+TheDancingRomeo I'm more blown away by the realisation that tiny fanless nuc style boxes such as the ASRock Beebox will now have more power and at least as much memory as this.
you can buy one for just a few hundred dollars at "Ian's SGI Depot", fully refurbished and full of software and goodies :) I have had a few a couple of years ago and one now for nostalgia purposes and it's awesome, even today :)
@@Evan490BC I was talking about an SGI in general, like an indy, indigo2 or octane, those can be had for a yew hundred pounds... As you said, fuels are thousands... octanes are the best price/performance imo.
I'm blown away that this machine brought us incredible movies and amazing stuff on screen with this minuscule power by today's standards and nowadays you have x amount of times more power in your cellphone or laptop and all we do is waste that on facebook and catching pokemons.
Nowadays, a good Samsung or Iphone has about as much processing power as this beast. But you're right... we tend to waste all that amazing power on trivial bullshit. However, some of us try to squeeze as much creativity as we can from the tech we have. This system was something I used to drool over back in 2005, and Onyx many years earlier. I always tried to beef up my PC to run the graphics packages I used, but never imagined the power these things had for their day.,
Thats a beasty graphics PC :D, very nice! I love that Doom comes on it from factory :D Nice bit of gear!, that octane card looks like it has a lot of gold in it :D, musta been really expensive in its day!
These machines were incredibly expensive in their day. The Fuel was one of the less expensive SGI machines, I think it was originally around $12,000 for a decent one. By comparison the Sun Server that hosts my site fully loaded was really close to $150K in 2002.. If I wanted the Fireplane XVR-4000 graphics cards they original retailed for $30K each. This equipment was incredibly expensive, and the engineering shows it for sure. There is LOTS of gold on these.
The graphics card and how to work (in this case the fuel model of the video) is a graphic system that will burn any graphics card for PC / Mac of the period. If in 2004 the PowerPCs were even faster than the SGI the OpenGL graphics was very powerful and had no comparison. But it was expensive to realize them so Sgi decided to switch to the use of standard graphics and if I am not mistaken he decided to use the cards produced by ATI / AMD.
The DB9 is RS232 and does indeed connect to the L1 controller. Connect a null modem cable and set your terminal to 38400 baud 8n1 and you'll have direct access to the L1 controller.
These must have been the last computers SGI made that ran Irix OS. I have an Indigo 2 High Impact machine boxed up in garage, it is fully loaded, have owned it for years and bought everything I could find for it back in the 1990s via ebay.
Your front side bus comparison to a first gen i7's QPI is completely wrong. Not only did you compare memory bandwidth vs QPI bandwidth, ignoring that RAM on an i7 is not accessed via the QPI bus (and is over 25GBs), but you also completely misstate the speed of QPI, which is 4.8 giga transfers per a second with each transfer being 16 data bits which is 9.6GBs each way (so 19.2 total) on a low end first gen i7.
Gimme Fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which I desire! I've always wanted one of these things, but I need to fix my Indigo2 first before I go buying more SGIs!
There is a Granite SGI monitor on eBay at the moment for only £250! These things are rare as anything and real expensive... if only I had the room for it - it's a 30kg monster! :(((
ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA! ;-) Which model do you have? I have a PWS 600au here. With scsi video sound 100mbit etc. Which OS do you prefer for alpha's Debian 5.0 with XFCE is slow :(
I love this kind of video's! Please make some more! I watched it allready but didn't reply. I downloaded the video on my laptop and watched it offline when i wasn't home.
Some SGI design cues but the switch to the PC Tower form factor looks so cheap compared to an Octane and there's no room for a Dual CPU.....it does out-muscle those earlier machines in several areas at least.
I agree with you, when SGI sticks with their own form factors the results are much more appealing to the eye. O2, Octane, and Tezro I also personally find more appealing compared to the PC toweresk Fuel. Don't get me wrong, it is still easy on the eyes compared to 90% of all other computer chassis out there...
@@DoogieLabs Sorry for the necro-bump, I've gone on an SGI mad kick lately...still tying to get me a fuel to add to the Octanes here :D Thanks for the tour.
