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@@123dan165 why ? kobe is for him is the nine best player of all time and shaq at worst is a top 15 player of all time with at least shaq having top 5 peak and kobe a top 8 peak and all the guys he mentioned in the suporting cast how this team cannot have a claim as the goat team ?
@@JoaoVictor-mw8ln Kobe is better than Duncan magic bird bill Russel and wilt Chamberlain he defo has a case. This guy is wrong imo. Remember it's my opinion.
@@JoaoVictor-mw8ln definitely Russell. not even Jordan or Kobe had more of a will to win than that man. and I guess his 11 NBA & 2 NCAA championships reflect that.
@@alexhennigh5242 funny he would be, but if you actually break down the numbers Kobe should not (for clutch anyway) he has more clutch shots made, but his percentage in making those shots are pretty low. If I remember correctly in terms of buzzer beater shots Kobe was like 25% which was really low compared to other greats in clutch situations... was he afraid to take them? Nope... did he always make them.... nope definitely not... numbers don’t lie...
Right. And Superman and Batman, they are not always best friends too. Yet when it comes to safe the earth, the two superheroes work like magic. Superman was born with the power. He doesn't have to train nor think as hard as Batman. Batman is a super strong man, yet he is just human. He needs to train hard, think hard, prepare everything perfectly to be one of the best superheroes among god like aliens or meta humans.
i love the core 5 of the 2001 lakers fox horry kobe shaq fisher but the rest of that roster would have to be added to aka with a few more shooters and a couple real modern starters to even compete in today's nba...the entire bench would have to be redone with maybe lue shaw harper and grant being your 9-12 madsen and george being your 13-14th men have rider as a 15th man maybe keeping penberthy as a 16th man and both horry and fox would have to be on the bench...you need to add like a cameron johnson jae crowder frank kaminsky and either a bogdan bogdanovic or deandre hunter to make that roster work today and maybe all 5 of them if you want a title...not kidding...they would get killed today by good teams
@@razkable LMAO. Today's teams would be eaten alive by PRIME Shaquille O'Neal. Kobe - the man EVERY damn player in today's league looked up to - would also DOMINATE this non-defense-playing, spaced-out version of basketball we see today. And then the rest of the roster of all-time 3&D masters in Fox, Horry, and Shaw along with still athletic, rebounder Horace Grant with his automatic 20 ft J. Nah dawg, the 2001 Lakers would do just fine in today's NBA.
in all seriousness, this guy's content is insanely good! Is there any content-creation award or competition where you can vote for him? This work definitely deserves more views and recognition imho
@@mathieuL2204 Yeah lately there's been a few really great nba channels including this one^...Jxyhighroller, Jonny Arnett, Thinking Basketball just to name a few.
Exactly and if they had that Conference trophies back then, he'd won it in 2001 and 2002. People really think Kobe was carried...Shaq dominated in finals cause East never had a big man threat
i really wish the “situation” had never happened between shaq and kobe. that ruined their chemistry and in turn, the team. it would’ve been fun to see them play together for as long as possible
@@evanw7878 lmao that’s cap, the bulls finals were the most watched finals of all time and the warriors cavs finals were the most watched since the bulls dynasty. People love dynasties
A dream scenario for any basketball fan would be seeing Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan both in their prime, on the same team. Kobe and Shaq were very, very nearly that! What a privilege it was to witness!
Kobes western conference playoff run this year while sharing the ball with Shaq at 22 is unreal. Outscored him threw the western conference playoffs 31.1ppg to 29.1ppg on 49% shooting. Carried though.
@@evokanq35 but Shaq still won another championship after he moved on to the Heat. He was getting old but he still had about 5 productive years left, he and kobe could've easily won at least 1 or 2 championships together.
@@calebangell77 Not true. The main reason why Shaq left is because he wanted more money than he was worth. So if the lakers kept shaq, they would have had 0 depth. And shaq also got injured a lot. So I don't think that the lakers would have won more chips if shaq stayed in la.
@@calebangell77 Let me make it very clear, Dwayne Wade had a carry job in the 2006 run and Shaq had 13 and 13 which is still valuable but his scoring and defense were way down and he was not close to as productive
Having lived in Los Angeles during those years I have to thank you for this video. SO many memories brought back. So many great games. I miss this team and I miss those great times.
