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India was ahead of China in 1980. China was full blown Marxist while India had a closed market economy. China completely adopted the free market while India persisted with protectionism. India needs to learn from China's experience with capitalism if it wants to compete with China.
Since the 1950s the USA was trying to get India to become the manufacturing hub of the world. India as stupid as usual rejected this and thought they were more smart then the Americans and could go it alone.
Or, the old self-defeating restrictive trade and economic policy, now in the guise of "Atmanirvar" economy, is continuing but for a short pause in between!
@@farhadfaisal9410 You are confusing Aaatmanirbhar with "Closed" economy. Self-reliance can lead to surplus and surplus can lead to exports. Exports and consumption boost the GDP. It is our politics that have made Self-reliance = NO COMPETITION. This is the old Congress mentality. Congress is the Kingpin of bad policies and BJP is only pleased to carry them forward and not reverse.
Well India isn't equal to China. Look at the economics. While we should be developing, our politicians are busy with dividing people on religion and bringing back protectionism.
Our average IQ is 79 in China around 110. I think we always will be behind China for next millenum. Today world is based on technology, even more so in the future.
@@nycbk9043 If that is so, then why are Indian Americans in the top positions in most of top careers and earn the most ans not the Chinese Americans? Accent problem you think, no it is not that too.
@@MostWantedTH-camr Average means if you take 10.000 people how many will be dumb and how many will be smart. We have a lot of dumb people walking around, this you would know if you lived here in India. Of course out of total population of +1 billion, some people will be very smart, in our case the smartest people go to USA as speak English and they go live abroad with good living of standard (good for them!), in China most of them stay in house to help their country and to boost their own technology and development.
I find it heartening, after reading the comments: that the cooler heads outnumbered the hotheads. There is hope that reason and rationality will prevail. Here a few points that I hope will prove our discussion. 1. Why is India wasting its resources over the Tiber issue? Won't those resources be better employed on building its own economy and infrastructure? 2. Territorial claims. India has had no historical influence nor political relationship with Tibet. Neither does it have a strategic need to use Tibet as a strategic buffer for its borders. The Himalayas already serve that purpose. So why fight over a few pieces of rock and desert? 3. OTOH China has deep historical connection with Tibet, because it was part of the Silk Route going back all the way to the Han dynasty which was about 300 BC. India has no such influence. Throughout history Tibet was never really a 'State' in the conventional sense, but a bunch of kingdoms united by a common religion and a spiritual leader. 4. Tibet is is strategically very very important to China: - It provides a direct land route for invading armies. - it is the source of water for five great rivers, that probably sustained more than a third of humanity. Two of these rivers are vital for China's survival. 5. Both China and India were superpowers in the ancient world. Then they were humiliated, raped and pillage by the Western colonialist. Now that they are on the rise again: it makes sense for both of them to work together and pursue mutual progress, and also influence and bring progress to the rest of the world. ? It is totally irrational for India to salt with its previous oppressors, against a very advantageous potential ally! Is it because of its own insecurity, or has it fallen prey to Weston 'divide and conquer' ideas. 6. Culturally, China acknowledges it's historical and cultural links with India. The story "The Journey to the West", lives on in common literature. So too the fact that it was an Indian monk Bodhidharma that brought Buddhism to China. Every Chinese kid knows these facts. This could be a thread that would you like to do countries. Think of the economic benefits, of Chinese tourists making pilgrimages to the Buddhist sites in India, instead of going to Paris!
Very interesting and practical comments. India not only needs to work with China but also other Asian countries like Indonesia , Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam etc and Afghanistan and Iran. This will create a more balanced world. If mankind is to progress , the only way it can be done is through peace and stability. Peace and stability can only come about in an equal world. No big brother/ sister bullying the smaller brother or sister. Indian need to unite properly and respect one another once and for all.
if it is so then why your government tore many previous agreements. why your government doesn't talk like you are doing here on youtube? you are advising us to accept your superiority and do what you want us to do against western powers. how it is different from USA that wants us to do the same against you (China)? What's the guarantee that 1962 won't happen again? we have to keep backup options ready for that. if you want respect you must show it first. ask your government to talk to our government (Indian) same way as you are projecting here. do you think that can ever happen? diplomacy and urge of power don't give much weightage to cultural and historical facts. China is not any different than western nations. what is china doing in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Bangladesh against India? Is that not divide and conquer ideas? you think Indians are stupid that we can't understand China, Russia, USA, and UK. projecting yourself like a holy monk lol. China is no saint. India must counter it to protect its interests. it was India who allowed China to become one of the permanent UNSC members because of the cultural and historical links that you talked about. and in return, you gave us 1962.
@Fantastic Tea hm okay it wasn't my main point it was the last point. my main point was that China can't be trusted. in 1950s India's perception was that Chin is a Buddhist country so it is not a threat to India. we didn't take any measures to counter china at that time. it was a total mistake as it was evident in 1962. but since then we have improved ourselves. China can't bully us anymore as one can see in Ladakh. the day china becomes as powerful as USA they will attack India. we must prepare for that. and if you have good relation with someone doesn't mean you can grab their land. what gave china rights to occupy Tibet? just because they had good relations with Tibet for thousands of years so they can now occupy their land and force Chinese culture on them?
@Fantastic Tea i know. Indian government also recognizes Taiwan as part of China but is it?? is Taiwan part of china??? who told you that 80% of Kashmiri wants to join Pakistan??? being Muslim means they want to join Pakistan? lol
@Fantastic Tea haha exactly. don't try any misadventure against India. we also know how to exploit your weakness (Tibet and Taiwan). just mind your business. is Tibetans want to be Chinese or Taiwanese??? lol you're not answering the question. asking questions in the answer is not an answer. dumb communists
For all those Indians who complain that China not treating India as equals, they should first ask themselves is there any major country from the QUAD and EU that treated India as equals.
India really needs to stop looking outwards for its mistakes. China is not the main problem for India, a rival and adversary yes, but the Himilayas maintains relations well.The first step for an entity to grow is to look within itself. India should try and become a grander India, not a second China
Sunny Mitra, it is true that every country has to find its own way. Becoming a superpower should not be the goal but establishing a righteous , cultured , equal and just society should be the goal.
@@shakuntalalivneh8742 Some say that is a far greater achievement than becoming a super power. Like the Nordic countries, they may not have a large influence on the world but their people are some of the happiest and wealthiest in the world
The Nordic countries are intelligent. At least many of them. They are small nations and know the meaning of balance. They don't have gross inequalities and they spend money on education, infrastructure, and culture generally and mind their own business. They do not interfere with other nations. They have peace and stability.
True that. I have noticed this hundreds of times and it makes me want to discontinue watching her videos regardless of how expertise persists in her show by the guests!
Excellent conversation. Ambassador Gokhale spoke like a true and very seasoned diplomat. Didn’t fall into the trap of answering any question, which he didn’t want to. Lots to learn from him just by watching this interview. Thank you.
This is indeed an interesting book, I never thought of it this way. Nehru was indeed incompetent.It's not that he was not smart. He just did not have the experience needed. If you know what Mao of China had to go through to win China for CCP, Nehru's experience was virtually nothing.
As a Chinese, I give my comments. 1.There is barely no connection between China and India in British-India era, cold war era, as well as today. Just imagine a stranger passed by when walking on a street, are you going to evaluate if you are equal to him or not?? No, NO AT ALL because no need to between two strangers. 2.Playing Tibet or Dalai Lama card is a new wishful thinking of India. Now Tibet has GDP per capita more than 3 times of India, let alone the slave master's refugees. China performs flexible negotiation without breaking our baseline. While India or Dalai Lama wants to break it. So, no need to negotiate at all. In addition, Dalai Lama has been 86 years old, after he passes away, China will not accept his refugees. and there may be a new one certificated by China central gov. 3.Since 1980s, China never has military cost/GDP more than 2%, while never below 2% of India. It is a big burden for developing economy. Keeping the border tension on is a good news for China, as well as Indian army, because India would never use military budget to boost economy. 4.At the early stage of 1950s, China stress the position of India not only because of diplomacy policy, but also for India's economy which is better than China. But after China complete the first 5 year plan and many industry index surpass India, China realize that India gov or Nehru can do almost nothing but simply keep what inherited from British-India. From that time on, it is clearly that China will first surpass India first and gap on and on inevitably. So, it is since later 1950s to depict the trend between China and India today, rather than 1980s by many Indian experts. Finally, China would not build a global coalition to against India because there is no need to fight against a stranger at all.
The loss of Gilgit Baltistan was the most important. Had that region been in Indian administration then CPEC wouldn't have materialised. Also India would have direct access to Afghanistan and thence to central Asia.
@@rarediamond6868 we are not butchers of untrained peasants, we don’t mind gathering all the leftists and the army of TMC killing forces, and sending them to the Tibetan borders and ladakh!.
