Few quick remarks about the 821 since I own a 2017 since new. After the first service, gear box will be much much better shifting, I had severe issues finding neutral on every new Ducati I rode. 2017 doesn't have TFT screen, but it has the old exhaust pipe and few more ponies and a wonderful booming L Twin noise. Handle bar is black on the standard bike.... Controls are also different so you don't hit the "mode" button. Tank is different shape as is the seat. This Duc has a timing belt which is serviced every 20k miles, this is why it has those black covers - because it's designed for service! You can get some killer carbon fiber covers for all the dark pieces and they are not even all that expensive. 2015-2017 is a better buy, only thing that you are giving up is the quick shifter which isn't available even as an accessory, gear indicator... I personally went with a Healtec shift indicator and quick shifter and never looked back. Most motorcycles aren't designed with everyone in mind. For me S1000R was horrible as far as comfort goes. RnineT had sloppy handling. I already have a sport touring in line 4 BMW as well so I wasn't looking for a "GS-jack of all trades" 2nd bike. Monster is wonderful bike with a soul, something that many new bikes are missing.
@@AndyManCam it should have been updated at least for 2020. It's basically the same bike since 2015 except for being actually a worse bike, due to emissions. For example Mulitstrada 950 engine would fit the bill quite nicely. Supposedly it's much smoother if you care for that sort of thing. Twins just have more character, if you want smoother engine with less character get a inline 3 or 4. Life is too short to just ride one bike... Have a few ;)
Buy it! You won’t regret it. I had a 2007 fz1s sold it and I bought a 2015 monster 821 in arctic white. Absolutely love it, you can seriously chuck the bike around the bends. I am 125kg and 6ft3 and the front forks handle just fine with me and the mrs 60kg. All I did is adjust the rear shock at about 80 percent capacity.
I'm not so sure. I think that, for me, there are better options out there. Turns out that I'm obviously getting old because I'm much happier on a more refined machine! Character was for my younger self!
If you want to hear proper sound, you need to listen to my 2015 Monster 821 (Euro 3) stock exhaust. Bought my one in April 2016 and added more than 55.000km to it since then.
My 2017 sounds glorious and pops/bangs on overrun... My friends asked me many times if I modified the exhaust. 15-17 have more power as well... Ducati needs to update this bike with a 950
I just don’t really feel drawn towards parallel twins anymore. Plus the retro style is cool, but i still want a little bit of sporty excitement in there too.
Very nice ride impression, AMC. I ride an older twin myself (TRX850 - Never had a false neutral) and it's nice to hear somebody vocalising the differences, niceties and idiosyncracies of the twin configuration engines. Gotta love that low-down torque. 😎 Having never ridden a Ducati myself it's nice to hear your opinion. Thanks for posting! 👍 🏍
I've got 821 stealth and it is awesome. Ignore the reviewer on this vid he obviously passed his test a year ago. The 821 is aggressive, handles great and is either a great blast or chilled tootle about and you look great on it either way. I've had loads of sportsbike but the 821 i love the most.
I don't know man... Since I went over 40 it's like all the years of abusing various parts of the body finally came to bite me. Even the Versys was to cramped and I am 6'3". So I went with the GS... Out with the character, in with the sweet comfort! :D And I must say it's a very good all rounder, and also has that boxer punch. All it took was one short test ride, and I was hooked. Nice and honest review Andy, cheers!
My pleasure Marko. I know what you mean. I thought i wanted an exciting, edgy exotic. But i had a go on a Honda CB1000R yesterday and loved it! So refined!
Just did a quick check on a price for this Monster 821, new in Germany. That's a bit steep for a pint of character and two hard boiled eggs, my word...
I totally agree! Hopefully I'll get a chance at a long term test in the UK some timew soon. But for me personally, sadly too expensive and horribly pricey to insure over here.
@@AndyManCam That's very unfortunate to hear mate. Still if you ever get the chance just take it for a spin to treat yourself. Keep up the brilliant content. Regards from Melbourne 👍
Good to know. It's always crazy how you tell yourself that there is plenty of power, and then just weeks later you've gotten used to it and you need MORE!!
I know this sounds a bit far fetched, but hear me out: Honda Africa Twin. The engine is fantastic, the fueling is fantastic and the seating position is fantastic. It's even got cruise control (at least the 2020 model). Now, I own a Street Triple R 675 and an Aprilia Caponord 1200, and the only issue that kept me from getting the AT instead of the Caponord was the missing cruise control on previous AT models. I did ride the Africa Twin twice for 3-4 days and it's just a great bike to travel and have fun with.
@@AndyManCam Yeah, that was also my first impression. But boy does that thing handle beautifully once you are on the go. If you did not ride it yet, just DO EET.
My wife’s got a 800 Scrambler full throttle, and it does not like going slow, proper fun when on the move though, and it also has sooo much heat coming off it, we can roast marshmallows at traffic lights, I never pull up along side her in case the plastic melts on mi Street Scrambler. It’s character apparently.. Got say though it is enormous fun bike. 👍
I have a soft spot for Ducati bikes, have owned three of them over the years, the first was an early M750 Monster which was lovely, not very fast though.
Hey Andy, My local dealer had deals on this model and I was tempted. Wasn’t able to test ride at the time and then the virus hit and you know the rest. I’m glad I didn’t go any further with it. At times it sounded like it was struggling at revs, reminiscent of shaking a can full of nuts and bolts. The indicator going into the riding modes at will would drive me insane too. Thanks for the video, you’ve given me a valuable insight 👍🎥. Cheers.
Andy, You’re definitely off their list...that’s for sure 😂🤣. Anyway, it’s obvious that you need (emphasis on “need”) the latest KTM 1290 Super Duke R...The Beast. It’s more than capable to handle all of your needs (emphasis on “needs”😂🤣) 👍
Really miss my monster 821. Don’t know if it’s the newer Euro regs (mine was euro3 2016) but it sounded immense with a termi pipe (I even had the homologated version!).
@@AndyManCam Yes, I rode 2016 model Euro3 and it sounded just awesome with OEM exhasut. Now I bought 2020 model and the Euro system REALLY killed the sound. It has almost no sound. Termignoni is needed to have some fun.
NIce one. I had the 2015 version. It was awesome out of town, not in the ring though due to the wind. Up to 100 km/h its not a real problem. In town, ok but not enjoyable.I n traffic...hot. After upgrading the exhaust (termis +upmap+servo buddy) it became even better and admittedly it also improved in-town, especially after i installed the servo buddy. Better suspension would be nice indeed.
I personally never had regrets of owning that bike, but everyone is different. Also it depends on how far from perfect this one felt for you. Maybe try also the 1200s for good measure :)
Great review, Andy :) I love my Ducati Scrambler 1100. I guess it produces even more heat, given that it's air-cooled and has under-seat exhaust pipes. But honestly so far it hasn't bothered me. That said, I only have it since February, didn't have much opportunity to get roasted in traffic at >25°C yet. The sound on this 2020 Monster 821 really sounded quite thin. Bikes don't have to be loud, but there needs to be some low frequency rumble, especially for twin cyl. engines bikes, IMO.
Thanks Patrick. I loved the Scrambler in the Alps, so much fun. I don't think that this is 'my' engine though. Totally agree on the rumble though. It just wasn't there. No growl.
Owning the 821 since 2017, I can say that I love the bike. Light, agile, beautiful. Simply Monster (red of course). The riding modes are easy to use. You just needed 2 minutes before starting the ride to get to know how to avoid getting into the mode display all the time. You were not patient enough. I am using it almost every day. It's a bit hot if you use it only in a city. The not adjustable fork doesn't annoy me at all. I have as an option the quick shifter which I don't use very often. Sorry it's like this. The small wind screen in option does the job really well. Of course it's not a tourer for the Autobahn. But at 140km/h it's still very ok. ✌️😎🙋♂️
It's easy to live with, that's why it's my 4th Ducati 😁 (Monster 1100, Streetfighter 848, Monster 1200S and since 2017, the 821 😀). As for everything, it's always so subjective 😆🤣...
