Maybe not game over. What other camera manufacturers offer a 85mm 1.2. It’s silly larger and pricy AF, but if you use the 85mm in your line of work even 40% of the time, wouldn’t that be a proper investment? I’m only just now switching to mirrorless. I’ve had my 5D Mark fours for four years and most of my lenses for 3 to 6 years and my 70-200mm L II 9 years! I just sold that lens for 1000. I sold the mark IVs for 1600 and 1800 with a grip. I didn’t get the R5 because I’ve taken a good hit to my business this year. Instead I bought a used R for 1350 and a used RP for 750. Getting ROI on gear is just one part of being a successful freelance photographer. So the price of this lens is perfect for me but if I shot a ton with the 85 I would by Canons 1.2 in a heartbeat. So I agree with what you’ve stated except for the game over.
@@f0t0b0y I also think that spending thousands of dollars on L lenses is worth it. But, I don't need em. Cheap Samyang primes are already exceeding my needs.
I use this lens on my A7III and I love it. Now that it is available for Canon, I just need the R5/R6 (with IBIS) and I am ready to switch back to Canon. I am tired of dealing with Sony colors.
I barely shoot any video, but after the third update (the latest is the 4th), it improved a lot... I think still not to the level of the sony 85 1.8, but usable for real life stuff.
Dustin, thank you so so much for this review! Just purchased the Samyang 85mm F1.4 AF for my Canon EOS RP based on your review, and I absolutely LOVE this lens. By far the best lens I have owned to date. This lens is tack sharp at F1.4 and has speedy auto focus even in low light. This lens is a game changer at $700!
This was a pretty long video but didn't feel stretched. Your reviews are always very engaging and very well organized. I hope more people see you and your videos.
I watched this video about 10mo ago. I purchased this lens immediately after watching it. It’s been my go to lens both in studio and out. I’ve shared the link to video countless times. I started with it on an RP. Did amazing! Now paired with the R5, I will not ever see the need to go to the canon version. I appreciate this video and what this lens has done for me!
What a cracking new lens! Samyang has certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons with this beauty, what surprised me is how crisper the images are compared to your loyal and trusted Tamron 85mm of which was sharper then the EF85mm 1.4L that you compared it to, such is technology and how it moves forward. Photographers have never had it so good with lens and camera choices these days!
I ended up buying one of these two weeks ago to pair with my RP and the R5 I plan to buy early next year. I am in love with the way it renders. Such a massive step forward in image quality from my EF 85mm f/1.8, and I’m nailing focus much more consistently than I was with the copy of that lens that I owned before buying the Samyang. Very pleased. Thanks for the great video. Content like this helps me to more intelligently invest.
I was waiting for this lens and I was waiting for it to be reviewed either by you or christopher frost .. Thanks a lot Mr. Dustin Abott .. If you be here in Myanmar any time soon this year, would be glad to treat you for this video .. Thanks again ..
I’ve read the flaring can be bad especially shooting into direct sunlight. I love taking sunset and golden hour photos so I’m not sure to buy this one or wait for canons new 85mm f/2 coming in October
Really appreciate this review, as well as your others. I was getting ready to sell one of my kids to pay for a new Canon RF 85mm. Now with this option, I get to keep him around AND I get a great new lens to boot. It’s a win/win. 😉
Great and thorough review of the lens Dustin as always! I couldn’t help not noticing the 100 Greek drachmas note on the right bottom corner of your test shots which brought me some nostalgia. :) I appreciate the time and effort that you’re committing to all your reviews and I’m always watching them before making a decision to buy one for myself!
Of course this lens that I own and LOVE on my Sony is now available on the RF system....AFTER I already purchased the RF 85mm 1.2! 😅 I’m not complaining however...😎
Dustin Abbott Well I certainly hope so... I mean... This is the 6th 85mm I’ve purchased from your reviews... Going back to the original Sigma 85 EX... 😅 You’re just THAT good...
Anyone with any doubt the lens is compatible with all RF mount systems I have tried this on my EOS R, R6, R6 MKII, and R5 I have had no issues the lens is great worth the money I was lucky to buy it off someone for 500 bucks and it was well worth it. Good videos Dustin!
Hi Dustin, I have a copy of the Samyang 85mm F/1.4 FE for Sony, and by eyeing up the lens hood on your copy at 5:21, I think I can assert that my copy has a lens hood with the same length as the Canon version. I bought my copy in march this year.
I got both the EF version of the Samyang 14mm and the 85mm for my recently purchased Canon R5. Awesome lenses and a great price steal over the Canon & Sigma versions.
As always, a great review Dustin. Happy to hear the autofocus works so well on the samyang. Canon will have a hard time justifying the price of the RF 85mm f1.2 going forward.
I think there will continue to be a market for the high end lens (there always is), and it does have some advantages. It's great, however, that people with a tighter budget now have a good option.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Some reviewers have found that the Canon 50 1.2 has to be opened to 2.8 or more for optimal results. Seems little point in spending a great deal of money on a 1.2 lens which doesn't shine wide open.
There’s always someone willing to pay for the extra for the best. Canon would rather produce less and charge more, it keeps the brand in the premium sector.
Add a diffuser to your main light source. The light/shadows is so harsh in your videos. Soften up that light and I think you get a much better final product.
your another review of rf85 1.2, you had already done one comparison with Sony version of this len. for the image quality comparison starts from 22:40, it seems more different than here shows, especially for the contrast, can you explain more? is it because of the Sony body or more pixels or something else? thanks
@@DustinAbbottTWI ok, so the real test for this Len would be on R5 body. interested in both, would like to see your review this len on R5 in the near future
Is there any reason to believe that the EF version of this lens would *not* adapt well to the R lens mount? From everything I've seen in reviews, the EF lenses by Canon have adapted very well to the RF lens mount.
I finally got my Samyang dock in so I could update the firmware on my 85mm 1.4. This update made it work with the ibis and high speed shooting. The af seems to work a bit better as well. This was ALMOST the perfect update. For some reason I am not able to manual focus override after the autofocus has done it’s job. I’ve adjusted my setting and nothing works. This is a bummer. Anyone else have this issue?
The 85mm f1.2L mark 2 rf can be had in good condition used under a grand and works perfectly with rf to rf adaptor and weighs less than the new 85mm f1.2L rf......as the older canon rf 85mm is now much closer in price to the Rokinon do you the if price between the old ef 85mm+rf adapter could be had for same cost as the rokinon....which way would you go?
That's a tough call. The older Canon isn’t sharper and will have slower autofocus, but it is a beloved lens above all because of its rendering. It also sounds like a pretty strong value that you can resale down the road without taking any hit. I really like the rokinon, though, and it focuses great and produces beautiful images.
@@DustinAbbottTWI My use would be slow moving subjects who are mostely people, couples, and christmas lights.. I'd get a seperate macro capable 85mm or 100mm for food shots and way-closeup, which would have image stabailization. My main goals are bokeh, sparkle, color and contrast and when flares do occ6how pretty they look rather than speed or resolution Dollars lost per year will be important if I upgrade later but points can be added for compactness and convenience
@@DustinAbbottTWI Hi Dustin, thanks for all your works: you're just the best. Now i'm here, one question : which one (samyang rf 1.4 or ef 1.2 II) has a better "3d effect", I am looking for a lens that offers a clear separation of the character and the background . Thanks a lot:)
Great channel! I have the Eos R and use a mount for the EF lenses, but for video, EF or RF, what would you say is the best lens for product video main footage? For B-roll I use a sigma macro, but I’m looking for a sharper and clearer lens for the main footage. I appreciate your help and suggestions. 👍
Could you judge a bokeh and image quality comparison between this lens and a Canon 135mm f/2 L? A used Canon is about the same price and I'm torn between these two focal lenghts.