Elephant keeps complaining that the Dragon didn't treat the Elephant as equal. The Elephant will be treated as equal by the Dragon if it stays independent, instead, it joined the Quad to follows the coattail of the Eagle, lowering its own position below the Eagle and the Dragon.
China never compared itself with India. Never in any way, shape or form. there really wasn't/isn't much dealing between India and China because mother nature provides a natural barrier between the two countries. China wanted to catch up to Japan in the early years, and then the US.
China can think what it wants nothing worrisome. Some Indians can't even think India is better than China. How can u live without basic freedoms ? That's China.
When world-class diplomats are busy improving trade relations with other countries, including China, to buy all the geopolitical leverage points, India focuses on the border issues and political quarrels with China as the central issue. There will be no war between two nuclear states because there is no winner, only loser and loser in a nuclear war. Our diplomats should know that geopolitics is the superstructure of economics. Therefore, if we don't grow our economy, build our domestic market, train our laborers well to attract foreign investments, we don't have any geopolitical leverage against China, especially given the sheer size of China's comprehensive national power, which is seven times compared to India. Hence, we should freeze all the issues against China for now and focus on growing our economy rapidly. China-US rivalry presents us the best moment for India to play an independent actor where both US and China are ready to offer us a better deal if we show diplomatic cunningness.
I think India's major loss after independence was loosing Sardar patel as soon as we get independence. If he would have lived for further 5-10 yrs I think 370 wouldn't have been implemented fully.
Vinamara Singhal, the whole of India was uneducated ( bar a few people) . It is the legacy that the British left us. Our biggest tragedy is that for a thousand or more years , we have been a fragmented nation , only coming together now and then. On top of that , we learnt the trick of divide and rule from the British , do we have spent so much time quarreling over language, ethnicity, race, religion , caste and so on. We think in terms of hierarchies which has no place in the modern world. And today we are worse than ever because even our present govt. works in terms of dividing people. The Chinese are pragmatic and know how to unite. A lesson they probably learnt from their own history. Whatever system you use ,( capitalist or socialist) you need to be realistic. First of all, you cannot have the huge gap between rich and poor that you have in India. You need to invest heavily in quality education. Every citizen has a right to quality education, food( good nutrition ) and a decent environment and if China can achieve this so can India but they need to massively change their thinking. If we are busy quarreling internally we don't have a hope in hell of progressing. Whenever we United as under the Mauryas ( King Ashoka etc. ) we progressed . There is no doubt about it.
And the west certainly doesn't look upon India as equal. They look down down on us as much as they did in colonial times. We should be independent and strong , not militarily but first of all morally and ethically .
India is not China's equal, China is honestly a superpower now with superior economical reforms and look at their currency Yuan lol, rupee kaha Yuan kaha , kaha ka comparison
@@chanalex8358 it is Chinese. In Cantonese, "it is Cher Tow Sart Yan". Ask any Hongkonger or anyone from Guangdong Province. There is a Putonghua version, too. I am a Chinese origin and watch Hongkong movies. I know. You don't know then, now you know
Mr. Gohlke you are still very very over cautious with the Tibetan issue, thats very harmful to India and not to us Tibetans. These are weak signs of the Indian leaders in the passed Galwan incidence last year.
Very interesting! The inability to grasp the seriousness of the overtly expressed Chinese claim on Tibet..to convey that effectively to the then Indian leadership, forget blocking it, is a continued Indian failing. Can't recall over 40 years of spectacular Chinese build-up, anyone who analyzed its implications and blew a compelling whistle to alert all Indians to the threat. Even today the leadership is lax in galvanizing and leading an all-of-India approach to meet the Chinese threat.
We must not forget the mischief the British were doing in Tibet. In fact the mischief they were doing all over that area, including Afghanistan which is bleeding even today. The West do not want to see Afghanistan progressing.
China’s view of its territory boundary date back centuries whereas India’s view date till post British colonised India. Inherited expanded territory would not legitimate India’s claim. India should learn history better rather than playing victim in this case.
China's view of territory using history is not right either. If it is right, then the territories should be returned to all the rightful owners. Example China should be returned to the KMT,who in turn should return China to the descendants of the Qing Dynasty. These process would then be repeated until the time when the first human appeared in China.
@@rbc812 The modern reference of countries' territories will be based on United Nations after WWII. The Republic of China (ROC) inherited its territory from the Qing Dynasty, likewise, the People's Republic of China (PRC) inherited its territory from ROC. The United Nations recognized China (with Tibet included) as under ROC from 1945 to 1971 and officially changed the recognition to PRC in 1971. India claimed was based on the treaty between the British and Tibet's local government, and according to United Nations record, Tibet is part of China, period.
@@rbc812 Because I am not naive, based on the time Bible and Quran were written, this world is deemed to be flat and not a globe that we knew since the 15th century.
@@rbc812 That is how the 193 countries in this world were recognized by the United Nations. Want to change that, going back to United Nations for arbitration.
Mr. Vijay Keshav Gokhale IFS - India's former Foreign Secretary( My Class Mate in St. Stephen's College , Delhi )I and Vijay joined together in 1975 in the same course.
@@shankarcg786 Sir--- Vijay has done us all very proud. Another from that class to join IFS was Yashovardhan Sinha. Yash is son of Lt. Gen SK Sinha , also Ambassador of India to Nepal . Satish Mathur IPS from this batch and course became DGP Maharashtra and Alok Verma Director CBI , Vipul Vijoy DGP Gujarat , Pramod Mody IRS - Chairman CBDT , among many others from this class / course --- Regards
@@akaj188 thanks for sharing your thoughts though I have personally never met Mr Vijay Gokhale, I always had this gut feel by watching him in TV 📺as an Indian diplomat that he is humble, soft spoken person with high level of intellect and grasping power to understand international issues and has impeccable integrity towards the nation whilst performing his job for the country especially on China related matters. I specifically watched this interview only for him, where I saw he was using words very carefully in a measured manner though he has retired from his job as a diplomat.🙏
@@akaj188 please don't call me "sir" in fact i have to call you big "SIR" because I was just born in 1974 and I must tell that St Stephen College is one of the finest institutions in our country which has produced the men of excellence like you, Mr Vijay Gokhale and many such luminaries, I was surprised that it even teaches sanskrit when I was planning to learn samskritam few months back. Thanks once again 🕉🙏
Kudos to the guest and the content. Special mention to Jothi for hosting like a pro. I had previously pointed out of her interjecting the guest at the wrong time. Thank you for the “course correction” ✌️
i did notice that in this interview too... probably cause the guest did not say much that would seem like suppirting the current Indian govt. she seriously gets irritated the moment any guest actually says anything that even remotely says 'Modi/BJP did well'
Please china beyond to the next level in future, India still developing very slowly 😂🤣😂. India loves to compare Pakistan, but China is growing fast in economy and technology becoming a super power Asian country. So India shut up support made in China products.
@@eshwarashawn4493 it’s always good to aspire to achieve higher. China has indeed done great in building domestic businesses and infrastructure, India has to catch up.
The only way India can stand up to China is by at least becoming 10 trillion dollars economy in next 15 years. No one can fight with a hungry stomachs. Now within our country, some states are doing very well. Whereas others are just using taxpayers money even after the 75 years. Time has come to reward the performers.
If China feels India is not its equal, how right they are. India is not 1/10 th the capability of China in anything. Visit China once and you’ll know in 3 days.
Thank you Print for a wonderful interview with Mr. Gokhale. Glad to see a bit of Francis Urquhart at the end ! I look forward to getting my copy soon. Godspeed to you Sir.
If I could go back in time , I would tell godse to delete nehru instead of Gandhi , we could've made ties with the Soviet cos netaji was building foreign ties and probably would become the first pm , jinnah even said he would not opt for partition if Netaji lead the country. Plus none of those sino wars cos close ties with communist USSR and China.
Deb Arya. Is this true? I haven't heard this ever. However, sadly Netaji sided with the Japanese who did not act morally during the World War. The Japanese, a nation I admire did not have the moral high ground in the way they conducted the war in S. E. Asia , though you can argue that by the end nobody was acting morally. What the Japanese did in Nanking was morally indefensible and what the Americans did to the Japanrse by dropping two vicious atom bombs on the Japanese was also morally indefensible.
@@Hahaha41241 And Vladimir is going to remain quite after china "destroy" him?. His country has the highest number of nuclear weapons on the planet. What do you think he will do with them?. China will be vaporized instantly!
@@neilmanx1001 Don't worry about Vlad and Xi, they are too dependent on each other. Their relationship is now very comprehensive. They are close neighbours, can defend each other on international stage, China can provide top AI for Russia, Russi provide top hard wear. Russia has natural resources in great quantity and quality for China. Russia is almost communist in someway too. What else, have you see them in a talk they seem really happy to talk with each other, they know together they are stronger. Don't dream about China and Russia against each other, it's too late for that. 👎🇺🇸
@@MostWantedTH-camr I wasn't talking about I was talking if the Indian strike, Russia and China friendship unbreakable right now. Lot of respect for Vladimir.
