@@diegovs1508 Rengar wins against elise 1v1, can clease her cocoon, root her so she cant rappel away, and heal her burst. Rengar has more survivability, burst and dps than elise has. Rengar also outscales
This is thez most fun montage, i've seen in a while. It's like the meme of the young dude singing love song and the other dude sweating hard on the other hand. Hahaha thanks for this video
after watching scrubnoob's explaination 14:55 , he knows that botside is heavily warded which means elise knows he started topside, and he knows rengar is weak lv2 so he should do the safe thing and path blue wolves, he took the gamble and lost, decides to complain he couldnt have played much better which could be true for the rest of the game due to support/mid diff, but for sure it couldve gone a lot better
@ blue into wolves is good if you know enemy jg can start red/raptors in on redsde and likes to invades you. Velja agrees its a good way to counter nidalee lv2 invade because she likes to do that
rengar was on raptors during lv1 so he likely warded his botside with his ward, if he didnt he needs to tell botlane to ward for him. Yes he can ward it its not bad but if elise comes you still have to drop it because you wouldve used smite on blue and elise didnt use smite. if she does do the 5 second thing it gives time for team to rotate. But top had wave under tower due to melee vs range. And sylas is really strong im skirmishes. There is not much you can do even if you ward imo
This chaotic camp desequencing is hurting my brain. It's amazing that you always know exactly which camps are up in all this chaos. Does it work if your start on your wolves/gromp/blue whatever and invade on red? Most lower MMR junglers will start on their bot side, which would have been red for Renger here. Also like 17 50 game time, why not take herald with enemy team all fighting bot side? It's kinda just free, no?
So i recently tried to run Zombieward in several of my games like you pointed out in ur Elise guide, but i just stack it so much slower compared to Eyeball nearly every game. Here i see you run Eyeball aswell, is just that in ur usual high elo lobbies you get to kill alot more wards or what makes you determine wich one to run ? 🕷️🕸️
Raptors into enemy blue side being labeled as a "new strategy" despite being the second most popular pathing outside of full clear for more than a decade.
it's not just the pathing, it's an entirely different way of playing jungle, focused on getting the enemy jungler as behind as possible and positioning yourself in a specific way, and even forgoing your own camps to invade and position in specific ways to get picks and better tempo
@@Ajic312 No, it's not a "different way of playing jungle". It's called vertical jungling and it used to be the meta way to play jungle back when the jungle item rewarded invading. It's always been popular and Elise specifically is infamous for vertical jungling. He's not only using a very standard strategy, he's doing it on a champion known for that specific strategy.
@Espnandro its not really vertical jungling. You missed the part about being in certain positions to make things happen. Yes, he's invading a lot. Yes, he's kind of vertical jungling. But its not about that its about being hyper aggressive and positioning yourself correctly to make plays. I'm not kirei and I cant explain it very well as I don't full understand the concept myself yet, but watch his streams he's currently doing an unranked to challenger elise only with this strategy and showcases it very well what I'm talking about and how its different from vertical jungling
@@Ajic312 Elise is THE champion for doing this. Elise and Graves are the two most iconic junglers from the vertical meta. I'm not saying the strategy is bad advice, I'm just saying the title is clickbait. The idea that playing an aggressive Elise and pathing into the enemy jungle level 2 or 3 is not new and in fact fairly iconic of the champion. The same is true for all the vertical junglers such as Graves, Nidalee, Lee Sin, Tiger Udyr, Ekko, and Shaco. It would be like me saying AFK farming on Karthus or Master Yi is a new strategy to win games. I understand he is optimizing it the best he can, with precise timings, but that does not make it new.
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> is playing against a counter
> invades lvl 2
bros built different
I dont really see how rengar is an elise counter
@@diegovs1508 Rengar wins against elise 1v1, can clease her cocoon, root her so she cant rappel away, and heal her burst. Rengar has more survivability, burst and dps than elise has. Rengar also outscales
This is thez most fun montage, i've seen in a while. It's like the meme of the young dude singing love song and the other dude sweating hard on the other hand. Hahaha thanks for this video
after watching scrubnoob's explaination 14:55 , he knows that botside is heavily warded which means elise knows he started topside, and he knows rengar is weak lv2 so he should do the safe thing and path blue wolves, he took the gamble and lost, decides to complain he couldnt have played much better which could be true for the rest of the game due to support/mid diff, but for sure it couldve gone a lot better
idk about blue into wolves, i'd just ward river here i think
@ blue into wolves is good if you know enemy jg can start red/raptors in on redsde and likes to invades you. Velja agrees its a good way to counter nidalee lv2 invade because she likes to do that
@@zeflin2110 i get it but here he could just ward river since they saw elise top, that could lead into kill since she wasted sweeper already
+ it lets u default to blue gromp which is slightly more optimal
rengar was on raptors during lv1 so he likely warded his botside with his ward, if he didnt he needs to tell botlane to ward for him. Yes he can ward it its not bad but if elise comes you still have to drop it because you wouldve used smite on blue and elise didnt use smite. if she does do the 5 second thing it gives time for team to rotate. But top had wave under tower due to melee vs range. And sylas is really strong im skirmishes. There is not much you can do even if you ward imo
So I've learned to have a better team, huge.