I haven't tested it on ALL the R bodies, but thus far it has worked on all the ones I've tested. They no longer make it because Canon threatened them. They have completely resisted all autofocus third party development on Canon.
I have the Tamron SP 85 f/1.8 and am still on the fence about the Samyang being worth the upgrade. The RF mount and f/1.4 aperture would be great. The review indicates better or equal focus performance and better sharpness. Any opinions? I am sitting on the fence.
Hi Dustin, thanks for another great review. I'm just starting to move to an RF system most likely with an R6. Here in the UK Samyang have just started an Easter sale with the 85mm RF reduced down to £479 which is an absolute bargain! I put an order in for one this morning on the strength of the review, I just need Canon to drop a saving on the R6 now...! Well, here's hoping anyway... Thanks again.
@@DustinAbbottTWI In the UK the Canon 85mm F1.2 RF is just under £2700 so its a no brainer. I already have the 85 1.2L II which is one of my favourite lenses so it'll be interesting to compare. I suspect the Samyang will be a lot sharper and have less ca etc than the older Canon EF lens.
Did they stop making this lens or something? I can only find this in either an EF mount or manual focus in an RF mount I want the auto focus with and rf mount
It's not, unfortunately. This lens is definitely superior in both optical performance (different optical formula) and autofocus performance (different AF system).
Thanks for another great review. Would love if you started sharing the raw files of the pictures you take in these reviews if It’s not too much of a hassle. The reason is so we can get a better Idea of the image quality. Every lens has its own character, for instance, subject separation, itˋs subjective to everyone but that’s why I’d like to have have the raw files to decide. Most portrait lenses have subject separation but some are better than others, but people don’t really go into that detail when reviewing, and subject separation is such a key ingredient to a beautiful image. I think that when you’re talking about the bokeh, that’s when you should include subject separation. Just saying it has a nice bokeh and showing round or oval balls in the background doesn’t really say much in my opinion, it’s hard to tell, because almost every lens’ bokeh looks pretty much the same, with subject separation it’s where it stands out.
Hi Patricio - thanks for the feedback. I occasionally share RAW files with my Patrons, but not with the general public. I provide a lot of free information publicly, and I need some special incentives for those that directly support my work.
I think so. There's been a few compatibility glitches with the new EOS R5 and R6 bodies, but there are firmware updates out already to address that. The problem is that firmware updates require their Lens Station, and the RF version of the Lens Station is hard to find in North America, though I do see UK and Europe retailers carrying it.
I did compare the Canon 1.2 and the Samyang 1.4, and I’m glad I did. The difference is really bigger. Colour is a big difference. However, with the new firmware you can’t use it on the RF mount anymore.
@@DustinAbbottTWI ‘They’? Interesting. Before I updated the firmware of the Samyang ánd the R6 (1.8.2 -> 1.8.4) it did function with some F00 errors, I could sometimes solve that F00-problem by removing the battery. Afterwards the camera gave F00 permanent. But I was not happy with the colour handling anyway. So it was no big deal to send it back. Somewhere I also had the feeling that it was specifically because of this Samyang lens. Afterwards I had the pleasure of trying the Canon RF 85mm f1.2L (DS and non-DS). I had to send them back because of the dust in the lens and the DS for stopping light.. But in retrospect I regret not keeping the DS, it was second hand only €1900 at MPB!
The Tamron's Sharpness is phenomenal. Only thing that scared me about that spooky lens is that when looking through live view everything in view jumps around even though the camera is sitting on a tripod. I thought it was picking up and earth quake when I tried to calibrate the lens but I was very wrong. That lens needs to be rebuilt.
I really miss the Control ring on Samyang 85 1.4AF( RF ) , Do u think RF to EF adaptor will support Samyang 85 1.4 EF , so I can use the control ring on adaptor
Which test chart did you use for the comparison? Also we’re your real life photos sharpened in post? If not, what were the camera raw image settings? It seems like I am never able to achieve comparable levels of sharpness with my copy of this lens or any other lenses I own including the L series lenses. Thanks Mr. Abbot eh?
The test chart is one that I created myself and use for all my reviews. I have a standard sharpening setting that I use that I develop for each camera, so I have added no additional sharpening to the Samyang results. I’m on the road right now, and so I don’t know exactly what those settings are
There is no video test :-( I had a 35 mm Samyang with Sony A7 III and AF in video was not really good, I would love to see the result with this 85 1.4 on Canon
@@DustinAbbottTWI Oh yes sorry there is also the test with the timer. It would be nice to do a test with a subject in movement in AF-C, but it's not a critism, just a wish for a next video, and maybe you are more focus on photography. Anyway your work is excellent !
I am more focused on photography, for sure, though I do try to include some video references. There are others that do a better job with covering lenses from a video perspective than me, though.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Yes it's perfectly understandable, I didn't know you before (I had a Sony and you work with Canon) so if you are focus on photography it's not your job to deal with video even if you show some AF test videos. Altough if you want to talk just a little bit more about video, just catch a video where you move forward an object and move back. One day I saw a video very informative, of course it's mainly for video shoot but if you are interesting you can check it : th-cam.com/video/zTOO_3OwqGw/w-d-xo.html Anyway, thanks for your answer and good continuation (and sorry for this perfectible english)
Thank you for the great review. I am using RP and debating between Canon EF 85mm 1.4 vs. Samyang 85mm 1.4 EF has IS vs. Samyang do not. Also, which has better image quality?
I think the Samyang is the better value, and I prefer the rendering because of lower CA. The fact that it comes in a native RF mount further pushes me that direction.
I'm not sure that 135mm F1.4 has ever been done, so 135mm F1.8 or F2 is more likely. They have a very good optical formula already for a 135mm F2 lens, so I could see that happening. 105mm F1.4 is more unlikely, though I would love a lens like that. It's an amazing portrait focal length and aperture combo.
Dustin, have you played with this lens in low light conditions? I have read about some people struggling with focus hunting compared to the Canon RF 85 f1.2 version. I would really like to purchase this lens but focus hunting would really discourage me
I haven't noticed poor AF in poor light with it, myself, though I rarely use the same lens all the time (I'm always testing something new even though I own a lot of great lenses like this one.)
It's been a few years since I reviewed that lens, and on different systems, but I would say the Samyang definitely has less CA. I personally like it better.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks, I'm planning to upgrade to the RF mount and was concerned about the availability of high quality lenses that won't break the bank... This is a welcome development.
hi there greetings from greece ,,,,,trying to find this lens but it seems i cant find it anywhere ...it isnt even listed in the samyang site.Did they stop the production? or what else?
Dustin will you be doing a review of the Canon 85 f/2? Am trying to decide between the two. I'd trade the 1 stop for the control ring if it's anything like my 135/2L
Hi Dustin, once again thank you for the great work you bring to us. I am interested in this lens, F mount version. I know it's a different design therefore I wonder if its performance can be poorer that the RF mount version. More than in the ultimate sharpness, I am interested bokeh/transitions quality, which seems great in this lens. What's your opinion? Currently I use an 85 1.8G for portraiture, it's a good honest lens, but I am tempted from the creative possibilities, the dreamy look characteristic of 1.4 lenses.
