I'll be honest: as a German I am not all that fond of your loud-but-friendly American style in general, but seeing you get excited about the functioning of a "mere" work piece holder makes me really happy (in a subtle, corner-of-the-mouth-barely-upturned way. Of course.)
Our kids don’t know about Manufacturing and you don’t see it on television etc. If nobody shows excitement for something so important, we will lose it... I looked around and everyone is talking about the Skills Gap... but nobody is actually doing anything real to fix it. We need to get people excited about our trade.
Sold a KSC vise set to a customer last week as part of a 5 axis kit. What sold the solution is that the KN clamping forces coupled with the grip jaws bit into the metal enough that they eliminated the dove tail process. Good stuff.
I started off in somewhere around 1980 working on a NC Burgmaster.. as time went along CNC Machines came out. But before they did all calculations were done by hand and typed in on a flexowriter that punched out a mylar tape. The machines started off doing point to point programming and then slowly switched over to absolute programming. The shops we worked in were a little bit cleaner than a dirty horse stall. I watch these videos now and can only shake my head. At the end of my "career" I was working on a 4 axis G&L with a 8 inch spindle. I'm jealous...you guys have it so good. It looks like you're working in a operating room. All you're missing is a cute nurse to come out and change tools for you!
This vice is super rigid BOOM! Change the fixture and BOOM! put the air hose and BOOM!. My tool just crashed and BOOM!. Awesome videos mate. Keep the good work!!
I am working for Schunk in Germany, and i Love to use the Schunk clamping devices on my DMU, they are so uncomplicated to use and they always guarantee you a safe clamping.
That is some awesome workholding. I’ve sen 5th axis and Lang but nothing like this. So quick and easy to switch. Good job you have some large muscles in your arms Titan to lift these vices in. Look forward to seeing what this machine can do. I love DMG Mori’s. Keep up the good work. Rise to greatness.
Watching this makes me laugh a little because my shop Rimeco Products in Ohio actually developed their own quick clamp for the 4th axis on Haas machines. We call it the kiwki clamp. It helps so much with production because once the machine stops it only take 5 seconds to swap fixtures with great rigidity and accuracy. Keep it up Titan!
Slight nit-pick, but I think it's really important to get this unit thing right: Newtons is a force. Foot-pounds is a torque. You cannot directly convert between the two because they are not the same unit. You need additional information to make this work. If 1 kN = 225 foot-lbs, then you must be using some property of the lead/ball screw on the vise to do the conversion (that property being the pitch of the screw). The setting on the vise that you are adjusting with the ring is the clamping force on the part, not the clamping torque. I understand that you use a torque wrench typically (which would be Newton-meters or foot-pounds) and you know the conversion for a particular vise between torque and clamping force (like, 1 foot-pound torque = 10 lbs of clamping force). I suppose my nit is to try communicate more clearly to prevent confusion! It matters even more because you are an excellent educational resource. k thx for listening. I love the vero-s system and we use it every day with robots!
Good morning, Team! Let’s get it!! Boom! 💥! For my last production run on our brand new VF-2 Haas Mill, I used Mitee Bite clamps, my first time ever using them. Worked like a champ! I love what I do. To me it’s not a job, or work...I actually get paid to do what I love.
Thank you for sharing experience! Two years later, do you still consider this setup as perfect solution or has something new and more awesome appeared?
When you leave a gap of about 2mm when placing the raw material. (Between the jaws). The vise will close the gap and clamp to set pressure when closing the vise with the "long" handle. When the part is finished and you open the vise it will open to the 2mm gap, and you can pick-up the part without having tot open the vise manually for a second time. You win a few seconds every time. European made. BOOM!
That's a sweet setup! My mind was thinking an oversized pallet straight up, for adding to your parts capacity per setup. Not sure if practical to do so, but an extra 10-20% worth of parts per batch would add up in time & efficiency savings... Another awesome video!
In a job shop, an extra 10% per batch in terms of competitiveness is HUGE. If you're making prototypes, Bridgeports work ok. Think how many more contracts you'll get if you can bid 10 percent lower than the next guy? Or how you can attract the best workers if you can give them an extra day off every other week (10%) for the same money? It really looks like a big deal to me.
What an amazing guy titan you've really showed me something amazing ive never used any machines before but i want to know more about cnc milling and the different materials you guys use from Raymond
Titan, you should check out and promote the modular fixturing systems sold by 5th Axis. Their stuff is very similar to Shunk or Lang but less expensive and made in the USA!
