I'm skipping 'till Changli then probably losing all my savings on her. I just have one question for you, is there any specific way you get your echoes? I swear I've been grinding since 2.0 came out and I've yet to get a single double crit 4-cost. Love the vid btw!
@@Thazon. i see! wise choice (im biased but she's rly fun) and thank you!! i suppose if it it helps i can tell you what i did for my carlotta set! i had used 5-6k tuners and was already 2000/2000 echos with full mail waiting to merge a bunch during 1.4 before 2.0 launch~ when 2.0 dropped i made sure not to do the story (so i could farm sentry construct very easily via restarting in the trial domain) and only picked up frosty resolve echos at first before opening a ton of boxes and merging everything! after all boxes were opened i pretty much farmed daily in my own world + a friend's c: i pretty much got echos to +10 first and carry on depending on if they rolled a useful stat or not, wasn't too strict at first
Absolute mamma mia! Sanhua is seriously our 6 star unit. She's too op! Roccia tempted me quite a bit so I did some "pity building", now that I got rid of my itchy hands I can start saving again~
so trueeee aaa, tbh the fact roccia can keep up in single-target speedrun content like this is impressive in itself though since i think that's her weakest point! nice pity building heh :') how many rolls did you end up doing?
@@KyoFantasia uww QQ fair yeah hope you get luckier soon!! c: got spooked whilst rolling for roccia with an s1 lingyang, after rolling him last banner, not sure how to feel 🏃
Very nice to see that they're basically equal! But man that Roccia rotation takes some precise swaps to pull off. Nothing harder than the crownless cancels required though.
I did not know you could quickswap roccias bounces, that's sick. They really should've made roccias personal damage better, hard to compete with the best 4 star
I pulled Roccia just because she's fun and I have enough saved for Brant, she's weird, she feels strong but harder to play. That said, I can see a future where grouping suddenly becomes important, either way, it's nice to free up Sanhua for other teams.
Got Roccia in 1 ten pull and her weapon in 2. Basically free and can save for phoebe. Also have enough for a free copy in the shop. Life is good 😎 my camellya hit a record 841k in toa.
I wonder what happens with a S0 or S1 Sanhua, I imagine it's not that big of a difference. That's what I have but my Roccia is not built yet so I can't compare. It's so much harder to get a specific 4* to S6 than getting a base copy of a 5*. Idk why Prydwen only considers the 4* at their maximum resonance.
Tbh ur rotations and comparison vids r the only ones i check now because i just know your rotations will always be more optimal than literally every other wuwa cc that isn't chinese. But also why single intro instead of double intro in sanhua rot?
its also a bit hard since it takes a long time to cook especially on new character releases - i feel awkward doing very early videos QQ but thank u!! single intro felt a lil better here for sanhua because of being able to leverage sanhua's outro buff very early (double intro warmup usually does a spin without sanhua outro first) this gives me just enough damage to be able to clear on the sk intro double intro clears were a tiny bit slower when i tested this is a very clear-time specific thing though! i still like doing double intro sanhua in most general content
What do you mean by optimal? Is it just because Yumi can clear it fast? If it's truly optimal, then that rotation could be followed by many players. Now I have a question, can you follow what Yumi does? The rotation with clear time almost the same? This game has a flexible rotation, and I'm sure there are people out there (speedrunner) who have a different rotation but still achieve a fast clear time like Yumi does
@@jesikaradit9236Optimal doesn't mean accessible. In terms of pure dps or damage breakpoint adjustments, yumi tends to have the most optimal rotations (the rotation either has the highest damage to time ratio or hits the most important dmg breakpoint to clear without overkill and hence no wasted time). although i know like 99.999% of players can't do those rotations, it feels really good to me when i practice enough to be able to do yumi's rotations. Especially the changli ones. It's not impossible, it just takes A LOT of skill and practice. If it's not for u, it's not for u. I can personally do it and the challenge is fun, so it's for me. And no I can't clear as fast as yumi bc my characters have like 50-60 less cv, but following yumi's rotations made it so that i don't need to invest that much. I can leave my characters built like garbage but the rotations are so good that I still clear the tower boss floors with 30 secs left.