Can't wait for the R6 release. Don't do any real.video work, so the R6 is what I would lean towards. R6 with IS and this 85mm is a combo I can't wait to purchase (once I convince my wife). I hope Samyang puts out a 50mm and 35mm prime for the RF mount. Or any 3rd party lens really.
MrPanthers23 the R6 would be an awesome middle ground, it’s just a shame it’s rumored to have 20mpx.. I think 24 or 26 would have been enough but 20 is not that awesome for cropping
hey Dustin! just finished watching the great video and re-reading the blog article about the lens. Would you consider the Samyang RF85mm over the EF 85 1.8 with an adapter for general street shooting and portrait work?
@@DustinAbbottTWI Did you get any update on that topic? I asked Samyang two days ago if they will provide Firmware Updates for RF in the future and their only answer was: “Due to technical problems, we are unable to provide information on RF mounts.” Asked Rokinon the same question and their answer was: “The firmware updates are released by Samyang. Please check with them.” They confirm to still sell RF Lenses and Lens Stations, but don’t seem to care if there will be updates. Might be just a temporary problem, but currently I am not sure what to think about their customer service.
Hey, I'm wonderng about that Samyang. I've bought Eos RP and I do portraits shots. I don't know which 85 mm Will be better: Sigma 85 1.4 DG vs Canon Rf 85 F2 or Samyang RF 1.4 . Which one would you choose to portraits?
Hi Dustin. I use a canon R6 and shoot fast moving dog sports indoors and outdoors, but not for my main living. I have other lenses, but I loved the EF canon 85mm 1.2 II lens, but as you know the hit rate of AF was slow and poor. Is this a good alternative in terms of focus speed for my new canon R6? Is the expensive new 1.2 lens a lot faster in terms of AF speed with the new eye detection? Can you help? Can the Rokinon and Samyang do the job with nice quality blur and sharpness? Thanks!!
I've had good results with this lens overall, actually, though you need to be sure to have the most recent firmware for it, which might require buying the RF Lens Station if the newest firmware isn't installed.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks, Dustin. Is the rokinon different from the samyang? Are they essentially the same? Also, in your experience is the EF canon 85mm f 1.4 lens any faster AF than the samyang? Would there be any benefit to the older canon adapted mounted to the R6? Thanks!
Rokinon and Samyang are identical - just different branding. Why? I don't know. The RF version is a much better lens in every way than the EF version - optically, AF, and build.
Hey Dustin! I was considering the tamron f1.8 vc with the control ring adapter, but really like the overall lighter package here with great isolation. My issue is that ive seen people mention heavy vignetting and poor light transmission. If you were in my boots (with eos R), which would you get? Only lens I have is the ef 70-200 f2.8 IS usm. Been considering tamron 45mm f1.8 vc and 35-135mm f2.8-4 as well as a tap in base, but I keep getting told to buy native glass which has me just thinking of dropping everything for the 28-70 f2. I would look at the other non-L lenses of RF but they just compromise alot in focus speed and quality, while the L lenses cost small fortunes for me.
Thank you for great, detailed review. Was wondering if this would be replace my Sigma 85 f. 1,4 Art for the EOS R. because of the weight saving, but I feel the difference overall is to small to justify a switch. Would be nice to get rid of that EF mount adapter though.
Sorry, this is probably a very stupid question but if I have the rf24-105 f4 lens already and this lens is a 85 f4 then can't I get the same results with my 24-105 if I set it to 85mm? Or is there a benefit to having this prime lens? Cheers!
Great video Mr. Abbott! I'm considering buying a new 85mm lens and can't decide between the Samyang and the Tamron. I have EOS R without IBIS and I think the Tamron is a better choice. What do you think?
I saw your daughter's potrait on samyang website and figured that you will be the very first person to review this lens. Thanks for your extraordinary work and efforts. I clicked the b&h link but its pre-order, any idea when they will have in stock and start shipping? Thanks
I don't actually know when the lens will start shipping. Samyang is usually pretty fast with this, but the lens was just announced on Friday. It may be July before shipping starts.
@@DustinAbbottTWI i request you to answer my last question? Inwas confused between this lens and canon 85mm 1.4 is usm lens. Due to think because of the flange distance this lens would give me better quality and performance ratgwr than adapter canom 85mm 1.4 is usm l lens? Money is not a concern here i just want a better glass. Kindly help with my last query ,thanks
@@DustinAbbottTWI Many thanks for the great review! Have you been able to try the R5 in combination with the Samyang 85mm AF (RF) lens? I have seen that IBIS does not work with the Samyang 14mm f2.8 (EF) lens yet, so I am curious to know if RF lens perform better in this regard.
After watching your review on Tamron 45mm and I just bought it last night, and Im looking for 85mm lens, recently. I cant decide between Tamron 85mm or Samyang 85mm, Im looking for good rendering which is not "flat" like what the sigma 85mm has. Which one to choose? Thanks Dustin for your dedication on making videos, it is really helpful 🙏
I am really, really interested in trying this one out! I like the 85 look and 1.4 would be a first one for me! Kudos to Samyang. I have the RF 14mm and it’s very cool!
@@DustinAbbottTWI Appreciate that and the really good job you've done with this review. It wil be an interesting comparison when you get your hands on one. I'm leaning toward the Canon as I have the 35mm f1.8 macro and it really is a good lens for the money but the aperture advantage of the Samyang is holding meback a bit.
@@DustinAbbottTWI It has that data now. I bought the lens for my EOS R based on your review and I am very happy. I chose it over the Tamron, even without IS.
Which one? If you are referring to the ART (the big one), the Sigma is very slightly sharper at certain points in the frame, but is huge...and I like the bokeh better from this lens.
This Samyang is certainly a nice addition to the RF variety of glass and for sure much better (and delivers more beautiful rendering) than Sigma Art's very "flat" and boring character. One thing that you didn't mention is the obvious difference in the levels of micro-contrast between these 3 lenses. This is exactly why you have to pay $2000 more (well, plus the added bonus that the BR glass in the Canon helps render truly gorgeous skin tones) - the Canon's RF85 is just exploding in micro-contrast, which results in much richer tonal gradations and thus - much more sense for depth and "life-like" looking images. This has nothing to do with resolution (sharpness) and overall global lens contrast. To me - the micro-contrast is the most luxurious thing in a lens. This is what makes the images looking so natural that it seems the lens was somehow "invisible" and completely transparent, like there was no lens. You can see in your video when comparing the notes how richer is the image from the Canon and how weak (flat) it is from the Tamron. The Samyang holds up pretty well though. Shooting the Canon's RF85 since the day 1 following its release, I can say it is right there up to the Leica level. However, the Samyang has a very pleasing character, a bit vintage and for sure its warmer notes of rendition are very eye pleasing too. It is a fantastic lens for its price, weight and size, as well as the results it delivers. Well done Dustin and Samyang :) Keep up the good work.
There's no question that the RF85L is a special lens, but unfortunately it's price is out of range of many photographers. The Samyang will be a nice option for those with a lower budget.
