THE LOST AMIGA CD64 - After the CD32... - A Commodore History Documentary
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In today's video Lady Decade covers the history of what could have been the Amiga CD64. Join me as I look at the dying days of Commodore and the plans that the company had going forward prior to their untimely demise. ( Also, yes I am aware that is not a CD64 in the thumbnail, but the CD Ad on looks eye catching, am I right! )
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This thing makes the 3DO look good and that's not easy
LOL yuck that guy looks like Ron Jeremy
nice video as per but please don't do a brummy accent again . please please.
A friend of mine a retired BBC Sound Engineer had a slew of Amiga's in his studio as nothing at the time PC wise without vast fortunes spent could keep up with the Amiga's video and sound editing capability and some very high end BBC stuff was done on his machines as he used one particular one to blend in rendered graphics onto a green screen which then the studio team could create some stunning overlays at the office. He also produced country style music scores for American studios and he would record everything using his Amiga hooked up to some serious sound kit. I very nearly bought a CD32 myself but I didn't get on with Amiga's being a dyed in the wool PC chap and after finding the Atari ST disappointing I didn't want to risk again further disappointment. For me I liked me consoles all NES'y and SNES'y with maybe a hint or two of Mega Drive :D
Let's not forget the part the Amiga played in creating the CGI for the Babylon 5 TV series as well
I think you forgot to mention that the console was also used by big credit union in Vancouver, they rented these to customers via a monthly subscription service which allowed customers to access a homebaking service called VanCity Direct. It was essentially a CD32 console with an external modem module which clipped onto the left side of the console via the CD32 Aux port. The modem module also had inferred capabilities which supported a wireless remote control so it could seemlessly sit under the TV and be controled without the original joypad. The remote also allowed you to control the CD32 in normal operations which made it useful for changing tracks on audio CD's and Video CD's if the FMV module was installed.
Every time I have to use windows I miss my Amigas. As soon as I switched, all the excitement and creativity computers coaxed from me ceased and they became these characterless work machines.
Same here, which is why I ended up using Linux full time (including every job) since 2003. It had the community aspect I found closer to the Amiga than Windows
Just finished watching the Zelda one and now I have this one. Thank you Lady Decade!
Unfortunately, the lawsuit that you cite wasn't the only thing that killed Commodore, rather it was one of many nails in the coffin. The coffin, itself, was the inept leadership of people like Mehdi Ali...
It still breaks my heart thinking of Commodore's bankruptcy. 💔
if it had some decent managment like David Pleasance then Commodore might still be around today
@@davidhogben1455 Imagine having a Commodore Amiga Smartphone 😉
@@d_vibe-swe Having Amiga around today in a modern state, would trash even Apple
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I am a newcomer to your channel, I watched some of your videos and I really love you're "Lost games/consoles" videos
Keep up the good work !! Greetings from Belgium in Europe !! ^^
So many what ifs with the Amiga. Still my favourite set of machines, but the miss management of the company was painful.
Fantastic to see so much spotlight given to Commodore's console here. The timeline of what could have been and what would have needed to occur for Commodore not to collapse is to me as fascinating to ponder as with Sega. Fantastic coverage with plenty of jokes and new info I had not heard about such as the Hombre chip.
Brilliant as always!
Keep up the good work lass and stay safe!
Great overview! What could have been eh? Thanks for the shoutout for my podcast too, Haynie is a legend! :)
No worries!
Any Amiga content is always appreciated!
Really enjoyed this video. Keep up the great work x
Great video! Many thanks!
Thanks for another awesome video Lady Decade.
Great video! Love the channel, your videos are informative and entertaining.
Cleavage is a big help too
Love the topics of this channel. The CD32 is one of my top console wishlist systems.
It is interesting how Commodore did not realize they are really competing with Nintendo.
Both Nintendo and Sony (and Sega to a lesser extent) Even if the lawsuit didn't kill Commodore, the CD32 and whatever came after would have been destroyed by the PS1.
