The practice of determining what's 'overrated' is weird though. For Beethoven or Mozart to be 'overrated' doesn't say a ton about how good their music actually is, *because* it has been regarded so highly.
I've never heard it before and now I don't know how to go into it without all the comments about it being the best thing ever made influencing my perception. Happened with BCNR, everyone was hailing ants from up there and when I listen to it I can't help but notice a lack of interesting melodies, and many plodding musical sections that had nothing to them. Might not have bothered me if everyone wasn't calling it the album of the decade
@@Jeremy-hx7zj Yeah, personally, I think their first album is much better than Ants. Add it to your list and give yourself enough time to forget about the comments on it and hopefully you'll appreciate it for what it is.
none of the other music he recommended scratches anywhere near the same itch crumbling does prob bc most music just doesn't get as beautiful and otherworldly as that album does a part of the beauty of crumbling is how progressive and dynamic and textured everything is without seemingly throwing a whole lot of disjointed and goofy 'avant-garde' ideas at you and how it doesn't rely so much on constant change/evolution or even lyrics/vocals and instead just focuses on the bare beauty of the instrumentals and chord progressions themselves (like another comment said his "lacking on melodies" thing is absurd to me because right after how alien yet perfectly natural the sound design is it's the bare melodies and chord progressions that pull me into these songs the most) it's both incredibly simple and homely yet massive and hard to untangle in a way most albums aren't as they're either too busy and tight or too loose and chaotical i genuinely believe he's too jaded and overexposed to boring ass hipster indie psychedelic/electronic bullshit to appreciate actually beautiful bands like fishmans and mid-air thief like the rest of us do same deal with the ghost pop tape and alvvays though for different genres and types of overexposure i hope he hasn't said things too awful about cornelius broadcast tujiko noriko life without buildings or susumu hirasawa is all i can say
well, if you're not a big fan of crumbling, I'd suggest checking out their previous album "Gongjoon Doduk" It's a lot more folkier, but the songs are very catchy and the way it blends psych pop and folk is wonderful. It's also a lot more lofi but that's what really gives it it's magic. White Room and Moon, and the Knot are some incredible tracks on the project you should check out.
to be fair, his examples of Grizzly Bear and Broadcast are amongst the most beloved bands of the last 30 years for me and the music nerd community in general. I haven't heard crumbling but going to give it a shot today.
@@Jgreasy that album is way out there and got lost in the shuffle of music somehow. I didn't get age of Adz the first few plays but Sufjan made something insanely experimental and it succeeds but you have to give it an open mind and a dozen plays or so. I still think Fantano's Carrie & Lowell think is the worst swing and a miss of all time on the channel. I thought a Beginner's Mind was more accessible and should've been on more number 1 positions in critics list for 2021. I also love the All Delighted people EP but I don't care much for the x-mas albums tbh and he has a lot of output where he's just screwing around a bit with instrumentals and collaborations and such. But Age of Adz and especially the song Futile Devices gives me goosebumps and I think there will come a time twenty or more years from now people will think of Sufjan as one of the heirs of Bob Dylan in terms of genius. Carrie & Lowell should be in any respectable top 10 of teh 2010's too
This Mid-Air Thief take is wild. I never usually care but man, it's one of the most creative songwriting I've heard in the decade easily. One of the very few 10s I have Good shout on the Books though
I didn’t either and was originally shocked when I first saw it rated as it was on RYM, I think it kinda just has a cult following there… which I am a part of
It's been garnering a following mainly on rym for the past 5 years, but if you go outside irl, no one knows it. I still think it's just pure sonic euphoria even if it's not a stylish record
was curious to see why so many people were upset about the Crumbling take (never heard the album before), so I went to listen to the first two songs and well, had to comeback and say yeah THAT WAS AN L TAKE melon
Mid Air Thief's Crumbling is easily a 10/10 for me. Every single track is as ethereal, dreamy and spellbinding in its own ways. The production is unique and the sound play makes the already catchy music even more gorgeous. Sorry Anthony but Mid Air Thief is goated.
Knew Crumbling would obviously be in this video from the thumbnail, didn't come into this expecting to defend Crumbling, but... after watching it, I wanna hear what you think are better versions of the same thing, because while most songs on Crumbling don't really impress me, I've been looking for something that scratches the same itch as These Chains, and Sufjan and The Books are absolutely not gonna cut it lmao.
I know people aren’t loving the mid air thief take, but Boarding House Reach being the most underrated is so so valid. One of the most extreme, weird rock albums I’ve ever heard and probably personal top 5 of the 2010s
It is weird but I never connected with any Jack White album emotionally, comes down to personal taste and maybe someday I will but it's one of those artists I admire but not love. Same goes for White Stripes stuff. I will give BHR credit for a creative pivot away from basically continuining the white stripes sound in Jack White solo albums.
@@ChristofEightyEight white blood cells changed my brain chemistry when I was first starting out as a guitar player, so i am slightly biased towards Jack at all times
@@nickl2854 I'll give it a few spins for the occasion of this conversation/ vid. But I wanted to remark that you are a guitar player and I think I don't have the appreciation for his skill and genius in terms of technical music terms because I'm not. I'm just talking in terms of pure emotion I've always felt old school Jack is a bit too much of a nostalgic act and the new more experimental stuff is a bit too wacky (hi-de-ho for instance). I'm more of a folk-y than a rock guy Carrie & Lowell or Elliott Smith self titled is more my speed than Elephant but I do appreciate Jack on an intellectual level and he's basically the only artist still making like blues rock that is still in the conversation. I mean he is the new Rolling Stones but you've probably guessed that I don't have a personal connection with them either. I like them but it's not like an excavation to emotional deep ground for me the Stones and I think Elephant is basically an early 2000's stones record. I'm like a Nick Drake, Karen Dalton guy from back then, and most feeling The Velvet Underground of any band in the late '60s and of blues rock you might as well go full tacky over the top and go straight to the aorta that is Led Zeppelin.