I see a lot of confusion in the comments about the force numbers--to clear things up, Titan just misspoke when saying foot-pounds--cut him a break! 1 pound of force is 4.448 newtons, 40000 N (40 kN) would be 8992.805 pounds.
@Charles Hill The SkyHook does not need the top of the machine to be open. In fact it takes less room the a person. I use them on my Super Mini Mill and on much larger Doosan machines. Major hand/back saver.
Titan ... You should try some PH Horn tooling .. it's amazing what cuts you can take with it .. Also Nikken hydraulic chucks for holding tooling .. You'll never pull another ripper out of a tool holder ... ! Reminds me of the time I was machining Door frames out of solid billet alli for Westland helicopters .. Carbide tooling and hitting a 30 foot high inside roof with the chips flying off (Machine had no guards as it was a horizontal with tool holders out of the main drive spindle) Z axis working plane become the Y Axis working plane ... !
Hi ... I've never had a ripper pull out on me yet with a Nikken hydraulic chuck ... A collet chuck has lost me many rippers and parts over the year ... ! I'm a cnc miller by trade, we always used Nikken in aerospace ... !
Hello TITAN! I love what you're doing for the entire machining trade with the CNC Academy. I wish this existed 19 years ago when I got started in manufacturing. I only have about 5 years of CNC experience, programming, and setup. So I'm still learning on the job, and with your Academy. I do have a question for you. I've been using SolidWorks for 2 years now and I'm looking at transitioning over to Fusion 360. What CAD/CAM software do you use on a daily basis for all of your part design, and CNC programming? Also, if you use more than 1 type of software, what are the pro's and con's of both types? Again, thank you for your help.
This Vero-S is really nice system but it's set-up bit more involved than what Titan described here. For starters you have three types of standard clamping pins: fixed, positioning and holding. You want to use only one fixed and one positioning pin per set-up - others should be only holding the part down.
If you're using both vises to clamp a long piece of stock that spans both of them, do you lock the vises down to the QC "pylon" (remove the air supply) AFTER you torque them down in both vises? Or do you lock the vises down to the QC "pylon" first, then tighten the jaws onto the stock? Or are the vises coplanar/parallel/trammed so precise, and have accurate & precise repeatability, that it doesn't matter what order they're tightened? Thanks, Titan. I really love your love for America, American manufacturing, and American trades workers.
Small error. Its mentioned as being 40kn. kn is a force, not torque. Its 1kn per 224.8 lbs of clamping force not 224.8 ft lbs which is torque. So its 40kn roughly 9000lbs of clamping force, which is way easier than having to calculate clamping force from screw torque. I never really worry to much about what the actual clamping force is, I just find a torque value thats holds the part good enough without actually distorting the part too much. I usually start around 60 ft lbs for most things and adjust from there based on intuition or an indicator sweep.
Greetings Titan, Mario Salazar with Intuitive Machines here in Houston Space Port, we're building a space ship to revisit the moon in 2021 and another launch towards the moons south pole as well in 2023, if your in the area come see us, you are truly inspiring and I'm a big fan, come see us if your ever in the area.
Titan this machine are great, but as they age oh boy! They give you all kinds of problems, we have 2 dmu50's and a dmu 70 at my workplace, the technician came to fix some software issue at one of the 50's and ended up messing up the one that was running perfect. We need better technicians that know how to fix this machines.
I'm using X-PENT 5AXIS VICE having torque 90N/m FOR CAST IRON HOLDING, on ZERO CLAMPING DMU-75MONOBLOCK. I WANT TORQUE CHART ACCORDING TO MATERIAL FOR HOLDING...IT'S BOOM USING KENNAMETAL ,SCHUNK, WALTER TOOLS
We have a dmu 60 in work it’s super fast and really like running it, but we have moved onto the hermles in work, and we use Lang vices for our work holding, real good vices in my opinion what do you think about Lang vices .?
I run a 15 year old mori seiki. That I love. We just got a new lb3000 Okuma... I've always liked the okuma soft wear better. But the mori seiki is one stout machine. Just curious what machine you prefer??
Titan, What type of air fittings are you using for the Vero base unit? I have Vero in my shop and I cannot find a quick connect air fitting that will keep chips and coolant out.
