny to see what a big 180 has been done for the Mario series, but...I still don't magically hate the 3DS/Wii U years.
I feel the same way, they could’ve fixed this issue about the analog stick by using the analog stick from the 3Ds and they weren’t bad. Also I agree with this video because when I was with Wii U owners, it felt like a connection that we all had. Back then I had a friend that had a Wii U and it was awesome to know someone that had the same console as me. Yeah the Nintendo switch has recently not gotten my attention and their hella expensive for switch games $60 is a lot for games and even then when the Wii U was out as well for the 3Ds games were like $20 and I have NOT seen a Nintendo selects for the switch overall the switch lacks a lot of similarity for those that have played previous consoles which loses the magic
They couldn't for the simple fact that is doesn't click down.
I’ve never understood those people who try and look at the games that have since been ported to switch with such venom, like saying to people that they shouldn’t be playing on Wii U but rather on the switch. People are asking in the retro scene these days about the great titles on the Wii U namely because they want new things to play on their Wii U systems. If you throw your Wii U in the trash because you can finally play those ports on switch, well…then it almost sounds like that persona didn’t like the Wii U so much as they put up with it until something better comes along. Or they will say because it’s the newer console and so they should buy that instead, to which I say the Wii U was once new once upon a time, and those people were saying the Wii U was great. Something new will always come along and the companies will always try and sell you on those systems, and remove features from devices to make you switch, so just play whatever the hell you want to play and leave people alone. :0
I shared your opinions on the Switch... until I really played one and eventually bought one.
I was and I still am a big fan of the 3DS. I think the Wii U is very cool, but never got the opportunity to own one when it was out. I really do wish I could have experienced the Wii U in its hay-day because it was such a wonderfully unique and social experience in a way that I will never get to experience. The 3DS, on the otherhand, is my favorite handheld console of all time and I have played it for thousands of hours over the years. The library of that system is possibly the best Nintendo has ever offered considering quantity and quality; this coming even from a raving Gamecube fan.
Early this year I bought a Switch Lite. I actually used to dunk on modern Nintendo. They couldn't do anything right in my eyes. I had not ever owned a Switch, but I had played it a decent amount over the past couple years with friends and family. After having those experiences playing games like Kirby and the Forgotten Lands, Mario Kart 8, and other games, my opinions began to change. After building up my legacy Nintendo collection and feeling mostly satisfied with what I had acquired, I decided to take the plunge on the Switch Lite. Personally, I love it. I adore handheld gaming above all else, so having a Switch Lite to pair with my 3DS is wonderful. I don't think I would ever choose the Switch as an only console (that prize would probably go to the 3DS or GameCube [or even Wii, since it can play GameCube games]), but paired with a diverse collection of consoles and games, the Switch is a prized entry in my collection. It has a lot of great games and being able to play them portably, quickly, and conveniently, just like my 3DS, is wonderful. As for the durability of the Switch, I can understand that with the hybrid systems, but the Switch Lite feels pretty stable. Sure, I wouldn't sit on it, but I'd rather not sit on my 3DS either. And don't get me started on the failure of the R button on the DS and 3DS models. I've owned 4 DS systems (DS Lite, DSi, 3DS, 3DS) over the years and only one did not have an R button that failed. Instead the right-side of the d-pad became less responsive over time on my DS Lite. Thankfully for my current 3DS, I was able to replace the R button. And if the sticks on my Switch Lite every drift, I'll replace those just like I did with my R button on my 3DS.
So all that to say: I love the 3DS/Wii U era. I disagree with many of your points, but I agree that the 3DS and Wii U era was better than the Switch. The 3DS alone is better than the Switch. But I love my Switch. And the Switch and 3DS paired together make a Nintendo handheld dream team.
Have you tried modding your 3DS yet?
I watched your video a while ago and there were a couple things I did want to say. And this will be what I may be repeating in what I shared in another video from another channel.
First, I don't think you are the only one in sharing your disappointment with Switch as much as it may be hard to share about it and that's pretty well supported by the facts you shared.
I think what's probably happening more often are several are probably starting to realize and see more on what looks to be what I say to be the vulnerable identity of Switch in what it perhaps was fated to be in the first place.
And that would be that it wasn't intended to be the successor to Wii U or even 3DS. It instead looked to be what is thought of as a back up plan to get out of the financial woes of Wii U and at best, a prototype of what a successor to Wii U and 3DS would like. And also that it looked like it was intended to be an extension to Wii U's generation rather than a proper successor.
This is evident in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Switch's top selling game, and how several of the rereleases or asset flips including Mario Kart 8 Deluxe were promoted for Switch in the same way generation defining games would and would indicate that they were intending on those sort of rereleases or asset flips to be positioned as though they are those generation defining games for Switch.
And this is even evident with Nintendo's lack of first party involvement for Switch generally year after year after 2017 with the exception of 2022 in some cases. And it shows that they are probably saving more of their effort for next generation and what I would say is what likely is the true successor to Wii U and 3DS.
And this is also perhaps evident in there being a game on Switch that may not surpass Xenoblade Chronicles X on Wii U in its technical feats all across the board.
I don't know what the future holds.
But I would say that their next generation will be their most important.
Will paste a rant I made a few moments ago about the Switch and current state of Nintendo.
Splatoon and Splatoon 2 are very similar and the 2 could've been done on the WII U.
Smash 4 and 5 looks the same mostly.
BOTW is a port of a WII U game.
Smash Ultimate is locked for me behind the paywall that yall accepted. Making 4 the best smash ever to me, consumer friendly and very fun actually.
Smash 5 is filled of DLC characters and stuff like that. You dont mention this enough. I grew up with finished games, not with patches put behind a paywall.
The WII U online was better than the Switch's online.
Yall accepted that and now you'll have to deal with this crap forever until you make it stop.
The switch is exponentially more fragile than the WII U.
Gets scratched if you dock it without a protection for the screen.
The joycons drift, infamous but disregarded by the "fans".
There is sheer incompetence and bad design. I couldn't play with my Switch until I putted a screen protector via a profesionnal.
How is this acceptable on the V2 model supposed to be a definitve take on the Switch's hardware ?
Yall, neglecting these facts, are the main problem and Nintendo is happy you do.
The joycon drift is a major issue.
The unprotected, very fragile screen is an issue.
The price of their game never going down is an issue. The disregard toward the WII U owner, reselling WII U games at an even higher price tag than back in the days.
The online paywall.
The DLC infestation.
The miserable ports of 3rd parties making it irrelevant.
The low-end hardware that's struggling a lot, and Nintendo unwilling to take risks, unwilling to make a new console or to prepare for the next generation...
No more handheld with cheaper games.
The Switch light, being rendered useless if it gets the drift, and they all will get it at some point ...
How can you protect Nintendo for that ?
They even make unfinished games ! Scarlet and Violet are a shame for the market ! Unfinished and buggy as hell.
You'll just accept that ?
Pokemon, the biggest franchise, crunching their devTeam to the point they cannot fix a game before selling it ? With the game, looking like a NGC/WII game sometimes ?
Really ?
I'm done with you people...
