A solid shot that would fit would weigh 32.4 pounds. A howitzer does not fire solid shot, but lighter anti-personnel rounds that are the same diameter as the solid shot. A 32-pounder spherical case shot weighed about 16 pounds, according to the US Army Ordnance Manual of 1862.
Not bad accuracy, not pin driving but still pretty good for a smooth bore. Still a 30 lb shell is like a 30 lb hand grenade being given to you at mach 1.5. Here dude catch! Boom!
I had headphones on and that sound made me jump. Just imagine 40 of these fireing at once _with no ear protection._ not to mention accually being in the line fire by these things.
Turns out it wouldn't be very fun being an archaic artilleryman considering you can't even see the destruction the cannon causes because of the smoke. .....
Okay, I probably have this all wrong, but I think of a howitzer as an artillery piece that fires indirectly in an arched trajectory. I'm assuming the definition is different for a piece like this. Or would it have been used like that originally?
You would be correct. The regular "cannon" you would see fired directly at enemy lines, without much of an arc or trajectory. Mortars fired at a very high angle, often to bypass enemy defenses and walls to hit their targets. Howitzers were somewhere in between, firing at an angle not as steep as a mortar, but not firing in a direct line towards the enemy.
The Dragoon In the Civil War these type of weapons were usually used by he Calvary for there compactness. This one is being live fired in competition at Fort Shenandoah home of the North-South Skirmish Association. It fired a 50 5v at 200 yards.(V is the bullseye. It was one of many weapons that are used in competition there from revolvers to artillery that were used in the Civil War. New versions are the ones that lob shells.
not really, these cannons fired canister shot primarily which was basically a can full of metal balls. It basically turned the cannon into a giant shotgun.
Somewhere in heaven, Henry Hunt and E.P. Alexander are looking on approvingly. I can only imagine the havoc these guns must've wrought on men and on fixed defences.
In antique cannons that have no recoil-absorbing mechanism, the recoil is proportional to the mass x velocity of the projectile, all divided by the total mass of all the parts of the cannon that recoil. For two cannons of different weights that fire the same weight projectile at the same initial velocity, the lighter cannon will recoil more than the heavier cannon.
I was manning, as gunner, a 2 1/4 Tredegar mountain rifle on the other end of the line in this relay and when they touched that gun off, it felt like I had just been slapped by a giant hand over my entire body. I was about 120 yards to the left and I began to pay careful attention when Charlie wouldsend one down range. After the match, i went over to it and felt like a kid looking down the barrel of drainage pipe, I could litteraly fit my entire head i side that barrel.
It looks legit according to the plan drawings in "Artillery for the Land Service of the United States" by Brevet Major Alfred Mordecai. This one and the illustrated 32 pounder have a very distinctive 4" reinforcing band 4/5ths from the muzzle (breech end). Overall length from muzzle to breech should be about 75". Just need the length on the one in the video to confirm.
Man that looks fun! I've fired a reproduction Model 1841 12-lb, and an original Prairie, but never anything live, just blanks. My unit is thinking of maybe firing our 12 lb at some point. The Prairie has been live-fired i the past, but belongs to another unit.
Our company, Springfield Arsenal LLC, sells original cannon tubes. We need to know your price range before answering fully. We don't have the one you want but when you find that one, make sure you have your checkbook handy.
How many rounds til the barrel wears out? I was told many armies liked the bronze because it was simpler maintain and was recast when "furrowed" or shot out. Beautiful piece of Artillery.
The United States never called any of their ships first or second rates. The Royal Navy did. The US called them frigates. Furthermore, the US only ever had 10 ships of the line ever in its history, spread across over 100 years. 1 in revolutionary war, 4 after war of 1812, and the remaining 5 built in the 1820-40s. Largest was USS Pennsylvania with 104 32lbers (~first rate), second largest USS Independence with 90 32lbers (~second rate). Although the US never called them 1st/2nd rates.
At least one 32-lb was used at Ft. Davidson in '64 in Battle of P[lot Knob Mo. It was double=shotted and sent 64 lbs of iron nto a 6-lb gun on Iron Mtn. John Wagner of Florissant, Mo. wanted to sell me this reb gun for $10,000 back in the 80's. He had restored the damaged gun, reenacted a while and ended up selling the gun to the state. It was at Ft. Davidson on display.
Same Caliber? Yes. Type of gun? Certainly not. The gun in the video is a howitzer. Victory and others used Blomefield pattern long-guns. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32-pounder_56_cwt
The US purchased 20 of these model 1844 howitzers, of which 9 survive.
