1:17 "why is it such a big thing to have a car drive like in real life?" You answered that question with the previous 2: Most people never drove a GT3 car, and most importantly most of us never will. Therefore, having having a simulation that will make people experience racing as closely as possible is an important factor for a sim. There's plenty of fun and "non-realistic" games out there; it would be nice to have at least one that resembles a real life racing car.
I totally agree. I think because I probably won’t ever drive a real GT3, it’s great to have a sim which simulates the behaviour and feeling a real car would give you. That’s why it’s called a simulation, because it’s supposed to simulate the real world.
Well said. Although both arguments are valid, I probably would lean towards your argument and in this regard ACC definitely wins over iRacing. Feels so much more detailed because of the higher refresh rate (nearly 7 times faster now)
When I first started playing ACC. It was on my series X. Pretty limited with FFB settings. It just didn't feel right. Too loose. So once I got it on PC, my 10 year old son had a pretty good idea. Him and I got in my car and drove around the block. I mean I drive obviously lol. But then came right back to my rig and made some little adjustments. Then repeated this a few more times. I gotta say, my sim wheel feels about as close to the steering in my Mazda 3 now. When I've spent hours in the rig and then jump off to run to the store, it actually feels familiar and seem less. I have upgraded stiffer suspension. My wheel base is a TH TS-XW with a Sparco 310. This may sound dumb or pointless to some people but I swear it has helped me get the rig setup perfectly for me. I adjusted the pedal and my seating position to mirror my real car. So, maybe someone else will give the same thing a try. I think outside of the G forces felt in your butt and body while in a real vehicle, that if you get all of your FFB settings figured out. It's about as close as one can get. I hoped on a friend's rig with iRacing (he has the exact same wheel base and similar setup) and iRacing felt kinda of hollow. Not nearly as connected where the digital rubber hits the road. It's a great sim, just feels dated. Anyway, yeah maybe tune your rig to feel like your real car. May help y'all get an even better feel. Enjoy your laps folks! 👍😎
If you want to call it a SIMULATION then having it drive, handle and behave like its real life counterparts is a very important part of the equation. There have been several actual real world drivers of Blancain GT3 series cars has stated that after a few adjustments ACC had the cars where they drove like their real life counterparts. To me that is about as good of an endorsement that a PC game could hope to obtain where it refers to realism. iRacing on the other hand in my opinion the cars in particular on cold tires remind me of almost trying to drive on icy roads. Yes grip levels are down as compared to full temp tires with the lower tire pressures and cold rubber but not to the degree of what it feels like in iRacing. Even ACC has is more correct there if you have ever driven on a race track on race rubber. iRacing may be the only game in town when it comes to oval racing or some classes of road racing but when it comes to gt3/gt4 racing ACC does the actual simulation of the cars better in my opinion which comes from watching the racing and the statements of some real world race drivers. As far as the online aspect and public races iRacing is better but it does also offer that at a premium cost for both purchasing the cars and track content and paying a monthly subscription fee to keep those purchases usable. With iRacing you never really own the content you only rent it as you must have an active subscription to use it even for offline use. That is my biggest gripe against iRacing, either sell the content for unlimited use on or offline OR require a subscription to play the game but requiring both is too far over the top and to much.
@@willdarling1 hehe, I asked myself the same question -> the icy character is an issue of lack of advancement regarding the tyre model/parameters. Not that I personally like or drive the GT3 class (I find it f*-*-*-*- boring), with newer models that issue is +/- solved.
I don't think iRacing is too pricey. I don't think people realise how much it costs to run so many servers and the staff to maintain them. Think about it. For 13$ per month you have daily races. Sometimes every other hour. And you only need to purchase the car you want to drive and the tracks needed for the series. Ofc if you want to drive absolutly everything, iRacing is expensive. But it is a multiplayer first sim. It's your choice how much you want to spend on it. No other sim delivers an online experience like iRacing. And btw. I only paid for like 3 months or so. It's not worth it for me. But i won't say it is too pricey.
@Da-zed wouldn't I be an idiot if I talk about realism when I have never driven a GT3 car in real life 😜? there are sooo many simracers who talk about realism when they have never driven a race car in their life ... I think that's a bit hypocritical :)
Being realistic is the number one thing because when a game is this deep and requires this amount of commitment you want the skills to be transferable to other games of that type, so the easiest way to get the sims to be a shared discipline is to have them all strive to be as close to reality as possible. It also has the benefit of having solid metrics for the developers to measure against. So yes being close to reality is the entire point regardless of wether the players will ever experience the real thing or care about it
I seem to be able to go back and forth from ACC and rF2 easily. Can't say the same about going from either of those and GT7 back and forth. So I agree with you.
One important Point is missing. VR. Iracing Looks so much sharper and better in VR than ACC with much better Performance. I only Drive in VR so this is a dealbraker for me in ACC. The only thing i really miss in Iracing is the insane sound of acc.
I feel like another point that should be made is weather. ACC has rain implemented which can make the racing itself more dynamic as you would have to readjust your electronic settings (ECU map, TC, ABS) and also determine if Wet or slicks are the best option too during your stint. iRacing doesn't have rain, which could make it seem like a hotlap simulator compared to ACC.
True, thats a plus for Acc for sure. Rain is coming to iracing tho. I like to think of Iracing as more of a huge league to be part of with a custom simulator, rather than a simulator by itself, thats the main thing about it.
@@Cagefighter I heard that for the past 10 years and every year, it is coming. ACC has dynamic weather and I did few endurance races on it and the changing weather from dry to rain to dry and back to rain was a real challenge on switching the right tires. I mean even AC modders has rain and you can get it for free.
Rain is coming to iracing but also when is the last time you have had a full lobby of people in the rain. Never. Also pro leagues don't race in rain and 90% of ACC leagues advertise they don't have rain races.
You're paying for the racing platform in iRacing. If you don't want a curated racing series where the intentional wreckers are banned from the platform, then don't pay the fee for iRacing. ACC is good but there are definitely reasons to shell out the money for iRacing.
@@DrProfSlugger In ACC you have a safety rating and can join a server with high safety requirements if you are that paranoid about being rammed. I usually just race in SA 50-70 servers. Some of the cleanest online racing I have ever taken part in. I also have very few servers in my area but I've found that even a 200 ping game is somehow playable. I usually try to stick to under 200 and there's plenty of those.
this right here is the kicker not only that but the fact id have to buy every track and car and go all the way threw the road class licensees. i already pay for 2 iracing accounts as it is so thats not the issue. buying 4 cars and 10 tracks all at 15 bucks is.. makes me rather just pick up acc while its onsale for road racing. oval will always be my jam but turning right and shifting can be fun too lmao. i just rather it be with competent drivers and not arcade racing.
Yeah it's a huge PLUS, I really appreciate ACC's pricing. There is regional pricing and I feel that leagues and simracing.gp somewhat make up for the online
I used to drive ACC, but switched to Iracing, Why? The online services are better at any time of day I can find a full race with people around my Skill Level.
Yeah ACC servers are usually dead and most of them that do have people in them are 200+ ping no matter what time of day, that’s one thing that really got me into iracing there’s a race every 5 minutes
Personally I think ACC takes the cake for me. Especially when you get in on Low Fuel Motorsports eco system (similar in how iRacing goes about things). I did iRacing for a year and couldn't stomach the costs associated with it. Its too darn expensive especially when I can only get in 4 hrs a week on a sim. The other issue I have when it comes to "sim racing" is that there is this notion that the cars have to be hard to drive. When going at a "comfortable" pace (lets say 90%) in a lot of sims (iRacing included) the car just feels on edge already. From personal experience in karting and formula cars that is just a weird thing and just isn't right. Generally, these cars feel on rails when running at 90% as it should but that 100% is when things feel on edge and your pushing the boundaries of what the vehicle can handle. ACC does a great job IMO where its easy to drive at 90% but things get much harder when maxing out. Also, ACC does a good job with curb usage as well. ACC doesn't let you get away with clobbering curbs but you can properly use your inside front tire on it to get that right rotation and weight transfer to get around fast. Other sims like iRacing you get one of two things when properly executing curb usage.... 1) the curb tosses the car outward essentially kicking you wide and likely in the grass on exit or 2) you get over come with oversteer and you get spun around almost immediately.
iRacing's lack of audio reflections is a place I would love to see them improve. Kudos to them with the new GT3 changes, the incoming graphics change, and how good their rain model looks so far - but adding audio reflections should be the next priority.
It's meant to be on the agenda. Though it didn't get released in the latest build for the final season of the year. Hopefully as a patch later on. Otherwise it'll be next year or later. The audio guy is pretty adamant that iRacing sounds the best though, which is great for confidence but not so great for hunger to improve. I remember the physics being the same way until it was made painfully obvious that they were talking out of their arse. That said, when they did address the tyres I think they did a great job.
@@layingblacklines Yes, I'm thankful for SRO moving to ACC and WEC moving to another platform: it forced iRacing to improve rather than stubbornly insist they were great when they weren't. It's not that iRacing sounds "bad" but missing environmental reflections even negatively affects their NASCAR series, because the sheer thunder those cars create at a plate race is not there - nor is the amazing sound of a field of 911 GT3 Cup cars at a small track like Barber.
@@backmarkerbob It's not just the reflections though. You can hear the engine note sounds almost synthesized in iRacing - where gear changes sound overly sharp and unnatural. The engine note has almost zero low frequencies emanating from it, which gives the car this nasally, thin tone. They sound like a vacuum cleaner. Honestly, i'd expect something that sounds like that from a game that came out a decade ago, Not in 2021. If the audio guy in iRacing is adamant they have the best sound out of the two, then they need to look at getting someone else. That kind of arrogance is what's holding them back IMO. Cars shouldn't sound static and artificial. They should make the hairs on your arms stand up. ACC audio is better, but even that isn't perfect.
You lost me when you said realism isn't important, in a sim game. The idea is to give people as close to a comparable experience to the real thing, it's supposed to be a literal simulation of the real physics, handling and performance of these cars.
