With more than 1,300 comments so far, mine is a drop in the bucket. Still feel like posting. I find Christopher Dunn very sincere, and I deeply appreciate all he's done. Hoping he will continue to bring out facts and discoveries for a long, long time to come. We need him. He's very important.
The results of the examination of those vases changes everything. There's simply no argument for those being made by hand with crude tools, period. They were made with precision that is unparalleled, even today, in a material that couldn't be more difficult to work with. Even just saying "well they must have been using lathes" changes the entire history of ancient Egypt IMMENSLY, and we all know that just using a lathe is nowhere NEAR enough to get those results.
It's doable on a modern lathe with rigidly fixed cutting tools and bearings/rods with tight tolerances. It's absurd to suggest the Egyptian lathes that they might have used would be capable of modern lathes. A primitive lathe could not make those cases as precisely as they are
@@jasoneubanks645 no it is not doable on a modern lathe. Not with in these materials with such thin walls. That's what makes this so extremely mysterious.
@@jasoneubanks645I think if it is doable it’s really the highest amount of precision it would take more time than we would have to use technology that is t readily available.. that shit is so precise with insane material… we are just now learning how to use machines to manipulate really hard stuff.. we are still learning new methods for metal pinpoint machine arms.. probably expensive as hell
As a former aerospace prototype machinist, it is incredible seeing these vases and artifacts finally being recognized for what they are. Evidence of precision technology as good or better than we have now. The ancients knew exactly what they were doing! Amazing 'sode, thank you!
Praveen is one of the best out there. Can’t believe he’s coming to the US! Id love to meet him and Prof Temple! I don’t agree totally with either of them. But i do mostly agree with them and think the world of both of them.
As a CNC machinist, I find the level of accuracy here absolutely mind-blowing. I have 16 years experience as a setter and programmer on 5 axis milling machines. Even in terms of today's technology it is very impressive. One thing when talking to people who aren't from a machining background, it's very difficult for them to appreciate just how small 20 microns is even when pointing out the width of a human hair in comparison. There is absolutely no way you could achieve this with hand tools. Some kind of mechanical device is at play here for sure.
@@kylefiveoeight Either CNCed from a Block ,3D printed ,cast, water jet ,laser cut submerged. I doubt it was cast. But that is a process used for stuff like that( think of a Bell) They are cast then surface finished . Or the same technology, but better as the method for Polygonal masonry. Some kind of tech that allows mediums to become malleable and then formed, but different than castings , that usually has porosity inherit to the process. these have no porosity .Unless cast under pressure or in a vacuum ,
It would also be interesting to examine and test the holes in the handles . What is the finish,dose it look like the holes were bored after?Or during the initial process.
@@laneovbey4031 those handle holes were more than likely added much later, similar to the crude hieroglyphs etched onto perfectly polished statues, etc.
I read "The Giza Powerplant" nearly 20 years ago and the way the book was laid out made me gulp it up without looking back. It was just so accessible even as a layman. Only someone experienced and diligent can go into great detail on a complex subject and explain it in a way that anyone can understand. And to think that analysis of the structure was merely scratching the surface. I've been fascinated by these structures around the world ever since. The latest "cool" findings I got acquainted with came from the Barabar caves in India which have been laser mapped and analyzed acoustically along with some surface finish measurements...mind-blowing stuff.
Everyone should be very tired of hearing the term, "Where is the evidence?" Clearly, when science is actually applied to these artifacts, need I say anything else? Thank you Ben, again and again for this unbelievable research.
They said the same about rogue waves, where's the evidence? That was until a giant 26 metre wave struck the Draupner oil rig platform in the North Sea on the 1st January 1995, and just so happened to be recorded/data logged and the evidence handed to the "scientists" on a silver platter. Then when science took the phenomena seriously, it was still a slow process but eventually they began to take it seriously and they used satellite radar to scan the world's oceans and they determined that any one given time there are multiple rogue waves (2.5 times the average significant wave height) in the words oceans. Then they had the evidence they wanted, though to be fair the evidence was already there from countless eyewitness testimony and damage to large ships. Science can be very slow at times, and they seem constantly worried about their reputations and are afraid to labelled as a crank just for doing their job.
@@kiasia3219 The evidence is the end product produced by said “mega plasma gigantor lathes” The physical existence or lack their of said lathes is irrelevant. Does not invalidate their end result that we do have, over 40 thousand of, by the way. Smooth brains are masters at cognitive dissonance.
I work with turbine jet engines, our most extreme tolerances are plus or minus 0.0015. A vase with an FIR of 0.001 is incredible. More precise than parts manufactured by GE and Pratt and Whitney.
I literally just today thought that where you are, haven't heard you for a while, and boom there you go and upload a new video! Amazing man, love your work, massive Kudos to both you and Mr. Dunn from Finland!
Mr. Dunn, Thank you for your input, observations, and thinking. Us old guys, yea, we got perspective and wisdom. Wisdom being life. Do not ever discount yourself. And again, Thank You. And Ben, Great Man! Do not stop.
To be fair it’s the future of history, nothing about the scientific method has changed they’re just applying it honestly to the historical record. Thats not to understate what they’re doing but words are important. I say this as a massive fan of both Chris and Ben
@@novembertango1298 To help the ushering in of new research that wouldn't have been done before is creating new discoveries. This sets off scientific interest and more people having scientific discoveries. That will change what we know about science.
With every day machining and 2 stroke crankshafts anything to 1-2thou is perfectly acceptable, anything under that is getting into the world of extreme tolerances, cylinder bores have to be tighter. Plain bearings can be within bloody 4 thou, but anything that is in fractions of 1 thou is incredible.
Yeah, and those are flat concentric profiles. Those vases have crazy curves and profiles as well as the need to relocate the part to multiple fixtures because of the handles. I don't see how a human could do this without access to computers.
@@robmorgan1214 People keep saying “computers”. It is high precision for sure, highly sophisticated technology, but the only thing computers can do that humans can’t is vary things at speed. Study how machining was done in 1920s. Generally a lower quality was used because lower quality was demanded, but when there’s a need for higher precision, it’s not about the computer, but about being more careful in preparing the moving parts in the mechanics. It takes time and care and iteration to build up the technology to 1/1000” precision, but not necessarily digital computing.