13 elements on Canon's vs 11 elements on the samyang. The amount of glass effects micro contrast, as well as it's quality no doubt, but still, i would'nt say there will be much of a difference in that regard if any.
I know you're not into Nikon, which is a shame on Nikon's part that they don't recognize your in-depth analytical approach in your reviews and send you stuff; but I sure hope Samyang makes its way to the Z mount. I'm still using a Samyang 135mm f/2 F-mount adapted to the Z system via an adapter, which is great optically but manual AF which isn't great on paid shoots. Hopefully, Samyang gets on board Z-mount and hopefully, you'll start reviewing Z-mount.
Hmmm, I do hope that Samyang starts developing on Z mount soon, though that probably won't push me onto Nikon. I am currently reviewing three brands in both APS-C and full frame, or APS-C and medium format, and frankly I don't have enough time to add more.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I can understand that. There’s only so much a man can do and you’re doing a lot and to a very high standard. At least I’m happy that most 3rd party lenses end up sharing multiple platforms so what you gather in terms of characteristics and performance will roughly be similar when and if it comes out for another brand. Sigma comes to mind with their art series. They’re basically the same lenses but with a different flange.
A lot lighter, smaller than F1.2,1.4 competitors, accurate EYE-AF, no need of adapters, good image quality. Game Over.
I definitely think this one will sell some copies.
Maybe not game over. What other camera manufacturers offer a 85mm 1.2. It’s silly larger and pricy AF, but if you use the 85mm in your line of work even 40% of the time, wouldn’t that be a proper investment?
I’m only just now switching to mirrorless. I’ve had my 5D Mark fours for four years and most of my lenses for 3 to 6 years and my 70-200mm L II 9 years! I just sold that lens for 1000. I sold the mark IVs for 1600 and 1800 with a grip. I didn’t get the R5 because I’ve taken a good hit to my business this year. Instead I bought a used R for 1350 and a used RP for 750. Getting ROI on gear is just one part of being a successful freelance photographer. So the price of this lens is perfect for me but if I shot a ton with the 85 I would by Canons 1.2 in a heartbeat. So I agree with what you’ve stated except for the game over.
@@f0t0b0y I also think that spending thousands of dollars on L lenses is worth it. But, I don't need em. Cheap Samyang primes are already exceeding my needs.
Gukin Whatever works for you. But I think if that’s the case, waiting for a sigma or even tamron would be a better play.
Ill personally buy the ef version so i can adapt it with the control ring mount adapter so i get a fully fledged rf lens with all bells and whistles!
I use this lens on my A7III and I love it. Now that it is available for Canon, I just need the R5/R6 (with IBIS) and I am ready to switch back to Canon. I am tired of dealing with Sony colors.
Yes, I can't wait for for the R5, too.
How is the autofocus for video in a73? I feel ya, Sony colors is too much work..
I barely shoot any video, but after the third update (the latest is the 4th), it improved a lot... I think still not to the level of the sony 85 1.8, but usable for real life stuff.
The same ^^
I am not a Sony user, I am curious to know what's wrong with the Sony colour?
Much awaited
I never buy a lens without watching DA's review .. was waiting for it
That is really great praise. I appreciate it.
Dustin, thank you so so much for this review! Just purchased the Samyang 85mm F1.4 AF for my Canon EOS RP based on your review, and I absolutely LOVE this lens. By far the best lens I have owned to date. This lens is tack sharp at F1.4 and has speedy auto focus even in low light. This lens is a game changer at $700!
It's a fantastic value.
As a German, it was a nostalgic moment to see our 10 DM bill closeup. Very nice review. Stay safe and healthy.
I hear that often. A lot of people from Euro nations seem to miss their native currency.
I still have the very first Samyang 85mm 1.4, the one that has the gold ring. It covers the sensor of the GFX 50S.
Interesting. That's pretty cool
I use one with the gold ring on my D700. Got it for 200 from keh. This thing reminds me of the 85 1.4g.
oho , really .. thats interesting ..
This was a pretty long video but didn't feel stretched. Your reviews are always very engaging and very well organized. I hope more people see you and your videos.
Glad it was helpful!
I watched this video about 10mo ago. I purchased this lens immediately after watching it. It’s been my go to lens both in studio and out. I’ve shared the link to video countless times. I started with it on an RP. Did amazing! Now paired with the R5, I will not ever see the need to go to the canon version. I appreciate this video and what this lens has done for me!
I'm glad you are enjoying it. I just did an updated video on it a few weeks ago. th-cam.com/video/eZ5tJtHt-EA/w-d-xo.html
What a cracking new lens! Samyang has certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons with this beauty, what surprised me is how crisper the images are compared to your loyal and trusted Tamron 85mm of which was sharper then the EF85mm 1.4L that you compared it to, such is technology and how it moves forward. Photographers have never had it so good with lens and camera choices these days!
Your last point is so true.
I ended up buying one of these two weeks ago to pair with my RP and the R5 I plan to buy early next year. I am in love with the way it renders. Such a massive step forward in image quality from my EF 85mm f/1.8, and I’m nailing focus much more consistently than I was with the copy of that lens that I owned before buying the Samyang. Very pleased.
Thanks for the great video. Content like this helps me to more intelligently invest.
It's a beautiful lens, though there are a few minor compatibility issues with the R5 that they are working on firmware to correct.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Good to know, thanks.
Best lens reviews on YT! Thanks for all the hard work you put into these.
My pleasure
Hows this vs the samyang EF version ? That one is around $200 cheaper
This one is much better optically and in autofocus performance.
Impressive performance and a welcome addition to the RF lens lineup.
I definitely think so.
I was waiting for this lens and I was waiting for it to be reviewed either by you or christopher frost .. Thanks a lot Mr. Dustin Abott .. If you be here in Myanmar any time soon this year, would be glad to treat you for this video .. Thanks again ..
Thanks for the nice feedback.
I’ve read the flaring can be bad especially shooting into direct sunlight. I love taking sunset and golden hour photos so I’m not sure to buy this one or wait for canons new 85mm f/2 coming in October
It's no more flare prone than basically every other 85mm I've used.
Just preordered this one and cant wait for a 50 & 35mm 1.4 at some point.
Absolutely.
Really appreciate this review, as well as your others. I was getting ready to sell one of my kids to pay for a new Canon RF 85mm. Now with this option, I get to keep him around AND I get a great new lens to boot. It’s a win/win. 😉
That is a big win ;)
Great and thorough review of the lens Dustin as always! I couldn’t help not noticing the 100 Greek drachmas note on the right bottom corner of your test shots which brought me some nostalgia. :) I appreciate the time and effort that you’re committing to all your reviews and I’m always watching them before making a decision to buy one for myself!
From the response I get from people from the various Euro countries, I think a lot of people miss their own native currency.
Just saw the news release a couple days ago and you've already got a video ready to present. Thank you!
I was very fortunate to be an early tester for the lens.
In your opinion, which would you choose, this lens or the new Canon 85 F2 macro lens? for the EOS R?
I haven't had a chance to review the new macro lens yet, so I can't give you an informed response yet.
Of course this lens that I own and LOVE on my Sony is now available on the RF system....AFTER I already purchased the RF 85mm 1.2! 😅 I’m not complaining however...😎
If you already own the 85L, you're doing okay!
