hitch is spot on about british colonialism in india. true there was a lot of economic exploitation ,but all the infrastructure created there (and without the bloodbaths of soviet style modernization)like universities, railways and communication has helped india in it's development as an independent modern state. again he makes another point that although america has done some crappy things, it's preferable to the type of involvement that china takes in tibet, north korea, burma, sudan ,etc.
Very true so at the end of the day if you are going to be colonised hope that it is literally a First World country. Notwithstanding that that country may well have committed some horrible crimes not just internationally but also domestically.
Not the only one; after recently getting into books I've read over 300 books and am steadily building up my collection - can't wait to I get a fraction of what he had!
@LowleyUK Bottom line is while 100,000 died because of the invasion, but millions died under Saddam. Would it have been better to leave him in power? Course people don't ask these questions they just see the TV and papers and say "OH NO!! WAR IS BAD!!!" Thank God for Christopher Hitchens, (yeah you heard me, I said thank God for Hitch.) He was a voice of reason in an insane world.
What a mind. I hadn't heard the term, "Anglos-sphere". Hitch describes Britain as the better alternative as colonizers go. That the west provided much of the tech for the modern world since the industrial revolution is generally overlooked; not that anyone is grading empires. Progress is planet-wide. Nations have the ability via the internet and diplomacy to put away petty differences and get to the work. China is proving it's Communist/Capitalist model. We can and must avoid a "nuclear exchange" because of it's threat to all life.
@LowleyUK Y'know I think the problem here is that people don't understand that old saying of "when you kill one it's a tragedy, but when you kill a million it's a statistic." It may sound cold but it's true. When we talk about death in large scale we need to start comparing the numbers, e.g., Around 50,000 Americans die every year from auto related accidents. Should we do away with automobiles now? Ok, but then how many will die because there is no longer an ambulance to take them to the ER?
Truer words are seldom spoken sir. Collectivism is good to a point but we must understand that it holds back the creativity of men if taken to its extreme of Communism. Why should they work hard when it never reaps large dividends financially.
@Valk0010iv Its not bad taste. Its never bad to like books. But I imagine they are a collection that took decades to create. So start one now, and by the time you're 60 you may have an even greater collection!
Interesting how inane the comments are below. Wondering where thinking minds are on this - so much easier to attack and dismiss than inquiry into something, perhaps out of fear and little understanding (the guy in the diner syndrome), While I don't agree with many of CH's views, such an interesting discussion.
Nixon was frustrated with progress or the lack if in Cambidia during the war on Vietnam and discussed nuking it with Kissenger. Two tyranical war criminals, one pardoned and the other continues to evade international warrants.
Just a thought. What use was keeping the Berlin Wall up after the invention of the internet in 1983?I mean,if you're trying to keep your ideology strong propagating your people,a wall does little when it's understood the ease of propagating your enemies people from their pocket?
(1) Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming : U.S. Pat. 5003186 : Abstract: A method is described for reducing atmospheric or global warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by the earth. The method includes the step of seeding the layer
Philo Taylor Farnsworth invented television before Vladimir Kosma Zworykin (whom I assume you refer to). Charles P. Ginsburg (not a Russian) invented the video tape recorder in 1951. Mikhail Dolivo-Dobrovolsky was half-Russian, half-Polish. He was one of a series of scientists involved in the development of electric ransformers, and he was not the first.
@LowleyUK Indeed, agreeing with the reasons for the war and agreeing with the methods used in the war are different things. People can't seem to seperate the two concepts, which I believe is a great shame.
Americans have this unusual puppy dog need to be called the greatest country in the world. They debate this endlessly and even go it intellectuals like Christopher Hitchens to want to validate this belief.
Hitchens actually has not written that many books. He has written thousands of articles though. This definition of prolific writer would count any and every journalist. Even those who write for supermarket press. He is still my favourite though.
@bademoxy You have to be kidding me. I was learning about slavery as early as the 4th grade in my Canadian public school. Childern today if anything get a very incomplete view of the exsistance of slavery outside of the western world and come out with the impression that it is a western white invention.
@Reptile0000 Don't be so dense, the guy asked him to comment on progressions made by imperialisms and he paraphrased marx by noting the way India was to become 'Post-British' through the technological advancements. If he were justifying Imperialism then why would he go on to talk about the all destructive British presence in Ireland and West-Africa?
ⵉⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⵏ We are not Arabs, but under Arab colonialism since French colonialism handed him the keys to power in the middle of the twentieth century. We are the indigenous Amazigh people of North Africa (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia Libya and others country) suffer from racism and identity theft, which is embodied in the repressive Arabization practiced by the ruling Arab dictatorial regimes. Amazigh is the historical identity of North Africa, but the Arab dictatorial regimes are working to make it outside the framework of everything that is happening in this region by coercive Arabization. The abuse of power and the employment of islamique religion. What creates a soil unsuitable for democracy and coexistence between peoples to confront human problems such as the environment and poverty . Media and educational incitement to consider Arabism and Islam as the sublime identity imposed by law, creates an identity crisis that fuels ethnic and religious extremism and produces, as the world is experiencing, thousands of terrorists who strike inside and outside the borders, not to mention the death of thousands of immigrants fleeing poverty and injustice.We call on the democratic and free world to dig into the true history of North Africa and not to be tempted by Arab propaganda.To stop calling our countries the Arab world or the Arab Maghreb, the racist phrase that Kadhafi made in 1998.The Arab regimes of North Africa has reached the point of banning Amazigh personal names and they do everything in their power to obstruct the Amazigh language from taking its place in state institutions.We are experiencing an identity genocide. Ask organizations interested in the Amazigh issue.While these peoples suffer from identities extermination via forced Arabization,Western countries are only hunting interests with the oil sheikhs and their wise servants in North Africa.
Well given the alternative was to let Saddam keep killing his own people and letting them starve to death in the terrible conditions while he built palaces,leave the Kurdish and Shia Arab populations in risk of being victims of Genocide again and let the Iraqi people become even more traumatized for when the regime eventually fell and the violence and civil war would have happened anyway. Yeah given that, I think me and Albright agree Hell, then the Iraqi Marshlands my never have been re-flooded
Can I ask you something ? Are you against both war and sanctions? If so how do you propose the international community should react to say for example genocide ?
@@Morclaw My point is you don't have a point and until American Indians are front and center in international policies all else is a way to ignore how the world robbed the Western Hemisphere of everything. Like I said, did anyone say to the US that they shouldn't murder indigenous people? No, only a select few, including the US Supreme Court for that matter. The Longest US case in history and the costliest case both involved American Indians v the United States.
@@hhaney9187 Sorry but what you wrote I read as "In the past this country has committed genocide , therefore should not criticize/intervene in other currently ongoing genocides. If that is your position, I have to ask, are you also opposed to the Nurnberg trials?
Maybe as a whole the Russians didn't fair to well, but they were the inventors of many greats things in Psychics, Art, Chemistry, Space Exploration, Aviation, Medicine, Military equipment, Sports and Games, Energy, Communications, and a long list of other things that you probably have never heard of. I wouldn't bash them for their mistakes as their accomplishments are far greater.
I thought it was because of Sadam? Hasn't he killed a lot of people with chemical weapons?(the Kurds) And did they not find sarin and mustard gas(500 chemical weapon munitions total)? Do those not classify as WMDs? Also, I don't remember where it was stated that Iraq or Sadam caused 9/11. Just asking questions.
A belated response. Look no further than Bush who stated his belief that Iraq was involved. Confusingly, he also said that he didn’t think Saddam was involved. Of course, it’s entirely possible he meant Iran. He was not good with geography, or indeed many other things.
@EasyEs -holy hell,in my last post (to randomental) i said i was being sarcastic in my first post (to thatsmyrail) -doesn't anyone here understand sarcasm? to wit-yes dude, i WAS kidding u
As much as I am the admirer of Hitchens, the Karl Marx analysis is simply wrong for India. India was ruled by muslim rulers, who had a association with Ottomans or Persia but they became Indians and defended or fought against foreign forces. The only completely foreign and extractive force to ever rule India was the British. And upto as late as mid 19th century, 1/3 to 1/4 global GDP was Indian and it could have easily bought into all the technological advances without the need of colonization very similar to Japan, China or other places. So this British and Indian consolation to themselves that atleast some good cane out of it is just pathetic on both the sides.
