Bart Ehrman & Jesus, Interrupted - Commonwealth Club
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- On Monday, March 21, 2011 Bart Ehrman gave a lecture at the San Francisco Commonwealth Club of California, underwritten by The Bernard Osher Foundation. Moderator was Alan Jones, Dean Emeritus, Grace Cathedral. The appearance was largely related to Bart Ehrman's printed release of "Jesus, Interrupted." Bart Ehrman takes you on a journey to the ancient world and the forgery battles that have raged through the centuries. Ehrman contends in the lecture that the New Testament is riddled with contradictions about the life of Jesus and his significance. He provides compelling evidence that early Christianity was a collection of competing schools of thought and that the central doctrines we know today were the inventions of theologians living several centuries after Christ.
Video discussed on Bart Ehrman's Foundation Blog: ehrmanblog.org/...
Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He came to UNC in 1988, after four years of teaching at Rutgers University. At UNC he has served as both the Director of Graduate Studies and the Chair of the Department of Religious Studies. A graduate of Wheaton College (Illinois), Professor Ehrman received both his Masters of Divinity and Ph.D. from Princeton Theological Seminary, where his 1985 doctoral dissertation was awarded magna cum laude.
© Copyright 2011. Bart D. Ehrman and Craig A. Evans. All Rights Reserved. Unauthorized use, re-posting and/or duplication of this video without express and written permission from Bart D. Ehrman is strictly prohibited.
Bart is the heavyweight champion of NT scholars. Undefeated! He helped in my transition out of religion and Christianity, I owe him a big thank you. I wasn’t looking to leave but the truth shall set you free.
8:40 to get passed the "Pop quiz" that Bart talks about at the beginning of just about every lecture he gives.
It's funny you mentioned it.
I took his class while I was at Rutgers back in the mid 1980s. Very nice guy. He’s come a long way since then.
Beautiful. "If you were in charge, would I be safe?" I'm not a believer, but that's an unassailable litmus test. What a thoughtful member of the clergy.
I wish Christian scholars were as honest as Dr. Ehrman. Frankly, I've never heard one who I can discern as intellectually honest
Dale Allison is good but he is more introverted and has fewer videos on youtube.
Dr. Bart D. Eahrman is the most legitimate New Testament scholar in Tew Testament Historical analysis and texual criticism. He is unmatched in his intellectual integrity and academic scholarship. What, would we ever do without his honest scholarship. And I say this as a Muslim and Gulf war veteran.
I normally skip the Q&A portion due to the simplicity and predictability of the questions and common audience. In this case I'm glad I stuck around.
Bart always comes across as the most honest and sincere in these debates
Not really
Bart has drifted
Is this a debate though? (no, this isn't)
@@raysalmon6566 Has he? How?
For a better and COMPLETE understanding of what is Christianity and who is Jesus, look for Rabbi Tovia Singer or Rabbi Michael Skobac, here on youtube. Bart D. Ehrman is either a con man or an idiot.
Bart's Usual Introduction - 4:00
Lecture starts - 8:20
Wow, I love this guy. I wish a lot of africans can be exposed to his material.
Tebogo I'm following these presentations and I learned a lot
Tebogo, I think a lot of people should be exposed to this material full stop.
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@Isak Woldemichal Are you saying _you're_ well-studied in the Bible? Well then you should have no problem naming ONE mistake Ehrman makes in this talk, right? (Why wasn't such a mistake mentioned in your original post?)
Yes he is great but most of my brothers and sisters are Southern baptist and their brains have been frozen in faith and fear. I have 4 of his books
Ehrman's face, with the bringing up of Lee Strobel, is gold.
Wish I could at least become familiar with all those those pop quiz questions.
Thanks for sharing this!
His latest quiz is at: ehrmanblog.org/pop-quiz-first-year-students/ it looks like he's added a question since this talk and changed a couple of questions - there are 12 questions now.
Starts at 8:40 (if you want to skip past the introduction and the story Bart starts every lecture with)
Bless you, my son. You are doing the work of God.