Very interesting! I enjoy your videos immensely!
My mate had cd32.......the amiga development and research was done under ataris employment,when tramiel bought atari the amiga team left and the tryed their luck with commodore and things went from there ,the amiga almost had an atari logo on the technology
Just recently discovered this channel, awesome content!! Keep it up!
Great content as always lady decade.
The Amiga using a risc chip seems most interesting to me considering how the whole world is moving that way now
When amiga got it right and then it died due to the cdtv and cd32.
You cover the most interesting of topics in gaming. Brava mate.
From what I can see in online discussions by engineers, the A500's custom chipsets could have been more powerful, and the AGA was just a rush job. Again, easily made better.
Also a better chipset was being developed around 1989\90 but was canned, as far as I recall.
My takeaway from this is that the Amiga should have led the way in graphics substantially until the mid-nineties, giving the company some chance to stay a niche maker.
There were two projects let by different teams with regards to a "super Denise" chip, both of which were just minor hack jobs. The first got canned and the second went on to be the lackluster ECS chipset. Once ECS was done, they once again started a hack job to get AGA out the door, which really only attempted to improve the video chip and left the rest of the machine to languish. Hedley Davis (project manager of the A3000) stated that at the time, Commodore was only really moving transistors around and put no effort into new architecture, layout, or die shrinks. It's sad to think that the 8-bit C65 was in many ways more powerful than the current 16-bit Amiga at the time.
They were betting the farm on AAA, and that was a mistake. AAA was in development hell for 5 years, included everything and the kitchen sink, and was way too ambitious and expensive (a total of 9 chips in the 64-bit configuration, if you include the 3 CIA timers). Hombre was the way to go, but that decision was made too late.
Since the Amiga was primarily a gaming system for most users, being niche would not cut it, as game companies develop for the most common systems or console market first. The PC was simply too big of a contender to leave any room, even for a better Amiga. And Apple had the professional market.
Serious research went into this, cool video.
I don’t understand why engineers in Commodore thought to build their own RISC chip. The future of the 680xx series CPUs was already known: Power PC, a collaboration of IBM, Apple and Motorola. Commodore should have boarded the same train.
I love these vids, her style is awesome.
your game room looks so fun id jump around like a 5 year old on christmas if I had this room
Thanks for another entertaining video 🙂
Top vid again !
Hey Lady, this video has caused quite a stir on a post in the Facebook commodore Amiga group! Members getting into different facts and information on the history (scrapped CD64 plans VS a CD1200 prototype.) Some have questioned the validity of the CD64 altogether, and others have criticized and praised this video, same with your research and narration style, hahaha, it's funny to see them squirm. Commodore people are generally fanatics. Thanks for yet another cool video.
The timeline for these projects matters a lot. Acutiator was an early project and had already been abandoned along with the AAA chipset, since it was obsoleted by the then-new PCI spec. Hombre was designed right from the beginning with full PCI support. As far as my own research tells me, there was never an official CD64 project, just speculation on what kind of system could be built with Hombre (several different machines were proposed in the Hombre presentation papers, including video cards for low-end HP workstations).
But, hey, it's fun to think of what could have been. I've been playing with the source code of WinUAE and developing an alternate ECS chipset with double-CAS and chunky pixel support. It's fun to think of what you could accomplish (and how compatibility breaks) if you really push the architecture to its limits.
So sad to see one of America's best computer companies collapse through terrible mismanagement. The competition it (and Atari) could have provided to the industry could have pushed technology years ahead of where it is today.
I tell you what Lady i played a few different commodore machines like C64, Amiga 1020 even played few times even on commodore 32 cd player but didn't know about 64 they were good machines for there time, and you dig up some interesting facts once again that I didn't know keep up the good detective work 👍. Can't wait for your next up load.
"For the masses, not the classes" has been stuck in my head for a couple weeks now.
What's the classes? Apple pippin?
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"and the entity simply continued business as normal" - but that was business as normal for Commodore lol. A technology company which wouldn't let its engineers design and make things.
