Agreed! I’ve always wondered if they dropped him on his head when they were dragging him out the back door of the basement and leaving John in the snow. At least the expert said he would’ve been unconscious after the blow to his head. How CRUEL!! What a crime! Poor John & family, poor Karen. WTH are any of them going to get by putting her through these miserable trials for years!!?
I have a hard time feeling sympathy for OJO’s family. They have the science that says clearly Karen Read didn’t hit OJO, they chose not to believe it because she’s an easy patsy. And the mom laughing about proctors texts. Yeah, I can’t find sympathy in me. They are choosing to torment Karen Read for something she had nothing to do with. I’m thinking this behavior is typical for them, it didn’t just start. Karma…you can’t stop her.
@JessSpouting 👏 👏 👏 yes. I felt bad that they lost a child but these people are ridiculous. So hateful. I've tried to put my feelings in theirs (if this was my son) but I am not ugly inside. I could never make fun of someone's health. Proctor reminds me so much of my nasty narc ex. He was disgusting when he spoke. Obviously silver tongued good guy to the public but when the mask fell off behind closed doors. Bad at lying but sneak and thought he was untouchable like this douche nozzle. But for his family to hatefully spew at this woman. ESPECIALLY WHEN KAREN READ BAILED THAT BROTHER OUT OF A DUI BEFORE THIS!!! This whole thing is gross. They took this narrative and ran and that's their mistake. Making it into a vicious murder. Gtfo. I've seen the corruption here first hand.
I don't understand how someone can look at this evidence and think there is no room for reasonable doubt. There is SO much shit that happened during the investigation that is shady or just plain juvenile , even the testimonies from law enforcement officers was shady, trying to reword and evade every question.
You mean after the slimy attorneys started the smear campaign and the fan club began?? There was nothing wrong with the investigation..she admitted it day one and then lied after..blamed it on innocent people..she’s a narcissist and is laughing at you.
I can answer that, they're uneducated jurors that are casting the verdict based on whether they think she did it or not. They're not using reasonable doubt standard, they're using the "well this is what I think happened" standard.
I agree. I am not saying she is innocent, but I am saying there is definitely reasonable doubt. So she should've been found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, unapologetically: the lack of critical thinking skills in many Americans plus the anti-science rhetoric for the past decade pointed to jurors ignoring the massive amount of reasonable doubt.
This is absolutely mind blowing to me! I want to hear from the "guilty" jurors on what the hell they saw that the rest of the world didn't bc NO ONE truly watching this trial should have come up with guilty SMH
I remember seeing somewhere that employees that actually work in the factories that make those cups don’t use them because of the unsanitary way they are made.
Unbelievable- an eye opener for me. The power that LE has, is scary. Your life liberty and pursuit of happiness can be taken away based on a half a$$ investigation and a way too powerful judicial system. What if she didn't have $$ for Defense. Happens everyday. "Liberty may be endangered by the abuse of liberty, but also by the abuse of power". J. Madison
Well she had the best and look what happened. How do you get the real people who did that to him. These cops useless and now it's no one. Someone needs to get picked up and given immunity for the real story.
@@adriennem7927Anytime a cop gets killed they are forced to convict someone, anyone. Trust me on this one! #Doesn't Matter Who. Karen Reed Has Been Merely A Scapegoat. Listening To The Commonwealth Evidence You Should Know That She Didn't Kill John!!! 😭😭😭
They stick to feelings instead of evidence and reasoned arguments. They also cling to personally feeling responsible that they might be letting a guilty person go by not allowing them to be retried instead of feeling guilt for the possibility that they are destroying an innocent person's life. They don't consider both sides of the issue with due weight and they definitely do not remain impartial to give a verdict based on the evidence in the case solely It is the prosecutors job to collect all evidence and make a strongly reasoned case before making public accusations and charges. It is their fault solely if they failed to do that and are unable to retry in the future because of it, it is not for a jury to refuse to give an acquittal verdict because they are afraid that there's a chance that they could be guilty and know that they would be unable to be tried again in the future if that turned out to be the case. If we allow the state to operate this way anybodies life could be ruined at anytime simply by accusation alone
Yes and small, old New England Towns STILL have an attitude of being secular and being haughty. They’re really not that special but it never dawns on them to think that way.
But I stuck to the big picture..don’t believe in cover ups or conspiracies cause all guilty people defend that way.,what I find alarming is the amount who just discarded evidence..24 mph in reverse 60 feet? DNA on taillight? I HATE YOU? Taillight pieces in his clothes?? Try that big picture..oh wait I hit him I hit him oh god I hit him?
@@iBlueClovrI stuck to evidence..stop with your brainwashing colon inhabitant..24 mph in reverse 60 feet equals one pissed off scorned woman..he dumped her..
Having followed this trial from the pre-trial hearings to the end, it is insanity for a rational-minded person to vote guilty for any of Karen's charges. However, seeing how deep the corruption is embedded in Norfolk County and the DA this verdict doesn't surprise me. For those jurors being on the guilty side, voting not guilty would mean admitting that a change needs to be made against the establishment and their way of life. I honestly don't think the next trial will be any different. The defense is taking on an institution that is powerful and dangerous to the core. They will protect their own at all costs. If Johns's family can't even see after being presented scientific evidence of Karen's innocence and. they still believe she is guilty,. Despicable behavior to allow the McAlberts at closing arguments to intimidate the jurors. I am hopeful but also very scared of what this will mean for Karen going forward. I don't think a 2nd trial will be any different as long as it's held in MA. I am so disappointed that a state can still be so unbelievably backward and bias.
Sad but true. Makes me so angry. But they have to live under that crap. One day when it bites them maybe they will understand it. To everyone else-move! Fast!
They'll have to lie, just like the first jury did. No one told them they can vote on their conviction, their opinion. A lawyer was supposedly there. How insane can you be thinking the trials all about you (them) am I right??? I was on a jury. Voted what the guy didn't do for his tenant, not what I WOULD DO FOR MY TENANT!
