What did they do to Volibear? || Silence for the Damned lore analysis
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Sooooo... Volibear showed up in a short story recently. At least I think it's Volibear. I'm reasonably sure. Did, uh... did Volibear always have twelve eyes and mind control powers? Cause he's got them now. It might be more than twelve eyes.
Oh and also Udyr is Sejuani's dad, so THAT's a thing. Let's discuss! - บันเทิง
I'd totally dig the change into that 12eyed lovecraftian horror of a bear, actually.
say no more
It feels like, at a glance, that they were looking at Volibear and felt he was some weird fusion of Polar Bears and Thor. It just didn't make sense. So for inspiration the writers either looked directly at Native American mythos or read Pet Cemetary. Volibear really feels, at a glance, like it takes strong thematic notes from the Wendigo. The Wendigo is a spirit of death, undeath, and cannibalism, and this new Volibear touches on that realm really nicely in a way that doesn't feel out of place with a more spiritual and naturalistic Freljord.
I remember when my grandparents first told me about the Wendigo. It was a hand-me-down story that my great grandfather first herd from a Native American farmer who didn't live to far from us. When I did my first read through for the story, my mind insistently drift to the story of the Wendigo. I wonder what else they have in store for the Freljord.
"Where savage nature overtakes a human being and turns them into a monster" 13:05 - 13:10 This specific line reminds me of that survival horror game called Until Dawn. Where the wendigo spirit (the main antagonist) possesses the person, if that said person succumbs them self into cannibalism. Then tranforming the victim into a cannibalistic monster who hunts solely for human flesh. Ironic enough is that this mythical creature is usually mentioned in cold climate and northern regions, an icy place just like the freljord.
There's also Finnish mythology, with our holiest of animals being a bear and also having shamanistic beliefs, well before the Swedes crusaded us with Christianity, even still, by sheer word of mouth, those beliefs, spells and traditions passed onto this day, similar to some of the Ancient American mythos, which is why some of the Finnish who migrated into America, lived with the 'indians'. Ya can see it with wooden bear statues as decoration or protection in-front of people's houses or the alternative names given to them, not to spell out their actual name. Hunting them and making a feast afterwards to pass the spirit was important as well. There's also the god of harvest and lightning, Ukko, who was also beliefed to be a thunderbird before. So I'd say more so Finnish, but it also could be native American beliefs, or a mix.
Actually listening to this more, the blood, the chanting, which is common you can see in ancient Finnish spells, sort of a poem that refers to some sort of origin.
Actually I'd say this is based on Bear Worship/Cult tradition that the ancient (Uralic) Finns, Sami, (Asian) Ainu, some of the Korean and also Slavic cultures worship. Partially ancient americans do worship animals, including the bear, but it's not specifically bear. Still, most of those are cultures that rarely get attention as well.
This feels much more Lovecraftian more than anything else
Regarding Udyr being Sejuani's father, we were told that warmothers in the freljord take multiple husbands and when they have children all of them act as dads even though nobody knows who the biological father of every child is, so Udyr seems to be the former partner of Sejuani's mother but who knows if he actually is the biological dad.
A few things:
First off I think the reason volibear is so attractive to shamans in particular is because he silences all the other animals. Imagine hearing all these voices and this dude walks up who can just make them go away in a snap as long as you devote yourself to him. You may be tempted to take that easy way out of your problem.
Second I’m worried they will tie volibear to the void. I really hope they don’t as the void is too often used as is imo, but that’s just my opinion.
Finally I hope one day we get some kind of story with ivern and udyr, since they now have such similar yet different experiences. Just something I think would be neat.
I believe there's a simple solution, similar to how Akali's VGU was managed: The current Volibear is his historic and heroic representation, while the Volibear that's portrayed in this story is the actual character.
As to how to explain his visual design without shoehorning the Void -which personally is the least explored faction and yet the most exploited to the point of being used more as a plot device than an actual faction- is that he's nature's undiluted violence. He's a Freljordian demigod that aligned with the primal Bear spirit, mangling into such a volatile mixture that causes everything else to simply bow and give themselves to him.
He ain't related to the Void as much as possibly being/becoming the planet's response to it with their own eldritch but self-controlled horror. An unyielding, war-forged, tempered warrior that's such a natural threat that eveything else has to stop and surrender to him (which does sound like a good counter-measure against the Void) other than his followers. A warrior with the simple power to spiritually demoralize his foes and both withstand and regenerate his wounds sounds like the perfect warrior.