I think Roccia's good for Camellya mainly cuz of her pulling capabilities, her additional buffs are just bonuses. I mean there were time limit events where you have to kill all those mobs at the same time to have get a higher score, even in ToA some monsters distance themselves or spread around the arena and Camellya's mobility isn't that great when doing her thing to reach all of them.
Yeah, I'm skipping Roccia. I think she's pretty good, but Sanhua is genuinely just too good as a 4* & it shows here. Granted, you need an S6 Sanhua + you didn't have EoG on her for a bit more self-buffing. So this is fine regardless.
Can you try again, but this time, have Roccia use the new Havoc Echo set and play with another rotation where Roccia acts as a sub-DPS? I thought it was a lot better
The problem is the new set only gives 15% havoc bonus from the set effect to Camellya. In comparison the moonlith set gives two things: The set effect 22.5% ATK and the echo 12% DMG boost. It's obvious which is better to boost Camellya and considering the short on-field times of Roccia and the damage mainly coming from Camellya anyway it's not even worth questioning which is a better choice here. If you use Roccia as sub-dps you would take away tons of times from Camellya for a character that deals less damage 😅.
@@yuminanirvalen Sanhua works very well with moonlith because she can outtro very quickly, but roccia can't. So if you use Roccia moonlith, it will be a bit unfair to her, when you make her compete in the part that is Sanhua's strong point. On the other hand, Roccia's damage is also very high, so if you use the new Havoc echo set, I thought the tower clearing time will be faster.
@baot102 Moonlith buff isn't lost and stays active, even after switching back and forth. It's actually more fun that he hasn't used in both cases the outro skill buff from moonlith at all (new set would need outro too). Lel
Still pulling on her banner but not for her. Don't mind if I lose the 50/50. I only need the blue hair gremlin to come home. 😭 I only get weapons or Yuanwu.
Did not pull her, as i don't have Camellya or a built Rover 😅 Saving for Phoebe, hopefully she's a spectro support for Jinhsi. But still love watching your videos for rotation knowledge and understanding.
I don't think Jinhsi will get a Spectro Sub-DPS(or even needs one). She would want a non-Spectro Sub-DPS that does Coordinated Attacks and Amplifies Skill DMG.
Idk if this is an idea you will be willing to implement in your content but I would like to know the pros and cons of each comp and like do you think Roccia is better at speedruns and as such of examples
I'm curious too, from what i can see I think the first 3 basics are faster and do more damage than blossom mode which means you get a ton of value ending those animations(especially b3) with the new nightmare crownless which honestly has a very high multiplier for having 3 of them and being able to swap him. They also do aton of jumping out of blossom mode cause its worth going into it just for the e damage than canceling the lag with nightmare crownless or ult. Really interesting how the new echo gives camellya a different playstyle.
roccia is future proof, meanwhile sanhua is already her max potential. you can grab her C0 now and use her, C2 later when her rerun appears,, at least thats what im doing because shes solid havoc sub dps and probably won't be replaced for a long time for havoc team.
Is it controversial for me to think Roccia is mid? A premium 5 star character is getting practically the same clear time as a f2p 4 star character in the same team composition. You would think a premium 5 star character would offer a considerable degree of better clear time. Thoughts on this?
swapping the bounces during double intro felt fun! (until she gets interrupted QQ) i actually think moonlit is better here - whilst roccia's dmg is decent, camellya still does a majority of the damage the team and really wants those extra buffs this is especially true in speedruns (my cammy will always have better echos than my roccia ;_;, and will "always" crit)
Very high skill gameplay. Personally really dislike this quickswap gameplay. Not your fault, I dont like playing the game that way. I know its less efficient, but i like to cycle every characters rotation.
i was being an idiot "building pity" when i ended up getting 2 roccias! camellya will be so happy. didn't want to push my luck, so i threw a 10 pull on jinhsis weapon and got that, too! so much blossom feeding from so few non-believers!