An alternate juror, #3, gave an interview to one of the Boston TV stations and she said she wasn't in on the deliberations, but she felt the CW did not prove it's case beyond a resonable doubt.
All I wanna know is WHAT the HELL did the jurors who said the prosecution proved their case see?!? And also does this have to go before this same damn judge?! Because I’d have my lawyers filing everything they could to get her moved off this new trial!
@504CreoleCrystal It depends on the rules of the court. Since they jabe to start again, they might be able to paper the judge... but, again, depends on local rules. It's also a real risk, because the new judge might be worse.
If Bev is the judge, those pre-trial motions will be simply preservation for a potential appeal. Most of the evidence was plagued with chain of custody issues, and she let it stand. Also, you should watch her open hostility during the pre-trial motions.
I wondered how much of that evidence wasn't excluded the first time around. No chain of custody on physical evidence gathered, falsified records, lack of expertise from expert witnesses all seemed like reasonable grounds for exclusion.
I’m extremely curious what the FBIs investigation outcome will be and how it could affect her case. I watched this as a juror with no prior knowledge and I definitely had reasonable doubt!
Me too..I could've never convicted on their evidence and testimony. Though we have a good idea of the FBI investigation. I wonder if they will place names to the deeds.
It's crazy that a couple GENIUSES ended up on that jury... because you would have to be pretty damn intelligent to KNOW more about physics and biomechanics than both of the PHD experts that work for the FBI and DOJ...
I know right!! I live in NC, nothing invested in this case. From the get-go, those wounds were so oddly placed on JO, not to mention the wounds he didn’t have. Only the Defense explained! It wasn’t a car accident, the wounds were dog paws and teeth.
@@LT11721 And a fractured skull… I’ve always wondered if they dropped him on his head when they were dragging him out the back door of the basement and leaving John in the snow. At least the expert said, he would’ve been unconscious after the blow to his head. How CRUEL!! What a crime! Poor John & family, poor Karen. WTH are any of them going to get by putting her through these miserable trials for years!!?
How could even 1 person think she is guilty? This case is the clearest case of corruption I've ever seen. Everyone involved in this persecution needs to be investigated for corruption. Beginning with trooper Proctor.
I get how someone could consider she's guilty but if you follow the instructions jurors are given properly, it's impossible. Beyond a reasonable doubt means an average reasonable person. I feel the guilt verdict jurors are not being reasonable
I think the CW stating they are bringing this is standard but I don't see it going forward. Their case was a total disaster and the results are likely to be the same.
No way anyone with a PhD or MD degrees are willing to testify for CW with their theory of how KR killed JO. They’ve worked too hard and long to then have their reputation and credibility go in flames.
Mistrial...because she's NOT Guilty! Karen Reed did not kill her boyfriend. I hope there is a current investigation into the lying cops, who should be charged 4 lying under oath, as well as murder!!!!!!!
Proctor has been transferred out of the department. Likely his union saved him from being fired. A Internal Investigation hasn’t been completed yet and the Federal Investigation is ongoing.
They already did attack all their evidence…. All due respect to the “guilty” vote jurors, but I would LOVE to know what they heard that made them believe a guilty verdict was justified. Shocking and concerning to say the least.
They need to get a change of venue but I will be surprised if they retry it the prosecution's case has been a shitshow. I mean proctor just blew the damn thing up I just don't understand how anybody could have came up with guilty I mean there has been how many people say that he wasn't hit by a car I want to know how many people were voting for guilty
Agree. The Aruba trip was soo irrelevant. It's like new flash. adult asks like a drunken 15 year old and makes his girlfriend make some pithy remarks so that is somehow evidence of homicide. not.. Lally called drunken person after drunken person and what did he prove? No one claimed they saw the incident.
The defense will be fully primed with more evidence. I don't see a re trial coming but I also don't put it passed the CW to try. No way are 12 going to agree on a conviction.
BTW, Lally changed the story in closing and said the simple explanation is that KR's car hit JO on the shoulder. Except, the taillight would have been around his elbow, not shoulder.
I love your confidence, Peter! I don’t like how fast the DA stated they’d retry this, but I’m glad you feel that the defense is right to feel they can win this. Thank you for your fantastic coverage! I’m sticking with you for any upcoming cases you’re covering….as long as you take it easy on your Dad and his audio issues 😅 He’s perfect, even when his audio isn’t.
It was a standard press release put out by the DA's office. Apparently, they start by putting that standard press release out after all mistrials. It will be interesting to see how that position evolves after reflection.
Unless theres some bombshell that shows Karen is guilty I also feel really bad for her cuz of how much these lawyers are probably costing, AND NOW SHE HAS TO DO IT ALL AGAIN!!! I hope she can sue the pants off that police department and get that momey back for the trial
SARAH BOONE has written another letter. HOWEVER it is a letter from when she found out Cashman filed to withdraw. It's dated 6/25. In this letter she THINKS she's getting another attorney! Delusional. I love that for whatever reason, Wootten isn't the judge anymore. Kraynick is taking care of business. Oh and she also thanks Kraynick in advance for listening to her etc. She didn't know yet that Cashman's withdrawal was granted AND that she is now representing herself. But i just wanted to let you know of another letter.
Juries are instructed to err on the side of caution, so that if there is any doubt about guilt, they should acquit, rather than risk convicting an innocent person. The principal is "It's better to let 10 guilty people go free than to wrongly convict one innocent person." How can anyone possibly find her guilty?
Paul needs an immediate restraining order if he said what they're saying he said ‼️ This guy is either extremely ignorant or agreeing with the Albert's because they have something on him 🤔
He’s not a nice person. Ironically, he was drunk driving at 24 mph and then hit an old man, caused him paralyzed from the waist down. He also took the trust fund that KR has set up for his niece and nephew but used the fund toward renovating his house. Isn’t he such a lovely, thoughtful uncle? 🤔
Just my option here. I believe some of the issue as to why they may not have come to a Verdict..was do to the Jury Instruction, they were Not as clear to me as the judge thought they where....I would have has a lot of questions( sent back out to the judge ) and talked ALOt with My fellow jurors about it. Even after tbe added Instruction from the judge. Just 1 opinion here.