Actually, the problem was that the engineers were allowed to do whatever they wanted with AAA with almost no oversight. They ended up making a huge, complex monster that couldn't be finished on schedule or cost-reduced over time. That was actually the same mistake as the west-coast Amiga engineers working on their VRAM-based Ranger chipset, which was also way too expensive.
Engineers are artists making machines. If you don't keep them on a tight leash and enforce deadlines, they will design forever and never release anything.
@@Waccoon I'm going on what I've picked up from Hynie and Miner interviews but your perspective is another way of looking at the problem and they can both run in parallel.
I guess Commodore needed a Steve Jobs character to bring everyone under a single vision
I prefer the alternate reality in my head where Commodore never went bankrupt..... I was thoroughly disappointed when I didn't see one in the parallel reality in the Fringe TV Show, especially when they went to see Nimoy in the still existing Twin Towers. I prefer that reality so much so I tried to make it a reality by partnering to create Commodore USA, LLC (and co-created the Commodore C64x), which you keep showing the premises of in your videos BTW. I think I may even have taken that photo. You know, the one with the car in front of the cream building with the Commodore logo. You can use it, it's fine. I just find it funny.
Excellent trip down memory lane as always! I'm off to listen to the music from
the last ninja 🤘
Hei, from Brazil here , i love you work!🥰
I bought my brother a NEC turbo graphics turbo duo in for Christmas 1993 it had a CD ROM and a 16 bit cartridges it came with several games and I bought him several more he played it for a long time then he put it away for over 25 years about a year ago he took it out and it worked like it did in 1993
Good sibling you are to get him that, as that machine is brilliant.
@@virtuafighter3 he is my youngest brother he was 13 and I was 25 at the time he is way younger than the rest of us kids so we would buy him all the stuff we didn't get as kids he is now 41 a CPA and has 3 computer degrees his accounting business has about 2000 accounts and he does books for people all over the world
I wasn't even aware Commodore/Amiga had entered the home gaming console market. Fascinating.
They had a couple of attempts. The CD32 and a consolized C64. They failed miserably.
@@fattiger6957 I watched the previous video on the CD32 after watching this one, where she mentions the C64 console, and I realized that I was wrong because I had seen it before (probably in an 8-Bit Guy video).
They were better off going to the home console market with the hombre chipset (cd64)
It's always fun to think what might have been. As a games console an Amiga 64 would have struggled to make inroads even if Commodore didn't have that lawsuit to contend with.
Back in the early 90s gaming was evolving rapidly and even if a Amiga 64 CD had better hardware the a PS1 or Sega Saturn Commodore didn't have good enough publishers who could really take advantage of the hardware. Sega and Nintendo had all those established IP's to draw from (plus Sega's arcade lineup) and all the best game developers at that time were Japanese who worked for Sony, Sega and Nintendo.
A realistic and best outcome for such a console would be 4th place behind the Saturn imo beating out that other crap that was around at that time (Philips CD-i, 3DO and Atari Jaguar).
I really wanted an amiga 32.... Shame it didnt last, i had amiga 500 and loved it.
Hi, another interresting vidéo. Thanks. Will you do a video on Philips cd-i ? Thanks from France. 😊
That billboard outside of Sega was on another level tho lol
David Pleasance has told some amusing stories of his encounters with Sega representatives. 8)
I was just talking to somebody the other day about Big Boss Man at Big Shows Dads funeral, what a classic.
Thank you, you are really good at finding strange intresting things but how many do you have left?
Great videos do you know how to connect amiga32 to new tv? That would be a great help thank you :-)
Awesome WWF clip From the Big Shows Dad's funeral. Attitude Era!
Tim Jenison owner of NewTek tried to buy up the stock of CD32's during the bankruptcy hearing. At the time I actually got a Video Toaster running on one with a weird bit of hacks and he was considering trying to use them to make Video Toaster boxes. In the past NewTek tried to make an Amiga on a PC card so you could install a full Amiga and toaster complete into a intel PC. I have a few prototype boards in my collection.
