Now the trains that are loaded out of our mines in southeastern BC are 155 cars long. Our coal is mainly steelmaking coal and very low Sulphur content. Used to be the cleanest burning coal in the world. Recently they have some in Australia that is a little better but not by much I was told.
I wish that I had a coal furnace in my house instead of fuel oil. I had one when I lived in Montana. Loved it! Clean burning and cheap. I lived in Colstrip. Two huge mines there. That's where that coal came from.
I remember as a kid in St Louis MO...Coal was used for home heating. In the winter when it snowed...you could see a thin layer of soot on top of the snow...coal isn't clean. The air had lots of "smog" in it too.
REALLY makes a difference between eastern and midwestern/western coal. Eastern is hard and I never even had a plume out of my chimney. Midwestern was dirty both loading and burning.
All of the newer class Great Lake ships are double bottom hull and sides and you can walk from the stern to the bow in the tunnel between the cargo hold and side walls when the ship is empty they let water into the side tanks for ballast
PF or pulverised coal dust is explosive. Normally takes surface temp of about 580deg C to ignite coal dust and between 2.5 -1000 joules depending on particle size, oxygen % pressure and temperature. One lighted cigarette 🚬 doesn't provide enough energy in open air to vapourise coal dust and create an explosion but Company policy these days would make smoking prohibited in all hazardous areas & confined spaces.
yeah I was going to say the same thing the one guy commented too yeah it is explosive But it would take a Lot more heat generated to ignite the coal dust the ciggy that guy is smoking wouldn't generate enough heat to ignite it and stay burning Especially since he's out in the open air now had he been in one of the cargo holds Maybe a better chance but even then still bc I remember throwing my lit ciggy into my grill once with coal in it and it had coal dust and it never ignited
I am surprised that no one speaks negatively about coal, I was in the business for 40years in texas and that's all we heard ..just constant negatively so much so we started shutting down mines
@@jimclay6241 They are right after all; coal power kills far more people per power produced than any other power plant type, and that's before you even get into the global warming costs (both financial and human). The sooner we stop burning it, the better. Nuclear + renewables is the next best step to take in power generation; coal power is the worst thing to keep going.
I live near the de-commissioned Zion Illinois twin nuke plant and even though the plant is totally removed, the old, still hot, nuke cells are still on site. They are all encapsulated in some verticle storage cylinders setting on a fenced in concrete pad. THAT to me is a big problem with the nuke plants. Congress can’t seem to be able to come up with a permanent storage site for spend nuke fuel rods. If that storage issue gets fixed, I would be all-in on nuke power. Bruce
On a self unloader how can you unload the two types of coal separately? Does not the unloading belt go the full length of the hold? For that matter, when loading and unloading the two types of coal, what happens to the trim of the ship?
Cargo hold dirty lots of cargo left from the last load would never fly on a Canadian laker holds cleaned every trip regardless of the next type of cargo
Susan Loughlin ever hear the saying ship shape ,if u leave the leftovers it builds up quick and gets hard as a rock ,also it spreads throughout the ship and everything gets covered in coal dust
Mining where I live, the Wyoming Valley area of Northeast Pa, was a huge thing during the 1800's throught the 1970's, and black lung was the cause of death for many miners.. Second leading cause of death was mining disasters such as the Avondale and Knox mine disasters.
In early 1980’s I worked on general cargo vessel we carried coal from Poland to Brazil and soybeans back to Poland. We just cleaned cargohol up, that’s all.
Not supposed to be smoking period at any time, on the front of the pilot house structure at the back of boat, it has huge lettering spelling out NO SMOKING
Yes, that's most likely the reason, even though current power plants scrub effectively all of the sulfur out of the smoke when burning high-sulfur coal.
They load the holds in a prescribed order to keep the ship balanced and there is also crew monitoring the ship and adjusting the water ballast as cargo is loaded.
If you want to be an officer, a mate or an engineer, I recommend that you attend the Great Lakes Maritime Academy in Traverse City Michigan: www.nmc.edu/maritime/. There are several good videos and articles to be found if you search online and on TH-cam regarding life on board the Great Lakes freighters.
Normally confined spaces are well ventilated. Takes approx 580deg C in air to ignite coal dust. Depends on particle size pressure. Energy required varies from 2.5 joules to 1000J in controlled conditions. Most of the electrical motors are Dust ignition proof and the electrical gear is housed in certified explosion rated enclosures. Certification varies in Europe to the USA. Coal Mining equipment requires even higher ratings because of methane gas (coal damp) released from the coal. Generally coal is kept wet to reduce dust and prevent pyrolysis.