From the Trails of Kissinger to a denizen of the Empire... his fervent crusade against religion and the death and suffering it caused but now he becomes an apologist for the deaths and suffering of millions around the world for the glory of a socialist Empire very sad way to end RIP.
Saddam even asked the US if it was OK to invade kuwait. Frankly I can't interpret the reply as anything but a green light. In the first gulf war the US bombed Iraqi water treatment plants and electrical plants. The sanctions prevented rebuilding either and prevented water treatment chemicals and several basic medicines from entering the country. More people died from this than Saddam's worst attrocities. I can't begin to concieve the level of credulity displayed by Hitchens on Iraq.
soylentgreenb As Hitchens always advocated, he originally opposed the Gulf War because he thought it was a carve-up that went wrong. He changed his mind, after Saddams treatment of the Kurds - as well as saddams victory during that brief civil war - and this, in my opinion, sparked all of his opposition towards Saddam and led him to campaign for the invasion of Iraq. While he most definitely was not happy with what happened post-invasion, he thought it was still good to do it because Saddam posed a major threat to international stability and he believed that the Iraqis were eventually going to establish a democracy and have freedom!
The US armed American Indian tribes, then made it illegal to sell them arms or any supplies. Then, killed thousands of them when they revolted or invaded neighbors. Yet, no one bats an eye. Same thing but Americans care more about the Middle East than their own indigenous population.
@ShishirYerramilli Wait, you're actually starting second grade next month? Shit, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were a kid. I honestly thought you were an adult with the mentality of a child. I apologize.
@ShishirYerramilli Hitchens may be dying but God is fatally wounded. For God, as for poor Hitchens, it is only a matter of time. But when the history of our times is written, many will speculate as to who delivered the fatal blow to the evil sky god who has tormented out poor species for so long. So farewell to Hitchens and good riddance to the sky god.
BTW...a Russian invented the video tape recorder, the television, and power grid transformers. Without those there wouldn't even be a TH-cam for you to post this comment on.
It will be less of a surprise that society and civilization somehow managed before ...any of these...and am re minded of a joke...we invent...2 weeks later Russia claimed they invented...2 weeks later Japan is making it cheaper. And without Lend Lease in 1940...Russia would speak ...ah, German lol ...grow up, wake up, move on...
Such a gifted man, such a loss. Wish he was around now to help us.
😂
I'm a new fan of the Interviewer. He asked a lot of great questions and steered a amazing conversation. Well done.
Rest in Peace, great mind. You've done far too much for so many.
hitch is spot on about british colonialism in india.
true there was a lot of economic exploitation ,but all the infrastructure created there (and without the bloodbaths of soviet style modernization)like universities, railways and communication has helped india in it's development as an independent modern state.
again he makes another point that although america has done some crappy things, it's preferable to the type of involvement that china takes in tibet, north korea, burma, sudan ,etc.
Very true so at the end of the day if you are going to be colonised hope that it is literally a First World country. Notwithstanding that that country may well have committed some horrible crimes not just internationally but also domestically.
I wish my personal library looked like that..:(
Not the only one; after recently getting into books I've read over 300 books and am steadily building up my collection - can't wait to I get a fraction of what he had!
Good thing is all you have to do is read more.
As a dealer in antiquarian books I had 40,000 volumes on hand. I am allergic to mold but kept going till I sold it off by the end of 2016.
Why are you not still here? What a great loss for free thinking humanity. You are so missed.
the conscience of humanity!
I live in a nation, not in a commune.
I miss Hitchens, I honestly don’t think the proportions of the left would be as skewered as they are now, there would be more moderates for sure.
The problem on the left ARE the so called moderates.
I love that he quotes Jeremy Suri
@LowleyUK Bottom line is while 100,000 died because of the invasion, but millions died under Saddam. Would it have been better to leave him in power? Course people don't ask these questions they just see the TV and papers and say "OH NO!! WAR IS BAD!!!" Thank God for Christopher Hitchens, (yeah you heard me, I said thank God for Hitch.) He was a voice of reason in an insane world.
One of Lex Frieiman's first interviews and certainly one of his best.
Thank you for posting this, rferlonline.