And personally, considering his brothers are a rune-ridden sedentary blacksmith walrus that secretes lava and belches fire, a giand inmortal bird made of ice that keeps an entire region covered in eternal winter, and a seal that can manipulate the ocean's currents and everything beneath, I'd say an armored, self-regenerating and multi-eyed horned bear that belches thunder, transforms people into man-bears, and spiritually demoralizes people around him doesn't sound as different, just more graphic.
I truly missed the League of Legends videos, I'm happy they're back! Keep it up, Skyen!
Volibear sounds like a creepypasta monster. Having him and Orn side by side is going to make for an interesting comparison
I enjoy the complicated feelings that the individual characters have in the new League of Legends lore; this new Udyr story really makes me appreciate the character more. If only his in-game character model and voice lines reflected that complicated characterization in the lore
Ornn : God of Earth , Forge and Fire
Anivia: Goddess of Wind , Ice and Travel
Seal sister : Goddess of Water , Sea and Voyages
Volibear : God of Storm , War and Rivers( he drank too much , peed and made first river )
For real? He peed?
@@AntlerHit A line Ornn says hints at it.
Here’s to the seal sister becoming a champion,,,,
There's a new one. Iron Boar
@@AntlerHitactualy he killed a huge snake
I don't nececearly see this version of Voli as a completely diff character. I see this version of voli as the dark side that is rarely seen. So I don't want a reworked voli that is just a zombie-bear or whatever, but it wuld be interesting to keep that as an element. Like when Voli os low on health his passive triggers and he gains his hp back rapidly. I'd imagine that his visuals culd change when he's low on health, that he looks torn and nasty and his "mortality is shown". And when the passive hits he goes back to his fresh state "the god can't die". Just a thought but who knows what Riot has in mind. I still love Voli perfectly the way he is even if he's just a "boring" thunder-bear demigod. But yeah still an interesting take that gave me some interesting visuals and inspiration.
I remember when I originally read this story and it nearly melted my mind with how it ended.I sure hope that Volibear will end up somewhat like this and I can't wait
Loved the video! Also, glad to be able to restore my prior Patreon status. But I must say, I'm a little disappointed you only glossed over how absolutely badass lore Udyr is now. I got freaking chills reading about him giving the Volibear the biggest middle finger by changing into the form of the Great Ram. Still, awesome stuff. Keep it up!
Well i have a theory that they gonna change that the old volibear is what he used to be in the past where he battle the void or something then got corrupted and turn into this horrible abomination we got now. It make sense that a demigod led a tribe of warmonger to fight against the void then got corrupted in turn. It would be the most direct and easiest way to have both version of volibear make sense.
Would also fall in line with the other demigods, Ascended of Shurima, turning into the Darkin because of battling the void
@@gustavohurlimann9418 Yeah an seeing how the Darkin just had a big lore update as well as hint about big update for all the Void champ i expect some big war event happen soon. I remember that Noxus vs Ionia was an event determined by the player through a bunch of tournament. Hopefully they gonna do the same with Void vs everyone else.
I need this Volibear. It is way more interesting and just straight up cooler than a "thunder polar bear" that he is now.
Here is my prediction for his new title "Volibear the spirit of Chernobyl"
I haven't played League in years, but I super appreciate your analyses of these short stories!
I've often read those you've praised & I therefore really enjoyed Silence for the Damned; so I just wanted to say thanks :)
I mean, they hinted at this with the Ornn story, because that story was pure Volibear hype, too.
I love the ending part where Udyr switched (The spirit above him when he shift stances) from the bear to the Great Ram
When I read this I got so excited for whatever they have planned for Volibear. Makes you wonder if Anivia will evolve in any way? 🤔 Not to mention possible changes for Udyr in the future.
Udyr is one of the few remaining 'Yorick' characters that Riot has just kind of been ignoring (Mordekaiser might be the only other). It's been really _strange_ too because they even made *Spirit Guard Udyr* which felt like they were attempting a rework internally, couldn't settle on things, scrapped the changes and sold it to players as a skin.
These resent stories have me mildly hopeful that we'll be seeing some changes for these characters. Volibear isn't one that would have jumped to the front of my mind, but he too is from when _League_ was quite a bit more incoherent. Such changes to the likes of Volibear might even bring in a place to try and make characters like Fiddlesticks or Nocturne fit better.
