I mention Deep Space 9 at one point and mean Babylon 5, oops. Either way episode 5 of Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power REALLY exemplified just how much of a disaster Galadriel as a character is, and this is someone meant to pull me into the series! Combine that with the Harfoots and the expectation that we think these characters are actually GOOD people, what are they thinking? Whose morality is this? But what do you think of Galadriel and the Hobbits? Let me know your thoughts below, and as always, thanks for watching :)
How could anyone with any integrity actually think that an empowered manly Galadriel would have been better than what we already know about her? Fucks sake, the destruction of her character should be criminal
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 I'd say DS9 was the better show, but Babylon 5 had the better story arcs, either way, both top tier series and so far above the drivel that gets pumped out these days.
Galadriel is just the most recent example of this kind of writing, where "strong female" to the writer evidently means "angry and/or violent female." They have zero clue what makes endearing characters.
They think this is what makes a woman strong because they believe this is what makes men "strong." These are the same behavioral traits that they say makes men "toxic." The truth is these writers don't hate anger, violence, and arrogance. What they are essentially trying to do turn the women into what they see men as so that they can flip the tables and make them the dominant ones.
"Hey, we want to make a strong female character. What do you think we should do?" "Well, you need to take care to really focus on her development as a person instead of just making her a tough, physically strong superhero. You should probably start considering different facets of her character and how you'll tie them into her relationships, past, and the general themes of the story." "Okay, okay, but hear me out: You know all those things that we say are super toxic in male characters? The extreme aggression, condescension, lack of empathy, and all that?" "Yes?" "Let's take those and make them her sole defining traits, and since it makes her look just as tough as the guys we can skip out on the work for character development without any genuine criticism at all, because obviously only misogynists would complain about her being strong." "...BRILLIANT!"
She's literally nothing but a smug, condescending mary sue, and her face and expressions she makes is that of a feminist at a abortion rally. Snarky and nasty.
Galadriel is in constant attack mode. She's never just, level headed and cool. ALWAYS on the off. It's quite exhausting to watch. She's got that crazy look in her eye, like all the time.
@VKR I just can't blame her for the character. I completely blame the writers that came up with that anime leap off a sword and tolkein elves huddling in the snow when they already showed legolas walking across the top of the snow unaffected by the freezing temperatures that stopped the rest of the fellowship in the movies.
"Mediocre" is incredibly generous. Unless you're actually intended to grow to absolutely despise Galadriel and what an unbelievable, insufferable and vitriolic fem-bot she is. In that case, she's brilliant.
In an army, no man is not left behind. By letting someone behind she lost respect from her subordinates. Amazon's Rings of Power is not even Tolkien's LOTR. It's just plagiarism. Galadriel is worse than Sauron. All these characters are villainous, as well as the writers that wrote them. These characters have no honor. Most of them are narcissistic, selfish, self-centered, show offs, all the human flaws from the evil human nature, these characters have. They are evil. There's no other word but evil that get others killed. "No one left behind" means something to soldier, true warriors. Tolkien understood good v evil. For Tolkien good v evil were not relative, actions had consequences,& people reacted to actions being executed by people. Tolkien's real Galadriel was humble, meek, friendly, respectful. This version is not Galadriel, it's a perversion of her.
Tolkien's Galadriel was not meek, and humble is debatable. She wanted to rule. I agree she was friendly and respectful. I will add she was compassionate.
🦇...These characters have no honor. Most of them are narcissistic, selfish, self-centered....🦇 when these terms are used four years of Trump administration springs to mind. could it be possible that the film industry ( or Amazon Prime) took this as prime exemple of leadership?
Liv Tyler on Arwen: "You don't have to put a sword in her hands to make her strong.” I was recently watching the Two Towers extras and stumbled on the "From Book to Script" segment where they talk about how they realized they didn't need to make Arwen fight. Liv Tyler specifically says, "I went right back into the book and into the appendix and what we came to realize was that you don't have to put a sword in her hands to make her strong. And where we've come to now is all these true elements of who Arwen is. I mean this is an incredibly powerful and fearless woman filled with so much hope and belief, and that is strong enough."
...Arwen in LotR movies.... sucks a huge dick, and I don't mean just Aragorn's. Lemme explain: 1. In FotR, she serves to rob the Nazgul of the power and fear they should instill - it really takes away from the threat when one bimbo in a dress armed with a hilariously light, small sword can make NINE RINGWRAITHS PAUSE. Seriously, if it were nine HOBBITS on ponies they shouldn't be in any way phased by her! In the books; the Nazgul completely unphased even by Glorfindel, a well armed Elf who is a hero of many big battles and who murdered a Balrog!!!, and Frodo escapes only due to the speed of his horse and the power of the river. 2. In TT, the visions of her motivate Aragorn to persist through her power of instilling, via his morning wood, hope of sexual intercourse with some hot elven ass. And a happy life of regular sex with a neveraging hottie after the war is won. Problem is... in the BOOKS, Aragorn is motivated by the fact he has been born a King and he is determined to carry out his obligations to his people IN SPITE the fact he is aware his life, even if he wins, is going to be nothing but hard work and self-denial even if the war is won. He'd rather NOT do any of this and go bang the elven ass, but he denies himself the elven ass and goes to war anyway BECAUSE the obligation of being born a King is more important to him than anything. Getting the ass is presented as a SURPRISE to him in the books, not his HOPE and GOAL. So, the whole POINT of the character of Aragorn in the books is going through with doing what you are obliged to do in spite of the detriment it will cause to your own life. In the movies, however, he's cliche-hollywooded into a dude working extra hard to get the pussy he wants. How many times have we seen that? Yes, every movie ever made. See how Arwen's involvement takes AWAY from the books here? 3. In RoTK.... is same as in TT, but we get the ugliest, most disgusting kiss ever put on film; with Aragorn's mouth going like that of a dying carp on the market. That alone is just NO.
@@gaijinhakase1575 one scene which in movie sense makes sense. We NEVER see glorfindel later in the books aside from feast in Rivendell maybe. Replacing him wasn’t that much of a loss for the movie. But in the same time it introduces Arwen earlier. And she doesn’t even get to swing her sword so what’s the harm?)
Glorfindel was an elf lord slain in battle with Balrogs in Gondolin who went to the Halls of Mandos, then left the Halls as a living elf again, and was sent back to Middle-earth before the Wizards to fight Sauron. He is one of the few Noldor left in Middle-earth who lived in Valinor during the time of them trees and thus existed in both the seen and unseen worlds. Arwen was never in Valinor and played no part in the story until her wedding to Aragorn. Glorfindel does not appear in the main story later as he is too hard to hide, unlike Gandalf, and the fellowship was a stealth mission.
The actual Galadriel in the actual LOTR was a super-chill lady who was so powerful that she had no need for the strong and independent meme, and so kind that she was simultaneously loved and feared. Read her interaction with Gimli the dwarf and where she stands down the rude interaction he first received. Then there is one thing for certain. This Galadriel in the Amazon debacle would have taken the one ring when Frodo offered it to her, and became the new evil ruling middle earth.
Wont be surprised if they try to make it that Guyladriel killed Isildur and orchestrated the ring goin to Gollum to Bilbo until Frodo where she can then give the phial of light thingy. Directed by Guyladriel starring Guyladriel for Guyladriel
God dam dude...great point...would this Galadriel have taken the ring when frodo offers it to her...and they can't say the timeline is off because they are the ones who screwed it up...I think she would of taken the one ring..I dont think she would of thought twice..it would not of been to protect the free peoples of Middle earth she would of taken it to find and destroy saron for revenge...that is such a good point bro...she would of set the world on fire. You have to write that comment in the main thread..its amazing
Well, except Sauron wasn't a non-entity at this point in Middle-earth history, he had served under Morgoth. But I agree that her character in the series behaves most like him! Sauron trapped in a tiny blonde elf-girl's body!
Galadriel is a several-thousand year-old woman who somehow has yet to discover how to negotiate with people or selectively keep her mouth shut to avoid offending people, which are skills most real world humans learn by age 30.
Show writer 1 :"soooo...Elves live FOREVER!? no-freakin-way! Soooo... 🤔.. How does that work (derisive snort). 🙄 Show writer 2 :" 🤭thats soooo silly! I know!! 👏 That old guy.. 🙄.. Tok? .. Tul?? .. Whateverrrr... Must mean like how dogs age!! 👏 👏.. Like, ya know, 100 years for every year!!!!". Show writer 1 :" YOU... ARE... A.... MAAAZZZINNGGG!!! 👏👏 👏👏👏". The show writers then gaze into each others eyes...hot lattes and gluten free houmous and rice crackers are swept from their desks as they fumble with...... 🔞..... (shenanigans ensue). 🤮
If I’m not mistaken, Galadriel was an accomplished politician by this point in her life. The sad part is that they not only changed the Lore, but they did it to absolutely ruin her as a character. One that is already a character that girls should look up to her if they just kept to her original life arc in the lore 😢
"they could no longer distinguish me from the Evil I was fighting" -- She's not admitting that she was evil, nor even that she'd done evil (not the same thing); she's saying how *wrong* she thinks they were. "Poor me, I had to deal with all these people who were too stupid to see how good I am!"
@@adamcaldwell5646 Are you sure? I didn't watch Rings Of Powers, but from what I can find from this quote, I think OP is correct because the quote says " *They* can no longer distinguish me from the evil I was fighting" she didn't say "I".
There is a subtle similarity between how Galadriel treats others who "disrespect her" and how the show runners treat the audience that "disrespects them". In both cases, they can do no wrong and it's the other person's fault for not seeing their greatness.
That's a fact Pax! Its so predictable nowadays. Its injected in every facet of society. The same old drivel . Soon to be forgotten. I say bravo Bezos money well spent! Lol.
An apt analysis good sir. Showing us their true hubris by taking one of the most epic pieces of fantasy ever written and skull fucking it. Because they think they can do better. Lol
Maybe its the marvel writer who has nature girl murder a convenience store worker because she found litter with the stores name on it. Then she murders oil workers. Faces no consequence in the end even from the xmen.
