Me and Kubota or no longer friends for the 2nd time engine trouble with the skid steer.
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For the 2nd time have major engine trouble with the kubota skid steer and am not happy about it. Go into detail about i think kubota failed in the engineering department and caused this frailer. let me know what you guys think.
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Genius for remembering, and also Honest enough to show everyone you did.
It would have been easy to leave that little clip out. No one would have ever known. Thanks Mike
Thanks Brian
I understand your frustration. I recently bought another JD tractor. I went out of my way to research and buy one that was pre-emissions (Tier 0?) and had very low hours on it. Hard to find, but I finally found one with 200+ hours on it. No only no emissions garbage, but no computer to fail. They potentially can last a life-time.
In 2003 I used I bought a new Takeuchi TL150 track loader (again, pre-emissions) and recently was looking to find another with low hours. A low hour model is incredibly hard to find, so I will bide my time and wait. A good piece of equipment should arguably last a lifetime if you are willing and able to rebuild it when time comes. I really hate what the EPA has done to the diesel engine market. And no, I do not think it affects the environment significantly.
Stay safe!
You are absolutely right! In addition, research has shown that they probably clean away the large particles that were actually not so dangerous, but that they now emit more microscopic particles that are incredibly harmful in many ways, plus that diesel engines now emit CO2 that used to be bound in carbon as " polluted "
Ok in cities but in sparsely populated areas it fertilized nature instead of today's much more dangerous exhaust fumes...
I’m glad you kept it. We’re all human and these were your thoughts at the time. Hopfully you’ll have better luck with it in the future. It is a big deal for most people. Not everyone has your mechanic background either. That bill from a kubota dealer would have been rather large as well. Good stuff man
Commenting for my husband here...This video and your dpf cleaning video have been a real help for our company making a living with only two machines. Our 90-2 with 4500 hrs started blowing black smoke of the dpf assembly near the turbo /catalytic side. Decided to clean the dpf per your video to find the pipe entering the cat broken loose from both ends with pieces blown out around it. That cat is a $3.3k part unless my I can find a used one. But to your bracket issues, ours has cracked three time in three different places that we've welded up. I believe the vibration that cracked the bracket worked its way through to the cat causing the failure. Now to check that exhaust bolt! Thanks loads for the time you take to document and instruct.
Awesome and good luck
having worked on vehicles of all sorts for years i feel your pain and frustration. I have often said that designers and engineers need to intern in a shop for at least a year before they can even think about getting in front of cad or a drafting table!
AbsofreakinLutely!!
I’ve always said 2 years before they get their degree!
Spot on!
Just found your site a couple weeks ago..I was a mechanic and truck driver for a lot of my working life, know exactly where your coming from ..You were a lot nicer than I would have been, have not heard much good about Kubota or their dealer net work , for things that should be covered under warranty. Good luck and God Bless Mike, and tell MBTS I said hey !!!
Thanks hope you enjoy the channel
I'm often impressed by the repairs completed in small shops. Just looking at all the pipes and hoses is enough to deter many. Your rant is fine, just an honest display of how you felt.
I am a retired millwright turbine mechanic (36 years) retired for 6 years and I have certainly had my share of frustation. I feel your pain and I must say I am impressed with your self control and lack of expletetives. I agree there is some lousy engineering on this machine which is common these days with global suppliers trying to find cheap engines they can adapt to their machines. Most of the time they were designed for a completely different application. I am currently in the market for a skid steer and I love the door on the Kubotas, but videos like yours have me a bit shy of this brand. Did you do anything to help alleviate the intial problem with the manifold? GOD bless you and thanks for the video.
I think Aaron might be just the right guy to work with since he's well capable of things, lowers the temper of a heated situation and even gets you to laugh.
Great seeing all this interesting engineering stuff and the interaction between you guys is great!!
The joys of having thousands of subscribers watching over your shoulder. Glad you caught it and even better you showed us. Maybe someone else will think of that while they work on their machine. Thumbs up!!