For Volibear's physical appearance, I imagine it's dependent the perspective you approach him from. Notice that all the horrifying descriptions of the Volibear are the scenes with Udyr's point-of-view. Udyr lost his former student to the demigod and therefore sees it as an all-consuming horror that he can hardly bear looking at. Sejuani probably saw a Volibear closer to the the League of Legends version, a mighty warrior who embodies Freljord's rage and pride. I think each perspective is just one aspect of a mighty being that defies mortal comprehension. The only ones who can truly see Volibear in his entirety are his fellow demigods.
As someone who has never played League of Legends but got into the lore with Legends of Runeterra... I *love* this story. It's fantastic and all 3 of the champions in it (Udyr, Sejuani, and Volibear) are well-characterized in their own ways. Udyr is the hero conflicted by his role as both a father and a servant, Sejuani's ambition and strong familial relationships drive the story, and Volibear is a titan that inspires awe, horror, and curiosity.
Hold up, you are telling me, there is a parent of a champion in League of Legends who not only its alive but an active part of the story and its not a comeplete misery guts.
Where were these people when they were writting about Kaisa for *The Volibear* sake. was her lore written by the C team or somehting.
Her lore was written in a used and dubiously moist blanket in a bathroom after a hangover from a guy way obssesed with Terminator that thirsted too hard for a girl that rejected him so idealized her to kingdom come so that he could feel a controlled notion of mutual affection that has escaped him for years but is oblivious that its happening because lacks the social skills to even maintain proper visual contact with a women so conforms to his fantasized and sexuallized idealization... also aliens, because aliens justify sexuallization, just because.
During the video I tried to press like button like four times, not because it didn't work, but because the video is so good with that ending and all
Great video I love where they are taking the game and you are showing it from a great side.
I think this is linked with the history of ornn.Could be in that moment Ornn was so pissed that he riped volibear apart and forced him to seek strenght again for some kind of ancient magic or the void.Or the real form of the demi gods of runeterra is abstract and they choose a form to speak with humans and when they are riped apart they turn back to what they were in the beggining.Or the history of ornns is just a legend but the batlle is real and the old volibear was ripped apart and volibear became more insane and tries to consume to be whole again.
I been waiting for this video so much thank you!
Also volibear went to war, if he went to war with the void then he probably got messed up by it
In Necrit's video, he theorized that The Volibear is actually a void corrupted Volibear much like the corrupted darkin who was corrupted after Lissandra opened a portal to the void which soon was frozen. The defeaning silence that The Volibear could create was very similar to how the void want a nothingness .
This is some crazy development for the Frejord lore. I agree that this kind of change for Volibear would be very welcome but how does it translate to the game? Would he change at all? Visual/VO update?
What about Volibear being the brother of Ornn? Isnt Ornn a demi god from a time before man? How can they be brothers then?
If Riot is going for an authentic mythology feel, that sort of contradiction would work. But both are supposed to be concrete characters in a world which "feels" like post-Tolkien fantasy, where its people are well-defined and internally-consistent (or as close as the author can manage), so yeah, that's weird.
6:17 "BEAR"-ly, you say?😃
I think udyr isnt her dad but a oathsworn, they protect the warmother and their children as we see in Ashe: Warmother
Yay! Thanks for getting to this one!
I was thinking that The Volibear is the radical, outgoing Ursine went overboard while the real Volibear resides in the utterly xenophobic, purist Ursine that most of the Freljord doesn't know.
But who knows? The Civil War "Ursine" seems quite possible if Riot seems to want save the old Volibear along with The Volibear. Making Volibear a demigod with a duality, the Volibear who made the rivers and the seas, the Eye of the Storm and The Volibear, the eldritch horror, The Thousand-Pierced Bear.
I love these videos but honestly the only thing that has me coming back every time is hearing what happens to those poor souls that press the dislike button.
I like cannibalism and bears I'm on board
Hmm
I think I like Eldritch Volibear!
Duuuude this sounds AWESOME!!!
I do not think that Voli isnt being changed in contrast. I think that it is more of an evolution. What corrupts in Leagues universe? The Void. My theory is that Voli is effectively a fallen Demigod. What Anivia or Ornn could be if they gazed into the eyes of the Void, and were taken in by it.
It doesnt say the thing is volibear, it calls it the avatar, it says in the story it is the avatar of volibear, you even read it aloud.