Wow... First time ever I see someone recognizing Derek Fisher as the stabilizer of Kobe and Shaq. I just realized it after you said it. Thanks for the great video
Got to say I was (am) a huge raptors fan. We lost to AI and the 76ers in game 7 in 2001 on a final shot. All I remember was thinking was, “man I wish we could have gone to the finals, and then got swept by the Lakers.” This team in my opinion was the easiest to predict victory of any team in history. Shaq was superhuman, Kobe was so talented. I literally think even if one of them was injured they would have still been the favourites. I hate them, but they were good
I hope you can read your comment and see the discrepancies in it. How can a team you feel be one of the greatest teams ever if they were underrated? The 2001 Lakers were never viewed as underrated and other teams such as the 2017 Golden State Warriors were clearly viewed as the best team. So how can a team that didn’t dominate until the Finals in 2014 be considered one of the greatest teams ever?
@@malachithenurse3252 The Spurs weren’t underrated because they sucked, they were underrated for having non flashy players. Manu and Duncan were both very basic players but very efficient.(aside from the Euro step) That basic style causes them to dominate the west, but flashiness stands out.
Can always trust Clayton to come in with a quality video full of thoughtful analysis and riveting narratives. So glad you're starting a new series, can't wait to watch whats next and see this channel continue to grow.
Man, was I WAITING FOR THIS. Absolutely phenomenal as always. Prime Shaq was probably the GOAT and that team had such a great narrative and all-around functioning. Simply spectacular.
Low upload frequency, and generally short upload history. He isn't in the general basketball youtube consensus and despite making the type of content that's liked by the algorithim he isn't uploading in the way that the algorithim rewards.
I'll be honest. The theme song for your G.O.A.T. series made it iconic. Like, the music starts playing and you start the spiel, and I'm so in. I've accidentally rewatched like half the videos from your original series because I was so drawn in. It was a perfect intro. The intro for this one doesn't quite grab me the same way unfortunately. Just shows how effective the little things are! Regardless, another awesome video (aside from the intro music, which wasn't bad, just not iconic) with in depth opinion and analysis. I'm so happy you exist!
Clayton, I hope you include chipless teams, like the 04 suns, 16 Warriors although you may do 17, 93 suns and 07 mavs, my argument is realistically that the 07’ patriots are known as the best team of modern nfl history and my giants beat them, a championship isn’t the final signifier of greatness, with the 04 suns, they had so many great players and concepts it would be a shame to watch it go unseen.
The difference between football and basketball is that in football you only play one game. And anyone can loose one game. But to beat a great team in a 7 game series is another thing. Imagine if the finals was one game then Iverson would of won a chip
@@The_Royal_Lobster Well, the 16 Cabs beat the 16 Warriors and I think the Warriors were so much better. I don’t believe there are many objective points to argue the opposite. The 02 Lakers weren’t better then the 02 Kings. The 89 Bulls weren’t better then the 89 Cavs. The 01 Sixers weren’t better then the 01 Bucks. The 06 Heat weren’t better then the 06 Mavs. All of course in my opinion. But you get the point.
Your “making the case”videos are outstanding! Such high quality across the board. Footage/ editing/ narration is all solid. 04 pistons are near and dear, and I believe they have a case for being one of the best. Jordan had to go through the bad boys. And lebron had to go through the goin to work pistons. Thx
I realize you can’t address everything in one video. But I would have been interested to hear how you decided Shaq and Kobe is a more formidable duo than Magic and Kareem.
I know your wondering Clayton's specific thoughts on it, but if I may chime in. I think one reason could be that Kareem was a bit older by the time he played with Magic. He was still a dominant player, but he was 32 by the time Magic was drafted. His prime was in the 70's in Milwaukie and those first years with the Lakers. Kobe and Shaq just played more of their prime years together.
@@MineShackle Kareem and magic had Wilkes worthy mcadoo Cooper norm Nixon Byron Scott i know Kareem was older but he was still a top 5 ish player for most of the 80s
I'd just listen to Lakers legends like Magic & Kareem themselves... They straight up claim this duo to be the greatest, & many like Magic will flat out say Kobe is the best Lakers player ever, despite their plethora of all time greats.
And Big Game James and Coop and Byron Scott. That 1987 Lakers team was the best team in NBA history, and they faced a more worthy adversary in the great 80s Celtics than any team Kobe and Shaq played against. Their biggest obstacle was actually the Spurs in the West, (as well as Sacramento for a couple of years) more than any Eastern Finals opponent.