Better if the anchor had used “prime Minister” Nehru instead of Nehru. Great to see Mr Gokhale sticking with the PM Nehru. Just shows the respect for the position no matter the person
US does not think rest of the world power is equal to US so does China does not think India is equal to China and India is not thinking Nepal is equal to India since India’s independence. China is hurting Indian sentiments so does India is hurting Nepalese sentiments. Jay Pasupathinath.
Don't you guys get beaten up by the Chinese in Tatopani and get bossed around even inside Kathmandu ? Not to anything about the CCP having great control of Nepalese government.
@@Jhonnycomelate I never said China is good neighbor. Nepal has problem with both neighbors but who is hurting more that is main issue. Nepal is culturally and socially and religiously more similar to India, in circumstances they should be good neighbors but it is not happening. You tell me why it is not happening.
As a Pakistani l like listening to the print, even though it only ever has a negative opinion towards Pakistan and it's foreign policy, it atleast 1. educates indians about pakistan's western border 2. Explains geography of north India and northern regions of pakistan 3. Given information about pakistan's geography and location with respect to politics. All information that is common knowledge in Pakistan. In a way it shows indians an alternate view into Pakistan and the western border, that the news media in India with their Bollywood themed reporting and poor CGI editing have ruined and almost let down the indian audience by treating them like children and showing them utter crap for information. Mostly just screaming matches between retired indian generals and left wing indians, with an occasional nobody journalist from pakistan.
It is questionable for Indian Gov't to believe it allies with US the same way China did in 1972. China repositioned itself and then opened up its economy in 1978 at the right moment when the US capitals started deindustrialization. No doubt China made a wise decision. Now India must carefully calculate for its own interest what US can offer today other than lip services and what might end up losing by antagonizing China.
Xi Jinping was in Tibet yesterday, Tibet look very developed, have you seen how amazing it's this new train line? fast hey! All those houses are brand new, people look really happy.
Nehru's China policy is well summed as "the HIMALAYAN BLUNDER". There are no excuses/justifications for blunders. The legacy of the mistake was that India is forever on the "defensive" against China. India did not develop any border infrastructure while China did. All current and future PMs of India will always have a tough time dealing with China.
The way China has violated all the agreements signed with India about the maintenance of peace and tranquility along the border does not show it in good light. Also its approach and actions in south China sea are increasing tension in the region. These are not good sign for a country that aspires to become world power.
What have you been smoking? China hasn't violated a single agreement over the border issue, since when did that happen? Modi did come out and explicitly say no PLA soldier crossed into the LAC. This was followed by Indias most decorated general VK Singh, that incursions were made on Indias side. The reality is Modi bought Trumps silence on the repeal of 370 and its intervention in Kashmir, in return for India to test the boundary at the Galwan valley. Geopolitics now spun into Chinas aggression.
Trinidad, we are very good at putting the blame somewhere else and not ourselves. We are in a mess not because of Nehru, Patel or Gandhi who tried hard to unify the nation. We are in a mess because we just have not learned to work together and now our dislike for one another is what is stopping us from creating a better society . Also nations like Japan, China and Korea know what it means to worn hard. We haven't learnt that. Let's unite, work hard, mind our own business and get on with our lives.
You better read the history written by not the Congress goons but someone else. I had to leave my state of Jammu and Kashmir because of the wretched ,soiled, corrupt a womanizer Nehru and Gandhi as well. What else we had to loose, Kashmir, Aksai chin, nepal, islands near Mianmar, United Nations seat which was offered to china in love of china , Appeasement politics and many more things numbers don't end here. Lat us accept the fact that our nation is still suffering because of follies of previous govt. For some it is hard to digest the facts and those people usually throw .......
Ppl who don't know ... Our great chacha nehru 1) nehru supplied rice to PLA when PLA invaded Tibet . ( french journalist on india china relationship) 2) nehru rejected the offer of Nepal's king to add nepal as province of india ...etc ( auto biography of Pranab Mukherji) Many more advantures of gandhi family Wolf in the skin of sheep ...congress is a foreign govt still colonising the minds of india for 72 years and land for 65 yrs
It's about time Indian diplomats wrote more and more about the Chinese Communist Party. He was very coy about how to negotiate with the Chinese. Here are a few things to remember when negotiating with them based on my observation as a layman. 1. Never glorify them by calling them Chinese. They are the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). By giving them a national identity, we empower them more than they need to be. CCP has only 95 million members, while they control a nation of 1.4 billion people with brute force. 2. CCP are bullies and they only understand one language, the language of force. 3. Never confuse their temporary retreat for permanent retreat. They will never permanently go back, they will wait you out if you don't have patience. 4. They are masters of psychological warfare, at least that's what they want you to believe. Don't confuse their bravado for actual strength. 5. It's about time India played offense against them on cyber, drone, AI, and other emerging technologies. Otherwise in 10 years, they will be emboldened to engage in misadventures. 6. Always be on your guard. CCP thugs can never be trusted.
Nehru is a failure. Even now our foreign policy is not upto the mark. We have to open heartedly join quad and US if US is ready to help us seriously with technology and business
2:01 what was that obnoxious intervention by Jyoti all about ? Throwing an out-of-context random fact ...11 years after 1951 India-Chian fought a war? when Vijay is telling that his book is made easy to read for common indian. she does it many a times. i have observed.
My question, could you have developed Tibet like it is now? If yes why your country isn't developed? Next I think you should thanks China for that amazing work in Tibet. Next maybe China can come to help you build.
It was because our country have fought 4 wars and was under western sanctions since 1968 to 2004 because of India developing nuclear bomb to counter china. Also we had traditional socialist economy until collapse of soviets because we needed someone to provide weapons and international support in United Nations and we changed our economic policy in 1991 , while china was acknowledged as un permanent seat due to cozy up to us and providing actions against soviets and since permanent seat they didn't needed usa for their international relations and policies only for economic ones they needed while India was in dilemma because America, china, Pakistan alliance
THANK YOU...MR. GOKHALE ...AND MS. JYOTHI MALHOTRA...!!! JUST ONE POINT ABOUT NEGOTIATIONS: IF WE DO NOT HAVE A UNIFIED , NON PARTISAN , AND UNSELFISH GOAL ...IT IS BETTER NOT TO BE AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE AT ALL...!!! OTHERWISE IT IS LIKE ACCEPTING THE DEFEAT , BEFORE BEING NEGOTIATED...!!! ??? THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED DURING AND AFTER THE YEAR 1947...!!! IT DISPLAYED THE WEAKNESS...NOT THE STRENGTH...!!! Thank you again.
Calling an Ambassador by his first name.. doesn't sound good.. Even the foreign media would address him as Mr Ambassador.. Addressing such Senior by first name is definitely not acceptable in Indian tradition
@Anurag Chakraborty I disagree.. It's not about entitlement.. these senior beurocrats have earned it. They have represented our country at the highest level and deserves respect
@Anurag Chakraborty Ambassador Ghokhle's contribution cannot be overlooked. Everybody is free to make their own choice. Nobody is gonna stop you from addressing your teachers with their first name. There is no compulsion to call seniors as Sir/Ma'am/ Mr/Mrs.. it's personal choice. I don't feel it's appropriate to do so due to the respect. Most of us even call our elder brother or sister as dada, didi.. forget about calling teachers by their first name. I personally think there are thousands of other ways and opportunities to exhibit ones "Progressive" mindset. Not all Western practices need to be followed blindly. Recently we saw Mr N.Murty touching the feet of Mr Ratan Tata. One could ask a question whether it was needed.. it is the way we Indian show our respect.
Lack of diplomatic experience on the part of Government of India at the dawn of her decolonisation is a minor reason for our difficulties with China. The real problem is lack of understanding of India’s strategic persona and absence of thinking to achieve that in full measure proactively.
Chinese have good impression of Indian before the border clash in the 50 and 60s. History show to the Chinese that India is the place to learn about true Buddhism. Many generation of Chinese scholars since the inception of china nation until Song dynasty travel to India to opening up to true teaching of that religion. All these reverse when Nehru took the easy way out to grab border land when china was weakened by the British and other western aggressors. Today indian politicians harp on China threat narrative propagated by again, the western racists in politics and their media, disregarding the facts that China's southern border with smaller nations like Bhutan, Nepal, Sikkim, Myanmar, Pakistan, Bangladesh live in peace and some have been neighbors without losing an inch of territory by
Vijay Gokhale was a diplomat. A diplomat is one who is tutored to lie for india. Gokhale is no exception to this dictum. He is lieing as a dutiful diplomat for the sake of our country. India is putting up a stiff resistance to Chinese aggression. No doubt about it. The reality is that China is calling the shots now. Having bargained away a clear tactical advantage on kailash range in partial exchange of territory we are now without any bargaining chips up our sleeves. Nor do we have the wherewithal to retrieve other areas militarily as we are in a weakened position to reclaim our lost territory peacefully & militarily. This has been well established with all facts by defence experts like Shyam saran, Ajay shukhla etc...