Yeah but he never drove a GT3 car in real life, how useful really could he be? We might want to think he could give solid answers, but there are better people to talk to us about that.
I am not looking on video about 2 simulators comparing where you dont talk about realism... It is meant to be as realistic as possible and it is the main thing of the word simulator.... If you want a fun GT3 racing game you can go play GTA V mod some car to look a like GT3 and you will have fun destroying other cars with explosives.... Simulators are meant to be real not fun.You have fun in simulator if you like the game and thats absolutely a personal view so from me this is a no to this video
I do both. Honestly both are very close in terms of feel. ACC is fun to veg out with some single player action. I do spend more time in multiplayer, and ACC unfortunately is poor in this respect (both in quality of racing and the level of competition) so iRacing kind of wins it by default, but I think there is value in having both.
I disagree on the part you tell realism is not important. It is exactly because most people doesn't have the chance to drive a GT3 car in real life that is important to have a close experience, me for example I want to feel like driving a Ferrari without even touching one in real life.
iRacing get 5 points alone from the online racing experience.. there is nothing like it. It's just a matter of what are you looking for.. and thats why everyone drives on iracing 8out10 simracers. i think they just focus on twhat matters the most.
That is true, but there are so many leagues and even an entire 'iracing' eco system for acc you can find online. Iracing is more convenient in that, but you can all find it for acc as well.
ACC has the LFM league which has ELO and SR and they have races every hour for most of the day. I get it, it's a 3rd party system, but it works as well as iRacing without the extortionate price of admission. The iRacing pricing alone should disqualify it.
Im 100% iracing for the community and racing availability. ANYTIME, Ovals or road.. In my eyes ACC is still more of a casual video game.. were iracing tends to be more of a sim. I DO see the differences and WISH iracing WOULD ADAPT them... but still.. I'd go with iracing.
@@BodieMoto Says the guy with a sub 1000 iRating. I found ya on iRacing now and I was right about you. Typical "I tried iRacing, sucked at it, so the sim sucks" type of noob.
@@BodieMoto being C class has nothing to do with your iRating. Bodie N. Wont put your full last name :) from NE - C class with a 900 iRating. Last played 9/18/2021. Don't front and pretend its not you lol.
@@Vizual_Racing Why does it matter if someone's good or not? Real drivers have tried ACC and testify to how realistic it's simulation is. IRacing is great, the best online lobbies in sim racing, best ranking system, best oval racing, ect. ACC does one thing and does it great, GT3s in ACC are more realistic, just finding a way to race online is the tough part.
This is a misleading comparison because of the fact that limiting the content to GT3 captures 100% of ACC and like 12% of iracing. For that reason alone the comparison is null. Additionally, VR is a major part of the fun and experience of sim racing. The omission of VR and various car classes makes it seem like the video is trying to give ACC a chance to compete. I have both. I don't play ACC because I don't like the way the cars are animated (i.e. the cars skate because the wheels rotate at like 1/10 speed), the replays are limited/boring and the VR performance is crap even on my RTX3080. I really wish we had iracing race experience with ACC presentation. That would be something.
IRacing annoys the hell out of me because you buy all the content you need and because of the price paid you feel the need to spend more time playing to get your money's worth. It's at this point it stops being fun, then next season starts you need more content plus subscription fee. I own lots of content but decided I was just throwing more money all the time to the point where you have to keep up subscriptions or lose content I've already paid for, in the end I just cut my losses and was elated when LFM started up.
Historically, Kunos relied on community and modders to develop specific areas of their game's experience. And while with ACC and it's licensing this meant modders could not add any additional in-game content such as cars or tracks, solutions like The Sim Grid, Low Fuel Motorsport and simracing.gp stepped up to offer a more comprehensive experience of the open online racing, in addition to the more standard league racing. Given the amount of effort already put into these services, just like SRS did with AC1 and now RaceU continues to do at some extent, I don't think Kunos will try to compete in this area. And it's been 3 years since the game was launched and the development seems to slow down constantly as ACC reached a decent maturity level, so it's really too late for them to do anything about it that they didn't account for in the original project plan. At this point Kunos probably starts shifting the focus on the development of AC2 behind closed doors as the new game is announced to be released in 2024, which makes it even less probable that Kunos would make any major changes or new feature implementations in ACC in the future. For what is worth, ACC as it stands right now, is the final product that may only receive minor patches and bug fixes in the near future, until AC2 hits the shelves. That's at least my take on the matter.
Yes I'm 35 just got a serious rig but with CV1. AC has been incredible. 3070 Giga vision build. Crazy ram etc... Amazing real experience. After 2 month I bought ACC... Ive played it maybe 5 times... It's trash, confusing in VR, framerate choppy... Weird FFB... Feel easier to drive.
So Dan.. can we get a follow up video on, WHAT you would change.. and the feasibility of iracing actually making those changes? IF said changes were made.. then reevaluate your scores..?
Which one is more realistic is literally what people look for in a sim. If you don't consider that, how can you compare sims? Regardless of if people will ever drive GT3 in real life, consumers want the most authentic experience.
iRacing high price + irating and sr system makes one difference- nobody is racing for fun, there are no kids or idiots ramming everyone, nobody is malicious due to risk of ban after report. Every single race is full of tryhards- no casual players. It gives a nice feeling that you race in some league in real life (I am racing in real life also). This game is far more competitive than any other sim on the market. You do not sit into car for 1h per week to win anything in real life- the same in iRacing. You train for a few days for 3-4h per day to even start first race of the week to drive on the edge of the seat for 1h or 45minutes race for 110% of your comfort zone. After that you are all sweat, hearth is pumping blood as creazy during every start of the race. In ACC you race for nothing. In comparision I would play ACC if simracign would be just a relax after work. When you sank into it and you are racing for points, for results, not for fun- iRacing is the only option. ACC- great game and sim, great car feeling- cheap option. iRacing- great racing simulator and very expensive option for someone that is lacking money- for me in comparision to real trackday costs its nothing. I have almost all the sims on the market- and I always return to iRacing. It makes you frustrated, makes you scared about your evening. Makes you want to rip off you steering wheel of the rig and destroy screens. I already destroyed my Oculus after being collided in the end of very important 24h race. Only iRacing gives such an emotions- this is why this game even which crap visuals wins.
iRacing or ACC, I chose Raceroom... From the comparison above I would probably go for iRacing though as I will value accessibility of races to enter quite high once I think I'm ready for real races (Raceroom is not great in this departement either). I do already own ACC though... In ACC I have never been able to enter a race, partly because I ruined my safety rating in the campaign mode (I'm not sure I understood this part fully but I switched to Raceroom and have yet to come back to ACC). iRacing, however, has a horrible payment model so I have not tried that game at all and I do not think I will unless I'm 'forced' by some competition only available at that platform.
I drive a lot on track in real life and i’ve always thought that acc was just easy mode, far too forgiving at the limit, on the flip side iracing was artificially more difficult.. i think that boils down to the tyre model, for example when the gt3 cup porsche span, that was an obvious flaw in the tyre model at a specific point (slow corners) i wish they would get it right.. also on the grass and sand in iracing is like driving on ice, another huge irritation. I think if iracing could address those inconsistencies and make it a bit more forgiving (S4 gt3 tyres have done a good job here) then i think iRacing would (for me at least) be the leader in realism.. i like how in iracing you need to spend time with the cars and learn how they work before you are competitive. In acc you can just jump in anything and be quick straight away which i dont find that rewarding.
i get where you come from but to me ACC has this good old "easy to learn, hard to master" vibe going for itself. Yes its 'easy' to jump in and be reasonably fast, but with GT3 cars its all about the last 5% that you either can squeeze out of them or not, and thats where the learning curve gets very steep.
Yeah I don't agree, I don't think you can be quick right away. Like you can be okay but if you wanna be quick you have to put in some time with the car and track combos, the setups, the different track conditions, etc
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 I also play Iracing but I agree with you, the cars in ACC are very rewarding to master, haldle differently to one another. Same in Iracing tho, to be fair. But first they need your 11 dollars
99% of people in the comments have not driven a GT3 Car. I am brand new to both games. iRacing online setup is MASSIVE, I am someone who is highly interested in playing in a professional environment regardless of cost, with good online competition, rankings, etc. I have a controller right now, so I cannot vouch for anything to do with the vehicles handling but I will say that iracing is appearing to be more promising for the racing experience, online experience, and actually taking events and such. As far as ACC goes, it seems like a more forgiving potentially "less realistic" rear-end sliding, however, I have never driven the cars in real life so I really can't say anything but the "forgiveness" of ACC vehicles, as I have never driven a GT3 car I can't actually comment about it. In-case you guys missed it, the point behind this is if you haven't driven a GT3 car in real life on a track you should just shut the fuck up and play the game you enjoy most
Yea - the point here is with ACC you got only GT3 and GT4 cars - iRacing can give you so many different options and GT3/GT4 - driving alone ACC is looking better IMO but iRacing is getting there ! Racing online is on iRacing 100% but this comes with higher cost of using. I was skeptical at first but then I joined and its 9 years of constant racing - swapping series, taking a brakes to come back with stronger participation. Now I bought ACC but I guess it will be just offline racing for me - fun only, almost arcade like.
I love ACC in the beginning but there's something a little off of the graphics it's the way the car shakes and the surroundings pass by your eyes I don't know... I like iRacing better but because of the rain I would have chose ACC if it wasn't for the weird graphics
iRacing is good if you are serious about sim racing and want to compete against legit competitors. ACC is good if you want a more polished Forza GT3 experience and want a less serious experience.
