It’s infuriating how much he downplays his indiscretions and won’t allow Katie to process her feelings without making her feel like she’s over reacting when she absolutely is not.
gaslighting at its best. hes a classic narcissist. they both suck to be honest. shes awful on so many levels. everyone on this show is. i mean, i love lisa because shes lisa, and scheana is cool outside of the show, like i followed her on yt for a long time and she seems so normal outside of this toxic playpen of a tv show. but yea, all of them are clearly mentally ill lol
I see it differently. I see her as the problem and emotionally controlling of Tom. Katie wanted to get married. She should have waited for someone else.
@@lisanetgark415 I’m so with you on your remarks about Katie. She was/is the problem in her relationship with Schwartz. Very emotionally controlling in that relationship. She presented as so insecure continually, and she drained him of energy. In fact, they drained each other. He seemed to be always trying to get away from her, but she would be clingy. They were not meant to be together. It was an awful relationship. They are both needy people. Even though they were in the midst of divorce, she wanted to control him, by stating that she did not want him to date friends in the group. Huh? It’s his decision. Maybe he wouldn’t have, but she made that a stipulation to him, which made it more enticing to him. He actually said those words. Together they were the embodiment of an unhealthy relationship.
@@valeriejohnson8771 I’m not Katie’s biggest fan & I definitely think she has her own set of faults. However, I think she was a great partner. She had his back in pretty much every season. He constantly went against her. It’s fine for him to disagree with her, but that should be done in private. In front of others he should of showed an united front with his girlfriend/wife. I honestly think he was emotionally stunted. His brothers seemed to be the same way (what little they were in the show). It makes me wonder how they were raised.
Over the years, Katie has been horribly mistreated on this show by Stassi, Sandoval and especially Schwartz. I've been amazed over the years that she never lost her self confidence. A lot of people call her a mean girl. I think she's a strong woman who sticks up for herself and is a loyal friend when called upon. I admire her.
A strong woman that sticks up for herself wouldn’t stay with a man like that. I like Katie but she gets her confidence from manipulative and controlling people. She should’ve left Tom the first time she cheated but I believe her insecurity told her she couldn’t do better than Tom. His looks trumped all of his horrible traits. He’s so ugly inside and now she can move on for once.
Katie is the biggest bully (not only physically big), shes the first one to hate on someone whos doing better than her. im not a huge Tom fan but thank god he got away from that big linebacker body party pooper, shes awful.
Thank you!!! Everyone overlooked that he got very physical with women. Poured a drink on stassi, on Katie, and pushed Kristen super hard and knocked her over during her confrontation with stassi. I think everyone overlooking it also made Katie think it was acceptable
I hope people can finally see how much of a problem Schwartz is. Katie has always gotten the brunt of the criticism but he clearly gaslights her then plays innocent and is just as toxic.
Sandoval couldn't control Shwartz 100 percent of the time - while Katie was around, at least ... Sandoval is such a weak creep & pushed and pushed to ensure Schwartz was rarely on Katie's side...
I'm not a fan of Katie, but her "partner" spent more time with people who hated her and insulted her, than he did with her. He invited James Kennedy on a trip to Mexico, after James fat shamed her multiple times. Katie had to tell Schwartz to disinvite him. Even then, Schwartz still had to go to Sandoval for his opinion on whether James should go. I mean, are you kidding me? Lol
Yeah I agree - and when I saw him pour a drink over her head in the middle of an argument I was like yikes. He’s abusive. Don’t care what anyone says. He gives me bad bad vibes. Something weird going on behind that “boyish” gimmick.
@@LIPGLOSS13 Katie is the perfect example of what happens when you give your partner an ultimatum. If you have to give ultimatums, they don't want to marry you. If they did, you wouldn't need to give one. Katie ignored so many red flags for the sole purpose of getting married.
That’s how Jax is too , all three of them are alike Tom shawartz , Sandoval and Jax . They all give narcissist vibes they all cheat on their girlfriends instead of communicating they don’t want to be with them .
I’m constantly amazed they actually went thru with a marriage. Poor Katie, I think she was afraid to throw way all the time she spent with Tom and married him anyways.
Was it ever even legal or just for show? Not sure she bullied him with all the fake promises on TV; Like VP said aultimatam... If you talk about doing it; DO IT... I'm questioning if this is all because loss of views on tv; yet like most invested to see it all... I remember season one lol
Yeah, I've seen that with people in my personal network and they always divorce soon after getting married. Sunk cost fallacy-- bad in business, bad in relationships.
I was shocked at first that they got divorced because I couldn’t believe they even got married and thought that they were determined to be miserable forever
same same! I solely started rewatching when they got a divorce because it seemed they were more than content to just be miserable together forever and I just couldn't do it anymore
I used to not like Katie, but this recent season has opened my eyes to Schwartz. Katie was always taking the fall for being the bad guy even Schwartz always got away with his bs because he played “nice guy”. A shame
The true colors of them as a couple and just the relationship in general came out in s5 in the joint bachelor & bachelorette party in New Orleans. Kristen brought up some stuff with the cheating that Katie and Tom didn’t want to discuss on camera. And that was made clear on the show by how visibly uncomfortable everyone got. How Katie was not even angry just visibly squeamish and how angry Schwartz was about it. It was very clear with the body language of everyone they were saying a lot without saying it. Like an “oh sh*t. This got brought up on camera again. It def will be aired. So we have to roll with it.” I would be so very curious to ask them what was behind the scenes then. Cause some of the cast just rolled with things and didn’t care and some were very guarded of what was discussed for storylines.
The lesson of their relationship is you can't force someone to meet your emotional needs. Katie kept trying with Tom but it was like trying to get blood from a stone. He was never going to meet her needs and she should have recognized that instead of pressuring him into marriage. She was still trying to get him to meet her needs after she left him. I think she's finally realized that he can't do it and has let go. Finally.
@@kaylamoore3434I didn’t see it that way I think she wanted him to let her know they are growing in their relationship or stop wasting her time. They dated for many years before they got engaged
I truly believe the only reason Lisa gave Schwartz a chance with Tom Tom was because of Katie. Lisa over the years has shown clearly that she truly cares for Katie in almost a mom type of way.
She gave him a chance because of Sandavol lol Lisa is just as close with him, & she’s not a stupid woman…she knew Tom & Tom were way more committed to one another than KT & Tom ever were.
Schwartz was always swayed by Tom Sandoval who hated Katie. When a best friend is just as important or more important than your wife and your marriage, that marriage can never be a happy one. Katie needs a husband with supportive friends who really love and value their wives and their marriages. Getting back with Schwartz would mean Katie would have to endure Sandoval and his poison darts. Too bad Schwartz just follows along after Sandoval and has no backbone.
