Attack on Titan's Most "Pathetic" Moment Explained
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- SeaTactics checks out Attack on Titan's Most "Pathetic" Moment in the Final Episode and explains what is happening in it. In this video we go over why Eren Yaeger told Armin why he activated the Rumbling, the truth behind Ymir Fritz and his involvement in his mother's death. Comment below, what did you think about the "Most Pathetic" Moment in Attack on Titan's Final Episode? Drop a like if you enjoy my Attack on Titan content. Subscribe to never miss an Attack on Titan video. Thanks for watching, buh-bye!
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I think the better term for describing Erens character is "consistent" rather than static. Eren does have major character growth/development during the show being that before he was a winy vengeful kid who saw things in black and white to a srasoned but depressed soldier who understands the complexity of war. Hes consistent but that doesnt mean he doesn't grow.
Absolutely this! SeaTactics is often spot on but this one sentence was wrong (Saying Eren's character didn't grow). Consistent is a much better way to put it.
yes, just bcs he has same goal and principle doesn't mean he doesn't grow or didn't have character development
yes. his goals and ideals stay the same. his circumstances and maturity develops with the story.
...until 139
He has the same personality and world view. That makes him a static character.
@@camcam794 ehh i would disagree with that. his core ideals stay the same but his personality does change.
he starts off with a very simple worldview and impulsive mind. as he learns about truths of the outside world, his views are challenged. this causes him to undergo one of the most radical personality changes in fiction. the amazing thing about this is that his ideals did not change, just the circumstances. he is now precise and calculated. he learned to be proactive and not reactive (with levi squad and female titan thing). he directly moves towards his goals, although the process may pain him.
on the other hand MIKASA DOES NOT CHANGE. starts with "ereh...", hints at letting go of eren, doesnt pay it off, and ends with "erehh..."
I experienced more cognitive discordance when he suddenly changed from a crybaby to a hardened war criminal, seemingly even spurning the friends he sought to protect. The return to being pathetic feels like when a song returns from off key chords: relief, release, and closure.
When we first see Eren post-timeskip, he looks nothing like the Eren we knew before that. In fact, manga readers could be excused for not realising that 'Kruger' is actually Eren. The anime gives it away because of the voice.
An example of a song like that is Eminem - Stan. The verse where Stan murder-suicides himself and his pregnant girlfriend is when the song goes 'off'. The chords aren't off-key, but it's the part of the song meant to drive you over the edge, both figuratively and literally. The next verse, where Marshall finally answers Stan's letters, is where the song calms down, brings you back to reality and deals with the aftermath of what Stan did.
Everyone forgets that Eren is a whiny brat sometimes just because he’s been a menace for the past season he’s a emotional guy
He also did the same things in s3 part 2 people hate this because he did this for mikasa even though he said her move on
@@shantanutoraskar428Yeah, told her to move on, because he is gonna die, but of cource he wants to be with her, lol
@@user-df8lp9zq8sHey, that's love for you.
We've all had that one love we couldn't let go even if we knew it was the right thing to do. Someone you liked so much but unfortunately realized it wasn't meant to be.
It is true that Eren can be a whiny brat sometimes. He is a passionate and emotional person, and he often lets his emotions get the better of him. This is one of the things that makes him such a relatable character. He is not perfect, but he is human.
It is important to remember that Eren has been through a lot in his life. He has seen his mother die, his friends get hurt, and his world torn apart. It is understandable that he would be emotional sometimes.
In the final season, Eren has been under a lot of pressure. He is trying to save his people, but he is also making difficult choices that have devastating consequences. This stress has taken a toll on him, and it is not surprising that he has become more whiny and bratty.
However, it is also important to remember that Eren is still a good person. He cares deeply about his friends and family, and he is willing to sacrifice everything for them. He is a complex and nuanced character, and we should not judge him too harshly for his flaws.
I think it is important to be able to appreciate characters who are flawed and complex. Eren is a great example of such a character. He is a character who is both loved and hated, but he is always interesting and thought-provoking.
100% facts@@SOLDAT_MENDES
It’s insane to me how many people think this was out of character
They coping & wanna be edgy with a badass eren not a realistically written eren
It wasn't out character. Just not alining with a headcanon.
100% agree! Another moment of Eren being pathetic was when he was crying and demanding that Historia eat him. This was b4 the kissing of Historia's hand.
The scene completely diminished any potential growth or change that eren had as a character. At the end Isayama just went, "eren has always been a bitch just like season one, he's just following the path laid out for him!" No development or change in world view is boring.
It’s unfortunate you addicted to edgy over the top anime tropes & haven’t grown out of it you need some change otherwise you’ll stay a boring person if that’s really your issue with an extremely well written & thought out work…most well written stories even outside of anime arnt for simplistic readers/viewers hence why you can’t actually appreciate or experience actual art. @@shidder3606
It really is crazy how people hate on Eren for simply having human emotions then again these are the same people who probably didnt start liking him until the final season smh
to be fair I didn't like him before the 4th season and I still think these emotions while pathetic are normal and in line with his character
yeah lol, it is unfortunate that some people hate Eren for having human emotions. It is important to remember that Eren is a complex character with a wide range of emotions. He is not perfect, but he is relatable and sympathetic.