I used to race ACC for a while. Really enjoyed it and found the racing to be good. Then I gave iRacing a go and I also have fun there. In the end I don't have much time so can only race one sim and that for me is iRacing. + I love the way the cars handle in iRacing. There's something about the tyres which feels very rF2 like. They're good in ACC too, but subjectively I do prefer the 911 GT3R in iRacing to the one in ACC. + When I finished a race in ACC (I had some good races there) I'd be let down by a feeling that it doesn't matter. For whatever reason, in iRacing I feel more achievement for placing well and it feels like it matters more. + I like that I get to race GT3 cars on more circuits. ACC has a good selection and some tracks that I'm gutted don't exist in iRacing (Misano, Kyalami..). But I just did a 40 minute race at sunset at Road Atlanta last night in the 911 and had a load of fun. + I like the 12 week seasons in iRacing and how you're at the same track for a week before moving to the next. Feels sort of like real racing. Rather than just using matchmaking to dump you into a server that is likely to be Spa or Monza. - The cost of iRacing rapes my wallet. With 2 small kids I have very little disposable income and iRacing hogs most of it. I get that they are an American company with American consumption needs. But bloody hell do they seem greedy at times. How do Kunos put in so much work and only charge us like £25 in a sale? iRacing costs me about £70 every 3 months and that's me being careful with the content I buy. - For whatever reason iRacing lacks the proximity sensor helicorsa thing. Really lets it down as some battles that would be door to door in ACC end up being 2 cars carefully leaving 20ft space between in iRacing. Or just crashing into each other like idiots.
@@fan2hd277 CSR Elite. The iRacing FFB model is pretty simple really, just like the model R3E have recently moved to. It's transparently letting you feel what the tyres are doing. So the reason iRacing feels different to R3E is because the tyre models themselves feel different. The iRacing tyre model is pretty decent these days. I played it years ago and honestly it was worse than Forza motorsport. But these days it's probably a step above rF2. Between ACC and iRacing it's sort of subjective as iRacing has the better tyres, but ACC has better aero, chassis and electronics. When did you last try iRacing?
@@layingblacklines i tried it after 6 months last week. It was like skiing on ice as always. Hitting a curb with the 488 is still hot. I was asking about the wheel because I had a CSW 2.5 and now a Simucube 2 Pro and its night and day and i guarantee you the FFB in iRacing is really bad compared to Raceroom and RF2. ACC is ok but not on par with the 2 other sims. Adding irFFB adds latency which is not ideal. Currently I‘m giving AMS2 a try and its a blast in VR. FFB is Ok but the cars feel too exited on track still room for improvement but i was very surprised.
@@fan2hd277 Yeah I don't use irFFB and my wheel only makes about 3Nm. It's the old Forza CSR, not a modern CSL which people sometimes confuse it for. I keep hearing iRacing is meant to come into it's own with a DD wheel so it's interesting you say the opposite. As a whole I think iRacing is the best game. But in terms of driving there is something about raceroom that I really like. Something 'quick' feeling about it. Where with iRacing your steering movements are quite smooth and slow, you sometimes have to work the wheel a little bit in R3E as you feel it at the edge of traction. Had some good fun in rF2 as well, but the rest of the game puts me off. iRacing to me handles very well these days and I'm really into the online racing there.
They haven’t even given ACC an update in 2 months and iRacing updates every week; a game that came out in 2008. I know Kunos is much smaller compared to iRacing devs but their online structure makes it busy online every single day where events rotate periodically, as where ACC you have to setup most of the leagues and lobbies such as CPs you race in.
Half of kunos their development team is working on ac2 already. Tbh very understanding considering acc is a one pay game and not a monthly subscription.
@@f1game912 half of every developer is working on their next game always so to me that’s a dumb excuse because there are smaller companies who still produce more work then the Kudos has made.
I think if iracing would offer you to just race offline using AI but with the same rules and licences has online they woul get more people involved with iracing i had a iracing account for 2 years and loved the sim but with work and family constraints i dont have much time to race. So having a iracing account for online would be a waste of money and also unfair to other drivers online becuase of my lack of racing online also if i had a offiline account i could still use the content i had purchsed and if i need to race online i could purchase the time on a month by month. Great Vid also thumbs up from me
1:08 I'm sorry but that is a fundamentally flawed argument. The reason why us "sim racers" care about realism is because WE WILL NEVER get to drive these cars in real life. That's why having an uber realistic sim racing title like ACC/iRacing/AMS2/rFactor2 combined with high end sim rigs gives us a glimpse into what it feels to be driving these race cars. If you just want to have fun without immersion, a G29+Forza is gonna do just fine. Anyone who's spending over 10k on a sim rig wants to experience realism. To suggest otherwise is just wrong.
I was all in with ACC for a lot of the same reasons. Then I got a VR headset and iracing made me a believer I have a decent 30 series card and 5000 series CPU but ACC looks terrible compared to iracing. plus I know at a specific time I can get a race in ACC your rolling the dice. I still do miss the sound of the pebbles hitting the underside of the car.
iRacing - +tyre, ++suspension, ++content, ++multiplayer, ++fps, ++triples, -+ffb, -+graphics, -sound. ACC - -tyre, -suspension, -content, -multiplayer, -fps, -triple monitor, ++ffb, ++graphics, ++sound. I'm the only one to see the difference just watching the replay, the car in acc looks like a brick without suspension, in iRacing it's a pleasure to see the suspension of the car, and i can feel the weight transfer. For me iRacing is quite superior, it just lacks in graphics and sound...
You forgot to add Iracing's terrible price structure. Acc will cost you less than 60buks. The same Iracing experience will cost 600 + you have that ongoing sub to even use your content.
AC is better than both. iRacing feels amazing but ACC it feels very arcade like, FFB is soft. I just bought it a few weeks ago. Ive played it just a few times, as it seems very chore like and stale driving. But AC I feel like I'm actually racing out here w GT3. The sounds etc.
I don't think this is an honest review. It's pretty biased. Even if iRacing has not in every serie all the tracks there are still a ton more tracks than on ACC. It's again an excuse to say ACC is better in this. Also realisme is also such an example but i don't want to be to negative but bit let down by the explanations you give. I play both sims. Still, love what your doing on your channel.
I only want to do multiplayer. And I love the SR and iRating System in iRacing. I, as a hobby driver, can win races against others in my skill-level. I don't have to race against aliens who will overtake me after ten laps ;) I've done this in leagues, but it is frustrating. So, for official servers, the SR. iRating is a big for iRacing. The next is, you find full grids in many series. Not in all, but in all series and all times I am racing. I also like the graphics more in iRacing (ok, some will disagree because its an old engine. But old is not always bad). ACC graphics is, as you said, too much. I never got a setting I like.
For me if you're after the GT3 experience than it's ACC all the way which is the question here. Sure the public online experience is better in iracing but if your half serious about ACC there's plenty of free leagues to join which is you can really put a championship together in a community. In terms of realism I suppose the one to answer that is James Baldwin and when he needed to make the transition from gamer to real life he used ACC.
Well, Iracing is using pretty much the same engine they used when they were still Papyrus, and that was the best one at the time...but that time was almost 20 years ago (probably more than 20 since they started working on it). You can update and update but unless you build a new engine there's no hope to compete with more modern and realistic sims. People may still love it because they played for years and you can drive many cars on many tracks if you're willing to go simracing under a bridge, but let's be honest, the only good thing about Iracing now is how they manage the multiplayer aspect. They should seriously build a new engine from scratch after all this time. Especially in terms of physics and how many things are simulated, the difference with ACC is simply embarassing at this point, and it will grow even bigger with the future sims in the next years.
It's not a problem if iRacing engine is "old". ACC is using the same engine Epic Games used in 1998 for Unreal. Since the engine has been updated and updated. The problem is resources and money that iRacing can put to improve their engine vs Epic Games.
@@ced64k UE is not even near what it was 25 years ago, and it's not and "x times updated" engine, many parts were rewritten from scratch through the years, and in ACC it's only one part of the game engine (and Kunos's physics engine too had to be completely rewritten to work with it and support a lot more things, in a way that is not an update of the one in AC, but is almost completely a new one). If they wanted to update the game to use UE5 they would need to rewrite almost everything again. Iracing's engine on the other end is pretty much the same they used in Nascar 2003 with minor updates in terms of graphics and physics. Like I said, it was the best at that time and the fact that they had no competitors since simracing had become a niche of a niche until few years ago, let them focus on the multiplayer architecture. But now things have changed. A lot. The bar is now set a lot higher. Kunos are a small studio (and look what they have achieved with limited resources) so they won't probably have the resources to build an equivalent multiplayer system, unless someone else will help them invest heavily in doing that, but who knows what could happen in a few years and how many studios will jump in now that simracing is so popular that even SRO/FIA and all the big names in motorsport have started investing so massively in it?
if it wasn't for realism, we wouldn't call this "simulation" racing. Those who don't want the most realistic experience and just want fun can go drive NFS or Forza. Very strange argument that made me downvote the video and stop watching it.
The main things ACC is lacking are Track Content and decent Online experience. Racing on ACC servers feels meaningless, it just lacks the gravitas and sense of event of an iRacing race. But, when one considers the massive cost difference, it is surprising ACC hasn't tried to capitalise with more DLC and a decent rating system that better rewards fair racing and season long commitment like iRacing. And btw, that stupid dirt fake smoke puff on ACC needs to go asap, it's pathetic.
Realism is a big point and nothing to do, if you ever dirve a gt3 car or fly an F16 ... thats why this games called simulation. It is, to give you the closet experience you can have . IRacing is an absolut rip off from money, why i boycott it out of principle and the graphics even look oldscool. ACC have everything you need.
Hmmm.... I guess.... I would just like to be able to race. And my wife will not cooperate, she has said no.... It's only a game. She is right with a non racing personality like hers, but for us who have racing fuel in our DNA it is more then a game.... So what do I do? ...... What I will do is do it anyway... It is better to ask forgiveness then to ask for permission. However I did kinda fuck that up, so as Nike logo says "JUST DO IT"
ACC takes way to much computing power. Mid range equipment produces a less than enjoyable visual. I have to turn rear view mirror down so much to get a livable experience that cars passing me come from nowhere then I can't tell whether they are overtaking left or right.
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 I have ACC. GT3 is cool, but not that cool. I plan on hanging up the iRacing, rarely go there anymore. Beam NG, AMS 2, and AC I find to be much more enjoyable. Beam NG, I literally am hooked. Raw fun, none of them hold a candle to Beam. For racing we will all pick the ones we finish highest with as a favorite. So I find that metric to almost not worth talking about. Of course all good his is 100% my opinion.