I already prefer Sauron. I am team Sauron all day long. It's fucking sad when a show is so bad that most of the audience would rather see the villain win.
The way she looks right into the camera while manipulating Halbrand is both creepy looking and a Freudian slip by the show makers; they're manipulating us, too.
She's literally written like a bad guy. This is what characters are written like when you're supposed to hate them. This show is not just poorly written, it's villainous
@@luciusknight9946 I’ve proposed that! As proof, I present the tree struck with corruption, leaving men to die, making demands and expecting obedience, and playing silly buggers with those poor Numenorean recruits.
This is why Eowyn was perfect in The Lord of the Rings she cared for her people and others, but also was kind In her dealings when she disagreed with others and fought like a lion when she needed not this Galadriel they ruined a great character.
But even that snappyness was a genuine reaction by someone who was constabtly judged and discouraged from what she loved and enjoyed. So yes Eowyn is a "challange the traditional gender role" character. But done genuine and not turning her into a man for it. She was just a warrior woman who defended what she held dearest. But thats because she was written by Tolkien. And not neo-feminist writers.
The writing of Karadriel isn't just bad, it's practically plagiarism. A number of her dramatic scenes have been cut and pasted from Cate Blanchett roles: shots of Galadriel (obviously), scenes from her portrayal of Queen Elizabeth, scenes from her portrayal of Hela. They're trying to build an association between the two, and all it does is remind the audience that the lines were said elsewhere, in a better film, by a far superior actress. It doesn't help that Morfydd looks like a ferret whenever she's trying to look intense.
I don't like Cate Blanchett, never did. She is just awful and has the face of a wine mom. I never liked galadriel, she creeps me out. So both actresses fit.
Many of the shots and camera work in RoP were inspired by LOTR. No need to simp for Blanchett. The main reason why Karaladriel sucks is because of the writing.
They're basically making Galadriel the new Feanor - obsessed with revenge, arrogantly doubling down on her violent approach now matter how many people try to talk her out of it, threatening people to get ships, abandoning comrades on the ice - except Feanor actually got to make a few legitimately cool speeches (villain speeches, but very well written ones), and he was shown as a villain who tragically betrayed his potential and ruined everything.They're trying to show Galadriel doing these things and it supposed to make us root for her? If she does end up roping Halbrand into this fight and he is Sauron, they're also making her a mini Melkor in addition to a Wish brand Feanor. I can't decide if it would be worse if they did know the actual story in the Silmarillion and are clumsily trying to reference it, or if they're just that incompetent at writing characters who are good people in general. It's extra insulting to Galadriel in particular to have her behaving like Feanor, given that she recognize his hubris even before the Kinslaying and deliberately led her people in Middle Earth in a way that was as far from Feanor's style as possible. She did not like him one bit, and that only deepened after his multiple betrayals and violent acts. She was supposed to be wise, even back when she was ambitious and proud perhaps to a fault. By the second age she was absolutely past any sort of pride she may have had when she left Valinor. They gave her such a downgrade in this show.
Nah. At least Feanor and his sons swore an oath (though oaths doesnt seem to mean much in this alternative universe). Galadriel is simply being a bitch
I love this comment. It nails the entire problem with the show. i do not belive that Feanor, had he survived, could have grown up to become similar to galadriel in personality. I simply do not belive it.
"From her earliest years, she had a marvelous gift of insight into the minds of others, but judged them with mercy and understanding, and she withheld her goodwill from none, save only Feanor." J.R.R. Tolkien That's the real Galadriel! RoP Galadriel is selfish, foolish, and manipulative, to say the least. Excellent video, Disparu!
Do you mean she didn't beat up not-at-all-evil Elven bullies who would sink her boat to make her feel bad? (even tho at that point they all lived in total grace with no knowledge of evil or death before the first sunrise).
The "real" Galadriel from the books was also a Kin slayer and was suffering from a very real curse called "the doom of Mandos." She does not overcome this curse until she refuses the ring from Frodo late in the 3rd age.
@@Novusod Wait, she participated in the Kinslaying? I only remember that her and her family (House of Finarfin) just went with Feanor and then decided not to follow him after the ships were burned and the kinslaying began.
The only way to turn the tables is to show that she is not Galllllladriel but Sauron, and the real Galadriel has been captured and be freed in the end. But that plot twist is possibly not possible 😂
If the Halbrandy guy is Sauron no wonders why he decided to be evil, his motive will be to kill "Galadriel" the "Witch Karen of the Noldor". This "show" makes you literally want him to destroy the witch and also makes you want to support the baddies. Even the "we are the always good hearted Hobobbits" of this show are so evil that you want to see them suffer after a minute of them being on screen. This show is not bad, this show is a fragment of the corrupted song that Melkor sang in the Hall of Eru/Iluvatar that one time.
Tolkien technically said they did that only for simplification. Introducing morally grey elements isn’t necessarily bad as long as they’re in character and the story isn’t biased.
@@cosmicspacething3474 so the point of your comment was to... nitpick? Discuss the finer points of Tolkiens aims? Seems like you just had an excuse to write something and so just went for it. Sorry if I happen to write a little bluntly, I know that I tend to have a certain way with words, but I also just so happen to be curious
@@cosmicspacething3474 if any grayness was to be inserted, it was to be put where Tolkien put it - in the evil people, who initially aren't entirely corrupt. The problem with "morally grey" in Tolkien's world is that you need to tread very very VERY LIGHTLY and keep future in mind as well as past in order for the storyline to converge without contrivances. What do I mean? Lemme explain: when Gandalf realizes the Ring is THE Ring, he sends Frodo to Rivendell because he trusts Elrond with the Ring; and he goes to consult Saruman because he trusts Saruman; and the Fellowship goes to Lorien to seek protection and advice from Galadriel because Aragorn trusts Galadriel once Gandalf gets killed. Now, this storyline relies ENTIRELY on the characters in question - Gandalf, Galadriel, Elrond, Aragorn, even Saruman - being initally morally SOUND, because otherwise, who ever puts trust in either of them is a blithering idiot. If Elrond was a conniving politician who worked by betraying his friends; Gandalf would be an idiot to send the Ring to him. If Galadriel was ready to walk over people for revenge, Aragorn would be a fool to let the Ring come anywhere near her. If Saruman was stupid enough to let anyone see his "turn to the dark side" (like in the Hobbit movies, also stupid), Gandalf would be a total jerk to come to him with the news of the Ring. See the entire PLOT is based on the CHARACTERS, as it SHOULD be; and then if you change the character of the characters, it stops working and everyone turns into an idiot. Like RoP achieved in less than 5 episodes. And no, you can't just "redeem" your characters later so that after a lifetime of betrayal and treachery they're suddenly nice and trustworthy - sorry, that's not how it works. The only place that works in are YA novels, because the characters are 12, so it's believable they're genuinely a different person by the time they're 25.
"patience and kindness are for the weak and incompetent, and only the strong and capable are right" could be a motto for this show's good characters, and every standard evil overlord's excuse for his/her atrocities in most fantasy books.
The way Galadriel is characterized it's as if the writers watched The Fellowship of the Ring and believe that Galadriel speaking when she's tempted by the One Ring is her true personality.
The inexplicable becomes explicable when you realize that Galadriel is Sauron in disguise. The real Galadriel is still trapped, like Mad-eye Moody, back at the ice castle. And Halbrand is just a pawn to consolidate power. Nancy Drew will sort it all out eventually.
But would be ridiculous, because Sauron disguised himself as Annatar to deceive the Elves. It would be such a monumental breaking of the lore that it would be irretrievable as a series
The worst part for me about her manipulating Halbrand was that he gave what felt to be a genuine apology for what she went through, and then she manipulates him without a second thought.
@ The Hedgehod Driver I dont think she manipulates Halbrand at all, she doesn't even have the ability to do so i think. I am very sure it is the other way around. A lot of people will be surprised about Halbrand and who he really is. There is SO many clues up to this point. He is not used by Galadriel, it is the other way around.
@@jinparksoul Personally I don't think he is (or at least I hope he isn't because I feel it would undermine what character he has), but I can definitely see why its a popular theory. Personally, I'm thinking he's going to be the Witch King (or at least I hope so), but we'll see.
100% spot on Disparu. They cannot write like Tolkien because they don’t have the same moral compass. It’s like the Orc’s viewpoint of Middle Earth… Dang
I hate the way they're making out Galadriel suffered so much more than anyone. So her brother died. Sad. So did Elrond's brother. He chose to live as a mortal man and died of old age. Look at Elrond's background, he suffered just as much trauma and loss as her. His grandparents were murdered and then he was captured as a child by the very people who killed them. His mother was driven mad by a Silmaril and then jumped off a cliff to escape them (fortunately she got turned into a bird and flew to her husband...I know), and he was then raised by Maglor, one the sons of Feanor. The Elves who had caused so much pain, death and destruction. They could very easily have murdered Elrond and his brother. In fact, his mother had two younger brothers who "disappeared" at the hands of one of the Sons of Feanor. Yet Elrond is not a self-centred, revenge obsessed, amoral asshole. Her "pain" does not justify her actions.
The thing with Galadriel is that she almost feels entitled specifically because she's an elf. She looks down on all the people of Numenor because they're mortal, not even the king's forbidden room means anything to her. She acts like she knows better than everyone and that they're required to drop everything and bend to her will because she says so. If Amazon wants to show equality, then this whole elf supremacy route they're taking is really confusing to me.
Self-entitlement is a mindset famously attributed to the liberal writers. Seems that Galadriel behaves ideologically as the writers ideologically wrote. The problem with Galadriel being written as a character using "the end justifies the means" is that she is turned into a villainous ideological person.
No, she is written that way because that is how most females think and feel and behave. They are entitled, think everything should go their way, and literally think the entirety of all of existence revolves around them.
Agree. PS: Where did she get her armor back from!? She ditched it on the boat, jumped into the sea in her nightie, and then what? Ordered new custom Elfin armor from Amazon Prime? They can now make Elfish armor custom on the island in a day or two? Nonsense!