@Owl I can see that...I feel a similar way about it...Yeat does today's style of rap better than Carti...yet if you look at it like, which one of them have more cultural classics, Carti has lived and lead a legendary career so we shall see where Yeat goes
People seem to critique the vocals on Crumbling along with Ceres & Calypso in the Deep Time but these albums in their own rights are niche yet detailed soundscapes that show lots of color through it's fluidity in layering and harmonics. I don't know much abt painting, or even theory, but listing to these 2 is what I imagine it's like in front of a Van Gogh piece off of mescaline. Prolly sounds like some theatrical fused mess to most, but against some other 2010 records in their own similarly fused genres, these records stand out in what makes that more mainstream electro/art/pop sound not redundant. It's something more loose and human natured. Idk, Crumbling deserves it's recognition
dude, crumbling is one of the most stunning and well crafted pieces of music i’ve ever heard !!! still remains one of my very few 10s. i would personally say maybe dean blunt’s black metal or armand hammer’s paraffin are some of the most underrated compared to just how incredible those records are
What an absolutely confounding take. The vocal harmonies are one of my favourite parts of Mid-Air Thief’s stuff. The vocal performances are relatively under-stated, there’s no power-ballad style belting, but that’s also not the vibe the album is going for. Also, as for not being an innovative folktronica album, I hardly consider it to be part of that genre despite what it’s listed as on RYM (as someone who likes that genre). Yes, it uses acoustic instrumentation mixed with electronic music, but so does Jockstrap and I don’t think many people would consider them folktronica. I wouldn’t say any of his songs have the structure or sound I’d associate with British, American or Korean folk music (although I’m not an expert on Korean folk). Mid-Air Thief’s musical philosophy is instead, more in line with a new set of bedroom producers who focus less on genre conventions and more on using the best instrument for the job, be that electronic or otherwise. Mid-Air Thief is spacey and ethereal but also surprising and off-kilter whilst remaining down to Earth and emotional and human. The works are great compositions not just as pop tracks. And, despite being well rated on Rate Your Music, Mid-Air Thief is still relatively obscure, and so calling them overrated is a bit ridiculous, as well as being wrong.
IDK, what sticks out to me about crumbling isn't that it's adventurous or new, but that it just sounds really damn good. Mid air thief's first album was my introduction into the genre, and I can't see anything else really capturing my interest like it did.
Fr that record is a massive inspiration to me on the production aspect Or conversely massive deflater cause I don’t think I’ll ever make something as pristine as that
Mid Air Thief, a band melon admittedly called "anonymous", is who he chooses to call overrated, when he quite plainly skipped past Kanye West, AND THEN MENTIONED AGE OF FREAKING ADZ from every music snobs fav chicago indie darling, Sufjan Stevens and then said that jack white was underrated. I am not a fan-tano of this opinion.
@@Hmm-jg2rr Adding validity, perhaps. But I'd say the overwhelming support in the comments is actually proving that the album isn't overrated, maybe a little overhyped. You're still not gonna like the best album of a certain style if it's not your style. Even if it's a 10.
I’m definitely not as high on Mid Air Thief as the rest of RYM, but I’m surprised that the criticism Anthony had of the record was that it wasn’t adventurous, because I’d say that’s the most obvious strength of that album. I would listen to Rounds or The Lemon of Pink over Crumbling near any day but I think it stands up as being just as bold and creative as either of them.
My pick for the most underrated album of that decade is Linkin Park's A Thousand Suns from 2010. LP decided to make a concept album with heavy electronic influences and less metal and I feel like their fanbase wanted nu metal or had outgrown them and critics straight up ignored it because, well, it was Linkin Park, well past the nu metal era. But in my opinion, not only is it the best album LP ever made, but it has aged a LOT better than one would expected. It's catchy, sounds fantastic and flows really well, and sticks the landing too. It's not FLAWLESS, especially due to some of the rap elements (although they're still incredibly catchy, some lyrics aside), but it's certainly underrated.
never heard anything like crumbling before or since, absolutely mind blowing, definitely a solid 10 imo, groundbreaking composition, sound, atmosphere, really just everything is so perfect about that record
@@yomuin5389 He has said he thinks it is fantastic before, but he has also said Fishmans are overrated including the live album, and maybe his opinions have changed more upon relistening recently... perhaps we shall see...
I just decided to listen to crumbling because you said it sounded like broadcast, and it's actually great-it's like if loving made an album with candy claws
3:23 I'm always exicted to hear Melon mention a favorite band of mine that doesn't seems to get mentioned/talked about that often. I'd love to hear more of his thoughts/analysis on Broadcast!
