The Yandere Dev Drama: A Critique
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.พ. 2025
- Yeah, I had a few people ask that I give my thoughts on this. Well, here ya are. This isn't a heavily edited video, due to me going through some family issues.
And if there's a chance that I have something wrong, please let me know in the comments. The only way to improve is to learn from your mistakes.
The videos that I mention/have in this video:
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• How Long Does It Take ...
• Video 1:54:29 - 1:54:48
• Is it OK to use black ...
• Yandere Dev Part 2 (Up...
EDIT: A few vids that I would suggest:
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• In defense of Yandere ...
So... yeah, I think the whole thing is dumb. On both sides. Don't get me wrong, there is legit criticism to be made, for both sides, but that doesn't stop it from having it's really dumb moments.
My stuff:
/ mangakamen
/ manga_kamen
flairnightz.dev...
/ discord
I think the best way for the game to progress is for Yandere Dev to accept that there are limits to what he can achieve and pull off in the game. It's okay to have some limited mechanics in cohesive gameplay. He's aiming too high without considering the estimate of his own ability and the progress or lack thereof demotivates him as a developer and programmer.
iiMadisønii panda It tends to be funny.
It’s you :0
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I think the best way would be to ignore everyone except his patreons and work without using social media, because there are many people who hate him very, VERY much and if he can't handle criticism it's not very good for a depressed man to be exposed to that.
TheCaliMack I think part of the problem is that he doesn't want to admit he's an ammature. I don't mean that as an insult. He's completely self taught, and his code could use work. However you have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror once in a while and realize what can be improved. Take advice when someone is giving it, rather than taking it as an insult.
I came here for the Yandere Simulator drama, but I stayed for the draw. Serioulsy, it's amazing.
It's horrible...
+Tosia Macha I like how i just wasted like 5-6 minutes just writing this to a random person on the internet who probably won't even read it. God knows, they might even be dead but i decided to waste my time anyway.
"if you can't do better then shut up" is such a terrible argument that it annoys me whenever i see it.
Now, i'm not saying the art is bad. I was actually going to leave since i don't care much about the drama (but clicked anyway since i was bored and had nothing better to do), but i stayed because i kinda liked the drawing. What i'm saying here is that you don't have to make your own movie, for example, to say that the Death Note's live action movie sucks, or that The Room is a good movie. Or make your own piece of music to say that "Baby" by JB is bad, etc.
Do you think every game critique has made their own game? No, they haven't. But they can still say that a particular game is good, or bad.
Let's say you looked at a drawing, and didn't like how it looked. Would you still say that it's good, because you couldn't make a better one? If i drew a stickman, and for some reason you couldn't draw even a straight line, therefore being unable to draw at all, still call my stickman(which, would look terrible as my drawing is... well... questionable.) a good drawing? No, you would probably tell me with a straight face that its utter shit.
@@Siterus totally agree with that, i hate those kind of arguments too.
Who is the character being drawn?
Tharion The dragon
Agreed.
The only real slights against YanDev that I have are his spaghetti code and him not working on making the things necessary to add Osana in a timely manner. I mean, he can take off all the time he wants, but to not add in the first crucial element to a game after 5 years and many promises, claims of getting work on her almost done, and then not doing anything to her... It’s all just sketchy. Slow work and putting off things in favor of the “low hanging fruit” isn’t really that deserving of breaks IMO.
He's been adding "crucial elements" for the game every month, take the latest update in which he added the photography club, or a previous one where he added the delinquents, or even before with the bullies. So, he IS adding stuff to the game, I just think people don't want to see that because they just want to see the final product instead of the debug build.
I agree
Rafael Ferreira Fair enough, he has been adding a fair amount of crucial elements. That doesn’t really excuse that he’s only all of these elements are coming together for the *first* rival 5 years into development, but he is most definitely adding some important things.
Sometimes it just seems like Yanderedev is adding elements to the game as an after thought. Like he doesn’t actually know where he’s going with the gameplay.
What my personal view is that he is working himself to the ground to satisfy the expectations of the people who follow him, in what used to be just a hobby. Yet, the only reward i've seen him receiving lately is constant bashing and criticism, being cruel for the sake of being cruel and no matter how small a percentage that minority may be, it's still a hideous amount of people who take a liking in other's suffering. That, well, cycberbullying basically. I'm sick of it. (DISCLAIMER: you're not that kind of people)
I think the whole “ streams for 3 hours a day thing” is in response to fans and dev himself saying that he works super hard and takes no breaks. It’s also making a point that if you’re gonna be a game developer and make a game as ambitious and hard to create like yan sim you’ll need to work a lot harder.
Yes you can do other things but when people are paying you actual money to work on a product and you just stream games for 3 hours a day it really makes you lose your crediblity
atenahena lol even before that video he streamed constantly
Do you actually take into account how many hours their are in a day before you join the bandwagon? I work on digital art most of the day, and play video games for about 4 hours a day. AAA game developers work about 8 hours a day, and screw around with the rest of the time their awake. Do you understand yet?
Sure he makes money off the streams so that he can work on yandere sim. Think of it this way if he had to get an actual job working for somewhere else you can safely cut half of the progress he has made on yandere sim so far.
Sleeper, the problem, in my opinion, is that he said he works for 12 hours a day with no breaks, but very clearly does take breaks to stream. The problem isn't taking breaks - it's the dishonesty in saying that he doesn't, to try to seem more pitiful and gain more support.
Picture this - He could either say "I develop the game most of the day but also stream" or he could say "I take no breaks and just develop the game for 12 hours!!! I have no time for myself!! etc etc"
Which of those seems like it would garner more sympathy from his audience? That's what I don't like.
If he was honest upfront about it then it'd be fine and I wouldn't have a problem with that specific thing. But when he's manipulating his diction and spreading misinformation (as he has in other cases, not just this one) to garner sympathy and pity, then that just makes him look unreliable and self-victimizing.
The guy works 12 hours a day coding, then when he is done for the day takes some time to play games. It's just a misinterpretation of what he's saying. So he's not lying he works 12 hours straight like most developers would without a break.
YandereDev also copyright striked me today how generous!
Yes I have it imgur.com/a/dWNX6vR
That's okay.
Well aren't you that guy that pretty much host a channel of any bad thing the dude says or doesn't do? Like in your bio you have a link to the kiwifarks post where they pretty much dox the dude. IDK I'm against what the dude is doing too but I can see some valid reasobs to why your channel should be taken down. Also you monetize clips without the dudes consent snd im pretty sure thats against youtubes policy sooooo.
I think this wouldn't be the best example of him taking down videos personally just due to how this dudes channel works.
Yes, you spoke about it earlier. Lol oof.
I’m glad that people are calling out the flaws in the game and the choices of Yandere dev, but I believe that people like argent help weaken the argument against Yandere dev. Because he just sees Yandere dev as just some lolcow in the same vain as Chris-chris and DSP, Yandere dev is able to easily straw man that and say that the majority of people critical towards him are like that.
That’s certainly why I didn’t get into any of this until now. I assumed a lot of this was just people being petty until YanDev made his most recent damage control vid and his defensiveness made me think there was more to it.
The game is a big mess, and YanDev is a big mess of a man, but I am mixed on that 2 hour long video. There are better videos that critique YanDev too.
WeegeeSlayer his code is just spaghetti!!!
Orchid Snow-Crystal I heard a story of a professional programer taking a look at Yandere Simulator's code and being like "the fuck is this mess?!"
"Fire, slowly bleed, lose your mind a broken man" ~Firewater (makes so much sense here, eh?)