It's not a lesson from Bart Ehrman without Armadillo Grill's starting story.
Bart, this was a fascinating talk and I was particularly impressed with how you responded to the questions at the end. Recommended viewing.
I wonder why this king of videos don't have more views..... People are watching worthless things today...
I do wish Dr Alan Jones would shut up more and let him talk though!
I wish Christian scholars were as honest as Dr. Ehrman. Frankly, I've never heard one who I can discern as intellectually honest.
Thank you Bart Ehrman for asking people to be more intellectually honest and less bias.
" ... and less biased ... " not " ... and less bias [sic]." "Biased," the adjective, not "bias," the noun.
Although my interest is more in the Ehrman camp, I was impressed with Dr. Jones' demeanor and his insightful and respectful contribution to the dialogue. And his erudite English accent didn't hurt!
Shermanbay RESPECT THE BRITISH KENNY ROGER. HE THE INTELLIGENT.
Lee Strobel is not an atheist turned christian. He already was doing a skit in his church where he put the bible “on trial.” He didn’t do most of this research, and it all began right before his book was released in 1998.
I love this guy
His lectures are so succinct and informative
Must have taken a lot of effort
For a better and COMPLETE understanding of what is Christianity and who is Jesus, look for Rabbi Tovia Singer or Rabbi Michael Skobac, here on youtube. Bart D. Ehrman is either a con man or an idiot.
Great, great discussion, thank you
@@Davieboy-dovbear if someone wants the facts and nothing but, the last person to go to is a religious fundie
Good lecture and some good follow up questions. Thanks for posting.
The 'moderator' with the white hair and beard deal gets on my nerves. I'd rather hear questions from the audience.
The majority of the questions seem to have come from the audience. For the purposes of the radio show I assume, the had the moderator read them out. That is preferable, in my mind, since he is able to word the questions clearly, something the random audience member struggles with. Plus we have to deal with the time consuming process of passing around the mic.
I'm consistently frustrated with people who understand the facts but deny their implications. Why doesn't evolution undermine Genesis? Why doesn't a forgery in a bible undermine it's value for moral teachings? Why doesn't the problem of evil undermine a god? I find Christians who are ambivalent to these questions are some of the most frustrating, albeit polite, I encounter.
Aaron Parker I disagree with your assessment that a forged document can not contain moral teachings. I would merely state that it undermines the credibility that the preachment are from a divine source.
Scot McDonald I agree. You're perfectly within your rights to claim the book has good moral value, but at the same time, it has horrible moral teachings. Once you claim it's from a deity, that's when you lose. The bible has as much moral good as the Quran, and both are as terrible as the last.
LucidityNow I'm not a christian, nor religious, " >>>I very sincerely doubt that.
"but macro evolution is and always has been on very shaky ground, especially primate > human evolution.">>>No it hasn't, and no it isn't. Evolution by natural selection has been profoundly verified.
"Darwin expected there to be thousands of missing link fossils found during the 20th century and said his theory was counting on it.">>> There are hundreds of thousands of transitional fossils. Darwin predicted it, and voila, we've found them.
If you don't accept the theory of Evolution, you're uneducated, it's as simple as that.
Yes, Evil does undermine an all good, and all powerful god. Either the god cannot do anything about human suffering, or he won't.
If a book that contains known forgeries is being used to teach morality, it *does* undermine it's moral authority.
+Aaron Parker Because the capacity for humans to make up reasons for why facts are wrong is endless.
@SuperDukka plz till me more
Outstanding lecture and follow-up discussion. Thank you.
"I guess that's why I'm a theologian and not a New Testament expert." Wow. Kinda says it all right there and he didn't even realize the irony. You'd think if those books were truth with a capital T, you'd want to be an expert in them...
Just the presentation is magnifically elegant. I thank you.
Dr Alan brings out the best in Dr Bart
Very interesting. I don't agree with the argument that theology and history are two different "games", and one doesn't have influence on the other. I think facts are the only game in town (be it facts about history, or science), and they should be the starting point of any conversation.
