Chronic Pain: A New Perspective | Georgie Oldfield | TEDxUniversityofManchester
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ส.ค. 2019
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In this talk, Physiotherapist Georgie Oldfield MCSP explains, using personal experiences as well as observations of her patients why, the more experience she gained from treating chronic pain, the more baffled she became. Using findings from a growing evidence base Georgie demonstrates how she was able to gain clarity and why it is often possible to improve the chance of actual recovery from chronic pain, rather than just having to ‘manage’ the pain.
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Georgie Oldfield MCSP is a leading physiotherapist and the UK Specialist in a pioneering approach to chronic pain recovery, publishing her book, ‘Chronic Pain: your key to recovery’ in 2014. Georgie is a clinician and through her company, SIRPA, she developed the first training programme in her field, enabling health professionals worldwide learn how to integrate this approach and the concept on which it is based within their own work. Georgie is passionate about raising awareness of this concept and approach and to date has organised and hosted the first two conferences in this field outside the United States, both of which were held at the Royal Society of Medicine in London. She has also appeared on Sky TV and ITV’s ‘Tonight’ programme about back pain. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
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This is a worrying and dangerous trend in pain management,,,,, I’ve personally had a dreadful experience with medical professionals missing multiple diagnoses including ::scleroderma,herniated disc, snapped hand tendon ,ear infection Medication reaction and more,all of the above was met with the offer of an unwanted cognitive behaviour therapy and the offer of anti depressants ..is a major concern for my future care living with a chronic illness,,,
Agree, there is a place for CBT but not as a first line treatment. Many people are being denied meds to function and it’s causing a great deal of suffering. It needs to be offered along side other treatments. Having severe nerve pain at different stages in my life CBT did deadly squat.
if you listened carefully, she did say - along the lines of "Once a diagnosis rules out physical injury or disease" & discussed the difference between the healing of broken bones & that of chronic pain which is unrelated to physical issues
Eye opening presentation. I’ve had chronic pain for many years.
Initially it was obviously physical. But recently it has been demonstrated
to me that emotional pain and conflict will exacerbate that pain 10 fold.
It is true. I believe it and will work to cover that area to help with the
alleviation of some of this pain. 🙏🏼
Excellent! So true! So many doctors don't understand the challenges of chronic pain sufferers.
Good to hear a U.K. voice supporting this method of dealing with chronic conditions.
this talk, I believe, actually did a disservice to those who are being undertreated, not believed, and suffering with long-term debilitating chronic pain for a myriad of different reasons.
I'm not saying the science is not real ... I'm just saying that your experience, or the experience of others ... And this talk only gave Credence to those ... who have never experienced very real and severe chronic pain ... To assume, accuse, or judge those of us who live like this as it's something that is ALL IN OUR HEADS ... THE UNDER TREATMENT TO CHRONIC PAIN RAMPAT AND DESTROYING LIVES AND FAMILIES ...
Though I believe well-intentioned, I also believe that this talk, without a substantial disclaimer, will do more harm than good to the actual patience of chronic illness
Totally agree. I don't think any of it has to do with previous trauma. People don't realize that if you have previous trauma, it goes in your record and will be used against you when it comes to prescribing pain meds. That's all wrong.
I've had a nonstop headache from whiplash on Oct. 1, 1995...and then 2 following injuries. Now, due to bad side effects from a forced jab to keep my job on Sept. 21, 2021, along with other awful symptoms...my headache is life destroyingly worse. I've been to 110+ MDs, healers, chiros, acupuncturists, etc. and no one has ever been able to help me or figure out exactly what's causing the headache. I have been killed by my neck in numerous past lives, which doesn't help matters any. But, I'm doing the TMS program right now to see if there is a chance I'm holding past traumas in my neck and head (and other areas). Now I have back pain too.
@@joelruiz730 The same. Nonstop headache. My 27th anniversary will be Oct. 1st.
Thank you, Georgie, for a brilliant talk - you covered an enormous subject with passion and personal connection, really helping us see that pain may not mean what we think and that there are in fact strategies we can learn to help us recover from persisting pain.
Important subject and very well presented. Thank you for the elaborate and clear presentation, and for making the knowledge more accecible to pain sufferers.
and NO relief !
This was an incredible speech. Very well presented. I have had chronic back pain for about 3 years. And according to many different doctors, "I'm healthy." Emotions can get stuck in the body and foster pain. Things can be repressed, and we do not know what the cause of the pain truly is. This is what I am stuck in. 24/7/365. These comments make me feel better knowing I am not so alone with my struggle. Thank you for this beautiful explanation.
agreed entirely - mine is back pain & joint pain - it shows up very well on MRI, PET scans, X-rays - its Real pain - being treated with morphine & gabapentin etc - YET - sometimes a phone call or a visit or a TV programme can make the pain disappear - better than any meds - so I have to ask myself that, while it is in part "real" - a large portion is because I am fixated on it all the time - presently coming off the morphine BTW because it barely helps
I'm having ear pain from the constant feedback that plagues this presentation. Kudos for you for sticking with it through that distraction.