It is also true that some people may have started liking Eren more in the final season because he became more complex and nuanced. In the final season, Eren is forced to make difficult choices that have devastating consequences. This shows that he is not a one-dimensional character, but rather a complex human being with a wide range of emotions.
It is important to be able to appreciate characters who are complex and flawed. Eren is a great example of such a character. He is a character who is both loved and hated, but he is always interesting and thought-provoking.
I hope that more people will come to appreciate Eren for the complex and nuanced character that he is. He is a character who is worthy of our empathy and understanding.
Because it was pathetic compared to Eren's apology to Ramzi or Eren's wanting Historia to eat him in season 3.
@@CasperFiles1969 he also supressed his true feelings for a long time, and wheather something is more or ress pathetic doesn't matter, so long as it's human and in line with his character
@@SOLDAT_MENDES I started liking Eren because he was badass and cool and inspired me to grow my hair out ect, but that fact that I liked him because he was badass also meant I was more intersted in Aot and watched more videos also meant I started to understand the complexity of him. when I read the panel in the manga I chuckeled because that's how pathetic it is but as I watched more videos about the ending I started to understand why he acted this way, and the fact that he's more than just a badass gigachad while also being entertaining as hell when he acts like one makes rewatching the show really intersting and fun. definetly gonna do that sometime
People hated the ending and S4 cause they watch anime trying to escape from reality, turns out the show make them think about the reality even harder.
True :(
Eren did what he wanted, he was a "slave to freedom", since childhood he wanted to see the outside free world which he saw in the book. After knowing that the outside world hates their kind, he had no choice other than rumbling, as foreshadowed in ocean scene. His personal desire of freedom was the main driving force but he also planned to save his friends and achieved all his goals to a perfect end.
His goals-
1. Witnessing outside free world.
2. Lifting off ymir's curse
3. Saving his friends giving them the real freedom and long live
4. Crushing the people who hated them
5. Wiping out every titan
6. Living remaining life with mikasa(atleast in paths).
Isayama created the most selfish and most selfless character simultaneously. 🙌
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Close, but the main reason he did the rumbling was because the outside people simply EXISTED, it wasn't about them hating his kind, he felt as if them existing, getting to live his dream was them stealing it. People forget that Eren is the type of person who ALWAYS resulted to violence. He used his friends and the island as a coping mechanism to hide his real goal.
@@evanbell7825That's not the reason he started the rumbling, in the anime it's mentioned and shown that 1) all the other nations agreed to be against Paradis with Tylbur's speech (they're the enemies to all the world) and 2) almost all other nations have a superior technology vs Paradis, meaning they can easily wipe them out. Without the rumbling, Paradis could had been an easy target to eliminate along all the Eldians = his friends.
don't understand what's pathetic about this moment. Why can't he cry for the girl who loved him more than anything in the world. She is one of the two most important people in the world to him. She is very important to him, in a sense, in the second season he even swore to her that he would always be by her side, always gonna be with her. He always dreamed of protecting her, even though it always turned out the other way around, and this made him angry sometimes, Yes, he is not the most romantic guy and is obsessed with fights and freedom. BUT IT IS SO OBVIOUS that if everything ended , and a peaceful life would begin, and Eren would be there. These two would get married and live happily ever after, well, it's just a fact, it couldn't be any other way. WHY CAN'T HE CRY THAT HE CAN'T EXPERIENCE IT WHEN HE REALIZES HE'S GOING TO DIE?
He fumbled probably the easiest bag ever and then cried like a bitch for not getting laid
@@LuisSierra42 he then says that he wants her to be happy. Just doesn't want to die, and wants to be with her. This reduces these words to zero, lol
@@user-df8lp9zq8s Eren is still a wawa baby. Its utterly pathetic for his character.
Something I did notice about this scene is Armin actually felt so bad for doubting of his best friend, when he did not expected Eren’s reaction he understood that he doubted of his brother, the one who was about to give his life to save him and once realizing that Eren was still Eren he decided to follow him to Hell. Heartbreaking 💔
No he literly saw him as he Was
The selfish Brat that wants to kill everything. He is childish and never grow up
I’m so glad to see this video because I haven’t seen anyone touch on this part yet and I’m hoping we share the same sentiment!
The moment that Eren and Armin were talking I got carried away and for a moment forgot what was actually happening and seeing Eren act so his age for once and just that typical boyish attitude we don’t get in this anime just completely softened me. Then when Armin had a moment of hope saying they could stop and change things I also felt it! And so when the water turned to blood and there was that moment of realization of what Eren actually did and the stoicism in his voice as he says what happens/happened I felt the same horror Armin did and it was probably the most visceral and heart wrenching moment for me the whole show.
"I'll be waiting for you in hell"
"Yeah. We'll be together forever"
I'm still broken from that scene😢
Love them two sm❤
@@dominiczenone7604
It's not real my man
@@dominiczenone7604I love Eren, yeah. If your takeaway from the story is that Eren is just an evil genocider, that’s your problem.