Dustin Abbott Well I certainly hope so... I mean... This is the 6th 85mm I’ve purchased from your reviews... Going back to the original Sigma 85 EX... 😅 You’re just THAT good...
Anyone with any doubt the lens is compatible with all RF mount systems I have tried this on my EOS R, R6, R6 MKII, and R5 I have had no issues the lens is great worth the money I was lucky to buy it off someone for 500 bucks and it was well worth it. Good videos Dustin!
I've had good success with it as I review the newer cameras.
I appreciate your reviews. My enjoyment of my R5 is better because of your channel.
Glad to hear it
Hi Dustin, I have a copy of the Samyang 85mm F/1.4 FE for Sony, and by eyeing up the lens hood on your copy at 5:21, I think I can assert that my copy has a lens hood with the same length as the Canon version. I bought my copy in march this year.
That's interesting. My copy was from early on, so that was obviously a change they made along the way.
I got both the EF version of the Samyang 14mm and the 85mm for my recently purchased Canon R5. Awesome lenses and a great price steal over the Canon & Sigma versions.
They are definitely good lenses.
Got this on pre order soon as It was announced. Shot with samyang AF lenses on Sony and only have high expectations for this one!
I'm glad to say they are met!
Thanks a lot. As I ordered R5, great to know there is awesome 3rd party alternative to the expensive $2700 85 f1.2
It is a a great alternative.
As always, a great review Dustin. Happy to hear the autofocus works so well on the samyang. Canon will have a hard time justifying the price of the RF 85mm f1.2 going forward.
I think there will continue to be a market for the high end lens (there always is), and it does have some advantages. It's great, however, that people with a tighter budget now have a good option.
Indeed! We need competitors as always
@@DustinAbbottTWI Some reviewers have found that the Canon 50 1.2 has to be opened to 2.8 or more for optimal results. Seems little point in spending a great deal of money on a 1.2 lens which doesn't shine wide open.
@@robertcudlipp3426 um, no. The 50 1.2 is fantastic wide open! Watch Dustin's review of it.
There’s always someone willing to pay for the extra for the best. Canon would rather produce less and charge more, it keeps the brand in the premium sector.
Great review & a fantastic value option! Awesome quality as usual Dustin - appreciate the in-depth look as always!
My pleasure!
Add a diffuser to your main light source. The light/shadows is so harsh in your videos. Soften up that light and I think you get a much better final product.
Thanks for your feedback.
Excellent Dustin as always , thank you.
My pleasure!
your another review of rf85 1.2, you had already done one comparison with Sony version of this len. for the image quality comparison starts from 22:40, it seems more different than here shows, especially for the contrast, can you explain more? is it because of the Sony body or more pixels or something else? thanks
Comparing similar pixel density definitely makes a difference, and there's also a chance that this lens is a bit sharper than the other.
@@DustinAbbottTWI ok, so the real test for this Len would be on R5 body. interested in both, would like to see your review this len on R5 in the near future
Is there any reason to believe that the EF version of this lens would *not* adapt well to the R lens mount? From everything I've seen in reviews, the EF lenses by Canon have adapted very well to the RF lens mount.
Unfortunately the EF version is not the same optically. It is inferior both in optics and autofocus.
I finally got my Samyang dock in so I could update the firmware on my 85mm 1.4. This update made it work with the ibis and high speed shooting. The af seems to work a bit better as well. This was ALMOST the perfect update. For some reason I am not able to manual focus override after the autofocus has done it’s job. I’ve adjusted my setting and nothing works. This is a bummer. Anyone else have this issue?
My RF dock is arriving this week, so perhaps I can give you an answer at that point.
I'm waiting for Canon 85mm Rf macro comparision!!!
Great job!!!
I'll probably bring the 85mm F2 in at the end of the month.
The 85mm f1.2L mark 2 rf can be had in good condition used under a grand and works perfectly with rf to rf adaptor and weighs less than the new 85mm f1.2L rf......as the older canon rf 85mm is now much closer in price to the Rokinon do you the if price between the old ef 85mm+rf adapter could be had for same cost as the rokinon....which way would you go?
That's a tough call. The older Canon isn’t sharper and will have slower autofocus, but it is a beloved lens above all because of its rendering. It also sounds like a pretty strong value that you can resale down the road without taking any hit. I really like the rokinon, though, and it focuses great and produces beautiful images.
@@DustinAbbottTWI My use would be slow moving subjects who are mostely people, couples, and christmas lights.. I'd get a seperate macro capable 85mm or 100mm for food shots and way-closeup, which would have image stabailization.
My main goals are bokeh, sparkle, color and contrast and when flares do occ6how pretty they look rather than speed or resolution
Dollars lost per year will be important if I upgrade later but points can be added for compactness and convenience
It sounds like either lens would work for your purposes. The Samyang will have higher contrast and sharpness at wide apertures.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Hi Dustin, thanks for all your works: you're just the best. Now i'm here, one question : which one (samyang rf 1.4 or ef 1.2 II) has a better "3d effect", I am looking for a lens that offers a clear separation of the character and the background . Thanks a lot:)
Great channel! I have the Eos R and use a mount for the EF lenses, but for video, EF or RF, what would you say is the best lens for product video main footage? For B-roll I use a sigma macro, but I’m looking for a sharper and clearer lens for the main footage. I appreciate your help and suggestions. 👍
I've actually used this lens for a lot of my videos. Great footage on the EOS R, and the face tracking is very smooth.
Could you judge a bokeh and image quality comparison between this lens and a Canon 135mm f/2 L? A used Canon is about the same price and I'm torn between these two focal lenghts.
Hi Dominik, I'm afraid I don't have access to the Canon 135L anymore.
Thank you for this in depth review!! Wedding photographer from Philippines!! ❤️
Glad it was helpful!
Any compatibility issues with any of the R bodies, Dustin? Samyang no longer makes this lens for some reason
I haven't tested it on ALL the R bodies, but thus far it has worked on all the ones I've tested. They no longer make it because Canon threatened them. They have completely resisted all autofocus third party development on Canon.
Im very grateful for you insights. I’m deciding between this and the tamron … both great lenses. I’m thinking 🤔 but thanks so much.
Glad to help out.
I have the Tamron SP 85 f/1.8 and am still on the fence about the Samyang being worth the upgrade. The RF mount and f/1.4 aperture would be great. The review indicates better or equal focus performance and better sharpness. Any opinions? I am sitting on the fence.
I sold the Tamron and kept the Samyang, myself.
Good advice, sir. Could I recommend a wireless mike for your videos? A lot of echo just using the camera mike.
I've never just used the camera mic, but I'd have to rewatch this video know what mic I used.
Hi Dustin, thanks for another great review. I'm just starting to move to an RF system most likely with an R6. Here in the UK Samyang have just started an Easter sale with the 85mm RF reduced down to £479 which is an absolute bargain! I put an order in for one this morning on the strength of the review, I just need Canon to drop a saving on the R6 now...! Well, here's hoping anyway... Thanks again.
Wow - that's a great price for a great lens.
@@DustinAbbottTWI In the UK the Canon 85mm F1.2 RF is just under £2700 so its a no brainer. I already have the 85 1.2L II which is one of my favourite lenses so it'll be interesting to compare. I suspect the Samyang will be a lot sharper and have less ca etc than the older Canon EF lens.