I liked this video, and honestly, i share the same opnion, the 3ds era was way better than the switch, and i think the 3ds was even a better console, and the wii u have more games, and more original games, the switch is really lacking originality. although you said you don't plan to make a third video about this topic, i hope and wish you do, like, when the next nintendo console release, to make a restropective of the switch era, and have a more complete video with all of the switch era vs the wii u/3ds era, and this probably will not take too long, because the next nintendo console is probably going to be release in late 2023 or early 2024.
The main issue with the switch is that if you have a wii u and a wii half the games are really pointless because most of the good games I care about I already own and 60 dollars is not worth the tiny additions they add to the wii u ports. The only exception would be mario kart 8 deluxe and that is only because of the new dlc that they added way after 8 delexue came out.
At this point honestly they could dig up Mr iwata and his corpse could do a better job at running the company than whoever is doing it now 😔
I think mr iwata did a better job seemed like there really wasn’t any issues with any product they made and I liked how he would be in the directs and was fun entertaining to watch I wished he was still here but unfortunately it was his time
Using his death as an excuse won't make a difference
@@M64bros Excuse for what?
@@makaronishenouda6413 Pretending that everything was beautiful and pretty when he was around during that era
@@makaronishenouda6413 last year ago people were weaponizing Iwata's death and it really got on a ton of casual nintendo fans nerves, however after the Mario movie credits and other smart Nintendo fans telling people the truth it seems that they are no longer doing it anymore thankfully.
"Zero Mario Kart games on Switch"
MK Live Circuit: Am I a joke to you???
From the very depths of my soul; someone who has owned every nintendo home and handheld since the GBA(SP) and Gamecube: Thank you.
Just
thank you.
I think the switch just never excited me aside from its reveal, Smash bros, and Mario Party Superstars. Mario Maker 2 was honestly a big disappointment not because the game itself isn't bad cause its technically better but not having gamepad controls was a such a downgrade. Was never a big fan of joycons, they're small and break easily while the switch os albeit a lot faster has lost all of its charm that prior system os' had. Doesn't help that to be able to have online access you have pay for it even though Switch online is still garbage.
I totally agree with this opinion because the way you had an addition to having in my opinion more AAA games it also had several eShop games in fact I would say double the virtual console content to that of the switches online subscribe service has to offer and not to mention it also has backwards compatibility and like another certain Nintendo console I know.
Yeah, I played my Wii U more than my Switch for the first 2 years it was out and then my 3DS for the the 2019-2020 time period. It wasn't really until Bowser's Fury in the 3D World Remaster that I started playing my Switch more for anything other than indies. I won't lie, it's been a kinda insane indie box. But now even indies demand more than the Switch can handle, so I got my first Xbox with the Series X for those and to play some of the 360 and One era exclusives that aren't on PC. I CONSIDERED A PS5, but I hated my PS4 and found it to have no games that interested me for so many years that it just became a Blu ray box for me to the point where, even when it did finally get some games, I just wasn't interested in holding that controller.
On a related note. Am I the only one who liked the Wii U having high sticks on both sides? I always feel lopsided holding the Xbox/GameCube controller layout and I hate how close the sticks are on PS. No other console ever did double high sticks other than the Wii U and Switch completely abandoned that to copy the Xbox standard. I think they do it better than Xbox with the Switch. I feel like the current Xbox controllers are too slanted and my hands always slide up them (the grip on the elites alleviates this, but who wants to be requires to get a $150+ controller for a comfortable gaming session). But the D-pads on Switch controllers SUCK! It feels like Nintendo has cheaper out more than ever on their hardware, and the quality is so much worse than ever before, but they charge more than ever by a long shot. How do we still not have Nintendo Selects? How was a Wii U pro controller, with 50 hours of per charge battery life, $20 less than a Wii U pro controller and all around better aside from lacking the NFC and USB-C for charging? I hate cheapskate Nintendo and they really have been super anti-consumer this generation in this regard. At least they're finally not region locking their games anymore and they've cut back on the censorship, but they also have been doing a much worse job localizing their games. I mean, none have been as bad as triforce heroes on 3DS, they did start going downhill in that regard back around 2015, pre-Switch, but it's just mediocre these days and it feels like it's getting worse again
Honestly, I feel like the Switch era isn't going to be as impressive looking back at it from the distant future; at best, it might be a mix bag. On the one hand, sure, the Switch is a very well communicated and successful console that's done wonders financially for Nintendo, especially compared to the Wii U/3DS era. Not to mention, it does have a solid lineup of raw exclusives, such as Mario Wonder and Smash Ultimate. But when you step out of the vacuum, there is a lot to criticize. The Switch library isn't really the most innovative one out there; it says a lot that a decent chunk of the Switch library are either remakes or ports of games from other consoles (most famously, Wii U ports). If you take those types of games out, the library, while solid, likely wouldn't be as revered as it is already. Not to mention, this is the era where Nintendo really started to piss off their core fanbase a lot. Not that they weren't a scummy business before the Switch era, but paying for a shitty online service (when it was free in previous consoles) and not giving proper access to retro games (like they did with the Virtual Console) really dragged their overall reputation down a lot.
So, financially speaking, its one of the best periods. But critically speaking, it's okay, at best (with the aspect that has the best critical response being the raw exclusives).
Just bought Wii U and splatoon why because I feel switch isn’t as good as Wii U i know I know very unpopular opinion
The Wii U has much more charm and personality than the Switch and I will stand by that.
@@DjCrispyFingers It's just true. Nintendo absolutely came to the wrong (and conveniently lazier) conclusions after the Wii U failed. The Wii U had gorgeous menus and musical themes full of character. But because the console failed (due to Nintendo being idiots) they thought "alright, let's stick to a minimalistic design then, people didn't like the old menus or something" and so here we are. It was just too convenient and tempting for them to go the lazy route in regards to the UI design.
@@BenniRoR The Wii U didn’t fail because Nintendo were idiots. I mean, that was one of the reasons but the main reason was mostly because it’s execution was extremely flawed despite having a good idea.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 Yeah. So Nintendo were idiots about it. Good idea, bad execution and marketing.
@@DjCrispyFingers I feel the same too
I deleted this before. But this video holds up well considering that Nintendo is charging 70 dollars for games now and that they added game boy games to the switch that you can't keep so it's not looking good. This is still good months later.
Switch 126 million sold
Wii u: 16 million
As a Wii U owner of my own I actually agree with you, the Wii U itself did have good memories but it's not better than the switch.
I'm not nostalgia blind
Regardless, I still play on the Wii U sometimes but I play on the Switch a lot more.