Vocals really ?? But you missed the multi instrument"Harmonies" the mix on the album is good considering too many instruments taking mid frequencies making it muddy yet it came out very clean. how about its arrangement, 2 to 3 breaks with the addition of new instrument after each break. Combination of analog synths and folk instruments its genius
Tbh the moment that jack white album came out I didn't saw any review or nothing, i listened completely blind and it's one of the most crazy uniquely experiences I had with music, because was really challenging in a way that i didn't even know if I liked the album or not and coming back to the album in the present it holds its crazy and weird factor, and i can't do nothing but praise that experience
A couple of underrated 2010s albums that I recommend Somi- Petite Afrique The Armed- Untitled Gang Gang Dance- Eye Contact Ondotropica- Ondotropica Esperanza Spalding - Emily's D+Evolution Wreck and Reference - Youth Absu - Abzu
the fact that you chose an independent korean artist album to call it the MOST overrated album from the 2010s is WILD like lmaofjdk how could this be overly rated if it's a niche loved album on a very niche side of the internet 🥴 some of the songs are barely touching 1M listens on Spotify, i was expecting someone like Drake to have the most overrated album, or Taylor Swift. taking the comment section i'm actually inclined to give Crumbling a listen now lol
@@ecco1k pretty sure he likes it at least somewhat given that he did praise it on quite a bit of things, just doesn't think its the most amazing thing ever thats not the same as not liking it but most ppl seem to think so
I haven't listened to the crumbling album yet so I'm gonna listen to it then listen to this video to see his (prolly bad) take on it Edit: YEAH THIS GUYS TAKE IS ASS BEDROOM POP GTFO OUT OF HERE
Almost two years ago on July 28, 2021, Anthony Fantano put the three AJR albums in an under ground dungeon when he made his 0/10 tier list video. (time stamp for that video is 8:47). And here we revisit that dungeon and add in MBDTF and Yeezus. You can even see the AJR albums still there in the background. I wonder what Anthony means by this.
Understandable about not personally liking the mid air thief album as much as other people, but those were some pretty surface level critques and unnecessary comparisons. If the most you took away from that album is that "sufjan did it better" or "phil elverum did it better" then that is a terrible mindset to have, because I think those artists and the albums theyve made are CLEARLY not only in a completely different sound and genre, but are trying to convey different conceptual and emotional objectives. Especially the comparison to Age of Adz, complerely missing the mark on both those albums and what they are achieving. The only two things those albums have in common is that they both fuse elements folk and eletronic music, even though clearly sufjan is pulling from a more glitchy idm world where as MAT is pulling from psychedelic electronic production ala Animal collective possibly even some prog electronic. TLDR: its ok to not like album obliviously, but if your major criticism of it is based mainly off comparing it to other artists which are not relevant to the album at all, then its a poot mindset based off biased preconceptions.
It's a weird mindset I kinda notice within music circles. Obviously, innovation is necessary and naturally happens, but I get this vibe that people act as if an album isn't doing some extremely different genre no one's ever heard of, it's just "derivative".
@@DavidAlejandroYT I agree, however even in this case I believe this album pushes heaps of ground within the realms of psychedelia, electronic music, and folk music. Other albums may fall under similar categories (like the ones he mentioned) but none sound remotely similar or close to what crumbling. Same can be said for an album like age of adz by sufjan. Go turn that album on and tell me if crumbling sounds remotely similar to it.
Because it's too much experimental and far away from Jack White's standards. Fear of The Dawn is perfection, what BHR is not. But Over And Over And Over is really good
A Thousand Suns is the most underrated record i can think of rn. Linkin Park's absolute best, im glad to see that people are starting to appreciate it more
Replica is definitely not underrated, it's the album that put OPN on the map and it made everyones end decade list. Returnal is much more underrated, I think people don't talk about it that much because it's not on streaming services, but to me it's one of his best albums
@@andrei11dr I'd say underrated in the sense that I think Replica should be regarded up with the likes of Music Has the Right to Children or even Selected Ambient Works 85-92. It's that good. I do like Returnal as well but Replicas an absolute gem in my eyes.
Just got started with the video, but before I forget, something came to mind. In addition to most overrated/underrated albums, there should be a discussion of most okayrated too, meaning neither over nor underrated, like taking a look what people actually got right in that sense.
Melon playing the long game by hyping down Mid-Air Thief so that everyone goes and listens to that masterpiece. Like, seriously, I had no idea that album existed, thanks for the killer recommendation Anthony! Bahahahaha
I'm tired of holding it in. I can't keep it inside anymore. I need to proclaim that one of the most underrated records of the 2010s is the self-titled Casualties of Cool. It's like an old jukebox floating through the emptiness of space. It's beautiful desolate country music consumed by death.
atrocious take of it being overrated, but much worse is how you critiqued Crumbling, Antony. dodgy vocal performances? WTAF. the amount of harmonizing and vocal execution that is present in Crumbling is insane, I think it tends to blend in more with the instrumental which IMO makes it a more full of listening experience, but to say vocals are dodgy is just confusing to me??. and then naming other albums in the folk/electronica genre that have so little in common with Crumbling to critique it, I think is really lazy. it just makes me think you didn't even listen to the album. I continue to be wildly impressed each time I listen to Crumbling. Sonically, conceptually, lyrically, literally in almost any sense I look at it. I'm not exactly sure why it was an underwhelming record to you, even objectively.
Yeah, think he went a bit overboard on the criticisms NGL. Is it a great album? Absolutely! Top 50 of the decade, probably not imo. Tbh, it's more of an issue with rym folks underrating other albums in a similar vein as Crumbling, rather than Crumbling being overrated.
Got an idea for another video series: Go over different genres and sub genres of music and pick one album that is either your personal favorite from that genre, or the best album as an introduction to that genre.
Melon underrated Jack White himself when he gave it a rating of a decent to strong 9, but he ranked it lower than many albums with ratings of 8 in his list of the best albums of the 2010s
@@odnx I don't even agree with it being the most overrated necessarily, I'd say something like die lit personally, but I do think it generally is overrated, too many people think the only two ratings that exist are super duper positive and ultra negative, no in between, at least when it comes to certain things
@@apeheadboink Idk he’s getting as much backlash in this comment section as I’ve ever seen. Also, I hope you’re enjoying spending your time responding to everyone who likes this album.
