As a kid I actually went to a prestigious school but I saw a ton of stuff I wasn’t supposed to at my age (I was 6) and as you know that was the age where most people would be learning to read and write and while I was learning about that stuff too it was 2008 so Obama had just gotten elected as president and I could feel the whole climate of the country changing and then in 2015 after Freddie Gray was killed see you gotta understand I was living literally living next door to the riots so I did have a better understanding of what was happening I remember my parents keeping me and my sister and brothers from going to school and us literally holing ourselves in my room where I kept them entertained the whole day while my parents were downstairs with every knife we had in the house ready to protect us if anyone broke in
Dina's comments about personalizing social justice are provoking. Angie's perspectives on so many of us is very wise. lots to learn here. A great book club book.
My take away confirms my thoughts on some of the police issues; don't let fear rule you and close your heart. Get to know people not in your backyard and let's start some prayer and conversation cells like The Tea, really good book.
And yes her quote where she said "I didn't know a person can be charged in their own murder" where who he may have been justified his being killed vs was his killing justified. Then the fact that the cop did lie about some of the things that happened during the traffic stop to make his case look better
The hate u feed little infants F's everyone...the book touched on this understanding throughout. Even breaking down what it meant, who it came from and showing it throughout the book from riots, the officer wife loss her job, Mr. Lewis getting beat up and even Davante who had to hide from King because not only did he steal from him but he failed to handle his brother's killers. The hate showed through media, family dynamics, and racial stereotypes. Hailey had a subtle hate fed to her through possibly her family what she read and her white privilege F'd her relationship with Starr and her reputation at her school because of the fight. The fight did go viral and although it didn't expand on how far or main stream it was...you can see how her hate F'd her
The authors of Tupac Shakur: The Life and Times of an American Icon and others assert that "Thug Life" it's actually an acronym for "The Hate U Give Little Infants F's Everybody." How true!
Hold on, I still didn't get to discuss the boyfriend. I really loved the innocency and the complexities of their relationship. I was so hurt for Maverick when he met him, but also love that it also was the beginning of a dialogue that needed to be had between him and Carlos.
Maverick felt some sort of way, because Carlos had to play the role of "Father" as far as the first bike ride etc. I was relieved when they settled that in the book, because in all actuality he should have been thanking him. I should have said that as well ..ugh :(
Nigeria Lockley yes I love their innocent relationship too. Now Maverick did feel some type of way already because Uncle Carlos raised star but when he was side swiped by the fact that not only the star have a boyfriend but he was the last to know and that once again Uncle Carlos was a part of something in star's life that he wasn't. The tension between Maverick and Carlos was heavily in the book you can feel their conversation and the jealousy Maverick felt towards Carlos. Carlos place was always a safe haven for Mavericks family and probably somewhat felt like staying in the gardens was a way he could show that he could take care of his family his own way without Carlos input. Glad they came together in the end and had an understanding.
M Rodriguez Nigeria Lockley yes I love their innocent relationship too. Now Maverick did feel some type of way already because Uncle Carlos raised star but when he was side swiped by the fact that not only the star have a boyfriend but he was the last to know and that once again Uncle Carlos was a part of something in star's life that he wasn't. The tension between Maverick and Carlos was heavily in the book you can feel their conversation and the jealousy Maverick felt towards Carlos. Carlos place was always a safe haven for Mavericks family and probably somewhat felt like staying in the gardens was a way he could show that he could take care of his family his own way without Carlos input. Glad they came together in the end and had an understanding.
laydeelee86 yes great analogy, certainly true between the two. I also feel that is why he was against almost all of Carlos's decision. I mean as far as suggestions for Star to testify etc. It was simply because of jealousy.
Nigeria Lockley okay let's spill some of this tea. My overall thought of this book was it was excellently delivered. This book gave you history lessons this book gave insight on what is really going on today and how it not only affects the families involved but the surrounding communities. Star also questioned herself as a black female because she felt she was betraying her race by dating a white male. And also how her father mistaken her choosing a white boy to date as a reflection on what he may have done wrong as a black man. The family Dynamic is so beautiful I love how they chose to have both parents together and support their daughter. Even Lisa had a rough background where she was kicked out the house because she was pregnant with star but she didn't allow her background to be a continuous cycle of abuse and non-support.
Also to touch on the fact that Chris was very privileged and could probably date whoever he wanted to but he chose to date star and her family's Financial background may not have been so great. That also had star questioning her dating Chris. But I love how Chris strived to understand even if it was difficult to or hard to pull exactly what star was feeling out of her. He stuck around and at the end of the day that led to respect from Stars father.
laydeelee86 me to, you couldn't have said it any better. he showed that he felt love, who knows if he felt awkward. but he sucked it up , and supported his girlfriend!
Social justice is cultural. Or shall i say become cultural. Black lives matter, black Panthers even the kkk think they're right but these movements all have common ground of a cultural stance
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As a kid I actually went to a prestigious school but I saw a ton of stuff I wasn’t supposed to at my age (I was 6) and as you know that was the age where most people would be learning to read and write and while I was learning about that stuff too it was 2008 so Obama had just gotten elected as president and I could feel the whole climate of the country changing and then in 2015 after Freddie Gray was killed see you gotta understand I was living literally living next door to the riots so I did have a better understanding of what was happening I remember my parents keeping me and my sister and brothers from going to school and us literally holing ourselves in my room where I kept them entertained the whole day while my parents were downstairs with every knife we had in the house ready to protect us if anyone broke in
I found this discussion thought provoking and will probably watch it again before I discuss with my discussion groups.