I mean, anyone who cites cyberstalking sites who doxed his whole family isn’t worth listening to. (This isn’t me dismissing criticism of his poor coding and refusal to accept help, I’m on board with all of those issues)
WeegeeSlayer its sad that people pay him $60,000 a year + donations to work on the game and he barely works on it. He's down barely any progress in the past year and a half, even with "volunteers." There's proof of him treating his "volunteers like shit too. I use to be a fan of him, but it's pretty clear he's just milking this as long as he can.
I think Yandev should adress his streams in one of his videos instead of repeatedly saying "I work non-stop on Yan Sim and read E-mails". Probably that could backfire, but at least he would be honest and open about it.
One thing that it's relevant about his past I feel, is his history of being unable of taking criticism, no matter how nice they were to him. It's sad how his attitude towards it hasn't changed, it would've been good for his image and people wouldn't bring his past often (though, with all the attacks and personal info revealed, I could kinda see why).
Another side problem I have with him is how sometimes he treats his own fans, not sure he knows his own fanbase or what he's expecting from them lol.
Overall, YanSim is an ambitious game with a problematic developer who's not very good at coding nor partnerships. I wish no harm to Yandev nor the game, but it really has a long way to go.
I feel people are more upset that Yandere dev has been in development for what... 5 years? 6 years? and the first rival isn't even done yet... They think it will take forever to finish it.. which honestly I can see as you left out the part of Yandere dev making a lot of money off youtube, twitch, and donations.
he started in 2014, so 4 years, and he already has the first rival "done" he's just finishing the base game so he can add her. You can check this video: th-cam.com/video/-LDncgTOI9Q/w-d-xo.html to see that he already finished animations, voicing, and schedule for Osana. However, he needs to also add everything that is not unique to her so he can launch the kickstarter with the real experience for the first week in the game, for example: all clubs, all students, Guidence counselor and so on.
Rafael Ferreira
Osana is not done, he is still working on Osana..
Fuco He already has all the assets he needs to put Osana in the game as I already said and showed on my previous comment. Yandev said himself that he could put Osana in the game right now if he wanted, but he doesn't want to do that so people don't get in the game and think it's a full demo, because it still lacks the core aspects of the base game.
Having all the assets for Osana doesn't mean that Osana is done..
If he doesn't have the assets requiered to make Osana a fun enemy, she isn't complete. To have the sprites and animations of a character is quite easy, the hard part is to implement it into the game properly
Imma just add my two cents.
I agree with pretty much everything you say here except a couple things:
1. People aren’t saying he should never stream or anything like that. People are just upset that on his update videos he whines about never having any spare time when he obviously does. If he just came forward and was honest about it, far fewer people (including myself) would be upset about him streaming. Instead, he lies, which looks extremely sketchy.
2. While a lot of information brought up about YandereDev’s past is indeed irrelevant (like the gross fanfic stuff. In what way is that relevant to YanSim??)some of it can actually put a lot of things in perspective.
I, like you I’m sure, believe people can change. However, if someone repeatedly makes the same mistake over and over again, it’s pretty safe to say it’ll happen again. YandereDev’s reaction to recent criticism seems strange and out of nowhere until you look at his history. Repeatedly, he does nothing but whine about any criticism he receives, even if it’s constructive. He refuses to take people seriously when they criticize his work even when they know what they’re talking about.
In this case, looking into YandereDev’s past isn’t pointless. It’s important to understand how to approach him and this entire situation.
_Now if only someone would actually do something with the info, that’d be great._
So... yeah. I agree. YandereDev kinda sucks, but the backlash is going just a _tad_ overboard.
MangaKamen
What do you mean by updated schedule video? Can you link me to it?
TheDragonCat99 I’d say the fanfic is relevant in context to his writing skills for the game’s story and the game in general. When you look at his fanfics, especially with the teenage sex slavery, and EvaXephlon activity (the rants about killing his parents, that rape simulator he played, etc.), it frames some aspects of YanSim in a creepy light. The sexualization of minors (they’re not all seniors), his dynamics with the Midori character, and that yakuza shit are the most concerning, imo. I mean, it’s better he writes or makes a game about this stuff rather than doing real harm, but most of his fans are teenage girls and it makes you worry that he’ll try some shit with one. I’ve heard he has been creepy to some female volunteers and has shared nude pics of a minor before.
Animegamer1235 - uh, I don't mean to alarm you, but having characters who ARE pedophiles (ie the substitute teacher in YanSim) does not mean the creator of said character is guaranteed a pedo. If that was the case you should lock up about, I dunno, all the creators of the examples shown on the _Teacher/student Romance_ TV trope _WHICH IS APPROX. 300+ media including anime and video games listed,_ as well as real teacher/student relationships, considering its a _truth in television_ trope, what with actual cases involving teachers and students in relationships including the "Pamela Smart" case. _But no, lets call this one game developer a pedophile without any research and call it a day like the fucking dumbasses we are._ Sexual deviancy is actually not a huge issue, either, as there are _many_ other subculture groups under this category that are somewhat accepted, so long as they're not obnoxious about it.
Oh, and the being a scammer thing? Right, assuming that he sleeps 8 hours, does 12 hours straight per day coding, he would only have 4 hours to do things like chores, cook meals or do other stuff. That's rather small amount of time. Him being a NEET, even with all that he's done so far in this game? _Right, ok then._
MangaKamen - Stream him working on the game? Uh, no. Game is banned on twitch, mate, even when he tried to appeal they wouldn't let up. Plus he has included clips of him working on the game in previous videos. Also, he's not able to set up a schedule, I don't think you realise this, he is no longer able to keep up with a schedule at this point especially since he's close to completion as well as the things he needs to implement take too long for that sort of thing...
The only part about the gross fanfic stuff in his past I find relevant to YanSim is that it shows he's got a fetish for the idea of forcing underage girls into sex slavery and raping them (he played Rapelay as well, it pretty much says it all).
While... Fine, that was in the past...
He wants to add it into YanSim with the Yakuza. Allow the player to kidnap girls for the Yakuza and force them into sex slavery.
Dude, don't add your weird fetishes to your game, keep it to yourself for Christ's sake.
TheDragonCat99 you're right the fanfictions, the rapelay game, the supporting of school shootings and telling people how he wanted to kill his parents have not much to do with yandere sim I guess. It goes to show how many people are willing to support and give this scumbag their money for a game that won't ever be finished.
Hmm, what's this? A video that gives a fair and balanced assessment of the situation that can get all of the points across in less than 20 minutes?
*Claps*
This is why I love this channel.
Nice unbiased view dude. Yeah you can do both (develop & play video games). But he CONSTANTLY COMPLAINS about what little time he has. He’s been shown to stream video games pretty much daily for HOURS on end. Which he’s free to do. Just be honest about it & not claiming to work 24/7 w/o.
Thanks for you video. It was fun to listen to👍
He doesn't claim he works 24/7, the only time he did that was before the game was even that popular back in 2015
Então eu acho justo que ele fizesse um vídeo esclarecendo seus novos horários.
no I think it's slightly biased to yandere dev from his hate of anyone that jumps on the hate bandwagon.
Rafael Ferreira and when he did that, there were hundreds of comments under his video that his fans wouldnt mind if he would spend more time playing video games, and that he should take more free time. Now he does those things, and so many people are angry about it
To be honest, I didn't expect much from Tiny Build due to -Box Stack Simulator- Hello Neighbor.