@@cadefraley3403 I'm not responding because they like the album but because they're being shit heads for no reason than somebody doesn't adore the album as much as them lol stop trying to make me seem like I'm doing something wrong
I'm a simple person. I see Mid Air Thief in the thumbnail, I click
Edit: NOOOOOOO FANTANO WHY
can't wait until Anthony reaches the 1810s and tells us that Beethoven was actually pretty mid
Beethoven was great, Mozart was mid
The practice of determining what's 'overrated' is weird though. For Beethoven or Mozart to be 'overrated' doesn't say a ton about how good their music actually is, *because* it has been regarded so highly.
@@TheGegemon23tbh, with my name bias in regards I agree.
Rachmaninov, moszkowski, Tchaikovsky, Korsakov, Beethoven, Liszt, Chopin, Stenhamar, Czerny are the best imo
6/10
I feel extremely bad for the people who choose not to listen to the Mid-Air Thief album because of this video
I feel bad for ppl who watch Fantano 😂😂😂 or comment on his vids. Including me. Especially me.
me
I'm actually the opposite. This video is the first time I've heard of the album and artist, and I really like it
I will listen to it simply because he doesnt like it
@@marquesgoncalves Same. Based melon hater.
im genuinely shocked about the mid air theif being overrated..... crumbling was genuinely life changing
I've never heard it before and now I don't know how to go into it without all the comments about it being the best thing ever made influencing my perception. Happened with BCNR, everyone was hailing ants from up there and when I listen to it I can't help but notice a lack of interesting melodies, and many plodding musical sections that had nothing to them. Might not have bothered me if everyone wasn't calling it the album of the decade
@@Jeremy-hx7zj Yeah, personally, I think their first album is much better than Ants. Add it to your list and give yourself enough time to forget about the comments on it and hopefully you'll appreciate it for what it is.
It may not be. What do *you* think about it? This is just someone's opinion. You know that, right?
@@RobVespa You don’t have to post that comment everywhere
TPAB is the most overrated
As someone who has never heard of or listened to anything by Mid Air Thief, I am outraged. Outraged I tell you!
I remember that I tried to listen to it because of hype and didn't find it interesting
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This mid air thief take is fucking insane. Easily one of the most enchanting albums ever made.
I agree
none of the other music he recommended scratches anywhere near the same itch crumbling does
prob bc most music just doesn't get as beautiful and otherworldly as that album does
a part of the beauty of crumbling is how progressive and dynamic and textured everything is without seemingly throwing a whole lot of disjointed and goofy 'avant-garde' ideas at you
and how it doesn't rely so much on constant change/evolution or even lyrics/vocals and instead just focuses on the bare beauty of the instrumentals and chord progressions themselves (like another comment said his "lacking on melodies" thing is absurd to me because right after how alien yet perfectly natural the sound design is it's the bare melodies and chord progressions that pull me into these songs the most)
it's both incredibly simple and homely yet massive and hard to untangle in a way most albums aren't as they're either too busy and tight or too loose and chaotical
i genuinely believe he's too jaded and overexposed to boring ass hipster indie psychedelic/electronic bullshit to appreciate actually beautiful bands like fishmans and mid-air thief like the rest of us do
same deal with the ghost pop tape and alvvays though for different genres and types of overexposure
i hope he hasn't said things too awful about cornelius broadcast tujiko noriko life without buildings or susumu hirasawa is all i can say
“Indie psychedelic/electronic bullshit”
What he say fuck me for?
Fantano giving us a proper example of what a hot take is
Nah that's not a hot take, that's just a straight-up shit take.
it's not hot it's just wrong
@@karkadorme when people have different opinions.
I never ever thought I’d hear melon talk about Crumbling, and never thought he might not be crazy about it, damn
It's okay you can still enjoy it you know 😂
If you like, you like it. It's just someone's opinion. If you've been watching this channel for some time, you'll know their opinion is biased.
@@RobVespa every opinion is biased
@@brandonayong5823that's impossible
@@RobVespa it’s only biased in that it’s what he likes lol
well, if you're not a big fan of crumbling, I'd suggest checking out their previous album "Gongjoon Doduk" It's a lot more folkier, but the songs are very catchy and the way it blends psych pop and folk is wonderful. It's also a lot more lofi but that's what really gives it it's magic. White Room and Moon, and the Knot are some incredible tracks on the project you should check out.
seriously how could you listen to a song like “Protector” and say that Crumbling is lacking in melodies
As someone who loves crumbling, I'm looking forward to listening to the suggestion of better versions of this album Melon has given
Wonderwall Music by George Harrison of 1968 is also better and the most similar you could think of that era
to be fair, his examples of Grizzly Bear and Broadcast are amongst the most beloved bands of the last 30 years for me and the music nerd community in general. I haven't heard crumbling but going to give it a shot today.