On the bright side though, I'm just glad Nintendo's finally improving this year and releasing a bunch of swag that I'm really looking forward to
@@M64bros the new Nintendo direct proves mario has a lot of love. TH-camrs are impatient
@@angelvillegas9604 Thankfully I'm always patient and I respect the developers manners
I think one phrase is a sentiment to me that really gets to me. Sure we have Mario Odyssey and Browser's Fury (trol) but there will never be another Super Mario Galaxy. I liked 3D Land but I didn't buy a Wii U and I feel like a lot of Nintendo's new Mario Games are getting this really weird artstyle and honestly, it's hard to tell what it even means for a Mario Game to even be a Mario Game anymore, especially when you consider that the last few games have been mostly spinoffs and not main original titles like Super Mario Odyssey. I've never played Bowser's Fury because I never bought a switch. I bought a Steam Deck instead, and I don't regret it, because I don't have to pay a subscription to play games online or for poor network quality and limited poor emulation (trol again). But just looking at Bowser's Fury, the artstyle just seems wrong to me. If I played Odyssey maybe I would have liked it but again I'm not paying so much for a console that doesn't have main menu music, doesn't have miiverse, doesn't even have an internet browser, doesn't have streetpass, doesn't have a mii maker, has very little fanfare (you've probably seen the wii sports vs nintendo switch sports videos) and, lastly, a console that charges you to play games online with very poor quality that you can play on a pc or on a steam deck with good quality and no subscription you've been trolled 🚎
Also not paying for joycon drift nintendies fan trolled once more
I feel like Miyamoto is the reason why the switch hasn’t gotten a new 3D mario game because since like 2018 he hasn’t been involved with Nintendo instead he’s been too focused on making a Mario movie and theme parks. But once the movie releases he better get back to working with Nintendo.
Miyamoto hasn't been that involved with nintendo as a creative for well over a decade now. He's really only had producer rolls, the only exception being Star Fox Zero where he was more hands on.
I can't even tell if he had any involvement with odyssey at all.
@@WumbleWasp well based on what I saw on the internet it seems that Miyamoto wasn’t that much involved with Odyssey. That’s why the game didn’t quite meet up some people’s expectations. If he was more involved with Odyssey it would’ve been a lot better. Do you like that Miyamoto wasn’t involved with Nintendo for a decade? Just curious. Some people think that Iwata dying has caused Nintendo to be anti-consumer and maybe if he didn’t die he would’ve cared so much about their fans even during the switch era.
Rewatched the output of games timeline section where it shows the timeline and it's a good list, but why not mention the wii u and 3ds eshop games? Like indie games and Nintendo's smaller games on it? I understand that you can't mention every single game cas that'll be too long but i mean those games do increase the quantity of games. But i guess now that i think about it. If you did that you would've had to list every single switch eshop as well or at least some of them... but anyway i just thought of that and wanted to Mention it. Sorry for commenting so much.
Yeah I just went with retail games. Tbf, it can be harder to draw the line at digital anyway considering some games that have been published by Nintendo aren't really Nintendo games like with the Stretchers. And also personal bias because I'm not huge on those types of games anyway lol
@@WumbleWasp true
Has your opinion on the Switch changed with the 2023 output so far, especially with TOTK now being out?
It's kinda a loaded question because even if this year was the best year of all time from Nintendo, it wouldn't change the first 4 and change that these videos are covering. That 4ish year period being identical to the length of the Wii U's lifespan.
That said, ironically Totk still suffers from this same point that I bring up about lack of innovation/evolution in game franchises compared to their repsective Wii U/3DS versions, and 'half-sequels' hahaha... even if the game is good.
2023 has been overall good though, looking forward to Pikmin 4.
@WumbleWasp we have droughts literally all the time, they are not special to Switch, if anything, droughts were far worse in the past, specifically the N64 and Gamecube era were awful when it comes to droughts. At least with Switch, 2020 was due to a pandemic and 2018 was due to following up arguably their greatest year of all time in 2017. They weren't going to have a super packed year and follow it up with another packed year. I'd say all considering, the game output is insanely good, especially if you play stuff other than Nintendo, it's always been that way.
@@WumbleWasp ^
@@rogertaylor5538 I don't really know what you want me to say tbh. Besides the point that these videos are only about Nintendo, not third parties.
Agree to disagree? I don't really think the droughts were worse when covid didn't exist and Nintendo had multiple platforms to release games on, plus the whole cost of game development rising industry wide in recent years.
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Are there any other Mario spin offs during the 3ds/Wii U era you could compare to the switch versions other than World tour?
I agree again
I completely agree about NSO. It's an overpriced digital renting service. No thanks.
I'm satisfied with the Switch original games. It's got a great lineup. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, Splatoon 2 and 3, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 and 3, Metroid Dread, Kirby and the Forgotten Land, Mario Party Superstars, Super Mario Maker 2, Fire Emblem Three Houses, Pokémon Legends Arceus, Luigi's Mansion 3, among others.
I loved my Wii U as well. So many hours playing Super Mario Maker and Splatoon. I also loved DKC Tropical Freeze. Plus, I miss Miiverse. The few games it had were amazing. But it's hard for it to measure up to the Switch.
Wii U and 3DS have more original games though
@@dark-gaming--8232 but less third party games it can't all just be Mario and Zelda all the time
@@M64bros Third-party games don't matter in the context of Nintendo consoles because they're almost always going to be watered down versions of games available on other platforms. People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games.
@@makaronishenouda6413 Yeah but some people like other games besides Mario and Zelda, I don't care if the graphics look good or bad I just care about the gameplay.
Not just me but other people mentioned it as well
What does the fence mean at 14:07?
on the fence
@@WumbleWasp Are there any changes you would make or add to that table? Or even the system seller & Games I enjoyed table?
@@KoalaSpace360 This video's only a few months old, so not much has changed. Funnily enough of the few games that released, it was Splatoon and Xenoblade anyway which just further proves that table. I'd probably bump up FE with that warriors game and Engage though.
I haven't gotten around to playing Bayo 3 yet though, so that may be good.
@@WumbleWaspWhy are you on the fence about Pokémon and Kirby? 🤔
@@KoalaSpace360 star allies was pretty bad, and gen 8 is probably the worst modern pokemon gen.
The reason I'm mixed is because of the games that came out this year.. Though I still don't care for legends arceus.
Nintendo really hasn't made a great console since the SNES/Super Famicom. The N64 was pretty good, but severely limited by that cartridge. The Gamecube was probably the last good console that company ever made. Switch is garbage.
Half agree. Their handhelds have always been top notch. I do think they fell off during the Wii, and honestly haven't fully recovered back to gamecube quality to this day. But the Switch is closer than ever, so I have some hope for the next console.
That said, I don't think the SNES has a great 1st party library. It's heavily carried by 3rd parties imo
@@WumbleWasp What do you mean by fell off during the wii?
It's sad that probably the main reason the eshop is closing down is because of switch online. Like Nintendo made a FAQ saying that they plan to not offer any classic content in any other way than switch online. Luckily people screen shot it and kotaku has it saved. Rip Nintendo's pro consumer attitude to it's fans. Now it's just pure greed and malice towards the consumers unfortunately. Sorry for commenting so much again or being harsh... =(
Nintendo was never pro consumer during the 3DS and the Wii U era, They also had DMCA strikes as well.