Bluecore true shit my nigga
They just published it, didn’t make it.
at least hello neighbor released and didnt have to wait more than 4 years for the first main objective
FYI the reason why HN was a flop was because they kept relating builds, and by the end, no one cared
while i don't care about the streaming because it's only 3 hours a day when most people sit and watch tv or youtube for way longer after work, or his past or even what he's like behind the scenes.
he is a very mismanaged programmer, waiting for proffessional assets from volenteers before doing anything vital to the game, adding in tons of easter eggs and alternative killing methods, and pouring time into his youtube videos (not the update ones, those are fine because it's a digestable log about the changes in a build) like why even elude to DLC or even future rivals when you haven't even finished the first one?
he also seems to think that once he's finished osana that the others will be quick when he's stated in other update videos he's waiting on assets, how fast you can program has no affect on how fast assets get made, what he should do it start paying his contributors so they can work part time for him so they get finished sooner, or be a proper programmer and use test animations and code in the subtitles before any of the finalised ones get finished so he can just insert them in and change the timings between consecutive actions which would allow him to outpace his contributors.
also the email video... just get seperate emails, a buisiness email that's public, a public one for fans to send messages to be ignored, and a private one you only send to contributors. most of the development problems are down to disorganisation, and this stems from him wanting to maintain the hype that's already faded years ago, he even had a fan poll to see whether or not people were "heated" or "chill" fans.
Yeah i too was informed about yandare devs creepy sexual past. Thought since it has being a long Time since then im sure he has grown out of it. Though iv allways known that yandare Dev has never being good with criticism. Hell, one his Idols in the game industry gave him some criticism to his older projects, and yandare Dev Just got angry at him and acted like a child. I coulnt care less about the fact that his streaming alot cause he is allowed to have a Life lol. Though seeing the way that yandare is going towards now... i Just hope his game wont end up as a huge waste of money and Time. And that he learns to take criticism . And lastly the copy strike that yandare did was uncalled for. Theres no forgiving that.
MegaUmi it's copyright strike alinity
People aren't mad at the streaming because they don't want him to have a life. People are mad about it because he has a tendency to complain about how much he supposedly works on the game, but then when you look at how long he streams, takes time to delete whole swathes of comments, and watch anime then the time doesn't add up. It's even more maddening if someone decided to support him on patreon after seeing him post a video about how he spends 'everyday of the week' to improve the game
James McGuinness to My knowledge yandere Dev copystriked the video Just because the guy was giving him criticism
Arisa Okay that does sound pretty corncerning not gonna lie
MegaUmi dude do you know how to read I said you said it wrong it's copyright strike not copy strike and I called you alinity because she said the same thing on stream
Ah, the ups and downs of being an indie developer. Y'know, Markiplier immediately sprang to mind when you mentioned Yandere Simulator and Let's Players in the same sentence.
William Crowe for me it was kubz scouts.
Azzman here
Id mention Mike Z but he has an entire legion of programmers, to the point where it stopped counting
4:09
Isn't this the same guy who flat-out ignored a suicidal person in his chat while people were comforting said person? Yeah, I don't think he has any room to talk.
K.Spirit He probably didn't know what to say. In some situations, it's better to not say anything rather than say something that might hurt them more.
Well someone having depression would likely have no much advice for a suicidal person...
The generic "cheer up" and "don't let it hold you down" advice is not helping ya know.
True, but something about that whole situation just rubs me the wrong way.
Not trying to be an ass or anything, really. But it really isn't his responsibility to take care of these people. They should seek help Irl and not in some chat. Then again I have no idea about the situation so please don't get me wrong, I wish that person all the best and hope they'll get the help they need, and as much as I despise Yanderedev, It isn't his responsibility.
That's mostly because the majority of those people have the so-called " I want attention " Syndrome, and thus create fake stories about depression and suicide
Frankly i'd ignore them too
I just wanna say, THANK YOU! you pointed out a lot of things out. It bothered me that one of the videos you showed didn't know much about the development of the game and yet questioned things that are or would be answered in the near future. Idk
I...never could take Yandere Dev serious...and this further cements it...To be honest, I tolerate MatPat MORE than YanDev
Stop.
I disagree.
Start
Mr. Pokirby Stop what? Having an opinion?
*_"Stop what? Having an opinion?"_*
Porkirby? Nah, If you look down in the comment, he goes full "Leave Britney Alone" on Yandere Dev. The poor dumbass doesn't realize he's getting swindle out of his money by a con-artist that will never deliver on his promise just like every fool who claim that "Star Citizen will be the best thing ever WHEN I'll come out."
There's another problem that I don't see people talking about, and like how azzman said, there's always bugs: does yan dev even have beta-testers? Or does he beta-test the game himself? I have been asking myself that for a couple of days now since the whole yandev drama arose.
if he did beta-test on his own, I have a hard feeling (and I really don't want to assume) that he skims through the game without noticing the bugs at all, which is why he needs to hire people who will beta-test every build for possible bugs in order to fix them. But since it IS yandev we're talking about... Yeaaaa.
I know it's only one thing I am saying here, but it feels like all videos I have seen covering the drama are bleeding into one another and that question of whether yandev has beta-testers has been bugging me..
Doesn’t, he relies on fans.
That's what the DEBUG BUILD is for, you can download for free and report on bugs through his e-mail. People get the debug build and think that the game will have that many bugs, but you can't fix bugs until you find them, that's just game development
the question remains whether he reads in on the e-mails or not.. cuz.. he did complain at one point.. or my memory might be shit but that's what I remember. *shrug* which makes me question whether he does listen to his fans or not.
hate to be the bearer of bad news then, sorry pal. :/
FabJaphPlays He did complain about emails but it was the unimportant/unnecessary emails that were burying important ones like bug reports, not all.
If you guys want an alternative, there's a game on Steam called Yandere School that might interest some of you. I happen to own both games. I haven't really played Sim yet...because every time I go to do so, that's when Yandere Dev decides to update, rendering whatever build I currently own redundant, but Yandere School seems to be the same basic premise, but sold to you already fully fleshed out.
YandereDev needs to lock down his features, work on finalizing that shit into a fully functional v1.0 release, and THEN worry about all the other ideas he has.
Also, the only games I can think of where fucking with one specific guard has consequences beyond a simple reputation/karma meter adjustment is the Nemesis system in Shadow of Mordor/War, which was heralded as being unique enough that there obviously aren't "lots of games" out there that do that.
There was also that scene with The Sorrow in MGS3, but that's less of a dedicated gameplay mechanic and just something relegated to a single pre-scripted story event.
0:55 but the problem here is that Yandere Dev says that he worked basically night and day on this game and yet streams all the time
MangaKamen well still it WAS rare not now
MangaKamen he has never stated that he has changed his work times
MangaKamen i missed that my mistake
Hobo Jones babe He does not stream all day. He only streams 3 hours a day. He has plenty of time to work on the debug build.
Hope your family issues get resolved, Mangakamen
9:27 *Does Yandere dev really need a small town*
Looks like Argent also needs glasses because he cant read video titles!
And argent wasnt really a YS player. Once he didnt had enough DSP fuel, he saw the perfect hole to jump on Yandere Dev!
Tbh, I genuinely feel bad for the bullying and harassment he got, but this is the internet, so what do you expect?
And so far the majority of them aren't attacking him for being a "bad" person, they mostly are angry about the delay of the game, the fact he turned off the comments, and simply the feeling of betrayal of funding and supporting a game that doesn't seems to have any progress
Hello, buddy.
I wasn't even focusing on what you saying...I was busy focusing on your art....it's amazing XD
MangaKamen no problem! Keep up the good work ^_^
I said the exact same thing about that "Rise and Fall of YandereDev" video, and I'm glad to see I wasn't alone in my thoughts.
I couldn't even finishing watching it because so many things about the video was wrong. Or at least I should say the person didn't research anything and just kinda hopped into the band wagon of hating on Yandere Dev. I agree that Yandere dev has handled things very poorly. Like extremely poorly. But if you're gonna make a video about him and his game at least research the game and what stuff it does have
YandereDev is the Spoony of game developers.