Hello, Titan! Very nice videos and one of the best channel in CNC Machining! Many thanks for this useful content! I have a life hack for your KSG 125 vices: to make them handy to move onto VERO-S station or machine table and back you can screw in a Handle (ID 0430202 on a SCHUNK website). Have you seen two threads on a back side of the vices? That's what they are for 😉. I’m surprised but a lot of customers don’t know it.
Can you explain why to use that vero-s vs the lang quickpoint system? it seems much taller, isnt that a negative factor? second try this: On your new vices, back up one klick after hitting the material so your piece is free. Now use the quarter turn to lock your part in place. used this technique some times (always when i was allowed to use the schunk vices, tho) and never had problems with it. But you save that extra movement to open your jaws more (which CAN be possible mistakes if not done correctly) keep on doing ;)
No comparison when comparing clamping forces. Also the SCHUNK system gives you an upgrade path to automation. The ability to control clamp and release through code.
We started to use bolt lock system for fast install. I'm not too impressed though. I think, it's too sloppy. It holds the location, but it moves we with force. This looks more reliable. But is the cost justifiable?
I love schunk products, their vices are amazing. I wanted to go with the vero system on our 5 axis and our newer 3 axis but most of our customers use FCS so we ended going that route. Also I noticed you are still using the kennametal hydraulic holders, why not the schunk holders. There toolholding is among the best.
@@TITANSofCNC we are a job shop and a lot of the work we do has very right deadlines, Kennametal is the only brand we can get guaranteed next day. So we use A LOT of Kennametal. Kennametal is defininatly a quality brand, but there are some things I avoid like the plague, there tool holder's are one, we have mainly big plus spindles in our shop and I've found that less than half of the tool holders actually makes dual contact. I hate being talking a brand down, it's just that I use A LOT of it and I often find myself wishing I had something else. Maybe I'm just spoiled.
Schunk has a great jaw program for those vises. The short grip serrated edge jaws will hold onto just about anything by just 3mm. Gressel/Schunk makes nice stuff all the way 'round.
@@viktorb137 The KSG vises are fine & as stated, he has the KSX vise for times when he needs the extra room. Simulation and accurate tool & holder models are the key to avoiding collision in any machine.
@@zaknefain100 TheKSX Vises are only expensif thei are not Centering the Work and thet is a big problem from a CAM programmer view point and may apinien ist thet the KSX are not the best Vises for the mony. The DMU 50 hass a B C combination and in thet the Spindel ist veri often in kolischen witch the X+ and X- seits of the sindel and you need then a longer tol holder ony becose the vise ist the wrong type for any job on the DMU 50 or all 5x Maschines IF TITAN have pay for a normal Hilma 5x centering vise he could have 4 or 5 for the same money in particular he can then make 3 pallets like Tipe 1 1 Hilma vise type 2 2 Hilma vises type 3 3 hilma vises to make longer part with no old vises positioning wolk ps: my English is Baad/poor blame the German school system for thet. Are You Yusing the KSX or KSG Typs ?wat are your expiriens witch them?
Hey titan, I met you at imts. I pound aluminum all day with plus minus.005. Will it be easy to learn accuracy by doing it or will I need to learn from other places. Like how vice pressure effects a bore that’s plus or minus .0003.
Something doesn't add up in the math. For some reason I think it is 4.0 KN per Meter or 274 pound per foot. Looking at titan if he is 200 lbs with a 2 feet bar to the center he had to put just a little less then half of his weight onto the end of the handle.
Very Impressive! Didn't see in the video but I would think they have some type of cover for the male connector that must be in place during the machining process to keep the contaminants out of your system. Merry Christmas to you and yours and here is wishing you a prosperous New Year. John
Hai tiatan iam having a prblm with roatary axis which is mounted on vmc bed... When doing drilling at required co ordinate position for the frst component its k..but when its rotating 180 dgree and done the drilling the hole to hole co axility is nt coming will u suggest anything to solve this issue..
Best feature of DMG-Mori's? Controller boots SE_Linux no more Micrsoft crap under the hood. GUY is powered by Python. You'll scrap your machine before you have OS issues. A real OS for real programmers and real machines. Hey Roeders, take a hint.
The wooden work table must be very strong enough to carry that amount of weight, right? where can i find one of those? i see all yours videos and i can not see the brand…...