I'm also 6ft 4 and used to have an fzs1000, which was great but lacking character, I changed to a 2007 speed triple which just ticks all the boxes for me, comfortable, full of character, technically slower than the Fazer but lots of low down torque so feels quicker in most situations, plus for me at least it has the look back at it as you walk away factor I never had with the Yamaha. You should try one of you never have, though my model might be a bit too old for your requirements.
Yeah, slower doesn't necessarily mean less fun! Most of the power in the FZ1, I never get even close to using. Was good to see how much it had on the track though. Keeping up with the 1290 Dukes was no problem! I think 'character' is something for a younger man. I need something that doesn't make my old limbs go to sleep!! 😂
If you're planing on a new bike, why not the MT-09, or even the Tracer, considering that you go long-trips and the aerodynamic protecion would help you a bit?
I do like the look of them, but the snatchy throttles across the board with Yamaha just puts me off. Plus the Internet is saturated with folks riding them. I want to be a little different! 😜
Reading some comments below about everyone advising you something else to ride, I'll add one too haha! Husqvarna svartpilen 701. Just go and check them out. Couple of months ago I sold my Versys 650 and got a Husqvarna svartpilen 401. Yes a 401. That lightweight little thing has some serious poke! So much fun to ride too! If you're near the city of Zwolle again anytime soon you can have a go on it👌Even the whole day if you like haha! Cheers!
Awesome! Congrats! Funky enough, i saw a 701 in the street yesterday for the first time, and thought it looked pretty cool. Stupid husqvarna Garage sold their demo bike before i could have a test ride though!
@@AndyManCam Thank you! They look pretty good, don't they?! KTM dealerships are petty rare herein the Netherlands, and Husky's are only sold at KTM dealerships. Is that the same in Germany?
Good review. As for the riding modes, is not their fault if you keep pushing the button...lol... I’ve been riding a 821 for the last 4 years, daily. In highway and in town. Is the perfect bike in terms of comfort, performance, flexibility, and equipment for the money.
Thanks! As a designer in a past life, i have to disagree. It’s ENTIRELY their fault that i kept pushing the mode button as they had gotten their semiotics wrong and either put it in wrong place, or programmed the behavior of the interface wrong. As shown by the fact that on the Hypermotard, you have to hold the button down for a second to go into the menu. This behavior should be programmed in across the range. But as you know (and the same with the indicator/horn Lay-out on Hondas) it’s something that you get used to when it’s your bike!
AndyManCam fair enough. I assume though that not all riders face this problem. E.g. I’ve been riding the 821 for 4 yrs and I’m ok with it... have you heard complaints from others also?
I can only speak from my own experience. Overall i find it odd that two bikes from the same brand, have two completely different ways of accessing the menus. And even more odd that the action of canceling the indicators and accessing the menus, would have the exact same action as each other on the 821. Sure you can get used to it and be ok with it. Doesn’t stop it being strange.
There are a ton of bikes I would take over another Monster. Stepping off an FZ1n onto this was never really going to go well. Personally I wouldnt have either.
the new euro type approval mean the bikes run mega hot to burn fuel more efficiently, so many of them are mobile nut roasters! my 2019 ktm superduke gt is a serious chestnut warmer!
Rather surprised that you’re thinking of going for the 821 and not the 1200 or 1200s. The 821 might be a bit weedy for long distance touring like you normally do don’t you think? I’m 6ft 2 and found the leg room rather tight on the 1200s. For your 6ft4 frame it must be hell. I eventually went for a used KTM 1290 SDR and found that perfect for my me. The power though was nuts. I’ve also previously owned a yamaha XSR900, and that i must say was one of the most comfortable bikes i ever owned. Particularly for the legs. Happy bike hunting. PS. The XSR900 doesn’t cook the nether regions PPS. I’d all but given up hope you’d keep doing bike reviews. Glad to see you’ve started again...
AndyManCam good point. Then I’d recommend taking a look at the XSR, it’s got all the benefits of the MT-09, with a lot fewer downsides. Goes pretty well, costs a lot less upfront with lower insurance. Which allows upgrades (akra exhausts and ohlins suspension for those of a heavier persuasion like me). Only snag might be the styling (retro-ish) is not to everyone’s tastes. Like I said, enjoy the hunt for a new bike... it’s half the fun of owning one 😀
Hey, nice review! I personally own this very bike and I actually find it to be an awful lot of fun. The fact that the bike is rough like it is in my mind only adds to the character of the bike, which many present bikes lack. I find your opinions on the bike to be very precise and on point for someone, who has just stepped off of an inline four Yamaha 🙂 It is certainly a shock when you first step off something so refined and smooth and.then swing your leg over something so rough 😅 Eitherway the heat and the general rough side of the bike are Ducati’s signature features for better or worse some people like myself love it, some people can’t stand it and there is very hardly anything in between 😏 As for the noise, it is far from the scream of an inline four with the stock can, however that can easily be fixed with a nice aftermarket exhaust (the unfortunate aftermath of EU regulations) 😄 Ducati’s are certainly not for everyone... The V-Twin engines especially are for many people a pain in the ass to cope with let alone live with it is nothing to worry about though! I’d suggest trying one of their new V4 bikes... That engine is a lot smoother and also might offer some more over all excitement for you especially when coming from something like an FZ1 🙂 The Streetfighter V4 is an amazing bike and is definitely worth a test ride, however there are plenty other fish in the sea that could suit your preferences and needs much better than any bike from the Ducati line-up! With that being said I wish you all the best and lots of fun on your hunt for a new bike, if possible do keep us posted with what bike you eventually end up choosing 😉
About that OCDing with your controls; I recognise that. Going all day checking the choke, high beam and indicator switches in a pattern. Don't want to be that guy with his indicator on for half an hour.
Machines tend to get smarter and smarter. Reminds me of my girlfriends grandfather who got the scare of his life because his Citroen decided it was time to close the windows (with his hand on the outside) because the rainsensor caught 1 droplet..
Thanks for the honest review. You covered all the bases however you knocked it out of my top 5 picks. If I’m going to spend that kind of money, it’s got to be right.
always.... ALWAYS leave the specs like in this video. Perfect! I don't need that boring stuff. Real experience beats it every time. Lot of press can learn from you. :) Well done!
Riding since 40 years, I am proud to have never owned a bike with rider modes. That was the exact reason I bought a 2015 Z1000. Even in rain all I needed to do is activate my internal power sensor settings located between my ears.......... (It's call a brain, and it is and ever will be your best rider assistance ) And as a bonus there's an undeniable fact, what isn't on the bike you can't break. Just my two cents....... Safe rides 👍🏍
Up until recently, I've never been impressed with rider modes. The MT-10 was just too much and too complicated. But I had a go on the CB1000R the other day and it was actually a very enjoyable experience. For once, the 'Standard' mode was almost perfect!
I agree. All of my bikes have rider modes.... I call it my wrist to brain technology. It just seems like even if you don’t keep flicking modes by accident, that it’s just more faffing around with yet another thing. Maybe I’m old fashioned. I’m okay with that. I’m sure there are many riders who love tinkering with rider modes and twiddling with knobs until they’re finally ready to ride through a puddle. Yes, I’m being condescending and sarcastic.
Thank you Andy for your very detailed and honest review. I am coming out of my A2 licence in a couple of months and have been riding a CB500X for the last 2 years. Right now as my 1st big bike I am hesitating between the Ducati 821 Monster and the Honda CB1000R. I have seen your latest vids about the CB. What made you buy it? What do you think would fit me as a 1st big bike keeping in mind that the bike will be used for nice gentle 1h or so rides, I am not a racer... I am leaning toward the Honda right now but am really undecided yet. Thanks again, I really like your work!