@@abj136 you should seriously watch a video on youtube titled "Origins of Precision" by Machine Thinking. would make you appreciate just how long it took humans to be able to measure things down to the 1000th of an inch.
@@abj136 This research goes deeper than you've seen... Follow Ben's project on the vases and you'll see they can be expressed on one mathemathecal algorythm... You'll see that obviously they were made and designed using computers...
Christopher is a top notch investigator. This is a very interesting episode. Thank you both for this information. Good to hear what Mister Dunn had to say about the younger people in Egypt, and their ability to move past the dogma of what traditional Egyptology asserts.
Ben, it’s great to see you coming up from a guy who made some really good videos to a budding, serious archaeologist who got plugged into the best, most honest minds in the field. You’re doing great Ben. Never ever stop
I had a stroll through the Edinburgh Museum a month ago. On the top floor side wing there are artifacts the British stole from Egypt. I saw it with my own eyes!! Beautifully carved and polished granite with crude hieroglyphs hammered into it. With the actual artworks, curves and shapes below them. Someone in the past just hammered these on top of that. And they have the audacity to say this was done by the same people?
What a marvellous conversation; I love your interview style, you are so personable and really get the most out of Chris. Superb work, congrats to you both.
With the measurements in dimensions being so precise on all vases. It would be interesting to know what the volume would be for each vase. With so much attention placed in making the vase to such precision, the volume for each container must be also very precise. They were made for a specific purpose so must have a specific volume
My theory involves acoustics, from chants. maybe throat singing where you can resonate. They may act as waveguides or traverse down or up using acoustics from your voice to manipulate matter. did they help make the holes, help with the scoop marks that to me in my EE discipline. they look like wave propagations. and for some reason, I cant get that lapis tube out of my head that also might played a roll in this. they may have used acoustic based technology.
I'm always on the edge of my seat for these discussions! It seems to me that we must be the first generation of humans to be so reliant on petroleum products (like plastic and liquid fuel). Otherwise, surely someone would have discovered microplastics in burial sites and the like, ages ago. I think further inquiry into the nature of the society that created the pyramids might benefit from a standpoint of post-industrial origins, but skipping the conveniences and hedonism that plastic has allowed us. I believe that whatever happened to those people's culture was a grave blow to humanity at large, that has cost us a lot of time spent climbing out of the hole we've dug ourselves into.
I’m glad I can follow along with the machine talk. I work in a CNC shop and I have many years of CNC QA experience. We make body jewelry on Swiss lathes. Tolerances down to +/-.002”. And I love the Egypt mystery. 😎👍🏼
Rather, as German physicist Max Planck somewhat cynically declared, science advances one funeral at a time. Planck noted “a new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” Big thank you for this interview.
Yes, I would love someone to debunk the channel science against myths. They make almost this quality in their backyard without 5000 years of experience, just watching paintings from the egyptians. Please debunk them. UnchartedX will not do it, so please someone…
@@haknys you can't debunk deception. who knows what tools are used when the cameras aren't rolling. if i record myself drawing some circles on a blank canvas, then the camera cuts and the next scene shows me putting the final brush strokes on a beautiful painting, how do you know i painted the entire thing?
@@AustinKoleCarlisle And does that apply to Mr. Dunn who did not document his test, or only the 3 other who did document their test? And why would all 3 fake their videos about this, risking their name and reputation? Could the pseudoscientists repeat the test? Why do they spend 100 hours on youtube and 0 hours on actuall testing?
Christopher Dunn is one of the most brilliant engineers and men of the century. The pyramid of Khufu is obviously not a tomb, but it is much more the power plant and RAM rather makes so much more sense. Thank you for sharing your brilliance with the world. Thank you for sharing this with us. UnchartedX is one of my favorite channels. With the two most common elements in the universe being hydrogen and stupidity, and one drive on the freeway proves hydrogen isn't even a close second. It's truly refreshing to find intelligent content. I suspect that a heavy-duty high-speed industrial metal lathe with a diamond bit power cutting tool or something similar. Boeing Co. has the potential to manufacture or replicate the diorite and granite vases. Thank you Ben.
I've long been a fan of Chris Dunn and have ordered his new book. I've also been following the incredible vase work that's been going on. It was great to see the Giza pyramid and the vases tied together in this terrific video. Thank you!
Once again, you have both provided future research and archaeo-science with a solid basis for understanding the development of human culture! Christopher's book is on its way to me and I can hardly wait! Thank you for an extraordinary post :)
You guys have started a new branch of archaeology. It should be now called "Precision Archaeology". 🤠 And the archaeologists who didn't pass the exams should not be allowed to criticize these results.
Interesting how he's somehow more of an expert on this stuff than actual archaeologists. What this guy has contributed to is called pseudo-archaeology and pseudo-science. Unfortunately these are not very positive contributions to the world.
@@kiasia3219 Most every major advancement in science was similarly greeted. Consensus has nothing to do with science and *scientists* are NOT science, not that archaeology is even all that scientific in practice, too much interpretation. Shortly after Einstein published some of his radical new theories a reporter queried him: "You know that 95% of physicists think you are wrong." Einstein: "It only takes ONE to prove I'm wrong." These guys may be wrong about many things but they have demonstrated very well that establishment archaeology is ridiculous in some of it's claims. Bronze chisels are NOT what created these vases, asinine to argue so. If you found a piston engine equal in precision to a modern engine, but had solid proof it was 20,000 yrs old, would you claim it was made by hand with bronze chisels just because those were the only tools found?? Apparently most archaeologists would.
@@kiasia3219 It took mainstream geologists 70 yrs to even *look* at the evidence for the massive Missoula floods while they ridiculed the discoverer, Bretz, at every opportunity. Why? Because gradualism was the only recognized mechanism and massive floods reeked of Biblical nonsense. Boy were they wrong. (as big as real floods were, they are not global/biblical in scale, not even close, but to witnesses on the ground they may seem so, hence the litany of flood mythologies) This scenario plays out time and again, establishment scientists are heavily invested in their theories, sometimes the old guard needs to die off before advancement is possible.