I am disappointed with DMG, I bought the NLX2500/700 Lathe, the conversational control (MAPPS) is terrible. Is this the same? Shopturn is now available, I ordered just before it was available. CELOS is not finished, the job scheduler just does not work correctly, anyone else had same issues? This workholding is very good, but expensive and stacking vice jaws I would think will make it far less stable than attaching to the bed? Good work though Titan, love what you do.
Hey Titan, awesome DMG! I wanted to ask if you have an advice on how to get low volume contracts to start my machining journey (to start of with hobby tools btw:D ) that would really help me a lot.
First of all, love your show. I have worked in a machine shop for almost 20 years - PTooling Inc. We have a TH-cam channel too... check it out if you have time. We have been interviewed in Cutting Tool Engineering and even are showcased in the DMG MORI catalogue for the Lasertec 65. We primarily ran Mori Seikis and even had the privilege of working with the Lasertec 65. Sad news, the shop has nearly closed and my dad is still fighting to keep it alive. Times can get tough in this field to say the least. If you are ever in southern Ontario and can visit my pops to give him encouragement I would be most grateful. Also, I just wanted to give a shoutout to Mori Seiki machinery. Rock solid machines, accurate, amazing, jaw dropping, cuts aeons off cycle times. Anyways, all the best!
OK.. talking about being perfect... I want to perfect my setup sheets. do you offer word, or editable PDF of your setupsheets? All the setup sheets are not editable on the acadamey
The drive mechanics on these 3rd gen DMUs are insane. No worms and stuff anymore; they’re extremely robust. Big power and big speed. It does seem a little heavy for heaving in and out though. Our Mori verticals will retract the roof shutter with an M code. Makes getting a chain fall in for heavy stuff a piece of cake. Not sure if the 5 axis machines do this or not.
I'll be honest: as a German I am not all that fond of your loud-but-friendly American style in general, but seeing you get excited about the functioning of a "mere" work piece holder makes me really happy (in a subtle, corner-of-the-mouth-barely-upturned way. Of course.)
Our kids don’t know about Manufacturing and you don’t see it on television etc. If nobody shows excitement for something so important, we will lose it...
I looked around and everyone is talking about the Skills Gap... but nobody is actually doing anything real to fix it.
We need to get people excited about our trade.
Sold a KSC vise set to a customer last week as part of a 5 axis kit. What sold the solution is that the KN clamping forces coupled with the grip jaws bit into the metal enough that they eliminated
the dove tail process. Good stuff.
I started off in somewhere around 1980 working on a NC Burgmaster.. as time went along CNC Machines came out. But before they did all calculations were done by hand and typed in on a flexowriter that punched out a mylar tape. The machines started off doing point to point programming and then slowly switched over to absolute programming. The shops we worked in were a little bit cleaner than a dirty horse stall.
I watch these videos now and can only shake my head. At the end of my "career" I was working on a 4 axis G&L with a 8 inch spindle.
I'm jealous...you guys have it so good. It looks like you're working in a operating room. All you're missing is a cute nurse to come out and change tools for you!
THANK YOU TITAN! YOU REALLY ARE HELPING SO MANY OF US LEARN NEW WAYS OF DOING/HOLDING/PROGRAMMING!
This vice is super rigid BOOM! Change the fixture and BOOM! put the air hose and BOOM!. My tool just crashed and BOOM!.
Awesome videos mate. Keep the good work!!
omg I wish I worked in a shop with this level of equipment, tooling and machines..
DMU and Schunk, can't beat it. Super rigid, super flexible
I am working for Schunk in Germany, and i Love to use the Schunk clamping devices on my DMU, they are so uncomplicated to use and they always guarantee you a safe clamping.
That is some awesome workholding. I’ve sen 5th axis and Lang but nothing like this. So quick and easy to switch. Good job you have some large muscles in your arms Titan to lift these vices in. Look forward to seeing what this machine can do. I love DMG Mori’s. Keep up the good work. Rise to greatness.
I love how you try and make it look easy. That setup is beast mode like you !😂 that setup is sick
Watching this makes me laugh a little because my shop Rimeco Products in Ohio actually developed their own quick clamp for the 4th axis on Haas machines. We call it the kiwki clamp. It helps so much with production because once the machine stops it only take 5 seconds to swap fixtures with great rigidity and accuracy. Keep it up Titan!
Slight nit-pick, but I think it's really important to get this unit thing right:
Newtons is a force. Foot-pounds is a torque.