@@290TheEmpireRecords because this is Shaq and Kobe, obviously they’d be better that LeBron and Dwayne Wade. Shaq’s a beast and Kobe is MJ reincarnate.
Commenting before watching the video. Can we all just show some love for the absolutely baller that is Clayton Crowley? I've never seen a community so so hyped to see a creator's content. All love man, keep it up!!
Kobe was otherworldly in that 48 point game against the Kings. But somehow, he was even better in the first game against the Spurs. That game alone has numerous all-time Kobe highlights.
Fisher hit 15 of 20 3 point shots in a four game sweep 🧹 of San Antonio in the 2001 Western Conference Finals for 75 percent! That record will never be broken!
In no particular order, these are the teams that should get a “making the case” video 01 Lakers 86 Celtics 96 Bulls 17 Warriors 14 Spurs 83 Sixers 13 Heat 87 Lakers
After seeing the GOAT making the case series I couldn’t be more excited seeing what you have up next Truly the best NBA TH-cam docs I’ve seen. Make the GOAT series into one and it’s easily one of the best docs I’ve seen period
Wow. Great video and again an amazing series, and a nice warm-up for the greatest teams. Aka. 90 Bulls, 60 Celtics, 80 Lakers, Spurs. Lovely smart nba video
You'd have to put every other role player the Lakers had in the hall of fame too. Fisher was extremely clutch but so was Ron Harper, Robert Horry, Rick Fox and even Brian Shaw had his moment against the Blazers when it looked like the Lakers were going to lose.
I've told all my friends about the "making the case G.O.A.T" videos.....now im glad this series is dropping. Keep making top tier videos bro. you the man
No NBA player, Let alone a "superstar" should never, ever, ever put up a hilariously God awful shot like the the one @ 6:02 of this video. Kobe put up his fair share.
@@sdfishinn I know that's a shot he regularly makes just fucked that one up is all. Everybody has taken bad shots even worse than this one before. Everyone, smh.
That Blazer team was falling apart by the time the Lakers swept them 3-0 in the first round. And, the Kings were way better in 2002 with Bibby over White Chocolate at point. They also beat one of the worst Finals teams ever in the 2001 Sixers.
@@jab1289 stop it 5. That blazers team was the same team in 04 minus scottie. That same blazers team from 01 use to pound the lakers in the reg season. Like i said that was a PRIME portland trailblazers team.
@@raviolihands5347 They went 1-2 that year against the Lakers in the regular season. And, they collapsed late that year before they lost to the Lakers in the playoffs.
Really hyped for this series. Suddenly remebered the depth and experience of the bench, the three point shooting, the tenacity of kobe and the power of shaq from 20 years ago!
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After not making the case for Kobe you don't have a right to make a case for the 01 Lakers.
@@123dan165 u capping af
@@roromadethat7097 how Kobe definately has a case for the GOAT
@@123dan165 why ? kobe is for him is the nine best player of all time and shaq at worst is a top 15 player of all time with at least shaq having top 5 peak and kobe a top 8 peak and all the guys he mentioned in the suporting cast how this team cannot have a claim as the goat team ?
@@JoaoVictor-mw8ln Kobe is better than Duncan magic bird bill Russel and wilt Chamberlain he defo has a case. This guy is wrong imo. Remember it's my opinion.
Came with Shaq and Kobe in mind, left with Derek Fisher as the GOAT
Making the case - Derek Fisher when?
I think if he does a Making The Case on the most clutch players he'll be on there. Him, Horry, Bird, Magic, etc.
@@alexhennigh5242 jordan Kobe lebron west kaj and maybe russel
@@JoaoVictor-mw8ln definitely Russell. not even Jordan or Kobe had more of a will to win than that man. and I guess his 11 NBA & 2 NCAA championships reflect that.
@@alexhennigh5242 funny he would be, but if you actually break down the numbers Kobe should not (for clutch anyway) he has more clutch shots made, but his percentage in making those shots are pretty low. If I remember correctly in terms of buzzer beater shots Kobe was like 25% which was really low compared to other greats in clutch situations... was he afraid to take them? Nope... did he always make them.... nope definitely not... numbers don’t lie...
*"Kobe didn't resign to be Robin... Instead, he would be the Batman to Shaq's Superman"*
Love that quote
That is so freaking accurate
The World’s Finest.
I am sorry you are so correct they would be the Justice league of the modern era
Right. And Superman and Batman, they are not always best friends too. Yet when it comes to safe the earth, the two superheroes work like magic.