Then try to do a CP race at 1pm :-) I've had brilliant racing on the CP servers too later in the day, but it's just not even close to what iRacing has to offer.
Thanks for the video, but I’m stopping it at 1:20 and looking for another review, saying that realism is not important in a sim is not a good way to start a review. That’s actually the most important thing in a sim.
For me iRacing wins hands down. Jumping into ACC is like putting training wheels on your sim rig or entering an easy mode cheat for racing game. Overall ACC is a good title for people on a budget or for those who just want to be able to jump in the seat and be decent without the time investment it takes to truly master a car. But if you want real good and rewarding racing, iRacing is where it's at. I get the appeal of ACC. And like I said, it's not bad. It's just not on the same level as iRacing as an overall product.
More difficult is not more realistic. Gt3 cars are aimed towards gentleman drivers. They are designed to be drivable. At the absolute limit however they are hard to master. In that sense, iracing is a bit too difficult
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 You're 100% wrong. I've driven GT3 cars multiple times at Mid Ohio at race pace, and iRacing has a much more realistic feel for how the car acts at and over the limits. ACC is okay if you want training wheels to make it feel like you're not bad at sim racing. But the car does not feel like it's on rails IRL like it does on ACC. There is a reason iRacings lap times are far closer to their real life counterparts than ACC.
@@MM-mx8sr Literally one who constantly bitches said differently. And he only said it because he cries like a girl every time he gets beat in the sim. Yet he still runs it over any other sim. Is it identical to real life? No, is it closer than ACC? 100%. And the two are not even close in comparison. Also, reading comprehension must be hard for you. I never said it's "real" because it's harder to drive. I said it's MORE realistic because the car acts more like it does in real life both close to, at, and going over the limit of the care/tire. GT3 cars are not easy to drive at race pace, otherwise everybody would do it. Kind of like how everybody can be decent at ACC just jumping into the car. It's too forgiving.
Acc only seems to use 10 percent of the power my wheel is capable of so iRacing always wins for me. Doesn't matter how good acc is for me, if you don't have a dd wheelbase you might as well be using a bungee cord wheel.
ACC is the most realistic, according to drivers themselves, James Baldwin I think is the best example, he always says on his videos that ACC is the most realistic GT3 sim, and he drove a 720s GT3 IRL, so he knows what he's talking about, and also Nicky Thiim said that it is the most realistic
Done both iRacing and ACC. The thing where iRacing hits a homerun is indeed the online system. Currently there are 2 full time series where GT3-drivers can compete. One is a sprint series with races lasting around 40 minutes and IMSA where races take around 45 and sometimes 60, depending on the 12 week based season. Race starts are every 2 hours. So if 'Race A' starts at 13.45 , 'Race 2' starts at 15.45. Where ACC hits it out of the ball park is the sheer experience of racing these cars. "Feel, sound, visuals" are on a powerlevel over 9000. And now for the blunders, where unfortunately for iRacers, iRacing just has a tad too many of. Pricing is awful! From subscription to buying a car, all tracks to race, prices for setups from providers to be SOMEWHAT competitive are skyrocketing as well and the baseline setup iRacing offers, will not get you anywhere I'm afraid. Building your own setup might take you so much time practicing you will barely make to get a race in before the week is over to get that rating that was praised in this video. The backslides in iRacing are awful as well. iRacing isn't dubbed 'iCeRacing' affectionately/mockingly without a reason. ACC has blunders too, just not as prevalent to the racing itself, but more to the stuff around it. Licensing is one of them and while making/downloading favorite custom liveries is possible, your options are limited and not as streamlined as anyone would like. Blunder 2 is the online service, it feels hollow and useless. Sure, you can join a league through obscure and hidden away forums and that's all fine and dandy but when I want to race 12 to 28 random strangers on a certain point of the day, I want it to mean something, I want competitive rankings, rankings based on safety, stats, records, personal bests, all-time best laptimes. These are just not present in ACC in any meaningful way. So these were the biggest hits and misses from both ACC and iRacing. I hope you are better informed after having read this and if you have any questions, I will look forward to some of the replies down below. Cheers!
100% agree. I wish ACC had an online system similar to iracing, I know it would be a massive money investment for kunos, but iracing has shown that sim racers are willing to pay a subscription for the online racing for the company to maintain online severs and upkeep. If ACC was able to do that without charging for each car and track like iracing it would be a homerun. I don't know what's holding them back from doing it?
Would just like to point out Low Fuel Motorsport. Its light years ahead of the included system but it's a pain to register before a race for me bc my time to race is sporadic.
New sim racer here - literally the subscription model is what kept me away from Iracing, maybe in the future but for now I love paying once buying once with DLCs
I have never tried iRacing and I probably never will due to the hefty price tag. I've been playing ACC for a few months and honestly, it's the only game I need. Edit: I actually bought iRacing because of how good my friends said the online system is. Whilst that is true, the FFB of cars isn't as good as in ACC and I am yet to purchase any extra cars/tracks apart from what I have from the base-game content.
@@jcsquared1111 This is true! Irfbb is a small program wich will change the game. I am also trying out Iracing for now, I played acc in the past but never got into LFM wich may hold a candle to Iracing`s online system so I will also try that. Both are expensive imo, but Iracing definetely is too expensive lol. I think of it more as if it was a premium costly league I am part of, with leagues inside it. I love that part. But it kind of doesnt matter tha amount of content Iracing offers when its so expensive, I also am only using the free content for now. To be fair, the free content is actually quite vast, the problem is you will always be racing rookies. Do people race GT4 in LFM? Its actually the series im most interested in. Also porsche cup.
@@eduardofreitas8336 Even with irfbb for iracing, it is still I think 360hz compare acc to 400 hz natively where irfbb is not natively which means there is a lag. People do race in GT4 I. Lfm. It is very competitive and people are good.
@@TTSClips for a system that charges you a service fee a year, the game should come free! It’s like buying a Netflix app only to pay their service to stream content…
Great video - one aspect that's important for me (you touched on it re tracks) is the pricing models. Everyone will be different, but it's a huge factor for me in preferring ACC for GT3 over iRacing.
1:17 "why is it such a big thing to have a car drive like in real life?" You answered that question with the previous 2: Most people never drove a GT3 car, and most importantly most of us never will. Therefore, having having a simulation that will make people experience racing as closely as possible is an important factor for a sim. There's plenty of fun and "non-realistic" games out there; it would be nice to have at least one that resembles a real life racing car.
I totally agree. I think because I probably won’t ever drive a real GT3, it’s great to have a sim which simulates the behaviour and feeling a real car would give you. That’s why it’s called a simulation, because it’s supposed to simulate the real world.
Well said. Although both arguments are valid, I probably would lean towards your argument and in this regard ACC definitely wins over iRacing. Feels so much more detailed because of the higher refresh rate (nearly 7 times faster now)
100% the most important aspect.. we all want to know that our sim racing experience counts for something in the real world
When I first started playing ACC. It was on my series X. Pretty limited with FFB settings. It just didn't feel right. Too loose. So once I got it on PC, my 10 year old son had a pretty good idea. Him and I got in my car and drove around the block. I mean I drive obviously lol. But then came right back to my rig and made some little adjustments. Then repeated this a few more times. I gotta say, my sim wheel feels about as close to the steering in my Mazda 3 now. When I've spent hours in the rig and then jump off to run to the store, it actually feels familiar and seem less. I have upgraded stiffer suspension. My wheel base is a TH TS-XW with a Sparco 310. This may sound dumb or pointless to some people but I swear it has helped me get the rig setup perfectly for me. I adjusted the pedal and my seating position to mirror my real car. So, maybe someone else will give the same thing a try. I think outside of the G forces felt in your butt and body while in a real vehicle, that if you get all of your FFB settings figured out. It's about as close as one can get. I hoped on a friend's rig with iRacing (he has the exact same wheel base and similar setup) and iRacing felt kinda of hollow. Not nearly as connected where the digital rubber hits the road. It's a great sim, just feels dated. Anyway, yeah maybe tune your rig to feel like your real car. May help y'all get an even better feel. Enjoy your laps folks! 👍😎
True, but how would you know?
If you want to call it a SIMULATION then having it drive, handle and behave like its real life counterparts is a very important part of the equation.
There have been several actual real world drivers of Blancain GT3 series cars has stated that after a few adjustments ACC had the cars where they drove like their real life counterparts.
To me that is about as good of an endorsement that a PC game could hope to obtain where it refers to realism.
iRacing on the other hand in my opinion the cars in particular on cold tires remind me of almost trying to drive on icy roads.
Yes grip levels are down as compared to full temp tires with the lower tire pressures and cold rubber but not to the degree of what it feels like in iRacing. Even ACC has is more correct there if you have ever driven on a race track on race rubber.
iRacing may be the only game in town when it comes to oval racing or some classes of road racing but when it comes to gt3/gt4 racing ACC does the actual simulation of the cars better in my opinion which comes from watching the racing and the statements of some real world race drivers.
As far as the online aspect and public races iRacing is better but it does also offer that at a premium cost for both purchasing the cars and track content and paying a monthly subscription fee to keep those purchases usable.
With iRacing you never really own the content you only rent it as you must have an active subscription to use it even for offline use.
That is my biggest gripe against iRacing, either sell the content for unlimited use on or offline OR require a subscription to play the game but requiring both is too far over the top and to much.
just out of curiosity, when was the last time you drove in iRacing ?
@@willdarling1 hehe, I asked myself the same question -> the icy character is an issue of lack of advancement regarding the tyre model/parameters. Not that I personally like or drive the GT3 class (I find it f*-*-*-*- boring), with newer models that issue is +/- solved.
I don't think iRacing is too pricey. I don't think people realise how much it costs to run so many servers and the staff to maintain them. Think about it. For 13$ per month you have daily races. Sometimes every other hour. And you only need to purchase the car you want to drive and the tracks needed for the series. Ofc if you want to drive absolutly everything, iRacing is expensive. But it is a multiplayer first sim. It's your choice how much you want to spend on it. No other sim delivers an online experience like iRacing.