You cannot directly convert between the two because they are not the same unit. You need additional information to make this work.
If 1 kN = 225 foot-lbs, then you must be using some property of the lead/ball screw on the vise to do the conversion (that property being the pitch of the screw).
The setting on the vise that you are adjusting with the ring is the clamping force on the part, not the clamping torque. I understand that you use a torque wrench typically (which would be Newton-meters or foot-pounds) and you know the conversion for a particular vise between torque and clamping force (like, 1 foot-pound torque = 10 lbs of clamping force).
I suppose my nit is to try communicate more clearly to prevent confusion! It matters even more because you are an excellent educational resource.
k thx for listening. I love the vero-s system and we use it every day with robots!
Good morning, Team! Let’s get it!! Boom! 💥! For my last production run on our brand new VF-2 Haas Mill, I used Mitee Bite clamps, my first time ever using them. Worked like a champ! I love what I do. To me it’s not a job, or work...I actually get paid to do what I love.
That's how I feel about welding
Thank you for sharing experience! Two years later, do you still consider this setup as perfect solution or has something new and more awesome appeared?
Love the DMU 50!! Awesome machine and I want one !!
When you leave a gap of about 2mm when placing the raw material. (Between the jaws). The vise will close the gap and clamp to set pressure when closing the vise with the "long" handle.
When the part is finished and you open the vise it will open to the 2mm gap, and you can pick-up the part without having tot open the vise manually for a second time.
You win a few seconds every time.
European made. BOOM!
That's a sweet setup! My mind was thinking an oversized pallet straight up, for adding to your parts capacity per setup. Not sure if practical to do so, but an extra 10-20% worth of parts per batch would add up in time & efficiency savings... Another awesome video!
In a job shop, an extra 10% per batch in terms of competitiveness is HUGE. If you're making prototypes, Bridgeports work ok. Think how many more contracts you'll get if you can bid 10 percent lower than the next guy? Or how you can attract the best workers if you can give them an extra day off every other week (10%) for the same money? It really looks like a big deal to me.
We have 40 Vero S pods on our okuma double column. I'd recommend utilizing the turbo feature as well
I would love to work in that shop! Awesome to see someone so passionate. Love from Australia
Real titans of cnc !
Great stuff titan super informative learning alot of great things and Super entertaining to boot !!! Keep it up !!
2:50 so sick!
In this day and age I think the machine venders should build the air lines into the machine door. Same for quality lighting within the machines.
What an amazing guy titan you've really showed me something amazing ive never used any machines before but i want to know more about cnc milling and the different materials you guys use from Raymond
Nice tooling.
But what about base plate and table rust.
Also theirs a lot of vertical real estate used up.
Titan, you should check out and promote the modular fixturing systems sold by 5th Axis. Their stuff is very similar to Shunk or Lang but less expensive and made in the USA!
German Technology 👉🏻💪🏻
American Made
Augenaufgermany america is the best
@@abdullahturk3992 germany is way better
I see a lot of confusion in the comments about the force numbers--to clear things up, Titan just misspoke when saying foot-pounds--cut him a break!
1 pound of force is 4.448 newtons, 40000 N (40 kN) would be 8992.805 pounds.
Titan - you need a SkyHook crane to load those things. Save your hands and back.
@Charles Hill The SkyHook does not need the top of the machine to be open. In fact it takes less room the a person. I use them on my Super Mini Mill and on much larger Doosan machines. Major hand/back saver.
Titan ...
You should try some PH Horn tooling .. it's amazing what cuts you can take with it .. Also Nikken hydraulic chucks for holding tooling .. You'll never pull another ripper out of a tool holder ... !
Reminds me of the time I was machining Door frames out of solid billet alli for Westland helicopters .. Carbide tooling and hitting a 30 foot high inside roof with the chips flying off (Machine had no guards as it was a horizontal with tool holders out of the main drive spindle) Z axis working plane become the Y Axis working plane ... !
Hi ... I've never had a ripper pull out on me yet with a Nikken hydraulic chuck ... A collet chuck has lost me many rippers and parts over the year ... ! I'm a cnc miller by trade, we always used Nikken in aerospace ... !
CNC machinist...Boom....get big arms in 3 months...BOOM...!