So many people owe Katie an apology! Besides, gaslighting her for YEARS, BOTH Toms AND Rachel had NO ISSUE hurting Katie using falsehoods to cover their disgusting games and affairs. GROSS AF
Just like Raquel is right now. Kristin was older than Raquel when they began filming. She was 30 and cheated with Jax. They were all just as messy as R in their 20s
Swartz screws up, does what he wants/ doesn’t listen, then he plays dumb & manipulates Katie with love bombing & future faking, or gaslights her by pointing to her as a problem (you’r a B, you’re stupid etc.)…Katie’s anger was -in part - her feeling the manipulation.
@@nomanejane5766 that’s where I feel for Katie. She has said publicly she was too prideful but looks back that she should have ended her relationship with Tom during s2-s3 timeframe.
I swear I’m watching everything through a new lens now. Sandoval’s face when Schwartz proposed to Katie at 5:38 is giving “I hate that this moment is not about me” energy. Everyone else is freaking out excited, and he’s barely smiling. This whole revelation has forever changed how I watch this show!
yes... and I had forgotten that Jax said he was the number one guy on the show - which he was - and I think that Sandoval thought he was then and is now - but he's not because he's so intolerable all the time.
Well he also never liked Katie fir many reasons, she was one of the miserable mean girls and friends with his ex Kristen. He wanted a more easy going girl for his friend.
Tom Schwartz is the oldest teenager of all time... I can't believe Katie endured all this mess to only divorcing him afterwards. Love ain't enough but Sandoval is, so he better get his stuff together. A total wreck but looks are deceiving I guess.
the thumbnail says it all....Katie in pain and Tom looking...way less in pain...🥺 I know relationships are nuanced and complicated but I really feel for Katie especially after this season. No wonder she acts so protective of her friends and was so understandably sensitive about her relationship. The amount of backstabbing done on that show is terrifying....and then she is made to look "mean" and "controlling" just for being understandably nervous....when the entire time her husband's best friend is Tom Scandoval who was bossing Schwartz the entire time! omg!
Katie did a mistake many women makes, she married a guy she did'nt love the way he was, she viewed his as a project, someone she could change into the man she wanted. When she realized she could'nt change him, she divorced him. Hopefully she will choose better next time
He even made a joke out of the engagement. She always played the role of the over bearing nag. I know I am not the only woman that has technically been the one to end the relationship; when in reality he’s gave up long ago and just stayed for seemingly no reason.
She married a child. And his bff’s are children too. Who’d have thought that Jax would be the bro with a lasting relationship? This whole world is upside down
Katie is better off without Schwartz. He disrespected her in all the time they were together. She had to be his mother, push him to commit in everything in life not only to her. He is like Raquel....playing her and everyone with his "puppy look"🤔....he will NEVER grow up...
These two were at odds from the beginning and never felt like a happy union for either one… BUT please let’s find someone else OUTSIDE of your friends group to get involved with 😂
They need to do a timeline of Sandoval relationships! But it will look like a hexagon tho!. Tom & tom, Tom & Kristen, Tom & Ariana, Tom & Ariana and lala. Tom & Raquel.
Y'all need to do a timeline of Sandoval relationships but it will look like a hexagon. Tom & tom, Tom & Kristen, Tom & Ariana, Tom & Ariana and lala. Tom & Raquel.
The problem with Katie is that she took all her problems with Tom and became a bully to other people. Her problems at home seeped through. But definitely watching this, this is not a marriage maker. Him still cheating, kissing other women, nope.
Tom is worst partner to her I’ve ever seen. He never loses his cool but the hurt he’s inflicted on her and the bullshit apologies afterward make him so gross.
He literally poured a drink on her... that's in the compilation. He says some of the most hateful and cutting things. And again that's on-camera... Imagine what he does behind closed doors.
People were so determined to hate Katie that they excused Tom. Tom is as awful as Sandoval and people hated Kristen and overlooked Sandoval being a creep. It is true when people say birds of a feather flock together-they're BFFs with Jax...
It's been heartbreaking throughout the last few years I think she thought once she was his wife he would start having her back even if she was right or wrong. I've seen her almost breakdown talkin about it. After the divorce filed she said she thought maybe as friends he would start having her back but she guess it wasn't a relationship thing it was her he didn't like. Something to that effect but it was heartbreaking.
@@sofinaprawa2760 I can see why you would think that. However a few months ago I went back and rewatch everything from the beginning and a few days ago I started from season one watching it all again. And it's kind of disgusting he really did never have her back. Most of the time even problem she was having with somebody else he was defending them to her. I've literally watched him have everybody else's back but hers. And like she said many times sometimes I just want to talk and just have you listened to me. And where we see some bad things people don't realize not many wives would let their husband do what they want to do when they want to do especially after finding out they cheated. Even Lisa told him you may not agree with what your wife said but you don't do that in public you wait until you're at home. It's almost cringe-worthy goodtime Katie's having an altercation with someone and he'll jump in defending that other person making Katie look like an a******. Even one episode recently someone yelled at him and said oh you finally have your wife's back for once. If ever the saying there were three in this marriage is appropriate it's with Tom, Katie and Tom. Is if Tom is anyone somebody should take relationship advice from lol so many years he's never liked Katie and came between her and Schwartz. If Schwartz had ever had Katie's back the way he has had Tom's they probably still be married.