And btw. I only paid for like 3 months or so. It's not worth it for me. But i won't say it is too pricey.
Yeah after hearing he’s not comparing it I stopped the video. A simulation should be as realistic as possible.
@Da-zed wouldn't I be an idiot if I talk about realism when I have never driven a GT3 car in real life 😜? there are sooo many simracers who talk about realism when they have never driven a race car in their life ... I think that's a bit hypocritical :)
Being realistic is the number one thing because when a game is this deep and requires this amount of commitment you want the skills to be transferable to other games of that type, so the easiest way to get the sims to be a shared discipline is to have them all strive to be as close to reality as possible. It also has the benefit of having solid metrics for the developers to measure against. So yes being close to reality is the entire point regardless of wether the players will ever experience the real thing or care about it
I seem to be able to go back and forth from ACC and rF2 easily. Can't say the same about going from either of those and GT7 back and forth. So I agree with you.
One important Point is missing. VR. Iracing Looks so much sharper and better in VR than ACC with much better Performance. I only Drive in VR so this is a dealbraker for me in ACC. The only thing i really miss in Iracing is the insane sound of acc.
Have you try this mod? th-cam.com/video/tOdtbiL8RLY/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=JaytonaVirtualRacing
I feel like another point that should be made is weather. ACC has rain implemented which can make the racing itself more dynamic as you would have to readjust your electronic settings (ECU map, TC, ABS) and also determine if Wet or slicks are the best option too during your stint. iRacing doesn't have rain, which could make it seem like a hotlap simulator compared to ACC.
Rain us coming in iracing
True, thats a plus for Acc for sure. Rain is coming to iracing tho. I like to think of Iracing as more of a huge league to be part of with a custom simulator, rather than a simulator by itself, thats the main thing about it.
@@Cagefighter I heard that for the past 10 years and every year, it is coming. ACC has dynamic weather and I did few endurance races on it and the changing weather from dry to rain to dry and back to rain was a real challenge on switching the right tires. I mean even AC modders has rain and you can get it for free.
Rain is coming to iracing but also when is the last time you have had a full lobby of people in the rain. Never. Also pro leagues don't race in rain and 90% of ACC leagues advertise they don't have rain races.
I love the sounds of ACC and love fighting the car 😀
Also on iRacing you have to pay monthly to be able to play while ACC only has a one off cost!
You're paying for the racing platform in iRacing. If you don't want a curated racing series where the intentional wreckers are banned from the platform, then don't pay the fee for iRacing.
ACC is good but there are definitely reasons to shell out the money for iRacing.
@@DrProfSlugger Yeah I agree. I love ACC but the online is so sheit in my region. Only 5 people on average do the CP races lol
@@DrProfSlugger In ACC you have a safety rating and can join a server with high safety requirements if you are that paranoid about being rammed. I usually just race in SA 50-70 servers. Some of the cleanest online racing I have ever taken part in. I also have very few servers in my area but I've found that even a 200 ping game is somehow playable. I usually try to stick to under 200 and there's plenty of those.
this right here is the kicker not only that but the fact id have to buy every track and car and go all the way threw the road class licensees. i already pay for 2 iracing accounts as it is so thats not the issue. buying 4 cars and 10 tracks all at 15 bucks is.. makes me rather just pick up acc while its onsale for road racing. oval will always be my jam but turning right and shifting can be fun too lmao. i just rather it be with competent drivers and not arcade racing.
The pricing is also a pretty big plus for ACC imo
Yeah it's a huge PLUS, I really appreciate ACC's pricing. There is regional pricing and I feel that leagues and simracing.gp somewhat make up for the online
I used to drive ACC, but switched to Iracing, Why? The online services are better at any time of day I can find a full race with people around my Skill Level.
Yeah ACC servers are usually dead and most of them that do have people in them are 200+ ping no matter what time of day, that’s one thing that really got me into iracing there’s a race every 5 minutes
Hmm I see lots of filled servers almost all the time in ACC. Never tried iRacing, cant afford it.
@@Scientist-exe They maybe filled but half that Grid is aliens, in iRacing I get put in a split with people close to my Rating.
Personally I think ACC takes the cake for me. Especially when you get in on Low Fuel Motorsports eco system (similar in how iRacing goes about things). I did iRacing for a year and couldn't stomach the costs associated with it. Its too darn expensive especially when I can only get in 4 hrs a week on a sim. The other issue I have when it comes to "sim racing" is that there is this notion that the cars have to be hard to drive. When going at a "comfortable" pace (lets say 90%) in a lot of sims (iRacing included) the car just feels on edge already. From personal experience in karting and formula cars that is just a weird thing and just isn't right. Generally, these cars feel on rails when running at 90% as it should but that 100% is when things feel on edge and your pushing the boundaries of what the vehicle can handle. ACC does a great job IMO where its easy to drive at 90% but things get much harder when maxing out. Also, ACC does a good job with curb usage as well. ACC doesn't let you get away with clobbering curbs but you can properly use your inside front tire on it to get that right rotation and weight transfer to get around fast. Other sims like iRacing you get one of two things when properly executing curb usage.... 1) the curb tosses the car outward essentially kicking you wide and likely in the grass on exit or 2) you get over come with oversteer and you get spun around almost immediately.
iRacing's lack of audio reflections is a place I would love to see them improve. Kudos to them with the new GT3 changes, the incoming graphics change, and how good their rain model looks so far - but adding audio reflections should be the next priority.
It's meant to be on the agenda. Though it didn't get released in the latest build for the final season of the year. Hopefully as a patch later on. Otherwise it'll be next year or later. The audio guy is pretty adamant that iRacing sounds the best though, which is great for confidence but not so great for hunger to improve. I remember the physics being the same way until it was made painfully obvious that they were talking out of their arse. That said, when they did address the tyres I think they did a great job.
@@layingblacklines Yes, I'm thankful for SRO moving to ACC and WEC moving to another platform: it forced iRacing to improve rather than stubbornly insist they were great when they weren't. It's not that iRacing sounds "bad" but missing environmental reflections even negatively affects their NASCAR series, because the sheer thunder those cars create at a plate race is not there - nor is the amazing sound of a field of 911 GT3 Cup cars at a small track like Barber.
@@backmarkerbob It's not just the reflections though. You can hear the engine note sounds almost synthesized in iRacing - where gear changes sound overly sharp and unnatural. The engine note has almost zero low frequencies emanating from it, which gives the car this nasally, thin tone. They sound like a vacuum cleaner.
Honestly, i'd expect something that sounds like that from a game that came out a decade ago, Not in 2021.
If the audio guy in iRacing is adamant they have the best sound out of the two, then they need to look at getting someone else. That kind of arrogance is what's holding them back IMO. Cars shouldn't sound static and artificial. They should make the hairs on your arms stand up. ACC audio is better, but even that isn't perfect.
What graphics change?
You lost me when you said realism isn't important, in a sim game. The idea is to give people as close to a comparable experience to the real thing, it's supposed to be a literal simulation of the real physics, handling and performance of these cars.
Yeah but he never drove a GT3 car in real life, how useful really could he be? We might want to think he could give solid answers, but there are better people to talk to us about that.
Not related to the racing itself but one thing I didn't like about iRacing when I tried it, was that the UI looked pretty outdated and confusing.
I am not looking on video about 2 simulators comparing where you dont talk about realism... It is meant to be as realistic as possible and it is the main thing of the word simulator.... If you want a fun GT3 racing game you can go play GTA V mod some car to look a like GT3 and you will have fun destroying other cars with explosives.... Simulators are meant to be real not fun.You have fun in simulator if you like the game and thats absolutely a personal view so from me this is a no to this video
I do both. Honestly both are very close in terms of feel. ACC is fun to veg out with some single player action. I do spend more time in multiplayer, and ACC unfortunately is poor in this respect (both in quality of racing and the level of competition) so iRacing kind of wins it by default, but I think there is value in having both.
I disagree on the part you tell realism is not important. It is exactly because most people doesn't have the chance to drive a GT3 car in real life that is important to have a close experience, me for example I want to feel like driving a Ferrari without even touching one in real life.
iRacing get 5 points alone from the online racing experience.. there is nothing like it. It's just a matter of what are you looking for.. and thats why everyone drives on iracing 8out10 simracers. i think they just focus on twhat matters the most.
That is true, but there are so many leagues and even an entire 'iracing' eco system for acc you can find online.
Iracing is more convenient in that, but you can all find it for acc as well.
ACC has the LFM league which has ELO and SR and they have races every hour for most of the day. I get it, it's a 3rd party system, but it works as well as iRacing without the extortionate price of admission. The iRacing pricing alone should disqualify it.
Im 100% iracing for the community and racing availability. ANYTIME, Ovals or road.. In my eyes ACC is still more of a casual video game.. were iracing tends to be more of a sim. I DO see the differences and WISH iracing WOULD ADAPT them... but still.. I'd go with iracing.
ACC is far more of a simulation lol iracing has more players BECAUSE its a game lol
@@BodieMoto Says the guy with a sub 1000 iRating. I found ya on iRacing now and I was right about you. Typical "I tried iRacing, sucked at it, so the sim sucks" type of noob.
@@Vizual_Racing what? I'm c class and I barely play, you found the wrong guy
@@BodieMoto being C class has nothing to do with your iRating.
Bodie N. Wont put your full last name :) from NE - C class with a 900 iRating. Last played 9/18/2021.
Don't front and pretend its not you lol.
@@Vizual_Racing Why does it matter if someone's good or not? Real drivers have tried ACC and testify to how realistic it's simulation is. IRacing is great, the best online lobbies in sim racing, best ranking system, best oval racing, ect.
ACC does one thing and does it great, GT3s in ACC are more realistic, just finding a way to race online is the tough part.