Tyranny, Morrowind, Oblivion and such have a reputation system. Even though its not perfect or similiar they still have one. The guy couldnt search google for 5 seconds "reputation system in games" and he could have found a lot more.
Also Space Sims have a reputation system, the decent ones at least.I havent bothered with YanSim in a while but even I know those features are at least starting to be put into the game. What was the point of his video? Its absolutely meaningless.
Most of the "drama" is just non relevant and non meaningful to the game. My take:
-I don't care about YandereDev's sexual interests. This is completely non-relevant outside of dating the guy.
-I don't particularly care about YandereDev's social etiquette. This is only relevant if I want to date him, hang out with him, or befriend him. Not related to the game and I'd reserve judgement on this by my personal experience with him rather than making heavy judgement based on out of context excerpts.
-I'm not bothered that YandereDev is an entry level programmer. Entry level programmers are allowed to make games; many indie games _are_ developed by entry level programmers. Maybe what he is pursing is difficult for him to accomplish with his level of programming skills, and maybe that is contributing to the length of development, but that doesn't seem inherently controversial to me. People are allowed to take on projects that are ambitious for them. I'm sure YandereDev has expanded on his abilities due to this pursuit.
-I do agree that he probably should credit minor contributions. It seems lazy and petty not to and it could potentially lead into a legal confrontation eventually which I'm sure he and his game doesn't need.
-I don't think it's unreasonable for him to play games three hours a day, steaming them or not. I also don't think it's unreasonable for him to make money doing so. This also does not contradict him unless I'm forgetting something. You can work on developing a game for 12 hours a day on avg. and play games for 3 hours a day on avg. That leaves 2 hours for food and breaks and 7 hours for sleep.
This is about equivalent to Hollywood gossip, but for a TH-camr/game developer instead. My response, as a result, is about the same too. I don't care. You probably shouldn't either.
+Marisa Nya At this point, I don't think he'll get another person to help, mainly because of brooding paranoia.
Blaze Dude02: I think you missed the entire point that it's not relevant to the game he is making. It's not my or your place to judge and punish someone based on social hearsay. It's not relevant to his work so I don't care about the vast majority of what this drama is about. I commented on what I thought was relevant such as accrediting small contributions rather than putting it off or being petty about it since it isn't worth the risk to the project. if you want to be the guy's paster that's your fixation, not mine. Personally, I don't assume any one of the people making a big deal of it is any better or worse. That includes you. I don't know you. You could be a serial killer for what I know and you're trying to get me riled up over some rumors about a game developer's social behavior? Lay off.
Blaze Dude04: Again, you are missing the point. I don't care about his life outside his work. I only care about the game he is working on. The two are separate fields completely. His life outside his game is between him and those he interacts with. I'm merely someone looking forward to playing his product. Even if he interacted with me and I didn't like his attitude, it would have no effect on my relationship to his product. It would only make me less likely to want to be his actual friend.
I think you are the one struggling to grasp the quote "separate the art from the artist," as that is clearly what I'm doing and not what you're doing. Also, how do you get that I don't care about serial killers from what I said? Try to actually read what I'm posting if you want to understand me. I'm saying I don't know you; you're making all these claims against someone else when I don't know anything about you. Who are you to me that I should believe your allegations against someone else who I also don't know? It's rather entitled for you to feel that you are owed that and not the person you are trash talking.
This is off topic but I really love your drawing. Anyway, who is that character?
MangaKamen I wish you luck
MangaKamen game? Nice. I really like The artstyle
MangaKamen She looks cool and i wish you luck on your game. By the way i like the pose it kinds of reminds me of a pose used for Filia from Skull girls, one of the best 2D fighting games i played in past years.
MangaKamen nice character btw, it reminded me of Filla from Skullgirls
MasterTJT 56 *OH SHIT* I thought the same
mmm I don't know. It gets real difficult to ignore the hate sometimes and I'm not sure if people calling out haters is something you should ridicule them for (as long as they do it in a mature way and don't declare a witch hunt or anything). As for critisism, in my personal experience most critisism you get on the net is hardly constructive and is usually very rude, like it's been written just to shame the creator.
Northflower
Last time I ignored the haters, it ended up with a doxxing attempt. At the time, I didn't even know how doxxing worked, but I did know what the intent and consequences of doxxing and getting doxxed are.
It was scary.
That was a great point talking about the features that Argent missed. I had been avoiding a lot of the updates for like a year or two so that I could play and experience a bunch of it at once, so I had no idea what features have been worked on. This is first I've seen of visiting Town!
Thank you for this video
Is it wrong that I was expecting you to bring up Spoony with the Depression segment?
greatrieck
What about him?
Spoony would often procrastinate on his projects and blame it on Depression.
greatrieck
Ah.
I never followed Spoony, so I barely knew anything about him.
to play devil's advocate here, depression really screws up your energy levels and drive to finish anything, and it can lead to a vicious downward spiral. It's really hard to work on something when you hate everything you do, and depression can trick you into thinking that you hate doing things you normally enjoy. This tends to result in people who suffer from depression swinging between two manic extremes: bouts of activity at a pace no human being can sustain, and silent spells where no activity is done at all. These states are extremely unpredictable, and depending on the severity of the underlying depression can last anywhere from hours to YEARS.
And while I'm not excusing anything (because there are ways to manage the condition and it isn't that difficult to warn people of a severe low before they get pissed off), it doesn't mean either of them are exaggerating or lying when they say depression has derailed or severely affected the project.
3:42 as a novice game dev, and i can tell you from experience that ambition is the biggest problem you can run into when starting out.
im working on a game right now, im not sure if im putting myself up to too much, but if i actually put more time into it rather than watching like ten hours of youtube a day i could probably do it...
pupypup I know this was like, a year ago, but if you're still active or anything and still working on the game/completed it, what advice would you have for someone just starting out trying to make a game? The current quarantine has driven me to want to make a visual novel game, and I don't want to go too ambitious story-wise or anything. Even if the game you're making/made isn't a visual novel, do you have tips anyway?
@@itsfrance5314 Well im just happy you where interested. There's two games i could have been referencing here... one i didn't complete, or the one im doing now. I feel like it was the incomplete one.
okay so i have *attempted* a visual novel before, but here's my general advice here, start small. Like... really small. In fact, start with JUST text, i know its fun to make all those images of characters and making them do all kinds of expressions and stuff, but just don't do that from the outset. Start with just text, and like one chapter. Then keep going and expanding until you are ready to release it.
pupypup Thank you so much! I always tend to think very big and ambitiously, so thank you for the advice. I always have trouble realizing I should start small (on any project, which inevitably leads to me giving up x_x), and that should definitely go for a game lol. I wish you luck on the game you're working on now! Again, thanks!! :D
@@itsfrance5314 Yup. With my current game, im taking it ambitious, but in such a way that i can break it down into smaller chunks. See its a fighting game, so each fighter is like its own project. Ill see if this works for bigger games, and it has so far. it might be a good mentality for bigger games like this. Heck if only yandere dev had any kind of sense in this realm, we would probably have at *least* one rival by now.
pupypup Yeah, Yan sim has a lot of potential but it's wasted on someone with no sense for planning and managing ambition, and no desire to gain that sense. RIP.
It's not that he can't do other things at the same time but when a person say a big project is coming and saying he doesn't have enough time to do much but then play games for hours saying he needs a vacation and breaks it gives off a time consuming feel making the game release date much farther.