@@kiasia3219 most scientific discoveries have been by accident from normal individuals. should that disqualify the findings? what an unbelievably ignorant viewpoint.
BRILLIANT! Long time nerd here and follower of the late Nikola Tesla. Tesla hid cryptic messages in his work and eluded to the Great Pyramid being the blueprint for his Tesla tower. Tesla's work had me stumble upon this community. Hypothesis: BAM drew a circumference around the world and found that the megalithic structures were all found along the line across the entire circumference of the globe. Assume the Great Pyramid was indeed a giant power plant and everything fits together because it would be able to distribute its power across all megalithic sites along the aforementioned circumference. Free electricity AND free lighting because all the crystals in the granite stones would illuminate. "But where's the evidence?!!" How many Vikings artefacts still remain? Not many, and all gone pretty quickly. Of course any ancient Egyptian equipment would be lost over tens of thousands of years! Just look at the state of the magnificent Antikythera mechanism. There's also the other prospect, they're still here and are living incognito. That sure would explain all the UAPs.
Ive been a ceramic artist for 20 years. I've been talking about the precision of the Egyptian stone vases from the first time I saw them and I told the teacher. They did not just carve that. Because I'm good, but I can't do that.
@@TheMookie1590 you cannot simply say "it seems impossible" therefore high ancient lost tech. One was just created using simple tools to similar symmetry. Showing it could have been done. It's a lack of knowledge to claim that the Egyptians didn't do it without evidence
Love to see you guys demonstrate how these could be made today and show the challenges and tools required. Everyone says it’s hard but actually seeing it demonstrated would help it sink in just how hard it is.
Really like the thrust of the dialogue in this interview. The research is at a point where engineering is making proof statements. With that in hand, I wonder if you can now shift to the strategic. Get engineering depts to tell archeological depts they can take a walk...
The thing that is so obvious here, is the indifference to seeing something for what it is. The academic community is invested in keeping the status quo and will refute anything that challenges that narrative. In short, it is one thing for somthing to be true or refuted. It is quite another for wanting it to be true of refuted. And that is the premise they operate from.
Thank you all for doing this work. This is bleeding edge archaeology in a way and I just hope that people will understand the significance of these findings ❤
You'll never get a bad reaction from me mate! I really like all the stuff you look into and people you talk with. Great to see this interview/meeting with Christopher Dunn.
As a machinist and student of ancient technology , I would love to sit down, and talk with Chris. Machining is all about precision. We are all in search of the perfect vase!
As a former mechanical nuclear inspector I find the inspection room videos super interesting. It'd be a dream to get to measure some of those vases. Mr Dunn speaks my language. I still have an electronic 20 millionths indicator.
Yeah awesome work Ben Chris Dunn is a bloody Legend his findings over the years has truly brought some light onto these amazing sites and structures in Egypt .. Its you Ben that got me into this ancient technology search of things back in our past and being able to get on two of your tours so far has been unbelievable. From watching your extremely well done video's and being able to get into the same sites and places that you show and feel in person what it is like to see them up close with your own eyes there is nothing else like it ... until next man hopefully soon 🙂🤙
Awesome Interview Ben, thank you! I think I could listen to Mr. Dunn speak all day. Hopefully you will Reply 👍 Question: obviously ancient Egyptians had the knowledge to craft gold & copper jewelry, so did they have the knowledge of soldering ? Stay Awesome Ben, Thanks! Best…
More and more real "experts" are talking about it and I am glad for that. Anyone that says that this can be achieved by hand tools only have a problem understanding about the "how" it is done. It is almost like talk to kids that can't really grasp the notion of "too small or too big quantity" yet. Now with the Barabar caves documentary success, I hope more "experts in the field" take this seriously and question about the "official" human timeline
Dear Ben, I have been individually researching a great many topics, such as those related to your work, since I was a child, and im 31. Just saying, I have observed a great deal of data. So, now, I hope this message reaches you. Certainly, you wouldn't say it this way, but you should be so incredibly proud of what you have done, the efforts made, your awesome insights, your constantly cheery, pleasant, level headed, and compassionate demeanor is literally an inspiration. Idk if people tell you a lot, or not, but I am so grateful, that our beloved world, is made brighter, in many ways, by your presence and behavior. I truly, deeply, sincerely wish you All The Best. May you be blessed and gilled with love and light. May your experience be joyful, peacful, and prosperous, always. Namaste 🙏 -Colton
A very simple test can be preformed on the core No.7 but rotating the core on a turntable. If you use low angle lighting (dark field illumination) as the core is rotated, you will see the groove progress up (or down) the surface. If they are horizontal grooves, they will stay in one position or maybe rise and fall a slight amount. Another idea would be to use a machine vision line-scan camera (Basler and/or Dalsa Teledyne make them plus a few others) which can 'photograph' the groove in a linear fashion and using software like CVB (from STEMMER Imaging) you will be able to trace the groove digitally.
Thank you for your work Ben and Chris Dunn! I bought both Giza Power Plant and The Tesla Connection books and can't wait to dive into them. I hope that Ben will write a book some day too, i am sure it would be an amazing read!
Would be curious to see the surface of the vase under a Scanning Electron Microscope. There should be striations from the machining or polishing processes that would aid in understanding how they were manufactured.
Ben it’s good to see you investigating this type of genre of research, I hate how a lot of TH-camrs just dismiss this stuff as “nutty conspiracies” and act like they know everything. Truth is, we hardly know shit. You’re the only TH-camr taking this research seriously and not casting it aside as pseudoscience
With the ultrasonic method, if the electrode was on a thread, the helix left in the core wouldn't be wandering and varying in pitch, it looks more like a drill that's been hand fed so the feed rate will vary.
Measurement is the basis of science. Glad, so very glad, this was done to the vases. You can't deny measurement data that is repeatable (if anyone else would ever do it...). And I recall the Egyptian Priest that Herodotus spoke to stated something along the lines that the pyramids were built with "machines". This could mean a lot of things, but it appears to mean more than simple tools.