This was a spicy one ... I probably get the question "which one is better" like at least 5 times per stream 😅
Hey dan, do you like iRacing or ACC more? Comparing iRacing vs ACC which is best? Why do you hate ACC? Why do you hate iRacing
I’m little confused you say ACC is better but I think you play Iracing more 😂🤣
Don’t you play iracing more though ?
@@f1o7x9 Watch again, especially the part about multiplayer and playing ACC early in the day ... :P Also keep in mind that iRacing is not GT3 only :)
That’s because people can’t decide themselves which title they prefer which is imo pretty sad. ACC physics wise. All the rest iRacing for me.
hmm... realism should be top in the ranks! strive to provide an accurate representation of racing GT3 by using the most "correct" physics approach.
Have you ever driven a real GT3 car? How can you and what are you compare it with if you have never driven a real GT3 car?
This is a misleading comparison because of the fact that limiting the content to GT3 captures 100% of ACC and like 12% of iracing. For that reason alone the comparison is null.
Additionally, VR is a major part of the fun and experience of sim racing. The omission of VR and various car classes makes it seem like the video is trying to give ACC a chance to compete.
I have both. I don't play ACC because I don't like the way the cars are animated (i.e. the cars skate because the wheels rotate at like 1/10 speed), the replays are limited/boring and the VR performance is crap even on my RTX3080.
I really wish we had iracing race experience with ACC presentation. That would be something.
He clearly states, 'which is better for GT3 racing'
IRacing annoys the hell out of me because you buy all the content you need and because of the price paid you feel the need to spend more time playing to get your money's worth. It's at this point it stops being fun, then next season starts you need more content plus subscription fee. I own lots of content but decided I was just throwing more money all the time to the point where you have to keep up subscriptions or lose content I've already paid for, in the end I just cut my losses and was elated when LFM started up.
You should mention the price for Iracing that you need to buy the cars? And monthly subscription fees too
How do we get kunos to give us a more structured, goal orientated online system?
Historically, Kunos relied on community and modders to develop specific areas of their game's experience. And while with ACC and it's licensing this meant modders could not add any additional in-game content such as cars or tracks, solutions like The Sim Grid, Low Fuel Motorsport and simracing.gp stepped up to offer a more comprehensive experience of the open online racing, in addition to the more standard league racing. Given the amount of effort already put into these services, just like SRS did with AC1 and now RaceU continues to do at some extent, I don't think Kunos will try to compete in this area. And it's been 3 years since the game was launched and the development seems to slow down constantly as ACC reached a decent maturity level, so it's really too late for them to do anything about it that they didn't account for in the original project plan. At this point Kunos probably starts shifting the focus on the development of AC2 behind closed doors as the new game is announced to be released in 2024, which makes it even less probable that Kunos would make any major changes or new feature implementations in ACC in the future. For what is worth, ACC as it stands right now, is the final product that may only receive minor patches and bug fixes in the near future, until AC2 hits the shelves. That's at least my take on the matter.
Forgot to mention VR support/performance - ACC is utter trash in that area compared to iRacing. It's a pity they didn't learn from the original AC.
Yes I'm 35 just got a serious rig but with CV1. AC has been incredible. 3070 Giga vision build. Crazy ram etc... Amazing real experience.
After 2 month I bought ACC... Ive played it maybe 5 times... It's trash, confusing in VR, framerate choppy... Weird FFB... Feel easier to drive.
the fact i can race so many different things in iracing is what does it for me
Well, AC blows iracing away in regards to variety of cars and tracks with mods. The best thing is, they are all FREE.
@@David-nb2bc yeah the original ac is my favourite car game, acc not so much
I can’t wait for Jan 21st for my computer to get here so I can finally try ACC and IRacing
Enjoy it when the time comes! 🙏
I always say should a gt3 Porsche one of the best handling cars in the world should be hard to handle? That's why I play ACC.
i find it way easier in iracing than acc, but it also depends on the setup
“realism isn’t that important”
tf is the point of a simulator if it’s not realistic
iRacing's cost + also a subscription model on top ! (WTF) grants another point for ACC imo... iRacing has the ring though
So Dan.. can we get a follow up video on, WHAT you would change.. and the feasibility of iracing actually making those changes? IF said changes were made.. then reevaluate your scores..?
Which one is more realistic is literally what people look for in a sim. If you don't consider that, how can you compare sims? Regardless of if people will ever drive GT3 in real life, consumers want the most authentic experience.
iRacing high price + irating and sr system makes one difference- nobody is racing for fun, there are no kids or idiots ramming everyone, nobody is malicious due to risk of ban after report. Every single race is full of tryhards- no casual players. It gives a nice feeling that you race in some league in real life (I am racing in real life also). This game is far more competitive than any other sim on the market. You do not sit into car for 1h per week to win anything in real life- the same in iRacing. You train for a few days for 3-4h per day to even start first race of the week to drive on the edge of the seat for 1h or 45minutes race for 110% of your comfort zone. After that you are all sweat, hearth is pumping blood as creazy during every start of the race. In ACC you race for nothing. In comparision I would play ACC if simracign would be just a relax after work. When you sank into it and you are racing for points, for results, not for fun- iRacing is the only option. ACC- great game and sim, great car feeling- cheap option. iRacing- great racing simulator and very expensive option for someone that is lacking money- for me in comparision to real trackday costs its nothing. I have almost all the sims on the market- and I always return to iRacing. It makes you frustrated, makes you scared about your evening. Makes you want to rip off you steering wheel of the rig and destroy screens. I already destroyed my Oculus after being collided in the end of very important 24h race. Only iRacing gives such an emotions- this is why this game even which crap visuals wins.
iRacing or ACC, I chose Raceroom...
From the comparison above I would probably go for iRacing though as I will value accessibility of races to enter quite high once I think I'm ready for real races (Raceroom is not great in this departement either). I do already own ACC though...
In ACC I have never been able to enter a race, partly because I ruined my safety rating in the campaign mode (I'm not sure I understood this part fully but I switched to Raceroom and have yet to come back to ACC). iRacing, however, has a horrible payment model so I have not tried that game at all and I do not think I will unless I'm 'forced' by some competition only available at that platform.
If you have an entry level steering wheel, you should definitely try ACC. That game makes you feel your T150 like a Fanatec.
WOW. You made some very good points! I think Asseto takes the cake here. The only real downside is queue times probably.
I drive a lot on track in real life and i’ve always thought that acc was just easy mode, far too forgiving at the limit, on the flip side iracing was artificially more difficult.. i think that boils down to the tyre model, for example when the gt3 cup porsche span, that was an obvious flaw in the tyre model at a specific point (slow corners) i wish they would get it right.. also on the grass and sand in iracing is like driving on ice, another huge irritation. I think if iracing could address those inconsistencies and make it a bit more forgiving (S4 gt3 tyres have done a good job here) then i think iRacing would (for me at least) be the leader in realism.. i like how in iracing you need to spend time with the cars and learn how they work before you are competitive. In acc you can just jump in anything and be quick straight away which i dont find that rewarding.
i get where you come from but to me ACC has this good old "easy to learn, hard to master" vibe going for itself. Yes its 'easy' to jump in and be reasonably fast, but with GT3 cars its all about the last 5% that you either can squeeze out of them or not, and thats where the learning curve gets very steep.
Yeah I don't agree, I don't think you can be quick right away. Like you can be okay but if you wanna be quick you have to put in some time with the car and track combos, the setups, the different track conditions, etc
@@th3orist ACC is anything but easy to learn, hard to master. It's one of the most difficult sims out there.
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 I also play Iracing but I agree with you, the cars in ACC are very rewarding to master, haldle differently to one another. Same in Iracing tho, to be fair. But first they need your 11 dollars
If we put realism out, I think old AC wins with both above games xD
99% of people in the comments have not driven a GT3 Car.
I am brand new to both games. iRacing online setup is MASSIVE, I am someone who is highly interested in playing in a professional environment regardless of cost, with good online competition, rankings, etc. I have a controller right now, so I cannot vouch for anything to do with the vehicles handling but I will say that iracing is appearing to be more promising for the racing experience, online experience, and actually taking events and such.
As far as ACC goes, it seems like a more forgiving potentially "less realistic" rear-end sliding, however, I have never driven the cars in real life so I really can't say anything but the "forgiveness" of ACC vehicles, as I have never driven a GT3 car I can't actually comment about it.
In-case you guys missed it, the point behind this is if you haven't driven a GT3 car in real life on a track you should just shut the fuck up and play the game you enjoy most
Answer this question with a question. As not all suits fit all people the same? Ask yourself, "Which sim do I enjoy the most"?
It's never a contest when one game requires you to buy each track separately and has a monthly subscription ontop of that...
ACC is awesome
Regarding the setup, iRacing is clearly the winner, because it provides very good setups to the users.
ACC for GT3/GT4, iracing for GTE ( But don't forget about Rf2 it's a good games too but nobody there :( )
Yea - the point here is with ACC you got only GT3 and GT4 cars - iRacing can give you so many different options and GT3/GT4 - driving alone ACC is looking better IMO but iRacing is getting there ! Racing online is on iRacing 100% but this comes with higher cost of using. I was skeptical at first but then I joined and its 9 years of constant racing - swapping series, taking a brakes to come back with stronger participation. Now I bought ACC but I guess it will be just offline racing for me - fun only, almost arcade like.
I love ACC in the beginning but there's something a little off of the graphics it's the way the car shakes and the surroundings pass by your eyes I don't know... I like iRacing better but because of the rain I would have chose ACC if it wasn't for the weird graphics
I race GT3 on ACC and open wheel on IRacing.
The biggest con for iracing is the bad ffb. on high end wheel bases cars feel like hovercrafts. it's lacking so many information.
iRacing is good if you are serious about sim racing and want to compete against legit competitors. ACC is good if you want a more polished Forza GT3 experience and want a less serious experience.
I used to race ACC for a while. Really enjoyed it and found the racing to be good. Then I gave iRacing a go and I also have fun there. In the end I don't have much time so can only race one sim and that for me is iRacing.