@@pamelameadows9717 I totally get that. I think Tom was a less than stellar spouse. But I think Katie at times just wanted a yes man. And I think that made Tom rebel more. Katie honestly turned into Stassi and idk. Just both parties ruined the relationship
@@sofinaprawa2760 I understand and I love Katie I always have. Except I don't know why I still did when I saw the way she acts when she hangs around stassi in the beginning. I think Stacy brought out the worst in Katie. I'm 66 and as you get older you really do get wiser. But I absolutely cringe by Katie's behavior I'm the way she's treated people at times. As I said a couple months ago I re-watch all the seasons and I started again a few days ago. Katie was a different person when Stacy was out of her life. I've been guilty of that hanging around people who only badmouth other people and I fell into that gossipy negative behavior myself. Right now I'm rewatching the season where sheena's getting married. And she needs to be careful hanging around with Christina Kelly again because she was number two after stassi of they're awful behavior. I don't think Katie's a leader she's more of a follower and his influence by the people she has around her for the most part. I'm telling you though sometimes my heart has hurt for her seeing her around positive people who like her you can tell she's not used to someone laughing at her jokes or having her back. Ariana and yes Lala also are going to be good for Katie. Like I said I'm rewatching the season of sheena's wedding. And she's really a sweet person. Stacy never had Katie's back either the only time she had Katie's back was when Katie was acting or repeating what stassi would tell her to do. Stassi telling Katie how she should act and treat Tom after he hurt her. She was basically mad or finding with Tom's at time after hearing stassi tell her what she should do and not put up with. So watching her stand-up to stassi and tell her that she wants to do what's right for her and Tom's relationship was awesome. I just seen where Tom felt so bad after Katie found out about him making out with some girl in Las Vegas. And stassi's telling her what she should do and Tom goes by Stacy's apartment to give Katie flowers and be nice to her and stassi's the one that started telling him what a bad person he is and then he's trying to make up with Katie and then stassi actually kicks him out of the apartment. Tom was trying to make up with Katie and stassi didn't give him the chance she just started going at him. And then you see the difference in Katy and Tom's relationship without stassi around. Stassi would have rather had Katie break up with Swartz instead of going to sheena's bachelorette party in Miami. I saw the sweet person I believe she is. She didn't want Katie to make up so easy with Tom and then she didn't want Katy talking or being around any of the people that stassi didn't think was good enough. I'm seeing in this season Katie evolving. Also again because of re-watching it I've seen what a real a****** Schwartz has been to Katy.. he says he's stupid things that he thinks is a joke that actually hurt Katie. I don't see her wanting a yes-man the way you're saying I just see someone who just wanted her husband to stand up for her. And I think it becomes so obvious because she's had to watch him stand up for people like Tom and Rachel. Meaning she has saw him have everybody else's back except hers. And you know that can make a woman feel even more like he's never had her back. She watches him stand up for other people and she only wanted the same thing. That hurts. Even Lisa said to Tom even if you don't agree with your wife at the moment you take it up with them in private not in front of a bunch of people. She said it doesn't matter who's right or wrong at the time is not the place to do it. It was disrespectful I have seen the bed in Katy and they don't show much of katies kindness. You know what's having somebody's back is putting aside your differences and going with your man to Miami. If she just wanted him to be a yes man he would not have been going on all those boys trips they were constantly taking. She even said she didn't want to be the kind of person that would hold him back and put a leash on him. It really does show a lot of Schwartz doing and saying anything he wants and to me it looks like she said yes to him all the time. I'm sorry that was so long. I really can't understand how it looks that way but when you go back and watch it again you pick up on a lot of things that you may not the first or even second time around. You'll also see how mean he is to her and what her purple things he has said to her. I think Stacy and Tom caused or inflamed problems with Schwartz and Katie. I've already seen a change in her and season 10 and I can't wait to see her next season. She's got more loyal and caring friends around her than she ever has. You know her self-esteem was so low and that's why she's brought Christina Kelly back around her. I'm hoping to see her become friends with Sheena again cuz I think Sheena is a good and loyal friend. But before she know was friends with both of the times and that had an influence on her and Katie's relationship too. I think Lala common Ariana and Sheena will be the best things that's happened to Katie and having friendships. Maybe they can scrub that last bit of s***that stassi and Christina Kelly has brought to Katy.
Of all things, if anyone ever said to me they didn’t like the sound of my voice I would never talk to them again It would never leave my head that that was said That hits hard for me out of all the BS
My stupid ex did some crap like that. We had a huge fight. He drove off. Then came back from WALMART and gave me a Tiffany colored gift bag (I had told him after another fight whwn he said out of nowhere “lets look at rings. So I went on the Tiffany website. told him I only wanted a Tiffany engagement ring). In the Tiff blue bag was a engagement card, some cheetos and a block of cream cheese. Some gummy candy And a candy RING POP. That was the proposal. Pathetic. Like this.
I'm fawking pissed. I was close but my ex aka son's father said after 7 years. It's time to talk about marriage because I've been through hell and back with him. Do you know realize sir how much of a turn off that shi was. To say I'm worth it because you tested me after that I broke up with him. Years of devaluing me. I got tired of it. I'm so free. No I'm not ready to ruin my peace.
She’s a bitter, vindictive hateful person who always seems to be miserable. She expected Tom to go against people she was mad at, sometimes for unfounded reasons.
@@samariathornton9110 it’s not far-fetched to want her spouse distant from people who she’s in an active disagreement with. When you’re married or in a serious relationship you correct in private and show unity in public. Tom allowed people to discredit his wife all of the time causing her to be miserable and bitter.
I use to like Katie and had defended Katie up until this year when her heartless actions against Scheana proved that she’s unloading her failed marriage and all her problems with Schwartz for the past decade onto Scheana. She targets Scheana all the time and focuses and redirects all the pent up anger she has for Schwartz and dumps it onto Scheana. She aims for Scheana bc Scheana is an easy target. Scheana unfairly receives the brunt of Katie’s anger. Enough is enough! For over a decade Katie has been going after this poor girl. Katie’s years and years of constant abuse and ongoing bullying of Scheana was too much to ignore and was absolutely indefensible and so unbelievably cruel and difficult to watch. She and Stassi bullied the hell out of this girl for over 10 years! The badgering never stopped. I don’t even like Scheana but Katie’s treatment of her is extremely abusive that it makes me feel sorry for Scheana. Katie makes herself hard to like and hard to please. Schwartz is awful spineless loser but Katie has grown to be abusive and a big bully. She takes everything out on Scheana and unloads her miserable relationship and all that she’s suffered with Schwartz onto Scheana. She scapegoats and blames Scheana bc it’s easier than going after Schwartz. Stop abusing another woman bc of the pain a man caused you for years!
He never stood up for her. I remember I think it was last season or the season before. They were having a dinner party or something at there home, and he was talking her so crazy to her in front everybody. So much that a server from TomTom who was there, literally told Tom he was wrong for that. I don’t remember if he ever apologized to her for that.
Let's also not forget Jim not liking the name "Schwartz and sandy" telling jet that, yet when she stands up for hip with Sandoval about it, he goes in on her...i am glad she realizes her mistake and divorced him. Now when needs to not talk to him and cut him out
I don't feel bad for Katie he gave her every sign that he wasn't the "GUY" this is what when you try to force someone to love you...she should've spent that time learning to love herself
He was the boys punching bag so he made her his punching bag. She suffered a lot on that show with other people, let alone him. I feel she went through with the marriage because she really loved him. And she had a shit hot engagement ring she didn’t have to give back after getting married, go girl.
Katie has glowed up since the divorce, while Tom looks washed up, grey and aged... funny how leaving someone who makes you miserable can make you a better, hotter version of yourself :O
I think they were both bad to and for each other. Schwartz with his cheating, and taking the being laid back too far. Katie with the pettiness (always asking him to be mad at the people she was currently mad at) even when it didn’t make sense. They never listened to each other, just bad all around. Shocked that wedding happened honestly
I think she is a beautiful girl that stuck with a boy that never tried to be a man and only cared for hisself. He wanted everyone to feel sorry for him like he was some put upon child. She stood by his side hoping he would become the man she saw in her mind unfortunately he was not that man. I hope she finds true happiness and someone that values her and puts her first in their life because she doesn’t deserve any less!