My pleasure Tomy. Happy to help. The beauty of the CB is that you can ride it gentle and relaxed. The fuelling is so smooth that you don’t need to wring it’s neck to feel like it’s enjoyable. I’m fact I’d say that my riding has become much smoother since getting it. Also the restricted power modes are very unobtrusive and well implemented.
Andy it’s starting to sound like the FZ1’s days are seriously numbered!?!? I let my mate (who owns a 2018 GSXS-1000) ride my 06’ (which has the 08’ ECU fitted) at the weekend. When he got off his comments were that he couldn’t believe how smooth and easy to ride the bike was. Please please please try an ECU flash (or alternate ECU) before you trade her in. I’m surprised you’ve lasted as long as you have with that 06’ ECU. I’m almost at 80,000 miles now and can’t find a better bike!
I think every bikers current ride is balancing on the razors edge of opportunity! ECU flashing just sadly isn't a very viable option here in Germany as we have to also pass the emissions tests every year. Altering the emissions (for the worse) is highly illegal over here. 😖 So sadly that inherent snatchiness is the single Achilles heel of a great bike, that could eventually drive me into the arms of another! What is the equation? When N = the number of bikes you have, then the number of bikes you need = N+1.
What’s your thoughts on the z900? Would love for you to do a review or even better z900 vs z1000 no one has done a video on it and only visordown have done a review on the z9 really
I think they look like a good option on paper. Not overly in love with the styling or the color schemes though. Apparently the Motor is a peach but the fueling a little jerky. Maybe i can have a go on one sometime.
Good suggestion, I ride a Z800, my wife rides a Z900. The Z900 is lighter (trellis frame), but my Z800 seems zippier. Also the Ninja1000 would be a good contender for AMC.
AndyManCam cheers for the comment, would definately be interesting if you got to test one, I ride an mt09 and I must say yamahas throttle response on that leaves much to be desired, it’s strange handling too! You can ride it quick but it doesn’t feel settled in the corners! Looking for something more suited to the twisties that won’t break me on a journey.... oh let’s not forget the bank either 🤣 good luck hunting for your new ride!
The second hand market is flooded with Ducatis, and Monsters in particular. The character, reliability and finish wears thin after a while. Fine as one bike in a stable of bikes but probably not as a single bike and putting milage on it. Glad I'm not the only one that keeps checking the indicators are off.
@@AndyManCam An overlooked bike that's comparable to your Yamaha, but updated, is the Suzuki GSX-S 1000. Around 140bhp, bullet proof engine (K5 I think) with lots of after market add-ons should you wish. I would also suggest the 2017 Z900 but I think your giraffe like frame may find it a bit cramped. 😁
I nearly bought an 821 but bought a scrambler instead 'cos I wanted the noise and rumble; wanted to know I'd been for a ride and not just carried along. Unless you must have new and/or abs (no bad thing at all) there could bikes to maybe consider around the same age as the FZ1n which provide the v-twin torque you might like and fit your size/shape. Suzuki SV1000, smooth reliable, wants cans, suspension and brake upgrades, but will still be very cheap and hugely capable. Honda VTR1000 Firestorm, front end's a bit soft, uses fuel if you use the performance. Actually most bikes of that age will benefit from a suspension refresh so its not a criticism really, just a factor of age and use (like all of us). I could go on (bit boring). What fun the search is, have lots of it. T
I can understand that. The monster's sound was a bit reedy and unsatisfying. I think if I were to 'invest' in something other than the FZ1, I'd want to get a little bit of current tech and allure along with it! Otherwise, from it's era, the FZ1 is already a powerhouse!
Ducati do make a good looking bike. Have you considered trying a Yamaha XSR900? I've owned one from new (2016) and love it. Sounds brilliant with the Leo Vince Dual exhaust fitted. It's been remapped for a much smoother throttle response. Good review by the way, cheers.
That they do. I like the look of most of the XSR. But not keen on the lights or the dash. I’m not keen on having to Remap a new bike after shelling out a wedge!
@@AndyManCam I found the MT-10 & the new Tenere 700 have the same problem. Maybe not as bad as the Triples I've ridden, but it is there none the less. Maybe it's Yamaha way of injecting character into their bikes🤔
Hi, I am thinking about buying a motorcycle, I did not drive 5 years, I am interested in the ducati monster 821 or 1200 s, before that I rode the ktm duke 690, triumph street triple r, I like the 1200s more but I do not know if it is too strong, I live in NY and I need a motorcycle to travel to work
ive ridden the 1200s and shes a beast, much bettter to get the smaller engine for commuting and possibly more fun.. i had a MT09 also and that remains one of my favorite bikes and i actually miss it a lot. just so you know where i'm coming from, i've been riding since i was a kid and have been on litre bikes for the past 10 or more years, currently on a s1k. I really enjoyed the 1200s and I've ridden the superduke 1290 and also the duke 790 and I found the MT09 to be the most fun, if the 821 is a cross between the MT09 and the 1200s as in all the character you'd expect from a ducati with the performance and usability of the MT09 then it will be a great bike for commuting and canyon carving. test ride one and see what you think.. If it was me i'd go 821 but the choice is yours
Great review AMC. Really liked how you picked up the details. Honest review. I really liked this bike until a saw your review. Not a negative but rather a positive feel now that i know more about it from your perspective. Leaning more and more towards the Yamaha MT-10, or the Aprilia T. 1100R. Thanks for sharing. Keep up the great work. You have a new subscriber.
Enjoyed the review, I think the main issue you have is the FZ1 is such a good bike for the money. To get anything better is going to require way more money I think. Just watched the Likeable Rider's track day and you kept up with the Superduke no problem!
Totally agree Dan. It's a LOT of bike for the money, so whatever may replace it, will have to really 'speak to me'. I was surprised with the ability to hold my own with the Dukes too!
I like the look of the bike, apart from these silver bars, why on earth would not make them black from standard. Not massively keen on the raw engine noise which seems to be what is heard rather than a nice exhaust note, am sure with the right can that can be sorted.
@@AndyManCam Agree entirely. Manufacturers need to pass the Euro 4/5 whatever it is, but they know as well as anyone else that we are all just gonna take that ridiculous gramophone speaker excuse for an exhaust off at the first opportunity.
AndyManCam have you entertained the idea of a second hand model? I reckon you could get a great deal. I have moved to a Tiger GT Pro now. Hope to follow your lead and munch some miles in and around Scotland. Keep the video’s coming 👍.
After hearing about all of the improvements made in the newest model, i don’t think I’d want to invest so much cash to already be one step out of date.
Quick question: How do you manage to drive around with an aftermarket can in Germany without it getting confiscated and you being sent to prison for 10 years? Okay the last bit might be a bit over exaggerated, but they sure do seem to really have it out for motorcycles these days 😕
You can have an aftermarket can, it just has to have the relevant E-mark for your bike. You only get in trouble when you step outside of the web of rules!!
Watching this video, I feel like i dodged a bad buy, but Andy hating the color Combo is missing the point of the monster, it's a parts bin special., Hence all the quirks
What happened to this footage? Did you sneeze while editing and turn the contrast slider to 150? ;) Easy on the contrast mate, it's too strong, makes it a bit unpleasant to watch to be honest. Enjoyed the vid as a podcast though :) As always on the channel, good content!
I often get asked by people I ride with, What are you fiddling with on the bars? Yup indicator switch!! Anywho, I like looking at a ducati, but have had and soon got rid of fussy Italian bikes. Just nope. Each to his own though.
@@AndyManCam don't get me wrong if I could afford one as a second bike, then yeah. And as far as I can see not newer exotics bikes are a lot more reliable. But something that always baffles me, in the sense of what I want out of a bike. I find myself asking do these bikes that now cost 10 thou plus, do they really out do the likes of the FZ-1? I'd like one, but I'm not sure just how justifiable the expense would be.
My thoughts exactly. I’m still kind of on the fence. Although ABS and traction control would certainly make me more comfortable about my insurance excess. Especially as i always find the badly Surfaced wet roads!