Yup their is a conveyor belt under the hoppers in the hold that transfers the product to the vertical belt in the stern which deposits it on the boom conveyor Bay Shipbuilding Sturgeon Bay Wi.
On one hand you have people capable of captaining these giant ships and on the other hand you have people that can't point and hold a camera steady long enough to make a decent video.
Well, that’s what has been going on for many generations, and it’s still what many of the large power stations use. We don’t all live near Niagara Falls or other waterfalls where Hydro power can be made. Also I think it’s used in steel making. Likely it will change with time, but definitely not overnight.
@@dryflyman7121well you are correct however coal comes from mines deep underground with most modern coal mines being open pit mines. Coal and other fossil fuels are made from dead stuff like prehistoric trees and the Dinosaurs
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Awesome! I'm lifelong Superior resident. The Paul R Tregurtha is my favorite ship, I love seeing her up close like this.
I may live in Florida, but the Paul R Tregurtha has a special place in my heart.
Awesome video! This is the first time I have seen what the cargo hold looks like.
For those who don't know,60 thousands tons of coal takes 6 unit trains of 100 cars, 100 ton cars to fill that ship!
Now the trains that are loaded out of our mines in southeastern BC are 155 cars long. Our coal is mainly steelmaking coal and very low Sulphur content. Used to be the cleanest burning coal in the world. Recently they have some in Australia that is a little better but not by much I was told.
@@kendallwilliamson8193 Wyoming has some of the best low sulfur coal in the world too! Love seeing long trains heading out of Wyoming.
@@wyomingadventures rare to see them anymore going through southern mn. Just a couple years ago several trains a day would go through.
im a Siwertell specialist this types of videos never fails to amaze me.
Wish video was longer. Don't know why but I could watch that hole dam thing get filled thank god I'm at work and getting paid to watch too 👍🏻👍🏻
This is amazing ❤️👍
You could hide a Cathedral in that ship and spend a week looking for it. Huge holds.
Great lakes shipping 👍
I wish that I had a coal furnace in my house instead of fuel oil. I had one when I lived in Montana. Loved it! Clean burning and cheap. I lived in Colstrip. Two huge mines there. That's where that coal came from.
Brun coal all you want but it is NOT clean.
I remember as a kid in St Louis MO...Coal was used for home heating. In the winter when it snowed...you could see a thin layer of soot on top of the snow...coal isn't clean. The air had lots of "smog" in it too.
REALLY makes a difference between eastern and midwestern/western coal. Eastern is hard and I never even had a plume out of my chimney. Midwestern was dirty both loading and burning.
You know it is absolutely amazing that an object this big and heavy can even float!
All of the newer class Great Lake ships are double bottom hull and sides and you can walk from the stern to the bow in the tunnel between the cargo hold and side walls when the ship is empty they let water into the side tanks for ballast
matt harper A lot of older boats had them as well including the Edmund Fitzgerald. They called it a “cellular double bottom.”
That deck crew has it made. Moving belt loader, conveyor hoppers at the unloading locations; no dock shifting baby!🤣
Yup. All that coal, and not a shovel in sight. Automation has made life easier for everyone.
Until the conveyor belt breaks...😄
Very cool. Brings back memories. Jerome.
Great video!
Quite interesting!
Midwest Energy Resources. Coal brought in on the BNSF Railway from Wyoming.
Some of the best low sulfur coal in the world.
I've not seen this procedure. How interesting.
This ship can unload it's cargo in approx.8hrs w/no breakdowns.65 thousand tons!!
8hrs 🙄😳😳🤯
Nice video!!
Amazing footage
Please discuss the technicalities of even weight distribution.
Thank you a lot
great video thank you
Low sulfur coal from Wyoming is great coal.
Yep. Colstrip same same.
@@samsquach3799 awesome coal from your area. Been there many times. Don't live far from there. Close to Sheridan Wyoming.
@@wyomingadventures I fished on Tongue River Res. alot. Good fishing!
For the love of God why didnt you have a wind screen
What’s not to like about this? Nice video from what would otherwise not been seen.
Hi mike. Boy do i remember working on that deck. Me and a fitter set the rails on her
Very surprised to see these guys smoking on this ship while loading coal! Coal dust is explosive!
I thought the same too
Yes we are having issues with an only this ship about the crew smoking to this day an we are dealing with it
Hotrod Hog fast way to unload the ship.
PF or pulverised coal dust is explosive. Normally takes surface temp of about 580deg C to ignite coal dust and between 2.5 -1000 joules depending on particle size, oxygen % pressure and temperature.