+ I love the way the cars handle in iRacing. There's something about the tyres which feels very rF2 like. They're good in ACC too, but subjectively I do prefer the 911 GT3R in iRacing to the one in ACC.
+ When I finished a race in ACC (I had some good races there) I'd be let down by a feeling that it doesn't matter. For whatever reason, in iRacing I feel more achievement for placing well and it feels like it matters more.
+ I like that I get to race GT3 cars on more circuits. ACC has a good selection and some tracks that I'm gutted don't exist in iRacing (Misano, Kyalami..). But I just did a 40 minute race at sunset at Road Atlanta last night in the 911 and had a load of fun.
+ I like the 12 week seasons in iRacing and how you're at the same track for a week before moving to the next. Feels sort of like real racing. Rather than just using matchmaking to dump you into a server that is likely to be Spa or Monza.
- The cost of iRacing rapes my wallet. With 2 small kids I have very little disposable income and iRacing hogs most of it. I get that they are an American company with American consumption needs. But bloody hell do they seem greedy at times. How do Kunos put in so much work and only charge us like £25 in a sale? iRacing costs me about £70 every 3 months and that's me being careful with the content I buy.
- For whatever reason iRacing lacks the proximity sensor helicorsa thing. Really lets it down as some battles that would be door to door in ACC end up being 2 cars carefully leaving 20ft space between in iRacing. Or just crashing into each other like idiots.
what wheelbase do you have? because iRacing has the worst FFB model of all
@@fan2hd277 CSR Elite. The iRacing FFB model is pretty simple really, just like the model R3E have recently moved to. It's transparently letting you feel what the tyres are doing. So the reason iRacing feels different to R3E is because the tyre models themselves feel different. The iRacing tyre model is pretty decent these days. I played it years ago and honestly it was worse than Forza motorsport. But these days it's probably a step above rF2. Between ACC and iRacing it's sort of subjective as iRacing has the better tyres, but ACC has better aero, chassis and electronics. When did you last try iRacing?
@@layingblacklines i tried it after 6 months last week. It was like skiing on ice as always. Hitting a curb with the 488 is still hot. I was asking about the wheel because I had a CSW 2.5 and now a Simucube 2 Pro and its night and day and i guarantee you the FFB in iRacing is really bad compared to Raceroom and RF2. ACC is ok but not on par with the 2 other sims. Adding irFFB adds latency which is not ideal. Currently I‘m giving AMS2 a try and its a blast in VR. FFB is Ok but the cars feel too exited on track still room for improvement but i was very surprised.
@@fan2hd277 Yeah I don't use irFFB and my wheel only makes about 3Nm. It's the old Forza CSR, not a modern CSL which people sometimes confuse it for. I keep hearing iRacing is meant to come into it's own with a DD wheel so it's interesting you say the opposite. As a whole I think iRacing is the best game. But in terms of driving there is something about raceroom that I really like. Something 'quick' feeling about it. Where with iRacing your steering movements are quite smooth and slow, you sometimes have to work the wheel a little bit in R3E as you feel it at the edge of traction. Had some good fun in rF2 as well, but the rest of the game puts me off. iRacing to me handles very well these days and I'm really into the online racing there.
ACC is hands down best for sound quality.
Wish I could get in to acc but I can never get the feel right iracing just make it easy to drive
Graphics and sense of speeds -> ACC. Realism and wheel detail -> IRacing
They haven’t even given ACC an update in 2 months and iRacing updates every week; a game that came out in 2008. I know Kunos is much smaller compared to iRacing devs but their online structure makes it busy online every single day where events rotate periodically, as where ACC you have to setup most of the leagues and lobbies such as CPs you race in.
Half of kunos their development team is working on ac2 already. Tbh very understanding considering acc is a one pay game and not a monthly subscription.
@@f1game912 half of every developer is working on their next game always so to me that’s a dumb excuse because there are smaller companies who still produce more work then the Kudos has made.
@@GoatedAtNFS they literally heavily supported it for over 3 years and are still supporting it. It's only logical to move on...
ACC is the Best GT sim racing game for Consoles(Non-PC), and the only actual GT sim racing game for consoles 😂
I think if iracing would offer you to just race offline using AI but with the same rules and licences has online they woul get more people involved with iracing i had a iracing account for 2 years and loved the sim but with work and family constraints i dont have much time to race.
So having a iracing account for online would be a waste of money and also unfair to other drivers online becuase of my lack of racing online also if i had a offiline account i could still use the content i had purchsed and if i need to race online i could purchase the time on a month by month. Great Vid also thumbs up from me
1:08 I'm sorry but that is a fundamentally flawed argument. The reason why us "sim racers" care about realism is because WE WILL NEVER get to drive these cars in real life. That's why having an uber realistic sim racing title like ACC/iRacing/AMS2/rFactor2 combined with high end sim rigs gives us a glimpse into what it feels to be driving these race cars.
If you just want to have fun without immersion, a G29+Forza is gonna do just fine. Anyone who's spending over 10k on a sim rig wants to experience realism. To suggest otherwise is just wrong.
I was all in with ACC for a lot of the same reasons. Then I got a VR headset and iracing made me a believer I have a decent 30 series card and 5000 series CPU but ACC looks terrible compared to iracing. plus I know at a specific time I can get a race in ACC your rolling the dice. I still do miss the sound of the pebbles hitting the underside of the car.
iRacing - +tyre, ++suspension, ++content, ++multiplayer, ++fps, ++triples, -+ffb, -+graphics, -sound.
ACC - -tyre, -suspension, -content, -multiplayer, -fps, -triple monitor, ++ffb, ++graphics, ++sound.
I'm the only one to see the difference just watching the replay, the car in acc looks like a brick without suspension, in iRacing it's a pleasure to see the suspension of the car, and i can feel the weight transfer. For me iRacing is quite superior, it just lacks in graphics and sound...
Guy starts talking about "which is the best simulator" and his second sentence is realism is not that important.
You forgot to add Iracing's terrible price structure. Acc will cost you less than 60buks. The same Iracing experience will cost 600 + you have that ongoing sub to even use your content.
"Realism is not important", brother it's THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN SIM RACING 🤣 ARE YOU SLOW?? 🤣🤣🤣
the pricing and subscription modell of iracing is not worthy to be supported
the money love of EA is a joke compared to iracing
Until now iRacing was on top but now ACC and thats not talking costs in my opinion
Fun in VR: ACC: 0, iRacint 2
Iracing is the closest to the real world, as confirmed by the vast majority of professional drivers
AC is better than both. iRacing feels amazing but ACC it feels very arcade like, FFB is soft. I just bought it a few weeks ago. Ive played it just a few times, as it seems very chore like and stale driving. But AC I feel like I'm actually racing out here w GT3. The sounds etc.
Eh gt3 cars are not thst hard to drive. Gt3 drivers say that acc is very close.
Is realism not the whole point of Sim racing? To provide a realistic experience to those of us who have not driven these cars and tracks in real life
Depends I guess. For me it's about fun :)
I like ACC better I feel like I like the driving experience better
Hm, Sound. Yes IRacing is way more realistic. ACC is a pumped up sound with lot of reverb and effects you never hear in a real car....
I don't think this is an honest review. It's pretty biased. Even if iRacing has not in every serie all the tracks there are still a ton more tracks than on ACC. It's again an excuse to say ACC is better in this. Also realisme is also such an example but i don't want to be to negative but bit let down by the explanations you give. I play both sims. Still, love what your doing on your channel.
I only want to do multiplayer. And I love the SR and iRating System in iRacing. I, as a hobby driver, can win races against others in my skill-level. I don't have to race against aliens who will overtake me after ten laps ;) I've done this in leagues, but it is frustrating. So, for official servers, the SR. iRating is a big for iRacing.
The next is, you find full grids in many series. Not in all, but in all series and all times I am racing.
I also like the graphics more in iRacing (ok, some will disagree because its an old engine. But old is not always bad). ACC graphics is, as you said, too much. I never got a setting I like.
Iracing is the best sim, acc is good really good for gt3. Iracing just has everything hands down iracing best sim for gt3 as well.
Yes, all cars slide the same way cause: physics.
Tried acc when it was on sale, didnt like it. Hyped to much personally.
For me if you're after the GT3 experience than it's ACC all the way which is the question here. Sure the public online experience is better in iracing but if your half serious about ACC there's plenty of free leagues to join which is you can really put a championship together in a community. In terms of realism I suppose the one to answer that is James Baldwin and when he needed to make the transition from gamer to real life he used ACC.
ACC.. but iRacing has more online races and tight competition.
Well, Iracing is using pretty much the same engine they used when they were still Papyrus, and that was the best one at the time...but that time was almost 20 years ago (probably more than 20 since they started working on it). You can update and update but unless you build a new engine there's no hope to compete with more modern and realistic sims. People may still love it because they played for years and you can drive many cars on many tracks if you're willing to go simracing under a bridge, but let's be honest, the only good thing about Iracing now is how they manage the multiplayer aspect. They should seriously build a new engine from scratch after all this time. Especially in terms of physics and how many things are simulated, the difference with ACC is simply embarassing at this point, and it will grow even bigger with the future sims in the next years.
It's not a problem if iRacing engine is "old". ACC is using the same engine Epic Games used in 1998 for Unreal. Since the engine has been updated and updated. The problem is resources and money that iRacing can put to improve their engine vs Epic Games.
@@ced64k UE is not even near what it was 25 years ago, and it's not and "x times updated" engine, many parts were rewritten from scratch through the years, and in ACC it's only one part of the game engine (and Kunos's physics engine too had to be completely rewritten to work with it and support a lot more things, in a way that is not an update of the one in AC, but is almost completely a new one). If they wanted to update the game to use UE5 they would need to rewrite almost everything again. Iracing's engine on the other end is pretty much the same they used in Nascar 2003 with minor updates in terms of graphics and physics. Like I said, it was the best at that time and the fact that they had no competitors since simracing had become a niche of a niche until few years ago, let them focus on the multiplayer architecture. But now things have changed. A lot. The bar is now set a lot higher. Kunos are a small studio (and look what they have achieved with limited resources) so they won't probably have the resources to build an equivalent multiplayer system, unless someone else will help them invest heavily in doing that, but who knows what could happen in a few years and how many studios will jump in now that simracing is so popular that even SRO/FIA and all the big names in motorsport have started investing so massively in it?