Can you make a video going over the nlx celos controls
Hello TITAN! I love what you're doing for the entire machining trade with the CNC Academy. I wish this existed 19 years ago when I got started in manufacturing. I only have about 5 years of CNC experience, programming, and setup. So I'm still learning on the job, and with your Academy. I do have a question for you. I've been using SolidWorks for 2 years now and I'm looking at transitioning over to Fusion 360. What CAD/CAM software do you use on a daily basis for all of your part design, and CNC programming? Also, if you use more than 1 type of software, what are the pro's and con's of both types? Again, thank you for your help.
This Vero-S is really nice system but it's set-up bit more involved than what Titan described here. For starters you have three types of standard clamping pins: fixed, positioning and holding. You want to use only one fixed and one positioning pin per set-up - others should be only holding the part down.
If you're using both vises to clamp a long piece of stock that spans both of them, do you lock the vises down to the QC "pylon" (remove the air supply) AFTER you torque them down in both vises? Or do you lock the vises down to the QC "pylon" first, then tighten the jaws onto the stock? Or are the vises coplanar/parallel/trammed so precise, and have accurate & precise repeatability, that it doesn't matter what order they're tightened? Thanks, Titan. I really love your love for America, American manufacturing, and American trades workers.
Small error. Its mentioned as being 40kn. kn is a force, not torque. Its 1kn per 224.8 lbs of clamping force not 224.8 ft lbs which is torque. So its 40kn roughly 9000lbs of clamping force, which is way easier than having to calculate clamping force from screw torque. I never really worry to much about what the actual clamping force is, I just find a torque value thats holds the part good enough without actually distorting the part too much. I usually start around 60 ft lbs for most things and adjust from there based on intuition or an indicator sweep.
Bells and whistles work fine when they new, problems will arise later after chips start falling and if actually goes to work
Yeah ---- Schunk vices are very high quality !
In my company we also use these vices - and they are great!
Greetings Titan, Mario Salazar with Intuitive Machines here in Houston Space Port, we're building a space ship to revisit the moon in 2021 and another launch towards the moons south pole as well in 2023, if your in the area come see us, you are truly inspiring and I'm a big fan, come see us if your ever in the area.
Titan this machine are great, but as they age oh boy! They give you all kinds of problems, we have 2 dmu50's and a dmu 70 at my workplace, the technician came to fix some software issue at one of the 50's and ended up messing up the one that was running perfect. We need better technicians that know how to fix this machines.
This is the 3rd Gen and I hear it’s much better
Is the next video going to be cutting chips at 1600 ipm??? I hope so.
I'm using X-PENT 5AXIS VICE having torque 90N/m FOR CAST IRON HOLDING, on ZERO CLAMPING DMU-75MONOBLOCK. I WANT TORQUE CHART ACCORDING TO MATERIAL FOR HOLDING...IT'S BOOM USING KENNAMETAL ,SCHUNK, WALTER TOOLS
I just received a similar pallet system and wondered how you indicate the pallet base to the center of the table?
I operate dmg nlx 2500/700 awesome machine that i operate ever.
Im realy like what your doing there. Keep up :)
Very nice setup, love it. Must be safe, extending your back when you put heavy stuff in the machine is very dangerous. Please save your back!!!
In California it’s a Killa Newton
We have a dmu 60 in work it’s super fast and really like running it, but we have moved onto the hermles in work, and we use Lang vices for our work holding, real good vices in my opinion what do you think about Lang vices .?
I run a 15 year old mori seiki. That I love. We just got a new lb3000 Okuma... I've always liked the okuma soft wear better. But the mori seiki is one stout machine. Just curious what machine you prefer??
THA KING OF CNC !! BOOM!!!!! *Dab*
He forgot that that fixture is Super Expensive!
Titan, What type of air fittings are you using for the Vero base unit? I have Vero in my shop and I cannot find a quick connect air fitting that will keep chips and coolant out.
Hello, Titan!
Very nice videos and one of the best channel in CNC Machining! Many thanks for this useful content!
I have a life hack for your KSG 125 vices: to make them handy to move onto VERO-S station or machine table and back you can screw in a Handle (ID 0430202 on a SCHUNK website). Have you seen two threads on a back side of the vices? That's what they are for 😉. I’m surprised but a lot of customers don’t know it.