Well, Volibear being some kind of lovecraftian terror while being a demigod can be possible. I feel like a demigod like Ornn could turn into a twisted, unnatural eldritch horror if something terrible happens to them. And there is something that could do that, the other eldritch terror in The Freljord, The Watchers. I think that Volibear, ages before Lissandra, could confronted The Watcher, and that confrontation could've plant a seed on corruption on his mind. A corruption so powerful that not only made him fight his brother, but also twist his mind, his power and his very nature. Similar to what happened to Renekton, but in a more unnatural way, of course.
Little problem with that: Chronologically, the Watcher's first contact as per their retcon last year was with the Three Sisters, and physically manifested for the first time in the Howling Abyss to halt the Insurrection of the Three Sisters after the three wanted independence from the Watchers.
In your defense though, that same retcon also made the Great Void War (Mt. Targon & Valoran vs. The Void) the biggest plot hole in the lore now, so take with a pinch of salt.
No more silence for the damned lore analyses, they're back!
I couldn't tell if it was a story about the Freljord or an episode of American Horror Story.
Udyr and Seraphine would be friends? They have so much in common now a days.
Imagine Seraphine giving Udyr a make over and a clean up? Would be cute he ended up looking like the LadyBeard and secretly liking
So, for anyone who plays magic, I feel like Udyr would be gruul/green aligned, Ashe would be Selesnya aligned, Sejuani would probably also be gruul, but I can also see her as Naya, Volibear would be Rakdos, but Anivia and Ornn are 2 that I am having a hard time placing. Ornn, even if he has a lot of fire based powers because of his forge, I believe he would be more mono-white aligned than anything, and if you want to put him in a red-alignment I don't think he would be boros, and would most likely be jeskai to subdue any red impulsivity. Anivia I kinda see her as blue because of the whole frost thing, but she is kinda green or white given how she is portrayed in Nunu's lore, but I can't quite place her.
I love that futurama reference
Woah glad ritos doing some eldritch shit
It's here bois
do you like necrits theory that the volibear is volibear is corrupted by the void
I'm pretty sure volibear is now corrupted with the void. Silencing people's minds and killing things to regenerate himself? Thats void sounding to me
Skye can you talk about the female design drama happening in mortal Kombat fandom
I feel like " The Volibear" is a title rather than a name. Any person, entity, or creature can put the mantle of "The Volibear" upon them and take on that role for better or worse depending on the vessel that chooses to take that on. Volibear, the champion, is a being that did that for his reasons and the creature in the story did it for their own reasons. Just because they refer to it as "The Volibear" rather than just Volibear as the name of someone. Imo.
"I'm gonna do as bare-" BEAR BONES SUMMARY???
I know there's a video happening after the song, but holy crap is that Magic the Gathering in the background?
Not quite, no, it's all League of Legends music :)
I wasn't 100% onboard with the whole "Udyr being Sejuani's actual, literal father"-theory first, but come to think of it: Didn't Sejuani's mother leave the Winter's Claw to look for "her first love" or something along those lines? Couple that with the bit about Udyr having an "encounter" with an iceborn from the Winter's Claw and you may actually have yourself the makings of a pretty substantial theory! Papa bear ftw!
So, Skyen. Ive noticed that there is a lack of an Aurelion sol what the deal, now I’m not demanding but my one trick deserves justice and especially yours.(If I’m wrong feel free to tel me I’m an idiot).
League and darkest dungeon 2 have a colab Poggers.
I kinda thought that the demigod volibear is like the one we have now, but he was somehow corrupted by the void when the watchers were trying to come through the howling abyss. Could explain why he's so gross lookin. Though this whole "bear spirit" thing doesn't really fit anywhere in this theory, so maybe not.
So Volibear is a wendigo now??
Also definitely recommend reading 'The Wendigo' by Algernon Blackwood
great work
We need more Ornn
3:50: So, are the Ursine Volibear's mortal congregation or his choir of angels? (Demons?)
6:40: Volibear gives off an aura of overwhelming, obscured, unearthly power, cloaked in natural motifs, like if a Lovecraftian horror decided to dress up for Earth Day...
8:30: ...but this Volibear obviously isn't. It reminds me of how mythological characters get reinterpreted over the generations as new worldviews and spiritual paradigms roll in that old gods and heroes need to adapt to even though they don't quite fit...except that it's all taking place within a few years.