It's unbelievable that experts were on the stand stating he was NOT hit by a car or would have far more injuries and experts who stated it WAS a dog attack and Karen was home at 12:36am! I guess the jurors were sleeping. I wonder if they tell their doctor's they are liars🤣Its a sad shame this is what our justice system has come to.
Great coverage of this rather odd yet interesting trial, Peter👏 a) Odd, bcuz it should of never got to this point.. 🧐imo. b) Interesting bcuz after 67 witnesses over 9wks, the prosecutor didn’t come close to proving “his case theory”. If anything, he proved KR did not hit OJOK w/her big, new SUV (bigger size to give the kids more room vs OJOK’s much smaller SUV) -there was another SUV in front of 34 Fairview, a Ford Edge.. similar to the Albert’s Ford Edges, as Brian Sr & Colin each drove one. *Biggest Shocker!?! c) a Mass State ME ruled the manner of death: Undetermined!! So we have no homocide, yet a woman is charged w/murder to manslaughter & drunk driving. *ONLY IN AMERICA🧨🇺🇸🎆
The CW did prove for example: 1. Indisputable independant scientific evidence as to data (not challenged by the defense team): (a). At 12:25 am - JO’s GPS phone data shows him stopping at the edge of the Alberts property (doesn’t show any further movement from this point onwards and he does not go into the Alberts home). * JO’s niece testified that KR told her she and JO had been arguing - this would explain the 6 minutes from KR pulling up (above) to her reversing and hitting JO (below). (b). At 12:31 am - KR’s (Lexus/Toyota) SUV data shows she slams it in to reverse going back 62 feet at approx 25 mph, and also being a classic signature of a pedestrian strike/accident of some sort. Further registered was a slight turn of the steering wheel from left to right (JO would’ve been on the rear right side of the SUV having got out of the vehicle to walk towards the Alberts drive way to go to the front/side door). (c). At 12:32 am - JO’s health app phone data shows JO stops moving for the last time and in the exact location where he was found, also lining up with his GPS phone data. JO could not, and did not, go into the Alberts house. 2. Indisputable CCTV footage (not challenged by the defense team): (a). At 4:18 pm KR’s SUV left her parents house, at 5:31 pm it arrived outside the Sally Port, at 5:36 pm it was driven in to the SP and at 5:38 pm the door closes with Michael Proctor inside. (b). At 5:40 pm, MP is seen still inside the SP with another 4/5 LE officers present. 3. At 5:41 pm, the SERT team begin searching Fairview Road in 3 feet deep of snow finding pieces of the taillight (and other things) in different places. 4. There was no time and opportunity for MP to break the taillight at the SP, take the pieces to Fairview Road and then plant them in different places and 3 feet deep in the snow. Not to say without a trace of him having done so, nor being seen by numerous people. 5. After KR left JO, she called him leaving vile and hate language voicemails about him and the kids: “John I f***ing hate you”, “John I’m here with your f***ing kids”, “You are a f***ing pervert”, “I’m with your f***ing niece and nephew”, “You’re a f***ing loser” and “F**** yourself”. 6. Also via voicemail (shortly after getting to his house) she also asked him where he was and said that “nobody” knows where he is. Yet she had allegedly just dropped him off and nothing had allegedly happened. And who are the “nobodies” she refers to when she hadn’t even called anyone at that point and why would they be concerned where JO is. 7. KR told Kerry Roberts that JO was dead before she had even left JO’s house and he was found. 8. KR said, “I hit him” (3 times) at the time JO was found. 9. The above is also verified/supported by: (a). What was put to the court during KR’s bail hearing accepting she said she hit him (3 times), it was a Motor Vehicle Accident and KR was of no criminal intent (and other things) - Stoughton District Court on 2 February 2022 (with Yannetti attorney). (b). Her dad (via an interview) saying KR told him at the time: (i). “Dad I think I struck something”. (ii). “I remember backing up and hitting something” (obviously not JO’s vehicle as she wouldn’t have used the word “something”). (c). KR said (via an interview): “What I thought could have happened was that did I incapacitate him unwittingly, somehow, and then in his drunkenness, he passed out”.
I think it’s possible there was only 1 juror that wanted guilty, but the person writing the note wanted to keep it vague. They said “some of us” which could mean 1 or more.
the letter said due to "deeply held personal values etc." juries are supposed to follow the principal of law and the instructions given to them no their own, this is why Jury needs to be a job
I have a question. Pretrial, the defense attorneys attempted various things to get the case dismissed for the exact same things we watched during trial. The judge limited a lot. If I recall right, the procedures or part of the shoddy investigation so the defense had to introduce it in a less straight forward way and let jurors conclude from it. All evidence/discovery is supposed to be shared pre trial so no surprises. I keep hearing attorneys say, “Now that the defense has…” My question is, how does having it now change anything for them knowing the judge limits or doesn’t allow it because she didn’t prior to this trial?
In any other venue the case would have been decided very quickly and Ms.Read would have been found not guilty as well as leading to charges against many of the Prosecutors witnesses. The FBI needs to release their findings and investigate further if necessary.
How in the world can JO’keefe’s family swallow up the lies, the butt dials, no evidence of him being hit by car…yet there they sit with the Alberts and McCabe’s blaming Karen, without any real evidence, just bad vibes?!? I mean that’s what I got from John’s brother Pauls interview 🙄🤪😬🤦🏻♀️
I just got a notification from TH-cam and when I went to click on it, it came back saying it was private?? What’s up with that?? It was about the truth about the what really happened??
I wanna know what John’s brother said to Karen on his way out ! She didn’t look happy after 😂 And she’s down bad for celebrating like that in front the family! I’m going to write a letter to Commonwealth and give them a couple tips that’ll help them prove that she hit him . Although I don’t think she did it on purpose
I want to know why are all the cops drinking and driving. Everyone should be charged with something in this case. Even the ones that were passengers in the vehicle’s all we’re drinking. This is mind boggling. And to the jury that thought guilty, why so much reasonable doubt. And I do feel so bad for john’s family. FBI should be investigating this matter period!