Heard the name of SGI thrown-around a lot when referring to the old days, especially. Been curious for a while what these even looked like or how someone would interact with one! Cool
1:00 this pin hole is for emergency eject, in case the eject button stop working (due to the device being old) I had one of those pins holes in an dvd recorder, and if my memory dont fails me that is what it does.
i wonder what collectors do with all the software that comes with these when they get them from auctions and schools and why they always do a fresh install
None of the machines I got ever came with hard disks. It wasn't until I found communities and friends through these videos that I was able to finally find software. 10 years ago it wasn't as easy.
@@DoogieLabs ya but I’ve seen ones that do one guy in Australia is selling one with internal and external hard drive but it’s local pick up only and it has go cad and other things
I've never used Irix, so.. Is it possible to use a text-only local console like on a PC, Mac, or Sun? It looks like even initial kernel messages are displayed in some sort of GUI-enabled local console.
You are absolutely correct all around. The pre-desktop launch tty is in a window. The system is fundamentally totally graphics-based, even rendering text mode in a single accelerated framebuffer window with a font. You can telnet in and run just a tty, with remote X11, with 3D acceleration if you're on a compatible (probably just another SGI) system too.
I noticed there isn't any screen tearing in those demos on models like the car, martini glass, plane, and cube. It's strange that today, we still have massive screen tearing issues on even the best graphics cards outputting to a display unless we buy a monitor that supports a technology to prevent it (FreeSync and G-Sync). V-Sync doesn't count.
V-sync does "count" because that is what the SGI system is using! Freesync and G-Sync are systems that prevent any stuttering when the V-Synced framerate falls below the screen's refresh rate (or an integer divisor of it).
@@thedausthed Yes, all the demos he ran by default operate with vsync on, so they won't screen tear. Irony with him commenting about the CPU usage though as that most of the demos he ran are older IrisGL demos, so the only reason why the CPU is having to do anything much is because it has to use a software library called IGLOO to convert the IrisGL calls to OpenGL which are then passed to the VPro graphics. The system has a lot more oomph when using native OpenGL and optimised libs like IRIS Performer.
The reason why there isn't any screen tearing in the video is because it uses a CRT monitor. CRT monitors update differently than modern LCDs that prevents any visual screen tearing.
Yup. The Pentium 4 equivalent MIPS R16000 is basically a i9 9900k. The V10 graphics subunit is basically a RTX2080ti. Since this machine obviously runs Windows 10 and not Unix, it will totally run modern games.
when i was a kid i so badly wanted one of these machines, i still wouldn't mind having one for nostalgic purposes, the technology still blows me away
+TheDancingRomeo I'm more blown away by the realisation that tiny fanless nuc style boxes such as the ASRock Beebox will now have more power and at least as much memory as this.
you can buy one for just a few hundred dollars at "Ian's SGI Depot", fully refurbished and full of software and goodies :) I have had a few a couple of years ago and one now for nostalgia purposes and it's awesome, even today :)
Why didn't you just sell your parents house to buy one? Would have been fun to kill files in 3D.
@@HPPalmtopTube A couple thousand GBP most probably, for Fuel...
@@Evan490BC I was talking about an SGI in general, like an indy, indigo2 or octane, those can be had for a yew hundred pounds...
As you said, fuels are thousands... octanes are the best price/performance imo.
Sgi brought us toy Story 1 through 3 Killer Instinct Beast Machines Reboot Donkey Kong Country final Fantasy the spirits within etc etc!!!!
Don't forget the hardware of the N64
wow, thats definitely up there!, amazing how fast it depreciates!, good for us hobby users!
I'm blown away that this machine brought us incredible movies and amazing stuff on screen with this minuscule power by today's standards and nowadays you have x amount of times more power in your cellphone or laptop and all we do is waste that on facebook and catching pokemons.
SO TRUE, and so sad. :(
Feel free to show us all what *your* imagination can produce with today’s technology!