One lighted cigarette 🚬 doesn't provide enough energy in open air to vapourise coal dust and create an explosion but Company policy these days would make smoking prohibited in all hazardous areas & confined spaces.
yeah I was going to say the same thing the one guy commented too yeah it is explosive But it would take a Lot more heat generated to ignite the coal dust the ciggy that guy is smoking wouldn't generate enough heat to ignite it and stay burning Especially since he's out in the open air now had he been in one of the cargo holds Maybe a better chance but even then still bc I remember throwing my lit ciggy into my grill once with coal in it and it had coal dust and it never ignited
You got to love big machinery!
I'm surprised that they only use one loader. Maybe the bottleneck is the trains?
I would imagine it is due to the fact the ship can only pump out ballast water so fast.
They have to keep moving stem to stern to keep the ship in balance otherwise the ship bends and it could stress the iron in the ship overtime.
I am surprised that no one speaks negatively about coal, I was in the business for 40years in texas and that's all we heard ..just constant negatively so much so we started shutting down mines
@@jimclay6241 They are right after all; coal power kills far more people per power produced than any other power plant type, and that's before you even get into the global warming costs (both financial and human). The sooner we stop burning it, the better.
Nuclear + renewables is the next best step to take in power generation; coal power is the worst thing to keep going.
I live near the de-commissioned Zion Illinois twin nuke plant and even though the plant is totally removed, the old, still hot, nuke cells are still on site. They are all encapsulated in some verticle storage cylinders setting on a fenced in concrete pad. THAT to me is a big problem with the nuke plants. Congress can’t seem to be able to come up with a permanent storage site for spend nuke fuel rods. If that storage issue gets fixed, I would be all-in on nuke power. Bruce
Put a foam cover over the mic to eliminate the wind noise!
forget that,more effects the better!
always wanted to see the cargo holds close up
I'd love to be a welder on that big iron
On a self unloader how can you unload the two types of coal separately?
Does not the unloading belt go the full length of the hold?
For that matter, when loading and unloading the two types of coal, what happens to the trim of the ship?
Cargo hold dirty lots of cargo left from the last load would never fly on a Canadian laker holds cleaned every trip regardless of the next type of cargo
What an incredible waste of time if your only hauling coal.
Susan Loughlin ever hear the saying ship shape ,if u leave the leftovers it builds up quick and gets hard as a rock ,also it spreads throughout the ship and everything gets covered in coal dust
Show one of how they unload from the ship...
Choo choo! Happy New Year! I'm a train and I approve this video!
Wish he would have put a dead cat over the microphone so we could really hear what they were saying without the wind interference! 😳😳
They should wear face masks...that coal dust is really bad for your lungs.
Mining where I live, the Wyoming Valley area of Northeast Pa, was a huge thing during the 1800's throught the 1970's, and black lung was the cause of death for many miners.. Second leading cause of death was mining disasters such as the Avondale and Knox mine disasters.
Always smoke a cigar, whenever you're around coal dust while loading.
Hasn't exploded yet.
@@johnwurfel2862 thousands
How much can Paul hold compared to his sister lee?
Bulk carriers often transport different commodities. Do they clean the cargo holds between loads?
They only carry one commodity,how could you possibly carry grain in a bulker that has just carried coal
In early 1980’s I worked on general cargo vessel we carried coal from Poland to Brazil and soybeans back to Poland. We just cleaned cargohol up, that’s all.
my mother-in-law is a Tregirtha too......
60,000 tons? And it still floats?!
How much did you expect ships to weigh?
@@whiteknightcat I was trying to cleverly say that it's a lot of weight. I wasn't expecting anything.
@@yourdrummer2034 Oh. Sorry. (quietly shuffles away)
@@whiteknightcat no don't shuffle away! Sarcasm never comes across comments well!
@@yourdrummer2034 *sniffles*
Is there smoking allowed on the ship while loading???
Not supposed to be smoking period at any time, on the front of the pilot house structure at the back of boat, it has huge lettering spelling out NO SMOKING
..duh..
rob peters If you have seniority.
No never we have problems with this ship an crew smoking an r dealing with it to this day
in southern Illinois, we have coal nobody wants, may be too much sulphur?
Yes, that's most likely the reason, even though current power plants scrub effectively all of the sulfur out of the smoke when burning high-sulfur coal.
What ever happened to the 1000 ft Oglebay Norton ship after O N went bust?
I can't believe the guy asking the questions has a cigarette in his mouth while they load coal! If there was ever a no smoking zone this would be it
That cigarette isn't going to light that coal on fire. Flashpoint is to low. Like diesel you can drop a cigarette in a tank and it won't ignite.