Nothing can justify or excuse the rumbling. But there are reasons and events that led to it that can’t just be tossed away. One for example being that one way or another, people were going to be genocided. Obviously that doesn’t make it right in any way, but we have to understand the reasoning behind these choices. Eldians were already in the process of being genocided. Now take a kid who’s been born into his own hell, mentally and physically torment him for years, and then give him godlike powers.
What else could happen?
Eren is the villain, but make no mistake, the world turned Eren into that villain.
I’m just not sure how people could NOT see that that breakdown was him finally being able to let out those emotions he had been holding in that whole time.
Well thats what the point of the Rumbling was lmao, until the end of course
When he was being "pathetic" was the most human he was in years
Also, people seem to also forget that he’s only 19.
He’s realistically still just a kid at this point.
Right. I'm 18. I ain't mentally capable of handling not only the attack Titan powers but also the founding titans.
Anyone would go insane. Eren did what he could
Eren is not some modern day Gen Zer. He comes from a time when you enlist as a soldier to age 15; which in many parts of the real world considered an adult. Eren is a grown man who was well aware of what he was doing.😊
@@shawnellesmith What bullshit
@@GameTimeNLL What part of what I said was bullshit?
@@shawnellesmitheverything bruh
This was one of my favorite moments. It shows Eren’s humanity is still in there and there was a part of him still thinking about himself and the life he would have wanted but couldn’t have because of circumstances he’s in
Absolutely agree that this scene was magnificent and explained all my core questions about the show. I think you nailed all the key details as to why that scene was so satisfying for the people that understood it. Great video!
idk if its a good thing or not but i felt like i could relate to him since i was in a relationship for 7 years. it felt realistic if anything, for him to speak out his true thoughts 😿
The internet is full of people who just wanna be edgelords all the time 😂. It’s why Batman and joker are popular. This was in character for eren and made sense considering everything that took place in the story.
I remember watching season 1-3 and getting the feeling of how I can see eren and the others figuring out where the titans truly came from, and stopping it. Like traditional anime fashion. I remember thinking “yeah eren definitely has this I see him growing and getting more mature they will figure it out.” Only for the ending to show me eren murdering everyone and I don’t really know how to feel.
I’m with you there, many fans are downplaying the horror Eren inflicted on innocent people. Even if you understand where it came from (wiping out the Marley military in Liberio was totally justified for example).
But it was in character . Eren was always about" protecting friends" , " getting freedom" , and he was always kinda crazy , it was foreshadowed. So.... This three things about him just combined and thats what we get in the ending .
Some people don't fundamentally change as people
Some people are slaves to their wants and wishes
Eren is one of those people, and the story shows that, it's far from an accident
@@decafjava8565 I think the ones liking the ending understand what drove him, but also know he commited an inexcusable act on inimaginable scale.
@@DundGYep. This is a cautionary tale. If we humans don’t change our ways, then eventually we will be “rumbled” and it won’t only be the fault of the person causing the rumbling. Because that person will have been molded into a monster due to the cruel reality of our world.
When you only watch the final two seasons is this moment "out of character", if you watched the ENTIRE SERIES -- ERIN CRIED ALMOST ALL THE TIME
eren cried when his friends were dying. he cried when he was facing the cruelty of the world. he cried when he felt utterly powerless. he cried when he got betrayed. he cried when his mother got eaten.
in the ending he is crying because your obsessed yandere childhood friend might find another man???
the entire series eren doesnt reciprocate ANY of mikasa's (crazy) love. it feels like mikasa is nothing but a nuisance to eren. they dont share one meaningful conversation.
@@blubblubblup Looks like you also missed the entire timeline where Eren and Mikasa lived together when they ran away from the war. Eren lived out his life with Mikasa and they shared that moment in time together for years for the rest of Erens life. In the end, you can see Mikasa smiling at the fact they had that ENTIRE LIFE before she beheads Eren.
@@kraugaming7557 that was a paths experience
u can tell by the founding titan marks that appear on erens face as the memory ends
but also how did that happen? who did that? how did mikasa go into this entire paths alternate timeline?
@@blubblubblup Mikasa got there the same way Eren walked Zeke all the years across his childhood. With the power of the founding titan you can simulate scenarios or revive memories as if they were real and take any Eldian into it, take how king Fritz in paradis brainwashed everyone in the island 100 years prior to the story. By the end after Eren tells Ymir that she can choose for herself, she sides with him bc he's the first one to ever give her a choice and not simply demand something of her, so she gives Eren the ability to control the paths even without having royal blood.
@@kraugaming7557yeah, good to know that eren doesn't really care about his friends and abandoned them to die because he got a girlfriend, what a great scene
I think that if someone other than Eren got the Founder, there would have been a future other than the Rumbling. As he said, he was a garden variety idiot who got his hands on unimaginable power and his only solution to his problems even before getting the Founder was "burn it down".