2:39 you can see the ball in flight, NICE
A solid shot that would fit would weigh 32.4 pounds. A howitzer does not fire solid shot, but lighter anti-personnel rounds that are the same diameter as the solid shot. A 32-pounder spherical case shot weighed about 16 pounds, according to the US Army Ordnance Manual of 1862.
Nice! Keep those on hand, guys. We might need them to lay siege to Washington one of these days! Ha!
This comment aged well.
Not bad accuracy, not pin driving but still pretty good for a smooth bore.
Still a 30 lb shell is like a 30 lb hand grenade being given to you at mach 1.5.
Here dude catch!
Boom!
solid piece. thank you
I had headphones on and that sound made me jump. Just imagine 40 of these fireing at once _with no ear protection._ not to mention accually being in the line fire by these things.
Beats the crap out of firecrackers!
Yes they were used during the CW. I think if you look for pix of them you will find them defending fixed fortifications.
Certainly, those are not anti-personnel?
wonder whats heavier?The cannon ball or the firers belly?
I can only imagine the canister shot that beast would shoot.
I would love to play a part in this
Good video. I'm surprised none of those people are wearing ear protection.
Same. Unless they are already deaf.
It would be cool to have one of those.
Only if you have a minimum of 6 friends.
Get a 1835 or 1838 model if you only have a few buddies.
daggone murricah....apple pie, baseball, democracy....howitzer competition
Turns out it wouldn't be very fun being an archaic artilleryman considering you can't even see the destruction the cannon causes because of the smoke. .....
Do you have clues where one would be looking for original barrels? Like a british rev-war 6pdr?
A full charge for one of these guns was 10 lbs.
That's a decent little self-defense gun I guess.
Okay, I probably have this all wrong, but I think of a howitzer as an artillery piece that fires indirectly in an arched trajectory. I'm assuming the definition is different for a piece like this. Or would it have been used like that originally?
You would be correct. The regular "cannon" you would see fired directly at enemy lines, without much of an arc or trajectory. Mortars fired at a very high angle, often to bypass enemy defenses and walls to hit their targets. Howitzers were somewhere in between, firing at an angle not as steep as a mortar, but not firing in a direct line towards the enemy.
The Dragoon In the Civil War these type of weapons were usually used by he Calvary for there compactness. This one is being live fired in competition at Fort Shenandoah home of the North-South Skirmish Association. It fired a 50 5v at 200 yards.(V is the bullseye. It was one of many weapons that are used in competition there from revolvers to artillery that were used in the Civil War. New versions are the ones that lob shells.
Charles Kettering A 32 pounder is very heavy, especially for mounts. Horse artillery was usually limited to 3 or 6 pounders.
Edit: I think.
The Dragoon I think what I was trying to say that these were still meant for level firing.as opposed to the latter ones were meant to lob.
Technically they are gun howitzers meaning they have characteristics of both
what are the targets made out of? looks like sheetrock.
Heavy Artillery is very effective.
Too bad the camera's audio does the cannon blasts no justice.
Accuracy at close range must be a modern day interest....back in the day I don't think it made any difference.
not really, these cannons fired canister shot primarily which was basically a can full of metal balls. It basically turned the cannon into a giant shotgun.
Big ole' hog.
Somewhere in heaven, Henry Hunt and E.P. Alexander are looking on approvingly. I can only imagine the havoc these guns must've wrought on men and on fixed defences.
I get mine mostly from other collectors. The 32 pounder isn't mine though-that's the only one of those in a private collection as far as I know.
In antique cannons that have no recoil-absorbing mechanism, the recoil is proportional to the mass x velocity of the projectile, all divided by the total mass of all the parts of the cannon that recoil.
For two cannons of different weights that fire the same weight projectile at the same initial velocity, the lighter cannon will recoil more than the heavier cannon.
Thus a lighter cannon will wear out it's carriage sooner.
I was manning, as gunner, a 2 1/4 Tredegar mountain rifle on the other end of the line in this relay and when they touched that gun off, it felt like I had just been slapped by a giant hand over my entire body. I was about 120 yards to the left and I began to pay careful attention when Charlie wouldsend one down range. After the match, i went over to it and felt like a kid looking down the barrel of drainage pipe, I could litteraly fit my entire head i side that barrel.
Are you sure that's not a 24 Pounder Field Howitzer?
WAS THINKING THE SAME.