I wouldn't.... Until I applied a tool to it... Shards of quartz flying everywhere... Or even bits of tool... Granite is tough stuff and it'll take strong bearings and a 'rock solid' tool holder. Not to mention the rigid collet to hold the stone and the likelihood of wrenching a lump out is too much for my skill level.... I wouldn't even attempt to cut granite in a lathe...
I like it very much, much-needed discussions on these age old questions, that haven't been answered adequately at all, i am big new fan, only just came across you on weekend and can't stop watching and i am just a layperson, amateur artist!❤😂love Chris Dunn, great man!
The thing I find astonishing is that these seemingly everyday objects were made with such precision. Even today we don't use these tolerances for tableware, but in machines and tools.
I wish you could get a spot on the JRE. Graham Hancock's last episode left a sour taste in my mouth and I believe you are the person we need to bring this topic to the limelight
He should stay as far from Rogan as possible. Rogan is not a scientist and for years thought the moon landing was fake. He uses talented people but has no qualifications at all Plus he supports nonsense and fascists. F him.
I've been on JRE before, he did say he wanted me to come back. One of these days I'll follow up on that. Honestly it's a lot of pressure having that booked, I'm not really in this for attention, but I'll get over it and reach out at some point. We'll see.
Been waiting for this brilliant deep dive you put together for a while with you & chris. an incredible back and forth ben. You are our SET in life. Thanks young brother🇬🇧💙🇦🇺
I went and watched Friedemann Freund Ted talk about earthquakes and realized I had watched it years ago. Super interesting how everything is starting to be linked together and if Chris is right, how the ancient Egyptians utilized the Earth is no many interesting ways. Def gonna give his new book a read. Great video Ben. Keep em comin!
Wonder what Flint Dibble thinks to these vases??? Probably thinks he can knock them up easy whilst hungover on a sunday with some clay, whilst the greatest hits of Fleetwood Mac is playing in the background.
I recently read a journal wrote by a Rocky Mtn. trapper. In it he tells of finding one of these granite jars, along with other interesting natural wonders. The Journal has some detail of location to be in the Wind river area.
1:02:44 I doubt there was an intact core for that big and shallow of a hole. I think it's more likely to be a bore hole from some kind of grinding auger, because that is HUGE!
Did the ancient Egyptians have 5 axis CNC's - if so they did a fantastic job on that stone with their diamond tip tools! We have a machine at work that would be perfect to try and replicate those vases as that would be the only way to do it - a combination 5 axis mill/lathe that puts out some miraculous work. Great video guys thankyou.
With more than 1,300 comments so far, mine is a drop in the bucket. Still feel like posting. I find Christopher Dunn very sincere, and I deeply appreciate all he's done. Hoping he will continue to bring out facts and discoveries for a long, long time to come. We need him. He's very important.
Here’s a couple more 👍🏻 from another drop in the bucket 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The results of the examination of those vases changes everything. There's simply no argument for those being made by hand with crude tools, period. They were made with precision that is unparalleled, even today, in a material that couldn't be more difficult to work with. Even just saying "well they must have been using lathes" changes the entire history of ancient Egypt IMMENSLY, and we all know that just using a lathe is nowhere NEAR enough to get those results.
But it is.
@@SiegfriedSTMBut it is not.
It's doable on a modern lathe with rigidly fixed cutting tools and bearings/rods with tight tolerances. It's absurd to suggest the Egyptian lathes that they might have used would be capable of modern lathes.
A primitive lathe could not make those cases as precisely as they are
@@jasoneubanks645 no it is not doable on a modern lathe. Not with in these materials with such thin walls. That's what makes this so extremely mysterious.
@@jasoneubanks645I think if it is doable it’s really the highest amount of precision it would take more time than we would have to use technology that is t readily available.. that shit is so precise with insane material… we are just now learning how to use machines to manipulate really hard stuff.. we are still learning new methods for metal pinpoint machine arms.. probably expensive as hell
As a former aerospace prototype machinist, it is incredible seeing these vases and artifacts finally being recognized for what they are. Evidence of precision technology as good or better than we have now. The ancients knew exactly what they were doing! Amazing 'sode, thank you!
Very happy to hear you mention Praveen Mohan. That guy has been doing incredible boots-on-the-ground work for years!
Kudos to P. M.
Praveen is one of the best out there. Can’t believe he’s coming to the US! Id love to meet him and Prof Temple! I don’t agree totally with either of them. But i do mostly agree with them and think the world of both of them.
@@Stonecutter334 Todeah...
Kailasa temple in Basalt is the gnarliest site on the planet right next to the aswan obelisk (and the dolerite balls 🤣🤣🤣)
I do like Mohan... India is packed full of stories
As a CNC machinist, I find the level of accuracy here absolutely mind-blowing. I have 16 years experience as a setter and programmer on 5 axis milling machines. Even in terms of today's technology it is very impressive. One thing when talking to people who aren't from a machining background, it's very difficult for them to appreciate just how small 20 microns is even when pointing out the width of a human hair in comparison. There is absolutely no way you could achieve this with hand tools. Some kind of mechanical device is at play here for sure.
Thanks I was looking for a comment like this . How would you go about making one of these if you had to?
@@kylefiveoeight Either CNCed from a Block ,3D printed ,cast, water jet ,laser cut submerged. I doubt it was cast. But that is a process used for stuff like that( think of a Bell) They are cast then surface finished . Or the same technology, but better as the method for Polygonal masonry. Some kind of tech that allows mediums to become malleable and then formed, but different than castings , that usually has porosity inherit to the process. these have no porosity .Unless cast under pressure or in a vacuum ,
@@kylefiveoeight Or a tech that allows the medium to be malleable and formed with a die under pressure.
It would also be interesting to examine and test the holes in the handles . What is the finish,dose it look like the holes were bored after?Or during the initial process.
@@laneovbey4031 those handle holes were more than likely added much later, similar to the crude hieroglyphs etched onto perfectly polished statues, etc.
Chris Dunn will be widely recognised some day in the future. No doubt about it.
Thank you so much for your work, Ben.
No
He is already reconised....as a liar. He faked his report of his trials with core drilling. Has been debunked 3 times now....with video.
He will be, as the man with the most annoying accent 🙄
Well, at least he has a personality,
I thoroughly enjoyed that conversation. Thanks!❤
Thank you!!!