I'm not 100% sure how it would work, or what the lore/worldbuilding ramifications would be (and maybe I'm just being optimistic), but I think that someone like Hange or Armin, who see the beauty and wonder of the world in spite of how fucked up it is, could have found a better solution to the Curse of Ymir and the plight of the Eldian people that didn't involve genocide.
A question that was kind of avoided, but probably for the best was "how long exactly did Eren spend trying to find other solutions"? A couple weeks, months, years, decades (I'm saying this in reference to The Path being considered a time chamber not congruent with reality)? The real answer to that could be he thought for as long as his mind could handle, since Eren does explicitly his mind "is a mess". So simply maybe he just didn't have the IQ or the mental fortitude to come up with a better solution, but he felt compelled to do something.
My reaction to this scene was like: "Well there you are real Eren from the firsts seasons"
It still sucks that Isayama retconned Ackerman headaches. If Mikasa got headaches due to Ykir sifting through her memories, why did Levi get headaches?
what headaches did levi have ? episodes please
Ymir is the villain. Tragic villain, who was a victim to another villain. But a villain nonetheless
Couldn’t deny this. Ymir could have ended everything if she didn’t let herself be enslaved by Fritz. Sadly her mentality was to rely on others’ praise or being relied on. I know the feeling. It feels great that someone is relying on you but it becomes exhausting also when they rely too much on you without any return. The last straw for her was Fritz not caring about her condition.
just like eren she was a mentally unstable idiot who came into power. all make sense. at least eren was aware of his friend's mutual love for him unlike ymir that was never loved by the king.
Oh heck no that's what we not gonna do ymir isn't no villian
Eren has always been a brash emotional little turd. All of it makes total sense. The soul crushing weight of the decision he makes break him down more once he sees it, but its not out of character at all.
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I would like a video about how or why Erin didn't have a choice? How was his fate sealed? How the attack and founder affect each other. Even after listening to what was said in this video I still don't understand. Seems like he had alternate choices, especially with that cabin scene.
And in many instances it seemed like he wanted to stop the rumbling more than go through with it
he may be able to live with the. cabin with Mikasa but about Armin and Jean and Connie. They will die faster since Eldia will be destroyed. His main purpose is not to save the world or eternal peace because such thing is impossible, conflict always exist. Thats why he choose what he care the most, his friends.
In all other paths that he tried, Eldia gets stomped to the ground by Marley alliance as Willy Tybur will declare war against Eldia.
Meaning there is no other choice for Eren, to be killed or to kill to save his friends
He did have other choices, but no other choices led to the conclusion of his friends being safe and the island being saved from war they wouldnt be able to survive from. Thus the choices that Eren makes are sealed, because he doesnt want any other outcome to occur.
Honestly, I don't really know if there's a clear answer as to how Founding & Attack are related. From what we know Attack are special among 9 titans. While others can access their predecessor memories, Attack can send thoughts/memories to each other. In summary, they can create a loop among themselves. Attack titan are always fighting for Eldian freedom so I guess they have more freedom to see their predecessor & future memories through the Path. Sorry that's all I know.
I love this scene!! I was happy to finally hear Eren admit his feelings for Mikasa.
really?
@@coolguy7202 yep
@@Father_Daniel that's cool. i just think that it came out of nowhere and the plot twist of erens growth being meaningless is stupid.
@@coolguy7202 thats the point, he actually never grown. He has always been a suicidal maniac meathead.
@coolguy7202 I get it, I know alot of people don't like the scene. But I always felt it was obvious Eren loved her back. What happened when they were kids, the season 2 finale, and the scene where he asked her about her feelings. So I just thought it was nice payoff. But I respect your opinion and not just talking straight shit to me LOL .. sometimes I don't even comment on anime related things because backlash is so big LOL
seems like only irl Jaegerists hate the ending
Uhm the math ain’t mathin on those numbers for total population. “Billions died” “killed 80%” “2 million left”
Little correction: Eren didnt break down in S4 part 1 becouse he caused Sasha's death but instead after asking for her last words he broke down, realizing he failed to change the future he saw during the medal ceremony in S3. He already saw the comrades that would die back then and was still sad when it happened but trough the whole time he was trying to change what he saw and Sasha's death and last words were reasurence of the future he saw happening.
thank you for making this!!!!
Eren didnt know why he wanted to wipe it all away not because of fate or memories
He thought seeing the sight in armin's book(discovering an empty world outside the walls) will grant him freedom but when he discovered people lived outside the walls he was disapointed(he admit that to ramzi) and wanted to wipe it all away
I think alot of people dont get the scene with ramzi cuz you're focused on ramzi dying rather than what eren is saying
He was basicly telling him "i'm sorry, its to save eldia(his friends) but there's more to it(more important reason for rumbling) when i discovered people lived outside the walls i was disapointed and wanted to wipe it all away"
Because of this scene people think eren is feeling guilt and showing "humanity"
But i think eren in this scene was so evil
He's basicly telling a kid that his own childich dream is more important than his life and procedes to stomp on him in the next scene
Nah. He is feeling sorry for what he did here. He was always been set on wiping people but his kindness is telling him it is wrong. You can see it in his expressions in season 4. He did his prior decision and came to realization of what he did. He used his goal to free his friends but ultimately he wanted to level the world. His desire took over and now his conscience is kicking in. It is sad but that’s how people are. He is always been an evil kid. We witnessed him killed adults and regarded them as animals. A normal kid won’t have that thoughts. I think this is a great development, for me at least. He came to realize how evil he is. He is not protagonist or antagonist. He is just a human being who decided to do things and make mistakes. It was the largest mistake thou.