Sad reality, I think she is slightly better for Havoc rover cuz burst and skill dmg is quite significant while Camellya is majority normal attack but still, I think the cleartime is like 5-10 second difference at most They definitely tune Roccia wrong, in most game 5 star specific support should give the team bigger increase than signature like Citlali for Mavuika or Qingyi for Harumas. in Wuwa, 4 star S6 vs S0R0 is like 2% dmg difference? and S0R1 is like 5%? it was absurd, basically negligible. Zhezhi is a significant upgrade to Carlotta and Jinshi only because the other option is so bad
no, this is just right. do you actually want every character releasing to powercreep old units and we're still not a year into the game release? That would suck and I bet more people would complain about that
Frankly speaking I think all is well tuned, it's Sanhua that got overtuned imo. If you see dmg inc from taoqi vs zhezhi to carlotta, the difference is not that big. The big part is on the rotation bcs taoqi is just very slow. Assuming taoqi is as fast as sanhua, I would believe zhezhi isn't as worth it for carlotta.
Did you guys pull at all on the new banners? How did it go? c:
Yo! I'm skipping this time, Camel and Carlotta took all my pulls and I'm saving for Brant.
@@mcbx3d fair enough! wishing you luck on your brant pulls in the future!
I'm skipping 'till Changli then probably losing all my savings on her. I just have one question for you, is there any specific way you get your echoes? I swear I've been grinding since 2.0 came out and I've yet to get a single double crit 4-cost.
Love the vid btw!
@@Thazon. i see! wise choice (im biased but she's rly fun) and thank you!!
i suppose if it it helps i can tell you what i did for my carlotta set!
i had used 5-6k tuners and was already 2000/2000 echos with full mail waiting to merge a bunch during 1.4 before 2.0 launch~
when 2.0 dropped i made sure not to do the story (so i could farm sentry construct very easily via restarting in the trial domain) and only picked up frosty resolve echos at first before opening a ton of boxes and merging everything!
after all boxes were opened i pretty much farmed daily in my own world + a friend's c:
i pretty much got echos to +10 first and carry on depending on if they rolled a useful stat or not, wasn't too strict at first
Pulled on Jinhsi weapon to get more copies for Variation. I don't have Jinhsi, but now I have r2 of her weapon and r4 Variation.
It is not that Roccia is bad, but that Sanhua is too good!
sanhua is giving bennet energy
Absolute mamma mia! Sanhua is seriously our 6 star unit. She's too op! Roccia tempted me quite a bit so I did some "pity building", now that I got rid of my itchy hands I can start saving again~
so trueeee aaa, tbh the fact roccia can keep up in single-target speedrun content like this is impressive in itself though since i think that's her weakest point!
nice pity building heh :') how many rolls did you end up doing?
@@Yumi-Mei On day one, 20 pulls. On day two, another 20! Finished with 30 pulls leftover after getting sad. Maybe I'll get her on her rerun :c
@@KyoFantasia uww QQ fair yeah
hope you get luckier soon!! c:
got spooked whilst rolling for roccia with an s1 lingyang, after rolling him last banner, not sure how to feel 🏃
@@Yumi-Mei lost 50/50 to s3 calcharo xD welp, s6 incoming i guess
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Always perfect and clear run , love ur vid！
ty so much autumn ur always so kind
I was too bored of not pulling for too long so I just went all in, got s2r1 roccia in ~220ish pulls, so life is good
55%+ basic attack dmg bonus is the key to that camellya 340k and 360k nuke dmg DAMN!!!
looking forward to seeing more roccia showcases in the next few days!