Chandrasekhar It is the lack of common sense and leadership quality led such a situation. Darfur Patel warned Mr Nehru well in advance about Tibet and Arunachal Pradesh.
I'm sick and tired of so called DIPLOMATS and politicians dragging Nehru's name on every issues to blame him for every wrong. Why don't you do something about it then? Change the policy if necessary for the country's interest. Don't behave like a sore loser blaming on Nehru policy for every ills in this country. He did it 70 years ago. Now, the so called DIPLOMATS and politicians should change the necessary policies on socio-economic and political and foreign affairs. Be damn PRAGMATIC and REALISTIC, DIPLOMATS 🤮😡
Thank You Wire🙏 Thank You Jyoti Ji 🙏 Thank You Vijay Ji🙏 hope Modi Govt will act differently than his predecessors had🙏 Free Tibet Means Free China and Free world.
How be realistic brother its not happening neither will China let it happen nor does oir govt have the stomach for such an adventure it's just not realistically possible
@@diyerwoo2899look Chinese has no ride to interfere indo Tibet border.historically china has nothing to do ,just eat your bugs and dogs whatever you have,mouth shut.understand?
@@jamtruk-yulha-thongyur do you even know each dalai lama must be approved by Chinese emperors? You were not even a united country before the British came to rule you. Now you want Tibet.
@@diyerwoo2899 let's have a war,we will see how strong is paper dragon.whi can't anything to USA, even they go around south china sea,they supply weapon to Taiwan one your face.poor china.
We missed the public pronouncements that China will bring Tibet in Chinese fold BUT Chinese have not missed public pronouncements by Amit Shah that India will bring back Aksai Chin back to India.
To tackle CHINA we need HIGH degree of self Reliance and will China's fear is Modi is at it XI want to test MODI s resistance and resilience PLUS PEOPLES MOOD to take on CHINA
The idea of self-reliance is outdated and non-feasible. If anything, it is trade and integration that seems to prevent wars and escalating conflicts (e.g. the EU). I am not saying India should not pursue self-reliance or China-like industrialization. India should but not by chasing "self-reliance" but by becoming "competitive" in some of the sectors where China has a huge advantage. e.g. India is doing pretty well in Iron and Steel but better policies could help it even become much better. These things will take time but India's biggest problem is that they never take shape.
Tibetans are an oppressed community in China and we are hosting the Tibetan government in exile in India. Why then is China not included among the countries included in the CAA?
India beat china or china beat India is just an assumption. When it happens there will be nothing left for discussion. The border should be respected, one can't live in past.
No my friend that's not completely true, before 2014 even i used to think that way but now i realize tht its we the ppl who are the biggest obstacle in our own growth. Majority of us are so self centred tht we don't see bigger picture, हमे सब मुफ्त चाहिए, हमे चाहिए की हमारी ladai कोई और लडे हमे कुछ नहीं करना...
Overall a very balanced interview. Until India changes its strategic thinking on Tibet the menace of China is not going away soon. It is not an easy task but not an impossibility. With right partners, and political conviction it can be achieved. But time alone will tell.
Good insight into the issue from a diplomatic point ! It is for the political leadership of PM Modi to devise a cunning and calculating strategy to deal with China. India needs to engage with China (deeply eventually)because that country has the knowhow and resources to modernize India's pathetic and crumbling infrastructure dating back to British colonial days!! The Europeans and the rest of the west are already engaged with China and the other Asian giants!
The title says it all about India’s self-induced inferiority complex. Why do you need to “stand up” to another nation if you are their equal or superior?
"You might well say that, I cannot possibly comment." Famous quote of Francis Urquhart from House of Cards. The context in which FU frequently used this is to confirm to his source what the source is saying is true.
When your neighbours is being massacred... you just closed door and pretend nothings happened and socialize with murders .... you never thought you could be next: from Tibet, And India relationship, the message is that always help your neighbours when in need to ensure your own safety.
The Middle Way is the core strategy goal of HH Dalai Lama’s and the Tibetan people’s vision for Tibet’s future. Under the Middle Way, Tibet would remain part of the People’s Republic of China, but Tibetans would have meaningful autonomy.
We have heard of people using "Of the 1% by the 1% for the 1%" to describe the current US system. As for India, it has always been so since the beginning of time. Reform is what India has to go through, and reform is near impossible in this country. India is not the USA, the former doesn't have the capital to play geopolitics.
Diplomatic inexperience is just an excuse, the real reason is Nehru's desire to be considered as a great statesman, and that has hurt IND, is hurting IND and would continue to hurt IND. Recognising Tibet as part of CCP, giving up the UNSC seat, taking Kashmir issue to UNSC.......nothing explains this apart from Nehru's desire to be recognised as a statesman. Unfortunately, such people forget that history celebrates and recognises only and only honesty and nothing else. Every other short cut is just temporary.
Tafari ras . India is already no. 1 in patting its govt's back and worshipping it. No criticism allowed. Nothing to improve. We are already there on the top rung!
There was no India as a country in the history, it was assembled by British. It was British-India. The problem with the Indians is that they want to inherit those territories the UK forcefully took from the neighbouring countries.
Any other great insight ! True, India is a civilisation . Indian influence reaches far beyond the borders of British India. And the so called neighboring countries have always been Indian. You go to Pakistan - these Pakistanis are Indian down to the genetic level!
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India was ahead of China in 1980. China was full blown Marxist while India had a closed market economy. China completely adopted the free market while India persisted with protectionism. India needs to learn from China's experience with capitalism if it wants to compete with China.
Since the 1950s the USA was trying to get India to become the manufacturing hub of the world. India as stupid as usual rejected this and thought they were more smart then the Americans and could go it alone.
@@arunsharma4334 Source?
Or, the old self-defeating restrictive trade and economic policy, now in the guise of "Atmanirvar" economy, is continuing but for a short pause in between!
@@farhadfaisal9410 how it is self destructive?
@@farhadfaisal9410 You are confusing Aaatmanirbhar with "Closed" economy. Self-reliance can lead to surplus and surplus can lead to exports. Exports and consumption boost the GDP. It is our politics that have made Self-reliance = NO COMPETITION. This is the old Congress mentality. Congress is the Kingpin of bad policies and BJP is only pleased to carry them forward and not reverse.
Well India isn't equal to China. Look at the economics. While we should be developing, our politicians are busy with dividing people on religion and bringing back protectionism.
Our average IQ is 79 in China around 110. I think we always will be behind China for next millenum. Today world is based on technology, even more so in the future.
@@nycbk9043 sadly true, but we can get close.
@@nycbk9043 ghanta 110
@@nycbk9043 If that is so, then why are Indian Americans in the top positions in most of top careers and earn the most ans not the Chinese Americans? Accent problem you think, no it is not that too.
@@MostWantedTH-camr Average means if you take 10.000 people how many will be dumb and how many will be smart. We have a lot of dumb people walking around, this you would know if you lived here in India. Of course out of total population of +1 billion, some people will be very smart, in our case the smartest people go to USA as speak English and they go live abroad with good living of standard (good for them!), in China most of them stay in house to help their country and to boost their own technology and development.
I find it heartening, after reading the comments: that the cooler heads outnumbered the hotheads. There is hope that reason and rationality will prevail.
Here a few points that I hope will prove our discussion.
1. Why is India wasting its resources over the Tiber issue?
Won't those resources be better employed on building its own economy and infrastructure?
2. Territorial claims.
India has had no historical influence nor political relationship with Tibet. Neither does it have a strategic need to use Tibet as a strategic buffer for its borders. The Himalayas already serve that purpose. So why fight over a few pieces of rock and desert?
3. OTOH China has deep historical connection with Tibet, because it was part of the Silk Route going back all the way to the Han dynasty which was about 300 BC. India has no such influence. Throughout history Tibet was never really a 'State' in the conventional sense, but a bunch of kingdoms united by a common religion and a spiritual leader.
4. Tibet is is strategically very very important to China:
- It provides a direct land route for invading armies.
- it is the source of water for five great rivers, that probably sustained more than a third of humanity. Two of these rivers are vital for China's survival.
5. Both China and India were superpowers in the ancient world. Then they were humiliated, raped and pillage by the Western colonialist. Now that they are on the rise again: it makes sense for both of them to work together and pursue mutual progress, and also influence and bring progress to the rest of the world. ?
It is totally irrational for India to salt with its previous oppressors, against a very advantageous potential ally!
Is it because of its own insecurity, or has it fallen prey to Weston 'divide and conquer' ideas.