THIS is the man that people expected to have a moral compass and tell ariana about the affair? (i’m so sorry i haven’t watched VPR until scandoval happened so i’m literally just getting to know these ppl 😂)
I didn't like Katie for a long time. I did see Tom as the loveable rouge. The fact he's good looking and so mild mannered with everyone (All except Katie. I know she had her moments but ive been in an abusive relationship, both physically, but more painful emotionally and when he says im disgusted by you, yoir such a turn off etc...and thats on camera!! God knows how bad it gets behind closed doors! Tom unfortunately is an abusive man, but they act the good guy to everyone else to hide this and make it look like your the bad one. Classic Emotional Abuser 😢
She shouldve dumped him when he poired that drink on her. Period. I get whats bothering her. All she wants is for him to have her back, and we all want that..These 2 were never compatable, and IMO, Katie is too good for him. Hes a slimey weasel like Sandoval.
I think the second Katie gave Tom an ultimatum to be with her the relationship was doomed. I think Katie always played the victim card when Tom would call her out on her bullshit. I also just think Tom was not always there as a partner for her to support her. I think they both had poor actions and decision making which led to the divorce. Everyone is so quick to blame Tom, but Katie was always the victim and the bully.
In your 20's you aren't sure of life and why so many end up with the wrong people! You see who you want, not what they are showing you. The moments of clarity, you discount.
Never liked him, never fell for his puppy attitude. I am currently watching season 5 and i can't stand him. He is a master gaslighter, i feel so bad for Katie
I’m sorry… I get everyone being team Katie.. but She got on my nerves.. since day one… Constantly being the Mean Girl, turning nothing into a bigger issue.. and then plays victim when she doesn’t gets her way..🙄🙄.. Season 1 thru 4 she was just me, me, me.. victim, victim, victim.
@@mariyaa111 that’s no excuse to be a mean girl at times.. and plus she had plenty of opportunities to walk away.. there was issues within that relationship way before she said “ I do” she perpetuate her own unhappiness..
Tom is a dweeb. It seems like Katie always had to fight to be heard and then got cast as the nagging one in the relationship. I hope she finds someone truly respectful who listens to her!
Honestly… everyone dumping on Tom, I couldn’t imagine having a discussion with Katie. She is NAGGING! There has to be a better way to get your point across. More importantly, if you have to keep trying to get your point across to someone who isn’t understanding you, break up! Don’t seek an engagement and marriage. Y’all have issues. It was clear in the first clip that you aren’t compatible.
It’s infuriating how much he downplays his indiscretions and won’t allow Katie to process her feelings without making her feel like she’s over reacting when she absolutely is not.
gaslighting at its best. hes a classic narcissist. they both suck to be honest. shes awful on so many levels. everyone on this show is. i mean, i love lisa because shes lisa, and scheana is cool outside of the show, like i followed her on yt for a long time and she seems so normal outside of this toxic playpen of a tv show. but yea, all of them are clearly mentally ill lol
I see it differently. I see her as the problem and emotionally controlling of Tom. Katie wanted to get married. She should have waited for someone else.
They're both insufferable
@@lisanetgark415 I’m so with you on your remarks about Katie. She was/is the problem in her relationship with Schwartz. Very emotionally controlling in that relationship. She presented as so insecure continually, and she drained him of energy. In fact, they drained each other. He seemed to be always trying to get away from her, but she would be clingy. They were not meant to be together. It was an awful relationship. They are both needy people. Even though they were in the midst of divorce, she wanted to control him, by stating that she did not want him to date friends in the group. Huh? It’s his decision. Maybe he wouldn’t have, but she made that a stipulation to him, which made it more enticing to him. He actually said those words. Together they were the embodiment of an unhealthy relationship.
@@valeriejohnson8771 I’m not Katie’s biggest fan & I definitely think she has her own set of faults. However, I think she was a great partner. She had his back in pretty much every season. He constantly went against her. It’s fine for him to disagree with her, but that should be done in private. In front of others he should of showed an united front with his girlfriend/wife. I honestly think he was emotionally stunted. His brothers seemed to be the same way (what little they were in the show). It makes me wonder how they were raised.
Schwartz looking back is emotionally abusive..throwing water on her, gaslighting...calling her names..he is a loser.
And dumping a beer on her head..
Over the years, Katie has been horribly mistreated on this show by Stassi, Sandoval and especially Schwartz. I've been amazed over the years that she never lost her self confidence. A lot of people call her a mean girl. I think she's a strong woman who sticks up for herself and is a loyal friend when called upon. I admire her.
A strong woman that sticks up for herself wouldn’t stay with a man like that. I like Katie but she gets her confidence from manipulative and controlling people. She should’ve left Tom the first time she cheated but I believe her insecurity told her she couldn’t do better than Tom. His looks trumped all of his horrible traits. He’s so ugly inside and now she can move on for once.
Katie is the biggest bully (not only physically big), shes the first one to hate on someone whos doing better than her. im not a huge Tom fan but thank god he got away from that big linebacker body party pooper, shes awful.
He always tried to devalue her. He never defended her obviously. I'm glad she decided to Value herself.
I would never marry a man who poured a drink on me
The fact that that never got a ton of scrutiny always confused me.
Exactly😮 Her own fault😮
Thank you!!! Everyone overlooked that he got very physical with women. Poured a drink on stassi, on Katie, and pushed Kristen super hard and knocked her over during her confrontation with stassi. I think everyone overlooking it also made Katie think it was acceptable
I would’ve caught a DV😎
He gets away with it because he puts on a goofy friendly persona but he has a serious mean side
Where is the rise in this relationship? I am genuinely asking.
😂😂 This relationship has been in a free fall since episode 1
@@l0v3existsXOXO PLS THE WAY IM DYING RN
I hope people can finally see how much of a problem Schwartz is. Katie has always gotten the brunt of the criticism but he clearly gaslights her then plays innocent and is just as toxic.
💯 Katie by all means is no saint however he never stood up for her at all especially against sandoval the man that has too big of an ego
He valued Sandoval as much as his wife. That was flat out wrong.
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Sandoval couldn't control Shwartz 100 percent of the time - while Katie was around, at least ... Sandoval is such a weak creep & pushed and pushed to ensure Schwartz was rarely on Katie's side...
Katie was horrible
I'm not a fan of Katie, but her "partner" spent more time with people who hated her and insulted her, than he did with her. He invited James Kennedy on a trip to Mexico, after James fat shamed her multiple times. Katie had to tell Schwartz to disinvite him. Even then, Schwartz still had to go to Sandoval for his opinion on whether James should go. I mean, are you kidding me? Lol
Yeah I agree - and when I saw him pour a drink over her head in the middle of an argument I was like yikes. He’s abusive. Don’t care what anyone says. He gives me bad bad vibes. Something weird going on behind that “boyish” gimmick.