In my opinion, the jurors, who wanted a guilty vetdict were rather influenced by the fact that the defence made it a case against the local LE. Think about it, these jurors are local! And Alberts & Co.appearing for the closing arguments gave a sign to this jury.... it was so obvious to me. If this case is going to be retried, it should not be held in the same venue.
Prosecution has the burden of proof . They obviously didn't Prove she did it . There is so much reasonable doubt . Why is this a hung jury ? And not an aquital ?
Defense will gain many new clients due to all the coverage, they will happily keep going. Also, with all the smiles at the end, I think they have some inside info that will be important moving forward.
They know time is on their side. Proctor relieved of his duties helps them. The federal investigation helps them. They have even more time to prime up which helps them. They bought Karen more time which helps them. They know all of the crappy evidence and testimony now which helps them. And they will find more. No 12 will ever convict on this. The CW shouldn't even bother to retry but they're clearly stubborn for even trying to begin with.
I really think the comments about some of the jurors being uneducated, stupid, etc. are unfair. Juries are a sampling of people just like all of us, and also like us, they were very divided about this case. So, a mistrial, while unfortunate, is really not surprising. #freekarenread
The State is on the record now, re witness testimony & collected evidence. For them to change these facts to fit their advantage will likely result in another anti-police suspicion-filled mistrial. Also, another trial gives KR's defense team more time to come up with even more possibilities to present & investigate, re what happened that night. So, the State should seriously have a fresh perspective if they're going to continue with this. I do feel badly for the O'Keefe family though. They're caught in the middle. And I think they should steer clear of the Alberts & the McCabes in the meantime. Just in case they were involved. I think they were.
By multiple jurors I am betting that it could mean just the 1 who thought Karen guilty …. It’s all smoke and mirrors ! One can only hope that the juror after reading all the furore surrounding this case feels SHAME ! The lack of believable evidence and the fact that the justice department/FBI are investigating the investigators in this case is very telling ! I have no skin in the game and watched the entire trial and there is profound reasonable doubt !
Hmmm anyone wonder why Brian Albert showed up the last two days of trial? Those folks have to live in that town with him and the other police officers. Just saying
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I feel bad for John's family. They deserved an investigation, not to frame someone.
Agreed! I’ve always wondered if they dropped him on his head when they were dragging him out the back door of the basement and leaving John in the snow. At least the expert said he would’ve been unconscious after the blow to his head. How CRUEL!! What a crime! Poor John & family, poor Karen. WTH are any of them going to get by putting her through these miserable trials for years!!?
I have a hard time feeling sympathy for OJO’s family. They have the science that says clearly Karen Read didn’t hit OJO, they chose not to believe it because she’s an easy patsy. And the mom laughing about proctors texts. Yeah, I can’t find sympathy in me. They are choosing to torment Karen Read for something she had nothing to do with. I’m thinking this behavior is typical for them, it didn’t just start. Karma…you can’t stop her.
@JessSpouting 👏 👏 👏 yes. I felt bad that they lost a child but these people are ridiculous. So hateful. I've tried to put my feelings in theirs (if this was my son) but I am not ugly inside. I could never make fun of someone's health. Proctor reminds me so much of my nasty narc ex. He was disgusting when he spoke. Obviously silver tongued good guy to the public but when the mask fell off behind closed doors. Bad at lying but sneak and thought he was untouchable like this douche nozzle. But for his family to hatefully spew at this woman. ESPECIALLY WHEN KAREN READ BAILED THAT BROTHER OUT OF A DUI BEFORE THIS!!! This whole thing is gross. They took this narrative and ran and that's their mistake. Making it into a vicious murder. Gtfo. I've seen the corruption here first hand.
I only feel bad that they lost a loved one. If they can't open their eyes to reality that is something totally different.
How can they even attempt prosecution after an FBI investigation verified he was hit by a vehicle?
I don't understand how someone can look at this evidence and think there is no room for reasonable doubt. There is SO much shit that happened during the investigation that is shady or just plain juvenile , even the testimonies from law enforcement officers was shady, trying to reword and evade every question.
You mean after the slimy attorneys started the smear campaign and the fan club began?? There was nothing wrong with the investigation..she admitted it day one and then lied after..blamed it on innocent people..she’s a narcissist and is laughing at you.
I can answer that, they're uneducated jurors that are casting the verdict based on whether they think she did it or not. They're not using reasonable doubt standard, they're using the "well this is what I think happened" standard.
I agree. I am not saying she is innocent, but I am saying there is definitely reasonable doubt. So she should've been found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
@@cdelane3335I am saying she's innocent simply because John was not hit by a car, and that's scientifically undisputed.
Deep corruption.
I wanna know how many multiple idiots were on that jury shame on them
I have several times read that juries are composed of people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, unapologetically: the lack of critical thinking skills in many Americans plus the anti-science rhetoric for the past decade pointed to jurors ignoring the massive amount of reasonable doubt.
Peter, why do they get to juror to pass a verdict on their opinion???? Their conviction??? They are not judge n jury just jury...
This is absolutely mind blowing to me! I want to hear from the "guilty" jurors on what the hell they saw that the rest of the world didn't bc NO ONE truly watching this trial should have come up with guilty SMH
It’s usually dumb shit like she smiled too much in court and looked smug
I'm sick about it!
The same ones that voted Democrat
Exactly!
@@kattykakes8135 lol! No doubt!!!! 😂😂😂
I liked when the one officer who was asked if red solo cups are sterile, replied: I don’t know what sterile means.
😳😳😳WHAT!?
I remember seeing somewhere that employees that actually work in the factories that make those cups don’t use them because of the unsanitary way they are made.
Unbelievable- an eye opener for me. The power that LE has, is scary. Your life liberty and pursuit of happiness can be taken away based on a half a$$ investigation and a way too powerful judicial system. What if she didn't have $$ for Defense. Happens everyday. "Liberty may be endangered by the abuse of liberty, but also by the abuse of power". J. Madison
Excellent comment! Thank you.