No Way! Can I ask a MAJOR MAJOR Favor if you still in contact with him? To release the Source Code for Elan Performer and Invision software, so that someone can add AGA and RTG and sound capabilities to that software including Vampire card and RaspberryPi Zero as a Gfx card support to make it a full fledged up to date VJ software. I used to be a VJ at a club and used Elan Performer on a CD32 with a DCTV (with RGB adaptor) to do live Visuals to the beat of the music and also transitions smoothly into SCALA MM400 to add to the mix. Had 128mb RAM and an SX32 Pro board 68030 with FPU 50mhz unit inside the CD32....what an awesome piece of kit.
I seem to remember the next system was supposed to be the Loki, that may have been Sinclair.
There was a sequel? The nerd should look Into this.
the nerd is the less adapt person to review european console or pc or computers and should just stick to usa consoles, like his c64 videos showed us
Yeah, I can imagine him saying something like "double the turd for half the price".
@@Zontar82 it's all in fun. Your comment would make more sense if he was doing documentary style like Ms. Decade or Top Hat, but he's poking fun at all the old stuff.
@@stevemelo touche
Mustaches aren't the same now a days.
Thank you for the quality videos
where's the end of the video's music from ???? thanks!
Awesome liji
Un buon video,brava
Oh wow.. what a random place to be reminded of the Commodore International on Nutthall road.. it was the East Midlands premiere nightclub you know.. well, that's what they claimed in the Evening Post when they decided to knock it down.. became a Sainsburys Local though, not a Morrisons 😂
Yes that some nice recommendation well done TH-cam algorithm.
And thank You lady Decade.
Here's me thinking I knew all about my CD32. Wow.
Fantastico!!! Bello
so basically Amiga Jaguar
I couldnt wait to get my cd32 when it released i loved it then and still do today it just never got the chance it deserved
Project reality, hmm N64 designed by SGI. SGI had the Reality Engine which ran on massive machines, I have experienced it at SGI back in 98, a real time tendered zoom in of the earth up to “microscopic level” at which point it ends with the N64, the speed that thing rendered at was impressive.
Nice "masses not the classes" throwback reference. I like when you use that accent lol
hey great content as always, are you going to pick up the A500 mini when it comes out in early 2022? I cant wait to get one and relive my child hood favourite games.
@@jurassicmatt2796 the same company that did the c64 mini is doing an a500 there's video's on yt about it, I have one pre-order on Amazon
Nice another video
I've held the prototype in Leicester Computer Museum, we also covered the story years ago with Andy there too.
The video is here:
th-cam.com/video/MDqPPtzksjY/w-d-xo.html
Enjoy! 🤟😎🤟
Hi I live in France and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen CD32s used in driving schools here as well in the late 90s
I think Amiga was done for after the AGA chipset proved not to be enough of a leap forward to compete with the growing PC market. It just wasn't a bang for your buck like Amiga 500 was, so not enough people upgraded to keep Amiga going long enough for it to really put up a fight in the console world.
It was a number of things. In the U.S. we never got the CD32 (as LadyDecade stated), and Amigas were mostly used for 2d and 3d animation and video production over here. In that arena the AGA chipset could've held its own for a bit longer. I had A1200 (still do), and a friend had an Amiga 2000 with Newtek's Video Toaster, later getting the A4000 for the same task.
We never really got AGA specific games, (why would they bother when the A500 was the predominant Amiga for gamers).
I had a few Amiga games, but I was mainly using DeluxePaint IV, Caligari 24, Imagine 3D, Real 3D and other graphics/animation programs...
With the momentum the DOS/Windows PC was getting in the 90s, I can't see Amiga competing in anything more than their niche of video production.
@@fattiger6957 It wasn't that niche at the time, They were being used to produce TV and movie graphics. The sci fi series Babylon 5 initially used Amigas with Newtek's Lightwave and Video Toaster to produce the CGI.