He only took one vacation in the past 3 years for 2 weeks and he only started streaming daily for 3 hours in the past month, both occasions were announced and explained in his channel
But how long does he actually code for. It looks like he edits his own videos on his channel alone so that's time consuming. He fixes bugs and tests them or waits on people to test for him. He also voices in most of his own videos. He had someone that would help his coding (Tinybuild) but since he couldn't read the code he fired them. Can he have someone to edit his videos so he could focus on the game? He only has one editor that worked on two videos. He also said that he gets distracted easily. I would just like him to work on the game then release a update in a few months saying how much he worked on instead of make a update every two weeks with small changes.
Well here's the thing:
if I look at his patreon-page, he states to need a salery of $3500 and gets $4000 currently - $500 left for savings, development-costs (i doubt he gets everything for free). Not much for paying video editors.
Also: it's his project. People should accept his decisions.
If he changes his schedule to one update every two month, people might loose interrest in following - maybe even stop supporting him on patreon so he has to end the project before it's done.
@EngineScypex He NEEDS a salary of $3500/$4000? I've been borderline surviving with just $800 and with a near doubling recently ($1640) I can live actually happily. All bills are paid. No debt. And I'm covering for my currently unemployed girlfriend. This also leaves about $300 for savings.
People pay what they want to pay. If he gets that much because people are willing to pay for it? Fantastic. Good for him. I hope he gets his shit together and actually works for it.
I'm willing to make a concession that maybe where he lives is slightly more expensive, but I live in a pretty darn pricey area and there's no way where he lives demands WELL over DOUBLE of my total salary, let alone expenses assuming he doesn't live in Sacramento, but if he does then he was there before the money and should be fine either way.
He lives alone so his expenses will be extraordinarily low. He does not need $4000, I guarantee you.
Also, it's his project, but not his money. If people lose interest because he can't be half-assed to make those updates worthwhile, that's really his own fault. There's been many a game with worse update schedules either in length of schizophrenic update cycles that still maintain their base.
I'm really sorry, but the money bit got to me. You can't play this any other way but that he has a good deal, it's more than likely he's exploiting this good deal, and his declaration of NEEDING that money is proof of so.
You're jealous, I got that.
But you know what? There are people who're willing to work for a 1000 USD a month and people who're not.
Also: it's not your decision what he earns, it depends more or less on what he wants and what people, who're actually donate, are ready to pay.
"A full time video game develloper"
"i can do multiple things in one day"
"a *FULL TIME* game develloper"
I'm sorry and I know that it has nothing to do with the subject but this is the first time I see one of your drawing videos and I love it! You are amazing!
Thank you for making this video! Most other videos on this topic seem to be cashing in on the drama, or without the intent of actually trying to help YandereDev!
Nice vid overall, just some arguments I wanted to point out.
1. "There is nothing wrong with streaming 3 hrs a day he has a life and yada yada". Yes, correct. However, he is never transparent about it. Multiple times he has stated he "never has time for himself", that "the development its eating his life" and that he "never takes breaks". All of this is disproved when we see him stream daily. Now it's completely fine for him to stream and play games and chill out, but then he goes out of his way to claim he works super hard on the game 24/7, oh no poor yanidev. It comes off as manipulative and as a excuse so people won't ask him for actual progress. Also, his twitch chat is currently subs only and he strictly deleted any kind of criticism of the game, good or bad.
2. "There's no reason to bring his past as a cringy teenager". People usually don't bring the past of someone if it doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. Just look at the ContentCops from Idubbz, he brings their past as a valid point of criticism cuz it's relevant. You say people can change, that's correct, but people bring his past purely because it proves Yanidev hasn't changed at all in all those years, he's still a victimizing moron that can't take criticism.
When he showed his first game to his idol, he gave legit criticism to improve the game and he just perceived it as "hate". What does he do recently with anyone who gives an opinion about the development of his game? Oh yeah, they're haters, hmmmm. He hasn't changed one bit, and that is relevant criticism.
He also is a sexual creep, the lolicon "memes" (btw that's more than a meme, it's been found he legit likes loli porn), he wanted nudes from an underaged girl, posting reviews of hentai games. He has a mechanic to take pics of highschooler girls' privates. "They're over 18 yo", that's just a pr excuse so his game doesn't get banned for depictions of abuse of minors, on japan all highschoolers are around 16-18yo, so he's implying they're all seniors, yeah right.
3. The Rise and Fall of Yanderedev is a mess of a video, correct. But tbf there is no "summary" of the topic on one vid of anyone else nor they're as well researched as his. So people default to use that video as an example. If someone would bother making a shorter and more polished version of that rant everyone would appreciate it, tbh it's a hard vid to watch from beginning to end.
The problem with Dev streaming so much is the fact that he makes himself out to be someone who spends every single hour of the day slaving away at his work station, programming all the time no matter what
I kinda have a problem with the argument often thrown around online about the bad things people say about/to you (harassment etc, whatever people call it), that one should just ignore it. It sounds good on paper and for most of us, if we ever get such stuff then yes, it is an easy thing we can do. However the more of a public person you are, or at the very least the more you are visible out there, the more you will attract this kind of attention. Now of course if they could just ignore it, then the amount wouldn't really be an issue. However the real problem, and the main reason why I dislike the ignore argument (mostly as a blanket solution though, I must say) is what do you do when you "have" to read emails you get from people? It could be testers of your game, inquiries about voiceover work or whatever else the person might get that could be important to the thing they are doing. By ignoring all the messages, emails and whatnot they get, they could also miss important messages they need to read and answer. It would also mean they shy away from interacting with the community, unless they or some other people heavily moderate a forum they use for this kind of thing (and that tend to be frowned upon by many).
What I want to say is that just telling people to ignore it and then act like that will solve everything doesn't really bring anything to the discussion, it's essentially just telling people to apply the standard solution to a problem that might not necessarily be solvable that way. Yes the internet is harsh and if you can't deal with it then the internet will essentially devour you like they hyena it is, but that doesn't mean we have to treat that fact as if it's the only way things has to be. Regardless of how inevitable we might think it will remain that way
Fair enough and I did miss the part where it was specifically about youtube comments so that's bad on me. And yeah if YD doesn't want to take those steps, then it is definitely fair to say just ignore it, since if they don't do any of the precautions they can do to avoid these bad comments and emails, instead adding fuel to the fire like you point out, then it is kind of hard to do anything but criticism that decision.
Guess I was kinda tired of the ignore argument in general and overreacted to it here, as well as not being too much in the know about it too. Anyway, I like your content much because of, like in your response here, I feel you're very respectable, keep doing the good job you do :D
TrulySilentLie: I am reminded of a video related to this conversation.
th-cam.com/video/zHJ55N7Q6HQ/w-d-xo.html
He recently made a blog post on his take of why he kicked the tinybuild developer to the curb. One of my favorite lines was this: "Ever since the beginning of the game's development, I never really planned to have a publisher."
You know, despite the fact that he was actively and openly planning on using the kickstarter to hire one before all the crap hit the fan and he started spending every effort on damage control.
Honestly didn't expect this situation to get big, and thought people were just saying stuff again; sort of like DaftPina talking mess about Jaiden for no reason.
Seeing how more and more people are talking about YD and the game does have me curious; especially since you're now talking about it.
I feel so sorry for yandere dev having to go through all of this when he's trying so hard to give people what they want, and all they seem to care about is hating on him for a few small things instead of seeing the whole picture as a game designer. And really its not even mistakes honestly....its mostly people just twisting everything up. And I enjoyed how you said that people "should" try making their own game and seeing
My problem with Yanderedev is his pedophilic past (you can still read his story to this day) and his entitled Elliot Rogers complex. I know it’s old but to put in perspective of his rape story about a 17 year old and how he focused so heavily on the panty shot currency it’s disturbing. And he only made the whole school 18-which is unrealistic seeing how senpai’s YOUNGER sister is a rival so that means there will be students under 18 in that game- Bc twitch wouldn’t allow his game.