6. Culturally, China acknowledges it's historical and cultural links with India. The story "The Journey to the West", lives on in common literature. So too the fact that it was an Indian monk Bodhidharma that brought Buddhism to China. Every Chinese kid knows these facts.
This could be a thread that would you like to do countries. Think of the economic benefits, of Chinese tourists making pilgrimages to the Buddhist sites in India, instead of going to Paris!
Very interesting and practical comments. India not only needs to work with China but also other Asian countries like Indonesia , Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam etc and Afghanistan and Iran. This will create a more balanced world.
If mankind is to progress , the only way it can be done is through peace and stability. Peace and stability can only come about in an equal world. No big brother/ sister bullying the smaller brother or sister.
Indian need to unite properly and respect one another once and for all.
if it is so then why your government tore many previous agreements. why your government doesn't talk like you are doing here on youtube? you are advising us to accept your superiority and do what you want us to do against western powers. how it is different from USA that wants us to do the same against you (China)? What's the guarantee that 1962 won't happen again? we have to keep backup options ready for that. if you want respect you must show it first. ask your government to talk to our government (Indian) same way as you are projecting here. do you think that can ever happen? diplomacy and urge of power don't give much weightage to cultural and historical facts.
China is not any different than western nations. what is china doing in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Bangladesh against India? Is that not divide and conquer ideas? you think Indians are stupid that we can't understand China, Russia, USA, and UK. projecting yourself like a holy monk lol. China is no saint. India must counter it to protect its interests. it was India who allowed China to become one of the permanent UNSC members because of the cultural and historical links that you talked about. and in return, you gave us 1962.
@Fantastic Tea hm okay it wasn't my main point it was the last point. my main point was that China can't be trusted. in 1950s India's perception was that Chin is a Buddhist country so it is not a threat to India. we didn't take any measures to counter china at that time. it was a total mistake as it was evident in 1962. but since then we have improved ourselves. China can't bully us anymore as one can see in Ladakh. the day china becomes as powerful as USA they will attack India. we must prepare for that.
and if you have good relation with someone doesn't mean you can grab their land. what gave china rights to occupy Tibet? just because they had good relations with Tibet for thousands of years so they can now occupy their land and force Chinese culture on them?
@Fantastic Tea i know. Indian government also recognizes Taiwan as part of China but is it?? is Taiwan part of china???
who told you that 80% of Kashmiri wants to join Pakistan??? being Muslim means they want to join Pakistan? lol
@Fantastic Tea haha exactly. don't try any misadventure against India. we also know how to exploit your weakness (Tibet and Taiwan). just mind your business. is Tibetans want to be Chinese or Taiwanese??? lol you're not answering the question. asking questions in the answer is not an answer. dumb communists
For all those Indians who complain that China not treating India as equals, they should first ask themselves is there any major country from the QUAD and EU that treated India as equals.
You are correct. China is unrivalled. Bcz China is assisting world to fight Covid19 ( Chinese Origin Viral Infection Disease 19)
True. All those in the Quad are US lackeys.
As if the USA treats china as equal? These western countries can never treat anybody with respect
The disparity is not a matter of belief. It's a plain fact.
India really needs to stop looking outwards for its mistakes. China is not the main problem for India, a rival and adversary yes, but the Himilayas maintains relations well.The first step for an entity to grow is to look within itself. India should try and become a grander India, not a second China
You are a Fool just like our Government and Babus
Sunny Mitra, it is true that every country has to find its own way. Becoming a superpower should not be the goal but establishing a righteous , cultured , equal and just society should be the goal.
@@shakuntalalivneh8742 Some say that is a far greater achievement than becoming a super power. Like the Nordic countries, they may not have a large influence on the world but their people are some of the happiest and wealthiest in the world
@@sunnymitra6372 What didn’t you agree with
The Nordic countries are intelligent. At least many of them. They are small nations and know the meaning of balance. They don't have gross inequalities and they spend money on education, infrastructure, and culture generally and mind their own business. They do not interfere with other nations. They have peace and stability.
JM in top form here.
At only the second minute - "Can I interject here....." 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
India shut up support Made in China products. India hopeless in economy and technology.
Ha ha true -the only interviewer I've seen who does NOT let the interviewee speak!
True that. I have noticed this hundreds of times and it makes me want to discontinue watching her videos regardless of how expertise persists in her show by the guests!
Excellent conversation. Ambassador Gokhale spoke like a true and very seasoned diplomat. Didn’t fall into the trap of answering any question, which he didn’t want to. Lots to learn from him just by watching this interview. Thank you.
I had the exact same feeling. And yet, he answers several questions on the Chinese in Ladakh, in his own, inimitable way...JM
What Mr Vijay is saying is correct. We should be prepared. Preparing should start with strategy.
Not too over cautious but be strong and straight forward. No appeasement please.
What a clever way of saying that Nehru was incompetent....
This is indeed an interesting book, I never thought of it this way. Nehru was indeed incompetent.It's not that he was not smart. He just did not have the experience needed. If you know what Mao of China had to go through to win China for CCP, Nehru's experience was virtually nothing.
As a Chinese, I give my comments.
1.There is barely no connection between China and India in British-India era, cold war era, as well as today. Just imagine a stranger passed by when walking on a street, are you going to evaluate if you are equal to him or not?? No, NO AT ALL because no need to between two strangers.
2.Playing Tibet or Dalai Lama card is a new wishful thinking of India. Now Tibet has GDP per capita more than 3 times of India, let alone the slave master's refugees. China performs flexible negotiation without breaking our baseline. While India or Dalai Lama wants to break it. So, no need to negotiate at all. In addition, Dalai Lama has been 86 years old, after he passes away, China will not accept his refugees. and there may be a new one certificated by China central gov.
3.Since 1980s, China never has military cost/GDP more than 2%, while never below 2% of India. It is a big burden for developing economy. Keeping the border tension on is a good news for China, as well as Indian army, because India would never use military budget to boost economy.
4.At the early stage of 1950s, China stress the position of India not only because of diplomacy policy, but also for India's economy which is better than China. But after China complete the first 5 year plan and many industry index surpass India, China realize that India gov or Nehru can do almost nothing but simply keep what inherited from British-India. From that time on, it is clearly that China will first surpass India first and gap on and on inevitably. So, it is since later 1950s to depict the trend between China and India today, rather than 1980s by many Indian experts.
Finally, China would not build a global coalition to against India because there is no need to fight against a stranger at all.
We lost so much during the Nehruvian period.
The loss of Gilgit Baltistan was the most important. Had that region been in Indian administration then CPEC wouldn't have materialised.
Also India would have direct access to Afghanistan and thence to central Asia.
His pacifist policy made India a "Pussy" in the eyes of China
@rofl gandhi 3.0 yes, but India was pushing it away. Nehru signed the peace deal, and hence the borders were frozen.
@rofl gandhi 3.0 if Nehru would've let the army capture it then GB would've been India's
@@rarediamond6868 we are not butchers of untrained peasants, we don’t mind gathering all the leftists and the army of TMC killing forces, and sending them to the Tibetan borders and ladakh!.
Elephant keeps complaining that the Dragon didn't treat the Elephant as equal. The Elephant will be treated as equal by the Dragon if it stays independent, instead, it joined the Quad to follows the coattail of the Eagle, lowering its own position below the Eagle and the Dragon.
'Beijing believes India is not its equal'. Well they are not wrong.
China never compared itself with India. Never in any way, shape or form. there really wasn't/isn't much dealing between India and China because mother nature provides a natural barrier between the two countries.
China wanted to catch up to Japan in the early years, and then the US.
Why would they compare with India, we all look forward to someone above us, do we look up to Pakistan? No
China can think what it wants nothing worrisome. Some Indians can't even think India is better than China. How can u live without basic freedoms ? That's China.
When world-class diplomats are busy improving trade relations with other countries, including China, to buy all the geopolitical leverage points, India focuses on the border issues and political quarrels with China as the central issue. There will be no war between two nuclear states because there is no winner, only loser and loser in a nuclear war. Our diplomats should know that geopolitics is the superstructure of economics. Therefore, if we don't grow our economy, build our domestic market, train our laborers well to attract foreign investments, we don't have any geopolitical leverage against China, especially given the sheer size of China's comprehensive national power, which is seven times compared to India. Hence, we should freeze all the issues against China for now and focus on growing our economy rapidly. China-US rivalry presents us the best moment for India to play an independent actor where both US and China are ready to offer us a better deal if we show diplomatic cunningness.
I think India's major loss after independence was loosing Sardar patel as soon as we get independence. If he would have lived for further 5-10 yrs I think 370 wouldn't have been implemented fully.
if we would have followed savakar's ideology we would have been better than America let alone china.
@@iWillRun_ and what was Savarkar's ideology? Why did people of India vote for Nehru, 15 long years?
@Vinamra Singhai i feel sad for savakar if he was PM of India we would have lest poverty and no problems .
Mr. Leh, are you serious or is this irony? I hope it is!