What a mind. I hadn't heard the term, "Anglos-sphere". Hitch describes Britain as the better alternative as colonizers go. That the west provided much of the tech for the modern world since the industrial revolution is generally overlooked; not that anyone is grading empires. Progress is planet-wide. Nations have the ability via the internet and diplomacy to put away petty differences and get to the work. China is proving it's Communist/Capitalist model. We can and must avoid a "nuclear exchange" because of it's threat to all life.
thank you so much for this
@IconsOfTeleplay
P.S. People like you are the reason Hichens is such a great man.
I think we should set up an organization to celebrate the death and life of Hitchens(or birth), just like we celebrate the Easter, Christmas et al.
@LowleyUK Y'know I think the problem here is that people don't understand that old saying of "when you kill one it's a tragedy, but when you kill a million it's a statistic." It may sound cold but it's true. When we talk about death in large scale we need to start comparing the numbers, e.g., Around 50,000 Americans die every year from auto related accidents. Should we do away with automobiles now? Ok, but then how many will die because there is no longer an ambulance to take them to the ER?
Truer words are seldom spoken sir. Collectivism is good to a point but we must understand that it holds back the creativity of men if taken to its extreme of Communism. Why should they work hard when it never reaps large dividends financially.
@Valk0010iv Its not bad taste. Its never bad to like books. But I imagine they are a collection that took decades to create. So start one now, and by the time you're 60 you may have an even greater collection!
Interesting how inane the comments are below. Wondering where thinking minds are on this - so much easier to attack and dismiss than inquiry into something, perhaps out of fear and little understanding (the guy in the diner syndrome), While I don't agree with many of CH's views, such an interesting discussion.
Nixon was frustrated with progress or the lack if in Cambidia during the war on Vietnam and discussed nuking it with Kissenger. Two tyranical war criminals, one pardoned and the other continues to evade international warrants.
@josenros The Last Lion by Churchill is right next to his elbow, Gore Vidal's United States: essays 1952-1992 is to the left of his head.
He definitely was not a neo-con. I agree with a lot of what he says and disagree with a lot.
Just a thought. What use was keeping the Berlin Wall up after the invention of the internet in 1983?I mean,if you're trying to keep your ideology strong propagating your people,a wall does little when it's understood the ease of propagating your enemies people from their pocket?
@bademoxy I suppse that it doesn't travel well through text.. but now I am getting a good laugh..
Well done
(1) Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming : U.S. Pat. 5003186 : Abstract: A method is described for reducing atmospheric or global warming resulting from the presence of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere, i.e., from the greenhouse effect. Such gases are relatively transparent to sunshine, but absorb strongly the long-wavelength infrared radiation released by the earth. The method includes the step of seeding the layer
Philo Taylor Farnsworth invented television before Vladimir Kosma Zworykin (whom I assume you refer to).
Charles P. Ginsburg (not a Russian) invented the video tape recorder in 1951.
Mikhail Dolivo-Dobrovolsky was half-Russian, half-Polish. He was one of a series of scientists involved in the development of electric ransformers, and he was not the first.
@LowleyUK Indeed, agreeing with the reasons for the war and agreeing with the methods used in the war are different things. People can't seem to seperate the two concepts, which I believe is a great shame.
As bad as apartheid was I can’t agree it was any worse than Castro’s Cuba.
I'm trying to make out the names of some of the books on his book shelf. All I see is something on Einstein and Newsweek.
Americans have this unusual puppy dog need to be called the greatest country in the world.
They debate this endlessly and even go it intellectuals like Christopher Hitchens to want to validate this belief.
@Hermoor He is.
Hitchens actually has not written that many books. He has written thousands of articles though. This definition of prolific writer would count any and every journalist. Even those who write for supermarket press.
He is still my favourite though.
@bademoxy You have to be kidding me. I was learning about slavery as early as the 4th grade in my Canadian public school. Childern today if anything get a very incomplete view of the exsistance of slavery outside of the western world and come out with the impression that it is a western white invention.
Indian/First Nations Residential Schools are a Western White invention.
@Reptile0000
Don't be so dense, the guy asked him to comment on progressions made by imperialisms and he paraphrased marx by noting the way India was to become 'Post-British' through the technological advancements. If he were justifying Imperialism then why would he go on to talk about the all destructive British presence in Ireland and West-Africa?
ⵉⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⵏ
We are not Arabs, but under Arab colonialism since French colonialism handed him the keys to power in the middle of the twentieth century. We are the indigenous Amazigh people of North Africa (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia Libya and others country) suffer from racism and identity theft, which is embodied in the repressive Arabization practiced by the ruling Arab dictatorial regimes. Amazigh is the historical identity of North Africa, but the Arab dictatorial regimes are working to make it outside the framework of everything that is happening in this region by coercive Arabization. The abuse of power and the employment of islamique religion. What creates a soil unsuitable for democracy and coexistence between peoples to confront human problems such as the environment and poverty . Media and educational incitement to consider Arabism and Islam as the sublime identity imposed by law, creates an identity crisis that fuels ethnic and religious extremism and produces, as the world is experiencing, thousands of terrorists who strike inside and outside the borders, not to mention the death of thousands of immigrants fleeing poverty and injustice.We call on the democratic and free world to dig into the true history of North Africa and not to be tempted by Arab propaganda.To stop calling our countries the Arab world or the Arab Maghreb, the racist phrase that Kadhafi made in 1998.The Arab regimes of North Africa has reached the point of banning Amazigh personal names and they do everything in their power to obstruct the Amazigh language from taking its place in state institutions.We are experiencing an identity genocide. Ask organizations interested in the Amazigh issue.While these peoples suffer from identities extermination via forced Arabization,Western countries are only hunting interests with the oil sheikhs and their wise servants in North Africa.
Thanks for dodging my question.
However you may agree, hitchens basically repudiated his old socialist self here
Can people please disable the comments on stuff like this
Well given the alternative was to let Saddam keep killing his own people and letting them starve to death in the terrible conditions while he built palaces,leave the Kurdish and Shia Arab populations in risk of being victims of Genocide again and let the Iraqi people become even more traumatized for when the regime eventually fell and the violence and civil war would have happened anyway. Yeah given that, I think me and Albright agree
Hell, then the Iraqi Marshlands my never have been re-flooded
To think the USA invaded Iraq to "save the Iraqi people" is something only a truly gullible and dangerously stupid person can believe.
Can I ask you something ? Are you against both war and sanctions? If so how do you propose the international community should react to say for example genocide ?
Well, no one intervened against America's genocidal policies towards American Indians, and in fact, most of the world has joined in.
@@hhaney9187 What is your point?
@@Morclaw My point is you don't have a point and until American Indians are front and center in international policies all else is a way to ignore how the world robbed the Western Hemisphere of everything. Like I said, did anyone say to the US that they shouldn't murder indigenous people? No, only a select few, including the US Supreme Court for that matter. The Longest US case in history and the costliest case both involved American Indians v the United States.
@@hhaney9187 Sorry but what you wrote I read as "In the past this country has committed genocide , therefore should not criticize/intervene in other currently ongoing genocides. If that is your position, I have to ask, are you also opposed to the Nurnberg trials?
@IconsOfTeleplay Umm no what you've just said is that the secretary of state sanctioned it... Hitchens just asked it.
@IconsOfTeleplay
What are you rambling about?
@ShishirYerramilli That's really long and has lots of exclamation points. Are you mad?
Maybe as a whole the Russians didn't fair to well, but they were the inventors of many greats things in Psychics, Art, Chemistry, Space Exploration, Aviation, Medicine, Military equipment, Sports and Games, Energy, Communications, and a long list of other things that you probably have never heard of. I wouldn't bash them for their mistakes as their accomplishments are far greater.
Axe Music not far greater...
LOL
He better beat this cancer shit...
@nomis101uk
wasn't talking to you but........yeah that's a little hyperbole
@ShishirYerramilli Good luck starting second grade next month. : )
I thought it was because of Sadam? Hasn't he killed a lot of people with chemical weapons?(the Kurds) And did they not find sarin and mustard gas(500 chemical weapon munitions total)? Do those not classify as WMDs?
Also, I don't remember where it was stated that Iraq or Sadam caused 9/11.
Just asking questions.