"For the sake of being edgy" is it ever really that simple? Anger, disappointment, disillusionment, sadness. I hate the idea that showing any emotion besides happy is seen as "being edgy" Eren is a dark character; it is a dark story. People are crammed and herded into a wall like live stock and that's all they know for centuries. When Armin shows Eren those books I think one of them says "were not suppose to talk about that" as if the idea of an outside is taboo. In the same day the Colossal titan breaks the wall and suddenly they're faced with the realization that those walls aren't safe anymore. Nobody is safe. You see your city get demolished, people die in front of you. It's depressing. Eren's anger is justified
Very well explained as always
If they had Reiner have PTSD in the earlier seasons why would it be too much for Eren to have a mental break down before death?
I'm so glad I found your channel from the ending explained video you did, yo have given me a way better understanding of the ending from the reading the Manga, I hated it before, so much so I didn't watch the anime ending. But now I think it's the perfect ending for the show and Manga thank you
But what I find off is how Eren did love his friends and wanted them to live long happy lives, but that was second to wanting to level everything. He said he was going for 100% of the people outside the wall but only managed to bring it to about even with the population of Paradis before they stopped him, which he was ok with because they look like heros and there's no overwhelming power gaps between the two sides, etc. Armin literraly asked "so you did all this for us?" And Eren said no, he wanted to see this sight. In your video though, you make it sound like friends were priority number one to Eren, but that's not the case.
I would also like some explanation to why Eren still had founder powers when Zeke died but the rumbling also stopped? That's still confusing to me.
I mean eren is a slave to freedom, and didn't know how to change the future. That is probably his main reason, but he chose that ending because it would save most of his friends.
@@mateonicolas1584 It's unclear how much power he had however. Lot of people argue that with the power to control any titan (and maybe any eldian's memory) through the intire history of titans, or at least since he was a kid, there would somehow be better solutions. I personally don't know what to think yet. That's why I'm in youtube comments all over the place lol
I think that’s a fact some people have a hard time understanding and accepting, that Eren indeed had a selfish desire that would overwhelm his other wants. It is true he wanted to save his friends, but his actions put them in more danger, and even got a few killed. Armin even recognizes Erens flawed reasoning. Eren is looking for some sort of way to try to justify his actions but simply can’t.
His friends were his number 1 goal. But it isnt enough to commite genocide . Like really . And so what really pushed him into it was his desire for freedom and selfish desire to see world from Armins book, his dream . Thats what pushed him . The point is, without this desire I think he wouldnt do it, he could use different plan
@@user-df8lp9zq8s Eren chose to see those sights, even if it meant sacrificing Sasha and Hange. He hates that he went that far to get to see that. He doesn't fully understand why but that's how he felt.
I do understand Eren, but I feel like the “I don’t want that” scene is worded terribly, and the animation does NOT help. It’s a very memeable scene and not in a good way.
Sure, the timelines where the Rumbling happened maybe the best ones for Eren. But what about the other ones such as the timelines where he ran away together with Mikasa, the timelines where Zeke's plan succeeded and the timelines where Paradis joined the Allies in the Marley Mid-East War? What will the results looked like? I know that Eren ran away is anything but good for Paradis. The same can also be said about Zeke's plan as well. Plus, marley can reversed his accomplishment sometime later after his death. But what about ones where they joined a war? I can see that it will created a situation similar to Britain and Russia back in the 19th century and I believed that such a situation will lasted for roughly a century. But during that time, the relations between Paradis and Marley will remained largely poor while the Mid-East-Eyalets that unified into the Sultanate became Paradis' main defender for the sake of its own interests. As for Hizuru, it is punished by being diplomatically isolated by both Paradis and Marley for playing both sides of the war.
He felt guilty because in other paths, Eldia gets crushed.
I don't know about y'all, but in 2021 when the chapter dropped, this particular moment of Eren breaking down made me SOOOO HAPPPYYY man. It's the fact we finally see that real Eren boy who's whiny like a little bitch again. Ngl, i was so tired (even frustrating) seeing Eren being completely soulless, cold, and edgy throughout the marley and WfP arc.
Him being able to express his own emotion with his only best friend felt so good.
Glad that Isayama also felt the same and saying that "the real Eren finally back" in one of his interview back then.
My problem is just that. "He never changed," is what Isayama is saying. That doesn't make for a good character arc. Characters change and learn and their views on life shift and develop. To find out right at the end that eren just feels the same way he always did and hasn't done anything other than what he was essentially told to do is just sad.
@shidder3606 well it is sad tho, eren is just doomed to begin with. The "development" here for him i guees is that he actually could control mostly of what he wanted without people telling him whhat to and not to do and also hiding it, and that's we saw during a whole S4.