Agreed. Everytime Sandoval berated Katie, Schwartz did nothing to defend his wife. Sickening
@@LIPGLOSS13oMG yessss !!! 🙌🏾
SHES insufferable, a freaking bully bitter AF
@@LIPGLOSS13 Katie is the perfect example of what happens when you give your partner an ultimatum. If you have to give ultimatums, they don't want to marry you. If they did, you wouldn't need to give one. Katie ignored so many red flags for the sole purpose of getting married.
I feel he's on drugs and for some reason no one points that out
The way that Schwartz admits to cheating like it’s no biggie just shows that he knew Katie would forgive him. It’s really sad.
That’s how Jax is too , all three of them are alike Tom shawartz , Sandoval and Jax . They all give narcissist vibes they all cheat on their girlfriends instead of communicating they don’t want to be with them .
I’m constantly amazed they actually went thru with a marriage. Poor Katie, I think she was afraid to throw way all the time she spent with Tom and married him anyways.
Sad thing is the "1st" wedding they had; HE forgot to mail the paper work in!
@@crissycurtis9801 Didnt he do that the 2nd time too in Vegas. CLEARLY a Freudian thing.
She bullied him into proposing.
Was it ever even legal or just for show? Not sure she bullied him with all the fake promises on TV; Like VP said aultimatam... If you talk about doing it; DO IT... I'm questioning if this is all because loss of views on tv; yet like most invested to see it all... I remember season one lol
Yeah, I've seen that with people in my personal network and they always divorce soon after getting married. Sunk cost fallacy-- bad in business, bad in relationships.
Katie is a bully I’m glad Tom finally stood up to her! Just get rid of her she brings nothing to the show!!
I was shocked at first that they got divorced because I couldn’t believe they even got married and thought that they were determined to be miserable forever
Lol same
same same! I solely started rewatching when they got a divorce because it seemed they were more than content to just be miserable together forever and I just couldn't do it anymore
I’m so glad katie and ari are free from these men
Sandoval wiping his eyes on that dog always cracks me up!
I used to not like Katie, but this recent season has opened my eyes to Schwartz. Katie was always taking the fall for being the bad guy even Schwartz always got away with his bs because he played “nice guy”. A shame
The true colors of them as a couple and just the relationship in general came out in s5 in the joint bachelor & bachelorette party in New Orleans. Kristen brought up some stuff with the cheating that Katie and Tom didn’t want to discuss on camera. And that was made clear on the show by how visibly uncomfortable everyone got. How Katie was not even angry just visibly squeamish and how angry Schwartz was about it. It was very clear with the body language of everyone they were saying a lot without saying it. Like an “oh sh*t. This got brought up on camera again. It def will be aired. So we have to roll with it.” I would be so very curious to ask them what was behind the scenes then. Cause some of the cast just rolled with things and didn’t care and some were very guarded of what was discussed for storylines.
The lesson of their relationship is you can't force someone to meet your emotional needs. Katie kept trying with Tom but it was like trying to get blood from a stone. He was never going to meet her needs and she should have recognized that instead of pressuring him into marriage. She was still trying to get him to meet her needs after she left him. I think she's finally realized that he can't do it and has let go. Finally.
He didn’t have to propose
@@BadBitchesonly.she obviously was pressuring him, well atleast that’s what i saw.
@@kaylamoore3434I didn’t see it that way I think she wanted him to let her know they are growing in their relationship or stop wasting her time. They dated for many years before they got engaged
I forget the proverb but it goes something like this. " Unless the Lord builds the house, they that labor, labor in vain"
I truly believe the only reason Lisa gave Schwartz a chance with Tom Tom was because of Katie. Lisa over the years has shown clearly that she truly cares for Katie in almost a mom type of way.
She gave him a chance because of Sandavol lol Lisa is just as close with him, & she’s not a stupid woman…she knew Tom & Tom were way more committed to one another than KT & Tom ever were.
Schwartz was always swayed by Tom Sandoval who hated Katie. When a best friend is just as important or more important than your wife and your marriage, that marriage can never be a happy one. Katie needs a husband with supportive friends who really love and value their wives and their marriages. Getting back with Schwartz would mean Katie would have to endure Sandoval and his poison darts. Too bad Schwartz just follows along after Sandoval and has no backbone.
Katie needs to stop being a lazy mooching clingy rude child
I agree with you it about time manager so spread your time with your wife or husband, family and friends.
And then became business partners which made things worse
He's in love with Sandy.
So many people owe Katie an apology! Besides, gaslighting her for YEARS, BOTH Toms AND Rachel had NO ISSUE hurting Katie using falsehoods to cover their disgusting games and affairs. GROSS AF
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@@amandarodriguez1605 The first ttime fttime frfor tfthe tyftuyftyfttyyyf f do
Team katie never. Schwartz all the way
@@rlast4698
Me too!
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He has cheated SO MANY TIMES! Katie was a doormat for staying with him.
They were SO dysfunctional
Just like Raquel is right now. Kristin was older than Raquel when they began filming. She was 30 and cheated with Jax. They were all just as messy as R in their 20s
@@Mkay999 They’re not talking about Kristen, they’re talking about Katie, who hasn’t cheated. Stop making excuses.
Swartz screws up, does what he wants/ doesn’t listen, then he plays dumb & manipulates Katie with love bombing & future faking, or gaslights her by pointing to her as a problem (you’r a B, you’re stupid etc.)…Katie’s anger was -in part - her feeling the manipulation.
Two people that were never meant to be together. They both could have found happiness and more compatible partners years ago!!!
Truth 💯
She didn't want to break up, cuz then she would have felt that she wasted all that time on him!
@@nomanejane5766 So she wasted even more time...
@@nomanejane5766 that’s where I feel for Katie. She has said publicly she was too prideful but looks back that she should have ended her relationship with Tom during s2-s3 timeframe.
Omg bravo is milking this Scandoval drama 😂
This video should be called the Rise of Katie Maloney and the Fall of Tom Schwartz
You deserve the same type of love that you give so freely!! I’m glad she’s ready to move on!
N be a better person n treat your spouse right
DAMN, Katie ALWAYS deserved better.
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Does she?
In the heat of emotion, Ariana s brother said it all.
From what Jax, Tom, Tom, and James did to any woman in their life makes Peter look like a GOD... Peter has always been my fav tho...
Same. So glad he dodged a bullet with that trashy Raquel
Yet no one wants to date him! Like make it make sense lol I don’t understand it. He is a catch !
@@pippi208 cuz he's not a problematic douche bag. These girls are all addicted to drama.