@@AndyManCam funnily enough, just today I was re watching your nc500 ish tour. And thought what luck andy has finding the rain!! Just my luck too, and I laugh because I all too well relate to the, in the helmet blasphemy about it all.
Hey Sukhdeep! I'd love to, but sadly reviews are over for this year. Nobody will let me test ride now that the weather is getting bad. Plus reviews are always very stressful as the dealers don'T like them!!
At least on video it sounds so slow, it's just that Ducati sound I guess, that same sound that puts me off Ducati's, luckily for me I can't afford one lol.
Yeah I agree. While editing I kept thinking "I'm sure I went a lot faster than that!!" I think the camera angle also took away a bit of the immersive feel. Sadly that was what I had with me. Did the job though. The best camera is the one that you have on you, after all!
I definitely do! But I'll have to wait until KTM answer my continued emails for that to happen! I wouldn't want it to be a rushed affair like these reviews always are.
@@AndyManCam A lot of Scramblers were bought and then sold pretty quickly once the cool young kids realised the cost of Ducati servicing and how much they need. Love the look of Ducatis but never fancied the reality of owning one. I was happier with my SV650 that everyone used to call a poor man's Ducati. Pity Triumphs are out of budget as I think you'd really like the Street Triple 765, although it might be a bit small for your height. I had one for a bit. Loved it but was near getting that bear on a bicycle feeling even though I'm only just 6ft. Lovely and smooth though and sound great. Triumph finish is beautiful too.
@@AndyManCam From that response it sounds like it might be more lol! Just wondering because from your reaction to that setting you said you really had to wind it out to get it going. Stay well and thank you for responding!
Well I wasn't expecting a surprise Ducati review! 😄 I must admit, I've never tried one. I do like the Multistrada. My friend works at a Ducati dealer and has warned me off them! What does that tell you?! Are you getting the new bike itch Andy? I get it all the time, although any new bike would be an addition as the Versys 1000 is great for two up touring. I do like to see your test rides though. 👍
It's funny that everyone on TH-cam has a buddy who works at Ducati and warned them 😅 I'm not really surprised to hear that from someone who rides a versys 1000 😂
Have the 2015 model. Comfortable to ride. plenty of torque. Love it.
Very glad to hear it mate. Different strokes for different folks!
Few quick remarks about the 821 since I own a 2017 since new.
After the first service, gear box will be much much better shifting, I had severe issues finding neutral on every new Ducati I rode. 2017 doesn't have TFT screen, but it has the old exhaust pipe and few more ponies and a wonderful booming L Twin noise. Handle bar is black on the standard bike.... Controls are also different so you don't hit the "mode" button. Tank is different shape as is the seat. This Duc has a timing belt which is serviced every 20k miles, this is why it has those black covers - because it's designed for service! You can get some killer carbon fiber covers for all the dark pieces and they are not even all that expensive. 2015-2017 is a better buy, only thing that you are giving up is the quick shifter which isn't available even as an accessory, gear indicator... I personally went with a Healtec shift indicator and quick shifter and never looked back.
Most motorcycles aren't designed with everyone in mind. For me S1000R was horrible as far as comfort goes. RnineT had sloppy handling. I already have a sport touring in line 4 BMW as well so I wasn't looking for a "GS-jack of all trades" 2nd bike. Monster is wonderful bike with a soul, something that many new bikes are missing.
Certainly seems like the bike has been somewhat handicapped with the new regulations. Both in terms of performance and saleability. Shame.
@@AndyManCam it should have been updated at least for 2020. It's basically the same bike since 2015 except for being actually a worse bike, due to emissions. For example Mulitstrada 950 engine would fit the bill quite nicely. Supposedly it's much smoother if you care for that sort of thing. Twins just have more character, if you want smoother engine with less character get a inline 3 or 4. Life is too short to just ride one bike... Have a few ;)
Buy it! You won’t regret it. I had a 2007 fz1s sold it and I bought a 2015 monster 821 in arctic white. Absolutely love it, you can seriously chuck the bike around the bends. I am 125kg and 6ft3 and the front forks handle just fine with me and the mrs 60kg. All I did is adjust the rear shock at about 80 percent capacity.
I'm not so sure. I think that, for me, there are better options out there. Turns out that I'm obviously getting old because I'm much happier on a more refined machine! Character was for my younger self!
AndyManCam I know what you mean, maybe try a triple mt09 or a street triple R
I had the S2R1000 for 50k miles. Incredible bike. Now 10 years later im looking at the 821 to remind me of the fun i had all those years ago
I have the 2015 model and am very happy with it. Comfortable to ride with plenty of torque.
Very happy to hear that! That's the most important thing. That you love the bike you have!
Best review I have seen on a Ducati Monster!
Thanks Randy!
If you want to hear proper sound, you need to listen to my 2015 Monster 821 (Euro 3) stock exhaust.
Bought my one in April 2016 and added more than 55.000km to it since then.
Nice! Yeah i read that the subs difference between the previous model and the current one was significant!
My 2017 sounds glorious and pops/bangs on overrun... My friends asked me many times if I modified the exhaust. 15-17 have more power as well... Ducati needs to update this bike with a 950
Try a Triumph speed twin. TMF loves his.
I just don’t really feel drawn towards parallel twins anymore. Plus the retro style is cool, but i still want a little bit of sporty excitement in there too.
Coming up in a future episode of AndyManCams Garage: Adjusting desmo valves!
Hahaha! Not bleedin likely!!
AndyManCam you commentary pain will be our entertainment.
I have a 821 stripe, monsters are a blast!
I agree. It was certainly good fun!
Very nice ride impression, AMC. I ride an older twin myself (TRX850 - Never had a false neutral) and it's nice to hear somebody vocalising the differences, niceties and idiosyncracies of the twin configuration engines. Gotta love that low-down torque. 😎
Having never ridden a Ducati myself it's nice to hear your opinion. Thanks for posting! 👍 🏍
Thanks Marty. My pleasure mate. It was a bit of an education for me too, having only briefly ridden the Scrambler before this.
All the V twins seem to do this. The big cruiser s now only run on the front cylinder when at a stop. Big improvement!
That’s a great idea.
I’m thinking of buying an 821 but, own a speed triple which I’ll never sell. Torque and smoothness and bombproof reliability.. food for thought 👍
Never tried one, but I’m quite certain I’d love it!
I've got 821 stealth and it is awesome. Ignore the reviewer on this vid he obviously passed his test a year ago.
The 821 is aggressive, handles great and is either a great blast or chilled tootle about and you look great on it either way. I've had loads of sportsbike but the 821 i love the most.
I don't know man... Since I went over 40 it's like all the years of abusing various parts of the body finally came to bite me. Even the Versys was to cramped and I am 6'3". So I went with the GS... Out with the character, in with the sweet comfort! :D And I must say it's a very good all rounder, and also has that boxer punch. All it took was one short test ride, and I was hooked. Nice and honest review Andy, cheers!
My pleasure Marko. I know what you mean. I thought i wanted an exciting, edgy exotic. But i had a go on a Honda CB1000R yesterday and loved it! So refined!
Just did a quick check on a price for this Monster 821, new in Germany. That's a bit steep for a pint of character and two hard boiled eggs, my word...
Yep. Certainly not the cheapest. Can get a CB1000r for a grand less.
Cb 1000r is a great bike and reliable
Im reviewing the same bike soon but an older model. Cant flipping wait.
Nice! You‘ll have a great time I’m sure! Just remember your tin foil underpants!
Mate there's only one naked to try and that's the Speed Triple RS. Once ridden you'll be amazed. Best purchase I've ever made.
I totally agree! Hopefully I'll get a chance at a long term test in the UK some timew soon. But for me personally, sadly too expensive and horribly pricey to insure over here.
@@AndyManCam That's very unfortunate to hear mate. Still if you ever get the chance just take it for a spin to treat yourself. Keep up the brilliant content. Regards from Melbourne 👍
Great bike for one season, but i switched to the 1200S. Much better clutch, better front brake and loads of torque. The best monster - Period!
