For any urban studies student this is highly informative. Thank you. Anyone living in Newcastle there is an exhibition at the Farrell Centre that explores this idea - concrete dreams
A model for the deck was shown at the Baltic during the Great Exhibition of the North in 2018, not sure if it was original. It looked horrendous - but your suggestion that it was never intended to be built but that the underlying principles have been followed, is a very accurate analysis of the outcome. Spot on as usual Jordan. I look forward to more content from Perth....
Concrete cancer was something we were instructed on when I was at university over 30 years ago it's baffling these schemes even got as far as they did.
@@davidwhitton9050 We were taught about concrete cancer back in the 70’s The Romans brought concrete here 2000 years ago at Richbourgh Roman Fort. Still standing. We tried to be too clever and save money.
Stupidest idea ever. You can tell that the people designing it weren’t engineers but artists when they want to build tower blocks over a coal mine… this is the trouble with architecture these days form over function and the form doesn’t even look nice
Hi Jordan, I always enjoy your well-informed videos. I find the Tyne Deck proposal too mannered and self-conscious and am in favour of keeping the river open.
the sage group sponsored development on land right next to the sage, which will take on the name sage. so the original was renamed The Glasshouse International Centre for Music about a year ago now.
Tyne & Wear development was great! Unfortunately they forgot about the ‘Wear’ part! Fortune spent on the Tyne ‘0’ on the Wear. The Wear (Sunderland) should have stayed as part of County Durham! Anything outside the bounds of Newcastle is left out of the big spend!! Ps, building over the Tyne was an April fool stunt!
There no money pumped into anything in the north east in general you absolute cabbage. The further you go up from London the lesser money there is. Been like that form the get go what drugs you taking? And let’s be real isn’t there a lot of money being pumped into the Sunderland City Centre area and along the river Wear new businesses etc. Least the city stopped pumping money to that backward football team and spending it on the city as it needs it desperately.
Hi Jordan, I’m a street photographer and local history nerd from the North East and really enjoy your videos. If you're ever interested, I think it’d be great to collaborate on something like a photo-documentary or a project exploring how lost spaces have changed over time. I’d love to combine our skills to showcase the history and life of the region. Let me know if you’re interested. All the best.
Although their rivers are nowhere as wide as the Tyne, both Coventry and Stourbridge had the rivers crossing their city / town culverted and built over during the 60s.
I am a huge fan of modernism and brutalism but this would have been bad in two ways 1. Concrete cancer may have affected this 2. It would look terrible, and future developments such as Newcastle Quayside or Gateshead Quays, Sage etc. may have never happened
Lets be honest the North east just north of Gateshead feels very isolated from the rest of England and also from Scotland and the River Tyne is a massive reason for it. Even walking down northumberland street past pi;lgrom srtereet onto the main road that leads to the Tyne bridge has a feel of 'the rest of the world awaits beyond those hills in Gateshead' feel to them.
I’m a fan of brutalism but looking at their house designs would never have a flat roof in a cold wet temperate climate (there it snowed heavily global heating)
I mentioned the new stadium of St james should be built on the banks of the Tyne spanning half the river. Some where near Elswick with easy access from all areas and still in the city. Alas Lampooned was I, a head full of shit was I yet so nice to learn others were there before mem Maybe not a stadium but then they did not have Saudi funding behind them.
Let's look at it today...... Millennium bridge needs maintenance Tyne bridge needs no introduction Swing bridge doesn't swing High level just bodged up again This even before your get away from the river where degradation is plentiful
Funny i was born on the banks of the Tyne Wallsend bye swan hunter's shipyards pulled the terrace houses down in 1976 now there building posh house on the banks of the Tyne
Have you been to Peterlee. the place is a dump. The original concrete flat roof houses cheap fling them up crap, the town centre shopping centre is full of boarded up shops, with pubs closed down and shoplifting rife.
The issue wasn't that they wanted to bridge the river but what they wanted to bridge it with. if they had of proposed a large green space, like a really really wide wildlife overpass it likely would have been built.
Can't believe how ugly modernist design was, truly concrete hell. It's a blight on our towns and cities to this day and should be removed completely. I can't believe how much of the rich history of our country was destroyed by these "visionaries"... More damage was done to Newcastle in the 50s, 60s and 70s than during the war.
For any urban studies student this is highly informative. Thank you.
Anyone living in Newcastle there is an exhibition at the Farrell Centre that explores this idea - concrete dreams
@@thomasrutter824 Thanks for reminding me - must go to that!
great recommendation, would recommend anyone interested in my films to check out the Farrell Centre
Hey i had absolutely no idea about this place!! thank you for the recommendation.
A model for the deck was shown at the Baltic during the Great Exhibition of the North in 2018, not sure if it was original. It looked horrendous - but your suggestion that it was never intended to be built but that the underlying principles have been followed, is a very accurate analysis of the outcome. Spot on as usual Jordan. I look forward to more content from Perth....
Given the recent news of the Gateshead Highway; it’s lucky this never happened
Concrete cancer was something we were instructed on when I was at university over 30 years ago it's baffling these schemes even got as far as they did.
@@davidwhitton9050
We were taught about concrete cancer back in the 70’s The Romans brought concrete here 2000 years ago at Richbourgh Roman Fort. Still standing.
We tried to be too clever and save money.
Fascinating stuff Jordan as always. Thanks for this and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you!
Always interesting and informative Jordan.
Many thanks Jordan. This was some new information completely unknown to me.
Lol I have never heard anyone from Peterlee describe it so enthusiastically.
The place is a dump, the only growth industry is shoplifting.