In a sense I agree, but I think it's important to concentrate on the part's of believes, that actually influence other people. There are part's of a believe, that I can't understand like the idea of an afterlife, that aren't in them selves harmful.
So, I think his approach is a more realist's approach.
There's an uneasy tension between the Moderator and Ehrman, and it makes me feel like this wasn't an ideal match up. I thought maybe it was cos he's a theologian whilst Bart is a historical scholar, but Ehrman talks about his theologian friends to the point it seems like it shouldn't be that hard to find one who gets on well with a scholar.
I really like how he answers about Jesus existence question... God blesses this man
Thank you for these videos. Very interesting and educational.
I really enjoy him .. but the first 5-10 min I have to pass about that student quiz pop stuff .. otherwise it’s a great listening
I still wish dr. Ehrman tries to give a "historical" study for the Quran , a very powerful book that has amazed great thinkers since 1400 years AND which has many historical evidences similar to dr. Ehrman's findings.
Thank you for your lectures and for trying to be an objectively Independent & Responsible researcher.
although the people mocked and laughed when the Quran was mentioned. How is it that the Quran says 1400 years ago, long before the christian scholars "woe to those who write the book with their own hands and ascribe it to Allah" and the christians say that Mohhamad wrote the Quran even though he could not read or write and there were no bibles in arabic at the time, Then they say the Quran is plagirised from the bible yet the stories are different and more logical, if it took 50 odd anonymous authors hundreds of years to compile the OT and NT then Mohhameed did really well to get all the points proven by Barts research over 30 years. Allah does exist and so did Jesus or Esa bin Maryam. we muslims know that mohhamed did not make up the quran. it is the entire word of God. if anyone wants the authentic word of God, please check out the Quran and dont listen to the media because they did the same to Jesus. slandered and libelled and given no human rights and dignity.
I also wished this. But to study the Quran could be dangerous. Prof. Ehrman would study the Quran historically and would follow where the evidence leads him. May be the outcome of that study would not please everyone. No one wants to have a fatwa issued to him.
Al Gebra Al Jibar, you are using an islamic name. are you muslim. becasue if you are a muslim and know anything about Islam, The Quran and the Sunnah staand up historically and spirituallly, there is a book about Rasool Allah which does not mention at all the miracles nor amazing things that happened of a supernatural nature, even then just the way the religion developed and chnaged the people on the power of one humble man and grew to rule the known world of the time with similar rules to what the west has today in just one hundred years speaks for itself and Bart has to know Arabic to get the true picture, tafseers are good but only as good as the age they were produced and always have to be updated to cover the newest truths as they emerge. i.e. so this is what is meant by a certain verse which had previously been Ghaib.The main difference between Christian scriptures and islamic is that the Quran is the same in a living language with its super extensive vocablulary so there is no risk of it being misunderstood and misconstured. also the Ahadith have to have an authentic chain of narration. most of the Sahabah have a living genealogy and also their own recorded life stories. the collections of ahadith and their interpretations are a science in themselves and there are plenty of recordings of them and their authenticity. what is a fatwa, it is a religous ruling based on what is allowed in islam and what not. you see you are falling for the Christian Evangelical wolves in sheeps clothing talk, they know nothing but pretend to know everything and they mock the religion of islam because they are ignorant and arrogant.
they are the ones engaged in this latest crusade because they wish the world to end and for them to be lifted up for a "rapture" a complete and utter lot of tosh and made up and these people fund the israeli state and anti islamic propaganda . i.e. bring up a case of a non practicing muslim misdeamanor and report it again and again again for days but will not report the year long genocide taking place in Central African REpublic against the muslims there. the UN recognises this is happening but will not send in anyone until September. by that time all the muslims in that place will have been culled.