So fantastic to have someone in the UK so in tune with dr Sarno and tms (tension myositis syndrome)! It’s saved so many people from a life of suffering.
Clear and well researched explanation of how the body can create chronic pain via learned nerve pathways in the brain and nervous system in response to a perception of danger which can be emotional or physical. I used to get back pain on my way home from holidays and always blamed the aircraft seats despite the fact that i never got any symptoms on the way out just on the way back, as i returned to my stressful life. Once I learnt about Georgie Oldfield and Dr Sarno and started to respond to stress in my life by setting clear boundaries, noticing how i felt and responding appropriately as opposed to just "going with the flow" or " not making a fuss" then my backpain gradually reduced. Read Georgie's book if you want to know more about how you can take responsibility for resolving your chronic pain.
Please search for the American TV show 20/20, John Stossel, Dr. Sarno & back pain. It is excellent!👏🏻👍🤩
The last two holidays I have been on have been spoilt by back, neck and hip pain
I’ve managed fine my whole life until the last two holidays… I never want to go on a plane again..
Im struggling to believe it’s because of my nervous system / brain
Must be nice.
Thank you Georgie. What a fantastic talk. I have been learning so much on this biopsychosocial approach recently and it is so powerful. Your explanation really captures it so well, you do amazing work.
This is such a great presentation! Thank you. I have learnt a lot, it is most inspiring for everyone to understand the complex relationship between our body and brain.
Thank you Georgie :)
Would love to listen to more of this!
Emmanuel
Sounds good but what about world's worst pain trigeminal neuralgia where one can not talk, laugh, eat , can you explain how can we train brain to ignore this bloody pain
To be honest many will say this but very disconnected from real actual struggles people in chronic pain have
Thank you for this Georgie, This work has been a real eye opener for me and has helped me to help my patients within my NHS GP practice
If we could find those willing to try to get over the emotion induced pain, those who have success could benefit those willing to try different things that have been shown to work.
I need help please my mum has been in pain for 20 years
I’m struggling to convince myself that my chronic pain is from the brain / nervous system
Or my brain is doing a good job of convincing me it’s not..
Most of my pain is from an injury that then lingers for years
Injuries heal quite quickly. The pain is from perceived danger of the injury.
Yeah brother to be honest a bit of this is hogwash.
I have to agree...not all injuries "heal". Ruptured, non existent discs in the spine do not magically regenerate, and only so many knee reconstructions are possible before the entire leg will need amputation. I honestly think this needs to be a little better mitigated on a case by case basis.
It has its place but it should never replace meds or rehabilitation. The problem is docs using this method as a first line treatment or removing meds and replacing with CBT it’s cruel and causes unnecessary suffering.
Ever since finding Dr Sarno’s book I am opened up to this world and find more and more people trying to spread the word. Doubters are just resisting truth and are not ready to face their emotions.
And what about those of us doing it all, confronting the emotions as best as possible, treating the pain whilst avoiding meds and listening to the body - yet pain persists??
Are we just faking it??
@@Centaurgrrl If you were replying to my comment, the "doubters" i was referring to are those that still reject that pain could be coming from an emotional source. Since writing that comment 2 years ago, I have also learned that pain can also become a habit. After exploring your emotions it could just be that your pain is now a learned response. This is more the Alan Gordon approach. My pain persisted even after finding Dr Sarno for a few years. Wanting it to go away desperately is also a fear response that holds on to pain. Once I learned all these concepts, I could let go.
From a veteran's perspective, we basically have lived with pain already for years. When it finally gets to much and you decide to do something about it, it likely is a very well worn neural connection. Multiply that with a highly activated CNS which is in constant fight/flight or freeze due to the environment we have lived in - unwinding all of this is quite the battle.
I imagine those who continue living in a stressful environment would most certainly struggle to re-wire their thought process.
Compassion is everything. Fully overcoming pain may become mission impossible for some. Doubt and resistance become evidence of a highly stressful reality they may not be able to escape.
agreed entirely - mine is back pain & joint pain - it shows up very well on MRI, PET scans, X-rays - its Real pain - being treated with morphine & gabapentin etc - YET - sometimes a phone call or a visit or a TV programme can make the pain disappear - better than any meds - so I have to ask myself that, while it is in part "real" - a large portion is because I am fixated on it all the time - presently coming off the morphine BTW because it barely helps
Thank you so much for this talk. I love it!
