It was Sunja’s friend who said she went back to the boarding house after WW2 and Sunja’s mother (Yangjin) was gone. (Of course she was - Yangjin said the same thing in this episode, that Yangjin had left the boarding house and Hansu took pains to find her.) And Sunja said nothing about her mum in that conversation with her friend because her mum had been living with her since the war. In that trip back to Korea, Sunja only searched for her father’s grave, not her mother or her mother’s grave. Anyway in the book Yangjin does reunite with Sunja, with Hansu bringing Yangjin to the barn - just like in the show.
Ciao potresti dirmi quanti episodi sono nella prima,stagione e sulla seconda?io lho visto su Kodi e non capisco quale e,dove finisce la,prima,stagione o la,seconda sono arrivata stag 2 nr.6 grazie tu prego aggiornami ciao Anna italy 🇮🇹
Solomons story, in my opinion, is this seasons big story. It's exciting seeing whatever he's doing. Nice that we got more Jimmi Simpson, pleasant surprise. Great season so far, highly enjoying it. It's really almost poetic seeing Sunja respond to Solomon and his actions. She came from a vastly different time. It was sad yet loving of her to remind him to never forget who he is, something that has been echoed in her entire life.
No,Sunja deserve a better another man like Isak. Hansu took advantage on her naivety. And put her in embarrassing situation for a woman at that time. Moreover he's a cruel man and a murderer.
Just because they aged Sunja up* that doesn't make their relationship unproblematic. I think you were expecting a romance subplot with the two leads ending up together, but if you cannot justify Sunja's own moral obligation to herself (like staying true to who she is and her own values, a direct parallel to the advice she gave to Solomon), then I don't know what to say to you. What you say might seem logical to you, but it's rather simplistic and it seems like you confuse love with control and necessity and directly equate a kiss with deep attraction when it could easily be the direct result of a power imbalance stemming from their romantic relationship when Sunja was a teenager. (*btw, the show starts in 1915 when Sunja is born and they leave for Osaka in 1931. You do the math, but if anything, Sunja was older in the book.)
I agree with all your points but in my opinion, I feel like the relationship between Sunja and Hansu is more than just power imbalance. His obsession with her stems from the fact that she has been the only person who has ever 'loved' him, unlike everyone else who either 'fears' him or 'looks down' on him. Sunja's idealistic nature and her strong belief system both commands respect and frustration from Hansu. Somewhere deep down he wants that one person who can look confidently in his eyes and say 'no' to be with him, to remind him of his limits.
Hansu bringing Yangjin to Sunja was a nice gesture. However it was his fault that they separated because he wouldn’t marry Sunja so she had to marry Isak and move to Osaka…
Well, I had referenced in a comment above the interviews with the actors and LMH and Min Ha both speak of their characters “love” for each other. LMH basically says that Hansu loves through control and Min Ha says that Sunja loves Hansu in a way that nearly destroys her. I’m kinda just going with what they are saying here. I get that book Hansu comes off as predatorial and took advantage of teenage Sunja. TV Hansu is definitely more romantized. What I did read from the various interviews with Soo Hugh (the showrunner) and the actors etc is that there is a sort of “love” between Sunja and Hansu. LMH in what I have read of his interviews has not said that his character a predator. Perhaps they don’t want it to come off that way in the show. And Min Ha mentioned that Sunja thought of Hansu every day while they were apart and even dreamed up of their reunion. All the links to the interviews are above! If anyone cares to know further, Soo Hugh (the show runner) made the love triangle (as she described it) of Sunja-Isak-Hansu to be kind of like Edward-Bella-Jacob in Twillight. She says, “Would you rather have that lightning strike that Sunja and Hansu have, knowing that it’s all gonna fall apart, or would you rather have that one love that deepens and deepens and becomes a soul mate?” Link here: www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a39541064/pachinko-soo-hugh-interview/ And Sunja was a teenager when she got involved with Hansu but weren’t girls in those times married off young? Like maybe at 14 - 17? Especially girls from poor families? Girls who married off at that age were probably just as naiive as Sunja.
True hansu and sunja would be problematic according to modern times but in those ages it was sadly the norm. What actually interests me is what if Sunja wasn't so principled and would have agreed to be Hansu's concubine/mistress. How different would life be and would her ambitions have garnered support from Hansu or would she be dominated over by his predatorial nature. I also wonder if she would be able to change Hansu if they were together.
@@sc3304 divorcing his japanese wife would be a matter of life and death for him tho. It isnt going to be all rosy living together with no money and even a scorned yakuza leader at your back for leaving hos daughter for a korean nobody girl. All love doesnt culminate to marriage and marriage isnt the sole proof of love either.
I don't think the snake had anything to do with the fire. "Snake in the grass" is a phrase (English, obviously) that refers to a person who can't be trusted, and we see Noa and friend killing snakes at the beginning of the episode, then witnessing Hansu nearly kill the foreman, which was troubling to Noa. So it could be a metaphor for how Noa regards Hansu. Or it could just represent the fact that they're at the mercy of nature, or of their circumstances generally.