It’s been a year since the scan, how’s this not international headline news? It’s among the most exciting & significant developments in archaeology
Because bullshit
@@dimitrishow_D BS whY?
@@dimitrishow_D because it single handedly proves against the timeline?
@@dimitrishow_D You have said nothing of value.
Because this is the physical evidence that makes the whole house of cards collapse.
I read "The Giza Powerplant" nearly 20 years ago and the way the book was laid out made me gulp it up without looking back. It was just so accessible even as a layman. Only someone experienced and diligent can go into great detail on a complex subject and explain it in a way that anyone can understand. And to think that analysis of the structure was merely scratching the surface. I've been fascinated by these structures around the world ever since. The latest "cool" findings I got acquainted with came from the Barabar caves in India which have been laser mapped and analyzed acoustically along with some surface finish measurements...mind-blowing stuff.
Everyone should be very tired of hearing the term, "Where is the evidence?" Clearly, when science is actually applied to these artifacts, need I say anything else?
Thank you Ben, again and again for this unbelievable research.
But where is the evidence? All the mega plasma gigantor lathes just vanished? Interesting
Asked and answered over and over
They said the same about rogue waves, where's the evidence? That was until a giant 26 metre wave struck the Draupner oil rig platform in the North Sea on the 1st January 1995, and just so happened to be recorded/data logged and the evidence handed to the "scientists" on a silver platter. Then when science took the phenomena seriously, it was still a slow process but eventually they began to take it seriously and they used satellite radar to scan the world's oceans and they determined that any one given time there are multiple rogue waves (2.5 times the average significant wave height) in the words oceans. Then they had the evidence they wanted, though to be fair the evidence was already there from countless eyewitness testimony and damage to large ships. Science can be very slow at times, and they seem constantly worried about their reputations and are afraid to labelled as a crank just for doing their job.
Well it just creates more questions really not answers
@@kiasia3219 The evidence is the end product produced by said “mega plasma gigantor lathes” The physical existence or lack their of said lathes is irrelevant. Does not invalidate their end result that we do have, over 40 thousand of, by the way. Smooth brains are masters at cognitive dissonance.
I work with turbine jet engines, our most extreme tolerances are plus or minus 0.0015. A vase with an FIR of 0.001 is incredible. More precise than parts manufactured by GE and Pratt and Whitney.
Christopher Dunn is literally a TREASURE. Protect him at all costs! Great interview Ben!
"protect him at all cost" saying is tired and so unoriginal. just stop it already
@@OttoNommik Yes almighty one, 10 people agreed.
@@OttoNommik You're one of those people who just gets off running around the internet, insulting people...
@@OttoNommikNo. We must protect him at ALL COSTS.
Whereas quoting another person is the very definition of original thought......
I literally just today thought that where you are, haven't heard you for a while, and boom there you go and upload a new video! Amazing man, love your work, massive Kudos to both you and Mr. Dunn from Finland!
Mr. Dunn, Thank you for your input, observations, and thinking. Us old guys, yea, we got perspective and wisdom. Wisdom being life. Do not ever discount yourself. And again, Thank You.
And Ben, Great Man! Do not stop.
YOU are changing the future of science, my friend. Living the dream. Well done.
To be fair it’s the future of history, nothing about the scientific method has changed they’re just applying it honestly to the historical record. Thats not to understate what they’re doing but words are important. I say this as a massive fan of both Chris and Ben
@@novembertango1298 To help the ushering in of new research that wouldn't have been done before is creating new discoveries. This sets off scientific interest and more people having scientific discoveries. That will change what we know about science.
@@robbsclassics fair play
With every day machining and 2 stroke crankshafts anything to 1-2thou is perfectly acceptable, anything under that is getting into the world of extreme tolerances, cylinder bores have to be tighter. Plain bearings can be within bloody 4 thou, but anything that is in fractions of 1 thou is incredible.
Yeah, and those are flat concentric profiles. Those vases have crazy curves and profiles as well as the need to relocate the part to multiple fixtures because of the handles. I don't see how a human could do this without access to computers.
@@robmorgan1214 People keep saying “computers”. It is high precision for sure, highly sophisticated technology, but the only thing computers can do that humans can’t is vary things at speed. Study how machining was done in 1920s. Generally a lower quality was used because lower quality was demanded, but when there’s a need for higher precision, it’s not about the computer, but about being more careful in preparing the moving parts in the mechanics. It takes time and care and iteration to build up the technology to 1/1000” precision, but not necessarily digital computing.
@@abj136 you should seriously watch a video on youtube titled "Origins of Precision" by Machine Thinking. would make you appreciate just how long it took humans to be able to measure things down to the 1000th of an inch.
@@abj136 This research goes deeper than you've seen... Follow Ben's project on the vases and you'll see they can be expressed on one mathemathecal algorythm...
You'll see that obviously they were made and designed using computers...
@@abj136 yeah but even to come up with the design and to transfer that complex design to a machine has to require an advanced computer
Thank you Ben. As always, please keep it up. You're an absolute star !
Christopher is a top notch investigator. This is a very interesting episode. Thank you both for this information. Good to hear what Mister Dunn had to say about the younger people in Egypt, and their ability to move past the dogma of what traditional Egyptology asserts.
Ben, it’s great to see you coming up from a guy who made some really good videos to a budding, serious archaeologist who got plugged into the best, most honest minds in the field.
You’re doing great Ben. Never ever stop
I had a stroll through the Edinburgh Museum a month ago. On the top floor side wing there are artifacts the British stole from Egypt. I saw it with my own eyes!!
Beautifully carved and polished granite with crude hieroglyphs hammered into it. With the actual artworks, curves and shapes below them. Someone in the past just hammered these on top of that. And they have the audacity to say this was done by the same people?
Well said. By this same broken logic, future archaeologists will insist that our modern day graffiti artists made the buildings they vandalized.
@@thedaily30Or maybe they will look at what is carved into the foundation stone, and read the date and the name of the person who laid that stone.
@@rosifervincent9481 except that never happens.
@@vadimbellous8313 Modern buildings have that foundation stone with the carvings. Egyptian buildings did not except they were later chiseled by hand.