Good to know. It's always crazy how you tell yourself that there is plenty of power, and then just weeks later you've gotten used to it and you need MORE!!
I had 821 for 2 seasons before I got the 1200. This is all the power I need now for non-track riding. I don’t care for the SF V2 or V4
I know this sounds a bit far fetched, but hear me out: Honda Africa Twin.
The engine is fantastic, the fueling is fantastic and the seating position is fantastic. It's even got cruise control (at least the 2020 model).
Now, I own a Street Triple R 675 and an Aprilia Caponord 1200, and the only issue that kept me from getting the AT instead of the Caponord was the missing cruise control on previous AT models.
I did ride the Africa Twin twice for 3-4 days and it's just a great bike to travel and have fun with.
I actually had a sit on one yesterday, as it happens. The thing was simply massive!! I’m not sure I’m ready for that much bike in front of me yet!
@@AndyManCam Yeah, that was also my first impression. But boy does that thing handle beautifully once you are on the go. If you did not ride it yet, just DO EET.
Roger! I’ll see what i can arrange. Although a ‚normal‘ test ride comes with a 2500€ insurance excess! So could take a while!
My wife’s got a 800 Scrambler full throttle, and it does not like going slow, proper fun when on the move though, and it also has sooo much heat coming off it, we can roast marshmallows at traffic lights, I never pull up along side her in case the plastic melts on mi Street Scrambler. It’s character apparently.. Got say though it is enormous fun bike. 👍
Haha! Sounds great! I can completely imagine that! I had a hoot on the scrambler 1100, But probably wouldn’t want to own one!
I have a soft spot for Ducati bikes, have owned three of them over the years, the first was an early M750 Monster which was lovely, not very fast though.
I think it has to be a passion thing. I’ve boarded the ducati train too late to have a long journey!!
@@AndyManCam you never know where 2 wheels will take you mate! 🙂
Omg I just love your presentation on these videos! Love it! Very entertaining and informative!
Many thanks! Very happy to have helped mate! Cheers.
Hey Andy, My local dealer had deals on this model and I was tempted. Wasn’t able to test ride at the time and then the virus hit and you know the rest. I’m glad I didn’t go any further with it. At times it sounded like it was struggling at revs, reminiscent of shaking a can full of nuts and bolts. The indicator going into the riding modes at will would drive me insane too.
Thanks for the video, you’ve given me a valuable insight 👍🎥.
Cheers.
Glad to have helped (Ducati won't be sending me a christmas card this year though!).
Andy, You’re definitely off their list...that’s for sure 😂🤣. Anyway, it’s obvious that you need (emphasis on “need”) the latest KTM 1290 Super Duke R...The Beast. It’s more than capable to handle all of your needs (emphasis on “needs”😂🤣)
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Ride an older one... Save some cash and buy used 15-17. If you want a odd bike that does everything, try a Hyperstrada 939.
Really miss my monster 821. Don’t know if it’s the newer Euro regs (mine was euro3 2016) but it sounded immense with a termi pipe (I even had the homologated version!).
I read in a few places that the euro4 system really killed the sound of the bike.
@@AndyManCam Yes, I rode 2016 model Euro3 and it sounded just awesome with OEM exhasut. Now I bought 2020 model and the Euro system REALLY killed the sound. It has almost no sound. Termignoni is needed to have some fun.
Good first ride video Andy
Thanks very much Lyn. Was great to finally ride the newest version of the bike i lusted after before i got my license! Never meet your heroes though!
NIce one.
I had the 2015 version. It was awesome out of town, not in the ring though due to the wind. Up to 100 km/h its not a real problem. In town, ok but not enjoyable.I n traffic...hot.
After upgrading the exhaust (termis +upmap+servo buddy) it became even better and admittedly it also improved in-town, especially after i installed the servo buddy. Better suspension would be nice indeed.
I thought that with a little work it could certainly be improved. Shame it’s not near perfect off the peg though.
I personally never had regrets of owning that bike, but everyone is different. Also it depends on how far from perfect this one felt for you. Maybe try also the 1200s for good measure :)
I too am an OCD signal canceller...lol :)
So glad I’m not alone! No OCD allowed on this machine!
Turn signals and choke lever
Used to drive myself crazy
Constantly checking they were off
Third here! ahah
Same here!
Great country, roads and bike!
Cheers Aaron!
Great review, Andy :) I love my Ducati Scrambler 1100. I guess it produces even more heat, given that it's air-cooled and has under-seat exhaust pipes. But honestly so far it hasn't bothered me. That said, I only have it since February, didn't have much opportunity to get roasted in traffic at >25°C yet. The sound on this 2020 Monster 821 really sounded quite thin. Bikes don't have to be loud, but there needs to be some low frequency rumble, especially for twin cyl. engines bikes, IMO.
Thanks Patrick. I loved the Scrambler in the Alps, so much fun. I don't think that this is 'my' engine though. Totally agree on the rumble though. It just wasn't there. No growl.
Owning the 821 since 2017, I can say that I love the bike. Light, agile, beautiful. Simply Monster (red of course). The riding modes are easy to use. You just needed 2 minutes before starting the ride to get to know how to avoid getting into the mode display all the time. You were not patient enough. I am using it almost every day. It's a bit hot if you use it only in a city. The not adjustable fork doesn't annoy me at all. I have as an option the quick shifter which I don't use very often. Sorry it's like this. The small wind screen in option does the job really well. Of course it's not a tourer for the Autobahn. But at 140km/h it's still very ok. ✌️😎🙋♂️
Sure! I guess that if you’re ok with the nuances, then it must be a great bike to have. I suppose if it was easy to live with, it‘d be a Honda! 😂
It's easy to live with, that's why it's my 4th Ducati 😁 (Monster 1100, Streetfighter 848, Monster 1200S and since 2017, the 821 😀). As for everything, it's always so subjective 😆🤣...
I'm also 6ft 4 and used to have an fzs1000, which was great but lacking character, I changed to a 2007 speed triple which just ticks all the boxes for me, comfortable, full of character, technically slower than the Fazer but lots of low down torque so feels quicker in most situations, plus for me at least it has the look back at it as you walk away factor I never had with the Yamaha. You should try one of you never have, though my model might be a bit too old for your requirements.
Yeah, slower doesn't necessarily mean less fun! Most of the power in the FZ1, I never get even close to using. Was good to see how much it had on the track though. Keeping up with the 1290 Dukes was no problem! I think 'character' is something for a younger man. I need something that doesn't make my old limbs go to sleep!! 😂
Haha, I'm older than you!
If you're planing on a new bike, why not the MT-09, or even the Tracer, considering that you go long-trips and the aerodynamic protecion would help you a bit?
I do like the look of them, but the snatchy throttles across the board with Yamaha just puts me off. Plus the Internet is saturated with folks riding them. I want to be a little different! 😜
Reading some comments below about everyone advising you something else to ride, I'll add one too haha!
Husqvarna svartpilen 701.
Just go and check them out.
Couple of months ago I sold my Versys 650 and got a Husqvarna svartpilen 401. Yes a 401. That lightweight little thing has some serious poke! So much fun to ride too! If you're near the city of Zwolle again anytime soon you can have a go on it👌Even the whole day if you like haha!
Cheers!
Awesome! Congrats! Funky enough, i saw a 701 in the street yesterday for the first time, and thought it looked pretty cool. Stupid husqvarna Garage sold their demo bike before i could have a test ride though!
@@AndyManCam Thank you! They look pretty good, don't they?! KTM dealerships are petty rare herein the Netherlands, and Husky's are only sold at KTM dealerships. Is that the same in Germany?
Only thing missing from the review is an appearance from your comedy partner Mr Garmin 😁
Haha! He thankfully stayed away and everybody had a lovely time as a result! 😂
Good review. As for the riding modes, is not their fault if you keep pushing the button...lol... I’ve been riding a 821 for the last 4 years, daily. In highway and in town. Is the perfect bike in terms of comfort, performance, flexibility, and equipment for the money.