Al Gebra If Bart reports the thing truthfully he will see that all the points he makes about christianity, Allah has been telling us for 1400 years. Bart has had all the thousands of relgious scriptures to hand to study and decide . Mohhamad SAW whom they accuse of plagiraising from the bible and of having written and made up the Quran himself was illiterate and there were no printed copies of the bible for him to study in arabic. it is only Allah that could have said about the christians and jews, " woe to the scribes who write the book with their own hand and ascribe it to Allah". We have no fear because we have the truth and Allah protects his religion himself.
nobody takes it away until he decides to do so. Kissinger said in the sixties , if you can keep a population in fear, they will giveup their civil liberties in exchange for security. that is waht the war on tewwa is about and only after collapse of USSSR.
Man! you said everything that i was going to say.
The Christians theologians who debates Dr. Ehrman about the gospel truth often beg the question by painting both books with the same brush after continuous fail attempts to defend the Bible.
The Quran invites everyone to find errows and contradictions in it.
It`s an open invitation especially to those who dont want to believe in God`s truth for no solid reason.
They will believe as long as they want to believe and they don't want to give up their worldview - no matter how much evidence speaks against it!!
Dear adjudicator,
It's not about you.
You need to hear this.
He's a Theologian, of course he thinks it's all about him.
Why does that theologian host Dr. Jones seem so hostile towards Dr. Ehrman
Bart for President
It’s a big worry among Christians that there are problems with the Bible..kind of sad!
33:20 The question was about people writing history in the first century, while Lucian lived in the second century.
The problem with (English only knowing) people is that they refuse to learn any other language! You cann NEVER be. A non believer, atheist or agnostic if you know the Bible in its original languages. ! Hebrew and Greek!
The man has a very strong memory, he tells the exact same interesting stories in the exact same words!
Poor, poor moderator, having his bubble burst. “Bart, aren’t you now being a literalist like you were when you were a fundamentalist”?
Matthew 16
11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
why do fundamentalist believe the bible is gods word when those who wrote it can't agree what Jesus said or did our even went when he died what time what day what his last words were if he claimed he was gods son or not who wrote the gospels when how long after the events they describe.
The gospels were written by the apostles
Of who.could not have been more closer to the events.
Also add to that what ever they said whats their chain of narration.
@SuperDukka nailed it!!!
I PRETTY MUCH SAID EVERY WORD YOU SAID LAST NIGHT WHILE LYING IN BED..WOW!
AT LEAST A FAIL SAFE.. MM MM MMM
@@raysalmon6566 -- definitely not written by disciples of Jesus. Authors of the gospels never met Jesus.
why the gospel written in the name of peter, inaddition to peter 1 and 2, not added in the bible?
I really love this lecture and Q&A. Thanks...
I think that the Nicean Council was skeptical about including too "fictional" accounts in the canon. Like Peter s apocalypse. Even John s apocalypse which almost didn t make it in the canon. Let s not forget that Christianity was not yet all powerful, and that schools and philosophers were still very active. People who would heavily doubt and debate Christian stories and "miracles".
If he had studied further that day, he would have found there was no discrepancy.
Just goes to show, extreme pessimism, and scholarship does not go hand in hand.
One really cant make critical judgments about something they really don't understand. The Theology is just as important as it's history.
"Just goes to show, extreme pessimism, and scholarship does not go hand in hand." I think the word you are looking for is critical thinking. And yes, it's actually considered a good thing in scholarship - unlike in fundamentalist church societies where I'm guessing you have received your "education" about the New testament.
Both these men are way too serious for this, but when the interlocutor asked "Can you imagine a religion being made from, say, Star Wars?" he could suddenly feign choking, and Bart would say "I find your lack of faith disturbing".
People haven't yet written any books in Ehrman's name, but there's a meme across social media with his name and face tacked on it. In response to that, and other people misusing his already existing writings, he wrote a book.
The truth finally prevails.
Many many years before the emergence of prof Bart Ehrman, the late Sheikh Ahmad Deedat had eloquently unveiled the misquotations, lies, fabrications, contradictions, forgeries and innovations found in the bible.
Thanks to professor Ehrman for reaffirming. What an amazing co-incident.....!!
Wondering how many of his students loose their faith in the process... 🤔
It should strengthen their faith, as it is a quest for truth, which is incorruptible and untainted by the ambitions of mankind and their theological biases
Haha, the response to the "Whatabout the qur'an?" question was priceless... the only time I saw Dr Jones smile.