They switch to PC though because Amiga went under, and the PCs were much faster with the Pentium. So yeah even that niche went away for the Amiga.
@@lazarushernandez5827 I mean niche in the overall landscape of computers. Amigas were popular for production, but the PC took over the consumer space in the 90s.
@@fattiger6957 agreed.
Just like the add use to say "Are you keeping up with The Commodore, as the Commodore is keeping up with you
64bit Arc would of been Magic
If the cd32 is an expensive console to get today, I can imagine how much an arcade made with the cd32 would cost.
I wonder if there's still any around.
I have 1, the future of gaming the man said in the shop.
" the way of good manners" ha ha so true
Seems to be some naming confusion. AGA is a name for the existing late Amiga graphics system present in Amiga 1200 and 4000. What's being discussed here seems to be something new.
If commodore were around today at their rate of innovation the PC and APPLE would both be dead.
Looking classy Lady Decade
Jack Tramiel left Commodore before they bought Amiga...
Its been talked to death but I'd love to know what LD could add to the Polybius mythology.
I don't know? Would i have wanted a 3D Amiga? No is probably my best answer.
I wish amiga would've sell the hombre64 chipset to a computer graphics and arcade companies.
Ah yes, the Floppy Drive for the CD32 was Wall Street Institute badged.
In terms of a "Where are they now?" fate being a slot machine is much more glamorous than what happened to the Atrai Jaguar.
At least they're not coffee machines (3DO M2)
I love the fact that the original Jaguar plastic molds were used to manufacture dental equipment. Talk about losing your fangs.
@@Waccoon HA! I never thought of that! 😆
Great tune in the beginning of the video. Wiich game is it from? Crazy Cars?
Puzznic!
@@LadyDecade Ah yes, Puzznic! thx.
I see Tim Follin made it.
Tim Follin one of the best Amiga musicians!
I want a CD 32 I’m that interested in one 😲
1:38 - What was the name of this Zelda clone?
I keep saying “ for the masses! Not the classes!”
You should review the Dr. V64 add on for the N64.
I'm gonna stop you right there. There was no 64-bit 68k processor, and I don't think there was a 64-bit PowerPC processor until 1997.
The story of the CD64! 😂😂😂. Was I the only one that heard that?
there where so many damn video game units around it was hard to compete with nintendo & sega during the 90's
Still waiting for the Amstrad GX4000 video.
Ah what could have been.
I saw the Metroid video you did. I was wondering if you played the Metroid clone that was Turrican. I remember playing this when I was about twelve on an a1200 Amiga. It was actually a good game
Metroid clone? Turrican was on A500 already and was absolute dynamite!
IEYE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT EVEN EXISTED ☹️😭👑🔺💎
It sounds like the hombre would have suffered from lazy developers. Leaving a Motorola 68000 chip in the system for backwards compatibility would have seen alot of developers porting crappy games onto the system. This is what happened to the Atari Jaguar. Atari left the 6800 chip in as a controller for the Tom and Jerry chips. Unfortunately, lazy developers just used the Motorola chip and didn't even bother to utilize the Tom and Jerry chip. Hence why the Jaguar had such poor games, alot of them ports.
Please do a Infinium Phantom console video 😩
Thanks for producing Amiga content. However, most of the footage in this video appears to just be a random selection of Amiga games and commercials, with little connection to the actual topic.
6:23: What is this 3D driving game? It looks awesome...
Geoff Crammonds Formula One it was released for the A500
@@jackburton8352 Thanks!! First glimpse at the graphics, it looks great. I hope I can find it online.
The Amiga was stalling in its tech in the early 90s anyhow. Its was a system doomed to die off, and get replaced by the PC for gaming. I remember being jealous of the VGA cards in PCs back then already, when owning a new A 1200
@Neb6 Scrolling was only really relevant to sidescrolling games anyways. Mostly due to the specific Amiga Blitter chip. The early 3D PC games looked better on VGA than contemporary Amiga versions. Red Baron 3D was such an example.
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