"‘A snake in the grass’ is a phrase (obviously English) that refers to someone who cannot be trusted... Could this relate to the boys' friendship? After they killed the snake,dthey decide to trust each other and become friends? I don't think it has anything to do with Hansu
I didn't mind minor changes but the show is now off the track in terms of the main message. Now it becomes a typical romance drama with some side stories.
The priest betraying isak , sunja and hansu kissing, all of the modern story part, kimchi guy didn't have any further storyline after they left their homes. I might be wrong about this one but I think that noa wasn't bullied in his school he hide his identity by being good at japanese and studies. So japanese kid and his storyline doesn't exist. I didn't watch the new episode after sunja and hansu kissed because I was way too much shocked lol. I'm not sure I'm going to continue. In my opinion they're trying to add eliminates that makes the story interesting and drama like to non book readers.
A lot of relationship problems in this episode 😂. Solomon scored, old sunja got a new boyfriend, young sunja rejects koh, and I feel weird about Kyunghee. I guess she feels completely helpless about her husband I feel bad for him, wife cheats on him and he’s about to get a bomb dropped on him 😥. Btw I have a huge crush on Jung Eun-chae rn she’s good looking and that’s probably why I’m invested in her relationship 😂
Sunja totally mothering her grandson Solomon on date night was funny. Ignorant question, but after watching Omnivore, it made it seem like at least in the paddies in Thailand, rice has labor intensive steps (planting/replanting/harvesting) but does not require constant tending, why is it different in those Japanese rice fields, or did I pick up the wrong impression from Omnivore?
Sure, poor families, yes. But by the standards of late-Joseon or early-occupation Korea...Sunja's family was solidly middle-class. Which...is really depressing but the years following the Treaty of Ganghwa were really the first time Korea ever began sniffing anything resembling the sort of "modern" market economy Japan had tried building since the 1600s and Europe a bit longer than that.
Noa running off after seeing Hansu beat up a guy is a call back to that time when Hansu's wife said she wondered what his son would think of him.
It was Sunja’s friend who said she went back to the boarding house after WW2 and Sunja’s mother (Yangjin) was gone. (Of course she was - Yangjin said the same thing in this episode, that Yangjin had left the boarding house and Hansu took pains to find her.)
And Sunja said nothing about her mum in that conversation with her friend because her mum had been living with her since the war. In that trip back to Korea, Sunja only searched for her father’s grave, not her mother or her mother’s grave.
Anyway in the book Yangjin does reunite with Sunja, with Hansu bringing Yangjin to the barn - just like in the show.
Ciao potresti dirmi quanti episodi sono nella prima,stagione e sulla seconda?io lho visto su Kodi e non capisco quale e,dove finisce la,prima,stagione o la,seconda sono arrivata stag 2 nr.6 grazie tu prego aggiornami ciao Anna italy 🇮🇹
Solomons story, in my opinion, is this seasons big story. It's exciting seeing whatever he's doing. Nice that we got more Jimmi Simpson, pleasant surprise. Great season so far, highly enjoying it.
It's really almost poetic seeing Sunja respond to Solomon and his actions. She came from a vastly different time. It was sad yet loving of her to remind him to never forget who he is, something that has been echoed in her entire life.
Please please please please please please end up together. Hansu deserve it ❤❤❤❤❤❤
No, sunja deserve better than him
No,Sunja deserve a better another man like Isak.
Hansu took advantage on her naivety.
And put her in embarrassing situation for a woman at that time.
Moreover he's a cruel man and a murderer.
Sunja deserves much better and more
@re.Thank you so much for your wonderful comment 😊yhancleary1285
Impressionante relato de uma história de sofrimento, luta, coragem, e perseverança. Lindos personagens. Anciosa pelos próximos episódios.❤
Just because they aged Sunja up* that doesn't make their relationship unproblematic. I think you were expecting a romance subplot with the two leads ending up together, but if you cannot justify Sunja's own moral obligation to herself (like staying true to who she is and her own values, a direct parallel to the advice she gave to Solomon), then I don't know what to say to you.
What you say might seem logical to you, but it's rather simplistic and it seems like you confuse love with control and necessity and directly equate a kiss with deep attraction when it could easily be the direct result of a power imbalance stemming from their romantic relationship when Sunja was a teenager.
(*btw, the show starts in 1915 when Sunja is born and they leave for Osaka in 1931. You do the math, but if anything, Sunja was older in the book.)
I agree with all your points but in my opinion, I feel like the relationship between Sunja and Hansu is more than just power imbalance. His obsession with her stems from the fact that she has been the only person who has ever 'loved' him, unlike everyone else who either 'fears' him or 'looks down' on him. Sunja's idealistic nature and her strong belief system both commands respect and frustration from Hansu.
Somewhere deep down he wants that one person who can look confidently in his eyes and say 'no' to be with him, to remind him of his limits.