So they were made by computers and power tools?
What a marvellous conversation; I love your interview style, you are so personable and really get the most out of Chris. Superb work, congrats to you both.
With the measurements in dimensions being so precise on all vases. It would be interesting to know what the volume would be for each vase. With so much attention placed in making the vase to such precision, the volume for each container must be also very precise.
They were made for a specific purpose so must have a specific volume
Interesting
Ah, yes, very good thought.
This makes me think about weight as well! And other measurement more clever people might think of. Good thinking man.
My theory involves acoustics, from chants. maybe throat singing where you can resonate. They may act as waveguides or traverse down or up using acoustics from your voice to manipulate matter.
did they help make the holes, help with the scoop marks that to me in my EE discipline. they look like wave propagations.
and for some reason, I cant get that lapis tube out of my head that also might played a roll in this.
they may have used acoustic based technology.
I'm always on the edge of my seat for these discussions!
It seems to me that we must be the first generation of humans to be so reliant on petroleum products (like plastic and liquid fuel). Otherwise, surely someone would have discovered microplastics in burial sites and the like, ages ago.
I think further inquiry into the nature of the society that created the pyramids might benefit from a standpoint of post-industrial origins, but skipping the conveniences and hedonism that plastic has allowed us. I believe that whatever happened to those people's culture was a grave blow to humanity at large, that has cost us a lot of time spent climbing out of the hole we've dug ourselves into.
I’m glad I can follow along with the machine talk. I work in a CNC shop and I have many years of CNC QA experience. We make body jewelry on Swiss lathes. Tolerances down to +/-.002”. And I love the Egypt mystery. 😎👍🏼
Could these be made with a machine similar to the ones you work with?
Christopher Dunn must be so happy to see his work find such a large audience after all of these years
Christopher Dunn is besides of being a gifted engeneer a wise man, who is worth listen to and read.
Rather, as German physicist Max Planck somewhat cynically declared, science advances one funeral at a time. Planck noted “a new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” Big thank you for this interview.
Yes, I would love someone to debunk the channel science against myths. They make almost this quality in their backyard without 5000 years of experience, just watching paintings from the egyptians. Please debunk them. UnchartedX will not do it, so please someone…
@@haknys you can't debunk deception. who knows what tools are used when the cameras aren't rolling. if i record myself drawing some circles on a blank canvas, then the camera cuts and the next scene shows me putting the final brush strokes on a beautiful painting, how do you know i painted the entire thing?
@@AustinKoleCarlisle And does that apply to Mr. Dunn who did not document his test, or only the 3 other who did document their test? And why would all 3 fake their videos about this, risking their name and reputation? Could the pseudoscientists repeat the test? Why do they spend 100 hours on youtube and 0 hours on actuall testing?
what a amazing talk, thanks for the upload Ben
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Christopher Dunn is one of the most brilliant engineers and men of the century. The pyramid of Khufu is obviously not a tomb, but it is much more the power plant and RAM rather makes so much more sense. Thank you for sharing your brilliance with the world. Thank you for sharing this with us. UnchartedX is one of my favorite channels. With the two most common elements in the universe being hydrogen and stupidity, and one drive on the freeway proves hydrogen isn't even a close second. It's truly refreshing to find intelligent content.
I suspect that a heavy-duty high-speed industrial metal lathe with a diamond bit power cutting tool or something similar. Boeing Co. has the potential to manufacture or replicate the diorite and granite vases. Thank you Ben.
I've long been a fan of Chris Dunn and have ordered his new book. I've also been following the incredible vase work that's been going on. It was great to see the Giza pyramid and the vases tied together in this terrific video. Thank you!
Once again, you have both provided future research and archaeo-science with a solid basis for understanding the development of human culture! Christopher's book is on its way to me and I can hardly wait! Thank you for an extraordinary post :)
Thank you for all of your videos and interviews!
Christopher Dunn is a legend, mate.
You guys have started a new branch of archaeology. It should be now called "Precision Archaeology". 🤠 And the archaeologists who didn't pass the exams should not be allowed to criticize these results.
Like a mix of engineering certificate and archaeological qualification
Interesting how he's somehow more of an expert on this stuff than actual archaeologists. What this guy has contributed to is called pseudo-archaeology and pseudo-science. Unfortunately these are not very positive contributions to the world.
@@kiasia3219 Most every major advancement in science was similarly greeted. Consensus has nothing to do with science and *scientists* are NOT science, not that archaeology is even all that scientific in practice, too much interpretation.
Shortly after Einstein published some of his radical new theories a reporter queried him: "You know that 95% of physicists think you are wrong." Einstein: "It only takes ONE to prove I'm wrong."
These guys may be wrong about many things but they have demonstrated very well that establishment archaeology is ridiculous in some of it's claims. Bronze chisels are NOT what created these vases, asinine to argue so. If you found a piston engine equal in precision to a modern engine, but had solid proof it was 20,000 yrs old, would you claim it was made by hand with bronze chisels just because those were the only tools found?? Apparently most archaeologists would.
@@kiasia3219 It took mainstream geologists 70 yrs to even *look* at the evidence for the massive Missoula floods while they ridiculed the discoverer, Bretz, at every opportunity. Why? Because gradualism was the only recognized mechanism and massive floods reeked of Biblical nonsense. Boy were they wrong.
(as big as real floods were, they are not global/biblical in scale, not even close, but to witnesses on the ground they may seem so, hence the litany of flood mythologies)
This scenario plays out time and again, establishment scientists are heavily invested in their theories, sometimes the old guard needs to die off before advancement is possible.
@@kiasia3219 most scientific discoveries have been by accident from normal individuals. should that disqualify the findings? what an unbelievably ignorant viewpoint.
Ben, hang tough you are an inspiration. I have gone in a very different direction but you are a huge part of my awakening process
BRILLIANT!
Long time nerd here and follower of the late Nikola Tesla. Tesla hid cryptic messages in his work and eluded to the Great Pyramid being the blueprint for his Tesla tower. Tesla's work had me stumble upon this community.