I don't think the character "has always been that way" is a bad character, at least for me tho.
@@shidder3606What he saw wasnt development, it was depression . It was so noticable in Issyama drawings . I remembet that panel, when he was looking at young Mikasa and himself in paths , his expression. I was feeling , in that moment he is back for a second .
Nothing wrong with static characters. Eren did learn and change his views no doubt, but his core personality largely stayed the same @@shidder3606
I understand your feelings. It was refreshing to see Eren break down and show his emotions again in that scene. It was a reminder that he is still a human being, even though he has been through so much.
I also agree that it was frustrating to see Eren being so cold and edgy in the Marley and WfP arcs. It was hard to connect with him as a character during that time.
I'm glad that Isayama felt the same way and brought the real Eren back in that scene. It made him a more relatable and sympathetic character.
I also think it was important for Eren to have that breakdown with Armin. Armin is his best friend, and he is the only person who can truly understand him. It was good to see Eren finally be able to open up to him and express his emotions.
And, I think that scene was a great moment for Eren's character development. It showed that he is still human, even though he has been through so much. It also showed that he has a strong bond with Armin, and that he can rely on him for support.
I would like to correct one small thing
Eren only knew up to the rumbling and grishas memories from when he Kissed Historia's hand at the ceremony it wasn't until he made a pact with Yimir in the paths did he see past present and future all at once. Thats why in season 4 there are some moments that suprise him and catch him off guard beacuse he didn't all the details leading up to the rumbling he just knew he achieved it
Okay so for an initial watch, this scene was jarring. I didn’t really know how to feel about Eren’s breakdown mostly because of the dialogue. I do understand and like the intention of the scene, Eren is a human being and he is pathetic. I just think there could’ve been better lines to highlight this as it can be sudden especially within the format of a manga panel. I am an anime only however but I think it is intended to be pathetic. There’s also the fact of the Founder/connection to Ymir has scrambled Eren’s head and all this paths/time periods converging into one brain. So mentally he’s five, fifteen, nineteen, and two thousand years old all at once.
I might have doubted eren's felling for Mikasa but for sure I never thought he hated her, the scene were he confessed his feelings was really emotional cause I saw in him Eren when he was younger, just a child who wanted peace and freedom to be with his love ones .
Nice video bro
My only real issue with this scene is that I just can't find his love for Mikasa believable. They haven't had any chemistry the whole series. Their relationship really does seem entirely one-sided. I understand why Eren didn't reciprocate, but it does feel kinda cruel that he did all this for her and revealed his feelings for her after he forced her to kill him. It's just a strange situation and I can't fully pity him. The breakdown was pretty believable though. After he's been forced to hold his true feelings in and put on a cold, emotionless exterior, of course he'd breakdown. Eren has always been emotional, since the beginning. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, I like that he broke down because emotionless Eren seemed way more out of character for him.
I think first 3 seasons, Eren did love Mikasa but he had what we call 'inferiority complex'... He loved her but was also jealous of her too because she is strong than him and he thought that she is only protecting him because of his loyalty.
It all comes to a head this was the one moment he could let go of the facade and be honest
He didnt reduce the level of the population to the same as Paradis. He reduced their level of _civilization_ to that of Paradis. 20% of the global population should still be way more than Paradis, but they're so ruined by the events of the Rumbling, the outside world has been set to the level of civilization Paradis lived in.
I hate it that lots of people want Attack on Titan to be "Edgey and Dark" and nothing more, ignoring all its true depth of its themes and characters
Thank you for making this idiot proof for me! All my questions are answered, and now I can think about what I want for my new tattoo
I don’t believe he killed his own mother. It‘s super out of character and the power to control past pure titans is too crazy. The founding Titan did it and his memories are just messed up.
It’s not the population of outside world that dropped to the same level as Paradis. It’s the civilization level. Population wise it’s 80% gone, whatever the original population was.
It felt so RUSHED, and ex machina Bullshit where Falco starts flying out of nowhere, even though its not within his Titans powers.
Didn't that happen cause falco inhaled zeke's (the beast titan's) spinal fluid
They explain this in the show, he's a mix of both Titans. It's not out of nowhere. When they pass down Titans they never mix the spinal fluid.. since they get them to eat the last Warrior. It makes sense in the story, there's setup/an explanation/a reason why.
Now that's pathatic
I think the manga ending conveyed similar ideas, but you had to read into it more because of how it was written. For the anime folks when you consider manga readers felt like an eternity between monthly installments years for single episodes covering a few chapters it can be easy to forget the past. Good analysis.
You hit all the right points!!!
So in the Rumbling intro in the very beginning we see Armin appear to be asleep was suppose to resemble him speaking with Eren in the Paths???
Ben I know you’re reading my comments because you made 3 Eren Yey-gah’s to make up for the last two and I love you for it.
What’s the name of the song in the background that starts at 16:08? Asking for a friend
I mean its a different type of ending versus what where normally used to.
The problem isn't because Eren lost control of his emotions in Paths.
It's because he was doing it because of Mikasa, which is, where did it come from? Did Eren ever care about Mikasa romantically before?