What a smarmy moderator.
My question for Dr. Ehrman is how does he knows that the rest of the letters of Paul weren't his? What kind of evidence he shows to say that? I didn't understand really if he said something. Thanks.
this is down to many factors, how old the copies are, the type and style of language used , as this helps to date it to near or way out from when he was alive , and also the theology - if it completely contradicts the mainstream writings to such an extent , it is more likely to be dodgy , created by those who had their own slant and agenda to push forward.
The 7 letters are the majority of scholars agree on not just Barts take on them.
"When I stop valuing my life?" Wont you ask the so many priests and "intellectuals" who made a career of attacking and propagandizing Islam how they manage?
in ISLAM both matter , the writer/speaker and the writing , so the crucified jesus can not be the messiah since messiah means simply king of the jews , and the previous not only never mad it but has been killed in the most humiliating manner . Always good to see honesty and objectivity .
This is so good. Wow. My hat is removed for you, sir.
You dont have to be a doctor to recognise some of the obsurdities. Made of clay of the ground, born of a rib, virgin birth, walking on water etc. Son of a sky God, yet there is a geneology. Rudolf had a red nose, yeah yeah
I don't think Peter had a secretary but we do hear iirc in the Socratic dialogues, that wealthy Athenians had slaves who would record the wise words of the sophists for which their masters were paying large sums of money.
Nothing in the text, i.e. internal evidence, points to the author of Mark being Peter's secretary.
Disrespectful he doesn’t refer to Bart as Dr Erhman while he has PhD displayed on his name tag.
They're peer-level guys; he doesn't have to kiss his @$$....
The "Seven Letters" should be called "The bones thrown to the Christians by lazy Historians". The TRUTH is, all one can say about them is that they appear to be written by the same person. NO DATE, NO NAME.
Wish I understood why Christians and these historians ignore the influence of Kabbalah in St. John .. the book of revelation . Ezequiel and the book of Genesis ..
Good work, fellas.
In regards to the Roman Census at Jesus birth,
Additional evidence also seems to suggest that Quirinius served as governor twice which would then put him in an official position over Syria to enact the census of Luke 2:2. In 1784, a Latin inscription was discovered near Tivoli, located about twenty miles east of Rome. It is known as the Lapis Tiburtinus inscription, and according to Jack Finegan it, “…contains the statement of a high Roman official that when he became governor of Syria he entered the office for the second time (Latin, iterum). It has even been thought that this personage might have been Quirinius…”
Whatever the identity is of the Roman official mentioned in the inscription, at minimum shows that it was not uncommon for Roman procurators to have served twice, and maximally it may eventually reveal that it was Quirinius himself, through further research.
I really like this interviewer.
Just WHERE IS Prester John???
an LDS jewish friend of mine from FB told me that SUPERMAN by joe shuster & jerry siegel was inspired by the jesus tales that's why he's wearing his underwear outside which probably inspired all other american superheroes to wear their underwear that way
Few poplw understand that there are TWO VERSIONS of Paul being let down by a basket from the wall of Damascus. And so I ask you, which is correct; 1) Acts 9:23-25, or 2) 2nd Corinthians 11:32. Was it: 1) "the Jews", or wasn't it really King Aretas of Nabatea (Petra = Arabia) who was really chasing Paul? In Galarians 1:17-20, Paul swears that "by God"--he just came from Arabia!
Perhaos Paul should be renamed as "The Father of World Anti-Semitism", for he openly slandered Moses, Jews, and the 10 Commandments, which he called "a MINISTRY OF DEATH, CARVED IN STONE"--commandments that Jesus always praised as an "index of righteousness". Wasn't Paul actually always AGAINST RELIGIOUS LAWS, which Jesus himself conformed to? And wasn't he a Pharisee, one of the group of hypocrites Jesus always WARNED ABOUT?
Paul was Roman butt-kisser, for he was a Roman citizen and he not only knew that by he was even a travelling companion of King Herod's half-brother, MANAEN (ACTS 13:1)--the same Herod who condemned Jesus.