Well she had the best and look what happened. How do you get the real people who did that to him. These cops useless and now it's no one. Someone needs to get picked up and given immunity for the real story.
I’ve been saying since day one what if she couldn’t afford good defense attorneys.
If you don't vote for Biden you will see your rights taken as well!❤
@@adriennem7927Anytime a cop gets killed they are forced to convict someone, anyone. Trust me on this one! #Doesn't Matter Who. Karen Reed Has Been Merely A Scapegoat. Listening To The Commonwealth Evidence You Should Know That She Didn't Kill John!!! 😭😭😭
This is why lawyers like uneducated jurors with no critical thinking skills, sadly. They stick to small things instead if the big picture.
They stick to feelings instead of evidence and reasoned arguments. They also cling to personally feeling responsible that they might be letting a guilty person go by not allowing them to be retried instead of feeling guilt for the possibility that they are destroying an innocent person's life. They don't consider both sides of the issue with due weight and they definitely do not remain impartial to give a verdict based on the evidence in the case solely
It is the prosecutors job to collect all evidence and make a strongly reasoned case before making public accusations and charges. It is their fault solely if they failed to do that and are unable to retry in the future because of it, it is not for a jury to refuse to give an acquittal verdict because they are afraid that there's a chance that they could be guilty and know that they would be unable to be tried again in the future if that turned out to be the case. If we allow the state to operate this way anybodies life could be ruined at anytime simply by accusation alone
Guess they had some dummies obviously
Yes and small, old New England Towns STILL have an attitude of being secular and being haughty. They’re really not that special but it never dawns on them to think that way.
But I stuck to the big picture..don’t believe in cover ups or conspiracies cause all guilty people defend that way.,what I find alarming is the amount who just discarded evidence..24 mph in reverse 60 feet? DNA on taillight? I HATE YOU? Taillight pieces in his clothes?? Try that big picture..oh wait I hit him I hit him oh god I hit him?
@@iBlueClovrI stuck to evidence..stop with your brainwashing colon inhabitant..24 mph in reverse 60 feet equals one pissed off scorned woman..he dumped her..
Having followed this trial from the pre-trial hearings to the end, it is insanity for a rational-minded person to vote guilty for any of Karen's charges.
However, seeing how deep the corruption is embedded in Norfolk County and the DA this verdict doesn't surprise me.
For those jurors being on the guilty side, voting not guilty would mean admitting that a change needs to be made against the establishment and their way of life. I honestly don't think the next trial will be any different. The defense is taking on an institution that is powerful and dangerous to the core. They will protect their own at all costs.
If Johns's family can't even see after being presented scientific evidence of Karen's innocence and. they still believe she is guilty,. Despicable behavior to allow the McAlberts at closing arguments to intimidate the jurors.
I am hopeful but also very scared of what this will mean for Karen going forward. I don't think a 2nd trial will be any different as long as it's held in MA.
I am so disappointed that a state can still be so unbelievably backward and bias.
EXCELLENT comment!! ✌🏽
Completely agree. Very well said!
Sad but true. Makes me so angry. But they have to live under that crap. One day when it bites them maybe they will understand it. To everyone else-move! Fast!
Well written! 👏🏼 Completely agree.
They'll have to lie, just like the first jury did. No one told them they can vote on their conviction, their opinion. A lawyer was supposedly there. How insane can you be thinking the trials all about you (them) am I right??? I was on a jury. Voted what the guy didn't do for his tenant, not what I WOULD DO FOR MY TENANT!
An alternate juror, #3, gave an interview to one of the Boston TV stations and she said she wasn't in on the deliberations, but she felt the CW did not prove it's case beyond a resonable doubt.
Good call; I’m a Mass resident. State’s case was a mess.
Proctor being relieved of his duties to me, shows the Jury should have come back with not guilty.
All I wanna know is WHAT the HELL did the jurors who said the prosecution proved their case see?!? And also does this have to go before this same damn judge?! Because I’d have my lawyers filing everything they could to get her moved off this new trial!
@504CreoleCrystal It depends on the rules of the court. Since they jabe to start again, they might be able to paper the judge... but, again, depends on local rules. It's also a real risk, because the new judge might be worse.
@@InternetJury thanks for the explanation!
If Bev is the judge, those pre-trial motions will be simply preservation for a potential appeal. Most of the evidence was plagued with chain of custody issues, and she let it stand. Also, you should watch her open hostility during the pre-trial motions.
I wondered how much of that evidence wasn't excluded the first time around. No chain of custody on physical evidence gathered, falsified records, lack of expertise from expert witnesses all seemed like reasonable grounds for exclusion.
I’m extremely curious what the FBIs investigation outcome will be and how it could affect her case. I watched this as a juror with no prior knowledge and I definitely had reasonable doubt!
Same here. They definitely didn't prove she was guilty!
Me too..I could've never convicted on their evidence and testimony. Though we have a good idea of the FBI investigation. I wonder if they will place names to the deeds.
How can someone sit in this trial and think there is proof, beyond a reasonable doubt , that she did it. NO WAY
People in the McAlbert's pocket
Make the commonwealth publicly declare how much taxpayer money it will cost to retry her. Absolutely disguting.
She will not be tried again. The FBI will see to that.
I hope you’re right, cause proctor is crooked as a country mile
It already started, they relieved Proctor from his duties!
Got my popcorn 🍿 and ready for the arrests
I truly hope you are right! What they did to her was wrong on sooooooooo many levels.
💯 Agree! Karen will be least of their problems very soon..FBI will keep them occupied 😊❤️
It's crazy that a couple GENIUSES ended up on that jury... because you would have to be pretty damn intelligent to KNOW more about physics and biomechanics than both of the PHD experts that work for the FBI and DOJ...
I know right!! I live in NC, nothing invested in this case. From the get-go, those wounds were so oddly placed on JO, not to mention the wounds he didn’t have. Only the Defense explained! It wasn’t a car accident, the wounds were dog paws and teeth.
Unfortunately, the jurors didn't know it was the FBI. I just hope they end up dropping the charges or NG round 2.