I was wondering that too. Why didn’t she get the plastic scales armour like everybody else? Or they suddenly learned to make one piece metal armour just for her?
While watching the show, I started to expect it to end with the battle in Mordor, where Isildur cuts off Sauron's ring, based on what they have shown so far. But at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they change this iconic scene, so that Galadriel will be the one to cut off Sauron's finger, based on her being a Mary Sue and all.
Or to have proper female representation, Frodo was originally female but changed into a male form as a child. Amazon's writers could easily point to their standard excuse "Tolkien didn't oppose this idea in the story" and do it. Then Frodo's accomplishments could be attributed to female inner strength as another feather in the cap of awakened plot writing.
You never know. Maybe we'll see Galadriel teaming up with Miriel to defeat Sauron and then Elendil's made-up daughter picks up Miriel's broken sword to cut the Ring from Sauron's finger. This sounds ridiculous, but honestly the way they've rendered the characters of Gil-Galad, Elendil and Isildur it's hard to imagine such a heroic moment made out of them (let alone the fact it would sideline all the female protagonists by an all-male victory).
While I agree with the nature of this comment. The iconic scene you're referring to was made up by the Peter Jackson trilogy. In the books, Isildur just show the ring from Sauron's hand after he was already defeated. Either way, we won't get a recreation of Peter Jackson's scene.
@@fangiscool1 To be fair, no one specified if Sauron was defeated or not when Isildur takes the ring, so it could apply to either version (though realistically speaking if RoP were to use one, it would be the Percy Jackson one). Then again, I forget if the cutting of the finger using the broken Narsil also happens to defeated book Sauron, or if Isildur just takes the sword and then takes the Ring.
@@fffffplayer1 Isildur does cur the ring with the shards of Narsil. The text describes Sauron as "thrown down." Pretty much everyone interprets this as sauron defeated in battle. I have no issue with you not believing this based on the language in the text, but anyone reading this thread should know that is a very rare belief.
She's such a girl boss that Sauron can't even be evil on his own, she has to force him to be evil. There comes a point when being responsible for everything becomes a fault. She's almost as evil as a Harfoot and that's saying something.
I think she is worse, Harfoots have a short life and are raised to steal the wheels from the old and infirm to ensure that the old and infirm are left to die. Galadriel has no such excuse as she is 1200+ years old.
The harfoots are the worst. But Galadriel is on another level. Such a travesty to the character. I’m routing for Halbrand/Not Sauron at this point 🤦🏻♀️
ye, preaching about toxic masculinity, yet look at what Galadriel is doing, how angry she is, how she is using everyone, how she makes tantrums, they totally destroyed what Galadriel should be - a very strong feminine energy. But writers don't even know anymore what that means, it is lost art.
Brilliant. Adding to what you said Tolkien had a strong moral foundation that he built his saga on. BUT, the post modern show runners for TROP have a completely different conception of what good and evil are, and that truth is ultimately subjective. For Tolkien, self sacrifice to combat evil and save the world while resisting temptation is the ultimate heroic act (Frodo and Sam). While in TROP self actualization and finding your own truth while tearing down the social structures that oppress is the ultimate virtue, (Galadriel). Tolkien has Catholic themes while the TROP is Luciferian. This is fundamentally why TROP show is having so many problems, it's an inversion of Tolkien's morality and the audience knows it. In LOTR Galadriel is the exact opposite of who she is in TROP and the vision she shows Frodo of what would happen if she took the ring is the Galadriel in TROP.
They are coming at it like a number of writers for similar characters as readdressing past wrongs hence why Galadriel and similar characters come off as indignant and full of self-righteous fury. They're angry rebels against the status quo. Therefore, whatever their character does and however they do it is justified because something, something patriarchy. They don't bother to think if their character is good because "of course they're good!" giving you a glimpse into the mind of the writers. This is true evil - not the cartoonish moustache-twirling character who relishes in their evil but the ones who are convinced they are right to the point they don't stop to consider the moral implications of their actions.
the irony is this galadriel perfectly portrays tolkiens concept of evil as shown in the legendarium. And I think it's telling that the people who made this show hold her up as the hero.
I think at 6:00 you perfectly summed up why I have found myself loving House of the Dragon more than Rings of Power. I was so SO excited for Rings of Power, whereas I was adamant I would hate HOTD because I was still bitter over how Game of Thrones ended. But after now watching both I felt so confused... how can I not be enjoying the one I thought I'd love but instead loving the other one? Well I think you summed it up right there. You've got the writing of the characters bang on.
In the '90s Somali conflict, the US military staged an extended operation just to save a couple of guys who survived a helicopter crash deep in enemy territory. "No one gets left behind." Meanwhile, the "good" and "noble" Harfoots: "Oh your cart got a bit stuck in snow? Too bad, guess you'll die!" Bit of bad luck? Lynch whoever's last!
They certainly wouldn't like their descendants who wouldn't even leave each other behind and kept on going even when one barely could and without much food and water.
I’d like to take a moment to remind everyone that Galadriel broke into an Ice Troll’s home, vandalised his stuff and then murdered him while he was exercising his right to defend his home from intruders. Never forget.
Probably because "all trolls are bad" according to her, even though we're explicitly shown that even orcs have good traits Galadriel racist against trolls?
Lol that’s funny and a great point! Maybe season 2 she’ll be brought up on murder/invasion charges and be represented by She-Hulk. She’d be put in elf prison for “ages” 😅
Guyladriel is gaslighting, guilt tripping and manipulating the Dark Lord into returning to villainy like Lady Macbeth. I'm rooting for him at this point. Everything Sauron does from this point on is on her.
I think Galadriel's character could work... Somebody that is impulsive, aggressive, strong, driven by anger and revenge desire... It would be perfect for a 15 years old anime protagonist. A 2000 years old wise elf witch... You had centuries to learn how to manage at least your own emotions... Same way, if you meet an inmature 40 years old man, you can somehow feel he would never change. I have a really hard time picturing her becoming the wise lady we all know and love...
Exactly. It's for this exact reason I only can shake my head when they said that there is going to be character development for this character later on. Character development for an Elf that's been around since before there was light and how many millenia? Any character she has been set in stone after this time. Character development my ass.
@@WillTRikerNo1 The thing is, if they actually read The Silmarillion they'd realize that most of her "development" already happened in the First Age. She learned patience and magic under Maia Melian in Doriath, and spent much of her time trying to avoid the Curse of Mandos. She also wasn't violent, believing that she had done nothing wrong to avoid being cursed along with the other Noldor.
@@WillTRikerNo1 yeah, I agree. The writers have a hard time picturing how an immortal race should be... They made an interesting point with Elrond, that did not show up in 20 years to visit his friend, and failed to understand how could that affect their friendship. But even that clever point, they decided to make it with the only elf that knows a lot about mortality. Elrond the HALF ELF. That CHOSE immortality while his brother chose a mortal life. One may think that medieval fantasy is easy but... It is clearly more complex than what those showrunners are capable of handling. Elves feel just like regular people with pointy ears... Their appearance, their way of speaking, the decisions they make... Even their strength, so easily submitted by a bunch of orcs... I can see nothing magical, or mystical or misterious about those elves... They even grow old apparently in this show...
Bitter (the mix of two of the core emotions: anger and sadness) people are actually becoming more bitter with age because of evolving disappointment. Bitter individuals often operate from a blaming and non-empathic perspective.
Guyladriel really makes me think of all the newb tables I've had as a dungeon master in D&D. They all want to be super power creeps and end up antagonizing the very NPCs supposed to help them just to prove a point. Simple solution is to beat the crap out of them with some random orc leader, take away their magic toys and put them in jail for a week.
The writers are subverting our expectations, they actually want the audience to hate all these characters,so we actually take saurons side to rid middle earth of all these miserable characters..it's a stroke of genius. The sooner the halfwits get written out the better
You're joking, but I think you might be right, at least in a sense. If this really is an attack on culture by "progressives" then attempting to tear down characters that people love fits right in with their historical mode of operations.
Remember the women of Marvel saying they preferred to write villains? Because they felt the villain had more freedom to be written in various ways compared to a hero? … this is what they’ve done in RoP. Galadrial is a villain because the writers have mistaken Their laziness, with the freedom to write what they want… and what they want, is sick in how they intend to achieve it.
This is so spot on I can’t even begin to express it. I think your point on the diverge in morals in society is key. Ruthlessness is too often rewarded in our society with personal progress. Tolkien was about the good guys winning against all odds due precisely to their high road approach. If the scriptwriters are jaded they couldn’t possibly empathize.
As an x-amazon employee, the mentality of "your always right" bleeds deep in the management structure of the company. They actually write it down in their training material.
Yeah Amazon and many other corps are under Blackrock and their degenerate overlords Larry Fink. He's responsible for ESG and DEI policies. Its a monster that needs to be slain!
As bad as things are at present, I think all these rigid, myopic giant corpo's will just inevitably crumple under their own ponderous weight before long. It just seems like they're not effective, in the long run. They just can't pry themselves away from these short-money strategies.
@@shiravalen My thoughts exactly. It doesn't seem like it would hold in the long term, and I wonder how steep the downfall will be if it actually happens.
It's interesting that the Social Darwinism of the Harfoots also mirrors the treatment of Amazon warehouse workers. Keep up or you're screwed and God help you if you get sick or injured.
Just when I thought the Galadriel character could not get any worse, episode five happened. The sword fighting scene made it totally impossible to suspend disbelief.
.. it was like watching a grade school production. The amount of political correctness is unmatched. In no way shape or form does RoP look like something that people actually believe could exist. Five widely diverse guys and a girl standing there to be taught to fight and seeing a thrust and twist sword motion is so bad that it's genuinely embarrassing. It's like a Western film where the protaganist tells an upstart, "There is much to learn about fighting, but for now, point at the enemy and shoot". It would be like the tank gunner "training" in 'Fury', where the guy purposefully dumbs it down and the audience knows it is and it contributes to the stress that Norman feels about being out of his league. In RoP there is no such understanding. It's terrible.