Superman was born with the power. He doesn't have to train nor think as hard as Batman. Batman is a super strong man, yet he is just human. He needs to train hard, think hard, prepare everything perfectly to be one of the best superheroes among god like aliens or meta humans.
This channel is right up there with Thinking Basketball as some of the highest-quality Basketball content on the internet.
Is it just me or do thinking basketball, clayton, and j kyle from the ringer all sound eerily similar
the NBA storyteller up there too
Greatest peaks from thinking basketball is incredible
Hoop Venue too
Agreed. These guys are what Mixedtapevideos, Mike Korzemba, etc were for me at a time. These guys being the most polished and interesting.
Really spent a year making cases for different GOAT candidates... just to reveal it was Derek Fisher the whole time
i love the core 5 of the 2001 lakers fox horry kobe shaq fisher but the rest of that roster would have to be added to aka with a few more shooters and a couple real modern starters to even compete in today's nba...the entire bench would have to be redone with maybe lue shaw harper and grant being your 9-12 madsen and george being your 13-14th men have rider as a 15th man maybe keeping penberthy as a 16th man and both horry and fox would have to be on the bench...you need to add like a cameron johnson jae crowder frank kaminsky and either a bogdan bogdanovic or deandre hunter to make that roster work today and maybe all 5 of them if you want a title...not kidding...they would get killed today by good teams
@@razkable You’re smoking rocks, all those guys were sharpshooters.
@@razkable L comment the majority of those mfs where crazy from the 3 pt line idk what ur on
@@chitownkidd33 Agreed -- plus I'll take a semi-healthy Ron Harper on any team, in any era.
@@razkable LMAO. Today's teams would be eaten alive by PRIME Shaquille O'Neal. Kobe - the man EVERY damn player in today's league looked up to - would also DOMINATE this non-defense-playing, spaced-out version of basketball we see today. And then the rest of the roster of all-time 3&D masters in Fox, Horry, and Shaw along with still athletic, rebounder Horace Grant with his automatic 20 ft J. Nah dawg, the 2001 Lakers would do just fine in today's NBA.
Alternate title: Making the Case - Derek Fisher
Greatest teammate of all time.
Fisher was carried by Kobe.
@@chrisuncleahmad789 nah it was more like ... idk teamwork??
Robet Horry
@@ImBarryScottCSS maybe he was talking about the Matt Barnes thing lol
"The X-factor of every team he's ever played on - Robert Horry."
I couldn't help but smile and laugh at how true that statement actually is.
I'm just glad he didn't play on the Bulls. Although it feels like he was.
FR thoo... championship teams like rockets, lakers & spurs
He was a stretch four in a league with very few real stretch fours. Teams didn’t appreciate enough the value he brought.
Phil Jackson said in his Book " 11 Rings", that Dereke Fisher was the best Leader he ever coached... and i believe him 🤓❤️🚀
This video confirms it.
I didn't appreciate Derek Fisher until his second stint with L.A.
Awesome, something to look forward to on TH-cam again. Nicely done, Mr Crowley.
6 days ago????
@@esketitty9668 lol that's what I'm saying
My guy has the sharingan
Glitch in matrix ahahaha
check out thinking basketball greatest peaks series still ongoing lebron james episode is out tomorrow 11:30 Am Est
I'm working on a series called Making the Case: Clayton Crowley Greatest TH-camr of All-Time
in all seriousness, this guy's content is insanely good!
Is there any content-creation award or competition where you can vote for him?
This work definitely deserves more views and recognition imho
@@mathieuL2204 Yeah lately there's been a few really great nba channels including this one^...Jxyhighroller, Jonny Arnett, Thinking Basketball just to name a few.
Dude is dope but i'm riding with @Joe Vincent dude is an absolute MONSTER.
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Finally a series to watch on yt, lets fucking goooooo
If you want more basketball series, check out thinking basketball's "greatest peaks" series he's currently putting out
@@ikeblu ive watched all of it thats has come out already haha
Kobe's defense during this play-off run is ridiculously underrated.