I'm not nostalgia blind
@@M64bros dude they were very pro consumer during that era in terms of not being hostile to the consumer. I mean technically they were more pro consumer during the wii/ds era than the wii u and 3ds era. But we had virtual console and buy one get one for free stuff. Good games like smash bros, kirby, pikmin, zelda(mostly 3ds) and Nintendo selects where the games were discounted and now 20 bucks. Club Nintendo were you could use points and get free games and merchandise which points were used to get and free shipping. My Nintendo has zero free shipping. All those great things. But of course they made some dumb decisions as well like discontinuing the wii and ds and removing their online play, the dumb creators program and obviously the dmca bs and takedowns of fan games. And i guess you didn't take my advice about what i said last time. I almost forgot about the smash bros controversy which was bad in 2013 which thankfully they backed down. But still bad and in 2020 they did it again but somehow worse. And switch online is the most anti consumer they've been in years btw. Paying 50 bucks or 20 bucks per year or month for renting games is unacceptable.
@@crystalbry4741 Do you realize PlayStation and Xbox Also do paid online as well, Also It seems that you didn't even take my advice truthfully as well and yes Nintendo was still the same during the 3DS and the Wii U era.
Also the Super Smash Bros community got what it deserved anyway after what they've done behind the scenes.
The Wii and NDS era are better because luckily they sold well to the public and the same is going with the switch because Doug and the new CEO know how to handle marketing on the switch, the IPs iwata and Reggie would do the exact same thing from earlier, Not trying to say they were terrible presidents and I still have heart for them but I wish they did better. But blaming iwata's death and pretending everything was beautiful and pretty back then isn't going to make the situation better.
If you want a real honest TH-camr that can tell you the truth and everything without jumping, straight to conclusions and believing misinformation getting spread across the internet and everything you want to know, I'm your guy.
*TH-cam needs an honest TH-camr that can tell people the truth, I'm the only one who can do it, No one else can do it.*
@@crystalbry4741 lastly, the people that worked alongside with iwata and Reggie still work for Nintendo. Shigeru Miyamoto, Sakurai, Eiji Aonuma and Takashi Tezuka.
Nintendo still has that creative soul in them, Even iwata told Sakurai to make Super Smash Bros Ultimate before he died, Which means there is evidence that he was part of the switch online paid membership, along with Reggie.
Thanks to Nintendo switch online developers are able to use that money to develop high budget games including Super Mario Bros. Wonder and breath of the wild that cost over $120,000,000.
Lastly, Nintendo did refuse to not do smartphones but they did it anyway while Reggie was still around as well.
Every era has its flaws but one's not better than the other and from my point of view it's all the same
@@M64bros yes i know that all consoles do paid online crap and i hate all of them. Especially xbox because they started it. Like i said before not everyone in the smash bros community is bad. Most players just wanna enjoy melee without being attacked by Nintendo. Like i said compared to the wii/ds era and wii u and 3ds era, the switch era is nowhere near as pro consumer as the wii/ds and wii u and 3ds. I already said why and you just ignored it. No free shipping, barely anything free. Barely any discounts which is baffling considering inflation you'd think that they'd be more pro consumer but nope they charge for online, no price drop on main console, vouchers you have to pay 100 dollars for etc. I didn't even mention iwata or his death once why do you always say that? Honest TH-camr? It doesn't seem like it. It almost sounds like you're still defending Nintendo's current actions over and over again. When they're worse than before and treat their fans and contractors like trash. But it's not surprising considering that doug bowser is from EA the worst gaming company ever so of course it was bound to happen.
I agree sometimes but iiiiiidk…
NSO is a massive disappointment. I wouldn't subscribe if it weren't for the cloud saves and $20 a year is stupid cheap.
8 MONTHS LATE SQUAD WHERE YOU AT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I want to see where your coming from i just cant. You say mario maker 2 and super smash bros ultimate are just the wii u games but more and completely ingore the new mecahnics in each game. Also they are more great switch games then your giving credit i would have prefered if you had just said i was interested in these but these games are also great i just dont care for them. I am just conflicted on your opinion i dont agree but i also dont dissagree im in the middle
Yeah, it's not really about me thinking they're bad games or anything, but moreso just thinking they're underwhelming sequels imo. It's great for people who didn't own a wii u though.
Same here
Super mario wonder: 😂
Bro this was uploaded a year ago. Cut him some slack
@@matthewjuasemai3257 irrelevant as it was always going to happen
@@angelvillegas9604 yea but it took them 6 years of the console age, you must have really good patience to still believe it was coming out
Btw no hate towards the game I’m really excited for it too
@@matthewjuasemai3257 and? Other games were released in between. :p
Here’s what I’m going to say. This video is completely correct. And I agree with it entirely. The 3ds and Wii U are the best systems Nintendo ever made. Most games are lazy sequels or remasters. The collections are just bad. Games are just not great on the switch. The best switch game in my opinion is Kirby and the forgotten land. I trust Hal more then Nintendo themselves. Hal made so much good Kirby games this year it’s insane. Mario odyssey is overrated. It’s to repetitive for me even tho the movement is good. But here’s what really made me hate this era. Nintendos anti consumerism has skyrocketed to a level I never thought would happen. Not only does Nintendo hate fangames but they literally made Mario 35 based off one. They destroy fan games. Aswell as emulation. This has always been the case but still. Also I won’t forget #FREEMELEE. People brush it off as it’s in the past but for me it’s the point where Nintendo took a turn for the worst. The switch just also doesn’t feel very Nintendo. None of the catchy music or menus that was all loved scrolling through. There’s no themes, extra software besides games, miiverse replacement, streetpass, AR cards, badge arcade and more. The mii maker is literally in the settings. The SETTINGS. The eshop is a mess. The online service there offering is just shit. There anti consumerism is insane, there hardware is now bad which was never the case before. Some games are lazy and unfinished. I know this comment is bad but I just wanted to say this.
You are just listening to a bunch of 35-year-old neckbeards that cry over a 21-year-old game and have a lot of terrible actions in that community. I already exposed that community and l'm proud of it. Also, I'm starting to think that this isn't Nintendo Whơ's the bad guy anymore? It's actually its community. Weaponizing lwata's death, harassing and attacking innocent casual gamers and blindly pretending everything was beautiful and pretty when both lwata and Reggie were still around. can easily make a video message directly for you proving that not everything was beautiful and pretty when they were still around. have a bunch of truth videos that are going to be launching this year so you better be prepared for some real evidence rather than misinformation from a bunch of 35-year-old neck beards, complainers and people that harass casual gamers for playing games they don't like.
l'm going to say this and it's the truth. The Nintendo switch is actually better than the 3DS and the Wii U. I'm really sorry but it's true. Not everyone around the world can actually afford a Wii back then and there's a good reason why Nintendo is porting those Wii U games to the switch. There are games out there that those people really wanted to try back then but were unable to because they didn't have a Wii U.
@@M64bros the cummunity is at fault. And too an extent so are you. You simping for the company is one of the reasons the switch is so bad. They’ve finnaly released that they can make terrible products but people will eat there shit because it’s Nintendo. And that’s basically what there saying. The switch is the best console and wavier of the universe and we should all treat Nintendo like gods and if we don’t buy there games they will go homeless.