Cool vid
“Comparable to Durham and the major sites of Europe” is a phrase I thought I’d never hear
Peterlee is a dump.
Thank god that never went ahead! 😯 great video Jordan, first I've heard of that scheme. Merry Xmas
You should do a video on the redevelopment plans for the old Wear Port at the mouth of river wear.
love your content
The River is a River and deserves respect as such. Sad when they get trashed and people turn their backs on them. Lucky where I am - there are two.
It´s good it wasn´t concreted over, I couldn´t imagine Newcastle without the Tyne.
It's OK it would have all collapsed and crumbled away by now.
Stupidest idea ever. You can tell that the people designing it weren’t engineers but artists when they want to build tower blocks over a coal mine… this is the trouble with architecture these days form over function and the form doesn’t even look nice
Cost > everything
Yep, they built the new Sunderland Stadium of Light over the top of Monkwearmouth Colliery , how long before it falls down the shaft
They’re not artists.
Developers and designers a match made in hell.
That heavens that monstrosity was not constructed
I never knew or heard anything about this, therefore I disbelieve. Lived here 30 years almost.
What happens when architects egos get out of control
Hi Jordan, I always enjoy your well-informed videos. I find the Tyne Deck proposal too mannered and self-conscious and am in favour of keeping the river open.
The glasshouse? Is it not called the sage anymore?
I was thinking the same thing, I’ve never heard it called the glasshouse 😂
the sage group sponsored development on land right next to the sage, which will take on the name sage. so the original was renamed The Glasshouse International Centre for Music about a year ago now.
The current name is the sagesorryglasshouse.
@@davidgorman7911this is accurate
Tyne & Wear development was great! Unfortunately they forgot about the ‘Wear’ part! Fortune spent on the Tyne ‘0’ on the Wear. The Wear (Sunderland) should have stayed as part of County Durham! Anything outside the bounds of Newcastle is left out of the big spend!!
Ps, building over the Tyne was an April fool stunt!
There no money pumped into anything in the north east in general you absolute cabbage. The further you go up from London the lesser money there is. Been like that form the get go what drugs you taking? And let’s be real isn’t there a lot of money being pumped into the Sunderland City Centre area and along the river Wear new businesses etc. Least the city stopped pumping money to that backward football team and spending it on the city as it needs it desperately.
The river brought life and wealth ,deserves a future ,would seem criminal to even consider concreting it over .
Hi Jordan, I’m a street photographer and local history nerd from the North East and really enjoy your videos. If you're ever interested, I think it’d be great to collaborate on something like a photo-documentary or a project exploring how lost spaces have changed over time. I’d love to combine our skills to showcase the history and life of the region. Let me know if you’re interested. All the best.
hi mate drop me a DM on Instagram or Twitter
@@JordanReeve Done!
Although their rivers are nowhere as wide as the Tyne, both Coventry and Stourbridge had the rivers crossing their city / town culverted and built over during the 60s.
I am a huge fan of modernism and brutalism but this would have been bad in two ways
1. Concrete cancer may have affected this
2. It would look terrible, and future developments such as Newcastle Quayside or Gateshead Quays, Sage etc. may have never happened
It would be interesting to find out the political background of these architects...
Lets be honest the North east just north of Gateshead feels very isolated from the rest of England and also from Scotland and the River Tyne is a massive reason for it. Even walking down northumberland street past pi;lgrom srtereet onto the main road that leads to the Tyne bridge has a feel of 'the rest of the world awaits beyond those hills in Gateshead' feel to them.
😂😂😂 even the internwt is black and white!
and that's a bad thing why???
JohnKR: And the actual point of your comment is?
I’m a fan of brutalism but looking at their house designs would never have a flat roof in a cold wet temperate climate (there it snowed heavily global heating)
So glad this was never built. It was a terrible idea like many of them in the 60s.
I mentioned the new stadium of St james should be built on the banks of the Tyne spanning half the river. Some where near Elswick with easy access from all areas and still in the city. Alas Lampooned was I, a head full of shit was I yet so nice to learn others were there before mem Maybe not a stadium but then they did not have Saudi funding behind them.
what a mess that would have been
Let's look at it today......
Millennium bridge needs maintenance
Tyne bridge needs no introduction
Swing bridge doesn't swing
High level just bodged up again
This even before your get away from the river where degradation is plentiful
Funny i was born on the banks of the Tyne Wallsend bye swan hunter's shipyards pulled the terrace houses down in 1976 now there building posh house on the banks of the Tyne
Have you been to Peterlee. the place is a dump. The original concrete flat roof houses cheap fling them up crap, the town centre shopping centre is full of boarded up shops, with pubs closed down and shoplifting rife.
The reality compared to the original vision is definitely an interesting topic.
The issue wasn't that they wanted to bridge the river but what they wanted to bridge it with. if they had of proposed a large green space, like a really really wide wildlife overpass it likely would have been built.
Some ghastly architecture. Devoid of innovation and imagination. Sold to uneducated clients.
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Gateshead is part of Sunderland not Newcastle
What have you been smoking?
@fatelvis121 well they were both part of County Durham at one time
@fatelvis121 the truth
it may have used to be but it doesnt use SR postcodes or is even managed by the same council
Now Washington has an NE postcode but part of Sunderland, Newcastle has 220k population but Sunderland over 230k.
I assumed this had been done, not that you could tell the difference
Can't believe how ugly modernist design was, truly concrete hell.
It's a blight on our towns and cities to this day and should be removed completely.
I can't believe how much of the rich history of our country was destroyed by these "visionaries"...
More damage was done to Newcastle in the 50s, 60s and 70s than during the war.