Thanks
"But if I dont wanna do that with my hand all the time." Shows a different way to do it by hand
Can you explain why to use that vero-s vs the lang quickpoint system? it seems much taller, isnt that a negative factor?
second try this:
On your new vices, back up one klick after hitting the material so your piece is free. Now use the quarter turn to lock your part in place. used this technique some times (always when i was allowed to use the schunk vices, tho) and never had problems with it.
But you save that extra movement to open your jaws more (which CAN be possible mistakes if not done correctly)
keep on doing ;)
No comparison when comparing clamping forces. Also the SCHUNK system gives you an upgrade path to automation. The ability to control clamp and release through code.
My plant engineer, John Dolan brought me here. I guess some folks at Taco Inc. visited you awhile back.
We started to use bolt lock system for fast install.
I'm not too impressed though.
I think, it's too sloppy. It holds the location, but it moves we with force.
This looks more reliable.
But is the cost justifiable?
I love schunk products, their vices are amazing. I wanted to go with the vero system on our 5 axis and our newer 3 axis but most of our customers use FCS so we ended going that route. Also I noticed you are still using the kennametal hydraulic holders, why not the schunk holders. There toolholding is among the best.
Like Schunk, Kennametal is also Top Quality.
@@TITANSofCNC we are a job shop and a lot of the work we do has very right deadlines, Kennametal is the only brand we can get guaranteed next day. So we use A LOT of Kennametal. Kennametal is defininatly a quality brand, but there are some things I avoid like the plague, there tool holder's are one, we have mainly big plus spindles in our shop and I've found that less than half of the tool holders actually makes dual contact. I hate being talking a brand down, it's just that I use A LOT of it and I often find myself wishing I had something else. Maybe I'm just spoiled.
I feel bad already, their turning inserts are pretty good and I do like the Harvi 3's lol
Schunk has a great jaw program for those vises. The short grip serrated edge jaws will hold onto just about anything by just 3mm. Gressel/Schunk makes nice stuff all the way 'round.
but the scru is pointing aut so you have a lot of Kolisions edces an thys vice and thets wei ther are ony for 3 x Maschins
@@viktorb137 The KSG vises are fine & as stated, he has the KSX vise for times when he needs the extra room. Simulation and accurate tool & holder models are the key to avoiding collision in any machine.
@@zaknefain100 TheKSX Vises are only expensif thei are not Centering the Work and thet is a big problem from a CAM programmer view point and may apinien ist thet the KSX are not the best Vises for the mony. The DMU 50 hass a B C combination and in thet the Spindel ist veri often in kolischen witch the X+ and X- seits of the sindel and you need then a longer tol holder ony becose the vise ist the wrong type for any job on the DMU 50 or all 5x Maschines
IF TITAN have pay for a normal Hilma 5x centering vise he could have 4 or 5 for the same money in particular he can then make 3 pallets like Tipe 1 1 Hilma vise type 2 2 Hilma vises type 3 3 hilma vises to make longer part with no old vises positioning wolk ps: my English is Baad/poor blame the German school system for thet.
Are You Yusing the KSX or KSG Typs ?wat are your expiriens witch them?
Don't u still have 2 indicate the vise in? How can u make adjustments if ur Vise jaws aren't squared
Titan,how do you compare Dmu vs Haas? Which manufacturer you like? Can you tell us about weak points dmu have?Did you notice some?
I love both... for different reasons.
They both have their place
ksg vice aplicabile for any cnc table ? or the machin must be 5 axis ?
Hey titan, I met you at imts. I pound aluminum all day with plus minus.005. Will it be easy to learn accuracy by doing it or will I need to learn from other places. Like how vice pressure effects a bore that’s plus or minus .0003.
Something doesn't add up in the math. For some reason I think it is 4.0 KN per Meter or 274 pound per foot. Looking at titan if he is 200 lbs with a 2 feet bar to the center he had to put just a little less then half of his weight onto the end of the handle.
He confused it by saying foot pounds, it's not, it's a clamping force not a torque.
Have to get this kind of setup for my vintage 2004 Haas VF4, that is “smooth”👍😀.
“2004 vintage”?!??! We still uses cnc from 1987!!
We use the older dmc 200 FD. Is this a similar machine?
Can you share the part numbers for these vices, pallets, etc? I'm going to look into them for some of our needs
Just go to Schunk .com and look under vises
Metric System makes more sense as imperial system
Millimeters better then Inches
Very Impressive! Didn't see in the video but I would think they have some type of cover for the male connector that must be in place during the machining process to keep the contaminants out of your system.