15:20: I might be missing some context (I don't usually look into LoL lore beyond Skyen's videos), but I'm gathering a firm "paternal figure" vibe without getting any specific "bio-dad" vibes. No "not bio-dad" vibes, either, which is part of why I'm saying "I might be missing context".
one word: rework
well, it could be interpreted either that udyr will be LIKE a father for her or he actually is her dad, i dunno^^
Also, why are your endings the best?
Zilean has an ingame interaction with volibear. I wonder how this could affect their dynamic
Neo the Loof it probably won’t. It will either be removed or considered not cannon
3:20 the celestials (soraka) are closer
any theories of what happened at 26:15? T B 2.0 ok?
"Bear-ly"
After reading the story in Spanish it is much clearer that udyr is not the father of sejuani, but that he is a father figure that will protect heras if he were her father
Maybe this isnt voli bear or it is another volibear hopefully
I reacted the same (title) when I read this story for the 1st time... Strange design to be honest
All I hear is "LOOK AT US, WE SO DARK AND EDGY! EDGY WE SAY! NOTHING HAPPY OR FUN! EDGY!"
And that's why I left LoL completely...
Considering recent champions, themes, and the fuckin' Dog vs Cats event, I think you selectively listen to what they do if that's all you hear.
That's not why I left.... Well, perhaps the "Nothing Happy or Fun" part.
Riot focused too much on turning the game into a job. Maybe they thought it would encourage more people to play, but not me.
Or they thought that a random lightning bear didn't fit in the Freljord as it is and a powerful natural spirit like a Wendigo fit a lot better
@@felixrivera895 Nothing fits the Freljord, since the Freljord was completely retconned twice. This isn't "slight change to better fit standing lore" this is (just like with Trundle) "we don't like this area... rip up some characters so we can contrive an event to make it fit". If you have so little regard for your own witting, sorry, you suck.
@@demsterclippy4252 If that was enough to get me to leave, it might just be enough. The thing it: All those "fun" skins are just that: skins. They aren't the heart of the lore and design. The characters are. And they aren't fun in the way they used to be. Kinda like TB explained how the game lost it's ugliness, it also lost it's self-awareness. Example: Veigar was basically a huge parody of the EVIL WIZARD MAStERMIND. Now they have like 5 of them and Veigar has some tortured past to make him "serious".
Most original characters were spins on tropes. Now they just are tropes.
Why, would do that to voli bear.. The bear is supposed to be a nobel bear...
I love it every time you talk about that reality bending, cursed and untouchable dislike button
Who's watching after the rework of Volibear?
New legendery skins?
I would literally throw volibear into the garbage if that story ends up being canon. It's literally just an eldritch monster. He sounds more like a void monster trying to wear flesh which would be cool, but not at all for volibear. Volibear honestly should just get Aatrox's old character in that he's a war god who charges into battles he has no part in because he lives for it and people praise him hoping he'll come to their battle on their side.
Gotta catch me hat GoT hypetrain
I'm like 99% sure that Udyr is not Sejuani's father. He is/was the shaman of her tribe and has been her mentor for a long time. He feels fatherly responsibility for her and swore to protect her, but I don't think that the is her actual father.
YEAH
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Thanks.
Isn't ornn and volibear brothers and anivia there sister.
Yes. Imagine their parents
@@henryrichardson2868 their parents are like the planet itself
Honestly I don't think this Volibear works all that well with his elemental demigod siblings. Though for all we know this could be Volibear WAY down the line.
That clickbait tho
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T B Skyen usually you have a title thats just plain and like “whats the deal with” so on so forth, but you got really excited about this one, it made me click immediately. It was like “FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT” which is not what you usually do 🤔. Just the first thing that came to mind...no hate ✌🏻been watching for a real long time
That comment bait tho.
Maybe volibear just controls the disgusting thing in the story, volibear itself does not look like that.
I am not a fan of this Volibear lore. As a Volibear main (yes those players exist) I don't want my armored bear turning into an eldritch horror.
I prefer to call it Eldtrich Horror rather than lovecraftian. Guy was horrible and I'd rather he be forgotten altogether.
Lovecraft was afraid of math, black people, fish, and air conditioning. He is far from the expert on fear.
Eldritch Horror is a better way to put it
Isnt "eldritch horror" inspired by Lovecraft's work?
@@AdrasAdraki technically yes, but you can disassociate him.
First like and comment, yas!