I agree at 21 he was already all defense team
Exactly and if they had that Conference trophies back then, he'd won it in 2001 and 2002. People really think Kobe was carried...Shaq dominated in finals cause East never had a big man threat
i really wish the “situation” had never happened between shaq and kobe. that ruined their chemistry and in turn, the team. it would’ve been fun to see them play together for as long as possible
But I think that's also made that time so special and interesting
@@guydagansadot that’s true i definitely agree
No it wouldn’t have been. Nobody likes a dynasty
@@evanw7878 the lakers were fun to watch. that’s what i’m talking about. no need to get pressed😭
@@evanw7878 lmao that’s cap, the bulls finals were the most watched finals of all time and the warriors cavs finals were the most watched since the bulls dynasty. People love dynasties
A dream scenario for any basketball fan would be seeing Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan both in their prime, on the same team. Kobe and Shaq were very, very nearly that! What a privilege it was to witness!
"wouldn't you love to see a team try to play smallball against SHAQ?" That one got me.
I bet that team wouldn't love it at all. LOL
That 15-1 playoff record is their strongest case, just pure dominance.
Reminds me of the warriors. Lost only ONE game.
the 2001 lakers played 4 50- win teams@@eemfunnyasf
with the help of the refs
@ShoeAlmighty yea some teams had to play them 8 on 5
Except the Lakers were undefeated on the road throughout the playoffs! No team has ever achieved that since, not even Jordan, Bird, Magic and Russell.
My boy DFish gettin' some love. There's a reason that as a young basketball fan growing up in England I had and have a Fisher jersey on my wall.
Not into footy eh?
@@youdbesuprised8105 I also have a Gerrard shirt 😉
@@ImBarryScottCSS Stevie G!
Kobes western conference playoff run this year while sharing the ball with Shaq at 22 is unreal. Outscored him threw the western conference playoffs 31.1ppg to 29.1ppg on 49% shooting. Carried though.
Exactly people love saying Kobe was carried yet in the West Kobe usually outperformed them in WCF
The “what ifs” of the kobe-shaq era man...
I think those what if’s are overrated cuz even tho kobe got way better after 2003 Shaq really deteriorated and wasn’t as good
@@evokanq35 but Shaq still won another championship after he moved on to the Heat. He was getting old but he still had about 5 productive years left, he and kobe could've easily won at least 1 or 2 championships together.
@@calebangell77 Not true. The main reason why Shaq left is because he wanted more money than he was worth. So if the lakers kept shaq, they would have had 0 depth. And shaq also got injured a lot. So I don't think that the lakers would have won more chips if shaq stayed in la.
@Tong Zou dumbest take I’ve seen in a while
@@calebangell77 Let me make it very clear, Dwayne Wade had a carry job in the 2006 run and Shaq had 13 and 13 which is still valuable but his scoring and defense were way down and he was not close to as productive
Having lived in Los Angeles during those years I have to thank you for this video. SO many memories brought back. So many great games. I miss this team and I miss those great times.
Memories never die
@@y.serman8810 ever heard of Alzheimer’s disease?
@@kapoon5400 wow really?
Wow... First time ever I see someone recognizing Derek Fisher as the stabilizer of Kobe and Shaq. I just realized it after you said it. Thanks for the great video
I was happy as hell to get Fisher back. Lakers needed the ball out of Kobe’s hand. He’s much better off ball. Not shoot first point guard.
Can't help it, it's 2022 and my heart still breaks over Kobe
Got to say I was (am) a huge raptors fan. We lost to AI and the 76ers in game 7 in 2001 on a final shot. All I remember was thinking was, “man I wish we could have gone to the finals, and then got swept by the Lakers.” This team in my opinion was the easiest to predict victory of any team in history. Shaq was superhuman, Kobe was so talented. I literally think even if one of them was injured they would have still been the favourites. I hate them, but they were good
Yup 88-87
This was the year Shaq was still at his peak and Kobe was finally coming into his own as an elite player. Their feud hadn't really exploded yet.
YES, CLAYTON BACK. ME HAPPY
CLAYTON GOOD.
KORZEMBA BAD.
BASKETBALL YES MUCH SMILE.
cant wait to see the 1997/98 vancouver grizzlies next
What about the pre- Danny Manning Clippers ?? The 1973 76ers??
Lmao
As a casual basketball fan, these videos are fantastic. Theyre really helping me get more involved
I really hope you make a case for the 2014 Spurs, they dominated lebron, wade and Bosh’s heat. They were crazy good and so under rated
As a heat fan, the Spurs scare me.
I hope you can read your comment and see the discrepancies in it. How can a team you feel be one of the greatest teams ever if they were underrated? The 2001 Lakers were never viewed as underrated and other teams such as the 2017 Golden State Warriors were clearly viewed as the best team. So how can a team that didn’t dominate until the Finals in 2014 be considered one of the greatest teams ever?