Nowadays, a good Samsung or Iphone has about as much processing power as this beast. But you're right... we tend to waste all that amazing power on trivial bullshit. However, some of us try to squeeze as much creativity as we can from the tech we have. This system was something I used to drool over back in 2005, and Onyx many years earlier. I always tried to beef up my PC to run the graphics packages I used, but never imagined the power these things had for their day.,
@@DigiFootageFX Modern smartphones are hundred times more powerful than an SGI fuel. The SGI fuel is even weaker than a play station 2.
Plus, we went to the moon on what was little more than a digital watch.
sgi가 저때 GPGPU에 눈을 떴더라면... 지금쯤 딥러닝이 돌아가는 sgi O2++++, sgi Octane9, sgi Onyx9 이 돌고있을텐데!
Thats a beasty graphics PC :D, very nice!
I love that Doom comes on it from factory :D
Nice bit of gear!, that octane card looks like it has a lot of gold in it :D, musta been really expensive in its day!
Gold was trading at around $300/oz. when this machine came out. Pretty cheap.
These machines were incredibly expensive in their day. The Fuel was one of the less expensive SGI machines, I think it was originally around $12,000 for a decent one. By comparison the Sun Server that hosts my site fully loaded was really close to $150K in 2002.. If I wanted the Fireplane XVR-4000 graphics cards they original retailed for $30K each. This equipment was incredibly expensive, and the engineering shows it for sure. There is LOTS of gold on these.
Amazing the unit even modeled a beer bottle for you that seems to be in FRONT of the screen. Superb for the day.
This guy has absolutely no idea what the hell he's doing with that fabulous highly unaffordable SGI feul desktop, LOL
The graphics card and how to work (in this case the fuel model of the video) is a graphic system that will burn any graphics card for PC / Mac of the period. If in 2004 the PowerPCs were even faster than the SGI the OpenGL graphics was very powerful and had no comparison. But it was expensive to realize them so Sgi decided to switch to the use of standard graphics and if I am not mistaken he decided to use the cards produced by ATI / AMD.
The DB9 is RS232 and does indeed connect to the L1 controller. Connect a null modem cable and set your terminal to 38400 baud 8n1 and you'll have direct access to the L1 controller.
Just imagine what kind of graphics SGI would be doing today in 2021 if they weren't gone/absorbed by HP. Crazy.
These must have been the last computers SGI made that ran Irix OS. I have an Indigo 2 High Impact machine boxed up in garage, it is fully loaded, have owned it for years and bought everything I could find for it back in the 1990s via ebay.
Your front side bus comparison to a first gen i7's QPI is completely wrong.
Not only did you compare memory bandwidth vs QPI bandwidth, ignoring that RAM on an i7 is not accessed via the QPI bus (and is over 25GBs), but you also completely misstate the speed of QPI, which is 4.8 giga transfers per a second with each transfer being 16 data bits which is 9.6GBs each way (so 19.2 total) on a low end first gen i7.
Thankyou for the correction I appreciate you bringing that to my attention.
@@DoogieLabs could you make a comparisen with sgi systems vs there pc counterparts?
The pinhole is for force-ejecting the DVD tray. Nice gear! My first unix machine was a SGI 02 running Irix 6.3.5 - I still have the beast!
Gimme Fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which I desire! I've always wanted one of these things, but I need to fix my Indigo2 first before I go buying more SGIs!
Now I know how to reset the password on my TEZRO...
There is a Granite SGI monitor on eBay at the moment for only £250! These things are rare as anything and real expensive... if only I had the room for it - it's a 30kg monster! :(((
The pinhole was (and still is) an emergency system to open a blocked CD reader/drive
😫 the aspect ratio
Would you use it for computer animation?
I like it, I want one.....!
ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA ALPHA! ;-) Which model do you have? I have a PWS 600au here. With scsi video sound 100mbit etc. Which OS do you prefer for alpha's Debian 5.0 with XFCE is slow :(
Мог бы и поработать над качеством
I love this kind of video's! Please make some more! I watched it allready but didn't reply. I downloaded the video on my laptop and watched it offline when i wasn't home.