When I criticized Galadriel insufferable was the word I thought up on my own because... well I've never experienced a character as insufferable as her. So it makes me happy to hear people continuously describe her as being insufferable.
They're following five subplots in this episode and the most interesting thing that happens is Durin lies to Elves to steal a new table for his wife, and we are at that point as a society where I respect Peter Jackson for not wanting to use an authors life work as a platform for himself like Galadriel was one of the most powerful mages in Elvendom, but has been demoted to sword swinging superchick and she was so loved, that Gimli asked for only ONE strand of her hair. This "Guyladriel" makes you want her entire head on a pike!
Message to feminists: Here is the difference between the "women are the best at everything especially physical fighting and men are incompetent" feminists and women like me who live and work in the real world: any job outside of an office, be it a factory or construction site or emergency response - if the male coworkers are incompetent, it does not make women look better; rather, any incompetence can result in injury, disability and even death. For a woman to even have the desire to want her male coworkers to be incompetent makes me believe that she has the privilege of only having had to live and work in safe spaces where nobody's safety is ever at risk. It is a very immature attitude, and it does not reflect the real world!
@@CordeliaWagner Classical Liberal feminism is about equality. Post-modern feminism is about equity and transforming an "unjust" society....which includes what it means to be a man. Ergo men haters
@@CordeliaWagner No, feminism is another branch of marxism. It always has been a terroristic ideology of hatred against humanity and nature as god intended and it's fully endorsed by the fascist olligarquical class aka the 1% of the 1%.
@@CordeliaWagner nobody here is buying that anymore. I spent my life around feminists and most were resentful and in some way revenge seeking. They hate make competence and all pretend dudes are doofuses. All the while they try to act out a silly pantomime of masculinity and call it “girl bossing”. Feminism makes people miserable.
The funny thing is the only side of Galadriel they’re showing us is arrogance. Which isnt uncommon for Elves, we see a lot of instances of Elven arrogance in Tolkien. The Galadriel we know wasn’t arrogant so perhaps they’re going for the “she’ll grow into the Galadriel we know through the show”, which would be fine. But the biggest problem with her is that she’s one dimensional in this show. If we saw her grappling with having to be manipulative then that would at least give her some depth. Bht nope, she’s just vain, arrogant and manipulative because reasons. The writers seem to think “strong female” means “petulant”.
Guyladriel "The ends justify the means..." (Totally not) Sauron: "That is what Morgoth told me, too." ... Audience: "We root for (totally not) Sauron. At least he is not insufferable.-"
The ironic thing is that she's accidentally really well written as a villain. Many really good villains come from a "ends justify the means" perspective, "I have to be evil, it has to be done". The villain never thinks of themselves as evil. But we don't have a brave Frodo here who challenges and opposes this unstoppable force. Lord of the Rings was a story about small, innocent and selfless people being able to save the world from unfathomable forces of evil, through nothing but bravery and self sacrifice. In this series, that message seems to be turned on its head.
I disagree, GuyLadriel is a crap villain too. Think of the best villains, they are all charismatic and in many ways like-able. Darth Vader, Moriarty, Joker, Saruman, and if discount Aragorn really is Sauron, then great, I like him and want him to win!
"they could no longer distinguish me from the evil i pursue". Maybe that's because your character and your behaviors are indeed indistinguishable from the evil you supposedly pursued.
JRR Tolkien as a devout Roman Catholic could've given an entire lecture series on Catholic morality and that the end can never justify evil means, and that using evil means to achieve a good end only makes you evil yourself. And clearly the writers know nothing about morality or seem to care from their disgraceful actions.
When Finrod is telling her about ships and stones she says that "sometimes the lights shine just as brightly reflected in the water as they do in the sky" which basically saying that sometimes it's hard to decide what is evil and what is good, and he answers: "Sometimes we cannot know until we have touched the darkness". That scene happened when they were still in valinor under the light of the Trees. Like, WTF is that cursed idea that Finrod was telling her?? To know how to be good you have to touch darkness first?? This show is disgustingly evil.
He's too "advanced" 🤣🤣 He also told her that he would not be always around....like....what the hell will possibly happen to you in the Blessed Realms bro?
Oh yeah. Also don’t forget in Valinor they ‘knew only peace’ and ‘did not know death’, yet Finrod says he won’t always be around (why?), Galadriel has dark thoughts, kids bully each other and Galadriel beats kids up. So ‘peaceful’. And also, they quote about the starts reflecting sounded very familiar to me.. ‘You mistake stars reflected in a pond for the night sky’ Is a quote from The Witcher books, said by Vilgefortz. The bad guy.
Too an advanced concept for you? The ability to distinguish between good and evil sometimes needs trial and error. The show clearly wants to avoid oversimplified black&white. You see this in Galadriel, you see this with Numenor, the halflings, it is a core aspect of every part of the show.
@@falkenherz1708 which is bullshit. This is not game of thrones. Also as the previous poster said they were in valinor, which is elf heaven. There is no contrast or shouldn't be. The dialogues are shit.
I don't think I've ever seen Disparu more angry or frustrated.... I feel the same anger and frustration. That these talentless hacks would do this to something so beautiful AND BE FUCKING PROUD OF IT really really grinds my gears. Thank you for putting into words the feelings of all true Tolkien fans - let's hold the line (as George says) and keep the gate against these barbarians and destroyers
Me too. I'm beyond hate watching now, I accepted that Sauron is the good guy here and Guyladriel is not. With this premise the show becomes watchable random fantasy. Maybe the message of the show is "Sauron was right. The Empire was right. The First Order did nothing wrong. Horus was Right. Romulans are the good guys. Obey your overlords. " because that's what I get from it.
I love watching your breakdowns of shows. They always point out the total lack of morals in todays media and how backwards they have become. You are so right that Galadriel is completely evil and manipulative. She has no heart for anyone else, and if Halbran is Sauron, she is the one and only caused of all the evil events that occur from this point forward. How am I supposed to care for a character like that? How can I get invested in someone who could become the spark that lights the flint AND fires the gun? I am very glad that Tolken is not here to see his beautiful, complex and MORAL exploration completely destroyed by this current, me, me, me culture. Thank you for you input and I very much look forward to your next video.
Meekness vs Might. I think Tolkien's Christian value for the meek inheriting the earth and overcoming evil through good is not shared by the writers. They wrote a very instinctually human show, and so the story is not otherworldly or otherwise captivating in the way that Tolkien's is.
So spot on in this video! I really don't think the writers understand, either. They're terrible writers with a lack of maturity, emotional intelligence and as you've rightly pointed out -- no moral compass.
Its all by design. The same old SJW nonsense being shoved down society's throat to appease their commie banker overlords and destroy all that is good. Fight back by shaming,memeing,mocking,pointing and laughing at these imbeciles and make them reeeeeeee until they drown in salty tears! Lol
It's frankly scary. Tell me, would you feel safe under the leadership of the people who wrote the harfoots story into these first episodes? I know I wouldn't. It's like a cult that ritually sacrifices members to the "deity" of "community". They have the gall to solomnly remember the people that they left to die in the snow, etc., as if those people would choose to have anything to do with the group if they managed to survive. I feel like an outside observer looking in at what Left wing writers think is moral, and it's deeply troubling.
Lol I know its embarrassing, the writers didn't even take into account that the character they were writing was "thousands of yrs old" (we see her beat up a boy for destroying her boat when she's a child...then she's a moody 12yr old for the next thousand yrs 🤦♂️)
“….because you’re right.” Honestly, bro, you nailed one of the biggest problems on our society. Seems like many eople will do anything and everything to prove to themselves that what they think and believe is “right,” whilst rarely stopping to ponder how poorly they treat others in their pursuit of needing to be right.
When “right” is outside the boundaries of moral society that’s when you know it’s wrong lol. If morality is destroyed when fighting for something, then what are you fighting for? Agenda
Galadriel in the movies (Cate Blanchett) was mysteriously terrifying and beautiful. We clearly see her, we were told that she's one of the most beautiful and powerful elf, but at the same time, we dont really know her. She's close as well as distant. Including her voice and movement, it's endearing and warm, at the same time, cold and mystique. That's what made her alluring and dangerous to the viewers eyes. She's like a Goddess that could never be understood even if you try. Viewers become engulfed by this, they cant get enough of her because they cant really figure her out. The Galadriel of Rings of Power is different from the movies. She's beautiful and pleasant to look at, and the viewers clearly know she's one of the powerful elves out there in the story but this Galadriel is easy to figure out. Instead of Alluring, she's aggressive and almost too womanly, She's not like a Goddess compared to her movie counterpart. She says whats on her mind, she's blunt like a warrior while the movie Galadriel would somehow suppress her real emotions like an angel. I think thats the reason why fans are not too happy with the tv shows Galadriel. They are used to her being the Goddess like Elf that she is, that this flawed counterpart of hers ruins peoples imagination of what true Galadriel should be.
This is a fantastic comment. Blanchett’s portrayal is equal parts calm, commanding presence and endearing, warm, deeply encouraging, and comforting. And she does it all in short screen time. This Galadriel has an entire season of tv and she is just awful.
You are so right, the writers don't have the ability to recognize what being a good person actually entails! And to make it worse, they seem to think that bad traits are positive things to have!
I think the line has it's merits, I could probably imagine Eowyn saying it, maybe, in kind of a quiet, intense, way. But saying something like, "There is a tempest in my heart!", would probably have been better.
I just said to my friends: Galadriel is a whole other level of mary sue. She is deeply flawed, but every character accepts her in spite of that and she still gets what she wants. It's so twisted...So yeah, you took the words out of my mouth. I had hoped for a redemtion arc where she realises her errors, but it gets increasingly more unlikely....