@@malachithenurse3252 The Spurs weren’t underrated because they sucked, they were underrated for having non flashy players. Manu and Duncan were both very basic players but very efficient.(aside from the Euro step) That basic style causes them to dominate the west, but flashiness stands out.
An 8th seeded Mavs forced them to a Game 7 so they are not one of the GOAT team but still a great team.
@@deedee1533 I think you meant fundamental rather than basic.
This was masterful on all levels, looking forward to the rest of the series.
That intro u did was so good and satisfying, instantly earned my like
It’s finally here, I’ve been waiting for this and I’m super excited
Have been waiting for this series ever since you announced it
Totally worth the wait
Can always trust Clayton to come in with a quality video full of thoughtful analysis and riveting narratives. So glad you're starting a new series, can't wait to watch whats next and see this channel continue to grow.
The return of the king
I was in grade school during the Kobe-Shaq era. As a Laker and Kobe fan, thank you. This team was so underrated and deserves to be mentioned.
Can't wait for the spin off youtube videos years down the line that are Making the Case for GOAT Basketball Content on TH-cam
Man, was I WAITING FOR THIS.
Absolutely phenomenal as always. Prime Shaq was probably the GOAT and that team had such a great narrative and all-around functioning. Simply spectacular.
Super excited for this and the new series!
Quickly becoming my favourite TH-cam basketball channel. Love the attention to detail.
Thanks!
Already watched on patreon, will watch again though, that's how good it is!
I cannot believe this video is at 65k views. It's so polished and well presented. You deserve more views for all your content.
We all know that the warriors of the late 2010s and the Chicago bulls of the 90s are on the list
86 Cs as well
larry birds celtics and showtime lakers as well for sure
He's doing a series on best teams of all time?
Bad boy pistons getting a nod
'14 Spurs
glad to say i'm here from the start of this series compared to the last. looking forward to the next episode and all to come!
I’ve been waiting for this
I love how you approached and made this whole making the case idea! I can’t wait til you reach 100k
You've legitimately become one of my favorite basketball historians.
hell yea I'm glad this dude made a channel
this video was great, i just hope that the 82-83 76ers can finally get the respect that they deserve in a future video in the series
The 87 and 72 laker teams need to be featured fir LA. And outside of the lakers please dont forget the 83 76ers.
I agree the 83 Sixers deserve a mention, Great videos as a late comer to basketball sine th emid 80's I realy enjoyed, the 71 Bucks video
It’s ludacris that Clayton doesn’t have more subscribers, such great content
Haven’t pressed play yet but I know this is gonna be good
The video quality on this channel is unbelievable. Your doing bigger and better things than ESPN who do lame hot takes all day.
This will be weekly now right?
Let’s hope so🤞
Doubt it, the last one was like every 3-4 weeks. They take forever to make but they’re all amazing
@@mrsouthpaw1387 it's not they, it's him.
In @Prajwal's sentence both uses of "they" refer to the videos, not the maker of them.
can't wait for your other 7 videos
How the hell does he not have more subs
Low upload frequency, and generally short upload history. He isn't in the general basketball youtube consensus and despite making the type of content that's liked by the algorithim he isn't uploading in the way that the algorithim rewards.
I'll be honest. The theme song for your G.O.A.T. series made it iconic. Like, the music starts playing and you start the spiel, and I'm so in. I've accidentally rewatched like half the videos from your original series because I was so drawn in. It was a perfect intro.
The intro for this one doesn't quite grab me the same way unfortunately. Just shows how effective the little things are!
Regardless, another awesome video (aside from the intro music, which wasn't bad, just not iconic) with in depth opinion and analysis. I'm so happy you exist!
Really curious to see if the 2017 warriors get a “making the case” video.
They are the greatest team ever, so... yeah
Curious????????????????? They 1000% are getting a video, the team is considered the GOAT team by a large amount of people and they were in the intro.
probably will
@@volt734 ig it’s not guaranteed but it most likely will, makes no sense if it doesnt
Didnt they choke when counted , dont make It. Lol
The GOAT youtube NBA historian. Please keep being humble, doing great videos and putting the same effort.
Clayton, I hope you include chipless teams, like the 04 suns, 16 Warriors although you may do 17, 93 suns and 07 mavs, my argument is realistically that the 07’ patriots are known as the best team of modern nfl history and my giants beat them, a championship isn’t the final signifier of greatness, with the 04 suns, they had so many great players and concepts it would be a shame to watch it go unseen.