Respect for giving balanced criticism. Besides being a respectable decision in regards to critique and acknowledging no one is perfect, it also helps to ease both the supporters and critics of a given person into hearing out what you have to say. Kudos.
The problem isn't his updates to the game. It's his code. If he would just spend a few months learning how to actually code by a professional then it would help speed up the development. It's either that or the game gets to the point where he will need to scrap it entirely.
FINALLY: Someone who knows what they are talking about, someone who thinks about a game developer *Logically*
and Rationally. Rather than Hateful or Loyal
It's fun because playing videogames is actually a good way to spend time as game dev, just like reading comics is for a comic artist, you can get ideas and inspirations out of itwhich can help the creative process of a game
This "drama" is becoming a free for all
About why someones points arent good
Granted some are semi decent and others are awful
Im 100%sure the game will never get made in the way yandere dev says it will.
I just want him to realize there are two things he can do:
1. Actually learn how to code. He has so much money pouring which he could use to pay for college level courses or just basic classes that can help him improve as a developer. But his sense of pride seems to be influencing him that he doesn't need the classes despite that various people, including his own role model, have told him he needs to work on his skills.
2. Just have someone else work on the mechanics of the game, pay them to do it, and still hold responsibility on the story and content of the game behind the scenes.
Shouldn't be so hard since he gets money not just from TH-camrs but from Patreon and Twitch.
I tried to sit through The Rise and Fall of YandereDev but with the constant insults and making fun of him and poking at his insecurities of the first half of the video it was really hard to take it seriously as a supposed "documentary" and with the way people have praised that video, I've had a really hard time taking that side of the argument seriously, despite having watched a lot of the videos against YandereDev to understand the whole picture.
I do however really like your video and the way you went about it is really good and balanced. Great job.
you srsly need to self reflect when someone can draft your 2 years game in 2 weeks
Will you talk about the new game theory video, also known as the persona 4 video all over again?
MangaKamen yeah,but this time is not matpat, is the other guy
Sasir You're talking about the Kingdom Hearts one aren't ya?
DarknesstheHedgehog6 When will they learn?
First Undertale, and then Persona, now Kingdom hearts......
DarknesstheHedgehog6 YES, I AM!
Reno Kyrielium i fear for frandcicses i realy love... (rayman)
You know, Dev's situation aside, (even though I wish him the best of luck at the moment) your drawing is very beautiful! I'd love to see more.
Hey, Manga Kamen!
Don't mean to be rude or anything, but I think you might be missing why people are complaining about Yandere Dev streaming. We don't have a problem with him streaming, he's a grown man and can do whatever he wants. But the fact is, that's not what he claims to be doing. To shut down arguments, he's saying that 24/7 he's working on Yandere Sim and barely getting any sleep and claims to never have vacations.
I, personally, am not a patreon of Yandere Dev, and regardless of this controversy I won't be paying money to support this game anytime soon, or ever. I'm an adult and am entitled to my opinion. But if I claim that I'm going to give a big sum of money to support the development of this game, then people are going to expect me to do what I say I'm doing. If I only gave a small sum of the money I promised, I may have given money, but not nearly as much as I promised. That's still lying.
Yandere Dev has a lot of disrespect for his fans if he thinks he can lie to their faces while at the same time receive money from them. It's one thing if this was a free project and he expected nothing in return, but it's a completely different ball game when you are ready receiving money regularly. When one receives money, you need to treat them with respect. This is why content creators are thanking their patreons, because they're giving their hard earned money toward a cause they believe is real. They believed that Yandere Dev was going to keep his word, and now their trust is broken.
Maybe not everyone will see these two factors as significant, but on the contrary, I believe they are some of the most telling clues to how Yandere Dev is as a person. He lies to his fans about how much work he's putting in to shut them up about questions, and then he takes their money with seemingly no interest in keeping his promise.
Again, I have nothing against you, and I don't mean to be rude, I just hope if you happen to read this it will help you understand where people making these arguments are coming from.
Thank you.
Few people ever talk about how well used the "Nanomachines, son" line is, they mostly just spam it as a non-sequitor response.
I want to give you a small art critique unrelated to the video, it may benefit you to avoid such grey shadows and might make your work seem more dynamic by using a bit more saturated warmer/colder hues for things like skin. There's a few other issues with the piece but overall the lineart is really good. I wasn't sure if you did the shadows/colours on separate layers but if so simply adjusting and taking more risks after the piece is done just so you can experiment can really go a long way in making your art pop.
Ah that makes a lot of sense, it is actually also pretty cool that you do a art stream while talking about these kinda subject just because I'm so used to seeing static images. Have a good day!
Thank you for the unbiased review on the situation really helped me get the picture! :) couldn't agree more
when u hear the jojo soundtrack in the vid
wow i got a coding ad for this video
"are you coding son?"
My only problem with the gaming stream stuff is that he keeps harping on that he ONLY WORKS and DEVELOPS THE ENTIRE DAY while thats pure bullshit. Ofcourse you should make time to relax, give yourself some down time, especially when you work hard, but then dont lie to your fans that you never have time for your own hobbies. He has even stated multiple times that he has no time for gaming anymore while ur boi yandev is consistently streaming from time to time. He acts like his fans and followers are utter blind idiots
About the first point of the video, It's more of people complaining about him lying about how all of his free time goes into programming the game.
Matt Pat's still does that crap with the said "internet hate, opinions and criticisms" But, besides half ass theory yandere devs video's is as you said increasing dev's stuff and yeah yandere dev is just making me facepalm. Part of me thinks he wants attention other think he's just being a douche, but him leaving tinybuild feels suspicious but, he's now back to square 1 him going solo being stressed etc etc.
Ghostly Winds
I don't watch YD's vid not this one yet, so hearing that he left Tiny Build, a company that was willing to help, made me go "Huh? WHAT?!"
That would make me curious and weary too.
thgritic102 Yeah the fact that yandere dev hid that important infomation is suspocious and I dont think he even informed anybody to why he stopped working with tiny build and what really happened.
Ghostly Winds
That really grinds my gears that he kept that a secret. I was giving him a benefit of the doubt, but I guess o was wrong.
Ghostly Winds he informed his audience that he left due to issues with the company, and that he couldn't tell his audience for months due to his contract with them, please read up on shit before you let conspiracy theories give you answers.
thgritic102 he informed his audience that he left due to issues with the company, and that he couldn't tell his audience for months due to his contract with them, please read up on shit before you let conspiracy theories give you answers.
I was like in 4th grade when this was announced. now I’m nearing highschool
The moral of the story is to take the criticism with a grain of salt and take it to heart. Even if it might cause health issues because salt might be bad for your heart.... :/
As someone who has known about this game since the very very beginning, it's amazing how much of my initial suspicions towards yanderedev became true.
I was actually exited about the developement of the game since the first idea collecting threads on 4chan back in 2014. But since the very first built he publicy released everything started to crumble. Adding tons of easter eggs instead of content, constantly delaying updates, crying abput his e-mails, adding pantyquest shit instead actual yandere gameplay, making videos that have little to nothing to do with developement and being absolutly overambitious with his vision. After his patreon was going for about half a year I jumped off and was no longer interessted in the game. 3 years later and there is still barley anything done in the game.