Hypothesis: BAM drew a circumference around the world and found that the megalithic structures were all found along the line across the entire circumference of the globe. Assume the Great Pyramid was indeed a giant power plant and everything fits together because it would be able to distribute its power across all megalithic sites along the aforementioned circumference. Free electricity AND free lighting because all the crystals in the granite stones would illuminate.
"But where's the evidence?!!" How many Vikings artefacts still remain? Not many, and all gone pretty quickly. Of course any ancient Egyptian equipment would be lost over tens of thousands of years! Just look at the state of the magnificent Antikythera mechanism.
There's also the other prospect, they're still here and are living incognito. That sure would explain all the UAPs.
Ive been a ceramic artist for 20 years. I've been talking about the precision of the Egyptian stone vases from the first time I saw them and I told the teacher. They did not just carve that. Because I'm good, but I can't do that.
So how was it done
@@garyorlando9754 how is he suppsoed to know???? dont be idiotic. you can say something wasnt done a wya without knowing how they did it
@@TheMookie1590 you cannot simply say "it seems impossible" therefore high ancient lost tech. One was just created using simple tools to similar symmetry. Showing it could have been done. It's a lack of knowledge to claim that the Egyptians didn't do it without evidence
Love to see you guys demonstrate how these could be made today and show the challenges and tools required. Everyone says it’s hard but actually seeing it demonstrated would help it sink in just how hard it is.
scanning other modern vases and objects for comparison would be educational and enlightening.
Was thinking about your videos this morning. Thanks for all your hard work and thanks to Dunn for going to the trouble of analyzing these.
Really like the thrust of the dialogue in this interview. The research is at a point where engineering is making proof statements. With that in hand, I wonder if you can now shift to the strategic. Get engineering depts to tell archeological depts they can take a walk...
Keep it up Ben, you're doing phenomenal work & making breakthrough discoveries that will soon change our history books.
Yes! More Christopher Dunn!
The thing that is so obvious here, is the indifference to seeing something for what it is. The academic community is invested in keeping the status quo and will refute anything that challenges that narrative. In short, it is one thing for somthing to be true or refuted. It is quite another for wanting it to be true of refuted. And that is the premise they operate from.
everyone knew COVID wasn't a big deal but that didn't stop "science" from refusing to see reality.
Excellent talk! PLEASE let Chris I would listen to him talk any time! Thank you Ben for doing this hard work.
Nothing but complete respect for the work being done here ...!
One thing I can appreciate about Christopher Dunn ,is the fact that he can admitt something he said in the past was wrong and address that.
If you are getting resistance you .must be over the target . . . LOVE IT!
Hope to visit at the summit !
From the title of your video alone, you just totally made my week!! 😁
Thank you all for doing this work. This is bleeding edge archaeology in a way and I just hope that people will understand the significance of these findings ❤
You'll never get a bad reaction from me mate! I really like all the stuff you look into and people you talk with. Great to see this interview/meeting with Christopher Dunn.
I'll do it....bullshit
You`re alright, for an Aussi! Fair praise indeed! Great chat there lads, well done both!
Thank you and Much Love from the Philippines.❤
As a machinist and student of ancient technology , I would love to sit down, and talk with Chris. Machining is all about precision. We are all in search of the perfect vase!
As a former mechanical nuclear inspector I find the inspection room videos super interesting. It'd be a dream to get to measure some of those vases. Mr Dunn speaks my language. I still have an electronic 20 millionths indicator.
I literally checked your channel yesterday hoping that i had missed a video but alas no. Imagine my excitement when i get this notification. 🍿
Lmao no way, me too. Literally.
@@scrupulouspoopulous4043 must be the collective consciousness telling us it was about to come 😂
Ben and Christopher Dunn, two of my favorite people to listen to. How I missed you six days ago I'll never know. Now I'll have to buy Chris's book...
Thanks Ben & Mr Dunn 💡
As a auzzie farmer and a bush mechanic it all stands out that his is something we would struggle to do today good work men
Great timing! I have just placed my order for the book today! :)
I'm always struck by Chris' obvious love for and dedication to his work - a true heir to Petrie.
So great that Shatner is a supporter of new ideas. I didnt know he had a background in engineering too.
Yeah awesome work Ben Chris Dunn is a bloody Legend his findings over the years has truly brought some light onto these amazing sites and structures in Egypt .. Its you Ben that got me into this ancient technology search of things back in our past and being able to get on two of your tours so far has been unbelievable.
From watching your extremely well done video's and being able to get into the same sites and places that you show and feel in person what it is like to see them up close with your own eyes there is nothing else like it ... until next man hopefully soon 🙂🤙
Awesome Interview Ben, thank you! I think I could listen to Mr. Dunn speak all day. Hopefully you will Reply 👍
Question: obviously ancient Egyptians had the knowledge to craft gold & copper jewelry, so did they have the knowledge of soldering ?
Stay Awesome Ben, Thanks! Best…
More and more real "experts" are talking about it and I am glad for that. Anyone that says that this can be achieved by hand tools only have a problem understanding about the "how" it is done. It is almost like talk to kids that can't really grasp the notion of "too small or too big quantity" yet.
Now with the Barabar caves documentary success, I hope more "experts in the field" take this seriously and question about the "official" human timeline
Oh my God 2.5 hours? Been waiting for something like this for so long
Dear Ben, I have been individually researching a great many topics, such as those related to your work, since I was a child, and im 31. Just saying, I have observed a great deal of data. So, now, I hope this message reaches you. Certainly, you wouldn't say it this way, but you should be so incredibly proud of what you have done, the efforts made, your awesome insights, your constantly cheery, pleasant, level headed, and compassionate demeanor is literally an inspiration. Idk if people tell you a lot, or not, but I am so grateful, that our beloved world, is made brighter, in many ways, by your presence and behavior. I truly, deeply, sincerely wish you All The Best. May you be blessed and gilled with love and light. May your experience be joyful, peacful, and prosperous, always. Namaste 🙏
-Colton
A very simple test can be preformed on the core No.7 but rotating the core on a turntable. If you use low angle lighting (dark field illumination) as the core is rotated, you will see the groove progress up (or down) the surface. If they are horizontal grooves, they will stay in one position or maybe rise and fall a slight amount.