Sufjan Stevens is my favorite artist, and Age of Adz is one of his best albums imo
@@Jgreasy that album is way out there and got lost in the shuffle of music somehow. I didn't get age of Adz the first few plays but Sufjan made something insanely experimental and it succeeds but you have to give it an open mind and a dozen plays or so. I still think Fantano's Carrie & Lowell think is the worst swing and a miss of all time on the channel. I thought a Beginner's Mind was more accessible and should've been on more number 1 positions in critics list for 2021. I also love the All Delighted people EP but I don't care much for the x-mas albums tbh and he has a lot of output where he's just screwing around a bit with instrumentals and collaborations and such. But Age of Adz and especially the song Futile Devices gives me goosebumps and I think there will come a time twenty or more years from now people will think of Sufjan as one of the heirs of Bob Dylan in terms of genius. Carrie & Lowell should be in any respectable top 10 of teh 2010's too
I think the albums he mentioned aren't as good as crumbling. the books are intresting but don't really engage me but four tet is amazing imo
This Mid-Air Thief take is wild. I never usually care but man, it's one of the most creative songwriting I've heard in the decade easily. One of the very few 10s I have
Good shout on the Books though
These Chains is my favorite folktronic song from 2010s after Impossible Soul.
These chains is the song I return to,very unexpected take as the whole album is great,but that song is just absolutely gorgeous
I honestly thought mid air thief would be on the underrated albums, I didn't know it was so well rated and known lol
I didn’t either and was originally shocked when I first saw it rated as it was on RYM, I think it kinda just has a cult following there… which I am a part of
It's been garnering a following mainly on rym for the past 5 years, but if you go outside irl, no one knows it. I still think it's just pure sonic euphoria even if it's not a stylish record
Literally same I saw the cover and was like "hell yeah Crumbling is underrated" lol.
Now I know what to say if I'm ever in a "what's my worst take" video with Fantano
was curious to see why so many people were upset about the Crumbling take (never heard the album before), so I went to listen to the first two songs and
well, had to comeback and say yeah THAT WAS AN L TAKE melon
Such a beautiful album, listen to the rest bro its amazing
Protector makes me ascend
You have to listen to the whole record before you can call that shot though.
@@alextoschi2242 every track is amazing by itself, i'd say the album is perfect even with the longer and busier tracks like crumbling together or dirt
Everyone listen to the mid air thief album. Genuinely life changing for me, helped me realize that there is no ceiling to how beautiful music can get.
Dude wtf, Crumbling is amazing.
i will never forgive you for what you said about mid air theif
Mid Air Thief's Crumbling is easily a 10/10 for me. Every single track is as ethereal, dreamy and spellbinding in its own ways. The production is unique and the sound play makes the already catchy music even more gorgeous. Sorry Anthony but Mid Air Thief is goated.
it looks like ai generated review with 0 actual substance behind some pampered words
@@doldrumz no it doesn't
@@MichaelTurner856 it does lol. garauntee you there's at least 15 other reviews on the RYM page alone that read exactly like this one
@@doldrumz Bro think I'm an AI 💀💀
@@doldrumz lol give it a listen and this comment will make more sense. The noise on Crumbling is so beautifully chaotic
Knew Crumbling would obviously be in this video from the thumbnail, didn't come into this expecting to defend Crumbling, but... after watching it, I wanna hear what you think are better versions of the same thing, because while most songs on Crumbling don't really impress me, I've been looking for something that scratches the same itch as These Chains, and Sufjan and The Books are absolutely not gonna cut it lmao.
The outrage at the Mid Air Thief restores the sanity that Melon drains from me
I know people aren’t loving the mid air thief take, but Boarding House Reach being the most underrated is so so valid. One of the most extreme, weird rock albums I’ve ever heard and probably personal top 5 of the 2010s
That album blew my mind in middle school, I had no clue what to make of it when it dropped
It is weird but I never connected with any Jack White album emotionally, comes down to personal taste and maybe someday I will but it's one of those artists I admire but not love. Same goes for White Stripes stuff. I will give BHR credit for a creative pivot away from basically continuining the white stripes sound in Jack White solo albums.
@@ChristofEightyEight white blood cells changed my brain chemistry when I was first starting out as a guitar player, so i am slightly biased towards Jack at all times
@@nickl2854 I'll give it a few spins for the occasion of this conversation/ vid. But I wanted to remark that you are a guitar player and I think I don't have the appreciation for his skill and genius in terms of technical music terms because I'm not. I'm just talking in terms of pure emotion I've always felt old school Jack is a bit too much of a nostalgic act and the new more experimental stuff is a bit too wacky (hi-de-ho for instance). I'm more of a folk-y than a rock guy Carrie & Lowell or Elliott Smith self titled is more my speed than Elephant but I do appreciate Jack on an intellectual level and he's basically the only artist still making like blues rock that is still in the conversation. I mean he is the new Rolling Stones but you've probably guessed that I don't have a personal connection with them either. I like them but it's not like an excavation to emotional deep ground for me the Stones and I think Elephant is basically an early 2000's stones record. I'm like a Nick Drake, Karen Dalton guy from back then, and most feeling The Velvet Underground of any band in the late '60s and of blues rock you might as well go full tacky over the top and go straight to the aorta that is Led Zeppelin.
Both Crumbling and Boarding House Reach are 10/10s IMO
The second song for crumbling, the chains, might be the greatest song of all time.
surprised to see that Melon rounded out his list with Yeat’s Up 2 Më as the most underrated album of all-time
Ever since that Big Sean thing...I always remembered that
That album is unironically underrated. I think it’s better than any carti, lone or Ken album personally
@@BigOwl51 incorrect carti made die lit
@Owl I can see that...I feel a similar way about it...Yeat does today's style of rap better than Carti...yet if you look at it like, which one of them have more cultural classics, Carti has lived and lead a legendary career so we shall see where Yeat goes
I think it’s the best rage album of all time
People seem to critique the vocals on Crumbling along with Ceres & Calypso in the Deep Time but these albums in their own rights are niche yet detailed soundscapes that show lots of color through it's fluidity in layering and harmonics. I don't know much abt painting, or even theory, but listing to these 2 is what I imagine it's like in front of a Van Gogh piece off of mescaline. Prolly sounds like some theatrical fused mess to most, but against some other 2010 records in their own similarly fused genres, these records stand out in what makes that more mainstream electro/art/pop sound not redundant. It's something more loose and human natured. Idk, Crumbling deserves it's recognition
this is exactly what i was thinking. I love these 2 albums
GOD Ceres and Calypso is so fucking good
yeah the vocal performances aren’t really the focus of the music.