There may be things about Peter.... he's got a stable job but he doesn't seem to have a long-term girl. Maybe he's also doing the Peter Pan thing.
Something has to be off with Peter....why is he still single??
I swear I’m watching everything through a new lens now. Sandoval’s face when Schwartz proposed to Katie at 5:38 is giving “I hate that this moment is not about me” energy. Everyone else is freaking out excited, and he’s barely smiling. This whole revelation has forever changed how I watch this show!
That’s a reach lol
yes... and I had forgotten that Jax said he was the number one guy on the show - which he was - and I think that Sandoval thought he was then and is now - but he's not because he's so intolerable all the time.
Its because he was losing his love to his enemy
Well he also never liked Katie fir many reasons, she was one of the miserable mean girls and friends with his ex Kristen. He wanted a more easy going girl for his friend.
@@DajiaStar agreed! Katie is trying to rewrite history like she isn't the worst
This should be so much longer lol.
Yes I agree lol I love it!💕💕💯
They need to take advice from VH1 for longer compilation videos.
Tom Schwartz is the oldest teenager of all time... I can't believe Katie endured all this mess to only divorcing him afterwards. Love ain't enough but Sandoval is, so he better get his stuff together. A total wreck but looks are deceiving I guess.
Idk how he endured her
And now he’s dating someone young enough to be his daughter. She’s probably more mature!
the thumbnail says it all....Katie in pain and Tom looking...way less in pain...🥺 I know relationships are nuanced and complicated but I really feel for Katie especially after this season. No wonder she acts so protective of her friends and was so understandably sensitive about her relationship. The amount of backstabbing done on that show is terrifying....and then she is made to look "mean" and "controlling" just for being understandably nervous....when the entire time her husband's best friend is Tom Scandoval who was bossing Schwartz the entire time! omg!
Katie did a mistake many women makes, she married a guy she did'nt love the way he was, she viewed his as a project, someone she could change into the man she wanted. When she realized she could'nt change him, she divorced him. Hopefully she will choose better next time
He even made a joke out of the engagement. She always played the role of the over bearing nag. I know I am not the only woman that has technically been the one to end the relationship; when in reality he’s gave up long ago and just stayed for seemingly no reason.
He had to make Katie be the one to pull the plug, so that once again, she's the bad person
He cheated and “called her” the next day. So he got her number.
I was thinking the same thing. He is a prick.
Poor Katie. Tom is horrible passive aggressive.
While Katie is just outwardly aggressive.
Can't believe they actually got married. He was never committed to anything. At the wedding, I watched and knew it would never last.
She married a child.
And his bff’s are children too. Who’d have thought that Jax would be the bro with a lasting relationship?
This whole world is upside down
God, that was one awfully messed up relationship
Katie is better off without Schwartz.
He disrespected her in all the time they were together.
She had to be his mother, push him to commit in everything in life not only to her.
He is like Raquel....playing her and everyone with his "puppy look"🤔....he will NEVER grow up...
he pranked her for their engagement??? lmaooo he was so toxic
These two were at odds from the beginning and never felt like a happy union for either one…
BUT please let’s find someone else OUTSIDE of your friends group to get involved with 😂
sandoval was the stirrer from the beginning
What’s next? Ariana + Sandoval timeline? Lmao bravo is loving it
They need to do a timeline of Sandoval relationships! But it will look like a hexagon tho!. Tom & tom, Tom & Kristen, Tom & Ariana, Tom & Ariana and lala. Tom & Raquel.
@@nomanejane5766 Tom + the obsession with Schwartz’ mom lol
Even Tom's proposal was brutal. The fake out, who does that😂?
That was the cringiest proposal I’ve ever witnessed
Y'all need to do a timeline of Sandoval relationships but it will look like a hexagon. Tom & tom, Tom & Kristen, Tom & Ariana, Tom & Ariana and lala. Tom & Raquel.
And in the center, like a dot...Tom and Himself.
Crazy that Tom and Tom have dated half the cast or hook up with them.
I misread the end of your comment as “Tom and RuPaul” and lost my mind lmao. Honestly that’s a beautiful union
The problem with Katie is that she took all her problems with Tom and became a bully to other people. Her problems at home seeped through. But definitely watching this, this is not a marriage maker. Him still cheating, kissing other women, nope.
5:38 His face says a lot without him uttering a word.
Energy transmits, even when words fail.
Good decision not to have kids together! ❤
Tom is worst partner to her I’ve ever seen. He never loses his cool but the hurt he’s inflicted on her and the bullshit apologies afterward make him so gross.
She was just as bad to him. It takes two to make a bad relationship
He literally poured a drink on her... that's in the compilation. He says some of the most hateful and cutting things. And again that's on-camera... Imagine what he does behind closed doors.
People were so determined to hate Katie that they excused Tom. Tom is as awful as Sandoval and people hated Kristen and overlooked Sandoval being a creep. It is true when people say birds of a feather flock together-they're BFFs with Jax...
It's been heartbreaking throughout the last few years I think she thought once she was his wife he would start having her back even if she was right or wrong. I've seen her almost breakdown talkin about it. After the divorce filed she said she thought maybe as friends he would start having her back but she guess it wasn't a relationship thing it was her he didn't like. Something to that effect but it was heartbreaking.
I think she just wanted him to be her "yes man" and he called her out.
@@sofinaprawa2760 I can see why you would think that. However a few months ago I went back and rewatch everything from the beginning and a few days ago I started from season one watching it all again. And it's kind of disgusting he really did never have her back. Most of the time even problem she was having with somebody else he was defending them to her. I've literally watched him have everybody else's back but hers. And like she said many times sometimes I just want to talk and just have you listened to me. And where we see some bad things people don't realize not many wives would let their husband do what they want to do when they want to do especially after finding out they cheated. Even Lisa told him you may not agree with what your wife said but you don't do that in public you wait until you're at home. It's almost cringe-worthy goodtime Katie's having an altercation with someone and he'll jump in defending that other person making Katie look like an a******. Even one episode recently someone yelled at him and said oh you finally have your wife's back for once. If ever the saying there were three in this marriage is appropriate it's with Tom, Katie and Tom. Is if Tom is anyone somebody should take relationship advice from lol so many years he's never liked Katie and came between her and Schwartz. If Schwartz had ever had Katie's back the way he has had Tom's they probably still be married.