Paul is very open about the fact that he started out as a persecutor of Christians and didn't see the light until he ... well, saw the light. He basically spent the rest of his life making amends for those transgressions against " the people of God's Church" as he called the Christians later.
Jesus and Paul taught two different theologies. Jesus was a practicing Jew and simply a teacher or perhaps a reformer. Paul invented a new religion.
Good that every one appreciates the professor, manly Didat Ahmad says the same thing but every one was against him. Simply because hi is Muslm.
marco skotti good point
oh please, ahmed deedat had nothing on the scholarship of ehrman, and was himself a snakeoil salesman for his religious nonsense
John Smith - Many many years before the emergence of prof Bart Ehrman, the late Sheikh Ahmad Deedat had eloquently unveiled the misquotations, lies, fabrications, contradictions, forgeries and innovations found in the bible.
Thanks to professor Ehrman for reaffirming. What an amazing co-incident.....!!
@@othmanahmad85
And what is Islam if not yet another fabrication based on the other 2 Abrahamaic religions that ripped off so many other Mesopotamian and Mediterranean religions before them?
I have some difficulties in taking someone seriously when they spot bullshit in others religion but not in their own. This suggest that they are biased. Doesn't matter what their religion is.
Bart for pope
The video title led me to believe this was about his book Jesus, Interrupted. Not his book forged. I am going to start FORGED soon, but this video isn't what I wanted. Still a good video though.
I'm looking for a realistic enlightenment, understanding and reaching Heaven's Gates for my own Eternal Bliss I need the knowledge / guidance don't get me wrong I know the basics but even wise man will tell you knowledge is the key.
Anyone who is planning to go into a religious celibacy should watch.
Isn't Lying for Jesus the whole basis of Christian Apologetics?
Yes
Does anyone else feel that the other guy was kinda condescending?
The professor’s comment regarding Islam was quite condescending. To say that when he stops valuing his life is when he’ll consider investigating the Quran is rude!!!!
"when he stops valuing his life"?
So you think valuing one's life is a negative thing?
Rude but true.
Funny story about Star Wars being a religion: here in Australia, we have a census every 5 years in which the whole adult population is surveyed. Some years ago, someone suggested nominating "Jedi" as one's religion in the question asking about one's religious affiliation. It became somewhat of a movement on the internet - people probably still do it do this day.
each party rejoicing in that which is with itself
Everyone knows Joan Of Ark was Noah's mother.
There are some cuts, why?
Well, studying Jesus s actually way more easy than studying (and understanding(!)) Immanuel Kant - and I am actually german
Good one!
Xhanthan simplicity of truth is the purest form of intellectual elegance. The ability for sermon on the mound to convey a deep human goodness, historical or fictional, truly measures beyond modernity’s best philosophers
Muslims around, listen to this: 41:14 over and over again, and ask yourselves about your quran.
Bart was born from a virgin, he is the biblical God. Thanks Bart...would be interesting to hear your 10 commandments
May I ask, as I'm slightly confused, I was under the impression that you were a born again christian? however you say that you are an agnostic?
Kirsten,
In the introduction Bart explains that he came to a place of disbelief. He explains why also.
The Jews and Christians got Jesus all wrong. Jews rejected him as the Messiah. The Christians made him into son of god/trinity/god. The Muslims view him as the mighty messenger of Allah, was not crucified, was not god/son of god. He was given the Gospel, sent only to the Jews, but it was lost and corrupted, he will return End of Time!!!
what accent does the first speaker have? sounds old timey high class american lol
PETEER COULD HAVE HAD A SCRIBE, RIGHT? HIS TESTIMONY.
I have always wondered why God showed Joseph how there would be famine in Egypt and not how the next Pharaoh would persecute them .
Or anything at all about germs. He kept that bit under his vest for millenia.