It's genuinely baffling that out of all of the albums of the 2010s, he chose Crumbling
dude, crumbling is one of the most stunning and well crafted pieces of music i’ve ever heard !!! still remains one of my very few 10s. i would personally say maybe dean blunt’s black metal or armand hammer’s paraffin are some of the most underrated compared to just how incredible those records are
What an absolutely confounding take. The vocal harmonies are one of my favourite parts of Mid-Air Thief’s stuff. The vocal performances are relatively under-stated, there’s no power-ballad style belting, but that’s also not the vibe the album is going for. Also, as for not being an innovative folktronica album, I hardly consider it to be part of that genre despite what it’s listed as on RYM (as someone who likes that genre). Yes, it uses acoustic instrumentation mixed with electronic music, but so does Jockstrap and I don’t think many people would consider them folktronica. I wouldn’t say any of his songs have the structure or sound I’d associate with British, American or Korean folk music (although I’m not an expert on Korean folk).
Mid-Air Thief’s musical philosophy is instead, more in line with a new set of bedroom producers who focus less on genre conventions and more on using the best instrument for the job, be that electronic or otherwise.
Mid-Air Thief is spacey and ethereal but also surprising and off-kilter whilst remaining down to Earth and emotional and human. The works are great compositions not just as pop tracks. And, despite being well rated on Rate Your Music, Mid-Air Thief is still relatively obscure, and so calling them overrated is a bit ridiculous, as well as being wrong.
You realize how good is the mid air thief album when all the comments are about how beautiful is crumbling.
No way melon finally mentioned mid air thief and preceded to absolutely trash them😭
IDK, what sticks out to me about crumbling isn't that it's adventurous or new, but that it just sounds really damn good. Mid air thief's first album was my introduction into the genre, and I can't see anything else really capturing my interest like it did.
Fr that record is a massive inspiration to me on the production aspect
Or conversely massive deflater cause I don’t think I’ll ever make something as pristine as that
not adventurous or new? there's nothing entirely like it...
Mid Air Thief, a band melon admittedly called "anonymous", is who he chooses to call overrated, when he quite plainly skipped past Kanye West, AND THEN MENTIONED AGE OF FREAKING ADZ from every music snobs fav chicago indie darling, Sufjan Stevens and then said that jack white was underrated.
I am not a fan-tano of this opinion.
New fantano worst take just dropped🙀
literally my favorite album of all time, this Crumbling take is hedious
Me too! At least mid air thief fans have come to stand in solidarity against melon
@@juddmandeluxe_ you are all just proving his opinion lol
@@Hmm-jg2rr Adding validity, perhaps. But I'd say the overwhelming support in the comments is actually proving that the album isn't overrated, maybe a little overhyped. You're still not gonna like the best album of a certain style if it's not your style. Even if it's a 10.
this man listened to Ahhhh, These Chains! and still said the album is overrated. How
I’m definitely not as high on Mid Air Thief as the rest of RYM, but I’m surprised that the criticism Anthony had of the record was that it wasn’t adventurous, because I’d say that’s the most obvious strength of that album. I would listen to Rounds or The Lemon of Pink over Crumbling near any day but I think it stands up as being just as bold and creative as either of them.
Maybe he’s heard this kind of stuff before in the 10,000 albums he’s listened to.
I feel like if your going to continue this series you should also cover mixtapes and eps for each respective decade
My pick for the most underrated album of that decade is Linkin Park's A Thousand Suns from 2010. LP decided to make a concept album with heavy electronic influences and less metal and I feel like their fanbase wanted nu metal or had outgrown them and critics straight up ignored it because, well, it was Linkin Park, well past the nu metal era.
But in my opinion, not only is it the best album LP ever made, but it has aged a LOT better than one would expected. It's catchy, sounds fantastic and flows really well, and sticks the landing too. It's not FLAWLESS, especially due to some of the rap elements (although they're still incredibly catchy, some lyrics aside), but it's certainly underrated.
When waiting for the end got bolded, I couldn't believe it cause rym actually hates lp
@Sleep Token Slander Acct Reanimation is my fav album by them, but ATS is a close 2nd and is my favorite album of the 2010s.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!!
@@Whatabozo9 Easy answer, Millennials and Gen Z are now entering the workforce
Sweeeeet 👌👌xDd.
never heard anything like crumbling before or since, absolutely mind blowing, definitely a solid 10 imo, groundbreaking composition, sound, atmosphere, really just everything is so perfect about that record
Crumbling is a 10/10 album imo. I'm shook
That mid air thief take is a huge miss. One of my favourite albums.
Same with me, love that album and I’m sad to see he doesn’t feel the same way.
i’m actually shitting never thought anyone liked it that much omg
Real… literally my fave album of all time
Damn, Crumbling is one of my favs of the 10s, I'm shocked
Mid Air Thief being called overrated is the worst opinion ive heard from this guy woah
You better not diss Fishmans in the 90s, Anthony. I'm watching you.
I swear he's gonna hate on Long Season :')
@@yomuin5389 He has said he thinks it is fantastic before, but he has also said Fishmans are overrated including the live album, and maybe his opinions have changed more upon relistening recently... perhaps we shall see...