@@b8conbear330 Dude, you clearly don't even know how to spell anything accurately do you? You've been listening to a bunch of clickbait stuff on the internet. It's kind of embarrassing this is coming from a dude that does Roblox videos 24/7 and doesn't even know the actual truth of its toxic community. The reason why a lot of people agree with me is because unlike Harman Smith I don't treat Nintendo as a god or say they're better than anything else, have real accurate information rather than misinformation from a bunch of complainers that attack and harass innocent people for liking games they don't like, weaponizing Iwata's death against casual gamers and Nintendo, sending Sakurai death threats over DLC for Smash Bros, along with a bunch of 35-year-old neck beards that cry over a 21-year-old game and already been exposed to the public after what the panda CEO has done. I know all this because I read accurate rear information and I know a lot more truths and evidence rather than the clickbaiters that spread misinformation.
@@b8conbear330 Also, they'll still be people buying their games and supporting them, but those types of people are actually casual gamers that don't go on the internet and cry 24/7 just like you over smash tournaments that deserved to be shut down after being exposed.
Real fact: Both Doug Bowser and Shuntaro Furukawa Never made the decision to make the paid online membership, It was planned long before they even became presidents. Which means Reggie himself was affiliated with that decision and while lwata was hospitalized and told Sakurai to make Super Smash Bros Ultimate before he died. honestly don't mind paying 20 bucks every December considering the fact that I have a job. As a Wii U owner Since got the Wii U when it was released, it was a good console but it was never perfect. I'm sorry but it's true, Not everyone was able to find one back then and during that era not everything was beautiful and pretty when both lwata and Reggie Were still around. DMCA strikes of their own, the Wii U failure, horrible marketing, terrible advertisements, lack of third party games for the Wii Mario tennis ultra smash and Star Fox zero. still play on my Wii U still to this day but to be honest that era had some good memories but it's still a terrible era.
Don't just pretend everything was beautiful and pretty when both lwata and Reggie were still around. They had DMCA strikes of their own, horrible Wii U marketing, terrible advertisements, lack of third party games for the Wii U, Wi games based on 3DS games, Mario tennis ultra smash, metroid prime federation force, Not everyone was able to find a Wii U back then and Star Fox zero. As a Wii owner of my own that era was never perfect even though it had good memories, I'm really sorry but it's true.
I never said that the Wii u was a flawless console, and I would probably give the edge to the Switch overall. That said, I disagree with some things you say.
The pay wall for online is anti consumer, I don't think it's worth defending even if it's relatively 'cheap'.
Nintendo hasn't changed much in regards to DMCA strikes.
3rd party support is pretty awful on the Switch (for AAA games), even if it's better than previously.
I don't see how marketing/ads matter too much to fans, although I'd honestly say I prefer older ad campaigns for games back then compared to now. (e.g. Botw compared to Totk).
In terms of bad games, you could always just not play them you know? Rather than fixating on bad games, I think it's better to look at good ones, and I really do think that there was a higher density of good games that releaed prior to the Switch from Nintendo.
And I'm sure 90% of the people that were working with Nintendo during the Wii U days are still around, or were still around when the Switch launched anyway.
@@WumbleWasp Did you have a few good points, by the end of the day I will always love Nintendo's developers and employees, but I will always despise its DMCA legal team.
(Apologies if the reply was too long from earlier)
I actually like the Switch.
Same here! Even as a Wii U owner of my own It's better than the Wii U
Wow, what a hot take!
@@makaronishenouda6413 That's basically the truth that some hardcore Wii U fanboys can't admit.
As a Wii U owner of my own I like the switch better.
but I have a switch can I get a wii u?
If you wanted to. Wouldn't recommend it though
3d world, pikmin 3, DK tropical freeze, hyrule warriors (Wii u and 3DS versions combined) and Mario kart 8 were ported to the switch. So wouldn’t the switch have more system sellers than the Wii U? also pokken tournament and bayonetta 2 were also ported to switch. 😅
Also super Mario bros wonder is being released.
No because I already owned them on Wii U. They are ports not new games.
@@WumbleWasp ohhh ok. Just asking.
@@WumbleWasp but they are perfect for New Gen fans and for fans that were unable to get a Wii U during the Wii U era
@@M64bros yes definitely 👍
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I think the you underestimate the time it takes to make ports and the difficulty it takes to mass produce high performance games on a mobile device. Like yes there are a lot of ports but the only reason why there is so many is because people will buy them and they don;t want to cannibalize their own sale. If a lot of people bought Mariokart 8 on the WiiUthen they would have made a new mariokart but they did not need to and I am happy I have the option to play it since I did not get a WiiU. Yes Nintendo abandoned their fans who were with them through their toughest times but that is what let the switch become so popular.
Having played Breath of the Wild anywhere on a device in 2017 that cost $300 would have been unthinkable at that time. The ability to play handhelp what used to be something you had to play on the TV is amazing. I get the price is annoying but you can get deals if you monitor prices you can get deals fairly regularly.
Ok, so I don't think I got like a single comment about ports the entire time this video has been up and now this is the second I've gotten in the span of a couple days. Weird right?
Ports don't take much time to develop relatively speaking, and trying to insist otherwise is just misguided. Even if they had to be redone from the ground up, or transferred into a new engine or whatever, it still wouldn't require anywhere near as many staff or resources to develop as a brand new game of a similar scale from scratch. The number of staff involved in these types of projects are always heavily downscaled, and less involved as it only requires the technical staff. Outside scraps of new content, creatives have sweet fa to do with these projects, which includes directors, writers game/level designers, artists, animators, modellers, musicians, sound deisngers etc. It's not like when Nintendo commissions some wii u port these people are just sitting their twiddling their thumbs.
And it's not like what I'm saying is fiction that I'm making up on the spot. These Nintendo ports are typically done by their support teams or if not, are outsourced to their other susidiaries or partners. Their core teams don't work on ports beyond supervision at most. They're usually done by 1-up studios, Nintendo Software Technology, or outsourced to say Tantalus games or Grezzo, or etc etc.
Anyway, I respect your experience with the switch and all that, but it doesn't really address anything I say in this video. This video is coming from the perspective of a Wii U owner, and as one of those rare specimens, Wii U ports don't mean anything to me. I'm completely indifferent about them, besides their pricing at least.
@@WumbleWasp I agree with that ports do not nearly take as much time to make as the original game but I get where you are coming from.
The other thing that I wanted to mention is that the switch got most of these game and ports, and .5 improvements withing the first year to year and half of the system being launched which is why people say it has a much better line up.
As a WiiU owner I see how you felt like yu were left out to dry but that is the reason why the switch was so successful in my opinion. They were able to get a device that could mostly play last gen game mobily and then had a ton of games ready to go near launch. Without that I don't think the switch would have been nearly as successful. If you are someone who mostly plays on the TV you have every right and reason to be upset at the way Nintendo is going right now and what they did. Nintendo completely catered to new customers instead of their hardcores which I get is hard but they had to do what is best for the company.
i also came from your older video and in my opinion this title is better. The switch has an overall better lineup if you came from the wii or ps3/4 but if you came from the wiiU I completely get why you are disappointed
@@Melchirobin But idk i think ironically enough that's the problem. It's just that Nintendo focusing on their new customers instead of their old customers that have supported the company for years or decades will lead to not great thing's in the long term especially considering that they're treating their older fans like trash if the Nintendo 3ds and wii u eshop closure is another to go by. Games are now 70 dollars instead of 60, not much first party games as before, no Nintendo selects, no virtual console etc. But also this might lead to wii u situation again this time instead of bad marketing. It'll be their horrible business practices that'll hurt their sales the most. Well if that ever happens i doubt it but who knows screw over people enough and they'll get upset maybe idk.