Thanks! As a designer in a past life, i have to disagree. It’s ENTIRELY their fault that i kept pushing the mode button as they had gotten their semiotics wrong and either put it in wrong place, or programmed the behavior of the interface wrong. As shown by the fact that on the Hypermotard, you have to hold the button down for a second to go into the menu. This behavior should be programmed in across the range. But as you know (and the same with the indicator/horn Lay-out on Hondas) it’s something that you get used to when it’s your bike!
AndyManCam fair enough. I assume though that not all riders face this problem. E.g. I’ve been riding the 821 for 4 yrs and I’m ok with it... have you heard complaints from others also?
I can only speak from my own experience. Overall i find it odd that two bikes from the same brand, have two completely different ways of accessing the menus. And even more odd that the action of canceling the indicators and accessing the menus, would have the exact same action as each other on the 821. Sure you can get used to it and be ok with it. Doesn’t stop it being strange.
Nice review. What kind of gloves are those white beasts? Thanks!
They're Vanucci RVX4
If you thinking of another. I would say Triumph Speed Triple. Check out 44 teeth test. All the Best EBC
I’d love one EBC! Unfortunately way over budget and too pricey to insure. 😭
Great video again good and clear and the sound was spot on
Many thanks Peter! The sound from the Sena is really clear.
There are a ton of bikes I would take over another Monster. Stepping off an FZ1n onto this was never really going to go well. Personally I wouldnt have either.
It was a bit of a culture shock. Way better throttle response, but so much more buzzy and hot!
Nice concise review.
Well done mate.
Many thanks! Happy to help!
the new euro type approval mean the bikes run mega hot to burn fuel more efficiently, so many of them are mobile nut roasters!
my 2019 ktm superduke gt is a serious chestnut warmer!
I didn't know that, but it makes perfect sense.
hi andy i done my 1st bike blog the other day on my xr250r,many thanks for the inspiration.....sadly its as rough as old boots,
Haha! We all have to start somewhere mate. It'll get better.
Rather surprised that you’re thinking of going for the 821 and not the 1200 or 1200s. The 821 might be a bit weedy for long distance touring like you normally do don’t you think? I’m 6ft 2 and found the leg room rather tight on the 1200s. For your 6ft4 frame it must be hell. I eventually went for a used KTM 1290 SDR and found that perfect for my me. The power though was nuts. I’ve also previously owned a yamaha XSR900, and that i must say was one of the most comfortable bikes i ever owned. Particularly for the legs. Happy bike hunting.
PS. The XSR900 doesn’t cook the nether regions
PPS. I’d all but given up hope you’d keep doing bike reviews. Glad to see you’ve started again...
A 1200s would have been my first choice, but the insurance was twice as much! Just not feasible!
AndyManCam good point. Then I’d recommend taking a look at the XSR, it’s got all the benefits of the MT-09, with a lot fewer downsides. Goes pretty well, costs a lot less upfront with lower insurance. Which allows upgrades (akra exhausts and ohlins suspension for those of a heavier persuasion like me). Only snag might be the styling (retro-ish) is not to everyone’s tastes. Like I said, enjoy the hunt for a new bike... it’s half the fun of owning one 😀
Hey, nice review! I personally own this very bike and I actually find it to be an awful lot of fun. The fact that the bike is rough like it is in my mind only adds to the character of the bike, which many present bikes lack. I find your opinions on the bike to be very precise and on point for someone, who has just stepped off of an inline four Yamaha 🙂 It is certainly a shock when you first step off something so refined and smooth and.then swing your leg over something so rough 😅 Eitherway the heat and the general rough side of the bike are Ducati’s signature features for better or worse some people like myself love it, some people can’t stand it and there is very hardly anything in between 😏 As for the noise, it is far from the scream of an inline four with the stock can, however that can easily be fixed with a nice aftermarket exhaust (the unfortunate aftermath of EU regulations) 😄 Ducati’s are certainly not for everyone... The V-Twin engines especially are for many people a pain in the ass to cope with let alone live with it is nothing to worry about though! I’d suggest trying one of their new V4 bikes... That engine is a lot smoother and also might offer some more over all excitement for you especially when coming from something like an FZ1 🙂 The Streetfighter V4 is an amazing bike and is definitely worth a test ride, however there are plenty other fish in the sea that could suit your preferences and needs much better than any bike from the Ducati line-up! With that being said I wish you all the best and lots of fun on your hunt for a new bike, if possible do keep us posted with what bike you eventually end up choosing 😉
Thanks Jan. I can completely imagine that it's a lot of fun! Was certainly a shock after the smooth running FZ1! I'd love to try a V4 sometime.
My fav bike ever
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About that OCDing with your controls; I recognise that. Going all day checking the choke, high beam and indicator switches in a pattern. Don't want to be that guy with his indicator on for half an hour.
It’s a strange fear, but a real fear!!
Indicators switch off automatically after 500yds I believe.
Machines tend to get smarter and smarter. Reminds me of my girlfriends grandfather who got the scare of his life because his Citroen decided it was time to close the windows (with his hand on the outside) because the rainsensor caught 1 droplet..
Thanks for the honest review. You covered all the bases however you knocked it out of my top 5 picks. If I’m going to spend that kind of money, it’s got to be right.
Cheers Evan. I agree. It needs to be near perfect for that much cash. I’m sure it could be made perfect, but would certainly cost a few bob!
always.... ALWAYS leave the specs like in this video. Perfect! I don't need that boring stuff. Real experience beats it every time. Lot of press can learn from you. :) Well done!
Cheers JP! I realised that the specs are EVERYWHERE! But realtime observations, not so much. Happy to help mate!
Riding since 40 years, I am proud to have never owned a bike with rider modes. That was the exact reason I bought a 2015 Z1000. Even in rain all I needed to do is activate my internal power sensor settings located between my ears..........
(It's call a brain, and it is and ever will be your best rider assistance )
And as a bonus there's an undeniable fact, what isn't on the bike you can't break.
Just my two cents.......
Safe rides 👍🏍
Up until recently, I've never been impressed with rider modes. The MT-10 was just too much and too complicated. But I had a go on the CB1000R the other day and it was actually a very enjoyable experience. For once, the 'Standard' mode was almost perfect!
I agree. All of my bikes have rider modes.... I call it my wrist to brain technology.
It just seems like even if you don’t keep flicking modes by accident, that it’s just more faffing around with yet another thing. Maybe I’m old fashioned. I’m okay with that. I’m sure there are many riders who love tinkering with rider modes and twiddling with knobs until they’re finally ready to ride through a puddle.
Yes, I’m being condescending and sarcastic.
Thank you Andy for your very detailed and honest review. I am coming out of my A2 licence in a couple of months and have been riding a CB500X for the last 2 years. Right now as my 1st big bike I am hesitating between the Ducati 821 Monster and the Honda CB1000R. I have seen your latest vids about the CB. What made you buy it? What do you think would fit me as a 1st big bike keeping in mind that the bike will be used for nice gentle 1h or so rides, I am not a racer... I am leaning toward the Honda right now but am really undecided yet. Thanks again, I really like your work!
My pleasure Tomy. Happy to help. The beauty of the CB is that you can ride it gentle and relaxed. The fuelling is so smooth that you don’t need to wring it’s neck to feel like it’s enjoyable. I’m fact I’d say that my riding has become much smoother since getting it. Also the restricted power modes are very unobtrusive and well implemented.
Good day to give another bike a go, looks sharp. The seat, vibes and pizza oven heat combo though...ouch. Proper thorough review 👍 as always!
Couldn’t have wished for a better day! But yeah, good to see the worst case scenario with the ball-baking!
@@AndyManCam I can hear Joe Dolce singing, " What's da matta you...you no like-a bake" (Accordion solo!)
Haha! „Hey! Turn-offa-ya-bike!“
Andy it’s starting to sound like the FZ1’s days are seriously numbered!?!?