I just decided to listen to crumbling because you said it sounded like broadcast, and it's actually great-it's like if loving made an album with candy claws
i think its my #5 now lol
Right?
Uhhh! So many great artists!! @becausecrackers you have fantastic taste, broadcast might be my favorite band
Love Broadcast, Mid-Air Thief, Candy Claws. You've got some good taste crackers!
"RateYourMusic forever" horrifying proposition
worst website ever
completely and utterly TRIPPING with the mid air thief take
Really thought he would say Crumbling was underrated
3:23 I'm always exicted to hear Melon mention a favorite band of mine that doesn't seems to get mentioned/talked about that often. I'd love to hear more of his thoughts/analysis on Broadcast!
Massive L on Mid Air Thief
100% agreed
Vocals really ??
But you missed the multi instrument"Harmonies"
the mix on the album is good considering too many instruments taking mid frequencies making it muddy yet it came out very clean.
how about its arrangement, 2 to 3 breaks with the addition of new instrument after each break.
Combination of analog synths and folk instruments
its genius
I hope we can all agree that Corey Feldmans “Angelic 2 the Core” is the most underrated album of all time. Especially most underrated 2010s album.
TPAB quivers in its presence
🥶🥶🥶xdddd
Tbh the moment that jack white album came out I didn't saw any review or nothing, i listened completely blind and it's one of the most crazy uniquely experiences I had with music, because was really challenging in a way that i didn't even know if I liked the album or not and coming back to the album in the present it holds its crazy and weird factor, and i can't do nothing but praise that experience
A couple of underrated 2010s albums that I recommend
Somi- Petite Afrique
The Armed- Untitled
Gang Gang Dance- Eye Contact
Ondotropica- Ondotropica
Esperanza Spalding - Emily's D+Evolution
Wreck and Reference - Youth
Absu - Abzu
Somi is fucking fantastic
Emily's D+Evolution is an all-time album for me, still such an enjoyable romp.
Based The Armed enjoyer
Ondatrópica is so fantastic and flawless man
Omg Ondatropica yaass
I think you could get more mileage out of this by going year to year and I would love to hear your opinions with that expansive stipulation
Yeah he's really blowing his load 🎉🎉 early on this one
Or he could just pick more than one of each from each decade. Like five of each maybe.
@@AudreyAdz Man
@@jd1800 yeah I was thinking that too
melon casually dropping his worst take lmao
you are wrong about mid-air thief, jsyk
I have a parasocial investment in making sure everyone here listens to Midair thief’s albums
the fact that you chose an independent korean artist album to call it the MOST overrated album from the 2010s is WILD like lmaofjdk how could this be overly rated if it's a niche loved album on a very niche side of the internet 🥴 some of the songs are barely touching 1M listens on Spotify, i was expecting someone like Drake to have the most overrated album, or Taylor Swift.
taking the comment section i'm actually inclined to give Crumbling a listen now lol
Damn, finally we hear Melon talk about Mid air thief. Excited to get him more exposure
monkeys paw
When I saw the blurred cover in the thumbnail I clicked so fucking fast
overrated is crazy tho💀
@@Mvanhouten83 and he doesnt like it :(
@@ecco1k pretty sure he likes it at least somewhat given that he did praise it on quite a bit of things, just doesn't think its the most amazing thing ever thats not the same as not liking it but most ppl seem to think so
Can't believe that Fantano actually thinks The Money Store is the most overrated 2010s album
The Reviewbrah mention warmed my heart for a week in advance, thank you, Anthony ❤
I haven't listened to the crumbling album yet so I'm gonna listen to it then listen to this video to see his (prolly bad) take on it
Edit:
YEAH THIS GUYS TAKE IS ASS
BEDROOM POP GTFO OUT OF HERE
was sentencing yeezus to the AJR chamber really necessary, Melon?
Mid-Air theif hits different, I've never hard any music like it. Please share recommendations
Almost two years ago on July 28, 2021, Anthony Fantano put the three AJR albums in an under ground dungeon when he made his 0/10 tier list video. (time stamp for that video is 8:47). And here we revisit that dungeon and add in MBDTF and Yeezus. You can even see the AJR albums still there in the background. I wonder what Anthony means by this.
Understandable about not personally liking the mid air thief album as much as other people, but those were some pretty surface level critques and unnecessary comparisons. If the most you took away from that album is that "sufjan did it better" or "phil elverum did it better" then that is a terrible mindset to have, because I think those artists and the albums theyve made are CLEARLY not only in a completely different sound and genre, but are trying to convey different conceptual and emotional objectives. Especially the comparison to Age of Adz, complerely missing the mark on both those albums and what they are achieving. The only two things those albums have in common is that they both fuse elements folk and eletronic music, even though clearly sufjan is pulling from a more glitchy idm world where as MAT is pulling from psychedelic electronic production ala Animal collective possibly even some prog electronic. TLDR: its ok to not like album obliviously, but if your major criticism of it is based mainly off comparing it to other artists which are not relevant to the album at all, then its a poot mindset based off biased preconceptions.
I like the album, not even as much as others across the internet, but for someone who reviews music for a living, it was a really lazy critque.
It's a weird mindset I kinda notice within music circles. Obviously, innovation is necessary and naturally happens, but I get this vibe that people act as if an album isn't doing some extremely different genre no one's ever heard of, it's just "derivative".
@@DavidAlejandroYT I agree, however even in this case I believe this album pushes heaps of ground within the realms of psychedelia, electronic music, and folk music. Other albums may fall under similar categories (like the ones he mentioned) but none sound remotely similar or close to what crumbling. Same can be said for an album like age of adz by sufjan. Go turn that album on and tell me if crumbling sounds remotely similar to it.