3.3v Has the Dual Notch, 5v has just on Notch on the PCI bus.. that DB-9 at the end is for Programing / Debugging the Board.
Some SGI design cues but the switch to the PC Tower form factor looks so cheap compared to an Octane and there's no room for a Dual CPU.....it does out-muscle those earlier machines in several areas at least.
I agree with you, when SGI sticks with their own form factors the results are much more appealing to the eye. O2, Octane, and Tezro I also personally find more appealing compared to the PC toweresk Fuel. Don't get me wrong, it is still easy on the eyes compared to 90% of all other computer chassis out there...
@@DoogieLabs Sorry for the necro-bump, I've gone on an SGI mad kick lately...still tying to get me a fuel to add to the Octanes here :D Thanks for the tour.
Heard the name of SGI thrown-around a lot when referring to the old days, especially. Been curious for a while what these even looked like or how someone would interact with one!
Cool
1:00
this pin hole is for emergency eject, in case the eject button stop working (due to the device being old)
I had one of those pins holes in an dvd recorder, and if my memory dont fails me that is what it does.
go backto 94. show dude assasins creed 2 on a R9 he be like what d faek broooOOoooOOo
would these animations be like the computer used in weird science???
i wonder what collectors do with all the software that comes with these when they get them from auctions and schools and why they always do a fresh install
None of the machines I got ever came with hard disks. It wasn't until I found communities and friends through these videos that I was able to finally find software. 10 years ago it wasn't as easy.
@@DoogieLabs ya but I’ve seen ones that do one guy in Australia is selling one with internal and external hard drive but it’s local pick up only and it has go cad and other things
I just saw one of these in a second hand store I was completely amazed
looks like you got a couple SGI fans on your desk lmao
But will it run crisis? 🤔🙃😉
No, but it runs Quake2 and Quake3 quite nicely. 8) Not native ports, but they run well.
15:49 *Analog* video. I.e. it’s obsolete now.
5:09 Super Mario 64 File Select screen
lucky duck i wanz one bro
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I've never used Irix, so.. Is it possible to use a text-only local console like on a PC, Mac, or Sun? It looks like even initial kernel messages are displayed in some sort of GUI-enabled local console.
Yes you can use console, it's unix after all.
You are absolutely correct all around. The pre-desktop launch tty is in a window. The system is fundamentally totally graphics-based, even rendering text mode in a single accelerated framebuffer window with a font. You can telnet in and run just a tty, with remote X11, with 3D acceleration if you're on a compatible (probably just another SGI) system too.
16:10 in 2013?!
I noticed there isn't any screen tearing in those demos on models like the car, martini glass, plane, and cube. It's strange that today, we still have massive screen tearing issues on even the best graphics cards outputting to a display unless we buy a monitor that supports a technology to prevent it (FreeSync and G-Sync). V-Sync doesn't count.
It was also one of the last MIPS-based SGI systems.
V-sync does "count" because that is what the SGI system is using!
Freesync and G-Sync are systems that prevent any stuttering when the V-Synced framerate falls below the screen's refresh rate (or an integer divisor of it).
@@thedausthed Yes, all the demos he ran by default operate with vsync on, so they won't screen tear. Irony with him commenting about the CPU usage though as that most of the demos he ran are older IrisGL demos, so the only reason why the CPU is having to do anything much is because it has to use a software library called IGLOO to convert the IrisGL calls to OpenGL which are then passed to the VPro graphics. The system has a lot more oomph when using native OpenGL and optimised libs like IRIS Performer.
The reason why there isn't any screen tearing in the video is because it uses a CRT monitor. CRT monitors update differently than modern LCDs that prevents any visual screen tearing.
"A unix system... I know this."
Will it run a game from 2014 and onward? (Fortnite, PUBG, Battlefield 1, etc)
Yup. The Pentium 4 equivalent MIPS R16000 is basically a i9 9900k. The V10 graphics subunit is basically a RTX2080ti. Since this machine obviously runs Windows 10 and not Unix, it will totally run modern games.