It looks legit according to the plan drawings in "Artillery for the Land Service of the United States" by Brevet Major Alfred Mordecai. This one and the illustrated 32 pounder have a very distinctive 4" reinforcing band 4/5ths from the muzzle (breech end). Overall length from muzzle to breech should be about 75". Just need the length on the one in the video to confirm.
The UK government and police would have kittens and send out the SAS if anyone even thought of firing a conon anywhere in the UK,blank or otherwise.
i think the reenactors get them from GAR (Grand Army of the Republic) but i know a guy in the battery he is making his own cannon
@bazilmynazzle And your point is? Or are you just demonstrating your ignorance? OH! Of course,.. that's it. Nevermind. LOL!
Man that looks fun! I've fired a reproduction Model 1841 12-lb, and an original Prairie, but never anything live, just blanks. My unit is thinking of maybe firing our 12 lb at some point. The Prairie has been live-fired i the past, but belongs to another unit.
I certainly wouldn't want to be on the business end of this gun.
Our company, Springfield Arsenal LLC, sells original cannon tubes. We need to know your price range before answering fully. We don't have the one you want but when you find that one, make sure you have your checkbook handy.
How many rounds til the barrel wears out? I was told many armies liked the bronze because it was simpler maintain and was recast when "furrowed" or shot out.
Beautiful piece of Artillery.
Depends on how tight fitting the ammo was to the bore, as well as the hardness of components in relation to the sabot system.
Yeah. God Bless America!!!
I was a civil war reenactors for a while. Never got the privilege of seeing a 32 pounder fire, but that 30 pounder parrot was loud!!
Haha nice cannons imagen the smoke upon firing 10 of those a once!
this "32 pounder" is awfully small compared to one that i KNOW is a 32 pounder at fort macon...built from oricinal blue prints..just sayin...
The 32 pounder you "KNOW" at fort Macon is a 32-Pdr. sea-coast gun, not the 32-Pd. field howitzer as shown in this video.
The approver was at a gun club meeting, just got back.
The United States never called any of their ships first or second rates. The Royal Navy did. The US called them frigates. Furthermore, the US only ever had 10 ships of the line ever in its history, spread across over 100 years. 1 in revolutionary war, 4 after war of 1812, and the remaining 5 built in the 1820-40s. Largest was USS Pennsylvania with 104 32lbers (~first rate), second largest USS Independence with 90 32lbers (~second rate). Although the US never called them 1st/2nd rates.
God bless the men who keeps history alive. Lose our history, both good and bad, we'll repeat the same mistakes over and over
At least one 32-lb was used at Ft. Davidson in '64 in Battle of P[lot Knob Mo. It was double=shotted and sent 64 lbs of iron nto a 6-lb gun on Iron Mtn. John Wagner of Florissant, Mo. wanted to sell me this reb gun for $10,000 back in the 80's. He had restored the damaged gun, reenacted a while and ended up selling the gun to the state. It was at Ft. Davidson on display.
It's probably using only a half charge or less for safety reasons, plus the audio is certainly equalized. They are definitely extremely loud!
I can imagine the huge amount of gun smoke from cannon and musket shot in the battlefield.
Looks like a fun day in the field from a nursing home.
Neat hobby!!
do u have any krupp breechloaders that were used in the franco prussian war?
@TheSlaytanicTom Depends on what ammo was used and how good the gunner was.(they were usually pretty good)
I would love to hear the 1812 with these as the cannon.
Do you have any guess in what order of Magnitude Prices for such Barrels usually range?
Once you own one,you will never want to be without it.
Pretty lethal for something out f the 1800's
Yes, those are 'wadcutter" cannon balls! :)
I want to see live action how would that go.
For those about to rock...
cool !
Would this cannon have been in service during the war with Mexico (1836)?
Knuckle_Bump ....Yes , my CIVIL War Reinactment unit had a 1840 six pounder we restored. At least 1 mile aimed range.
this could have served during the war with mexico in the late 1840s. but not in the state of Texas revolution which was around the time of 1836.
wow... i want one
Now I wonder... does the 32-pound stand for the projectile it can shoot?
yes.
Are the cannon balls lead or steel? Can they re use them?
The cannon balls are made of iron. from what I read so far there is no indication that the balls were reused.
That's what was used on the HMS Victory.
Same Caliber?
Yes.
Type of gun?
Certainly not.
The gun in the video is a howitzer.
Victory and others used Blomefield pattern long-guns.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/32-pounder_56_cwt