Vinamara Singhal, the whole of India was uneducated ( bar a few people) . It is the legacy that the British left us.
Our biggest tragedy is that for a thousand or more years , we have been a fragmented nation , only coming together now and then. On top of that , we learnt the trick of divide and rule from the British , do we have spent so much time quarreling over language, ethnicity, race, religion , caste and so on. We think in terms of hierarchies which has no place in the modern world. And today we are worse than ever because even our present govt. works in terms of dividing people.
The Chinese are pragmatic and know how to unite. A lesson they probably learnt from their own history.
Whatever system you use ,( capitalist or socialist) you need to be realistic. First of all, you cannot have the huge gap between rich and poor that you have in India. You need to invest heavily in quality education. Every citizen has a right to quality education, food( good nutrition ) and a decent environment and if China can achieve this so can India but they need to massively change their thinking. If we are busy quarreling internally we don't have a hope in hell of progressing. Whenever we United as under the Mauryas ( King Ashoka etc. ) we progressed . There is no doubt about it.
Just like Olympic 2020, today medal counts : China 29, India 1. How to treat you equal?
And the west certainly doesn't look upon India as equal. They look down down on us as much as they did in colonial times. We should be independent and strong , not militarily but first of all morally and ethically .
The Indian mind is living in a dream.
Day dreaming
Pankaj Gupta. True. Time to focus on real issues , on reality.
India is not China's equal, China is honestly a superpower now with superior economical reforms and look at their currency Yuan lol, rupee kaha Yuan kaha , kaha ka comparison
Yep 9.5 rupees equals 1 yuan
""Murder with a borrowed knife"" is a Chinese proverb
@@chanalex8358 it is Chinese. In Cantonese, "it is Cher Tow Sart Yan". Ask any Hongkonger or anyone from Guangdong Province. There is a Putonghua version, too. I am a Chinese origin and watch Hongkong movies. I know. You don't know then, now you know
借刀杀人
Mr. Gohlke you are still very very over cautious with the Tibetan issue, thats very harmful to India and not to us Tibetans. These are weak signs of the Indian leaders in the passed Galwan incidence last year.
Absolutely Correct Brother........Indian Government and Babus were always Coward.
He is just so professional, and full of integrity!
If India wants to be equal, it has to be and behave as one.
Very interesting! The inability to grasp the seriousness of the overtly expressed Chinese claim on Tibet..to convey that effectively to the then Indian leadership, forget blocking it, is a continued Indian failing. Can't recall over 40 years of spectacular Chinese build-up, anyone who analyzed its implications and blew a compelling whistle to alert all Indians to the threat. Even today the leadership is lax in galvanizing and leading an all-of-India approach to meet the Chinese threat.
We must not forget the mischief the British were doing in Tibet. In fact the mischief they were doing all over that area, including Afghanistan which is bleeding even today. The West do not want to see Afghanistan progressing.
China’s view of its territory boundary date back centuries whereas India’s view date till post British colonised India. Inherited expanded territory would not legitimate India’s claim. India should learn history better rather than playing victim in this case.
China's view of territory using history is not right either. If it is right, then the territories should be returned to all the rightful owners. Example China should be returned to the KMT,who in turn should return China to the descendants of the Qing Dynasty. These process would then be repeated until the time when the first human appeared in China.
@@rbc812 The modern reference of countries' territories will be based on United Nations after WWII. The Republic of China (ROC) inherited its territory from the Qing Dynasty, likewise, the People's Republic of China (PRC) inherited its territory from ROC. The United Nations recognized China (with Tibet included) as under ROC from 1945 to 1971 and officially changed the recognition to PRC in 1971. India claimed was based on the treaty between the British and Tibet's local government, and according to United Nations record, Tibet is part of China, period.
@@alexbltay1 Why based on UN. Why not based on the Bible or Quran/?
@@rbc812 Because I am not naive, based on the time Bible and Quran were written, this world is deemed to be flat and not a globe that we knew since the 15th century.
@@rbc812 That is how the 193 countries in this world were recognized by the United Nations. Want to change that, going back to United Nations for arbitration.
Hahaha. Hatred, blame. Carry on. China is not bothered.
China is growing n growing.
Mr. Vijay Keshav Gokhale IFS - India's former Foreign Secretary( My Class Mate in St. Stephen's College , Delhi )I and Vijay joined together in 1975 in the same course.
How do you rate him as a diplomat and a fellow student 🙏
@@shankarcg786 Sir--- Vijay has done us all very proud. Another from that class to join IFS was Yashovardhan Sinha. Yash is son of Lt. Gen SK Sinha , also Ambassador of India to Nepal . Satish Mathur IPS from this batch and course became DGP Maharashtra and Alok Verma Director CBI , Vipul Vijoy DGP Gujarat , Pramod Mody IRS - Chairman CBDT , among many others from this class / course --- Regards
@@akaj188 thanks for sharing your thoughts though I have personally never met Mr Vijay Gokhale, I always had this gut feel by watching him in TV 📺as an Indian diplomat that he is humble, soft spoken person with high level of intellect and grasping power to understand international issues and has impeccable integrity towards the nation whilst performing his job for the country especially on China related matters. I specifically watched this interview only for him, where I saw he was using words very carefully in a measured manner though he has retired from his job as a diplomat.🙏
@@shankarcg786 sir Thanks Very true. Vijay is a China expert Regards
@@akaj188 please don't call me "sir" in fact i have to call you big "SIR" because I was just born in 1974 and I must tell that St Stephen College is one of the finest institutions in our country which has produced the men of excellence like you, Mr Vijay Gokhale and many such luminaries, I was surprised that it even teaches sanskrit when I was planning to learn samskritam few months back. Thanks once again 🕉🙏
Kudos to the guest and the content.
Special mention to Jothi for hosting like a pro. I had previously pointed out of her interjecting the guest at the wrong time. Thank you for the “course correction” ✌️
i did notice that in this interview too... probably cause the guest did not say much that would seem like suppirting the current Indian govt. she seriously gets irritated the moment any guest actually says anything that even remotely says 'Modi/BJP did well'
Please china beyond to the next level in future, India still developing very slowly 😂🤣😂.
India loves to compare Pakistan, but China is growing fast in economy and technology becoming a super power Asian country.
So India shut up support made in China products.
@@eshwarashawn4493 it’s always good to aspire to achieve higher. China has indeed done great in building domestic businesses and infrastructure, India has to catch up.
@@chethansagar China did well in grabbing the land of other countries and spreading corona virus!
@@vaibhavsane2 True!
The only way India can stand up to China is by at least becoming 10 trillion dollars economy in next 15 years. No one can fight with a hungry stomachs. Now within our country, some states are doing very well. Whereas others are just using taxpayers money even after the 75 years. Time has come to reward the performers.
True ...economy is the key...rest is all peripheral nonsense
India it's not the equal to Beijing. Maybe one day but not now so take it easy
If China feels India is not its equal, how right they are. India is not 1/10 th the capability of China in anything. Visit China once and you’ll know in 3 days.
Thank you Print for a wonderful interview with Mr. Gokhale. Glad to see a bit of Francis Urquhart at the end ! I look forward to getting my copy soon. Godspeed to you Sir.
27:46 "You might well say that but I cannot possibly comment" -- Didn't he just quote Francis Urquhart? XD
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If I could go back in time , I would tell godse to delete nehru instead of Gandhi , we could've made ties with the Soviet cos netaji was building foreign ties and probably would become the first pm , jinnah even said he would not opt for partition if Netaji lead the country. Plus none of those sino wars cos close ties with communist USSR and China.
Deb Arya. Is this true? I haven't heard this ever.
However, sadly Netaji sided with the Japanese who did not act morally during the World War. The Japanese, a nation I admire did not have the moral high ground in the way they conducted the war in S. E. Asia , though you can argue that by the end nobody was acting morally. What the Japanese did in Nanking was morally indefensible and what the Americans did to the Japanrse by dropping two vicious atom bombs on the Japanese was also morally indefensible.
“I learned growing up on the streets of Leningrad, If a fight is inevitable, you always have to strike first”
Vladimir Putin
Lol but Vladimir never did that. If you strike bro, China destroy you
@@Hahaha41241 LOL
@@Hahaha41241 And Vladimir is going to remain quite after china "destroy" him?. His country has the highest number of nuclear weapons on the planet. What do you think he will do with them?. China will be vaporized instantly!
@@neilmanx1001 Don't worry about Vlad and Xi, they are too dependent on each other. Their relationship is now very comprehensive. They are close neighbours, can defend each other on international stage, China can provide top AI for Russia, Russi provide top hard wear. Russia has natural resources in great quantity and quality for China. Russia is almost communist in someway too.