Did they stop making this lens or something? I can only find this in either an EF mount or manual focus in an RF mount
I want the auto focus with and rf mount
Unfortunately Canon has shut down everyone who has made an autofocusing RF mount lens.
How is the EF version of this lens? Should I assume it is about the same as this RF version?
It's not, unfortunately. This lens is definitely superior in both optical performance (different optical formula) and autofocus performance (different AF system).
Thanks for another great review. Would love if you started sharing the raw files of the pictures you take in these reviews if It’s not too much of a hassle. The reason is so we can get a better Idea of the image quality. Every lens has its own character, for instance, subject separation, itˋs subjective to everyone but that’s why I’d like to have have the raw files to decide. Most portrait lenses have subject separation but some are better than others, but people don’t really go into that detail when reviewing, and subject separation is such a key ingredient to a beautiful image. I think that when you’re talking about the bokeh, that’s when you should include subject separation. Just saying it has a nice bokeh and showing round or oval balls in the background doesn’t really say much in my opinion, it’s hard to tell, because almost every lens’ bokeh looks pretty much the same, with subject separation it’s where it stands out.
Hi Patricio - thanks for the feedback. I occasionally share RAW files with my Patrons, but not with the general public. I provide a lot of free information publicly, and I need some special incentives for those that directly support my work.
Seems like a great alternative to the more expensive RF 85 F1.2 and it has a red ring too.
I think so. There's been a few compatibility glitches with the new EOS R5 and R6 bodies, but there are firmware updates out already to address that. The problem is that firmware updates require their Lens Station, and the RF version of the Lens Station is hard to find in North America, though I do see UK and Europe retailers carrying it.
@@DustinAbbottTWI That's a good thing. I'm loving these modern lenses that allow focusing updates through firmware.
Is there a comparison of this lens with EF Canon lens? I mean more people are re-cycling EF lens...any advantage of using this vs EF Canon 85?
Hi Andrew - there are three current EF 85mm lenses, so you'll have to be more specific.
Hi Dustin! Do you know if this RF lens is still supported by Canon and if the autofocus works properly? Thank you!
It's never been supported by Canon, really, but it does continue to work with the recent cameras I've reviewed and works fine on my EOS R5 that I own.
I did compare the Canon 1.2 and the Samyang 1.4, and I’m glad I did. The difference is really bigger. Colour is a big difference. However, with the new firmware you can’t use it on the RF mount anymore.
What camera can't you use it on anymore?
@@DustinAbbottTWI I did experience it with the R6.
@@GableVision Interesting. They seem to still be working on my R5
@@DustinAbbottTWI ‘They’? Interesting. Before I updated the firmware of the Samyang ánd the R6 (1.8.2 -> 1.8.4) it did function with some F00 errors, I could sometimes solve that F00-problem by removing the battery. Afterwards the camera gave F00 permanent. But I was not happy with the colour handling anyway. So it was no big deal to send it back. Somewhere I also had the feeling that it was specifically because of this Samyang lens.
Afterwards I had the pleasure of trying the Canon RF 85mm f1.2L (DS and non-DS). I had to send them back because of the dust in the lens and the DS for stopping light.. But in retrospect I regret not keeping the DS, it was second hand only €1900 at MPB!
I would be interested in this or the upcoming RF 85/2 IS Macro
I look forward to reviewing that lens.
Looks like this lens is a serious contender. Can't beat that for the money.
Definitely true.
The Tamron's Sharpness is phenomenal. Only thing that scared me about that spooky lens is that when looking through live view everything in view jumps around even though the camera is sitting on a tripod.
I thought it was picking up and earth quake when I tried to calibrate the lens but I was very wrong.
That lens needs to be rebuilt.
Not sure the relevance on this video, but you aren't supposed to have VC on when you have the lens on a tripod.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Ok, actually relevant info.
You mentioned Tamron 85mm in the video. Thats why I spoke about it.
I really miss the Control ring on Samyang 85 1.4AF( RF ) , Do u think RF to EF adaptor will support Samyang 85 1.4 EF , so I can use the control ring on adaptor
I wouldn’t recommend that approach. The EF lens is not the same optically (worse) and doesn’t have as good of autofocus.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks for your valuable advice
Hi sir. How is the low light performance? Is the lens hunting a lot?
I haven't found that to be the case at all. A larger aperture like F1.4 typically allows for better low light performance.
Would you recommend this over the 85mm F2 ?
Only if you don't need the macro capabilities. As just an 85mm prime, yes, I prefer this lens.
Is the EF version of this autofocusing 85 lens same as the RF version?
Unfortunately no. The EF version is a different optical formula and isn't as good.
Which test chart did you use for the comparison? Also we’re your real life photos sharpened in post? If not, what were the camera raw image settings? It seems like I am never able to achieve comparable levels of sharpness with my copy of this lens or any other lenses I own including the L series lenses. Thanks Mr. Abbot eh?
The test chart is one that I created myself and use for all my reviews. I have a standard sharpening setting that I use that I develop for each camera, so I have added no additional sharpening to the Samyang results. I’m on the road right now, and so I don’t know exactly what those settings are
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks - I’d appreciate it if you could revisit this once you get back and get a moment
There is no video test :-( I had a 35 mm Samyang with Sony A7 III and AF in video was not really good, I would love to see the result with this 85 1.4 on Canon
There's actually multiple video segments, and the whole thing is filmed with the lens and EOS R.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Oh yes sorry there is also the test with the timer. It would be nice to do a test with a subject in movement in AF-C, but it's not a critism, just a wish for a next video, and maybe you are more focus on photography. Anyway your work is excellent !
I am more focused on photography, for sure, though I do try to include some video references. There are others that do a better job with covering lenses from a video perspective than me, though.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Yes it's perfectly understandable, I didn't know you before (I had a Sony and you work with Canon) so if you are focus on photography it's not your job to deal with video even if you show some AF test videos. Altough if you want to talk just a little bit more about video, just catch a video where you move forward an object and move back. One day I saw a video very informative, of course it's mainly for video shoot but if you are interesting you can check it : th-cam.com/video/zTOO_3OwqGw/w-d-xo.html
Anyway, thanks for your answer and good continuation (and sorry for this perfectible english)
Thank you for the great review. I am using RP and debating between Canon EF 85mm 1.4 vs. Samyang 85mm 1.4
EF has IS vs. Samyang do not. Also, which has better image quality?
I think the Samyang is the better value, and I prefer the rendering because of lower CA. The fact that it comes in a native RF mount further pushes me that direction.
Dustin, do you believe Samyang will come out with 105mm 1.4 or 135mm 1.4? I'd love to see a Samyang come out with something similiar to the Sigma Art
I'm not sure that 135mm F1.4 has ever been done, so 135mm F1.8 or F2 is more likely. They have a very good optical formula already for a 135mm F2 lens, so I could see that happening. 105mm F1.4 is more unlikely, though I would love a lens like that. It's an amazing portrait focal length and aperture combo.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks Dustin, guess I'm dreaming of the perfect aperture, truly wish the canon f/2 didn't have quirks and slow autofocusing
I really hope Samyang will also release 35 1.4 and 50 1.4 for RF mount.
I completely agree. We need good quality, reasonably priced alternatives to expensive Canon lenses.
@@DustinAbbottTWI That's true. This is the only reason why I did not buy the Canon R6 yet.