It's not only that people accept it, it's that the writers move heavens and earth to make sure everything that should come back and bite her in the ass isn't, because she was right all along, so people comes crawling back to her and she can be smug about it. As I said in another thread, she doesn't have character flaws, because there's not a single instance where any part of her personality really effect her negatively. She doesn't need anyone else at all, except maybe row the boat for her, because that'd be beneath her.
You make a good argument for this Galadrial to be fake and is actually Sauron in disguise. It's why she jumped off the boat at the last moment. She can't get back to elf heaven so she has to wait until the last moment because she can't have the ship turn back.
I never understood that elve heaven? What's the point of going there? Is it only open to elves?.what do you have to do to go there? Do you die while in heaven?
To expand on the "insufferable" part of your description of Galadriel: Galadriel does not give a single tism about anyone else. She defies her king's orders. She forces her platoon into a snow storm and tells them to leave the stragglers behind. When she sees her "closest friend" Elrond after Illuvatar knows how long she blows him off and demands to talk to his superior. She has no idea who Halbrand is and yet still forces him to go east back to the Southlands. Her first meeting with Miriel she shamelessly insults their ships and DEMANDS they let her go after they saved her life. She treats every single person around her like they aren't worthy to kiss her feet. Galadriel is a selfish, arrogant, manipulative cow. And this is what the writers think a virtuous strong female hero is supposed to be.
Yep. She's a textbook case of a malignant narcissist, and Amazon expects us to believe she somehow undergoes character growth and becomes the Galadriel we see in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy? Yeah, nah. I've had narcissists like RoP "Galadriel" in my life. They dont change. They're fundamentally *incapable* of change
That's why we shouldn't call her "Galadriel" anymore. She's not Galadriel. She's a fake one or an imposter or Sauron in disguise... whatever. She's no Galadriel and I don't care about her "character arc" in this show. Call her Karen, Guyladriel, Xenadriel or Mary Sue. It takes good writing to "fix" her character and so far, the writing ain't good.
They'll try to pass us the "she was horrible before but after character deVeloPmeNt she's now turned into the LotR Galadriel" It will be so cringe when they try to pull that shit off, I'm sure of it
@@billy-the-butcher It's cringe because we all knew they are heavily relying on the fact that people watched Cate Blanchett's Galadriel and knew that this Guyladriel must have changed from this to that. Ugh. It's lazy because they made her so unrecognizable and so unlikeable that I don't care about the "character development" she'll take. This is no telling of Second Age Middle Earth afterall. Just a generic fantasy show. Tolkien already wrote her character arc beautifully.
@@BroadwayRonMexico I'm very seriously thinking of making a meme based on that "you have not seen what I have seen" line showing what Elrond went through and how ridiculous it is to expect a character like her to be carried only by fan sympathy because she lost soneone. The thing is, for most of us, that sympathy only goes so far. Yeah, she lost her brother. That works to a point, but not when she's plunged an entire country into a needless war to serve her own petty lust for vengeance. Not when she's inflicting that pain on countless hundreds or thousands of others for the sake of her own vanity.
I'm pretty sure she's a scholastic template for all future writers on how to NOT create a character that people give a shyte about. She just gives me a massive feeling of "meh" whenever she appears on screen (tho I do groan a bit if I think she's going to drop another "classic" one liner or talk at all).
I just saw RoTK in theaters with my kids and, jfc, the contrast is enormous. That film moves like music. The worst thing for the RoP showrunners is their audience either watching Jackson's trilogy or reading the books.
There are things about those films, changes I feel are awful and atrocious, but they look like the bloody Gospel, compared to how bad I know see it can get in an "adaptation"....
@@wolfmauler Still a work of art. Even peter regrets some of the decisions he made like faramir and denethors characters traits and the ghost army at minus tirith. Still it still a work of art in comparison 😊👍
She'd be able to use it to crush Isengard, Saurman, Mordor and Sauron no bother. Hell, she'll even keep it on her afterwards with no ill effects. Because she won't let anyone else tell HER what to do. Not even malevolent, sentient jewellery gets to order HER around!
You have said it perfectly - we would side with Sauron - we want Sauron to win... and that is incredibly bad - completely the opposite of what Tolkein would want. Can you imagine his thoughts on Amazon making Sauron the hero!!!
This is true, he definitely kept laying on the whole "aww but Im your friend" angle to get him to reveal everything. And last episode basically said if they died it would be his fault lmao.
@@disparutoo agreed, when the season is over I would love for you to do a full recap, almost documentorial, showing the first news, the reaction, the warning signs, the pushback, the trailers, the name calling, the comicon, the interviews, the release, the cor of the show and the ending. I would love to see you break that down
Galadriel is unlikeable and she doesn’t even look like an elf unless we see her ears. This show has too many issues. Time for them to announce that they are replacing the show runners and give season 2 a chance. PS. Great channel, love the awesome videos.
Would be so funny if they sacked the whole cast and started the entire series again from scratch. Second season is due to start filming in October 2022 ( just a few weeks off).
I believe that if this rendition of galadriel were to be tempted by the ring when frodo offers it to her, galadriel would fail the test miserable and fulfill self imposed prophecy by becoming the next dark lady. All will love (not) and fear her.
I'm beginning to think this show is more from Sauron's perspective and why he needed to create the one ring to control everyone and bring order. They even showed a more humane side to the orcs compared to the original LOTR trilogy. If that was the intention then truly brilliant a solid 7/10
I believe that's likely. If Sauron is who has been leaked to be, they are portraying him as being forced into it and was trying to escape being a bad guy. It's disgusting because he always chose that since he was in Valinor following Melkor.
Does Sauron/Halbrand just want to walk away from the past, and is it it Galadriel's incessant need to involve him that actually acts as catalyst for reactivating him to follow in Morgoth's footsteps? Is this what the writers are going with?
No man will be allowed any agency in this show...not even the Dark Lord himself. And if Galadriel is the one who puts Sauron back on the path to world domination, her character will be shattered beyond any hope of repair.
Okay, so. I normally wouldn't post a spoiler, but holy shit I'd rather your hateful idiocy not spread to others. Halbrand is not Sauron. Sauron is currently masquerading as Anatar, Lord of Gifts, who we have SEEN in the show. Galadriel can ruin her own show, without wildly inaccurate guesses from the peanut gallery.
This is my theory. All he's ever told her is please let me stay on Numenor because I want peace, I'm after peace. You don't know what I did or what I had to do to survive, how I got here. Don't make me go back there. Sounds like he wants a fresh start, literally just wants to forge as a hobby. If any of that's true, how is anyone to blame for it BUT galadriel.
@@Luciphell what anatar have we seen in the show exactly? Don't tell me it's Feminem white robed boobed person watching the landing site of non-Gandalf, because that clearly is other people that is looking for Sauron and not him
This reminds me of that remake of the "V" TV series that came out about 10 years ago. At first it looked great, had really good production values. But the huge problem that the show had was that all the people who were supposed to be the good guys were completely unlikable. I was rooting for the bad guys the entire time. The only reason I watched it up until it got cancelled was because Laura Vandervoort was one of the main characters.
Galadriel was the antithesis of the warmonger she’s being portrayed as. She abstained from the wars against Morgoth because of the destruction they left in their wake. That wasn’t just Galadriel’s take in that instance but it was her belief at large. Galadriel saw the hubris and conceit in Feanor early on, long before the Kinslaying, and she recognized those traits as destructive. This was Galadriel’s insight and wisdom that was so perceptive that we, as the audience, interpreted as a sort of prescience. Maybe there was some of that. But it’s more that she was so insightful and perceptive that she saw where certain traits would lead people. As in the case of Boromir. Galadriel’s impetus to go to Middle earth was at first ambition. But after Feanor her mission became to be a counter to Feanor as far as leadership. Galadriel was a strong and wise leader. She just wasn’t a warmonger. She was anything but. Her goal was to steer her kin away from war. Which is where Feanor’s path led. Galadriel was a preserver and nurturer of all things. It’s why Tolkien imparts her with so much wisdom. Galadriel has ‘seen much’. And what she has seen of war she wants to avoid at all cost. Galadriel seeking out war is so counter to everything about her character. Galadriel used Nenya to preserve all that surrounded her. Now Amazon has Galadriel seeking out war. It’s just wrong at multiple levels. Galadriel was never impetuous, and she certainly was no such thing by the second age. Anyone who tries to tell you Galadriel was anything else is just gaslighting. Finding some obscure passage about her ‘Amazonian disposition’ in reference to her capacity for sport is just reaching. Galadriel may have had considerable martial prowess. I don’t know, bc all we have is that singular reference. But the point is, being skilled in the martial arts does not make one a relentless warmonger. She feels a bit like Dany to me. Like they took Dany and transposed her over Galadriel. But of course instead of going mental at the end Galadriel will make the correct choices and finally realize the wisdom she has had all along. Galadriel was as close to a pacifist as existed in middle earth.
Quick comment: on Galadriel as a 'pacifist', IIRC Tolkien had her advising against war with Morgoth because she saw it as in vain without the aid of the Valar whom they had shunned by their departure from Valinor. She expected no aid from that quarter and only destruction... destruction that she didn't see ANY of herself since, as you mention, she wanted nothing to do with it, unless she saw it through a device like her mirror or a palantir. Evidently she didn't expect Earendil's quest nor its success or she didn't think it worth the cost. In any case, her main traits per Tolkien are the fact that she is TALL, enchantingly beautiful to be almost unmatched in beauty in the eye of any who might see her - man, elf, or even dwarf - and wise. And in AROP she is dwarfishly short, passingly attractive although her smiles are scary and she mostly scowls like a teenager rather than a woman with a millenia of experience herself who has learned from and trained with the Maia Melian for most of her time in Middle-earth, and her "wisdom" matches her behavior i.e. she has none and no one would respect or follow her anywhere ever. And she's a war-monger 😝 Man, what a waste!
@@Chamdar17 I heard someone say she was 6’4”- not sure how they came up with that number- but yea- from freakishly tall to almost a dwarvish 5 ft something- her countenance commanded respect- and her height just added to that- but Amazon’s Galadriel has neither of those
Question: Did she always have telepathic powers or did she eventually gain them at some point? I’m just curious why the show hasn’t established this power yet like they did in the film? Seems like a good tool to use when trying to convince people that a malevolent threat is coming, IMO lol.