Guys watch out he prasing the wii u for having wii super mario bros bland games stay alert.
New not wii
I definitely agree with almost everything you said. I could say all the good and bad things I think about the Switch and conclude that the 3DS and Wii U were better (which is true, even if I never got there own a Wii U). But to say that most of the things I hate the switch for are unfinished games and joy con drift I think is more than enough. However, I am here to talk about what I did not like about your opinion since I honestly feel that you were very ignorant in what was the quality of the games section.
First I will start by saying that it was very bad and ignorant on your part that you said that one of the bad things that Smash Ultimate has is that it is a glorified smash 4 or it is a Smash 4.5 when it really is not like that, Smash Ultimate visually is similar to Smash 4 but in gameplay it's not Smash 4 I say this because you praised New Super Mario Bros U when it's just glorified New Super Mario Bros Wii or New Super Mario Bros Wii.5 there is not much difference between the two games. (I do not include New Super Luigi since that is a separate game and this one does manage to differentiate itself from New Wii and New U), which annoys me since you simply complained in the slightest, Smash Ultimate has many, MANY more problems and worse than just that, The same applies to your complaint with Maker 2, it has a lot of problems, more serious problems than just look like maker 1 (even if I don't like maker 2 I'm surprised what did you say that then if it manages to make a big difference by having things that maker 1 didn't have, like a story mode, world creator, multiplayer [although this one already comes with self-explanatory problems.] etc.)
The second thing I wanted to talk about is the case of the New Mario 2D series, in my opinion I think that having a new installment (instead of a Deluxe version of New U) was practically impossible from 2017 to the present, this is because Mario Maker came to completely replace it (Both original and sequel) It is very obvious that many fans and probably Nintendo itself think that because Mario Maker (especially Maker 2) already gives you the freedom to create both levels and worlds. Why would it be necessary to make a new installment of the New Super Mario Bros? if Super Mario Maker is already absolutely superior in everything?, don't get me wrong, I would be fascinated to see a New Super Mario Bros Switch or New Super Mario Bros 3 but it seems that this will not happen and possibly never will happen because of how unnecessary it is (both for the company as for many fans)
(Sorry if I made some spelling mistakes on some words, ok, my English is not perfect at all).
Thanks for watching the video I appreciate it.
I wouldn't say my opinions are ignorant considering the hours I've sinked into the series. But yeah anyway, I would easily argue that (including the gameplay..) Ultimate isn't really that different from 4 in the grand scheme of things. It's really just a reworked engine. Most of the content is just retreading through older stuff, and the only new substantial thing here (world of light) is very mediocre and does not do a good job of replacing events, trophies, subspace etc.. So it kinda just sits there being a very underwhelming sequel as someone who spent so much time with Wii U & 3DS. But I also couldn't care less about the competitive side of smash, so maybe that makes a difference.
With NSMBU - it's not the same as smash because it's a completely new game with completely new level design. In fact it's probably the best of the 'new' series, and easily does the most to evolve on the formula. It's not like Nintendo just took Wii, brought in the DS levels, and half a new world with Toadette or some bs and called it a day.
Mario Maker doesn't really replace new games. I get the argument, but the 2D Mario series shouldn't necesarily be restricted to just the NSMB style. I mean, just look at the direction they took the series with the gameboy games. Or the donkey kong franchise. Or even non nintendo games like Rayman. There's no reason Nintendo couldn't make a new creative 2D mario game. A level creator doesn't replace one at all, especially considering the quality of 99.9999% of the levels you play in them. It's like saying new AAA games shouldn't be released because you can just play roblox or dreams or minecraft or something instead.
And with Mario Maker 2. EVEN if you were to argue it's better than the 1st game, it's not like it does that much to push it above it. It's pretty much the same exact game with a few crumbs of new content and features scattered here and there. It doesn't do much to justify the '2'. Just like SSBU, it's built on the foundation of the previous game and doesn't really do much to evolve the franchise. For me, as someone who played the original games, I can't say I'm satisfyed with these sequels at all because they don't really offer anything new, anything I haven't really experienced years prior.
@@WumbleWasp At the end of the day, I can understand if Ultimate was disappointing for you in almost many sections (If that includes the gameplay) I am also disappointed with Ultimate although in my case they are for different reasons (put more attetion on the characters but not the game modes or the lack of modes like All-Star mode among many others are one of many problems i have with the game.)
With NSMBU I honestly disagree with his opinion, I understand that you want to find a difference but I can't find it at all beyond a single new Power-up, levels and bosses, because visually it looks like New Wii but rescaled in HD the visual difference between the first Super Mario and Super Mario Bros 3 it's way to bigger, it's not like they take the same game (Super Mario Bros 1) you add new levels and worlds and just call it "Super Mario Bros 3" thing that happened with Super Mario bros 2 original (that's why I don't count Super Mario USA because it's a Fake Super Mario made only for the public outside of japan) and in the worlds it's also a problem although it was understandable that in New DS and New Wii they had to reuse most of the established worlds (Grassland, Desert, Snow, Clouds, Volcanoes) I honestly see no excuse for wanting to be more daring and present more variety in the worlds in New 2 and New U (which is why Mario Land 2 is one of my favorite mario games in general by offering such bizarre worlds that it's a shame that none of the new games have dared to do something similar).
and in the case of mario maker 2 I still have the same opinion I would like to see a new installment in 2D (I don't care if it's a New or not) and your example that no one should release an AAA game anymore because minecraft, Dreams, Roblox etc, exists is very solid. but it will be necessary to see if nintendo strives to at least make a new installment or they will simply go to the insurance in replacing it with Maker (apart from the fact that Maker 2's Story Mode could also be the last nail in the coffin for the New/2D Series by already offering levels created by nintendo itself but I'm not sure at all). and your disappointment with maker 2 I can understand but just like ultimate they are for different reasons (Maker 2 at least for me, for more interesting content it can offer, I honestly feel that the game is unfinished and that it has put many limitations on the player).
and now that I remember in your conclusion you said that you had moved away from nintendo because of its lack of games (other than wii u ports) and because most of them seem disappointing to you and you started playing more on PC or on playstation, honestly I passed for the same situation and I felt something more positive than negative, in 2016 for example there was no nintendo game that interested me more than Planet Robobot, Mario Party Star Rush and getting a copy of luigi's mansion dark moon (because the first that I had was stolen from me) it was not there that I met the Indie audience, thanks to my distance from Nintendo I was able to learn about games like FNAF, undertale, Geometry Dash or Cuphead and everything that happened there was magical, and then we went on to 2018 where I must tell before that I hated playstation with a burning passion because in 2016 I had a very bad experience with 2 playstation fanboys who hated me because I liked nintendo and mario. My hatred was so great that when I heard someone talk about playstation I thought that he had mental problems and that he was a violent person, without a doubt those times were dark for me because I did not want to be friends with anyone because they liked playstation. but going back to 2018 was where I was able to give it a chance for curiosity and MY GOD, what a catalog (Ratched and clank, God of War, Final Fantasy, Uncharted, Ghost of Tsushima Etc.) everything was spectacular and believe me it was without a doubt getting away from Nintendo in 2016 and 2018 was a good decision as it opened me up to more games that I thought were garbage. And i understand your disappointment for nintendo in those years but honestly I feel that it was something more than positive (at least for me) since when the day comes when nintendo disappears from gaming or has to stop supporting them, at least I will have multiple doors from where I can go when that happens.