Dina's comments about personalizing social justice are provoking. Angie's perspectives on so many of us is very wise. lots to learn here. A great book club book.
I like how Rita breaks down her analogy of the book. She so on point! drop that science all you girls ROCK!!!!
Damon Moment haha, thank you Damon. You are amazing!
Thanks Damon!
My take away confirms my thoughts on some of the police issues; don't let fear rule you and close your heart. Get to know people not in your backyard and let's start some prayer and conversation cells like The Tea, really good book.
Laverne B thank you for your feedback
Hey Laverne, you so right. Don’t let fear rule you. When we do that we respond in ways that are irreparable.
Hey Laverne thanks for watching and so glad you enjoyed the show
And yes her quote where she said "I didn't know a person can be charged in their own murder" where who he may have been justified his being killed vs was his killing justified. Then the fact that the cop did lie about some of the things that happened during the traffic stop to make his case look better
The hate u feed little infants F's everyone...the book touched on this understanding throughout. Even breaking down what it meant, who it came from and showing it throughout the book from riots, the officer wife loss her job, Mr. Lewis getting beat up and even Davante who had to hide from King because not only did he steal from him but he failed to handle his brother's killers. The hate showed through media, family dynamics, and racial stereotypes. Hailey had a subtle hate fed to her through possibly her family what she read and her white privilege F'd her relationship with Starr and her reputation at her school because of the fight. The fight did go viral and although it didn't expand on how far or main stream it was...you can see how her hate F'd her
The authors of Tupac Shakur: The Life and Times of an American Icon and others assert that "Thug Life" it's actually an acronym for "The Hate U Give Little Infants F's Everybody." How true!
Hold on, I still didn't get to discuss the boyfriend. I really loved the innocency and the complexities of their relationship. I was so hurt for Maverick when he met him, but also love that it also was the beginning of a dialogue that needed to be had between him and Carlos.
Maverick felt some sort of way, because Carlos had to play the role of "Father" as far as the first bike ride etc.
I was relieved when they settled that in the book, because in all actuality he should have been thanking him. I should have said that as well ..ugh :(
Nigeria Lockley yes I love their innocent relationship too. Now Maverick did feel some type of way already because Uncle Carlos raised star but when he was side swiped by the fact that not only the star have a boyfriend but he was the last to know and that once again Uncle Carlos was a part of something in star's life that he wasn't. The tension between Maverick and Carlos was heavily in the book you can feel their conversation and the jealousy Maverick felt towards Carlos. Carlos place was always a safe haven for Mavericks family and probably somewhat felt like staying in the gardens was a way he could show that he could take care of his family his own way without Carlos input. Glad they came together in the end and had an understanding.
M Rodriguez Nigeria Lockley yes I love their innocent relationship too. Now Maverick did feel some type of way already because Uncle Carlos raised star but when he was side swiped by the fact that not only the star have a boyfriend but he was the last to know and that once again Uncle Carlos was a part of something in star's life that he wasn't. The tension between Maverick and Carlos was heavily in the book you can feel their conversation and the jealousy Maverick felt towards Carlos. Carlos place was always a safe haven for Mavericks family and probably somewhat felt like staying in the gardens was a way he could show that he could take care of his family his own way without Carlos input. Glad they came together in the end and had an understanding.
laydeelee86 yes great analogy, certainly true between the two. I also feel that is why he was against almost all of Carlos's decision. I mean as far as suggestions for Star to testify etc.
It was simply because of jealousy.
Why haven't I read this?!
Deep!
Powerful "should Social justice be cultural" ??????
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Loved this book
What did you love at the book? Come and spill some tea.
Nigeria Lockley okay let's spill some of this tea. My overall thought of this book was it was excellently delivered. This book gave you history lessons this book gave insight on what is really going on today and how it not only affects the families involved but the surrounding communities. Star also questioned herself as a black female because she felt she was betraying her race by dating a white male. And also how her father mistaken her choosing a white boy to date as a reflection on what he may have done wrong as a black man. The family Dynamic is so beautiful I love how they chose to have both parents together and support their daughter. Even Lisa had a rough background where she was kicked out the house because she was pregnant with star but she didn't allow her background to be a continuous cycle of abuse and non-support.
Also to touch on the fact that Chris was very privileged and could probably date whoever he wanted to but he chose to date star and her family's Financial background may not have been so great. That also had star questioning her dating Chris. But I love how Chris strived to understand even if it was difficult to or hard to pull exactly what star was feeling out of her. He stuck around and at the end of the day that led to respect from Stars father.
laydeelee86 me to, you couldn't have said it any better. he showed that he felt love, who knows if he felt awkward. but he sucked it up , and supported his girlfriend!
Social justice is cultural. Or shall i say become cultural. Black lives matter, black Panthers even the kkk think they're right but these movements all have common ground of a cultural stance
Check this out - it's powerful! th-cam.com/video/4hRM2NmZtR0/w-d-xo.html
The Tea wow that was a powerful video. Amazing
I agree--people usually think they are correct --whatever they think. I'm glad you enjoyed the discussion.