In the S2 finale, he IGNORED Mikasa's advances to protect her more and not give up. More like because they are family.
The words he said to her there pretty much sound like a confession though.
Genuine question because im not sure I understood this and Mikasa's sequence at the cabin: did these events actually happen or did Eren plant these memories inside Armin and Mikasa's head?
It’s an alternate reality, cause in the manga, not in the show, they discuss Mikiasa can see in parallel worlds, so the bit in the cabin was a peek into if Eren said yes to if she loved him.
They did happen in the paths.
It's a small nitpick but I don't think Eren says he's going to lower the population to that of Paradis, he says their technology level will be reduced to that of Paradis.
What he's saying there has nothing to do with population numbers, he's talking about the technological level of society.
The only reason Eren killed whatever number of people he did is because his friends stopped him when they did. I actually think that was one thing that wasn't in his control because he refused to alter his friends' free will.
This scene was pathetic in so many ways. Lets break it down.
Eren before this breakdown since beginning
>> I just keep moving forward until I destroy my enemies
>> If someone takes my freedom, I won't hesitate to take theirs
>> I was born into this world
>> I won't leave Paradis future upto fate
Eren in this scene now all of a sudden
>> I cant see Mikasa (whom I didn't ever see as romantic figure) with another man
>> I am an idiot.
>> I didn't know why exactly I did Rumbling
I am a die hard AOT fan myself and regard Eren as the greatest protagonist of TV history, but even I have to sadly admit this scene where he went full pathetic mode and the one where he revealed he made that titan ate his mom were total BS and did Eren my boy dirty.
Then when did mikasa get the memory with eren in the cabin? Right before she killed him?
Eren never *really* grew as a character. And that's why this *wasn't* out of character. He was always an emotional idiot carrying out fate he never understood. That scene (in the anime) points this fact out perfectly.
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Can someone explain why only when he touched Historia’s hand he realized what he did or the memories came back of what he did?
I love the way he says yeager as YAYGAH
It's crazy, really. Throughout AoT, we've always assumed that Eren was just a determined and (to put it succinctly) very stubborn boy. His conversation with Armin act as a complete 180/ a juxtaposition of how we've known him. The way I see it, his stubbornness acts as a front for him to progress forward. Did I get that right?
i watched whole series with my fiance and i swear this was the only moment i got a loud reaction of satisfaction out of her
if Eren was just giving himself memories and the desire to level everything since birth, wouldn't he have understood that and explained it though? He knew he was manipulating Grisha; knew he spoke through Eren Kruger, and knew he directed Dina to eat Carla, but when it comes to himself, he's suddenly completely unaware of *himself* ? My interpretation is rather that Eren is genuinely just a genocidal maniac lol. Perhaps this scene really was just Eren coming to grips with what Reiner said: "Eren, you're the worst possible person to inherit the Coordinate". He even said that rather than doing it for his friends, "seeing this sight" was his main goal, and that he was genuinely going to erase 100% of humanity if they didn't stop him. Eren Jaeger is just a complete idiot, just like he said lmao.
Eren Jaeger. Thanks for the memories bro.
That was the warning from the vow to refuse war from that one king that went to island and created the walls …eren had just did what the king warned them if their wasnt going to be peace
Bro i didn't knew this was the most controversial scene in the manga when i read it I didn't felt that slightly i thought then ending was rushed but that was all i didn't knew why people hated it i loved it in the manga and show made it way better
people hated it because it didn't align with their headcanon.
I still hate the manga ending but anime ending is great cuz here armin isn't out of character
@@Echo-nn8dtAnd you love it cause it aligned with yours?
i just think the ending contradicts his growth and makes the series pointless. and if an ending leaves that impression on the viewer then i think it's just a blatantly bad ending and one of the worst plot twists i've ever seen.
Best ending ever but I still hate Ymir (not in a “bad character” way)
Which ymir?
@@valysheev Founder, sometimes forget there are 2😅
It’s perfect..just the romantic in me, wish Mikasa and Eren got more time together. It’s not canon they spent 4 years in the path together but I wish it was. It would make the ending a bit less sad for me. The idea of Mikasa never letting go because she at least already had a life with Eren is my head canon, the alternative is just too damn sad man.
Eren ❤❤ Mikasa forever
Well even after Eren died, it’s pretty clear Mikasa never let go of her love for him. Look up what she wrote on his tombstone, the symbolism of the flowers she put on his grave and those same flowers she had on her body while wearing the scarf in her deathbed. She continued loving him until she died.
Can someone please explain why he calls Bertholdt Barclofagus?
I thought the Ackermans couldn't turn into titans and/or memories be wiped by the founder? (Think back to Kenny). So how could Ymir or Erin get into her head or communicate through the paths??
They're still eldians and connected by the paths, titan powers aren't the same as the paths, Ackermans are just immune to titan powers
I think eren didn't wipe her memories just created a different dimension where they both ran away to the cabin and bcz of that mikasa knew where eren's head was
It's simple... Ymir was trying to look into her head but she couldn't... Which in return caused Mikasa headaches.