The Switch is just a portable Wii U that was rebranded because Nintendo failed to market the U. A new MarioKart, Zelda, or DK country hasn’t released under the Switch’s run. Let that sink in..Switch has been out for 5 years and there has NOT been a new MarioKart or DK game since 2014, and BOTW released in 2017 as a Wii U game. So since 2006, Nintendo has released two consoles with “Wii” in the title, and the Switch which is a portable Wii U. People are either too stupid to see it, or they are little kids who don’t give a shit bc their parents pay for everything
Tears of the kingdom exists. Twerp
Once again your opinion on ultimate is waay of target but everything else ok
how come? It's completely based on the foundation of Smash 4 rather than from the ground up, and barely has any 'new' content outisde of paid DLC, which is a whole other can of worms in and of itself. Not saying it's a bad game by any means, but it's easily the most underwhelming sequel of the entire franchise.
@@WumbleWasp first and most important Physics dude.. best physics in any smash game it’s totally different and superior than smash 4 and let me use your argument against you since smash 4 is totally just a better version of smash brawl same sluggish physics and all they just fixed the slip issues and that, ultimate on the other hand brings ALL the fighters from previous games, the character movement feels more like melee but not as fast but definetly not sluggish like 4/brawl it’s just a sweetspot where competitive feels frantic and casual play is enjoyable as heck, tons of stages, balanced characters all around and my final strike: THE kill screen dude idc what anyone says there has not been a more satisfying thing in a smash game than seeing a red anime screen of death when you smash your opponent with a charged attack out of the screen it’s such a energetic and frantic game that it’s on a different level, and yeah I’m not saying is perfect because single player is lackluster but playing with friends (which is what the game is intended for) it easily makes it the best switch party game and the best smash bros of all time period :)
The physics are very similar to SSB4. I've played hundreds of hours of both games, and I can confidently say that gameplay and mechanically, Ultimate is superior... but only by a hair - relative to 4, Brawl and Melee which offered radically different gameplay styles to their predecessors.
There's virtually 0 reason to revisit 4 for mutlplayer, and that's actually not a slight against 4.
Yeah man I mean smash ultimate is the definitive version of this era of smash it didn’t bring nothing new or crazy but rather polished it and I’m fine with it I hope the next one we get is something fresh that blows our mind but for what it is Smash u is the one I would recommend to who has or hasn’t played smash before that’s just me
3DS>>>>sWiTcH
This video was trash trash for me and most of the opinions felt stupid and like they were pulled out of nowhere. The Switch will always be the better console to me.
this comment was trash trash for me
@@WumbleWasp Don’t worry he is a stupid kid. In fact, he is a beautiful example of your point about Nintendo fans being toxic now.
@@WumbleWasp Did you even read the articles that the switch saved Nintendo from bankrupt? Sure the Wii U may have been a fun console but the marketing for it was terrible. We should be thankful that the switch is Lord's better than the Wii U itself.
But the Wii U and 3DS are still cool though
@@M64bros bro why did you delete your comment I was just about to post a reply
Anyway, all I was really saying is that I agree with most of what you're saying, but I think they're sucess has lead to their complancency, which has really turned me off the brand. Sure the Switch itself is a better console than the WIi U, but this video is about perspective, not sales numbers or the like.
@@WumbleWasp I strongly agree with you and you do have a good point there! The real reason I deleted that comment was I thought It wasn't going to end well but turns out you actually loved it. Also, I agree with you on your opinion.
wii u can play every console i buy it insttead. switch has just mario odyssey smash and kirby
One of the only things the Switch has for me that makes it better than the Wii U and 3DS was having other people I know being to play with me since nobody else I knew when I played the Wii U a lot had one.
The pandemic affected Nintendo much more than western companies because they are a traditional Japanese company. They had no work from home set up and they more or less lost a full year of development.
With regards to your point about wanting separate hardware for home and handheld, that would result in even less games than what we have now. They would have to develop games for PS4 and PS3 level hardware. The strength of Switch isn’t that we purely get more games overall, but that we have more franchises represented in a single console. It’s more convenient and easier to invest when you only have one system.
Also, game development is difficult and context matters. Retro hasn’t put out anything since 2014. Alpha Dream (M&L devs) went bankrupt. Three houses and wooly world (despite how you feel about them) were delayed multiple times. Simply combining the dev talent from both hardware teams doesn’t mean more and faster games, when everything is HD. Also, many of their games have longer DLC support due to their success, so that is another reason the next game may take longer.
And for all the ports you raised issue with, the Switch was such a quick turn around from the Wii U (4 years) that it was always going to reuse those games. I mean the fact that they were so good to you is the very reason Nintendo couldn’t let them go to waste on Wii U. But now that the pandemic is mostly behind us, the latter half of 2021, this year and 2023 are showing us the true potential of Nintendo. Just more spread out so the titles don’t eat into each other’s sales. On average, 10-20 titles is the most we can expect, as opposed to before we they could get games out faster and release them close to each other as they were on different platforms.
Something else I wanted to bring up was that you didn’t bring up third party support this time. I find it hard to argue that Switch’s isn’t massively better. just the huge number of indie titles alone is insane. You’ve got games like Skyrim, Dark Souls, DQ XI S, and more that never would have come to the Wii U.
And in terms of power, Wii U was even weaker than the 360 and it was never going to get PS4/XB1 games even if it was successful. Switch also used the most powerful mobile chip it could at the time, being the Tegra X1. This was always the best case, but the next console isn’t too far off. Dev kits are out and info is pointing to a release next year.
Ultimately, it’s okay that you feel a certain era was better than the 2nd to current years of the Switch. I’ll say that the Switch still has several years of support left from Nintendo (MP4, a new donkey Kong or Pikmin game), so while no individual year may live up to 2017 or “peak” Wii U 3DS days, I believe that at the end of the Switch’s life it will have at least surpassed the Wii U and 3DS individually for you.
And sure, certain franchises like the sports games may not compare as well to previous entries, but that isn’t the last we’ll see of them and I think it’s good to look forward to the next entry.
Ironically, at least looking in from the outside, it really seems like the pandemic impacted western devs a hell of a lot more than Nintendo. I mean, at least Nintendo had a somewhat consistent output, with polished games. Otherwise, 2021 was probably the worst year for AAA games... ever honestly.