A belated response. Look no further than Bush who stated his belief that Iraq was involved. Confusingly, he also said that he didn’t think Saddam was involved. Of course, it’s entirely possible he meant Iran. He was not good with geography, or indeed many other things.
@mbdulka
and is the now the most dangerous country
@bademoxy Ehm, so proclaiming that you are not that bad, because others are worse, is a good thing? I beg to differ.
Texaco men's rooms should be named in his honor.
@qwertypoiu4321
but how is it, by definition, "criminal"?
@EasyEs -holy hell,in my last post (to randomental) i said i was being sarcastic in my first post (to thatsmyrail) -doesn't anyone here understand sarcasm?
to wit-yes dude, i WAS kidding u
@bademoxy No, but it wouldn't be an excuse to cover up for the things you did wrong..
@SpinyNorman416 : The subject @ hand is the Queen's subject: the homosexual hack Christ' Hitchens.
As much as I am the admirer of Hitchens, the Karl Marx analysis is simply wrong for India. India was ruled by muslim rulers, who had a association with Ottomans or Persia but they became Indians and defended or fought against foreign forces. The only completely foreign and extractive force to ever rule India was the British. And upto as late as mid 19th century, 1/3 to 1/4 global GDP was Indian and it could have easily bought into all the technological advances without the need of colonization very similar to Japan, China or other places. So this British and Indian consolation to themselves that atleast some good cane out of it is just pathetic on both the sides.
@IconsOfTeleplay Lol what?
He looks kinda sick O.o
Man Hitch looks so weak :(
From the Trails of Kissinger to a denizen of the Empire... his fervent crusade against religion and the death and suffering it caused but now he becomes an apologist for the deaths and suffering of millions around the world for the glory of a socialist Empire very sad way to end RIP.
Saddam even asked the US if it was OK to invade kuwait. Frankly I can't interpret the reply as anything but a green light.
In the first gulf war the US bombed Iraqi water treatment plants and electrical plants. The sanctions prevented rebuilding either and prevented water treatment chemicals and several basic medicines from entering the country. More people died from this than Saddam's worst attrocities.
I can't begin to concieve the level of credulity displayed by Hitchens on Iraq.
soylentgreenb As Hitchens always advocated, he originally opposed the Gulf War because he thought it was a carve-up that went wrong. He changed his mind, after Saddams treatment of the Kurds - as well as saddams victory during that brief civil war - and this, in my opinion, sparked all of his opposition towards Saddam and led him to campaign for the invasion of Iraq. While he most definitely was not happy with what happened post-invasion, he thought it was still good to do it because Saddam posed a major threat to international stability and he believed that the Iraqis were eventually going to establish a democracy and have freedom!
The US armed American Indian tribes, then made it illegal to sell them arms or any supplies. Then, killed thousands of them when they revolted or invaded neighbors. Yet, no one bats an eye. Same thing but Americans care more about the Middle East than their own indigenous population.
@ShishirYerramilli Wait, you're actually starting second grade next month? Shit, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were a kid. I honestly thought you were an adult with the mentality of a child. I apologize.
for some reason this interview looks mocked up and fake
Probably because you didnt understand the editing or maybe stop rewatching Apollo conspiracies
@ShishirYerramilli Hitchens may be dying but God is fatally wounded. For God, as for poor Hitchens, it is only a matter of time. But when the history of our times is written, many will speculate as to who delivered the fatal blow to the evil sky god who has tormented out poor species for so long. So farewell to Hitchens and good riddance to the sky god.
@qwertypoiu4321
largest criminal empire? haha
I don't agree with Hitchens from 3:38 afterwards
Are you proposing that the U.S. State Dept. is run by humanitarians?
My Life Above Water Some of it - not all of it, of course - is, and always have been, run by humanitarians.
@randomperson2538 : Where's your gay-pride now?
BTW...a Russian invented the video tape recorder, the television, and power grid transformers. Without those there wouldn't even be a TH-cam for you to post this comment on.
It will be less of a surprise that society and civilization somehow managed before ...any of these...and am re minded of a joke...we invent...2 weeks later Russia claimed they invented...2 weeks later Japan is making it cheaper. And without Lend Lease in 1940...Russia would speak ...ah, German lol ...grow up, wake up, move on...