@@AndromedaCeline IIRC Tolkien developed the concept of her powers as descending for, a) her tutelage under the Valar in Valinor, b) more especially her tutelage under the Maiar Melian while in Middle-earth (she actually uses powers specifically learned from her to destroy Dol Guldur after the War of the Rings), and c) her magical ring Nenya. To understand more about her powers relative to her tutelage under Melian, read up on the powers of Luthien, Melian's daughter. Again, Melian was a Maiar like Gandalf and Saruman and Sauron himself. The extent of her telepathic abilities isn't ever clarified but it seems to be rather minimal.
Saurons original goal was to bring about order to benefit the free people. However due to impatience and the incompetence of said people he began to turn evil, wishing to dominate others for the percieved greater good. This is pretty much Galadriels arc.
The Diminished Tolkien Epic Every one, every race, every place, every culture and all Tolkien's grand themes about civilization, mortality, heroism, self-sacrifice and good & evil are all diminished. The entire scope, grandeur and epic nature of Tolkien's canon is equally diminished in the director's obsession with interior close-up direction, a forgettable score and an utter lack of epic imagination from the writers of this series. The entire world shrinks in this pervasive diminution. The insufferable banality and narcissism of Galadriel's character only serves to shrink the story even more. Welcome to the hell of woke, intersectional films where the lack of imagination is only superceded by the arrogance of its producers.
I believe Amazon is just building up to the biggest plot twist in history. In the end Sauron will win and everybody who watched the show will be like: that was the most satisfying ending I ever saw.
I think Rings of Power has an everything problem. The script is so irreparably broken the only solution I can think of is to throw it out and start again.
Any good director would have sacked his entire writing team, knowing full well how bad it was going. I mean, one read of the draft scripts would have told, even the most simple minded director that it wont function and will not allow viewers to be immersed. The director to me appears to be Jeff Bezos.
@@sloht4061 Nah, even Bezos is distancing himself from this clusterfk, he said far and wide that the show runner "ignored his notes". Really this is just a 1B dollar project which is pocket change for either Bezos or Amazon, he let his minions deal with it while he was busy launching his phallic rocket into the skies
@@sloht4061 As ridiculous as it sounds, I'd agree that Bezos probably is arrogant and deluded enough to try and direct this thing himself. It's the only explanation for him employing underqualified staff; they do as he tells them to do.
@@sloht4061 I can image Jeff Bezos thinking that when you carpetbomb the cliënt with how awesome and terrific your product is the cliënt will swallow it. that is how he build his business. That billion dollars investment must have gone somewher but surely not into production.
Remember when Gil-Galad said that "a wind that seeks to extinguish a flame may also cause its spread"? I think that's exactly what's going to happen because Galadriel's arrogance probably will be what causes Sauron/Halbrand to be actively evil again.
Yes. And it's STUPID. I feel like it's a re-thread of SW prequels: "he turned evil because he wanted to f*ck but got cockblocked". The reasons and the motives Sauron has in Tolkien; him being a metaphor for industrialisation and coersion and modern day lifestyle where people are just used as cogs in the great machine that doesn't care about them, is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more interesting than "oh I got evil 'cause some pussy".
That sword fight training scene reminded me of a scene in Eclipse when Jasper is training the werewolves how to fight against the newborn vampires. Even Elendil bowed to her greater expertise, when he should have been training them. This show is all about her, and that's what ruins it. But you nailed it again. Great channel, and I always look forward to your videos.
I'm starting to feel that the Galadriel problem isn't even primarily the actress (although she is part of it), she's probably doing an okay job of reflecting the evil person represented in the screenplay. It wouldn't make sense if she delivered these words with beaming smiles and back-slaps. Edit: ahh you got there first at 13:00 :)
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I mention Deep Space 9 at one point and mean Babylon 5, oops. Either way episode 5 of Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power REALLY exemplified just how much of a disaster Galadriel as a character is, and this is someone meant to pull me into the series! Combine that with the Harfoots and the expectation that we think these characters are actually GOOD people, what are they thinking? Whose morality is this? But what do you think of Galadriel and the Hobbits? Let me know your thoughts below, and as always, thanks for watching :)
How could anyone with any integrity actually think that an empowered manly Galadriel would have been better than what we already know about her? Fucks sake, the destruction of her character should be criminal
B5 has so many Tolkien references, a great show which might unfortunately get a reboot.
Well, either one was infinitely better than 'Karendriel and the Killer Hobbits'.
well Deep space 9 also had good stories. Babylon 5 was better, but deep space 9 was still some of the best scifi we got.
@@haraldbredsdorff2699 I'd say DS9 was the better show, but Babylon 5 had the better story arcs, either way, both top tier series and so far above the drivel that gets pumped out these days.
Galadriel is just the most recent example of this kind of writing, where "strong female" to the writer evidently means "angry and/or violent female." They have zero clue what makes endearing characters.
They think this is what makes a woman strong because they believe this is what makes men "strong." These are the same behavioral traits that they say makes men "toxic." The truth is these writers don't hate anger, violence, and arrogance. What they are essentially trying to do turn the women into what they see men as so that they can flip the tables and make them the dominant ones.
"Hey, we want to make a strong female character. What do you think we should do?"
"Well, you need to take care to really focus on her development as a person instead of just making her a tough, physically strong superhero. You should probably start considering different facets of her character and how you'll tie them into her relationships, past, and the general themes of the story."
"Okay, okay, but hear me out: You know all those things that we say are super toxic in male characters? The extreme aggression, condescension, lack of empathy, and all that?"
"Yes?"
"Let's take those and make them her sole defining traits, and since it makes her look just as tough as the guys we can skip out on the work for character development without any genuine criticism at all, because obviously only misogynists would complain about her being strong."
"...BRILLIANT!"
@@VenathTehN3RD this show deserves a studio pitch video by that guy whose name I can't recall.
she sounds just like your average modern day toxic feminist.
@@IMP3TIGO "Do you have a TV series for me? Yes, sir, I do..."
Galadriel pulls the kind of facial expressions that should only be found in a demonically possessed woman in a third rate horror movie
Or when one is constipated and trying to take a dump.
Well she did say there was a tempest in her! Lol
She's literally nothing but a smug, condescending mary sue, and her face and expressions she makes is that of a feminist at a abortion rally. Snarky and nasty.
Correct. She is either possessed or mentally ill.
haahhaahhaahahahahahahahahahahah
Galadriel is in constant attack mode. She's never just, level headed and cool. ALWAYS on the off. It's quite exhausting to watch. She's got that crazy look in her eye, like all the time.
@VKR I just can't blame her for the character. I completely blame the writers that came up with that anime leap off a sword and tolkein elves huddling in the snow when they already showed legolas walking across the top of the snow unaffected by the freezing temperatures that stopped the rest of the fellowship in the movies.
I wish an orc would fix her teeth. Her lips dissappear when she tries to act angry
"Mediocre" is incredibly generous. Unless you're actually intended to grow to absolutely despise Galadriel and what an unbelievable, insufferable and vitriolic fem-bot she is. In that case, she's brilliant.
@@chaiboy854 She is a terrible actress though. I hate every scene shes in.
@@EldenLord. Aye, she's not really pulling it off is she. Galadriel is a character of stature, real authority. Needs a mature actress.
In an army, no man is not left behind. By letting someone behind she lost respect from her subordinates. Amazon's Rings of Power is not even Tolkien's LOTR. It's just plagiarism. Galadriel is worse than Sauron. All these characters are villainous, as well as the writers that wrote them. These characters have no honor. Most of them are narcissistic, selfish, self-centered, show offs, all the human flaws from the evil human nature, these characters have. They are evil. There's no other word but evil that get others killed. "No one left behind" means something to soldier, true warriors. Tolkien understood good v evil. For Tolkien good v evil were not relative, actions had consequences,& people reacted to actions being executed by people. Tolkien's real Galadriel was humble, meek, friendly, respectful. This version is not Galadriel, it's a perversion of her.
And having fought at the Somme, Tolkien knew what he was talking about when it came to combat.
Tolkien's Galadriel was not meek, and humble is debatable. She wanted to rule. I agree she was friendly and respectful. I will add she was compassionate.
🦇...These characters have no honor. Most of them are narcissistic, selfish, self-centered....🦇
when these terms are used four years of Trump administration springs to mind.
could it be possible that the film industry ( or Amazon Prime) took this as prime exemple of leadership?
@@ghyslainabel she wasn't meek, powerful leaders don't tend to be meek.
The first episode was so woke that the writers had to make her unlikeable in order to prove she was better than her male followers.
Liv Tyler on Arwen: "You don't have to put a sword in her hands to make her strong.”
I was recently watching the Two Towers extras and stumbled on the "From Book to Script" segment where they talk about how they realized they didn't need to make Arwen fight. Liv Tyler specifically says,
"I went right back into the book and into the appendix and what we came to realize was that you don't have to put a sword in her hands to make her strong. And where we've come to now is all these true elements of who Arwen is. I mean this is an incredibly powerful and fearless woman filled with so much hope and belief, and that is strong enough."
Except that they replaced Glorfindel with sword-swinging Arwen 🤣 that’s the worst part of the LOTR movies
Nooooo… strong women are basically men… but strongerrrrrr
...Arwen in LotR movies.... sucks a huge dick, and I don't mean just Aragorn's. Lemme explain:
1. In FotR, she serves to rob the Nazgul of the power and fear they should instill - it really takes away from the threat when one bimbo in a dress armed with a hilariously light, small sword can make NINE RINGWRAITHS PAUSE. Seriously, if it were nine HOBBITS on ponies they shouldn't be in any way phased by her! In the books; the Nazgul completely unphased even by Glorfindel, a well armed Elf who is a hero of many big battles and who murdered a Balrog!!!, and Frodo escapes only due to the speed of his horse and the power of the river.