Can you explain the differences between the things that iracing simulates and acc simulates?
Nothing more of a deal breaker than greedy developers thats why ACC is the only sensible choice...
ACC has it for me iracing, tried iracing a few time and the whole way it's monitized just leaves a bad taste in my mouth
if it wasn't for realism, we wouldn't call this "simulation" racing. Those who don't want the most realistic experience and just want fun can go drive NFS or Forza.
Very strange argument that made me downvote the video and stop watching it.
The main things ACC is lacking are Track Content and decent Online experience. Racing on ACC servers feels meaningless, it just lacks the gravitas and sense of event of an iRacing race. But, when one considers the massive cost difference, it is surprising ACC hasn't tried to capitalise with more DLC and a decent rating system that better rewards fair racing and season long commitment like iRacing.
And btw, that stupid dirt fake smoke puff on ACC needs to go asap, it's pathetic.
Realism is a big point and nothing to do, if you ever dirve a gt3 car or fly an F16 ... thats why this games called simulation. It is, to give you the closet experience you can have . IRacing is an absolut rip off from money, why i boycott it out of principle and the graphics even look oldscool. ACC have everything you need.
Hmmm.... I guess.... I would just like to be able to race. And my wife will not cooperate, she has said no.... It's only a game. She is right with a non racing personality like hers, but for us who have racing fuel in our DNA it is more then a game.... So what do I do? ...... What I will do is do it anyway... It is better to ask forgiveness then to ask for permission. However I did kinda fuck that up, so as Nike logo says "JUST DO IT"
ACC takes way to much computing power. Mid range equipment produces a less than enjoyable visual. I have to turn rear view mirror down so much to get a livable experience that cars passing me come from nowhere then I can't tell whether they are overtaking left or right.
Yeah but then you spend soo much money on iracing with its subscription model you might as well buy acc and save money and use it for an upgrade
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 I have ACC. GT3 is cool, but not that cool. I plan on hanging up the iRacing, rarely go there anymore. Beam NG, AMS 2, and AC I find to be much more enjoyable. Beam NG, I literally am hooked. Raw fun, none of them hold a candle to Beam. For racing we will all pick the ones we finish highest with as a favorite. So I find that metric to almost not worth talking about. Of course all good his is 100% my opinion.
@@mackelby1 yeah personally I love ac and rre and dirt is also soo much fun
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 RR and RFactor are the 2 I haven't bought
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 haven't purchased handbrake. Need a better rig for that. But yes the AWD rally cars on dirt in Beam is off the charts fun.
Highly disagree about the online part. Acc has their official CP servers!! I've so much good racing over there.
Then try to do a CP race at 1pm :-) I've had brilliant racing on the CP servers too later in the day, but it's just not even close to what iRacing has to offer.
give our GPUs back
The sound alone, eliminates ACC.. that tin can whine..
ACC for life
acc .. done ^^
Thanks for the video, but I’m stopping it at 1:20 and looking for another review, saying that realism is not important in a sim is not a good way to start a review. That’s actually the most important thing in a sim.
ACC best game
For me iRacing wins hands down. Jumping into ACC is like putting training wheels on your sim rig or entering an easy mode cheat for racing game. Overall ACC is a good title for people on a budget or for those who just want to be able to jump in the seat and be decent without the time investment it takes to truly master a car. But if you want real good and rewarding racing, iRacing is where it's at.
I get the appeal of ACC. And like I said, it's not bad. It's just not on the same level as iRacing as an overall product.
More difficult is not more realistic. Gt3 cars are aimed towards gentleman drivers. They are designed to be drivable. At the absolute limit however they are hard to master. In that sense, iracing is a bit too difficult
@@utkarshchaurasia2233 You're 100% wrong. I've driven GT3 cars multiple times at Mid Ohio at race pace, and iRacing has a much more realistic feel for how the car acts at and over the limits.
ACC is okay if you want training wheels to make it feel like you're not bad at sim racing. But the car does not feel like it's on rails IRL like it does on ACC.
There is a reason iRacings lap times are far closer to their real life counterparts than ACC.
So iracing is real because its harder to drive? Lol
@@Vizual_Racing every pro gt3 driver on world class Level sais different. I think you never drove one of these.
@@MM-mx8sr Literally one who constantly bitches said differently. And he only said it because he cries like a girl every time he gets beat in the sim. Yet he still runs it over any other sim.
Is it identical to real life? No, is it closer than ACC? 100%. And the two are not even close in comparison.
Also, reading comprehension must be hard for you. I never said it's "real" because it's harder to drive. I said it's MORE realistic because the car acts more like it does in real life both close to, at, and going over the limit of the care/tire.
GT3 cars are not easy to drive at race pace, otherwise everybody would do it. Kind of like how everybody can be decent at ACC just jumping into the car. It's too forgiving.
I choose to called "Gaming" than "Simulation".
Although I got the expansive rigs, I still called "Gaming with luxury gears".
ACC basically driving for nothing 👍.
I'll never buy iceracing
Maybe don’t film yourself so close up clearly reading the script at the the start Dan 😂
Yeah, first time I'm working with a script ... need to learn :D
@@DanSuzuki enjoyed the video though! @Dan Suzuki
Acc only seems to use 10 percent of the power my wheel is capable of so iRacing always wins for me.
Doesn't matter how good acc is for me, if you don't have a dd wheelbase you might as well be using a bungee cord wheel.
ACC is the most realistic, according to drivers themselves, James Baldwin I think is the best example, he always says on his videos that ACC is the most realistic GT3 sim, and he drove a 720s GT3 IRL, so he knows what he's talking about, and also Nicky Thiim said that it is the most realistic
Yeah, Laurin Heinrich as well 😉
Done both iRacing and ACC.
The thing where iRacing hits a homerun is indeed the online system.
Currently there are 2 full time series where GT3-drivers can compete. One is a sprint series with races lasting around 40 minutes and IMSA where races take around 45 and sometimes 60, depending on the 12 week based season.
Race starts are every 2 hours. So if 'Race A' starts at 13.45 , 'Race 2' starts at 15.45.
Where ACC hits it out of the ball park is the sheer experience of racing these cars. "Feel, sound, visuals" are on a powerlevel over 9000.
And now for the blunders, where unfortunately for iRacers, iRacing just has a tad too many of.
Pricing is awful! From subscription to buying a car, all tracks to race, prices for setups from providers to be SOMEWHAT competitive are skyrocketing as well and the baseline setup iRacing offers, will not get you anywhere I'm afraid. Building your own setup might take you so much time practicing you will barely make to get a race in before the week is over to get that rating that was praised in this video.
The backslides in iRacing are awful as well. iRacing isn't dubbed 'iCeRacing' affectionately/mockingly without a reason.
ACC has blunders too, just not as prevalent to the racing itself, but more to the stuff around it.
Licensing is one of them and while making/downloading favorite custom liveries is possible, your options are limited and not as streamlined as anyone would like.
Blunder 2 is the online service, it feels hollow and useless. Sure, you can join a league through obscure and hidden away forums and that's all fine and dandy but when I want to race 12 to 28 random strangers on a certain point of the day, I want it to mean something, I want competitive rankings, rankings based on safety, stats, records, personal bests, all-time best laptimes.
These are just not present in ACC in any meaningful way.
So these were the biggest hits and misses from both ACC and iRacing.
I hope you are better informed after having read this and if you have any questions, I will look forward to some of the replies down below.
Cheers!
100% agree. I wish ACC had an online system similar to iracing, I know it would be a massive money investment for kunos, but iracing has shown that sim racers are willing to pay a subscription for the online racing for the company to maintain online severs and upkeep. If ACC was able to do that without charging for each car and track like iracing it would be a homerun. I don't know what's holding them back from doing it?
all i want is beamng with licensed gt3 cars and a slightly more polished multiplayer
Would just like to point out Low Fuel Motorsport. Its light years ahead of the included system but it's a pain to register before a race for me bc my time to race is sporadic.
New sim racer here - literally the subscription model is what kept me away from Iracing, maybe in the future but for now I love paying once buying once with DLCs
Thanks for taking the time to write that, do you find this is still the case a year later?
I have never tried iRacing and I probably never will due to the hefty price tag. I've been playing ACC for a few months and honestly, it's the only game I need. Edit: I actually bought iRacing because of how good my friends said the online system is. Whilst that is true, the FFB of cars isn't as good as in ACC and I am yet to purchase any extra cars/tracks apart from what I have from the base-game content.
You need to install irfbb, and vjoy. Will totally fix tbe weird and weak ffb in iracing.akes it day and night
@@jcsquared1111 This is true! Irfbb is a small program wich will change the game. I am also trying out Iracing for now, I played acc in the past but never got into LFM wich may hold a candle to Iracing`s online system so I will also try that. Both are expensive imo, but Iracing definetely is too expensive lol. I think of it more as if it was a premium costly league I am part of, with leagues inside it. I love that part. But it kind of doesnt matter tha amount of content Iracing offers when its so expensive, I also am only using the free content for now. To be fair, the free content is actually quite vast, the problem is you will always be racing rookies.
Do people race GT4 in LFM? Its actually the series im most interested in. Also porsche cup.
@@eduardofreitas8336 Even with irfbb for iracing, it is still I think 360hz compare acc to 400 hz natively where irfbb is not natively which means there is a lag. People do race in GT4 I. Lfm. It is very competitive and people are good.
I just want to add iracing on steam is 15 dollars and acc is about 70 dollars
@@TTSClips for a system that charges you a service fee a year, the game should come free! It’s like buying a Netflix app only to pay their service to stream content…
Great video - one aspect that's important for me (you touched on it re tracks) is the pricing models. Everyone will be different, but it's a huge factor for me in preferring ACC for GT3 over iRacing.