@@LT11721bamboozled I see? In NC?? 24 mph in reverse 60 feet…woman scorned.
@@PEBBLEZ21she may have done that but she didn't hit JO with her car. The lack of injuries of a car vs pedestrian proves that.
@@LT11721 And a fractured skull… I’ve always wondered if they dropped him on his head when they were dragging him out the back door of the basement and leaving John in the snow. At least the expert said, he would’ve been unconscious after the blow to his head. How CRUEL!! What a crime! Poor John & family, poor Karen. WTH are any of them going to get by putting her through these miserable trials for years!!?
How could even 1 person think she is guilty? This case is the clearest case of corruption I've ever seen. Everyone involved in this persecution needs to be investigated for corruption. Beginning with trooper Proctor.
I get how someone could consider she's guilty but if you follow the instructions jurors are given properly, it's impossible. Beyond a reasonable doubt means an average reasonable person. I feel the guilt verdict jurors are not being reasonable
Do you think there was a plant? With all of the deceit and terrible detective work, you can never find her guilty in my eyes ever
I think the CW stating they are bringing this is standard but I don't see it going forward. Their case was a total disaster and the results are likely to be the same.
CW witnesses won’t be able to keep their stories straight.
No way anyone with a PhD or MD degrees are willing to testify for CW with their theory of how KR killed JO. They’ve worked too hard and long to then have their reputation and credibility go in flames.
AND Proctor has been let go (or transfered) from Norfolk county state troopers. Not sure all the details but heard that last night.
Mistrial...because she's NOT Guilty! Karen Reed did not kill her boyfriend. I hope there is a current investigation into the lying cops, who should be charged 4 lying under oath, as well as murder!!!!!!!
Proctor has been transferred out of the department. Likely his union saved him from being fired. A Internal Investigation hasn’t been completed yet and the Federal Investigation is ongoing.
They already did attack all their evidence…. All due respect to the “guilty” vote jurors, but I would LOVE to know what they heard that made them believe a guilty verdict was justified. Shocking and concerning to say the least.
This seems to be a running theme! I agree
Some of those that don't like the Karen Read smile. Bc who tend to think guilty have absolutely nothing to back it up. A bunch of parrots. That's all.
I just can’t image a guilty verdict. Did they not hear what I heard??
No need to retry. They will get same conclusions. Not enough evidence & most of it tampered with. imo
They need to get a change of venue but I will be surprised if they retry it the prosecution's case has been a shitshow. I mean proctor just blew the damn thing up I just don't understand how anybody could have came up with guilty I mean there has been how many people say that he wasn't hit by a car I want to know how many people were voting for guilty
Thank you , Peter. Let’s hope next trial is NG. 🙏
It won’t…
@@PEBBLEZ21Jen, you don’t know.
@@Candy-O1776I’m Donna.
@@Candy-O1776who’s Jen? Conspiracy much?
@@PEBBLEZ21the crazies use this it's getting pretty old but they are too dumb to know this.
Agree. The Aruba trip was soo irrelevant. It's like new flash. adult asks like a drunken 15 year old and makes his girlfriend make some pithy remarks so that is somehow evidence of homicide. not.. Lally called drunken person after drunken person and what did he prove? No one claimed they saw the incident.
Don’t forget KR wore her shoes inside the house = Admission of guilt 😂
Two important facts: The CW has to get 12 jurors to convict. Second, the CW said they INTEND to re-try. They did not say WILL.
Right no way they will!!
@@alyshaalberts5694 not now with Proctor removed from his position, they waited till the trial was over because it's too damaging.
The defense will be fully primed with more evidence. I don't see a re trial coming but I also don't put it passed the CW to try. No way are 12 going to agree on a conviction.
They can go in lying, like these jurors were. Great job vetting these doo's
BTW, Lally changed the story in closing and said the simple explanation is that KR's car hit JO on the shoulder. Except, the taillight would have been around his elbow, not shoulder.
They won’t find a jury of 12 people to find her guilty.
I hope she's found not guilty and I don't understand how she could be found guilty and I watched every bit of the trial..😮
Thank you Peter. And congrats on 400k+ subs 🎉🎉🎉
I love your confidence, Peter! I don’t like how fast the DA stated they’d retry this, but I’m glad you feel that the defense is right to feel they can win this. Thank you for your fantastic coverage! I’m sticking with you for any upcoming cases you’re covering….as long as you take it easy on your Dad and his audio issues 😅 He’s perfect, even when his audio isn’t.
It was a standard press release put out by the DA's office. Apparently, they start by putting that standard press release out after all mistrials. It will be interesting to see how that position evolves after reflection.
Thank you Peter for your expert and unbiased opinions! Congratulations on making 400,000 subscribers! 🎉🎉
Thankful for walking through all of this!!!
Unless theres some bombshell that shows Karen is guilty I also feel really bad for her cuz of how much these lawyers are probably costing, AND NOW SHE HAS TO DO IT ALL AGAIN!!! I hope she can sue the pants off that police department and get that momey back for the trial
I think that a 1 or 2 jurors subcombed to the pressure from the Police, family, and community to not render a not guilty verdict.
Or 2 were just terrified of the mob outside..... I don't think that necessarily. But I think it's possible.
@@LazySusan.Theres no mob it's Karen supporters
The HUGE problems for the CW are Trooper Paul, Higgins and Proctor.
What a MASSHOLE verdict!
Great comment!
SARAH BOONE has written another letter. HOWEVER it is a letter from when she found out Cashman filed to withdraw. It's dated 6/25. In this letter she THINKS she's getting another attorney! Delusional. I love that for whatever reason, Wootten isn't the judge anymore. Kraynick is taking care of business. Oh and she also thanks Kraynick in advance for listening to her etc. She didn't know yet that Cashman's withdrawal was granted AND that she is now representing herself. But i just wanted to let you know of another letter.
Instead of harassing an innocent, start prosecuting the guilty party. Seems the guilty party is being let off.