2. In TT, the visions of her motivate Aragorn to persist through her power of instilling, via his morning wood, hope of sexual intercourse with some hot elven ass. And a happy life of regular sex with a neveraging hottie after the war is won. Problem is... in the BOOKS, Aragorn is motivated by the fact he has been born a King and he is determined to carry out his obligations to his people IN SPITE the fact he is aware his life, even if he wins, is going to be nothing but hard work and self-denial even if the war is won. He'd rather NOT do any of this and go bang the elven ass, but he denies himself the elven ass and goes to war anyway BECAUSE the obligation of being born a King is more important to him than anything. Getting the ass is presented as a SURPRISE to him in the books, not his HOPE and GOAL.
So, the whole POINT of the character of Aragorn in the books is going through with doing what you are obliged to do in spite of the detriment it will cause to your own life.
In the movies, however, he's cliche-hollywooded into a dude working extra hard to get the pussy he wants. How many times have we seen that? Yes, every movie ever made.
See how Arwen's involvement takes AWAY from the books here?
3. In RoTK.... is same as in TT, but we get the ugliest, most disgusting kiss ever put on film; with Aragorn's mouth going like that of a dying carp on the market. That alone is just NO.
@@gaijinhakase1575 one scene which in movie sense makes sense. We NEVER see glorfindel later in the books aside from feast in Rivendell maybe. Replacing him wasn’t that much of a loss for the movie. But in the same time it introduces Arwen earlier. And she doesn’t even get to swing her sword so what’s the harm?)
Glorfindel was an elf lord slain in battle with Balrogs in Gondolin who went to the Halls of Mandos, then left the Halls as a living elf again, and was sent back to Middle-earth before the Wizards to fight Sauron. He is one of the few Noldor left in Middle-earth who lived in Valinor during the time of them trees and thus existed in both the seen and unseen worlds. Arwen was never in Valinor and played no part in the story until her wedding to Aragorn. Glorfindel does not appear in the main story later as he is too hard to hide, unlike Gandalf, and the fellowship was a stealth mission.
The actual Galadriel in the actual LOTR was a super-chill lady who was so powerful that she had no need for the strong and independent meme, and so kind that she was simultaneously loved and feared. Read her interaction with Gimli the dwarf and where she stands down the rude interaction he first received. Then there is one thing for certain. This Galadriel in the Amazon debacle would have taken the one ring when Frodo offered it to her, and became the new evil ruling middle earth.
Wont be surprised if they try to make it that Guyladriel killed Isildur and orchestrated the ring goin to Gollum to Bilbo until Frodo where she can then give the phial of light thingy. Directed by Guyladriel starring Guyladriel for Guyladriel
@@jaypeadieL611 GuyLadrial ! Good one !
God dam dude...great point...would this Galadriel have taken the ring when frodo offers it to her...and they can't say the timeline is off because they are the ones who screwed it up...I think she would of taken the one ring..I dont think she would of thought twice..it would not of been to protect the free peoples of Middle earth she would of taken it to find and destroy saron for revenge...that is such a good point bro...she would of set the world on fire. You have to write that comment in the main thread..its amazing
So are we all in agreement then, that out of all the possibilities, Galadriel is the most likely candidate to be Sauron.
Well, except Sauron wasn't a non-entity at this point in Middle-earth history, he had served under Morgoth. But I agree that her character in the series behaves most like him! Sauron trapped in a tiny blonde elf-girl's body!
Too good a twist for these people to write
@@Titere05 It would be so woke to make Sauron a girl, Saurona.
@@timvanleemput5546 Technically Sauron is a genderless Demi god who can assume any form so it wouldn’t be impossible
@@Chamdar17 she identifies as a man.
Galadriel is a several-thousand year-old woman who somehow has yet to discover how to negotiate with people or selectively keep her mouth shut to avoid offending people, which are skills most real world humans learn by age 30.
Show writer 1 :"soooo...Elves live FOREVER!? no-freakin-way! Soooo... 🤔.. How does that work (derisive snort). 🙄
Show writer 2 :" 🤭thats soooo silly! I know!! 👏 That old guy.. 🙄.. Tok? .. Tul?? .. Whateverrrr... Must mean like how dogs age!! 👏 👏.. Like, ya know, 100 years for every year!!!!".
Show writer 1 :" YOU... ARE... A.... MAAAZZZINNGGG!!! 👏👏 👏👏👏".
The show writers then gaze into each others eyes...hot lattes and gluten free houmous and rice crackers are swept from their desks as they fumble with...... 🔞..... (shenanigans ensue). 🤮
I dunno, after thousands of years of dealing with humans, I'd be crotchety, too.
@@O1OO1O1 actually that’s fair
If I’m not mistaken, Galadriel was an accomplished politician by this point in her life. The sad part is that they not only changed the Lore, but they did it to absolutely ruin her as a character. One that is already a character that girls should look up to her if they just kept to her original life arc in the lore 😢
@@O1OO1O1 When in her past thousands of years has she dealt with humans?
"they could no longer distinguish me from the Evil I was fighting" -- She's not admitting that she was evil, nor even that she'd done evil (not the same thing); she's saying how *wrong* she thinks they were. "Poor me, I had to deal with all these people who were too stupid to see how good I am!"
Well put
You've taken that the complete wrong way lol
@@adamcaldwell5646 Are you sure? I didn't watch Rings Of Powers, but from what I can find from this quote, I think OP is correct because the quote says " *They* can no longer distinguish me from the evil I was fighting" she didn't say "I".
It's gaslighting to the highest degree
There is a subtle similarity between how Galadriel treats others who "disrespect her" and how the show runners treat the audience that "disrespects them". In both cases, they can do no wrong and it's the other person's fault for not seeing their greatness.
Underrated comment
That's a fact Pax! Its so predictable nowadays. Its injected in every facet of society. The same old drivel . Soon to be forgotten. I say bravo Bezos money well spent! Lol.
there IS a similarity, but there's nothing SUBTLE about it.
That's the copium called externalization. That's what Amazon gets for hiring writers more interested in The Message than actual storytelling.
And how some of the people who defend the show are treating the rest of us who see through it and know the show is trash.
I think Galadriel gives us insight into the ethics of the writers
this whole show is a reflection into who the writers really are
An apt analysis good sir. Showing us their true hubris by taking one of the most epic pieces of fantasy ever written and skull fucking it. Because they think they can do better. Lol
horse galadriel looks like a menstruation pad commercial
Maybe its the marvel writer who has nature girl murder a convenience store worker because she found litter with the stores name on it. Then she murders oil workers. Faces no consequence in the end even from the xmen.
You can apply that to the majority of entertainment our diseased culture produces. Most of it is degenerate, ideology pushing
Ironically in the end I will find Saron quite likeable. Afterall, he has a genuine plan , goal and not bossy.
I already prefer Sauron. I am team Sauron all day long. It's fucking sad when a show is so bad that most of the audience would rather see the villain win.
Not sure about bossy, but I genuinely agree with you on the rest of his characteristics.
The way she looks right into the camera while manipulating Halbrand is both creepy looking and a Freudian slip by the show makers; they're manipulating us, too.
Yeah I noticed that and it made me uncomfortable
that's the intent, yes. Doesn't help that they have all the manipulation abilities of a 5 year old kid, but yes they wanted to
It was strangely arousing... Or is it just me?
@@viktordoe1636 I mean some people are just into that sort of thing I suppose :D
@@viktordoe1636 ,
just you mate, get help.
She's literally written like a bad guy. This is what characters are written like when you're supposed to hate them.
This show is not just poorly written, it's villainous
Oh, it's both.
Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that Galadriel in fact is Sauron?
@@luciusknight9946 I’ve proposed that! As proof, I present the tree struck with corruption, leaving men to die, making demands and expecting obedience, and playing silly buggers with those poor Numenorean recruits.
@@luciusknight9946 that's the only way they can save this show
@@luciusknight9946 I'm sick of the awkward subversions of expectations that abound nowadays, but this, I like this.
This is why Eowyn was perfect in The Lord of the Rings she cared for her people and others, but also was kind In her dealings when she disagreed with others and fought like a lion when she needed not this Galadriel they ruined a great character.
@@SkullkeeperVSK and that was meant to be it was part of the prophecy she would fulfill cause no man could kill the witch king so It was meant to be.
@@SkullkeeperVSK Yep and she didn’t have to be a jerk to get peoples respect and be an amazing women.
But even that snappyness was a genuine reaction by someone who was constabtly judged and discouraged from what she loved and enjoyed.
So yes Eowyn is a "challange the traditional gender role" character. But done genuine and not turning her into a man for it.
She was just a warrior woman who defended what she held dearest.
But thats because she was written by Tolkien. And not neo-feminist writers.
She was perfect, unlike her soup
@@Keram-io8hv Thank you, made me laugh out loud remembering that scene just now!
The writing of Karadriel isn't just bad, it's practically plagiarism. A number of her dramatic scenes have been cut and pasted from Cate Blanchett roles: shots of Galadriel (obviously), scenes from her portrayal of Queen Elizabeth, scenes from her portrayal of Hela. They're trying to build an association between the two, and all it does is remind the audience that the lines were said elsewhere, in a better film, by a far superior actress. It doesn't help that Morfydd looks like a ferret whenever she's trying to look intense.
Her furious rabbit look reminds me of Hannibal Lecter.
I don't like Cate Blanchett, never did. She is just awful and has the face of a wine mom. I never liked galadriel, she creeps me out. So both actresses fit.
@@CordeliaWagner "I never liked galadriel, she creeps me out."
Boromir, is that you?
@@hamletksquid2702 these clips are the most I’ve seen her act, and I have to say what the ever loving fuck is the expression she’s going for?
Many of the shots and camera work in RoP were inspired by LOTR.
No need to simp for Blanchett. The main reason why Karaladriel sucks is because of the writing.
I am so happy that this terrible series is vastly increasing the wealth of yourself, Drinker, Az, Nerdrotic, etc, etc. All power to you.