Good thing you recorded this so you know where everything goes.
I am glad you caught the gasket you forgot. I am impressed with your mechanical skills and get it done attitude. Good job.
When you get ready to buy a new skid steer. I recommend Takauchi. They are very well engineered. God bless
Absolutely loved my Takeuchi
How many of them have you owned which model?
Kubota makes takeuchi engines
The tl12 r2 is powered by a kubota 3.8 liter diesel engine
You are a genius and a VERY Patient person.. Pretty sure I would have been saying a few cuss words. I am impressed that you stayed even later than midnight to back track and fix the forgotten.. It would have been sooo easy to say.. I'll get it in the morning.. (Thats how I roll) lol.. Good job, I enjoy all of your videos, very level headed and hard worker.
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I was the service manager at a Kubota and Bobcat Dealer. Kubota engines were always top of the line, with a lot of other equipment manufacturers using them. Seems like emission add ons are their downfall as with all engines. But the rest of the Kubota and Bobcat machines do not have the reliability or longevity that some other machines have. My opinion is that Kubota and Bobcat are both more suited for non commercial use. When our salesmen did manage to sell a Kubota or Bobcat to a commercial user or a municipality, they seemed to have the most failures. I owned a Kubota compact tractor and a Bobcat skid steer. I had good luck with both, but I am not a commercial user.
Finding that uninstalled gasket, after a very long a stressful day, I give you credit for not doing harm your yourself. Really enjoy your videos, especially your shop work.
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Its all good! Everyone has to rant every once in a while! Love your videos!
We had a Kubota B6000 4x4 mini tractor which pulled a chunk out the Alloy Diff case where the bottom link arm pinned on !!! - we were grading with a rear grader blade which snagged on a Girder stump buried in the concrete floor !!- i finished up re-engineering the link arms to Category 2 pins and beefing up the mounting to more points! guess anything breaks with enough force though !!
The engineers behind a lot of this stuff are under the gun for compact, lighter, smaller etc so everything gets more and more cramped inside the bay. The days of popping a hood on my 90 gt and thinking "hey I can fit inside there with the 5.0 are over.
Look at exotics and German cars its insane how they try to stuff everything inside every nook. It makes me not want to work on anything.
They're also under the gun to design stuff that's faster to assemble in the factory. The bean counters don't care what happens to it once its off the line.
Thankyou for posting this. I was seriously considering a SVL95 just had a good chat on the phone with the dealer but I'm out now. What a bastard to work on!
This looks like it was scabbed on to meet US emission regulations.
You have always achieved a great job with commentary and analysis. I appreciate your perspective. Keep the videos coming.
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Hi and great video, I am a retired Automotive Technician and it was great watching you work and explain everything as you repair the Kabota! 👍😊 I vote Genius!!🤣
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You’re a better man than me. I would have returned that intake gasket while I was at the dealer trading in the machine for something else
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a real man is humble enough to admit his mistakes, and big enough to allow others grace and space to make their own mistakes... you're a good man, I don't care what Wade and Jason say!
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Mike I give you a lot of credit, you were so patient with that machine, you have a right to rant and complain, I probably would have been worse than you were, I think I would have fixed it, pressure cleaned it, and sold it and bought a cat skid steer, things like that grind my gears to, that equipment isn’t cheap and one can’t afford down time, your good you don’t need to apologize, keep that dirt a movin, Mike
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That is a horrendous mess of bracketry I'd have to agree. Looks like everything it carries was an afterthought.
Wow excellent video. You are too humble! Your rant was totally called for and your intelligence and knowledge is much appreciated and noted! Too bad the Kubotas and Bobcats etc., of the world didn't have more guys like you consulting with their engineers!
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Alot of parts, good skills, thanks for sharing
Mike you may rant now and again but you have the patience of an angel compered to me, I would have thrown all the toys out of the cot before I even before I got too those ugly brackets well done.
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I watched this video and held my tongue because I was a skid steer mechanic and I feel your pain.