@@pamelameadows9717 I totally get that. I think Tom was a less than stellar spouse. But I think Katie at times just wanted a yes man. And I think that made Tom rebel more. Katie honestly turned into Stassi and idk. Just both parties ruined the relationship
@@sofinaprawa2760 I understand and I love Katie I always have. Except I don't know why I still did when I saw the way she acts when she hangs around stassi in the beginning. I think Stacy brought out the worst in Katie. I'm 66 and as you get older you really do get wiser. But I absolutely cringe by Katie's behavior I'm the way she's treated people at times. As I said a couple months ago I re-watch all the seasons and I started again a few days ago. Katie was a different person when Stacy was out of her life. I've been guilty of that hanging around people who only badmouth other people and I fell into that gossipy negative behavior myself. Right now I'm rewatching the season where sheena's getting married. And she needs to be careful hanging around with Christina Kelly again because she was number two after stassi of they're awful behavior. I don't think Katie's a leader she's more of a follower and his influence by the people she has around her for the most part. I'm telling you though sometimes my heart has hurt for her seeing her around positive people who like her you can tell she's not used to someone laughing at her jokes or having her back. Ariana and yes Lala also are going to be good for Katie. Like I said I'm rewatching the season of sheena's wedding. And she's really a sweet person. Stacy never had Katie's back either the only time she had Katie's back was when Katie was acting or repeating what stassi would tell her to do. Stassi telling Katie how she should act and treat Tom after he hurt her. She was basically mad or finding with Tom's at time after hearing stassi tell her what she should do and not put up with. So watching her stand-up to stassi and tell her that she wants to do what's right for her and Tom's relationship was awesome. I just seen where Tom felt so bad after Katie found out about him making out with some girl in Las Vegas. And stassi's telling her what she should do and Tom goes by Stacy's apartment to give Katie flowers and be nice to her and stassi's the one that started telling him what a bad person he is and then he's trying to make up with Katie and then stassi actually kicks him out of the apartment. Tom was trying to make up with Katie and stassi didn't give him the chance she just started going at him. And then you see the difference in Katy and Tom's relationship without stassi around. Stassi would have rather had Katie break up with Swartz instead of going to sheena's bachelorette party in Miami. I saw the sweet person I believe she is. She didn't want Katie to make up so easy with Tom and then she didn't want Katy talking or being around any of the people that stassi didn't think was good enough. I'm seeing in this season Katie evolving. Also again because of re-watching it I've seen what a real a****** Schwartz has been to Katy.. he says he's stupid things that he thinks is a joke that actually hurt Katie. I don't see her wanting a yes-man the way you're saying I just see someone who just wanted her husband to stand up for her. And I think it becomes so obvious because she's had to watch him stand up for people like Tom and Rachel. Meaning she has saw him have everybody else's back except hers. And you know that can make a woman feel even more like he's never had her back. She watches him stand up for other people and she only wanted the same thing. That hurts. Even Lisa said to Tom even if you don't agree with your wife at the moment you take it up with them in private not in front of a bunch of people. She said it doesn't matter who's right or wrong at the time is not the place to do it. It was disrespectful I have seen the bed in Katy and they don't show much of katies kindness. You know what's having somebody's back is putting aside your differences and going with your man to Miami. If she just wanted him to be a yes man he would not have been going on all those boys trips they were constantly taking. She even said she didn't want to be the kind of person that would hold him back and put a leash on him. It really does show a lot of Schwartz doing and saying anything he wants and to me it looks like she said yes to him all the time. I'm sorry that was so long. I really can't understand how it looks that way but when you go back and watch it again you pick up on a lot of things that you may not the first or even second time around. You'll also see how mean he is to her and what her purple things he has said to her. I think Stacy and Tom caused or inflamed problems with Schwartz and Katie. I've already seen a change in her and season 10 and I can't wait to see her next season. She's got more loyal and caring friends around her than she ever has. You know her self-esteem was so low and that's why she's brought Christina Kelly back around her. I'm hoping to see her become friends with Sheena again cuz I think Sheena is a good and loyal friend. But before she know was friends with both of the times and that had an influence on her and Katie's relationship too. I think Lala common Ariana and Sheena will be the best things that's happened to Katie and having friendships. Maybe they can scrub that last bit of s***that stassi and Christina Kelly has brought to Katy.
This guy is full of it and a terrible partner. He never had his girls back. He never put her first at all. He's a joke.
Of all things, if anyone ever said to me they didn’t like the sound of my voice
I would never talk to them again
It would never leave my head that that was said
That hits hard for me out of all the BS
My stupid ex did some crap like that. We had a huge fight. He drove off. Then came back from WALMART and gave me a Tiffany colored gift bag (I had told him after another fight whwn he said out of nowhere “lets look at rings. So I went on the Tiffany website. told him I only wanted a Tiffany engagement ring). In the Tiff blue bag was a engagement card, some cheetos and a block of cream cheese. Some gummy candy And a candy RING POP. That was the proposal. Pathetic. Like this.
😲😲😲😲😲😲 Girl nooooooo
I woulda popped him upside his head with that bag 😅😂
@@ckd0680 unf yes my friend. At least I got out. Thanks for commenting 🥰
I'm fawking pissed. I was close but my ex aka son's father said after 7 years. It's time to talk about marriage because I've been through hell and back with him. Do you know realize sir how much of a turn off that shi was. To say I'm worth it because you tested me after that I broke up with him. Years of devaluing me. I got tired of it. I'm so free. No I'm not ready to ruin my peace.
Katie needed Tom to be as loyal to her as she was to him. Call her a mean girl all you want but she’s loyal AF.
She’s a bitter, vindictive hateful person who always seems to be miserable. She expected Tom to go against people she was mad at, sometimes for unfounded reasons.
@@samariathornton9110 it’s not far-fetched to want her spouse distant from people who she’s in an active disagreement with. When you’re married or in a serious relationship you correct in private and show unity in public. Tom allowed people to discredit his wife all of the time causing her to be miserable and bitter.
I use to like Katie and had defended Katie up until this year when her heartless actions against Scheana proved that she’s unloading her failed marriage and all her problems with Schwartz for the past decade onto Scheana. She targets Scheana all the time and focuses and redirects all the pent up anger she has for Schwartz and dumps it onto Scheana. She aims for Scheana bc Scheana is an easy target. Scheana unfairly receives the brunt of Katie’s anger. Enough is enough! For over a decade Katie has been going after this poor girl. Katie’s years and years of constant abuse and ongoing bullying of Scheana was too much to ignore and was absolutely indefensible and so unbelievably cruel and difficult to watch. She and Stassi bullied the hell out of this girl for over 10 years! The badgering never stopped. I don’t even like Scheana but Katie’s treatment of her is extremely abusive that it makes me feel sorry for Scheana. Katie makes herself hard to like and hard to please. Schwartz is awful spineless loser but Katie has grown to be abusive and a big bully. She takes everything out on Scheana and unloads her miserable relationship and all that she’s suffered with Schwartz onto Scheana. She scapegoats and blames Scheana bc it’s easier than going after Schwartz. Stop abusing another woman bc of the pain a man caused you for years!
When your man doesn't have your back, he's either too wimpy or a total jerk.
He's very wimpy.