Речные люди отличаються похуизмом и распиздяйством
Unfortunately, he is no longer with us. He was assigned to a self-discharging napalm carrier, and it did not end well.
Deck personal should be wearing masks as coal dust is very bad for your health !
i wonder how long it takes to fill the ship
About 8-10 hours.
I do security on that dock an it takes 10-16 hrs to load
How do they tell if they are evenly loading
They load the holds in a prescribed order to keep the ship balanced and there is also crew monitoring the ship and adjusting the water ballast as cargo is loaded.
I am thinking about becoming a deckhand on a Great lake freighter
How is it like and will I have to go to school to become a deckhand
So are you on a ship yet ?
If you want to be an officer, a mate or an engineer, I recommend that you attend the Great Lakes Maritime Academy in Traverse City Michigan: www.nmc.edu/maritime/. There are several good videos and articles to be found if you search online and on TH-cam regarding life on board the Great Lakes freighters.
Reed Blazevic? Wasn't he a cross country champion in high school in the 90's?
You get on a ship like this and you end up filming chalkboards and men talking?
How many coal cars does it take to fill the ship?
Is the Columbia Star still sailing she's a big girl
I’m surprised coal dust isn’t a problem.
Coal dust can be very flammable, yet the interviewer was smoking a cigarette.
8:56 smoking near all that coal dust ?? Not dangerous??!
I wouldn't think so. A cigarette isn't likely to ignite coal or remnants of coal gas.
Normally confined spaces are well ventilated.
Takes approx 580deg C in air to ignite coal dust. Depends on particle size pressure. Energy required varies from 2.5 joules to 1000J in controlled conditions.
Most of the electrical motors are Dust ignition proof and the electrical gear is housed in certified explosion rated enclosures. Certification varies in Europe to the USA.
Coal Mining equipment requires even higher ratings because of methane gas (coal damp) released from the coal. Generally coal is kept wet to reduce dust and prevent pyrolysis.
Get some foam on that microphone!
How is it off loaded?
D J kind of late post but Lakers have conveyer booms
Yep, self-unloaders...
Yup their is a conveyor belt under the hoppers in the hold that transfers the product to the vertical belt in the stern which deposits it on the boom conveyor Bay Shipbuilding Sturgeon Bay Wi.
Has anyone ever fallen into the cargo hold ..? and survived ..?
Can’t here the conversation.
Why is this man smoking on a coal ship???
How do they unload all of that
Ship has a conveyor belt self-unloading system. HUGE boom on deck to direct the flow.
Is that how they fill an oil tanker
No. They use oil to fill them instead of coal.
5:24 smoking on deck while loading coal? Seems like that takes a special type of intelligence.
On one hand you have people capable of captaining these giant ships and on the other hand you have people that can't point and hold a camera steady long enough to make a decent video.
@kevin church Of course you would have done better but you would have needed someone else to help you...
@@kiloechocharlie1342 i think i can find a way to maintain a steady shot with a camera, i don't think there would be an issue at all
👍🇵🇹
Camera rather about talking not loading.
smoking in coal dust?
Is that guy smoking a cigarette? What the heck
Co2 generators....
..ponytail guys on a freighter..no way..
@ Robert Allen, W.T.F. does it matter if the dude has a ponytail?
So now you’re going to require people to get haircuts?! This is not the Navy!
5:18 Mike how can you be smoking on a coal ship ??????????
That's not me
Is he about to light a cigarette? It would be possible for an ember to start the coal on fire and loose the ship..
Thanks for informing the public of the impending doom Safety Sally.
Don't know where you got your info from but it takes much more then a spark to ignite coal.
I bet that they spray water on the coal to hold the dust down.
I dread to think of all the pollution created by burning these 1000s of tons of fossil fuel?
Ah yes, a treehugger
Black Shadow - check your facts first - it’s the trees that make the coal !
Well, that’s what has been going on for many generations, and it’s still what many of the large power stations use. We don’t all live near Niagara Falls or other waterfalls where Hydro power can be made. Also I think it’s used in steel making. Likely it will change with time, but definitely not overnight.
Plug your car into a wind turbine. Let's go Brandon.
@@dryflyman7121well you are correct however coal comes from mines deep underground with most modern coal mines being open pit mines. Coal and other fossil fuels are made from dead stuff like prehistoric trees and the Dinosaurs
not fast enough unload and load and leave port within 1 hour.. oh wait how bout alien tech where you dont need fosil fuels..