I have worked for komatsu, Case ,IH , Cat and Kubota. First of all thats very same engine is in half the S180 and T180 Bobcats that you all are saying are great and he should switch too. The difference is the engine is mounted sideways so the emissions crap (which I don’t think is really doing anything in this size of machine and is just mucking you the engine ) is located in a different spot and was added on later to meet compliance standards for the industry. So it was made up and added by a different set of engineers than designed the engine and original skidsteer. I often wonder if the manufacturers don’t hire college interns to design these things because the real ones refuse to add the crap to their designs. (This isn’t a dog on Kubota they all seem to have this problem) (however I do believe most of them are a little quicker worth the permeant redesign and upgrade to get out of the hole they dug) I don’t know how you feel (well
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Some videos and seeing the Volvo have issues related to this problem as well I think we know what needs to be done and why the manufacturers are not coming out with the “approved fix” they think the real fix is the delete and don’t want the liability of saying that.
Problem I have with that is if that’s the plan they wish to push then they need to support that path and provide the parts to do it or at least the technical assistance for it. I am not saying they should provide them free (unless it’s drawing of what to build as a mount to remove and plug the ports) but as an option that’s at least a reasonable to purchase and preform by the average person. The legal issue is a dealer will not be able to do this but they should be able to provide the support for it legally.
For instance this one single problem should have had a Kubota issued update to properly secure the flange and extend the mount to another location(s) until the weight was distributed properly. When I worked for Komatsu the dealership I worked for had a large number of stores and a training person who would keep us on top of these and usually third or fourth failure of same product we were already on an approved path by Komatsu by a repair or drawing for the new braces or brackets. Case dealer was somewhat the same but we were the store that was where these things was sorted out and a some point the dealer stopped wanting to be CNH testing and engineering dept. you can’t blame them there.
They worked differently from the other dealership while the Komatsu dealer went out of their way to include the manufacturer of what ever the line was we were working wether it was Ingersoll Rand or any other brand they sold they pushed and got answers and then shared it with the manufacturers. The case dealer was solely depending on how much CNH was cooperative with the fix. IE when the first Case tracked skid steer (400 series ) came out we couldn’t keep the undercarriage under them. We figured out a fix (basically more grease footings and seals and turning a shaft around ) about the 6th machine that went down and instituted it on every machine we had sold (on the dealers dime because case wasn’t helping and their answer was continue to warranty items until it was out of warranty or they fixed it) before they all failed and the customers all traded them off on other brands (we even went and got one machine off another dealer and repaired it) after about three months case wanted to know why we had stopped filing claims on the items. Because they were little to no help and had left us out to dry the owner of the dealership said they could figure it out on their own. They had to go to the competing dealer buy that machine off their lot and take it back to KS and tear it apart to reverse engineer it and even then they didn’t get it right even with the parts in front of them the engineers either thought we had over done the modifications or didn’t understand why we had added the extra two more grease fittings and to the two new seals and drill the grease supply hole large enough it didn’t clog the first time it got mud in it the pin. It took them one more year to stop it where we lost one seal total in that time and it was under water for a week in a mud pit. I know some of you would be mad if it was your machine that was stuck and someone had the fix and wasn’t sharing but sometimes you have to make the manufacturers suffer some before they are willing to set down and listen and stop playing warranty games.
Sorry for the long post but like in this condition many of the manufactures will either completely avoid the fix fearing being sued over it or so over engineer it that its not a reasonable repair.
Like in in this video proper order of torque and prob a new brace(s) would have been the dealer fix (In our world that would e some light angle iron and and some 1/8 strap or two with a bend or two to strengthen it. The manufactures world that would be a titanium fixture with at least two rubber bushings (which will require replacement at least in the 200hour range) and be like 600 dollars or more. Titanium would be more so maybe they would do magnesium because putting that in a skidsteer seems like such a good idea
Your rant was perfectly fine. The fact you did that without sentence enhancers on camera is amazing. As a CNC machinist I totally understand the engineer part. Haven't found one with a brain yet. The answer we get is "it looked good on the computer so it can be done".