I let my mate (who owns a 2018 GSXS-1000) ride my 06’ (which has the 08’ ECU fitted) at the weekend. When he got off his comments were that he couldn’t believe how smooth and easy to ride the bike was. Please please please try an ECU flash (or alternate ECU) before you trade her in. I’m surprised you’ve lasted as long as you have with that 06’ ECU. I’m almost at 80,000 miles now and can’t find a better bike!
I think every bikers current ride is balancing on the razors edge of opportunity! ECU flashing just sadly isn't a very viable option here in Germany as we have to also pass the emissions tests every year. Altering the emissions (for the worse) is highly illegal over here. 😖 So sadly that inherent snatchiness is the single Achilles heel of a great bike, that could eventually drive me into the arms of another! What is the equation? When N = the number of bikes you have, then the number of bikes you need = N+1.
What’s your thoughts on the z900? Would love for you to do a review or even better z900 vs z1000 no one has done a video on it and only visordown have done a review on the z9 really
I think they look like a good option on paper. Not overly in love with the styling or the color schemes though. Apparently the Motor is a peach but the fueling a little jerky. Maybe i can have a go on one sometime.
Good suggestion, I ride a Z800, my wife rides a Z900. The Z900 is lighter (trellis frame), but my Z800 seems zippier. Also the Ninja1000 would be a good contender for AMC.
AndyManCam cheers for the comment, would definately be interesting if you got to test one, I ride an mt09 and I must say yamahas throttle response on that leaves much to be desired, it’s strange handling too! You can ride it quick but it doesn’t feel settled in the corners! Looking for something more suited to the twisties that won’t break me on a journey.... oh let’s not forget the bank either 🤣 good luck hunting for your new ride!
The second hand market is flooded with Ducatis, and Monsters in particular. The character, reliability and finish wears thin after a while. Fine as one bike in a stable of bikes but probably not as a single bike and putting milage on it.
Glad I'm not the only one that keeps checking the indicators are off.
I can totally see that. Fun for a day, possibly a little tiresome for a week!
@@AndyManCam An overlooked bike that's comparable to your Yamaha, but updated, is the Suzuki GSX-S 1000. Around 140bhp, bullet proof engine (K5 I think) with lots of after market add-ons should you wish.
I would also suggest the 2017 Z900 but I think your giraffe like frame may find it a bit cramped. 😁
Quite possibly would be a bit tight! Even the z1000sx was cramped! I like the Suzuki, but found it a bit lacklustre in the spec and tech department.
Top video . Miss my monster
Thanks Desmond
Super tempted to get one
If it works for you, go for it!
I nearly bought an 821 but bought a scrambler instead 'cos I wanted the noise and rumble; wanted to know I'd been for a ride and not just carried along. Unless you must have new and/or abs (no bad thing at all) there could bikes to maybe consider around the same age as the FZ1n which provide the v-twin torque you might like and fit your size/shape. Suzuki SV1000, smooth reliable, wants cans, suspension and brake upgrades, but will still be very cheap and hugely capable. Honda VTR1000 Firestorm, front end's a bit soft, uses fuel if you use the performance. Actually most bikes of that age will benefit from a suspension refresh so its not a criticism really, just a factor of age and use (like all of us). I could go on (bit boring). What fun the search is, have lots of it.
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I can understand that. The monster's sound was a bit reedy and unsatisfying. I think if I were to 'invest' in something other than the FZ1, I'd want to get a little bit of current tech and allure along with it! Otherwise, from it's era, the FZ1 is already a powerhouse!
AMC review,a rare bird indeed 😄😄👏👏👍👍
Yeah, it's been a while! I forgot how stressful it is!
Nice bike when it’s got all the extras fitted, but like you I found the switchgear fiddly. Prefer the Hypermotard.
Agreed. I actually tried the Hypermotard 950 SP straight after. Videos on the way!
Fantastic, informative and entertaining review!! Awesome!! 🇬🇧 🙂
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
needs a bit more running in yet, ive had a few dukes.
Do all the vibrations and the heat go away when it's run in?! 😂
First mod: Blanking of riding mode button.
Haha! Although i totally agree, indicating could be tough afterwards!
I have tried the 821 and really enjoyed it. I would be getting the comfort/touring seat because it fellt too small for me at 6,2. +25mm
I think that would be a definite must! Have fun with it!
"my jumblies are getting nicely jumbled the whole time... tumble-dried jumblies from the Ducati 821..."
I'm printing the T-shirts already...
Back into the modes again 😂
Happens to me all the time
Should've been a long press to get into riding modes 👍
You should try the new KTM 1290 Super Duke R. You will love it!
I'm sure I would, but I can't afford one! SO I'll leave that itch unscratched for now! Until the opportunity arrises that is!
Great review ! Cool looking bike .....
Thanks very much Konstantinos. I agree, good looking machine.
Ducati do make a good looking bike. Have you considered trying a Yamaha XSR900? I've owned one from new (2016) and love it. Sounds brilliant with the Leo Vince Dual exhaust fitted. It's been remapped for a much smoother throttle response.
Good review by the way, cheers.
That they do. I like the look of most of the XSR. But not keen on the lights or the dash. I’m not keen on having to Remap a new bike after shelling out a wedge!
@@AndyManCam unfortunately all the Yamaha triple's seem to suffer from a jerky throttle.
It’s the biggest shame because their bikes are great on paper. How come honda, ducati, Suzuki and Triumph can do it?!
@@AndyManCam I found the MT-10 & the new Tenere 700 have the same problem. Maybe not as bad as the Triples I've ridden, but it is there none the less. Maybe it's Yamaha way of injecting character into their bikes🤔
Haha! Maybe! If character makes you fear for your life every time you go to roll on the throttle out of a bend! 🤪
Hi, I am thinking about buying a motorcycle, I did not drive 5 years, I am interested in the ducati monster 821 or 1200 s, before that I rode the ktm duke 690, triumph street triple r, I like the 1200s more but I do not know if it is too strong, I live in NY and I need a motorcycle to travel to work
ive ridden the 1200s and shes a beast, much bettter to get the smaller engine for commuting and possibly more fun.. i had a MT09 also and that remains one of my favorite bikes and i actually miss it a lot. just so you know where i'm coming from, i've been riding since i was a kid and have been on litre bikes for the past 10 or more years, currently on a s1k. I really enjoyed the 1200s and I've ridden the superduke 1290 and also the duke 790 and I found the MT09 to be the most fun, if the 821 is a cross between the MT09 and the 1200s as in all the character you'd expect from a ducati with the performance and usability of the MT09 then it will be a great bike for commuting and canyon carving. test ride one and see what you think.. If it was me i'd go 821 but the choice is yours
Great review AMC. Really liked how you picked up the details. Honest review. I really liked this bike until a saw your review. Not a negative but rather a positive feel now that i know more about it from your perspective. Leaning more and more towards the Yamaha MT-10, or the Aprilia T. 1100R. Thanks for sharing. Keep up the great work. You have a new subscriber.
Thanks Khan. Just saying it as I see it mate! Welcome to the channel!
Enjoyed the review, I think the main issue you have is the FZ1 is such a good bike for the money. To get anything better is going to require way more money I think. Just watched the Likeable Rider's track day and you kept up with the Superduke no problem!
Totally agree Dan. It's a LOT of bike for the money, so whatever may replace it, will have to really 'speak to me'. I was surprised with the ability to hold my own with the Dukes too!
R1200R Andy, loved your review and bought one! 👌
Cheers Mark. I did seriously consider one. I’d have to get quite an old one to come under budget though.
I have 2018 R1200R, it's brilliant in dynamic mode and good in other modes. Loads of torque at all speeds. 👍😁
Have you rode the Z900 I honestly don’t know which one to go for either the Z900 or the Ducati Monster
I'm afraid not. i was actually only riding bikes that I was thinking of buying and the Z900 just never grabbed me. Sorry!
@@AndyManCam no worries mate 👍🏼
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Nice review, thanks!