Dustin, have you played with this lens in low light conditions? I have read about some people struggling with focus hunting compared to the Canon RF 85 f1.2 version. I would really like to purchase this lens but focus hunting would really discourage me
I haven't noticed poor AF in poor light with it, myself, though I rarely use the same lens all the time (I'm always testing something new even though I own a lot of great lenses like this one.)
Dustin Abbott that’s great news. I’m really hoping this is a good alternative to the Canon version
Don't remember if you had covered this in the review, but how close is the samyang lens image quality compared to an adapted canon 85 1.4 L DSLR lens?
It's been a few years since I reviewed that lens, and on different systems, but I would say the Samyang definitely has less CA. I personally like it better.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks, I'm planning to upgrade to the RF mount and was concerned about the availability of high quality lenses that won't break the bank... This is a welcome development.
hi there greetings from greece ,,,,,trying to find this lens but it seems i cant find it anywhere ...it isnt even listed in the samyang site.Did they stop the production? or what else?
Canon has really cracked down on any third party autofocusing lenses for RF...so Samyang has, for now, stopped production.
Dustin will you be doing a review of the Canon 85 f/2? Am trying to decide between the two. I'd trade the 1 stop for the control ring if it's anything like my 135/2L
As soon as I can. I'm waiting on new stock to arrive in Canada.
Hi Dustin, once again thank you for the great work you bring to us. I am interested in this lens, F mount version. I know it's a different design therefore I wonder if its performance can be poorer that the RF mount version. More than in the ultimate sharpness, I am interested bokeh/transitions quality, which seems great in this lens. What's your opinion? Currently I use an 85 1.8G for portraiture, it's a good honest lens, but I am tempted from the creative possibilities, the dreamy look characteristic of 1.4 lenses.
Unfortunately the Canon EF and Nikon F versions of the lens are not the same optically as this lens...and aren't as good.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thank you very much
I like very much your samples at the end. Very good looking. I think It makes me want to get a R6 / RP / R
It makes beautiful photos, for sure.
can I please have access to some of the raw portraits in this video Im seriously considering buying this lens
I'm afraid not. I don't share those kinds of files.
Can't wait for the R6 release. Don't do any real.video work, so the R6 is what I would lean towards. R6 with IS and this 85mm is a combo I can't wait to purchase (once I convince my wife). I hope Samyang puts out a 50mm and 35mm prime for the RF mount. Or any 3rd party lens really.
MrPanthers23 the R6 would be an awesome middle ground, it’s just a shame it’s rumored to have 20mpx.. I think 24 or 26 would have been enough but 20 is not that awesome for cropping
Completely agree on the 35mm and 50mm primes.
Would you consider this one or Sigma 85mm f1.4 ART?
I personally like this lens better than the Sigma. It's so much smaller and gives up little performance.
Dustin Abbott wow! Yes, from your review, it seems actually sharper than the Sigma (cause it’s sooo close to the best 85, the RF)
Dustin Abbott do you know if Samyang is planning on releasing some more RF lens? Like 35mm f1.4?
Other reviews and their readers say it’s not so great on the r5/r6 with the AF.
I've found it to be excellent...after updating the firmware, though, via the RF mount LensStation.
hey Dustin! just finished watching the great video and re-reading the blog article about the lens. Would you consider the Samyang RF85mm over the EF 85 1.8 with an adapter for general street shooting and portrait work?
I personally would, absolutely.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks for the reply. Any comments or suggestions on yhe colour shift for the samyang lens compared to the Canon lens
Colors are slightly warmer, yes, but typically not in an unpleasant way.
@@DustinAbbottTWI awesome, watching your viltrox review now, how does the colour compare to that lens
Why Samyang stopped selling RF autofocus lenses? At they official page they are not listed? Any patent issues?
That's the first I've heard of it. I'll have to ask my Samyang contact
@@DustinAbbottTWI looking forward for any answers. I am using 85rf and hoping samyang 50rf will be created. In this situation it is discussable
I've sent a message to my contact.
@@DustinAbbottTWI www.canonrumors.com/samyang-appears-to-have-ceased-production-of-rf-mount-lenses/ details there, rumours i know but seems true :(
@@DustinAbbottTWI Did you get any update on that topic? I asked Samyang two days ago if they will provide Firmware Updates for RF in the future and their only answer was: “Due to technical problems, we are unable to provide information on RF mounts.” Asked Rokinon the same question and their answer was: “The firmware updates are released by Samyang. Please check with them.” They confirm to still sell RF Lenses and Lens Stations, but don’t seem to care if there will be updates. Might be just a temporary problem, but currently I am not sure what to think about their customer service.
Hey, I'm wonderng about that Samyang. I've bought Eos RP and I do portraits shots. I don't know which 85 mm Will be better: Sigma 85 1.4 DG vs Canon Rf 85 F2 or Samyang RF 1.4 . Which one would you choose to portraits?
I like the Samyang best for its combo of size and performance.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I've already bought samyang, I Hope won't to regret😊
I'm wondering which is the best choose between this Samyang and the Tamron Sp EF 85mm f 1.8 for portrait purposes. (I have a canon Rp) can u help me?
If you're on an RF mount camera, I would go with the Samyang.
Hi Dustin. I use a canon R6 and shoot fast moving dog sports indoors and outdoors, but not for my main living. I have other lenses, but I loved the EF canon 85mm 1.2 II lens, but as you know the hit rate of AF was slow and poor. Is this a good alternative in terms of focus speed for my new canon R6? Is the expensive new 1.2 lens a lot faster in terms of AF speed with the new eye detection? Can you help? Can the Rokinon and Samyang do the job with nice quality blur and sharpness? Thanks!!
I've had good results with this lens overall, actually, though you need to be sure to have the most recent firmware for it, which might require buying the RF Lens Station if the newest firmware isn't installed.
@@DustinAbbottTWI thanks, Dustin. Is the rokinon different from the samyang? Are they essentially the same? Also, in your experience is the EF canon 85mm f 1.4 lens any faster AF than the samyang? Would there be any benefit to the older canon adapted mounted to the R6? Thanks!
Rokinon and Samyang are identical - just different branding. Why? I don't know. The RF version is a much better lens in every way than the EF version - optically, AF, and build.
Hey Dustin! I was considering the tamron f1.8 vc with the control ring adapter, but really like the overall lighter package here with great isolation. My issue is that ive seen people mention heavy vignetting and poor light transmission. If you were in my boots (with eos R), which would you get?
Only lens I have is the ef 70-200 f2.8 IS usm. Been considering tamron 45mm f1.8 vc and 35-135mm f2.8-4 as well as a tap in base, but I keep getting told to buy native glass which has me just thinking of dropping everything for the 28-70 f2. I would look at the other non-L lenses of RF but they just compromise alot in focus speed and quality, while the L lenses cost small fortunes for me.
I would go for this Samyang. Don't let others put you off; it's a great lens.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thank you!
Thank you for great, detailed review. Was wondering if this would be replace my Sigma 85 f. 1,4 Art for the EOS R. because of the weight saving, but I feel the difference overall is to small to justify a switch. Would be nice to get rid of that EF mount adapter though.
If the size is a factor, the Samyang is definitely tempting. It's not quite as sharp, but I think it has nicer bokeh.
Excellent review Dustin. How does this lens compare with the canon rf 85mm f2?