Good job man.
I'm only 6 minutes and and this is great. Jaded mechanics unite!
Lol thanks buddy
I think you're a good mechanic for checking twice!
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Bit tardy with this comment but feel it’s important enough to state, that making a mistake isn’t the important issue, it’s what you do after that mistake that really matters; you sir, did the right thing and rectified it. Also, men that don’t make mistakes, don’t make anything! Just recently subscribed to your channel Michael, really enjoy what you post👍🏻😊.
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Bonus footage shows owner being methodical. Great job.
Sorry to say but I did see that you didn't put the gasket in and I was screaming at you to don't forget the gasket but you couldn't hear my here in Arkansas . You did man-up and admit your mistake and kudo's to you for keeping that in your video . I've been a mechanic for 50 years and everyone forgets more times than they will admit . I really like your video's and follow you in your many adventures .
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Genius for remembering! Lots of work to do that repair. Hate to think what a repair shop would charge to do it. :-)
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At least you know you answered your own question. When the local dealership stocks a part like that intake it tells the story . As a class 8 truck mechanic for 30 years you are exactly right. It’s a reoccurring problem when a dealership keeps an intake manifold around. They very seldom keep $550.00 parts gathering dust. Regardless of it all it’s still America for a while yet so your entitled to your opinion. 🇺🇸
i think its great that you are able to work on MANY pieces of equipment. Not everyone can do that...
You don’t have to explain yourself to no one👌🏽❤️we have a kubota zero turn mower and it’s always giving us issue, they really do suck, thanks for another great video, I like seeing that you guys keep your work space clean through the project😅👌🏽
I was thinking about buying a Kabota Svl95 . Thanks for the information I’ll be buying a different brand now.
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I knew you would get it fix my friend you don’t give up you cannot blame yourself for being mad just keep the good work Up and do not give up my friend like I say it can only get better tomorrow be safe in this Crazy world
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From a production standpoint cost is king. From an owner who maintains my equiptment I absolutly agree with you. Engineers should be QC'ed by a mechanic.
Agree
You are perfectly justified in your right to rant against such a terrible design. As a punishment in the hereafter, the design engineers should have to constantly work on their designs. They will eternally know the frustration they created.
The biggest problem with these days are manufacturers are cramming to much stuff into small spaces everything is now compact and it frustrating to work on!!
Love how you keep it real.
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You are a better man than me because I would have said a few profane syllables even though I was recording. But at least you got it back together now you can go to work
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A good mechanic finds, and you found it 🖐️
Happy Independence Day 🎉
Awesome video, don't be afraid to tell us your opinion on the items, it helps us understand better.
Quite impressed,
The attitude well we can Lear from you how to deal with frustration, best thing is I didn’t hear any bad words and that is already a great way to deal with problems
We have few equipment wish tow of them break on us with less the 20 hr of use, yes warranty pay for but is not fun
Congratulations and we can Lear from you
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I’m in the same position, I have the Kubota insurance and was on my open station smaller tractor bush hogging by the river on a part of my farm and the bank collapsed in went the tractor has been at the dealership for 3 years!!! Just picked it up last week and went hook up the bush hog where we put our trailer for dear season, the tractor is smoking like a crazy, I so damn mad I could just drive it thew there shop doors!! I feel for you!!
I don't blame you about your frustration. I have always thought design engineers should be required to service and replace every part on a engine. This would elevate most of this sloppy engineering.
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Make a metal bracket from the cornerbolt to the other lower one, so reinforce it..... its gonna brake again..........
Couldn't agree more on having young "designers" intern on the shop floor or in the assembly area before cutting them loose...no different in the aerospace biz....just because it "looked good" on the CAD doesn't mean it's gonna fit or be possible to assemble/replace. Great video.