They are still eldians who can be brought to paths... That's what eren did... He created a fabricated reality in the paths and brought Mikasa there.... Lived 4 years with her.
In reality not even few seconds passed...
Eren never wiped her memories.... He brought her into paths right before it was time for him to die Mikasa's hands.... That's why both realities were intertwined as one when Mikasa kissed eren and says "see you later eren"
He talked to everyone else when they were on boats... Not Mikasa cuz he can't wipe her memories
I hope it helps
@@user-qx1id1dt8x but the marleans weren't in the paths when Erin talked to all the eldians. Was it because it was impossible or thats what he chose?
@@PrinceKumar-yz8nl definitely. Thanks!
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I don’t get how a man breaking down about all the murdered he’s going to commit is “pathetic”
Now I'm crying again, dammit. I loved this scene so much, I think it was incredibly important to have kept it in. I can't help but feel heartbroken 💔 for Eren, as well as Mikasa and Armin. Eren went through hell and tbf if I was in his position, with so much riding on my success, I would possibly even choose the same path and I'm certainly not a brutal or uncaring edge lord. I just feel so sad.😢
Wait so armin will remember the last memory with eren at his death or erens death?
I find it ironic eren is consider oh so determined to protect his freinds yet it was revealed in Mikasas dream with him gmhe would have swiftly abandoned all of his freinds including armin & run away with mikasa leaving everyone else to die if she told him she loved her, very contradictory & shows he really didn't love them as much as we thought
Why does he keep calling Berthedolt "Barclawthecus" or however you spell there damn names? 💀
I haven't watched this channel that long so maybe its a running joke?
I need to know the answer to this because it's really bugging the hell out of me watching this video
@@TrueFool188 RIGHT? Like what is the reason? 😂
Eren though said that this was the only outcome for him because he's an idiot, so the power couldn't grant him a different or better outcome. I love that!
imagine hating on eren bec he cried for mikasa finding another man
She didn’t find another man thi
Barcovaclos?😂
Is it a meme that I'm not getting? There's no way that's his name. It keeps giving me whiplash
I think the only mistake Isayama did was making timeskip Eren too cool and too awesome that we forget he was a pathetic character from the start. Eren is just a pathetic-looking fighter that is willing go through the darkest path if it means he could protect his friends and their future, all throughout the story. I'm just amazed to see that even all the timelines he went through in search for the most workable outcome, Eren is still the same pathetic-looking person through and through.
Really appreciate your video man, thanks for making me realize that this was the best scene of AOT and not a disappointing one at the very least. I just wish that your video came out right after I finished reading the final chapter 2 years ago. Attack on Titan is definitely a masterpiece and we have Isayama to thank for.
Its funny how Armin thinks hell just gonna be on fire but they gonna talk and dap each other up. 😅
when Armin said, they will be forever together in hell, I bawled my eyes out lol
I personally would’ve preferred Eren to be how Killmonger was; a tragic monster with nothing other than hate in his heart.
Im sad that aot ended, but happy for the end we got.
Im friends with stephen Moran. congrats on almost 100k subs! im subbing just to give you a boost.
Eren is currently committing mass genocide, which armin is currently trying to stop
Instead of arguing about that they start talking about eren's being mad about his crush possibly moving on from him
Like, does nobody see how tone deaf the entire thing is?
Have eren cry about not finding another way to stop paradis from being destroyed
Have eren cry about not being able to save all of his friends
Have armin apologize for not finding another way or not seeing eren changing
But no, eren is just dumb and armin feels responsible because he showed him a book when they were kids
This conversation could have been 100 times more deep and interesting, making love stories the focus was just insane
Oh I forgot the part when eren destroys the entire series by revealing that the founding titan can change the past and only used this power to kill his own mother (what), with a couple of lines and then imediately switch topic
Like seriously?
I think the Eren we see in season 4 is the true Eren. The Eren we get in the Paths talk is sort of before he fully commited to the tragic life he was determined to live out. Doing what he did is what drove him to being that bad ass Eren. So, It's both.
I sincerely think the people complaining about how this scene completely ruins Eren’s character were the exact type of people that were on the “Fuck yeah, genocide is so edgy and cool” train. They were never going to be satisfied with the ending to begin with because they completely missed the message Isayama was leaving the viewer, and they certainly never understood Eren as a character to begin with.
What message? That fighting is pointless and humans never change? What a great message, lol
Eren motivations to start a complete rumbling were perfectly clear until this dumb ending
Now he suddently became a childish moron that had no clue of what he was doing the entire time, and didn't even have agency since "It was all written". So basically yeah, the entire thing is significantly damaged by that scene
Crazy that this really need to be explained lol
I think there's more than just 1 million non-Eldians left, it's just that none of the remaining civilizations have as many people as Eldia, so war would be insanely costly, even under a united front
80% would mean the planet only had roughly 6-8million people in total pre-Rumbling, and that's just not a lot of people even for a world like this with how technologically advanced most of civilization was.
Even in the dark ages, we in real life Earth had WAY more people than that even after the worst of the Black Plague