What else, have you see them in a talk they seem really happy to talk with each other, they know together they are stronger. Don't dream about China and Russia against each other, it's too late for that. 👎🇺🇸
@@MostWantedTH-camr I wasn't talking about I was talking if the Indian strike, Russia and China friendship unbreakable right now. Lot of respect for Vladimir.
Why does she keep interrupting?
Better if the anchor had used “prime Minister” Nehru instead of Nehru. Great to see Mr Gokhale sticking with the PM Nehru. Just shows the respect for the position no matter the person
Yes...we should respect our PM
Even weaker PM has to be respected, yes.
US does not think rest of the world power is equal to US so does China does not think India is equal to China and India is not thinking Nepal is equal to India since India’s independence. China is hurting Indian sentiments so does India is hurting Nepalese sentiments. Jay Pasupathinath.
Don't you guys get beaten up by the Chinese in Tatopani and get bossed around even inside Kathmandu ? Not to anything about the CCP having great control of Nepalese government.
@@Jhonnycomelate I never said China is good neighbor. Nepal has problem with both neighbors but who is hurting more that is main issue. Nepal is culturally and socially and religiously more similar to India, in circumstances they should be good neighbors but it is not happening. You tell me why it is not happening.
As a Pakistani l like listening to the print, even though it only ever has a negative opinion towards Pakistan and it's foreign policy, it atleast
1. educates indians about pakistan's western border
2. Explains geography of north India and northern regions of pakistan
3. Given information about pakistan's geography and location with respect to politics.
All information that is common knowledge in Pakistan.
In a way it shows indians an alternate view into Pakistan and the western border, that the news media in India with their Bollywood themed reporting and poor CGI editing have ruined and almost let down the indian audience by treating them like children and showing them utter crap for information.
Mostly just screaming matches between retired indian generals and left wing indians, with an occasional nobody journalist from pakistan.
Print is better than wion
It is questionable for Indian Gov't to believe it allies with US the same way China did in 1972. China repositioned itself and then opened up its economy in 1978 at the right moment when the US capitals started deindustrialization. No doubt China made a wise decision. Now India must carefully calculate for its own interest what US can offer today other than lip services and what might end up losing by antagonizing China.
I suggest someone write a book on Tibet for laymen to understand its history and links with India and China
"The Great Game in the Buddhist Himalayas "by Phunchok Stobdan (IFS) .
"Nehru"...... "Yes, Prime Minister Nehru" - Loved the respect shown here.
India’s reaction to Chinese occupation of Tibet was not sufficient enough as it was in case of Kashmir. What is the use of crying over spilt milk?
Xi Jinping was in Tibet yesterday, Tibet look very developed, have you seen how amazing it's this new train line? fast hey!
All those houses are brand new, people look really happy.
Nehru's China policy is well summed as "the HIMALAYAN BLUNDER". There are no excuses/justifications for blunders. The legacy of the mistake was that India is forever on the "defensive" against China. India did not develop any border infrastructure while China did. All current and future PMs of India will always have a tough time dealing with China.
Mr Gokhale’s interview is always a treat. Thank you, The Print!
The way China has violated all the agreements signed with India about the maintenance of peace and tranquility along the border does not show it in good light. Also its approach and actions in south China sea are increasing tension in the region. These are not good sign for a country that aspires to become world power.
What have you been smoking? China hasn't violated a single agreement over the border issue, since when did that happen? Modi did come out and explicitly say no PLA soldier crossed into the LAC. This was followed by Indias most decorated general VK Singh, that incursions were made on Indias side.
The reality is Modi bought Trumps silence on the repeal of 370 and its intervention in Kashmir, in return for India to test the boundary at the Galwan valley. Geopolitics now spun into Chinas aggression.
How can Mr Gokhle make these buggers (The print) understand that all the miseries being faced by Bharat is the brain child of Beetle brain... Nehru.
Trinidad, we are very good at putting the blame somewhere else and not ourselves. We are in a mess not because of Nehru, Patel or Gandhi who tried hard to unify the nation. We are in a mess because we just have not learned to work together and now our dislike for one another is what is stopping us from creating a better society . Also nations like Japan, China and Korea know what it means to worn hard. We haven't learnt that. Let's unite, work hard, mind our own business and get on with our lives.
You better read the history written by not the Congress goons but someone else. I had to leave my state of Jammu and Kashmir because of the wretched ,soiled, corrupt a womanizer Nehru and Gandhi as well. What else we had to loose, Kashmir, Aksai chin, nepal, islands near Mianmar, United Nations seat which was offered to china in love of china , Appeasement politics and many more things numbers don't end here. Lat us accept the fact that our nation is still suffering because of follies of previous govt. For some it is hard to digest the facts and those people usually throw .......
Rubbish interview. Why did the author join the interview if he didn’t want to provide insights? He appears more concerned with sales of his book
Ppl who don't know ...
Our great chacha nehru
1) nehru supplied rice to PLA when PLA invaded Tibet . ( french journalist on india china relationship)
2) nehru rejected the offer of Nepal's king to add nepal as province of india ...etc ( auto biography of Pranab Mukherji)
Many more advantures of gandhi family
Wolf in the skin of sheep ...congress is a foreign govt still colonising the minds of india for 72 years and land for 65 yrs
It's a sad truth but in all developmental parameters India is at least 20 years behind China.
It's about time Indian diplomats wrote more and more about the Chinese Communist Party. He was very coy about how to negotiate with the Chinese. Here are a few things to remember when negotiating with them based on my observation as a layman.
1. Never glorify them by calling them Chinese. They are the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). By giving them a national identity, we empower them more than they need to be. CCP has only 95 million members, while they control a nation of 1.4 billion people with brute force.
2. CCP are bullies and they only understand one language, the language of force.
3. Never confuse their temporary retreat for permanent retreat. They will never permanently go back, they will wait you out if you don't have patience.
4. They are masters of psychological warfare, at least that's what they want you to believe. Don't confuse their bravado for actual strength.
5. It's about time India played offense against them on cyber, drone, AI, and other emerging technologies. Otherwise in 10 years, they will be emboldened to engage in misadventures.
6. Always be on your guard. CCP thugs can never be trusted.
Nehru is a failure. Even now our foreign policy is not upto the mark. We have to open heartedly join quad and US if US is ready to help us seriously with technology and business
2:01 what was that obnoxious intervention by Jyoti all about ? Throwing an out-of-context random fact ...11 years after 1951 India-Chian fought a war? when Vijay is telling that his book is made easy to read for common indian.
she does it many a times. i have observed.
My question, could you have developed Tibet like it is now?
If yes why your country isn't developed?
Next I think you should thanks China for that amazing work in Tibet.
Next maybe China can come to help you build.
It was because our country have fought 4 wars and was under western sanctions since 1968 to 2004 because of India developing nuclear bomb to counter china. Also we had traditional socialist economy until collapse of soviets because we needed someone to provide weapons and international support in United Nations and we changed our economic policy in 1991 , while china was acknowledged as un permanent seat due to cozy up to us and providing actions against soviets and since permanent seat they didn't needed usa for their international relations and policies only for economic ones they needed while India was in dilemma because America, china, Pakistan alliance
@@rs-ku8ls don't you think it's better China India work together.
THANK YOU...MR. GOKHALE ...AND MS. JYOTHI MALHOTRA...!!!
JUST ONE POINT ABOUT NEGOTIATIONS:
IF WE DO NOT HAVE A UNIFIED , NON PARTISAN , AND UNSELFISH GOAL ...IT IS BETTER NOT TO BE AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE AT ALL...!!!
OTHERWISE
IT IS LIKE ACCEPTING THE DEFEAT , BEFORE BEING NEGOTIATED...!!! ???
THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED DURING AND AFTER THE YEAR 1947...!!!
IT DISPLAYED THE WEAKNESS...NOT THE STRENGTH...!!!
Thank you again.
This time is Modi's time "Not impotent of past leaders including Nehru" . Modi know how to hit on face of oppositions.
Calling an Ambassador by his first name.. doesn't sound good..
Even the foreign media would address him as Mr Ambassador..
Addressing such Senior by first name is definitely not acceptable in Indian tradition
@Anurag Chakraborty I disagree.. It's not about entitlement.. these senior beurocrats have earned it. They have represented our country at the highest level and deserves respect
@Anurag Chakraborty Ambassador Ghokhle's contribution cannot be overlooked.
Everybody is free to make their own choice. Nobody is gonna stop you from addressing your teachers with their first name. There is no compulsion to call seniors as Sir/Ma'am/ Mr/Mrs.. it's personal choice.
I don't feel it's appropriate to do so due to the respect. Most of us even call our elder brother or sister as dada, didi.. forget about calling teachers by their first name.
I personally think there are thousands of other ways and opportunities to exhibit ones "Progressive" mindset.
Not all Western practices need to be followed blindly.
Recently we saw Mr N.Murty touching the feet of Mr Ratan Tata. One could ask a question whether it was needed.. it is the way we Indian show our respect.