It all comes down to cost. These machines were designed before the EPA mandated further strangling restrictions. CAD allows companies to design practical solutions in meeting the new standards. All companies are faced with these types of dilemas. Unfortunately this Rube Goldberg affair of a bracket passed through engineering and was destined to cause buyers havoc down line. Kubota hopefully came up with a better solution on the SVL95-2.
I was yelling from Michigan when you turned it over. LOL. It must be the name Mike. I had a guy tell me too calm down its almost quitting time. It was 8 oclock in the morning.
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You have no reason to be sorry for what y ou have said. We all get upset when we have to work on equipment and find factory stupid. You have found plenty of it. kubota if any one from there is watching should be digging a hole to hide in. I have a twenty year old Nissan pickup that I love. When I have to work on it I call it everything but a truck. The main thing is all the crap the government has them put on it so you can't get to anything. Keep up the great work you do and great videos.
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at 3:00 or so you've filmed yourself dumping the a/c out, there's some ridiculous fines for doing that, and rewards for turning people in over itI'd edit that out of the video but that's just paranoid old me
yep...I'm in the A/C business and have been for 40 years. Fines up to 40,000 and 1200.00 reward for turning someone in is not unheard of. But rare as hens teeth as its hard to prove. Almost have to be caught by the licensing dept outright. I'd edit that out
Looks like a real pain. Have never been around Kubota's much, I've watched Warren ,Western Truck and Tractor channel. After watching him work on Kubota products don't think I'd be interested in ownership.
nice catch on the gasket
Glacier freeze? Good choice. Good video, I can understand the frustration.
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It’s ok Mike we all have had bad days before . That’s where they make their money is in parts so they don’t want to make it easier for the mechanic who works on it . Just take a deep breath and move on. Love the video
You're not an idiot...Things happen especially working on stuff that is aggravating...Good thing is you caught it probably because it was laying on the bench no harm done
When you have people designing equipment that have never gotten their hands dirty this is the type of design you get, their concerns aren’t with making equipment easy to fix or maintain it’s all about getting everything these machines need in a small area. Making things extremely hard to work on keeps their mechanics busy, it’s all about the money. The second they bring someone like you into the designing process that will ensure easy maintenance will end up in the end costing them millions in free money fixing their product, it’s a game that hurts us but keeps them in business.
I agree
I wonder how hard it would be to pull the entire engine/pump out? Not sure if it's built that way but it could make thing a bunch easier to get to.
Don’t think it would be any faster
Totally understand you forgetting that gasket, Mike! You looked shattered, bet that was a long hard day putting that all back together. A big well done for remembering it. I don't blame you for having your little rant at the start, anyone would under the circumstances, but, at least you were big enough to own up to everything. You have grown in my estimation. Hope that Kubota behaves itself now for you. Maybe keep Captain Kleeman away from it, just in case-lol
That’s sucks buddy glad you got it fixed up it will be good to go now for thousands of hours more 👍🏻
Lol thanks buddy I hope so
I say your a genius because you take pride in your labor and equipment and do the tedious things like route and secure the wires and hoses correctly. I've gone in after dealership repairs to discover it looks like Jim Bob's microwave, TV, and auto repair did the job so that's why I do it myself.
Thanks Jasons and I have been there also so averaging
I'm amazed that intake chunks being sucked in to the engine didn't cause internal damage.
Most likely blow away from the intake under boost pressure.
It's not just Kubota. Try working on any new vehicle. You have to take multiple parts off before you can get to what you need to repair. It's all about getting the most parts into the smallest space possible.
Incredible, same thing just happeng in my K svl 90-2 same place
Bummer
awesome mechanic skills! Don't blame you about the rant on Kubota tech. some of those bracket designs are stupid and I would think as much as those machines cost, they would of design it better.
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Hi. I once owned a little kubota tractor and i hear you on the engineering side of kubota machinery i had a lot of stupid breakdowns to the way they were built. And yes when it comes to parts it always makes you wonder why they have never seen that break be for. Just deserve rant i thought.Good luck with it all
Awesome Job!!