Bro cooks everytime 🔥
Very nice to see that they're basically equal! But man that Roccia rotation takes some precise swaps to pull off. Nothing harder than the crownless cancels required though.
insane run o.O I feel like we're playing a different game whenever ur vids pop up
Clean as always, nice runs! 👀
I did not know you could quickswap roccias bounces, that's sick. They really should've made roccias personal damage better, hard to compete with the best 4 star
She’s better than sanhua lol it’s just not worth pulling for the slight increase
Roccia is only worth if your Encore and Camellya are both fighting for Sanhua
Not understnading how everyone has so much crit damage all im seeing is HP HP DEF Heavy attack
I didn't know crit rate could go over 10 until I saw in a video.
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Absolute Game Changer
I pulled Roccia just because she's fun and I have enough saved for Brant, she's weird, she feels strong but harder to play. That said, I can see a future where grouping suddenly becomes important, either way, it's nice to free up Sanhua for other teams.
Using roccia for camellya and im gonna use sanhua with brant. Her new skin is awesome
0:57 that was so cool!
Got Roccia in 1 ten pull and her weapon in 2. Basically free and can save for phoebe. Also have enough for a free copy in the shop. Life is good 😎 my camellya hit a record 841k in toa.
Utility wise roccia will be more useful for trash mobs plus sanhua might be preoccupied later on for newer dps units
I wonder what happens with a S0 or S1 Sanhua, I imagine it's not that big of a difference. That's what I have but my Roccia is not built yet so I can't compare. It's so much harder to get a specific 4* to S6 than getting a base copy of a 5*. Idk why Prydwen only considers the 4* at their maximum resonance.
Tbh ur rotations and comparison vids r the only ones i check now because i just know your rotations will always be more optimal than literally every other wuwa cc that isn't chinese.
But also why single intro instead of double intro in sanhua rot?
its also a bit hard since it takes a long time to cook especially on new character releases - i feel awkward doing very early videos QQ but thank u!!
single intro felt a lil better here for sanhua because of being able to leverage sanhua's outro buff very early (double intro warmup usually does a spin without sanhua outro first)
this gives me just enough damage to be able to clear on the sk intro
double intro clears were a tiny bit slower when i tested
this is a very clear-time specific thing though! i still like doing double intro sanhua in most general content
What do you mean by optimal? Is it just because Yumi can clear it fast?
If it's truly optimal, then that rotation could be followed by many players. Now I have a question, can you follow what Yumi does? The rotation with clear time almost the same?
This game has a flexible rotation, and I'm sure there are people out there (speedrunner) who have a different rotation but still achieve a fast clear time like Yumi does
@@jesikaradit9236 to be fair they did say "more optimal" not an "absolute optimal"
@@jesikaradit9236Optimal doesn't mean accessible. In terms of pure dps or damage breakpoint adjustments, yumi tends to have the most optimal rotations (the rotation either has the highest damage to time ratio or hits the most important dmg breakpoint to clear without overkill and hence no wasted time). although i know like 99.999% of players can't do those rotations, it feels really good to me when i practice enough to be able to do yumi's rotations. Especially the changli ones.
It's not impossible, it just takes A LOT of skill and practice. If it's not for u, it's not for u. I can personally do it and the challenge is fun, so it's for me. And no I can't clear as fast as yumi bc my characters have like 50-60 less cv, but following yumi's rotations made it so that i don't need to invest that much. I can leave my characters built like garbage but the rotations are so good that I still clear the tower boss floors with 30 secs left.