I loved this. But with triggers and ringing in Mic I had to stop. My tinnitus was ringing badly.
Drove me nuts too and I thankfully don’t have tinnitus. Great subject, too bad they didn’t correct this before she spoke.
Brilliant talk I know how hard that was being a sufferer. You are a inspiration. I will try mindfulness thank you x
i ENJOY YOUR OPEN MINDNESS
A very clear explanation about why sometimes we experience pain that is no longer needed. I like you didn't say "thank you" at the end.
Thanks for sharing 🌱🌿🍀🍀🍀🍀🎍🎍
I have neck and upper back pain and tendinitis but everyday I do two hours of yoga and spine stretch but each I go back to almost zero my back feel stiff,....and I cramps when talking to others and has some social phobia...
I feel chronic pain wasn't taken seriously. Too much empathise on emotion and stress causing chronic pain when that is not always the case. We already have enough problems with stigma in the majority of the medical and health professionals.
The funny part about these sports people that don't feel this pain - how much are they operating on adrenaline and cortisol? Once the "performance threat/stress" is removed and they are allowed to "let down" these chemicals, do they experience pain then?
I believe there is more than meets the eye here. I have carried pain for many many years, had it minimised by the medical system - only to find upon closer examination my pain matched with actual damage. Her POV is interesting, however, I'm not entirely convinced it is a thoroughly proven theory.
Beautiful talk , rings so true 🎉❤
No hay ningún vídeo de esta dra en español o subtitulado ?
We have been waiting for this to be translated into other languages. My apology that it is not available yet
Puedes elegir la opcion de auto-traducir. Es mas o menos lo mismo :)
@@montvydasklumbys7584 no encuentro esa opción
Pain is an indicator of something going on in the body. Remove the pain, you may just remove your bodys way of communicating with you.
air makes me feel like all pain, depression and disabilities are asleep
Cognitive behaviour therapy can be helpful in the management of pain BUT if one is suffering chronic pain particularly when the injury first occurred pain management via meds and rehabilitation is essential. I have big issue with the trend that it’s all in the head and cognitive behavioural therapy is the first line of treatment. Its causing people to suicide and it’s appalling. If someone is in chronic pain this as a first line approach DOES NOT work. Telling yourself it’s ok and your safe when you have excruciating pain, can’t stand and can’t function is a slap in the face and leaves patients highly distraught. I know l experienced it as have many others. There is a place for it but too many doctors are denying pain relief to people leaving them to cruelly suffer.
Very good talk. Check out Joe Dispenza for how to clear the pain.
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Read “unlearn your pain” by Dr Howard Schubiner
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Listening to this for a second time now. After 20 years of being a chronic pain ... I called BS
As an intelligent woman ... A one-time athlete, who believed that mind over matter and hard work and taking care of your body could overcome anything ... Has done her research, has implemented neuropsychology in addition to Western and Eastern medicines and treatments ...
So disappointed that this attitude regarding long-term severe chronic pain still exists in the scientific world. It's a cop-out and a way of saying, I'm just not smart enough to figure it out ... Shame on you all
Where I agree that some of the things the speaker touched on is based in reality ... The points she is making is the exception and not the rule. How embarrassed I am for you Ms speaker ...
Agreed. I am ex military and pushed my body through pain most of my career til it broke. I have reduced stress, addressed emotions, treat my pain with sauna's, massage physio and osteo. Damage has been found only because I identified chronic pain.
I opt to feel my pain so as to release it as best I can - coming up to 2 years post discharge and I still experience chronic pain - which leads to utter exhaustion when I push my body too much. I do not agree with her hypothesis at all. Shaming individuals about their pain surely isn't the solution.
You can call it bs all you like, it saved my life. I went from being bed bound, unable to walk or stand for any length of time to running miles in a matter of a couple of months.
@@caract960 ... I guess we all make comments based on our personal experiences ... But the bottom line.
I can't tell you how it warmed my heart to hear that this helped you. Pain and spinal cord injuries are horrible and whatever it took to get you to where you are, with a better quality of life, I truly could not be happier for you and am truly grateful that this information was available to you and useful in whatever way and however it came to improve your quality of life. I say that with most sincerity. Thank you for putting a smile on my face. I do not need people to agree with me- but it really is beautiful to hear about your success-no matter how you got there - props to you for sure - be well always-Nikki
Typical quack talk- someone has to advocate for her overpaid job position!
Yes. BS? These people barley afflicted think they know what 24/7 chronic pain real is.
Ignore the question mark
Part total BS.
May I respectfully ask what part of the talk was BS?
What’s BS about it Susan?
Agreed total hogwash