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The biggest downfall with Kabota is their engines are not specifically designed to one piece of equipment that engine is in multiple pieces of equipment and they make them fit in every application differently
You have way more patience than me!!!
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The way I look at it mike that happens to the best of us buddy great video
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man you sure know your stuff, i would have been lost in da sauce,,,lol. great video.
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Just wondering your opinion on some of the newer kubota mini excavators more specifically the kx057 minis, we have owend a 1997 kubota kx101 with almost 4,000 hours on it any we haven’t had anything major go wrong yet just a couple hoses over the years and tracks,rollers we bought it when I was 11 and I’m now 33 years old.
Nice machine very expensive to fix if something happens to them
Happens to the best of us! Nice catch!
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I would say if u want a new skid steer look at the asv.
$519 dollars! Count yourself lucky sir. If that had been a Cat or a Deere it probably would have been $5,190 dollars LOL!
True
Cool video, nicely done. I heard the svl90 is a far superior machine than the svl95. If you were to buy a different machine what would you get? I do tree work and was thinking a Takeuchi tl8 or tl10
Takeuchi or new Holland
Call Chris Guin and see what he thinks of their Takeuchi skid steer. They use the crap out of it!
Absolutely love my Takeuchi
ya your right it does suck the way most make mounting points are the clowns that draw these never worked on them. how many hours from start to finish. and any one can miss a gasket lol. good luck with it
I sure feel your pain and frustration Mike ! I blame allot of this on engine vibration but it looked pretty smooth at 41:30 . Is it smooth all through the RPM curve from say 650 to 2500 ?
We have a JD 8875 skid loader " Yanmar 3 cylinder " engine . Been a great machine but at idle
" 650 RPM " the engine shakes pretty bad . Bump it up to 1,100 rpm and smooth as silk to 2,500 . So I never throttle down below 1,100 as the vibration is hard on everything , bolts come loose , hydro hoses rub more , and more hydro leaks . It's like they didn't get the engine balance correct at low idle . Keep up the good work !
I can't believe all the extra emissions crap on that engine. It makes it nearly impossible for a small contractor to survive.
Agree
That was a great educational video. Congrats. They can sure put 10 lbs of crap in a 5 lb box
you know as we grow older thats the golden years
Bad part is there's kubota engine's in a lot of different machines.
Aluminum is a great choice of material for an intake manifold, it's a horrible choice for a structural part on something that vibrates as bad as a 4 cylinder engine.
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That is why japaness they have a system called a kaisen. Which it mean a continuous improvement...toyota used it and every one around the world is using it now...there is always a better way of doing and designing machine.
Work in progress...
You should send a pictures to kubota Corporation so they dig deeper into it.
Good luck with your kubota.
I hate to say it, but i'd be worried about the debris or dirt ingested through that hole. You have no idea how long that was cracked before you found it as hole. Just a bad gasket seal can do damage.
Good catch at the end though, we've all done it, I know some would pretend they never seen it. Hope it works good for you.
It’s turbocharged
@@DirtPerfect Yeah, I know. It takes a little while for boost to build up though. Anyways ,hope not
Service and repair manuals are invaluable. Buy them for every piece of equipment that you own. With all the crap you had to take off for a repair that should have never had to be made, You are not an idiot.
I do have them
It is a shame that kubota seem to have so many small issues across equipment. Capable machinery, mechanically reliable but small misses. Have a bigger tractor as does a neighbor and they have the same little problems, down to cracks...
Gotta give you the Genius category on that one, with a weak moment. Could not possibly imagine the cost of a Kubota dealer doing that work, which would not of had the attention to detail and care that you put into it.
Job well done 👏
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Cat 299 D2
Time to drop the Kubota
I know you will come with an amazing fix
Our saying around our farm. If it is moving it's breaking, if it isn't moving we're not making any money. Bottom line with equipment you got to take the good with the bad!