Hansu bringing Yangjin to Sunja was a nice gesture. However it was his fault that they separated because he wouldn’t marry Sunja so she had to marry Isak and move to Osaka…
Well, I had referenced in a comment above the interviews with the actors and LMH and Min Ha both speak of their characters “love” for each other. LMH basically says that Hansu loves through control and Min Ha says that Sunja loves Hansu in a way that nearly destroys her. I’m kinda just going with what they are saying here.
I get that book Hansu comes off as predatorial and took advantage of teenage Sunja. TV Hansu is definitely more romantized. What I did read from the various interviews with Soo Hugh (the showrunner) and the actors etc is that there is a sort of “love” between Sunja and Hansu. LMH in what I have read of his interviews has not said that his character a predator. Perhaps they don’t want it to come off that way in the show. And Min Ha mentioned that Sunja thought of Hansu every day while they were apart and even dreamed up of their reunion. All the links to the interviews are above!
If anyone cares to know further, Soo Hugh (the show runner) made the love triangle (as she described it) of Sunja-Isak-Hansu to be kind of like Edward-Bella-Jacob in Twillight. She says, “Would you rather have that lightning strike that Sunja and Hansu have, knowing that it’s all gonna fall apart, or would you rather have that one love that deepens and deepens and becomes a soul mate?” Link here: www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a39541064/pachinko-soo-hugh-interview/
And Sunja was a teenager when she got involved with Hansu but weren’t girls in those times married off young? Like maybe at 14 - 17? Especially girls from poor families? Girls who married off at that age were probably just as naiive as Sunja.
True hansu and sunja would be problematic according to modern times but in those ages it was sadly the norm. What actually interests me is what if Sunja wasn't so principled and would have agreed to be Hansu's concubine/mistress. How different would life be and would her ambitions have garnered support from Hansu or would she be dominated over by his predatorial nature. I also wonder if she would be able to change Hansu if they were together.
It's an interesting what if....I think Hansu did genuinely see her as 'the one' he would have married if he had been free to do so.
@@sc3304 divorcing his japanese wife would be a matter of life and death for him tho. It isnt going to be all rosy living together with no money and even a scorned yakuza leader at your back for leaving hos daughter for a korean nobody girl. All love doesnt culminate to marriage and marriage isnt the sole proof of love either.
i love this movie Pachiko Koh Hanzu Season 2 .my Favourite Actor LMH. the one and only the korean Actor for me.❤❤🌹
Sunja + Hansu and Kyunghee + Mr. Kim
Best drama. Hate it wasn’t on Viki or Netflix
Kimchi guy sticks along in the book, too. The sexual tension ist there as well. But the husband is with them, just crippeld and high on pain killers.
I don't think the snake had anything to do with the fire.
"Snake in the grass" is a phrase (English, obviously) that refers to a person who can't be trusted, and we see Noa and friend killing snakes at the beginning of the episode, then witnessing Hansu nearly kill the foreman, which was troubling to Noa. So it could be a metaphor for how Noa regards Hansu.
Or it could just represent the fact that they're at the mercy of nature, or of their circumstances generally.
"‘A snake in the grass’ is a phrase (obviously English) that refers to someone who cannot be trusted... Could this relate to the boys' friendship? After they killed the snake,dthey decide to trust each other and become friends? I don't think it has anything to do with Hansu
In the book there is no love story about Hansu and Sunja anymore
I didn't mind minor changes but the show is now off the track in terms of the main message. Now it becomes a typical romance drama with some side stories.
The priest betraying isak , sunja and hansu kissing, all of the modern story part, kimchi guy didn't have any further storyline after they left their homes. I might be wrong about this one but I think that noa wasn't bullied in his school he hide his identity by being good at japanese and studies. So japanese kid and his storyline doesn't exist.
I didn't watch the new episode after sunja and hansu kissed because I was way too much shocked lol. I'm not sure I'm going to continue. In my opinion they're trying to add eliminates that makes the story interesting and drama like to non book readers.
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A lot of relationship problems in this episode 😂. Solomon scored, old sunja got a new boyfriend, young sunja rejects koh, and I feel weird about Kyunghee. I guess she feels completely helpless about her husband I feel bad for him, wife cheats on him and he’s about to get a bomb dropped on him 😥. Btw I have a huge crush on Jung Eun-chae rn she’s good looking and that’s probably why I’m invested in her relationship 😂
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Sunja totally mothering her grandson Solomon on date night was funny.
Ignorant question, but after watching Omnivore, it made it seem like at least in the paddies in Thailand, rice has labor intensive steps (planting/replanting/harvesting) but does not require constant tending, why is it different in those Japanese rice fields, or did I pick up the wrong impression from Omnivore?
In panchinko 2, Hansu loves his secret family more than his real family. Why?
Sure, poor families, yes. But by the standards of late-Joseon or early-occupation Korea...Sunja's family was solidly middle-class. Which...is really depressing but the years following the Treaty of Ganghwa were really the first time Korea ever began sniffing anything resembling the sort of "modern" market economy Japan had tried building since the 1600s and Europe a bit longer than that.
Husband is more hamdsome.
How did the barn catch on fire? They showed a snake slithering around so I'm not really sure what happened.