But the Cavs won a title in 2016
this is such a good point, but still don't know if I agree with it
The difference between football and basketball is that in football you only play one game. And anyone can loose one game. But to beat a great team in a 7 game series is another thing. Imagine if the finals was one game then Iverson would of won a chip
@@The_Royal_Lobster Well, the 16 Cabs beat the 16 Warriors and I think the Warriors were so much better. I don’t believe there are many objective points to argue the opposite. The 02 Lakers weren’t better then the 02 Kings. The 89 Bulls weren’t better then the 89 Cavs. The 01 Sixers weren’t better then the 01 Bucks. The 06 Heat weren’t better then the 06 Mavs. All of course in my opinion. But you get the point.
I’m stoked you are making these
Well,I wonder how many of his descriptions of the 2016-17 Warriors can be made without repeating this video?
At least all the parts about Shaq can be cut... Unless you modify it a bit to be Kevin Durant...
Your “making the case”videos are outstanding!
Such high quality across the board.
Footage/ editing/ narration is all solid.
04 pistons are near and dear, and I believe they have a case for being one of the best.
Jordan had to go through the bad boys.
And lebron had to go through the goin to work pistons.
Thx
So basically making the case for fisher being the best player of all time😍
Mr. Crowley, superbly done. Your channel is unrivaled in quality. Although no Kobe in the GOAT top 8 convo is perplexing.
Man I wonder, if Kobe and Shaq let their egos go, how good this team could've been.
It wouldn't have been much better. Shaq was on the decline after 03
Imagine if Shaq had Kobe's approach to the game and hunger to improve. Would be the greatest player of all time
They wouldn't have won anything that significant.
shaq could have had a ring in 95-96 if his head was ready
@@Abbad1579 nah
Listening to you talk about basketball is such a beautiful experience.
Rest in peace Kobe Bryant 🏀🕊️🙏🏿 the second greatest shooting guard ever behind Michael Jordan in NBA history
Beautiful birthday present, thank you!
I realize you can’t address everything in one video. But I would have been interested to hear how you decided Shaq and Kobe is a more formidable duo than Magic and Kareem.
Because they beat better teams and were better as a duo than Kareem and Magic
I know your wondering Clayton's specific thoughts on it, but if I may chime in. I think one reason could be that Kareem was a bit older by the time he played with Magic. He was still a dominant player, but he was 32 by the time Magic was drafted. His prime was in the 70's in Milwaukie and those first years with the Lakers. Kobe and Shaq just played more of their prime years together.
@@MineShackle Kareem and magic had Wilkes worthy mcadoo Cooper norm Nixon Byron Scott i know Kareem was older but he was still a top 5 ish player for most of the 80s
I'd just listen to Lakers legends like Magic & Kareem themselves... They straight up claim this duo to be the greatest, & many like Magic will flat out say Kobe is the best Lakers player ever, despite their plethora of all time greats.
And Big Game James and Coop and Byron Scott. That 1987 Lakers team was the best team in NBA history, and they faced a more worthy adversary in the great 80s Celtics than any team Kobe and Shaq played against. Their biggest obstacle was actually the Spurs in the West, (as well as Sacramento for a couple of years) more than any Eastern Finals opponent.
This guys kills it with the basketball content! Love it man!
Awesome, great, amazing, stunning good a lot, very boorish, not bad at all, good to be good, thanks,
Brian Scalabrine is the GOAT.
Imagine the one two of Shaq and the White Mamba 🤯
No puedo creer que este canal no tenga 2M suscriptores. Una injusticia total. Lav u Crowley
Imagine shaq and kobe with the chemistry of bron and dwade. theyd have won damn near every ring of the 2000s
Yet they won more rings together than bronze and wade together
@@290TheEmpireRecords because this is Shaq and Kobe, obviously they’d be better that LeBron and Dwayne Wade. Shaq’s a beast and Kobe is MJ reincarnate.
NOT ONE, NOT TWO, NOT THREE, NOT FOUR, NOT FIVE, NOT SIX, NOT SEVEN!! Lmao
@@resurrectedpa I mean I would take it. They would have feasibly won at least 4 (chemistry is the main reason they fell to the Pistons in 2004)
@@khaitranngoc4176 exactly!! They were crazy good.
Commenting before watching the video. Can we all just show some love for the absolutely baller that is Clayton Crowley? I've never seen a community so so hyped to see a creator's content. All love man, keep it up!!