I've gotten that question a lot, but I can't really answer it until I have a chance to review the RF 85 F2
Sorry, this is probably a very stupid question but if I have the rf24-105 f4 lens already and this lens is a 85 f4 then can't I get the same results with my 24-105 if I set it to 85mm? Or is there a benefit to having this prime lens? Cheers!
This is an F1.4 lens, not an F4 lens. This lens lets in 4x as much light and can create a MUCH shallower depth of field.
@@DustinAbbottTWI ah! Thank you! It's been a long day. I need to learn to read apparently!
Great video Mr. Abbott! I'm considering buying a new 85mm lens and can't decide between the Samyang and the Tamron. I have EOS R without IBIS and I think the Tamron is a better choice. What do you think?
I would personally go with this lens. It's fantastic.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for your advice! I've got the old version for the EF Mount and I was very disappointed in therm of solution and sharpness.
I saw your daughter's potrait on samyang website and figured that you will be the very first person to review this lens. Thanks for your extraordinary work and efforts. I clicked the b&h link but its pre-order, any idea when they will have in stock and start shipping? Thanks
I don't actually know when the lens will start shipping. Samyang is usually pretty fast with this, but the lens was just announced on Friday. It may be July before shipping starts.
@@DustinAbbottTWI ok thanks
@@DustinAbbottTWI i request you to answer my last question? Inwas confused between this lens and canon 85mm 1.4 is usm lens. Due to think because of the flange distance this lens would give me better quality and performance ratgwr than adapter canom 85mm 1.4 is usm l lens? Money is not a concern here i just want a better glass. Kindly help with my last query ,thanks
Can you update this vid with the new firmware?
I don't have room in my schedule to do a fresh video, but I do plan to talk about it in a Livestream soon.
Would you get this or the new canon f2 with IS. I have the eos R
I haven't had a chance to review the new Canon 85mm F2 yet. I'm hoping to soon.
How many stops IS will this be getting on the R5/R6? Any word on that yet?
I haven't heard that, but I will test as soon as my R5 arrives.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Cheers Dustin. Got my R6 on pre order . Looking for a fast native 85 and the alternatives are a tad on the pricey side😉
@@DustinAbbottTWI Many thanks for the great review! Have you been able to try the R5 in combination with the Samyang 85mm AF (RF) lens? I have seen that IBIS does not work with the Samyang 14mm f2.8 (EF) lens yet, so I am curious to know if RF lens perform better in this regard.
After watching your review on Tamron 45mm and I just bought it last night, and Im looking for 85mm lens, recently. I cant decide between Tamron 85mm or Samyang 85mm, Im looking for good rendering which is not "flat" like what the sigma 85mm has. Which one to choose?
Thanks Dustin for your dedication on making videos, it is really helpful 🙏
If you have an RF mount camera, go for this lens. It's fantastic.
Hi, is this lens for fullframe or crop sensor?
Full frame.
I am really, really interested in trying this one out! I like the 85 look and 1.4 would be a first one for me! Kudos to Samyang. I have the RF 14mm and it’s very cool!
It's really a sweet lens.
Wow! Stunning lens and review. Thanks and keep safe to you and you family Sir!
Thank you kindly
Do I go for the Samyang or the Canon 85mm F2 macro?
I've gotten this question a LOT, but until I have a chance to review the Canon, it is hard for me to answer.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Appreciate that and the really good job you've done with this review. It wil be an interesting comparison when you get your hands on one. I'm leaning toward the Canon as I have the 35mm f1.8 macro and it really is a good lens for the money but the aperture advantage of the Samyang is holding meback a bit.
Hi Dustin, does this lens have lens correction data like the Samyang RF 14mm? Thanks
It doesn't, which I find strange considering the 14mm did!
@@DustinAbbottTWI It has that data now. I bought the lens for my EOS R based on your review and I am very happy. I chose it over the Tamron, even without IS.
How does it compare with the Sigma 85 mm1.4?
Which one? If you are referring to the ART (the big one), the Sigma is very slightly sharper at certain points in the frame, but is huge...and I like the bokeh better from this lens.
awesome video Dustin.
any news about the 35mm and 50mm? Since I use those two much more.
I don't know. I would love to see an improved 50mm, for sure.
Hi Dustin
Thanks a lot for the review
Just a question, compared to the tamron 85 1.8, what’s your favorite ?
At this stage I'm more partial to the Samyang.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Hi Dustin, thanks a lot for your feedback, on which aspect, the Samyang making the difference on the tamron ?
Have a nice day
This Samyang is certainly a nice addition to the RF variety of glass and for sure much better (and delivers more beautiful rendering) than Sigma Art's very "flat" and boring character.
One thing that you didn't mention is the obvious difference in the levels of micro-contrast between these 3 lenses. This is exactly why you have to pay $2000 more (well, plus the added bonus that the BR glass in the Canon helps render truly gorgeous skin tones) - the Canon's RF85 is just exploding in micro-contrast, which results in much richer tonal gradations and thus - much more sense for depth and "life-like" looking images. This has nothing to do with resolution (sharpness) and overall global lens contrast. To me - the micro-contrast is the most luxurious thing in a lens. This is what makes the images looking so natural that it seems the lens was somehow "invisible" and completely transparent, like there was no lens. You can see in your video when comparing the notes how richer is the image from the Canon and how weak (flat) it is from the Tamron. The Samyang holds up pretty well though. Shooting the Canon's RF85 since the day 1 following its release, I can say it is right there up to the Leica level.
However, the Samyang has a very pleasing character, a bit vintage and for sure its warmer notes of rendition are very eye pleasing too. It is a fantastic lens for its price, weight and size, as well as the results it delivers. Well done Dustin and Samyang :)
Keep up the good work.
There's no question that the RF85L is a special lens, but unfortunately it's price is out of range of many photographers. The Samyang will be a nice option for those with a lower budget.
13 elements on Canon's vs 11 elements on the samyang. The amount of glass effects micro contrast, as well as it's quality no doubt, but still, i would'nt say there will be much of a difference in that regard if any.
dramatic lighting today, very nice.
Thank you
I know you're not into Nikon, which is a shame on Nikon's part that they don't recognize your in-depth analytical approach in your reviews and send you stuff; but I sure hope Samyang makes its way to the Z mount. I'm still using a Samyang 135mm f/2 F-mount adapted to the Z system via an adapter, which is great optically but manual AF which isn't great on paid shoots. Hopefully, Samyang gets on board Z-mount and hopefully, you'll start reviewing Z-mount.
Hmmm, I do hope that Samyang starts developing on Z mount soon, though that probably won't push me onto Nikon. I am currently reviewing three brands in both APS-C and full frame, or APS-C and medium format, and frankly I don't have enough time to add more.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I can understand that. There’s only so much a man can do and you’re doing a lot and to a very high standard. At least I’m happy that most 3rd party lenses end up sharing multiple platforms so what you gather in terms of characteristics and performance will roughly be similar when and if it comes out for another brand. Sigma comes to mind with their art series. They’re basically the same lenses but with a different flange.
Can my EF 85mm 1.8 USM compete with the Samyang reviewed?
I'm afraid not...pretty much in any metric.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Even in autofocus accuracy? Thanks, Dustin. Your review s are the best on TH-cam.
I don't think it can, actually. You are talking about a lens released in 1992...
@@DustinAbbottTWI I m getting the Samyang then. Thanks.