He never stood up for her. I remember I think it was last season or the season before. They were having a dinner party or something at there home, and he was talking her so crazy to her in front everybody. So much that a server from TomTom who was there, literally told Tom he was wrong for that. I don’t remember if he ever apologized to her for that.
Let's also not forget Jim not liking the name "Schwartz and sandy" telling jet that, yet when she stands up for hip with Sandoval about it, he goes in on her...i am glad she realizes her mistake and divorced him. Now when needs to not talk to him and cut him out
I don't feel bad for Katie he gave her every sign that he wasn't the "GUY" this is what when you try to force someone to love you...she should've spent that time learning to love herself
Huh... lol you don't need to feel bad for her but you don't have to blame her for HIS actions either. 💀"it's your fault cause you stayed "
1000%
“During our whole relationship debacle”😭 it’s not ok
They made me not want to be in a relationship
Toxic Couple = Katie & Tom
I would say it’s more of Kristen and James
James plus anyone is a toxic relationship.
I don’t know who watches this and doesn’t see how mean Katie is. Tom was confronting her about bullying over a decade ago.
You don't see how bad he treats her?
@@regppMD he is reacting to her.
I’m happy for Katie now ❤
Only 9 minutes?
You can tell Katie forced him to propose ……..
Seriously Bravo? The picture you chose for this video cover is one of Katie yelling and Tom smiling?
He was the boys punching bag so he made her his punching bag. She suffered a lot on that show with other people, let alone him. I feel she went through with the marriage because she really loved him. And she had a shit hot engagement ring she didn’t have to give back after getting married, go girl.
Katie has glowed up since the divorce, while Tom looks washed up, grey and aged... funny how leaving someone who makes you miserable can make you a better, hotter version of yourself :O
He only realised that he treated treasure like trash waaaay too late
A guy that pours a drink on me, DONE
Stassi rubbed off Katie they both wanted to tell people whom to be friends with. I HOPE THEY GREW UP. I seen the old episodes again.
Katie is so dang beautiful!
I think they were both bad to and for each other. Schwartz with his cheating, and taking the being laid back too far. Katie with the pettiness (always asking him to be mad at the people she was currently mad at) even when it didn’t make sense. They never listened to each other, just bad all around. Shocked that wedding happened honestly
Sick couple. Hard to watch Bravo.
5:53 We ALL know why Sandoval is crying and it ain't tears of joy!
Also for attention… 🙄
I’m appalled she stayed with him after Tom threw a drink at her. Even the way he proposed was passive aggressive.
NOT TOM USING THE DOG TO WIPE HIS NOSE 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think she is a beautiful girl that stuck with a boy that never tried to be a man and only cared for hisself. He wanted everyone to feel sorry for him like he was some put upon child. She stood by his side hoping he would become the man she saw in her mind unfortunately he was not that man. I hope she finds true happiness and someone that values her and puts her first in their life because she doesn’t deserve any less!
Not a fan of katies at all, now shes not with Tom hope she is a better person!
it’s very eye opening going through my breakup how similar my relationship is to theirs
THIS is the man that people expected to have a moral compass and tell ariana about the affair?
(i’m so sorry i haven’t watched VPR until scandoval happened so i’m literally just getting to know these ppl 😂)
Katies wedding dress was beautiful though😢
I didn't like Katie for a long time. I did see Tom as the loveable rouge. The fact he's good looking and so mild mannered with everyone (All except Katie. I know she had her moments but ive been in an abusive relationship, both physically, but more painful emotionally and when he says im disgusted by you, yoir such a turn off etc...and thats on camera!! God knows how bad it gets behind closed doors! Tom unfortunately is an abusive man, but they act the good guy to everyone else to hide this and make it look like your the bad one. Classic Emotional Abuser 😢
She shouldve dumped him when he poired that drink on her. Period. I get whats bothering her. All she wants is for him to have her back, and we all want that..These 2 were never compatable, and IMO, Katie is too good for him. Hes a slimey weasel like Sandoval.
Abuse cant believe they put that on TV
That was a hideous timeline.
Excuse me did this man throw a drink over miss Katie?
I’m so happy Katie finally left ❤
I’m so glad she got away from him! She has her whole life ahead of her…. And he has a whole lot of karma ahead of him ⚖️
I think the second Katie gave Tom an ultimatum to be with her the relationship was doomed. I think Katie always played the victim card when Tom would call her out on her bullshit. I also just think Tom was not always there as a partner for her to support her. I think they both had poor actions and decision making which led to the divorce. Everyone is so quick to blame Tom, but Katie was always the victim and the bully.
Tom is literally my ex… literally tells you they cheated but they can’t remember exactly what they did bc they were too drunk 🤮🤮🤮
Bravo is loving this!!
It’s crazy all the girls are single again at the same time
I bet you Sheana will be divorced. There's alot of witchcraft in the group. Watch old episodes. A curse. FR!
In your 20's you aren't sure of life and why so many end up with the wrong people! You see who you want, not what they are showing you. The moments of clarity, you discount.
and is why I meant
When Katie divorced Schwartz, she got a 2 for 1 deal. Both Toxic Toms of Schwartz and Sandoval were removed from her life. I'm happy for her.
Never liked him, never fell for his puppy attitude. I am currently watching season 5 and i can't stand him. He is a master gaslighter, i feel so bad for Katie
Tom and tom should just be together, leave those poor women alone!
I’m sorry… I get everyone being team Katie.. but She got on my nerves.. since day one… Constantly being the Mean Girl, turning nothing into a bigger issue.. and then plays victim when she doesn’t gets her way..🙄🙄.. Season 1 thru 4 she was just me, me, me.. victim, victim, victim.
She wasn’t turning everything into a big deal, she was miserable bc she was staying in a relationship that she outgrew. She was unhappy for years!
@@mariyaa111 that’s no excuse to be a mean girl at times.. and plus she had plenty of opportunities to walk away.. there was issues within that relationship way before she said “ I do” she perpetuate her own unhappiness..
Tom is a dweeb. It seems like Katie always had to fight to be heard and then got cast as the nagging one in the relationship. I hope she finds someone truly respectful who listens to her!
Toxic bachelor forever. He can’t help it. He just can’t be a better man. The grand gestures don’t change that
Honestly… everyone dumping on Tom, I couldn’t imagine having a discussion with Katie. She is NAGGING! There has to be a better way to get your point across. More importantly, if you have to keep trying to get your point across to someone who isn’t understanding you, break up! Don’t seek an engagement and marriage. Y’all have issues. It was clear in the first clip that you aren’t compatible.
Schwartz is a hot mess. Plus he has absolutely gaslighted Katie so many times when she tells the truth in situations.
The rise and fall…it just seemed like they were falling from the beginning. Far more dark times than not.