Kobe was otherworldly in that 48 point game against the Kings. But somehow, he was even better in the first game against the Spurs. That game alone has numerous all-time Kobe highlights.
Fisher hit 15 of 20 3 point shots in a four game sweep 🧹 of San Antonio in the 2001 Western Conference Finals for 75 percent! That record will never be broken!
True that! It will be a sure record for a test of time.
In no particular order, these are the teams that should get a “making the case” video
01 Lakers
86 Celtics
96 Bulls
17 Warriors
14 Spurs
83 Sixers
13 Heat
87 Lakers
I think he's gonna go with a 2000's spurs team
@@tObito687 I agree. Also the 72 bucks were in the intro, so they could be in the conversation
Literally came here to guess which Spurs team gets a nod. My guess is 2014 but it's not a given.
'11 Mavs.
14 Spurs? 2007 Spurs were way better
After seeing the GOAT making the case series I couldn’t be more excited seeing what you have up next
Truly the best NBA TH-cam docs I’ve seen. Make the GOAT series into one and it’s easily one of the best docs I’ve seen period
Making the case: Shaq and Kobe as the greatest duo ever
Great job in putting together this video. From a historical standpoint, it's a fine piece.
kareem-magic, jordan-pippen, shaq-kobe my top 3
ridiculous not to have curry kd klay they were better than those 3 🤡✌
Wow. Great video and again an amazing series, and a nice warm-up for the greatest teams. Aka. 90 Bulls, 60 Celtics, 80 Lakers, Spurs.
Lovely smart nba video
I always thought D fish had a case for the hall of fame (I know it sounds crazy!) lol
You'd have to put every other role player the Lakers had in the hall of fame too. Fisher was extremely clutch but so was Ron Harper, Robert Horry, Rick Fox and even Brian Shaw had his moment against the Blazers when it looked like the Lakers were going to lose.
any player that averages less than 10 points for their career isn't a hall of famer 🤡✌
I've told all my friends about the "making the case G.O.A.T" videos.....now im glad this series is dropping. Keep making top tier videos bro. you the man
No NBA player, Let alone a "superstar" should never, ever, ever put up a hilariously God awful shot like the the one @ 6:02 of this video. Kobe put up his fair share.
@@sdfishinn I know that's a shot he regularly makes just fucked that one up is all. Everybody has taken bad shots even worse than this one before. Everyone, smh.
Another masterpiece from Clayton.... nothing more to say, just open your hears.
Shaq undisputedly had the highest peak of anyone in NBA history
Jordan maybe?
Meanwhile Wilt was almost doubling his scoring and rebounding while quadrupling his blocks.
Jordan easily has the best peak
@@stratosphere2323 Kobe had a better peak than duncan and olajuwon for me
Chamberlain.
damn i never realized just how important derek fischer was. good job giving his flowers. this is what i appreciate these type of videos.
They swept every PRIME TEAM IN THE WEST. Prime blazers prime kings and prime spurs!!!! Greatest team EVER!!!!
Not prime spurs but prime duncan sure
That Blazer team was falling apart by the time the Lakers swept them 3-0 in the first round. And, the Kings were way better in 2002 with Bibby over White Chocolate at point. They also beat one of the worst Finals teams ever in the 2001 Sixers.
@@jab1289 stop it 5. That blazers team was the same team in 04 minus scottie. That same blazers team from 01 use to pound the lakers in the reg season. Like i said that was a PRIME portland trailblazers team.
@@raviolihands5347 They went 1-2 that year against the Lakers in the regular season. And, they collapsed late that year before they lost to the Lakers in the playoffs.
@@jab1289 bro idgaf stop mentioning me
Really hyped for this series.
Suddenly remebered the depth and experience of the bench, the three point shooting, the tenacity of kobe and the power of shaq from 20 years ago!
This video made me happy. Brought back so many memories of Kobe, and some of the moments I wish I was old enough to see.
can't believe i found a channel this good so early
the GOAT of basketball content is back
Quite the birthday present, Clayton. Much appreciated.
Claytons videos are so good it’s inspirational
anyone else out here literally binging this guys entire video catalogue? Yeah me too, we're vibing my dudes
you did not disappoint my friend GREAT GREAT VIDEO!!!!!
How I have been waiting for this
Every single making the case video gives goose bumps
I loved the intro to the last making a case videos and this one didn’t disappoint either