Boarding House Reach is fuckin incredible. I'm surprised it isn't well loved yet.
Because it's too much experimental and far away from Jack White's standards. Fear of The Dawn is perfection, what BHR is not. But Over And Over And Over is really good
I’m in an abusive parasocial relationship with this man
I am a huge Jack White stan and I feel like I'm frequently on an island in loving Boarding House Reach. Super cool album.
Most overrated: TPAB Most underrated: Tetsuo & Youth
Take that back
Crumbling is like a top 20 album of all time for me.
What is that?
same
A Thousand Suns is the most underrated record i can think of rn. Linkin Park's absolute best, im glad to see that people are starting to appreciate it more
@Call me Ivan fair enough, I have it in my top 5 but not all people love it I guess
Id say that Replica by Oneohtrix Point Never is an underrated masterpiece.
this person knows what the fuck is up
W. Garden of Delete is also outstanding.
It is amazing but i dont think it's really that underrated
Replica is definitely not underrated, it's the album that put OPN on the map and it made everyones end decade list. Returnal is much more underrated, I think people don't talk about it that much because it's not on streaming services, but to me it's one of his best albums
@@andrei11dr I'd say underrated in the sense that I think Replica should be regarded up with the likes of Music Has the Right to Children or even Selected Ambient Works 85-92. It's that good. I do like Returnal as well but Replicas an absolute gem in my eyes.
Just got started with the video, but before I forget, something came to mind. In addition to most overrated/underrated albums, there should be a discussion of most okayrated too, meaning neither over nor underrated, like taking a look what people actually got right in that sense.
Melon playing the long game by hyping down Mid-Air Thief so that everyone goes and listens to that masterpiece.
Like, seriously, I had no idea that album existed, thanks for the killer recommendation Anthony! Bahahahaha
Yo this is a really awesome video concept but it’ll over soon, do it by year rather than decade please
cannot believe the mid-air thief take. absolutely awful
Mid-Air Thief is goated, hard disagree
I would be interested in seeing this series go by genre and year as well. Good vid 👊
The most underrated album of the 2010s is actually Junk by M83 but nobody’s ready for that conversation
So real for this
I’m so happy he said Jack white. That record really stood out to me when it came out and still does today. I don’t see how anyone could hate it
Crumbling on the thumbnail omg I’m so excited
Edit: man :(
I have been singing Mid-Air Thief’s praise since 2019. Melon, you’ve officially gone too far. I’ll never forgive you for this one.
Crumbling is one of my favourite albums bruh
Same, it’s literally my top album oat
When Fantano’s soul leaves his mortal coil I shall commit Mid-Air Theft while it’s floating up to heaven and send it Crumbling back to hell
yo that crazy frog album underrated as hell
What’s the album between yeezus and MBDTF at the beginning?
I'm tired of holding it in. I can't keep it inside anymore. I need to proclaim that one of the most underrated records of the 2010s is the self-titled Casualties of Cool. It's like an old jukebox floating through the emptiness of space. It's beautiful desolate country music consumed by death.
One of the best things Devin has ever done tbh
atrocious take of it being overrated, but much worse is how you critiqued Crumbling, Antony. dodgy vocal performances? WTAF. the amount of harmonizing and vocal execution that is present in Crumbling is insane, I think it tends to blend in more with the instrumental which IMO makes it a more full of listening experience, but to say vocals are dodgy is just confusing to me??. and then naming other albums in the folk/electronica genre that have so little in common with Crumbling to critique it, I think is really lazy. it just makes me think you didn't even listen to the album. I continue to be wildly impressed each time I listen to Crumbling. Sonically, conceptually, lyrically, literally in almost any sense I look at it. I'm not exactly sure why it was an underwhelming record to you, even objectively.
Surely there is a MORE overrated album than Crumbling in all of the 2010's and I don't even think that album is so amazing but it's very good for sure
Yeah, think he went a bit overboard on the criticisms NGL. Is it a great album? Absolutely! Top 50 of the decade, probably not imo. Tbh, it's more of an issue with rym folks underrating other albums in a similar vein as Crumbling, rather than Crumbling being overrated.
4:08 whats the song?
new worst fantano take?????
Got an idea for another video series: Go over different genres and sub genres of music and pick one album that is either your personal favorite from that genre, or the best album as an introduction to that genre.
Just listened to crumbling by mid air thief because of this video and it is absolutely wonderful
The mid-air thief take is your worst take of all time. That's all I have to say.
Most overrated: TPAB, Igor, FHD, Future Nostalgia, Teenage Fever, 1989, Atrocity Exhibition.
Atrocitiy Exhibition is definitely very overrated
Melon underrated Jack White himself when he gave it a rating of a decent to strong 9, but he ranked it lower than many albums with ratings of 8 in his list of the best albums of the 2010s
this is his most controversial take he’s ever had. Wow.
It's really not don't know how you landed on that
@@odnx I don't even agree with it being the most overrated necessarily, I'd say something like die lit personally, but I do think it generally is overrated, too many people think the only two ratings that exist are super duper positive and ultra negative, no in between, at least when it comes to certain things
@@apeheadboink Idk he’s getting as much backlash in this comment section as I’ve ever seen. Also, I hope you’re enjoying spending your time responding to everyone who likes this album.
@@cadefraley3403 I'm not responding because they like the album but because they're being shit heads for no reason than somebody doesn't adore the album as much as them lol stop trying to make me seem like I'm doing something wrong