He didnt say to Joseph but to Abraham his grand grand father
Genesis 15 13
Then the Lord said to Abram, “Know this for certain, that your offspring shall be aliens in a land that is not theirs, and shall be slaves there, and they shall be oppressed for four hundred years;
The Book of Revelation? Bart if you don't Have the Holy Spirit of God who is the Author that move these Holy man to write them how are you ever going to understand the mystery of godliness????
● standing outside of my gate of my house and trying to tell me about my doorway, hallway, kitchen, livingroom, dining room, bathroom recreation room is a dumb stupid way to know me?
Come on in you are invited Jesus is the doorway, now walk in yo see my father, Holy Spirit movements
You came to know about the Holy Spirit of God possibly through the bible, but how do you know that you can only understand the bible if you have the Holy Spirit, if you only know the Holy Spirit as a result of reading the bible?
What a pompous, self important, arrogant comment that is. “How can you possibly know god as well as I do unless you agree with me about what’s true?” Is an obnoxious, nonsense form of public preening, it is intellectual masturbation without the intellectual part, it is definitely not an actual argument
Those who have entered through the narrow gate cannot take so seriously all what Mr Ehrman says. The scriptures have been left open for evil criticism in God’s purpose for those who do not believe the entire truth written in it.
Human intellectuality cannot match the spiritual interpretation although seem reasonable at all.
Why does the bible have so many mistakes and contradictions? Seems more human than divine.
Or the Bible just contains contradictions. Grow up.
John 8:31-32 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Truth Will Set You Free
31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
And Superman said his name is Kal-El and came from the planet Krypton... just because it's written somewhere, it doesn't make it true.
The bible is full of such bizarre myths. The account given by Dr. Erhman pertaining to the angels as tall as our heaven is a typical example of naivity. It is clearly evident from the description of the writer who lived 2 thousand years ago, has virtually no knowledge of the universe. It is difficult for one to comprehend how highly educated individuals who has immense knowledge of science, could actually take such myths at face value.
Boy Wonder What are you talking about? That's his entire point, that the ignorant ancient people's wrote and believed these absurd things. I'm not sure I know what you are trying to say.
Because of one man's ( Adam's ) disobedience ( sin ) every other human is under the curse of sin which is spiritual death. Because of one man's ( Jesus Christ ) obedience ( the one who never sinned ) he has broken the curse and gives life ( spiritual life - eternal life ) to those who believe and receive by faith. He ( Jesus ) now makes that person righteous in the eyes of the Father because that person now has excepted the righteousness of Christ as the only way to enter the kingdom of light. The only way to enter the kingdom of light is by being born again ( born of the Spirit ). The only one's that will suffer eternal torment are the one's who refuse to believe the truth.
Romans 5:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Galatians 1:4
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Nonsense.
apostolic constitution written in 380ce
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58:58 A memorable moment right here.
Lol
TIME IS FUNNY ......I WOULD LIKE IF THE GOOD DOCTOR GOT INTO FOOD AND THE INFLUENCE IT HAS HAD THREW-OUT TIME UP TO NOW
Brilliant !
Please debate John MacArthur, that guy is telling lies left and right
Isn’t the Joan of Arc being Noah’s wife a Bill and Ted joke?
The whole discussion becomes irrelevant when, as I, you're an atheist and do not believe in a god. The NT as the OT are as from that point become fantasy.
I love Bart Ehrman and have immense respect for him and his work. But his argument for Jesus historicity that he gives here fails. I says that no one would make up a story about the Messiah that had him killed by the authorities, since this went against all expectations for what the Messiah would do. I understand the point he is trying to make. But obviously it would not be possible to make up a story where the Messiah had come and overthrown the Romans and set up Gods Kingdom on earth when that obviously had not happened. The Romans were still around. Things were still shit. Thus IF one was to make up, or have visions of, a story one COULD NOT meet the expectations on the Messiah since it be obvious to everyone that it was untrue. Now, of course, Jesus is said to have conquered the greatest force of all time: DEATH. So in a sense this Messiah DID fullfil the expectations, but in a more poetic way. Most Jews however looked at this story and said: "Nah. Not our guy." It was mostly the Greek-speaking gentiles that really found this appealing later on.