Another idea would be to use a machine vision line-scan camera (Basler and/or Dalsa Teledyne make them plus a few others) which can 'photograph' the groove in a linear fashion and using software like CVB (from STEMMER Imaging) you will be able to trace the groove digitally.
Thank you for your work Ben and Chris Dunn! I bought both Giza Power Plant and The Tesla Connection books and can't wait to dive into them.
I hope that Ben will write a book some day too, i am sure it would be an amazing read!
Would be curious to see the surface of the vase under a Scanning Electron Microscope. There should be striations from the machining or polishing processes that would aid in understanding how they were manufactured.
Ben is like a kid in the candy shop w/ the head confectioner! Great work man 🧡🥂
Chris Dunn and x1.5 speed are best friends
x1.25
Kids these days. He is like a fine wine, savor him while he is here
1.25 works for both
@0001nika If I was talking to him, yes. If it's a video recording which I can watch after he'd dead, I'll 1.4x
Getting old sucks :(
Ben it’s good to see you investigating this type of genre of research, I hate how a lot of TH-camrs just dismiss this stuff as “nutty conspiracies” and act like they know everything. Truth is, we hardly know shit. You’re the only TH-camr taking this research seriously and not casting it aside as pseudoscience
With the ultrasonic method, if the electrode was on a thread, the helix left in the core wouldn't be wandering and varying in pitch, it looks more like a drill that's been hand fed so the feed rate will vary.
that leads me to believe it was a handheld ultrasonic drill.
You should do a similar metrology on one of the dynastic period copies of the vases. It would be quite illuminating to see the difference.
Great work Ben.
Measurement is the basis of science. Glad, so very glad, this was done to the vases. You can't deny measurement data that is repeatable (if anyone else would ever do it...).
And I recall the Egyptian Priest that Herodotus spoke to stated something along the lines that the pyramids were built with "machines". This could mean a lot of things, but it appears to mean more than simple tools.
I was a machinist for years, and I would be very nervous firing up a lathe with a block of granite on it.
I wouldn't.... Until I applied a tool to it... Shards of quartz flying everywhere... Or even bits of tool... Granite is tough stuff and it'll take strong bearings and a 'rock solid' tool holder. Not to mention the rigid collet to hold the stone and the likelihood of wrenching a lump out is too much for my skill level.... I wouldn't even attempt to cut granite in a lathe...
@@ask_dr_tom There's always one stupid twatt...
Do they make special stone cutting (whatever you call the cutting part)?
@@kylefiveoeight Rephrase that question and someone might answer...
@@Starlingchaser do they make CNC bits for cutting stone?
I like it very much, much-needed discussions on these age old questions, that haven't been answered adequately at all, i am big new fan, only just came across you on weekend and can't stop watching and i am just a layperson, amateur artist!❤😂love Chris Dunn, great man!
I ordered the book today, looking forward to finally get it! 😊 Also i am hoping Ben will do a book about the vases etc.
The thing I find astonishing is that these seemingly everyday objects were made with such precision. Even today we don't use these tolerances for tableware, but in machines and tools.
I wish you could get a spot on the JRE. Graham Hancock's last episode left a sour taste in my mouth and I believe you are the person we need to bring this topic to the limelight
i suggest a round 2 debate with Graham and Ben vs Flint and whatever Marxist buddy he'll undoubtedly bring along.
He should stay as far from Rogan as possible. Rogan is not a scientist and for years thought the moon landing was fake. He uses talented people but has no qualifications at all
Plus he supports nonsense and fascists. F him.
I've been on JRE before, he did say he wanted me to come back. One of these days I'll follow up on that. Honestly it's a lot of pressure having that booked, I'm not really in this for attention, but I'll get over it and reach out at some point. We'll see.
Whoo hoo. Do it again. You did a great job on the first one.
@@UnchartedX please do it, man. this is revolutionary stuff that needs to be shared with the world over and over on a large platform.
I love listening to Christopher Dunn.
These vases look like natural formations - Flint Dibble probably
Been waiting for this brilliant deep dive you put together for a while with you & chris. an incredible back and forth ben. You are our SET in life.
Thanks young brother🇬🇧💙🇦🇺
Awesome. Love ancient civ. So much we dont know
I went and watched Friedemann Freund Ted talk about earthquakes and realized I had watched it years ago. Super interesting how everything is starting to be linked together and if Chris is right, how the ancient Egyptians utilized the Earth is no many interesting ways. Def gonna give his new book a read.
Great video Ben. Keep em comin!
Oh my god... finally! It's been months Ben! Lol. Hope you're well fella
There’s videos every day or week but you gotta pay 😢
Very interesting interview, thank you Ben.
I'm actually enrolled in a machinist course (St Philip's College, San Antonio,TX) at the moment; I 3D printed the vase and printed the reports
Great video, decent responses, and to the point, thanks Ben and Chris !
Wonder what Flint Dibble thinks to these vases??? Probably thinks he can knock them up easy whilst hungover on a sunday with some clay, whilst the greatest hits of Fleetwood Mac is playing in the background.
Vases can't get pregnant.
wonder what he thinks of the Schist disc.. oh but there is only one so it doesn't count, like the hundreds of ooparts around the world
Thank you Ben just in time for the weekend!!!!
Good to see you also bust arguments from other skeptics (your own side, so to say) like "we today couldn't do it".
I recently read a journal wrote by a Rocky Mtn. trapper. In it he tells of finding one of these granite jars, along with other interesting natural wonders. The Journal has some detail of location to be in the Wind river area.
1:02:44 I doubt there was an intact core for that big and shallow of a hole. I think it's more likely to be a bore hole from some kind of grinding auger, because that is HUGE!
Amazing that you guys got a chance to hang out. Lucky duck
Did the ancient Egyptians have 5 axis CNC's - if so they did a fantastic job on that stone with their diamond tip tools!
We have a machine at work that would be perfect to try and replicate those vases as that would be the only way to do it - a combination 5 axis mill/lathe that puts out some miraculous work.
Great video guys thankyou.
amazing work, thank you for this excellent interview and presentation
I like Dr Joseph P Farrells' hypothesis of what the Giza Pyramid complex is - very ancient high-tech weapon.
Wow! I HAD to look him up...
Utterly blown away!