In terms of the handheld/home console balance - it's just a preference, because I know it wouldn't work in this day and age for Nintendo. Even a dedicated home console would not perform well against Xbox/PS BUT no there definietely would be a lot more games if there was a cheaper alternative to the home console + a reason to make them. If Nintendo had to support another system like a 4DS on the side to the Switch, I'm certain there would be a lot more Nintendo releases than what we've gotten with just the Switch. I think at the end of the day, putting aside what you were saying about game devs.. I just think it's really questionable why after merging handheld and home devs into one dedicated system - it has resulted in getting only a slightly higher output than what the Wii U got... Keeping in mind that the Wii U and Switch really aren't far apart from one another. They're both 'HD' with a very similar archeticture. Even if Nintendo just liquidated all of their handheld development teams and partners (lol) --- just having a sole focus on development towards one platform really should have resulted in a notably higher output of games than the Wii U, but it really hasn't been the case. nor does it make any sense to me.
I have an issue with Wii U ports because they're ridiculously expensive. Unlike the Wii ports to Wii U. That said, my issue isn't the ports, but it's the 'new' games - most of which are heavily reliant on the Wii U/3DS games as a foundation, and don't do much to evolve themselves beyond that standard. Unlike every previous Nintendo gen's sequels.
Now 3rd party is a can a worms that I really didn't want to open in this video. It's bad. The 3rd party support on Switch is really really bad. Yes you've got indies. Yes you've got 10 year old overpriced ports. Sometimes you've got that regional cloud game. But in terms of current gen games, I really can't think of many that released, and of the small handful that have, they aren't exactly great options over other systems. Especially Steam Deck now. Yes overall, it's better than the Wii U, but it's still not good imo... Either way, I wasn't talking about 3rd party support in this video anyway. I was talking about Nintendo.
But the Wii U was definietely superior to the X360 in hardware. Ironically the PS3 probably had an edge not the 360. Not that I'm defending the hardware though.. I just think it's sad that the Wii U was seriously underpowered for it's time, and the Switch rolls around with near identical hardware for close to a decade.
Anyway, I think the damage has been done for Nintendo at this point. After 2018, 2019 alone, I got really bored of them and just moved on. So even best case scenario, I doubt the Switch will ever surpass the 3DS/Wii U for me just out of priciple.
@@WumbleWasp a couple of points. The Wii U had more RAM and a stronger GPU compared to the 360, but a weaker CPU. It was why a lot of third party ports performed worse. Second, it not only has a completely different architecture from the Switch, but was even different compared to the PS4/XB1. Switch has ARM, which is what the 3DS and mobile devices today use. Wii U used PowerPC which was very outdated compared to the x86 of current gen because they were devoted to ensuring perfect backwards compatibility with the Wii.
The Switch in handheld is straight up more powerful than the Wii U and over twice as much in docked. It has double the RAM and a much stronger GPU, allowing it to run games like MK8 at 1080 and give Smash lighting and shadows in real time. It also actually supports modern engines, like UE4 and Unity, and APIs like Vulkan, allowing ports like Doom. I can guarantee you that Wii U would never have received Doom, the Witcher, or Fortnite.
Porting from Wii U to Switch is not trivial, as seen by Botw’s launch performance. Though with time it was patched and now runs better than Wii U. That, along with many games having added content, is why Nintendo is charging $60 for games at launch. And they stay at that price because they keep selling at that price. Discounts and sales exist though, as long as you look for them. If the Wii U was a success, Nintendo would have done the same thing, instead of giving away games if you bought the system (how I got Pikmin 3).
And if we compare titles, Mario tennis on Wii U was even worse, golf didn’t exist, there was no fire emblem, Metroid, Animal Crossing, or Pokemon. Sure you can compare nine of releases, but I owned both systems and didn’t buy every release. NES remix of the equivalent of an indie game, along with all the Mario vs donkey Kong games. The crypt of the necrodancer Zelda collaboration helps fill in those gaps anyway. Game and Wario isn’t comparable to a real Warioware for example.
Also, 2016 for Wii U was definitely the worst year of any Nintendo system. 2018 and 2019 beat them though sheer quality alone. 2013 was also a dry year for Wii U. Really 2014 and 15 were fine, but MK8 literally didn’t have a battle mode, Smash 4 had no single player, and Splatoon had a very small campaign. So yes content was reused, but that’s because it’s smart and efficient to do so and was how they were able to hit the ground running for Switch in 2017. But the problem with a banger year like 2017 is that a lot of their dev teams all had to work on their next projects at the same time, which is why we’re still waiting for a new 3D Mario and Zelda. Combine that with the pandemic and we just have done unfortunate timing.
I do think the latter half of this year and through the rest of this decade will be strong for Nintendo. If new hardware comes out by next March, we get a new DK, 2D Mario, Pikmin 4, MP4, and more, I think that will come very close to 2017 just in terms of software quality. I say, have hope because the future is bright now, especially since Nintendo is expanding with their second big development building next to their headquarters.
The hardware differences are trivial though. I guess it's a handheld tbf, but it's not a massive increase in power. I also don't believe the things you're arguing like $60 ports. And you've just neglected to mention the 3DS too.
@@WumbleWasp the architecture differences are significant. PowerPC was really outdated and it was a big deal when Apple finally transitioned from PPC to x86 with Intel back in the day. The same thing happened recently with their change to ARM for their Macs. It breaks a lot of compatibility and requires developers to make native versions again. The trade off is that everything is streamlined and more efficient for mobile tech.
Also the Switch isn’t just a handheld. The fact that their clock speeds increase when docked (for RAM and GPU) allow for increased resolution and performance.
And the reason I didn’t mention 3DS is because you’re comparing two consoles to one. At best the number of games would be equal, but that would only be true if they still made a mix of HD AAA games like BOTW AND PS2 era games on the 3DS.
When everything is HD, it means everything takes longer. Games that could be completed on 3DS would take 1-2 years, now take 2-4 years minimum for EVERY game in every franchise. You also have to consider the time it takes to train the 3DS teams to work on HD games. They didn’t just transition instantly.
@Hakan Cakir This is really going around in circles.
The best way I can describe what happened is, they got extremely corporate. Jesus loves you!
What could make the Mario franchise in this current switch era better is if they make more mainline titles. The switch can really use another new mainline Mario game alongside Odyssey. Hopefully Nintendo does release an new mainline Mario rather it be 2D or 3D. No more spin offs, we need the mainline games back. The Wii U had New Super Mario Bros U and Super Mario 3D World. The 3DS had New Super Mario Bros 2 and Super Mario 3D Land. Both consoles at least had two new mainline titles which was fine. Even the Wii had Super Mario Galaxy, New Super Mario Bros Wii, and Super Mario Galaxy 2. That's three new mainline titles on one console. That was much better than what we have currently for new mainline Mario on switch.
If we were to get another original New Super Mario Bros game on switch and an Odyssey 2, I would be very much satisfied, and this would truly do the Mario side of the switch justice.
Another great vid tho I will say with Mario games you forgor Mario Maker was brand new back then