Honestly you hit the nail on the head for me. I got nothing to add. I'm just kinda frustrated cuz on one hand I kinda had some sort of hope for the game and desire the success. On the other I really just don't care what happens at this point, but also find the people making the videos for the sale of making videos while making claims (specifically the lolicon thing which i just learned through you lol) and adding Nothing to this whole debacle as a kinda a waste of time IMO.
Yandere-dev is a nightmare. Yes he makes a great game. Yes it functions someway. Yes he tries to trick people into thinking that the easy stuff is hard and never mentioning the hard problems.
But his over and over complains about "no no I need no help, but I'm not strong enough to do anything" and "I read ever email with love and publish every secret of my game, but people are mean and people will discover my secrets!" are tiring.
I think yandere-dev should grow up, get some sense and get this game done OR cancel it.
By the way I'm a former indie dev and I had to cancel because of moneys. I was to ambitious. I hope yandere simulator becomes a great game. But everytime I take a peek on the game I'm more and more convinced that this will never happen.
Instead #waitingforCOE
I’ve been seeing these videos quite often
MangaKamen You just responded to me...
*faints*
MangaKamen TH-cam these day,averting a dead body
That wheel of depression is true for a lot of people OUTSIDE of the internet. Because what we fail to realize, people who mean to do us harm are in the SAME world we live in--which is horrifying sometimes.
I feel like most critiques on YandereDev are basically character assassination.
You can criticise the game, and I agree that YandereDev can be a little too ambitious.
But I think that when YandereDev talks about the hate and misinformation, I think he is talking about people who include personal criticism of him as a person. Every video I have seen that criticise the game, except for this one, does this.
Unlike Game Theory who simply calls videos that criticise Matt's newer videos or just explains the new path the channel has taken, for hate videos, YandereDev actually does get personal hate and talks how him as a person.
I'm not trying to excuse all he does or says, but he does get treated unfairly.
Concerning the whole AzzMan thing, YandereDev responded to a lot of that in the comments. Basically, one of the videos titled "YandereDev gets arrested" was not flagged by YandereDev and he is pissed at AzzMan for sharing leaked info about the game and sharing sites who combines criticism and character assassination.
Aiyishia Daugherty
Could not have said better sister
came for the drama....stayed for the visual tips and inspiration for potentially improving my drawing. *takes notes*
With all due respect sir, the reason why people tend to point out the fact that he streams for hours at a time is due to the fact that Yandev claims he ONLY really Works on the game.
The people who talk about it don’t have a problema with the fact that he streams games, they have a problem with his massive ego.
MangaKamen
Woah, didn’t think you’d reply.
I’d skimmed through your pinned comment, and wanted to see if you had addressed it, but I didn’t see anything.
Again, I meant 0 disrespect, the video wasn’t bad (in my opinion)
I’ve been kinda watching a lot of your videos as of late, and I saw this video in my feed this morning, so I decided to watch it. (I hadn’t seen anything about this drama in a while)
I’m sorry for not checking when this video came out, and I’m sorry if my comment offended you in any way.
Please have a nice rest of the day.
MangaKamen
Oh, I didn’t see that.
Forgive me for not looking further into this. I’m sorry.
Well there was a reputation mechanic in Hitman Bloodmoney, where people would notice you if you went loud in other missions since your face would be in the end-of-mission newspaper, but they cut it out of the later games
The game is of absolute garbage quality. The mere thought that this person is getting thousands of dollars via Patreon and Twitch for this is disgusting. Any responsible person with experience in game development would be able to produce a better game in way less time than it took him. I'm quite assured that he has never worked with professional game devs and artists, or even programmed anything at all. First of, his code is garbage. Many people have covered this, and you can clearly see that it reflects in the broken mechanics of the game. I personally have never analyzed the code, but I'm certain that opening the binary in ILSpy would confirm this. The models are not necessarily terrible, but that's probably because they weren't made by him but actually taken from the Asset Store (and perhaps even pirated). However his ignorance of shaders and animations is making them seem worse than they are. There are mechanisms that are made specifically to make the animations blend and appear more natural in the environment, but as far as I've seen, he's incapable of doing so, and he's just making the animation respond to the currently pressed key on the keyboard/mouse. On top of all that, you need quite a beefy computer to run this game. If I'd have to guess why, it would probably be because he just loads all of the environments and models at once, renders them at all times, in full quality not doing any optimization what so ever. Well, VRAM is not the issue here I guess, since many GPUs have an abundance of it, so loading would not impact the framerate apart from the moment of the initial load, but as far as rendering goes, processing each vertex is very expensive, even if it turns out not to be visible in any of the scene cameras.
To quote a musician who help with one of the Easter Eggs of the game:
_"(username), you seem to have chosen to act like you're unaware of the amount of cash he's taking in and the lack of work he's doing on the game. Kind of offended that you'd choose to pretend you don't know other people make that game, not him, and that he refuses to pay them... He's getting paid tens of thousands of dollars annually for other people creating the game and refusing to pay them or taking advantage of their talents and not even _*_crediting_*_ them._
Another issue is his attitude in towards people in general, whether they were helping with the game or just have slight disagreements with them (he actually wanted someone to kill themselves). And finally, bringing up the past is still relevant to point out, because it can link back to his current behavior, even if it was as simple as a fucking meme.
Overall though, his game is nothing more than a mix between store-bought assests, stolen and uncredited artwork, and spaghetti coding, with a person who has a sick and twisted mind with a shitty demeanor that needs to seek some help.
"The past and present of YandereDev" you should point out the present there's more evidence stating his horrible actions as of the current time and year (2018). I understand your points of people taking his past out of context but his current behavior towards his fans, how he outs himself on a pedestal, how he still makes thousands of dollars for doing nothing, and much more.
Also your attack on Argent is linda uncalled for imo.
MangaKamen That's fair I shouldn't have used attack.
Imagine how pissed he’s going to be if someone else will put out a similar yandere game before him
Thank you! I just recently watched The rise and fall of YanDev and it got really annoying how the dude spend so much time on his past, claiming it to become relevant later on, which after a while got super uninteresting. I mean I'm not a fan and to some of his behavior I have to say that I don't like what was shown, but that stuff is still irrelevant. A lot of that just seemed like "Look at this cringey guy. Let's all laugh at him" to me. As someone not playing the game but kinda semi-looking forward to it's release it did make me more skeptical of the games development seeing some of that stuff, but it really wasn't a good video.
Korodan the Lion King
You think that's bad? I somehow stumbled across a channel that has its whole existance dedicated to destroying YandereDev. And I am not talking about roasting him. More like stalking and psychological warfare.
When I don't care about the subject but just watch the video to watch you draw, GREAT ARTWORK!
Fiiiiinally some clarification on this mess (the hell that is TH-cam wouldn't stop spamming me with the drama videos)
I find it funny that people complain about the bugs so much. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like a much better strategy to let fans play test the game and find the most obscure of glitches and bugs to report, than to slap the game onto Steam, demand money, and then have angry buyers calling him out for said bugs.
That being said, I DO agree with the point that YandereDev does get a bit stuck in the clouds with his ideas, to the point that they seem very out of bounds for what the game should be. Sure, the kitten controversy and the ethical use of Yakuzas kidnapping rivals IS f*cked up like most of the game, BUT they reach wayyyyy too far outside of the features already present. While it is easy to think too far ahead and think of a lot of possible features, it's also dangerous to put the idea out there because, of course, people will latch onto it and expect it to happen.
This video points out the many problems i had with Argent's video. He really didn't know about the game at all and then proved this when he tried playing it. There are many great points in this video. Good job having real criticism instead of just bashing the guy.