Juries are instructed to err on the side of caution, so that if there is any doubt about guilt, they should acquit, rather than risk convicting an innocent person. The principal is "It's better to let 10 guilty people go free than to wrongly convict one innocent person." How can anyone possibly find her guilty?
Paul needs an immediate restraining order if he said what they're saying he said ‼️ This guy is either extremely ignorant or agreeing with the Albert's because they have something on him 🤔
What did he supposedly say? I saw he said something on his way out, but I couldn't read his lips.
@@Retried77 I forgot exact words but I took it as a fearful threat. You'll see it I'm sure 👍
@@Retried77 Iam not done with you yet
(He said something along those lines)
He’s not a nice person. Ironically, he was drunk driving at 24 mph and then hit an old man, caused him paralyzed from the waist down. He also took the trust fund that KR has set up for his niece and nephew but used the fund toward renovating his house. Isn’t he such a lovely, thoughtful uncle? 🤔
@@rubiirae he's definitely a dirt bag
OMG BREAKING NEWS! proctor has been relieved of his duties and investigation into the serious misconduct he's caused in this case.
Thank you for all you do ❤
Just my option here. I believe some of the issue as to why they may not have come to a Verdict..was do to the Jury Instruction, they were Not as clear to me as the judge thought they where....I would have has a lot of questions( sent back out to the judge ) and talked ALOt with My fellow jurors about it. Even after tbe added Instruction from the judge. Just 1 opinion here.
It's a great opinion! 🤝🏻
It's unbelievable that experts were on the stand stating he was NOT hit by a car or would have far more injuries and experts who stated it WAS a dog attack and Karen was home at 12:36am! I guess the jurors were sleeping. I wonder if they tell their doctor's they are liars🤣Its a sad shame this is what our justice system has come to.
Wow…. So much time and effort put into this…
Peter, Thank you for your analysis and comments on this case. Congratulations on 400K 🎉🎉🎉!
Great coverage of this rather odd yet interesting trial, Peter👏
a) Odd, bcuz it should of never got to this point.. 🧐imo.
b) Interesting bcuz after 67 witnesses over 9wks, the prosecutor didn’t come close to proving “his case theory”. If anything, he proved KR did not hit OJOK w/her big, new SUV (bigger size to give the kids more room vs OJOK’s much smaller SUV)
-there was another SUV in front of 34 Fairview, a Ford Edge.. similar to the Albert’s Ford Edges, as Brian Sr & Colin each drove one.
*Biggest Shocker!?!
c) a Mass State ME ruled the manner of death: Undetermined!!
So we have no homocide, yet a woman is charged w/murder to manslaughter & drunk driving.
*ONLY IN AMERICA🧨🇺🇸🎆
lead investigator was just relieved of his position because of his handling of this investigation, how do you retry with that?
The CW did prove for example:
1. Indisputable independant scientific evidence as to data (not challenged by the defense team):
(a). At 12:25 am - JO’s GPS phone data shows him stopping at the edge of the Alberts property (doesn’t show any further movement from this point onwards and he does not go into the Alberts home).
* JO’s niece testified that KR told her she and JO had been arguing - this would explain the 6 minutes from KR pulling up (above) to her reversing and hitting JO (below).
(b). At 12:31 am - KR’s (Lexus/Toyota) SUV data shows she slams it in to reverse going back 62 feet at approx 25 mph, and also being a classic signature of a pedestrian strike/accident of some sort. Further registered was a slight turn of the steering wheel from left to right (JO would’ve been on the rear right side of the SUV having got out of the vehicle to walk towards the Alberts drive way to go to the front/side door).
(c). At 12:32 am - JO’s health app phone data shows JO stops moving for the last time and in the exact location where he was found, also lining up with his GPS phone data. JO could not, and did not, go into the Alberts house.
2. Indisputable CCTV footage (not challenged by the defense team):
(a). At 4:18 pm KR’s SUV left her parents house, at 5:31 pm it arrived outside the Sally Port, at 5:36 pm it was driven in to the SP and at 5:38 pm the door closes with Michael Proctor inside.
(b). At 5:40 pm, MP is seen still inside the SP with another 4/5 LE officers present.
3. At 5:41 pm, the SERT team begin searching Fairview Road in 3 feet deep of snow finding pieces of the taillight (and other things) in different places.
4. There was no time and opportunity for MP to break the taillight at the SP, take the pieces to Fairview Road and then plant them in different places and 3 feet deep in the snow. Not to say without a trace of him having done so, nor being seen by numerous people.
5. After KR left JO, she called him leaving vile and hate language voicemails about him and the kids: “John I f***ing hate you”, “John I’m here with your f***ing kids”, “You are a f***ing pervert”, “I’m with your f***ing niece and nephew”, “You’re a f***ing loser” and “F**** yourself”.
6. Also via voicemail (shortly after getting to his house) she also asked him where he was and said that “nobody” knows where he is. Yet she had allegedly just dropped him off and nothing had allegedly happened. And who are the “nobodies” she refers to when she hadn’t even called anyone at that point and why would they be concerned where JO is.
7. KR told Kerry Roberts that JO was dead before she had even left JO’s house and he was found.
8. KR said, “I hit him” (3 times) at the time JO was found.
9. The above is also verified/supported by:
(a). What was put to the court during KR’s bail hearing accepting she said she hit him (3 times), it was a Motor Vehicle Accident and KR was of no criminal intent (and other things) - Stoughton District Court on 2 February 2022 (with Yannetti attorney).
(b). Her dad (via an interview) saying KR told him at the time:
(i). “Dad I think I struck something”.
(ii). “I remember backing up and hitting something” (obviously not JO’s vehicle as she wouldn’t have used the word “something”).
(c). KR said (via an interview): “What I thought could have happened was that did I incapacitate him unwittingly, somehow, and then in his drunkenness, he passed out”.
GO DEFENSE!
Let’s Goooooo!! Live stream about today’s motion PLEASE!!! Corruption, corruption and even MORE corruption!! How do I live in this state?!?
Please bring Troopah Paul back. He was comedy gold. “It just did “. Never gets old.
Just.......how
Why did I just watch this 15 times 😅 LYK law school 101 thx so much for your insight!