Lack of diplomatic experience on the part of Government of India at the dawn of her decolonisation is a minor reason for our difficulties with China. The real problem is lack of understanding of India’s strategic persona and absence of thinking to achieve that in full measure proactively.
Chinese have good impression of Indian before the border clash in the 50 and 60s. History show to the Chinese that India is the place to learn about true Buddhism. Many generation of Chinese scholars since the inception of china nation until Song dynasty travel to India to opening up to true teaching of that religion. All these reverse when Nehru took the easy way out to grab border land when china was weakened by the British and other western aggressors.
Today indian politicians harp on China threat narrative propagated by again, the western racists in politics and their media, disregarding the facts that China's southern border with smaller nations like Bhutan, Nepal, Sikkim, Myanmar, Pakistan, Bangladesh live in peace and some have been neighbors without losing an inch of territory by
Various vision long scale Vijay Gokhale writing this book on China
Vijay Gokhale was a diplomat. A diplomat is one who is tutored to lie for india. Gokhale is no exception to this dictum.
He is lieing as a dutiful diplomat for the sake of our country. India is putting up a stiff resistance to Chinese aggression. No doubt about it.
The reality is that China is calling the shots now. Having bargained away a clear tactical advantage on kailash range in partial exchange of territory we are now without any bargaining chips up our sleeves.
Nor do we have the wherewithal to retrieve other areas militarily as we are in a weakened position to reclaim our lost territory peacefully & militarily. This has been well established with all facts by defence experts like Shyam saran, Ajay shukhla etc...
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It is the lack of common sense and leadership quality led such a situation. Darfur Patel warned Mr Nehru well in advance about Tibet and Arunachal Pradesh.
I'm sick and tired of so called DIPLOMATS and politicians dragging Nehru's name on every issues to blame him for every wrong.
Why don't you do something about it then? Change the policy if necessary for the country's interest. Don't behave like a sore loser blaming on Nehru policy for every ills in this country. He did it 70 years ago. Now, the so called DIPLOMATS and politicians should change the necessary policies on socio-economic and political and foreign affairs. Be damn PRAGMATIC and REALISTIC, DIPLOMATS 🤮😡
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In reality, China and India are not equal in every measure. There is no chance for the weak to demand equal treatment.
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Thank You Wire🙏 Thank You Jyoti Ji 🙏 Thank You Vijay Ji🙏 hope Modi Govt will act differently than his predecessors had🙏 Free Tibet Means Free China and Free world.
Realtime experience is another thing, and reverse analysis is another, well opinions. , Wait for mine when I go through the book. 👍
Planning to buy this one.
19:00
India must regain all lost territories, annex Chinese territories and then negotiate for settlement.
Oh boy. And how India is going to do that!!! In Bollywood movies!!
How be realistic brother its not happening neither will China let it happen nor does oir govt have the stomach for such an adventure it's just not realistically possible
@@maroofjan6848 maybe take encouragement from freely circulated video on TH-cam of 1971 surrender by meek pak army. It's truly inspiring
Indian policy sometimes let others view country as a weak and poor. On that confident chinese keep crossing border.
What border? There is no agreed borderline.
@@diyerwoo2899look Chinese has no ride to interfere indo Tibet border.historically china has nothing to do ,just eat your bugs and dogs whatever you have,mouth shut.understand?
@@jamtruk-yulha-thongyur do you even know each dalai lama must be approved by Chinese emperors? You were not even a united country before the British came to rule you. Now you want Tibet.
You are weak and poor. It is not others think you are.
@@diyerwoo2899 let's have a war,we will see how strong is paper dragon.whi can't anything to USA, even they go around south china sea,they supply weapon to Taiwan one your face.poor china.
We missed the public pronouncements that China will bring Tibet in Chinese fold BUT Chinese have not missed public pronouncements by Amit Shah that India will bring back Aksai Chin back to India.
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To tackle CHINA we need HIGH degree of self Reliance and will
China's fear is Modi is at it
XI want to test MODI s resistance and resilience PLUS PEOPLES
MOOD to take on CHINA
The idea of self-reliance is outdated and non-feasible. If anything, it is trade and integration that seems to prevent wars and escalating conflicts (e.g. the EU). I am not saying India should not pursue self-reliance or China-like industrialization. India should but not by chasing "self-reliance" but by becoming "competitive" in some of the sectors where China has a huge advantage. e.g. India is doing pretty well in Iron and Steel but better policies could help it even become much better. These things will take time but India's biggest problem is that they never take shape.
China recently became India's biggest import source. The first time in history. This kind of dialogues sound good in politics not in real life.
@@StarSprangledBanner India exports to China also increased this year.. deficit also reduced this year
India weak and hopeless.... talks so much doing nothing in future. Look at India everyone is suffering.....
Tibetans are an oppressed community in China and we are hosting the Tibetan government in exile in India. Why then is China not included among the countries included in the CAA?
India beat china or china beat India is just an assumption. When it happens there will be nothing left for discussion. The border should be respected, one can't live in past.
Politicians r the biggest hurdle in our development
No my friend that's not completely true, before 2014 even i used to think that way but now i realize tht its we the ppl who are the biggest obstacle in our own growth. Majority of us are so self centred tht we don't see bigger picture, हमे सब मुफ्त चाहिए, हमे चाहिए की हमारी ladai कोई और लडे हमे कुछ नहीं करना...
Rahul Ranjanji, not only politicians but we the citizens as well who cannot focus on real issues but divert our attention from the real task at hand!
Overall a very balanced interview.
Until India changes its strategic thinking on Tibet the menace of China is not going away soon. It is not an easy task but not an impossibility. With right partners, and political conviction it can be achieved.
But time alone will tell.
This channel has lost the credibility, ever since this creature called Gupta has been auctioned for dollar and a half. 😀😁😁
Good insight into the issue from a diplomatic point ! It is for the political leadership of PM Modi to devise a cunning and calculating strategy to deal with China. India needs to engage with China (deeply eventually)because that country has the knowhow and resources to modernize India's pathetic and crumbling infrastructure dating back to British colonial days!! The Europeans and the rest of the west are already engaged with China and the other Asian giants!
The title says it all about India’s self-induced inferiority complex. Why do you need to “stand up” to another nation if you are their equal or superior?
"You might well say that, I cannot possibly comment." Famous quote of Francis Urquhart from House of Cards. The context in which FU frequently used this is to confirm to his source what the source is saying is true.
It looks like without America we are very weak.Tom and jerry.india china.
When your neighbours is being massacred... you just closed door and pretend nothings happened and socialize with murders .... you never thought you could be next: from Tibet, And India relationship, the message is that always help your neighbours when in need to ensure your own safety.
She look like she wait for anything bad about China.
The Middle Way is the core strategy goal of HH Dalai Lama’s and the Tibetan people’s vision for Tibet’s future.
Under the Middle Way, Tibet would remain part of the People’s Republic of China, but Tibetans would have meaningful autonomy.
Second version should b launch
We have heard of people using "Of the 1% by the 1% for the 1%" to describe the current US system. As for India, it has always been so since the beginning of time. Reform is what India has to go through, and reform is near impossible in this country. India is not the USA, the former doesn't have the capital to play geopolitics.
Good interview as always by JM - but felt like the writer was dodging important questions
Agreed. He only told half-truths.
True.Beijing is not equal to us. We don't eat cockroaches, octopus and reptiles.
I think Indian dark history would be open
Pls bring more issues related to defence n ir
Diplomatic inexperience is just an excuse, the real reason is Nehru's desire to be considered as a great statesman, and that has hurt IND, is hurting IND and would continue to hurt IND.
Recognising Tibet as part of CCP, giving up the UNSC seat, taking Kashmir issue to UNSC.......nothing explains this apart from Nehru's desire to be recognised as a statesman.
Unfortunately, such people forget that history celebrates and recognises only and only honesty and nothing else. Every other short cut is just temporary.
Hahahahahaahh, India want to negotiate with China BY USE TIBET....actually is WE WANT TO USE Lac to negotiate India to get more lands.
China wants to be number one in Asia ,so India will have to make policies to deal with it.
NO ,,INDIA NO.1
Tafari ras . India is already no. 1 in patting its govt's back and worshipping it. No criticism allowed. Nothing to improve. We are already there on the top rung!
There was no India as a country in the history, it was assembled by British. It was British-India. The problem with the Indians is that they want to inherit those territories the UK forcefully took from the neighbouring countries.
Any other great insight !
True, India is a civilisation . Indian influence reaches far beyond the borders of British India.
And the so called neighboring countries have always been Indian. You go to Pakistan - these Pakistanis are Indian down to the genetic level!
The same can be said about China too. China was united only briefly in entire history. It always kept losing territories and getting them back later.
Same with USA, China and Russia. Pls stop this baloney.
What china took many decades to achieve, we took only few years.
Great
This kind of so called thinkers are actually blinding the Indians, especially the youth.