@@james-bx4wr when the endgame is endgaming, i.e. practicing rotations. feelsgood. idk what the other person is trying to ask tbh
OMG INSANEEEEEEEEEEE
I think Roccia's good for Camellya mainly cuz of her pulling capabilities, her additional buffs are just bonuses. I mean there were time limit events where you have to kill all those mobs at the same time to have get a higher score, even in ToA some monsters distance themselves or spread around the arena and Camellya's mobility isn't that great when doing her thing to reach all of them.
how did they got the exact same time LMAO
OH MY GOTTOO
This is craaaazy
Do you have some advice for Camellya Quickswaps and cancels ? i could use some tricks to streamline the rotation a little better :)
Yumi please make a Jinhsi rotation(preferably with different teams) and build and tower of adversity video. Need help urgently
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Yeah, I'm skipping Roccia. I think she's pretty good, but Sanhua is genuinely just too good as a 4* & it shows here. Granted, you need an S6 Sanhua + you didn't have EoG on her for a bit more self-buffing. So this is fine regardless.
Can you try again, but this time, have Roccia use the new Havoc Echo set and play with another rotation where Roccia acts as a sub-DPS? I thought it was a lot better
The problem is the new set only gives 15% havoc bonus from the set effect to Camellya. In comparison the moonlith set gives two things: The set effect 22.5% ATK and the echo 12% DMG boost.
It's obvious which is better to boost Camellya and considering the short on-field times of Roccia and the damage mainly coming from Camellya anyway it's not even worth questioning which is a better choice here. If you use Roccia as sub-dps you would take away tons of times from Camellya for a character that deals less damage 😅.
@@yuminanirvalen Sanhua works very well with moonlith because she can outtro very quickly, but roccia can't. So if you use Roccia moonlith, it will be a bit unfair to her, when you make her compete in the part that is Sanhua's strong point. On the other hand, Roccia's damage is also very high, so if you use the new Havoc echo set, I thought the tower clearing time will be faster.
@baot102 Moonlith buff isn't lost and stays active, even after switching back and forth.
It's actually more fun that he hasn't used in both cases the outro skill buff from moonlith at all (new set would need outro too). Lel
Still pulling on her banner but not for her. Don't mind if I lose the 50/50. I only need the blue hair gremlin to come home. 😭
I only get weapons or Yuanwu.
Did not pull her, as i don't have Camellya or a built Rover 😅
Saving for Phoebe, hopefully she's a spectro support for Jinhsi. But still love watching your videos for rotation knowledge and understanding.
that's fair! i've been trying her in a few teams outside of camellya/rover and i'm still not sure what to feel yet 🏃
and glad to hear
I don't think Jinhsi will get a Spectro Sub-DPS(or even needs one). She would want a non-Spectro Sub-DPS that does Coordinated Attacks and Amplifies Skill DMG.
Unfortunately for you, Phoebe seems to be a main dps which utilize spectro frazzle thingy. Not sure if I understand it wrong though.
@@ByonLe7 From what I have seen, she seems to be both a main dps and a subdps/support.
Phoebe is a dps lol I mean honestly u shoulda been able to tell from the new echo sets they added lol
Do you think Roccia s1r1 or s2r1 would be better than Sanhua s6 for a s3r1 Camellya?
Far better
This feels like insane damage output next to my team. What's the rotation for the 1st team?
GBVR Music Based
Idk if this is an idea you will be willing to implement in your content but I would like to know the pros and cons of each comp and like do you think Roccia is better at speedruns and as such of examples
add some mobs that scatter and lets see who is better...
Tbh it still be the same eh cz camellya red mode, ult, skill nuke is aoe so.....
How is it that with very similar stats, your Camellia is WAY stronger than mine :(
Learn to rotate
So I've been playing camellia wrong? Why don't you use her spin to win? :0
I'm curious too, from what i can see I think the first 3 basics are faster and do more damage than blossom mode which means you get a ton of value ending those animations(especially b3) with the new nightmare crownless which honestly has a very high multiplier for having 3 of them and being able to swap him. They also do aton of jumping out of blossom mode cause its worth going into it just for the e damage than canceling the lag with nightmare crownless or ult. Really interesting how the new echo gives camellya a different playstyle.
Her regular attack sequence does slightly more damage in single-target. It's not a huge difference, but it is a DPS increase.
So all an all is Roccia worth it? I have fully built S6 Sanhua and I wonder whether I need Roccia?