Thank you really have enjoyed your lives. I had reasonable doubt that's for sure.
I’m proud of the jury. Both sides stood their grounds and took their oath seriously.
I think it’s possible there was only 1 juror that wanted guilty, but the person writing the note wanted to keep it vague. They said “some of us” which could mean 1 or more.
I feel it was the person writing the note lol
the letter said due to "deeply held personal values etc." juries are supposed to follow the principal of law and the instructions given to them no their own, this is why Jury needs to be a job
Thank you for the update!
I’d like to see the CW use KR’s interview and her DUI google search as evidence
Your analysis is always spot on
I have a question. Pretrial, the defense attorneys attempted various things to get the case dismissed for the exact same things we watched during trial.
The judge limited a lot. If I recall right, the procedures or part of the shoddy investigation so the defense had to introduce it in a less straight forward way and let jurors conclude from it.
All evidence/discovery is supposed to be shared pre trial so no surprises.
I keep hearing attorneys say, “Now that the defense has…”
My question is, how does having it now change anything for them knowing the judge limits or doesn’t allow it because she didn’t prior to this trial?
Ehh they just worded it like that so it sounded good 😂 we all know there was probably 1 hold out not several lmao
Wow Paul
Okeefe in court :/ and I just read he had a dui incident hurt someone and Karen bailed him out ?? Omg
Money for this as a resident of Massachusetts is infuriating.
Wow! Multiple on both sides!?
Trooper Proctor was fired today. I wonder how that's going to impact the next trial. The lead investigator gets fired right after the mistrial. Wow.
In any other venue the case would have been decided very quickly and Ms.Read would have been found not guilty as well as leading to charges against many of the Prosecutors witnesses.
The FBI needs to release their findings and investigate further if necessary.
Grats on 400k!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Oh, boy. The bravado that they ‘will’ try the case again. Well, one officer has been moved and the FBI is investigating. Good luck in that re-trial!
I wonder how long her lawyers would stick around if she couldn't pay them???😂😂😂😂😂
What’s so funny?? KR is receiving donations from the “Free Karen Read” truth tellers. I think it’s a worthy cause to fight corruption don’t you?
So bold of them. The Defense failed too. 😂
How in the world can JO’keefe’s family swallow up the lies, the butt dials, no evidence of him being hit by car…yet there they sit with the Alberts and McCabe’s blaming Karen, without any real evidence, just bad vibes?!? I mean that’s what I got from John’s brother Pauls interview 🙄🤪😬🤦🏻♀️
I just got a notification from TH-cam and when I went to click on it, it came back saying it was private?? What’s up with that?? It was about the truth about the what really happened??
I wanna know what John’s brother said to Karen on his way out ! She didn’t look happy after 😂
And she’s down bad for celebrating like that in front the family! I’m going to write a letter to Commonwealth and give them a couple tips that’ll help them prove that she hit him . Although I don’t think she did it on purpose
Proctor has been relieved of his duties after the mistrial!
I want to know why are all the cops drinking and driving. Everyone should be charged with something in this case. Even the ones that were passengers in the vehicle’s all we’re drinking. This is mind boggling. And to the jury that thought guilty, why so much reasonable doubt. And I do feel so bad for john’s family. FBI should be investigating this matter period!
In my opinion, the jurors, who wanted a guilty vetdict were rather influenced by the fact that the defence made it a case against the local LE. Think about it, these jurors are local! And Alberts & Co.appearing for the closing arguments gave a sign to this jury.... it was so obvious to me. If this case is going to be retried, it should not be held in the same venue.
Limit evidence and change locale- get new judge. Insanity
Prosecution has the burden of proof .
They obviously didn't
Prove she did it .
There is so much reasonable doubt .
Why is this a hung jury ? And not an aquital ?
Has a poll of the jury been released? I felt like the verbiage of “some jurors” doesn’t indicate who voted G vs NG
Crazy
Defense will gain many new clients due to all the coverage, they will happily keep going. Also, with all the smiles at the end, I think they have some inside info that will be important moving forward.
They know time is on their side. Proctor relieved of his duties helps them. The federal investigation helps them. They have even more time to prime up which helps them. They bought Karen more time which helps them. They know all of the crappy evidence and testimony now which helps them. And they will find more. No 12 will ever convict on this. The CW shouldn't even bother to retry but they're clearly stubborn for even trying to begin with.
Proctor has been relieved of duty!!!!
I really think the comments about some of the jurors being uneducated, stupid, etc. are unfair. Juries are a sampling of people just like all of us, and also like us, they were very divided about this case. So, a mistrial, while unfortunate, is really not surprising. #freekarenread
The State is on the record now, re witness testimony & collected evidence. For them to change these facts to fit their advantage will likely result in another anti-police suspicion-filled mistrial. Also, another trial gives KR's defense team more time to come up with even more possibilities to present & investigate, re what happened that night. So, the State should seriously have a fresh perspective if they're going to continue with this. I do feel badly for the O'Keefe family though. They're caught in the middle. And I think they should steer clear of the Alberts & the McCabes in the meantime. Just in case they were involved. I think they were.
By multiple jurors I am betting that it could mean just the 1 who thought Karen guilty …. It’s all smoke and mirrors ! One can only hope that the juror after reading all the furore surrounding this case feels SHAME ! The lack of believable evidence and the fact that the justice department/FBI are investigating the investigators in this case is very telling !
I have no skin in the game and watched the entire trial and there is profound reasonable doubt !
The judge charges were complicated, it implied an accident, meant guilty, it was based on reasonable doubt on defence.
Hmmm anyone wonder why Brian Albert showed up the last two days of trial? Those folks have to live in that town with him and the other police officers. Just saying
I thought that the vote would be 50/50, 60/40 or around 70/30 - too many to get a unanimous verdict.
Very surprised that they voiced so quickly that they were going to retry
I wonder if it really was multiple votes both ways or if they graciously worded it that way so the focus wouldn't be on one juror. I'm curious.
The defence failed they thought they had it in the 🎒 bag