“You can always take drake, but you can’t always take raptors”
this game has my 3 favourite EUW jungle streamers (Kirei, Scrubnoob and Santorin)
do you count Scrubnoob as EUW? he transferred from NA
@nayanar1598 u're right idk why i put EUW in there lol
This chaotic camp desequencing is hurting my brain. It's amazing that you always know exactly which camps are up in all this chaos.
Does it work if your start on your wolves/gromp/blue whatever and invade on red? Most lower MMR junglers will start on their bot side, which would have been red for Renger here.
Also like 17 50 game time, why not take herald with enemy team all fighting bot side? It's kinda just free, no?
very good video , but i think this stategy only works if ur teammates have prio
can you do this on graves too? what are his bad matchups early on, my invades always feel weak esp w/o grit stacks
So i recently tried to run Zombieward in several of my games like you pointed out in ur Elise guide, but i just stack it so much slower compared to Eyeball nearly every game.
Here i see you run Eyeball aswell, is just that in ur usual high elo lobbies you get to kill alot more wards or what makes you determine wich one to run ? 🕷️🕸️
maybe it stacks slower but the vision it gives is worth? but im not an expert so idk
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how do i do this in blue side map? do i start blue and go to hjis raptors?
kirei are u dutch by any chance?
Raptors into enemy blue side being labeled as a "new strategy" despite being the second most popular pathing outside of full clear for more than a decade.
it's not just the pathing, it's an entirely different way of playing jungle, focused on getting the enemy jungler as behind as possible and positioning yourself in a specific way, and even forgoing your own camps to invade and position in specific ways to get picks and better tempo
@@Ajic312 No, it's not a "different way of playing jungle". It's called vertical jungling and it used to be the meta way to play jungle back when the jungle item rewarded invading. It's always been popular and Elise specifically is infamous for vertical jungling. He's not only using a very standard strategy, he's doing it on a champion known for that specific strategy.
@Espnandro its not really vertical jungling. You missed the part about being in certain positions to make things happen. Yes, he's invading a lot. Yes, he's kind of vertical jungling. But its not about that its about being hyper aggressive and positioning yourself correctly to make plays. I'm not kirei and I cant explain it very well as I don't full understand the concept myself yet, but watch his streams he's currently doing an unranked to challenger elise only with this strategy and showcases it very well what I'm talking about and how its different from vertical jungling
@@Ajic312 Elise is THE champion for doing this. Elise and Graves are the two most iconic junglers from the vertical meta. I'm not saying the strategy is bad advice, I'm just saying the title is clickbait. The idea that playing an aggressive Elise and pathing into the enemy jungle level 2 or 3 is not new and in fact fairly iconic of the champion. The same is true for all the vertical junglers such as Graves, Nidalee, Lee Sin, Tiger Udyr, Ekko, and Shaco.
It would be like me saying AFK farming on Karthus or Master Yi is a new strategy to win games. I understand he is optimizing it the best he can, with precise timings, but that does not make it new.
@@Espnandroif you watch the full game its not vertical jungling and no1 does this, skipping all camps just to go to enemy jg
this looks insanely fun for nidalee too
But how to make your team go ward enemy bot and not die 3v5?
I'm a Master Yi OTP, will this work for me too if I use HoB?
it for sure does y
love to hear the scrub noob guy cry
but can you narnia strat with Evelynn?
no cuz she is weak
i've seen this poor guy scrubnoob get absolutely touched by both you and sinerias early game cheese like back to back bro leave this man alone
deserved for rengar
What is 5 sec rule?
Its to wait for the gromp to be 800 hp approximately and therefore for rengar to be low hp by fighting the gromp
nah man leave my boy scrub he didnt deserve this not after the sinerias incident
What was there with Sinerias?
its not just the sinerias incident .. bro is getting exposed in euw
Dont try this at home, your teammates are probably feeders and cannot cover you while their 4/0 solo laners are gonna come and fk you up😂
2:15 in what world is jumping in taking gromp and flashing out is worth?
Tilt
He wont need to flash it if he kills the gromp
Bronze jungler here . I do not know anything about whetever you explained in the game .
poor people XD
Narnia
!rank
Team diff proven, elo hell confirmed real.