Merry Christmas to you and yours and here is wishing you a prosperous New Year.
John
Yes, I just didn’t show it.
Also... Merry Christmas
Hai tiatan iam having a prblm with roatary axis which is mounted on vmc bed...
When doing drilling at required co ordinate position for the frst component its k..but when its rotating 180 dgree and done the drilling the hole to hole co axility is nt coming will u suggest anything to solve this issue..
DMU50 has 661lb max table load, how much does that system with the vises weigh?
Hello have you tested Langtechnik?
Do you have to clock the vise on the fixture is does this mean you don't have to
Have U ever used MasterCam9 Software?
How much is this Schunk clamping system cost ?
Best feature of DMG-Mori's? Controller boots SE_Linux no more Micrsoft crap under the hood. GUY is powered by Python. You'll scrap your machine before you have OS issues. A real OS for real programmers and real machines. Hey Roeders, take a hint.
The wooden work table must be very strong enough to carry that amount of weight, right?
where can i find one of those?
i see all yours videos and i can not see the brand…...
From HUOT
Dude's got a heart of Ti6Al4V
Thanks
your preference Capto or Hsk?
Which is powerfull Cad cam software mastercam or Nx
Titan look into Bluco modular fixtures. They can make you a custom table for multiple setups with your schunk equipment.
I am disappointed with DMG, I bought the NLX2500/700 Lathe, the conversational control (MAPPS) is terrible. Is this the same? Shopturn is now available, I ordered just before it was available. CELOS is not finished, the job scheduler just does not work correctly, anyone else had same issues?
This workholding is very good, but expensive and stacking vice jaws I would think will make it far less stable than attaching to the bed?
Good work though Titan, love what you do.
Will you be at Open House in Pfronten of DMG Mori?
No :-(
@@TITANSofCNC oh no :( wish you a merry christmas :) im onyl 20min away from Pfronten, and i work for DMG MORI Austria ;)
Hey Brother! Why not hold the vise by the handle? what is the reason for that? Thanks man!!
them vices got some gravity to them
could you please give me the post-processor of dmu50 siemens control for the power mill 2020
Hey Titan, awesome DMG!
I wanted to ask if you have an advice on how to get low volume contracts to start my machining journey (to start of with hobby tools btw:D ) that would really help me a lot.
First of all, love your show. I have worked in a machine shop for almost 20 years - PTooling Inc. We have a TH-cam channel too... check it out if you have time. We have been interviewed in Cutting Tool Engineering and even are showcased in the DMG MORI catalogue for the Lasertec 65. We primarily ran Mori Seikis and even had the privilege of working with the Lasertec 65. Sad news, the shop has nearly closed and my dad is still fighting to keep it alive. Times can get tough in this field to say the least. If you are ever in southern Ontario and can visit my pops to give him encouragement I would be most grateful. Also, I just wanted to give a shoutout to Mori Seiki machinery. Rock solid machines, accurate, amazing, jaw dropping, cuts aeons off cycle times. Anyways, all the best!
Надеюсь станок в Ульяновске собран-Бум-Бум)))
need help !!
i crach my spindle vmc mill when i run machine zero. that hit with rotary 4th axis. what should i do for checking it?
Feels like I'm in a gym and trainer yelling at me because I missed a couple training past week...
Trying to inspire you to Greatness:-) lol
B smooth BOOM 🤙 like ur lingo man !!!
Shout out to Geoff 👍🏻
Doesn't the dmu have air through the table so you dont have to manually hook up that hose?
@@machinist5506 you couldnt leave a hose connected to the table while it's doing all kinds of 5 axis moves.
Boom!
OK.. talking about being perfect... I want to perfect my setup sheets. do you offer word, or editable PDF of your setupsheets? All the setup sheets are not editable on the acadamey
You can copy it into your own document
Super ..
How much Z height are you losing?
Dope
i think its over weight for 5 axis movement on C or B
Not at All...
Did you see my 700 pound Chess Board Set Up on the Haas?
The drive mechanics on these 3rd gen DMUs are insane. No worms and stuff anymore; they’re extremely robust. Big power and big speed. It does seem a little heavy for heaving in and out though. Our Mori verticals will retract the roof shutter with an M code. Makes getting a chain fall in for heavy stuff a piece of cake. Not sure if the 5 axis machines do this or not.