Long story short, no. Sanhua at s6 is better than s0 roccia
Ofc its worth it if u want a future proof havoc sub dps.
If they ever add content with a bunch of mobs like the current event she will easily be Camellya's best partner but for single target Sanhua wins.
roccia is future proof, meanwhile sanhua is already her max potential.
you can grab her C0 now and use her, C2 later when her rerun appears,, at least thats what im doing because shes solid havoc sub dps and probably won't be replaced for a long time for havoc team.
It Is but sanhua does the same at c0 now she at c2 Is better than camellya c0 xd
Is it controversial for me to think Roccia is mid? A premium 5 star character is getting practically the same clear time as a f2p 4 star character in the same team composition. You would think a premium 5 star character would offer a considerable degree of better clear time. Thoughts on this?
I think people are focusing on damage alone. San Hua cannot group or buff havoc. I'd say Roccia is more future proof due to her traction alone.
@@hijodelsoldeorientethis is fair
idk if i should still pull for roccia T.T sanhua is way too OP
Oh didn't know theres quite alot of cancels on roccia you think havoc veil roccia would increase teams overall dmg by alot ?
swapping the bounces during double intro felt fun! (until she gets interrupted QQ)
i actually think moonlit is better here - whilst roccia's dmg is decent, camellya still does a majority of the damage the team and really wants those extra buffs
this is especially true in speedruns (my cammy will always have better echos than my roccia ;_;, and will "always" crit)
is roccia good for havoc rover? i dont have havoc team build yet...
Yes.
Or you can turn her into the main DPS, just gonna have Moritifi with her cause most of her dmg comes from heavy attack (aka mama mia).,
Roccia's Lib is also heavy attack and it hits pretty hard. So main DPS Roccia is definitely possible, but ofcourse not very effective.
so, is the same xD
What a l using buffs
Very high skill gameplay. Personally really dislike this quickswap gameplay. Not your fault, I dont like playing the game that way. I know its less efficient, but i like to cycle every characters rotation.
Sanhua is faster xD, my waifu also getting new skin.
Pull for whoever character you like. There’s people soloing content with Aalto. You can do whatever tf you want in this game.
i was being an idiot "building pity" when i ended up getting 2 roccias! camellya will be so happy. didn't want to push my luck, so i threw a 10 pull on jinhsis weapon and got that, too! so much blossom feeding from so few non-believers!
Fantastic Sanhua showcase! And uhhh... whoever that other character is, probably a 4 star I haven't pulled yet
Sad reality, I think she is slightly better for Havoc rover cuz burst and skill dmg is quite significant while Camellya is majority normal attack but still, I think the cleartime is like 5-10 second difference at most
They definitely tune Roccia wrong, in most game 5 star specific support should give the team bigger increase than signature like Citlali for Mavuika or Qingyi for Harumas. in Wuwa, 4 star S6 vs S0R0 is like 2% dmg difference? and S0R1 is like 5%? it was absurd, basically negligible. Zhezhi is a significant upgrade to Carlotta and Jinshi only because the other option is so bad
chill, its good for balancing... roccia is just for sub-dps for havoc main dps, and for GROUPING MOBS purpose... sanhua can't do that.
It's just cause Sanhua is such a good Sub-DPS. Zhezhi had terrible 4*'s to compete with in comparison.
no, this is just right. do you actually want every character releasing to powercreep old units and we're still not a year into the game release? That would suck and I bet more people would complain about that
Frankly speaking I think all is well tuned, it's Sanhua that got overtuned imo. If you see dmg inc from taoqi vs zhezhi to carlotta, the difference is not that big. The big part is on the rotation bcs taoqi is just very slow. Assuming taoqi is as fast as sanhua, I would believe zhezhi isn't as worth it for carlotta.
People like you say stuff like this yet you later get mad at those same games for insane power creep.
Its not that good and i think the sanhua is better bc the rotation fastest than roccia