I do admit the game has it problems and the developer has its own problems but nobody is perfect! Sometimes having a stressful schedule like Yandere Dev can put lots of stress on Yandere Dev, the last thing he wants is more stress and i feel like this sometimes cause him to get have a temper and make him not think clearly when he get criticism, because of that without thinking about it he disabled the comments. Lots of people criticise he put easter eggs only on the game, but he only does that to maintain the popularity of the game otherwise no one will look forward to the final product because everyone would have enough. I will admit the code is poorly made, but he is going to fix those with the Kickstarter once he gets most of the basic structure setup for his demo release. So all of us must Support YandereDev! Because he isn't just a Dev of a game but because he is a human being like you and me. Its easy to criticise and rant, but its not easy having a life that Yandere Dev put himself just for you guys. Just to sum this up I believe YandereDev should be given benefit of the doubt even though he may have done questionable things in the past, if he can make up for those in the past then i am certain we will come back to being his supporters again and the first step for that is for to get the game close to ready as possible.
Nice joke.
Except any actual human like you and me WON'T react the same way like him (ie. being a total asshole) over people just pointing out the basic things his game is lacking. Stressed out and overworked? Does he even have an actual job which he does 8 hours in the day that'll lead him to be too tired to work on his computer at night? What kind of programmer would have that health-threatening hard time when 90% of his assets are bought from Unity while every other indie game developers would start theirs from scratch? Why does he need to wait until for the Kickstarter to fix the bad coding when he was already making passive profits as high as $4000-5000 a month, enough for him to spare some money to hire staffs and assistance to help him on the game? Stop giving everyone that "Nobody is perfect" excuse when all he needed to do was to be a decent human being.
he is the one that treats his fans and volunteers badly, rejected the help of a company + he steals and buys assets and he plays games daily. that should not be stressful.
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Two things:
1. The video is well made, and went straight to the point in getting to the subjects. Didn't drag on, and kept us informed. I congratulate you on it~2. 2:11 - 2:15 And is that a Jojo reference OwO?! I know there's more, but gotta love ya for them~
I have to disagree on the streaming point, considering he claims to work on Yandere Simulator so much yet spends copious hours streaming. If it was infrequent and/or they're not very long streams, sure, I could get behind that. But that's not the case here. He's spending hours upon hours streaming when he's earning thousands of dollars on Patreon to work on this game. This is a case of mismanaged time. How many of those hours could be spent implementing Osana or working on bug fixes? You make a good point about needing to have some free time but when it gets to a point where it becomes a detriment to the game, you need to dial it back. That being said, this was a pretty good video.
Subbing not cuz of this drama stuff but because I love watching people draw like this. Helps me find areas to improve in on the way as well.
the difference between MatPat and YandereDev is that even though MatPat did that dumb video and got hate he was still productive.how is YanDev making thousands a month and can't just hire some actual pro coders??
Anna do you know how much professional programmers make? If he is making 5000 a month on patreon that might seem like alot, but it would take every penny of that to pay a good programmer to work full time on the game. Just one.
thank you for finally making an unbiased video on this instead of beating a dead horse for as much dirt one can possibly dig up on it that is oftentimes irrelevant and/or extremely old
thanks for making actually relevant and good points
the only thing missing is something everyone else said
I never knew about this whole drama. Heh. Interesting insight
Mr. R same here.
He spends his time streaming instead of working on the game. He keeps adding Easter eggs and other useless shit we don’t need instead of working on Osana. It’s been 5 years.
What the hell you don't have to know every character in this "game" to see that this leads to nothing. He owns nothing in this game. Also most points that argent makes in his video are about yanderedev's behaviour not the game itself for example that he basically scams teenagers for money then he streams for hours while telling everyone IN THE STREAM how hard he is working on the game. To make that clear i personally wouldn't care if he would say that does things a his own paise and the game will be done when it's done but can't do that because he knows if he would do that he wouldn't be relevant anymore and people would stop throwing money at him. Also refuses to get professional help with the game because they would need to throw him out of development if they want to make progress. There's one thing i would like that keep people in there mind we don't talk about a child or teenager here he is adult and often times he doesn't act like one (which i of course okay sometimes) and admit when he fucks up something.
MangaKamen first of all you should not assume that doesn't know the content of the relevant videos or that had bad intentions by leaving this comment but that's besides the point. To be totally honest with i don't want in a he said she said argument for more important to talk about yanderedev himself. In my opinion there's only one thing he can do, he needs to professional help with the game that's only when he wants to finish. A alternative solutions would be for him to start learning more about game development through courses an seminars (the for that would be there) and i many people think you get better if just do what you want to do but at this it shows that he is very good at it and no critique on him btw but he doesn't seem to want to get better at his craft and that's i guess to fact that some many people telling him that he is a basically a professional to the point that he actually believes that himself. Like i said at beginning that comment has nothing to do with you as a person or with to video you made it's more about the fact that we have a fully grown men who doesn't can get his get his game done and refuses any help we'll would love to get for free and the person has to shut up all the time of course. (Leaves comment behind you "nothing personal kid much love ")
MangaKamen okay when we are why the arguing ? I tell you where come form me and many people especially people that are a bit older are really angry about YD because we are angry that he scams children and teenagers pretending to work on his game and that has to stop.
MangaKamen so you someone who likes point out writing errors okay. That means i don't have nice so try this once again i don't give a fuck about argent or his videos so stop mentioning him all time the only that concerns me is that people often times very young people won't stop throwing money at him while he is pretending to work on his. Like i said i don't what's your problem with when we clearly on same side on this. I didn't even talk much about your video. Hope you understand my point now it's not about you or me or argent it's only about YD so i don't know why have to be so rude.
MangaKamen don't you get i?i try to get away from that argent shit and you are bringing it up again all you argent and his video i don't give a fuck about it it doesn't matter i know maybe i shouldn't have bring him and i think that's the reason why you felt attacked and sorry if that is the case. remember we are for the most part on the same side. i don't want to just leave this conversation with you think that was trying to insult you. So are we good?
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Maybe he wouldn't have to explain it over and over again if you would stop whining about argent
There’s also the fact that after he partnered with TinyBuild, the TinyBuild programmer really cleaned up his code when he/she ported it to the newest unity version; but rather than take the time to familiarize himself with this improved code, he instead terminated the partnership and went back to his old spaghetti code.
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He's throwing his own pity parties and everything. I used to be interested but...not so much anymore. He's a grown baby.
What bothers me is people pointing out the past . It's not cool. Like c'mon. I really wish that Yandere Dev just ignored it and focused on the supportive comments. He made the situation worse by addressing the issue and disabling the comments. I do hope that in the future he wouldn't acknowledge the hate . BUT consider the constructive criticism.
He said in his last blog update that the biggest problem are fans that get more focused on the drama and start to spread misinformation about the game, making the project lose it's credibility, which isn't good for when he has to open the kickstart
Well, it's hard to focus on your project and keep your motivation if a lot of people you make this project for feels obligated to dig in your life/past and spread even unqualified lies, just so they have material for their own stuff to get a bit of money.
Lies? Not really, I'm not one to believe without evidence but I've literally seen streams of yanderedev making overly sexual sounds and jokes in front of his audience, who keep in mind are minors. He hasn't changed, someone who writes detailed stories about sexual slavery and tells people to, and I quote, "kill themselves" is not a good person. Like honestly, why the fuck are the fangirls getting their panties in a twist when we expose the fact yanderedev acts in an innapropriate manner in front of young kids. His audience isn't Pewdiepie's or Mattpat's, they're mostly young teens or children. Conduct like that is wrong, he's a fucking creep. It's pathetic that people are messed up enough to justify disgusting shit like that
Seiko Shinobaka Do I need to remind you that the game is for mature audiences? Why would he care if there were children watching his stream, if they know or play his game it's already on them.