My pleasure James, thanks for watching!
I like the look of the bike, apart from these silver bars, why on earth would not make them black from standard. Not massively keen on the raw engine noise which seems to be what is heard rather than a nice exhaust note, am sure with the right can that can be sorted.
Almost everything can be fixed with an aftermarket can!! 😂 Silver bars on a mainly black and red Bike is a big no!
@@AndyManCam Agree entirely. Manufacturers need to pass the Euro 4/5 whatever it is, but they know as well as anyone else that we are all just gonna take that ridiculous gramophone speaker excuse for an exhaust off at the first opportunity.
Please tell me your going to test ride a Street triple. I think you would love it 😍
I think i would too. Top of my list. But it would make me very sad as i simply can’t afford one!
AndyManCam have you entertained the idea of a second hand model? I reckon you could get a great deal. I have moved to a Tiger GT Pro now. Hope to follow your lead and munch some miles in and around Scotland. Keep the video’s coming 👍.
After hearing about all of the improvements made in the newest model, i don’t think I’d want to invest so much cash to already be one step out of date.
Very nice review mate. I think you would enjoy it if you decide to purchase one.
Cheers! Yeah I'm sure I would, but I wonder how much of the in between stuff I wouldn'T enjoy!?
Get a ride on the new tiger if you liked the versys like me
I do fancy a go on one of those actually. We’ll have to wait and see.
Quick question:
How do you manage to drive around with an aftermarket can in Germany without it getting confiscated and you being sent to prison for 10 years?
Okay the last bit might be a bit over exaggerated, but they sure do seem to really have it out for motorcycles these days 😕
You can have an aftermarket can, it just has to have the relevant E-mark for your bike. You only get in trouble when you step outside of the web of rules!!
Watching this video, I feel like i dodged a bad buy, but Andy hating the color Combo is missing the point of the monster, it's a parts bin special., Hence all the quirks
Good point. But then I don’t think I’d want to shell out 10k for Ducatis bits‘n‘bobs project! 😂
As a minor point, from a vlog viewing perspective it sounds like it’s 1 rpm away from blowing up. Looks nice though.
Haha! It sure did sound thrashy! Only once actually got close to the redline though. 😅
Looks like the dash and buttons are sponsored by Garmin XD.
Haha! They were just doing it to mess with me!
Monster rule #1: shift it like you mean it. No tickle shifting.
You’re damned right there! It’s almost like if you want to shift from 2nd to 3rd, you have to shift like you’re actually aiming for 5th! 🤣
Sounds like a no for the Ducati. Battered and fried testes are a definite no; although they are probably a delicacy somewhere!
Haha! Very likely! But no, I'd prefer the conkers stayed uncooked and unscrambled! Back to the drawing board! Good to finally know though.
mmmm the IT has an SH missing . If button pushing took away the effect of throttle twisting I would dump the bike as unsafe.
True. It should be more about the right wrist than the left thumb!
What happened to this footage? Did you sneeze while editing and turn the contrast slider to 150? ;) Easy on the contrast mate, it's too strong, makes it a bit unpleasant to watch to be honest. Enjoyed the vid as a podcast though :) As always on the channel, good content!
That's straight out of the camera I'm afraid. I was a little surprised by the contrast too tbh.
I often get asked by people I ride with, What are you fiddling with on the bars? Yup indicator switch!!
Anywho, I like looking at a ducati, but have had and soon got rid of fussy Italian bikes.
Just nope.
Each to his own though.
It’s a filthy habit, but i can’t stop! I was sure I’d love this bike, but i think I’m with you.
@@AndyManCam don't get me wrong if I could afford one as a second bike, then yeah. And as far as I can see not newer exotics bikes are a lot more reliable.
But something that always baffles me, in the sense of what I want out of a bike. I find myself asking do these bikes that now cost 10 thou plus, do they really out do the likes of the FZ-1? I'd like one, but I'm not sure just how justifiable the expense would be.
My thoughts exactly. I’m still kind of on the fence. Although ABS and traction control would certainly make me more comfortable about my insurance excess. Especially as i always find the badly Surfaced wet roads!
@@AndyManCam funnily enough, just today I was re watching your nc500 ish tour. And thought what luck andy has finding the rain!!
Just my luck too, and I laugh because I all too well relate to the, in the helmet blasphemy about it all.
If you enjoy the sound of this, then your next stop is a 3 cylinder diesel!
Hahaha! So right! Yeah, I didn't really like it either. Sounded like a tiny little dumper truck.
Hey bro can you also do a review of the BMW F900 R ?
Hey Sukhdeep! I'd love to, but sadly reviews are over for this year. Nobody will let me test ride now that the weather is getting bad. Plus reviews are always very stressful as the dealers don'T like them!!
@@AndyManCam noted with thanks bro. Can you recommend which is a better bike BMW F900R or Monster 821?
Impossible for me to say, without riding the BMW. I think that from looking, it seems that the BMW is better made and has more tech-wise to offer.
At least on video it sounds so slow, it's just that Ducati sound I guess, that same sound that puts me off Ducati's, luckily for me I can't afford one lol.
Yeah I agree. While editing I kept thinking "I'm sure I went a lot faster than that!!" I think the camera angle also took away a bit of the immersive feel. Sadly that was what I had with me. Did the job though. The best camera is the one that you have on you, after all!
@@AndyManCam Didn't notice you were using a different camera too.
Not that you was trying Andy, but there no chance of me trading down from my Pc41 to that bag of nails Sorry 😲😲
Never mind. Ducati will just have to try harder next time!
@@AndyManCam It might be newer than the straight fours we have but we both know what we will stick with😜
Check the 1200 out.
Unfortunately the insurance is nearly twice as much. Out of my reach. 😭
looks like you need to play on a superduke
I definitely do! But I'll have to wait until KTM answer my continued emails for that to happen! I wouldn't want it to be a rushed affair like these reviews always are.
Give the Streetfighter a try.
10:45 L Twin Andy.....L Twin.😁
I know. But then isn't an L just a wide V?! 😜
@@AndyManCam 😅😅 have a gran day Andy
Have you checked servicing costs?
No. I thought I’d see if the bike was even an option first! 😂
@@AndyManCam A lot of Scramblers were bought and then sold pretty quickly once the cool young kids realised the cost of Ducati servicing and how much they need. Love the look of Ducatis but never fancied the reality of owning one. I was happier with my SV650 that everyone used to call a poor man's Ducati. Pity Triumphs are out of budget as I think you'd really like the Street Triple 765, although it might be a bit small for your height. I had one for a bit. Loved it but was near getting that bear on a bicycle feeling even though I'm only just 6ft. Lovely and smooth though and sound great. Triumph finish is beautiful too.
Brilliant funny video 👍😂😂 doesn’t sound like a good bike for you , loads of choice in that middle weight class .looking forward to your next video .
Thanks Paul. I think you’re right. Fun, but not my cup of tea.
What are the HP ratings in urban mode?
No idea I’m afraid.
@@AndyManCam From that response it sounds like it might be more lol! Just wondering because from your reaction to that setting you said you really had to wind it out to get it going. Stay well and thank you for responding!
Ur probably be better off with the 1200 monster Andy...
Possibly. Sadly the insurance is exorbitant!
Hot day and filll the tank up with cold fuel. Ahhhhhhhhhhh 😜
That really didn’t help matters! Typical dealership demo with almost no fuel in it!
Well I wasn't expecting a surprise Ducati review! 😄 I must admit, I've never tried one. I do like the Multistrada. My friend works at a Ducati dealer and has warned me off them! What does that tell you?! Are you getting the new bike itch Andy? I get it all the time, although any new bike would be an addition as the Versys 1000 is great for two up touring. I do like to see your test rides though. 👍
Haha! That says all you need to know!! The itch is always there, isn’t it?! 😜
It's funny that everyone on TH-cam has a buddy who works at Ducati and warned them 😅 I'm not really surprised to hear that from someone who rides a versys 1000 😂