Dunno about ‘vastly’. Not when you consider the truly prodigious sums wasted making this dreck.
They making bank 🏦 💰 thanks bezos.
@@sirrathersplendid4825 It's all relative! :-)
Just finished watching nerdrotic and drinker.
So, most people aren't watching these videos with uBlock Origin? Forget I said that... ;-)
They're basically making Galadriel the new Feanor - obsessed with revenge, arrogantly doubling down on her violent approach now matter how many people try to talk her out of it, threatening people to get ships, abandoning comrades on the ice - except Feanor actually got to make a few legitimately cool speeches (villain speeches, but very well written ones), and he was shown as a villain who tragically betrayed his potential and ruined everything.They're trying to show Galadriel doing these things and it supposed to make us root for her? If she does end up roping Halbrand into this fight and he is Sauron, they're also making her a mini Melkor in addition to a Wish brand Feanor. I can't decide if it would be worse if they did know the actual story in the Silmarillion and are clumsily trying to reference it, or if they're just that incompetent at writing characters who are good people in general.
It's extra insulting to Galadriel in particular to have her behaving like Feanor, given that she recognize his hubris even before the Kinslaying and deliberately led her people in Middle Earth in a way that was as far from Feanor's style as possible. She did not like him one bit, and that only deepened after his multiple betrayals and violent acts. She was supposed to be wise, even back when she was ambitious and proud perhaps to a fault. By the second age she was absolutely past any sort of pride she may have had when she left Valinor. They gave her such a downgrade in this show.
"a wish brand Feanor" 😂
Nah. At least Feanor and his sons swore an oath (though oaths doesnt seem to mean much in this alternative universe). Galadriel is simply being a bitch
I love this comment. It nails the entire problem with the show. i do not belive that Feanor, had he survived, could have grown up to become similar to galadriel in personality. I simply do not belive it.
Closer to Thorin
"From her earliest years, she had a marvelous gift of insight into the minds of others, but judged them with mercy and understanding, and she withheld her goodwill from none, save only Feanor." J.R.R. Tolkien
That's the real Galadriel! RoP Galadriel is selfish, foolish, and manipulative, to say the least. Excellent video, Disparu!
Do you mean she didn't beat up not-at-all-evil Elven bullies who would sink her boat to make her feel bad? (even tho at that point they all lived in total grace with no knowledge of evil or death before the first sunrise).
The "real" Galadriel from the books was also a Kin slayer and was suffering from a very real curse called "the doom of Mandos." She does not overcome this curse until she refuses the ring from Frodo late in the 3rd age.
@@Novusod Wait, she participated in the Kinslaying? I only remember that her and her family (House of Finarfin) just went with Feanor and then decided not to follow him after the ships were burned and the kinslaying began.
@@RedHood001-KA You are correct and Novusod is wrong. She did not participate in the Kinslaying.
She was admitted in Menegroth because she didn't kill anyone of the Thingol's people in Alqualondë
She barely hesitated to leave that guy behind. Imagine going into battle with her, how can you expect that she'll be watching your back?
The only way to turn the tables is to show that she is not Galllllladriel but Sauron, and the real Galadriel has been captured and be freed in the end.
But that plot twist is possibly not possible 😂
If the Halbrandy guy is Sauron no wonders why he decided to be evil, his motive will be to kill "Galadriel" the "Witch Karen of the Noldor". This "show" makes you literally want him to destroy the witch and also makes you want to support the baddies.
Even the "we are the always good hearted Hobobbits" of this show are so evil that you want to see them suffer after a minute of them being on screen. This show is not bad, this show is a fragment of the corrupted song that Melkor sang in the Hall of Eru/Iluvatar that one time.
Ha ha ha ha ha! Well said friend! Ha ha ha ha ha!
damn. I can't believe it lol
He is a bit halbrandy to be fair
Tolkien’s stories were built on a foundation of good vs evil. Writers who don’t believe good and evil exist can’t write in this world
Tolkien technically said they did that only for simplification. Introducing morally grey elements isn’t necessarily bad as long as they’re in character and the story isn’t biased.
@@cosmicspacething3474 so the point of your comment was to... nitpick?
Discuss the finer points of Tolkiens aims?
Seems like you just had an excuse to write something and so just went for it.
Sorry if I happen to write a little bluntly, I know that I tend to have a certain way with words, but I also just so happen to be curious
Amen, that's the crux the modern world can never ever come to fully realize. Guess which side they're on? LOL.
@@M4dM4n96 you have to go back to Reddit dumbass
@@cosmicspacething3474 if any grayness was to be inserted, it was to be put where Tolkien put it - in the evil people, who initially aren't entirely corrupt. The problem with "morally grey" in Tolkien's world is that you need to tread very very VERY LIGHTLY and keep future in mind as well as past in order for the storyline to converge without contrivances.
What do I mean? Lemme explain: when Gandalf realizes the Ring is THE Ring, he sends Frodo to Rivendell because he trusts Elrond with the Ring; and he goes to consult Saruman because he trusts Saruman; and the Fellowship goes to Lorien to seek protection and advice from Galadriel because Aragorn trusts Galadriel once Gandalf gets killed.
Now, this storyline relies ENTIRELY on the characters in question - Gandalf, Galadriel, Elrond, Aragorn, even Saruman - being initally morally SOUND, because otherwise, who ever puts trust in either of them is a blithering idiot. If Elrond was a conniving politician who worked by betraying his friends; Gandalf would be an idiot to send the Ring to him. If Galadriel was ready to walk over people for revenge, Aragorn would be a fool to let the Ring come anywhere near her. If Saruman was stupid enough to let anyone see his "turn to the dark side" (like in the Hobbit movies, also stupid), Gandalf would be a total jerk to come to him with the news of the Ring.
See the entire PLOT is based on the CHARACTERS, as it SHOULD be; and then if you change the character of the characters, it stops working and everyone turns into an idiot. Like RoP achieved in less than 5 episodes. And no, you can't just "redeem" your characters later so that after a lifetime of betrayal and treachery they're suddenly nice and trustworthy - sorry, that's not how it works. The only place that works in are YA novels, because the characters are 12, so it's believable they're genuinely a different person by the time they're 25.
"patience and kindness are for the weak and incompetent, and only the strong and capable are right" could be a motto for this show's good characters, and every standard evil overlord's excuse for his/her atrocities in most fantasy books.
The way Galadriel is characterized it's as if the writers watched The Fellowship of the Ring and believe that Galadriel speaking when she's tempted by the One Ring is her true personality.
Exactly!
"If it feels good, do it. It's awesome, you are you. Be yourself."
Does that make "NYAGH" Bilbos true personality? Damn.
@@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm 😂 I guess so!
@@theredheadwiththread1275 😂
The inexplicable becomes explicable when you realize that Galadriel is Sauron in disguise. The real Galadriel is still trapped, like Mad-eye Moody, back at the ice castle. And Halbrand is just a pawn to consolidate power. Nancy Drew will sort it all out eventually.
Makes a lot of sense!
But would be ridiculous, because Sauron disguised himself as Annatar to deceive the Elves. It would be such a monumental breaking of the lore that it would be irretrievable as a series
@@adm5618 I was mostly joking, but at this point isn't it already irretrievable?
That actually makes a lot of sense lol...
I think you just came up with the ONLY way you could save this character/show. That’s sad… great humorous point!
The worst part for me about her manipulating Halbrand was that he gave what felt to be a genuine apology for what she went through, and then she manipulates him without a second thought.
It certainly did feel like a scene of genuine female manipulation of a male, the kind that occurs pretty regularly in our own world. *shrug*
Witchcraft spirit...that's what this character is demonstrating. Extreme self-righteousness, manipulation, control.
@ The Hedgehod Driver I dont think she manipulates Halbrand at all, she doesn't even have the ability to do so i think. I am very sure it is the other way around. A lot of people will be surprised about Halbrand and who he really is. There is SO many clues up to this point. He is not used by Galadriel, it is the other way around.
Halbrand is manipulating her since Halbrand is the shapeshifting Sauron. There are clues throughout if you pay close attention.
@@jinparksoul Personally I don't think he is (or at least I hope he isn't because I feel it would undermine what character he has), but I can definitely see why its a popular theory. Personally, I'm thinking he's going to be the Witch King (or at least I hope so), but we'll see.
"Why do you keep fighting?" ... "Because I cannot stop." ... Riveting. Amazing. Awesome writing.
uncontrollable psychopath?
She needs to take an Ex lax and get that tempest out of her. Lol.
👏👏👏
@@harlanmonk569 Or viagra.
But why you can't stop?
100% spot on Disparu. They cannot write like Tolkien because they don’t have the same moral compass. It’s like the Orc’s viewpoint of Middle Earth… Dang
You're right. The orcs look like the good ones here! The elven king (a manipulative liar) and his "watch towers" feel more dictatorial than anything.
They cannot write like Tolkien because they aren't Tolkien.....ffs, just having a proper moral compass doesn't mean you can write like Tolkien
@@pyropulseIXXI At the root of Tolkien's creation and its spirit is his moral compass.
@@pyropulseIXXI That may be true, but you can't write like him without it.
The ROP (and every other crap woke reboot) is what it looks like when vulnerable narcissists are in charge of the entire (re)creation process.
I hate the way they're making out Galadriel suffered so much more than anyone. So her brother died. Sad. So did Elrond's brother. He chose to live as a mortal man and died of old age.
Look at Elrond's background, he suffered just as much trauma and loss as her. His grandparents were murdered and then he was captured as a child by the very people who killed them. His mother was driven mad by a Silmaril and then jumped off a cliff to escape them (fortunately she got turned into a bird and flew to her husband...I know), and he was then raised by Maglor, one the sons of Feanor. The Elves who had caused so much pain, death and destruction.
They could very easily have murdered Elrond and his brother. In fact, his mother had two younger brothers who "disappeared" at the hands of one of the Sons of Feanor. Yet Elrond is not a self-centred, revenge obsessed, amoral asshole. Her "pain" does not justify her actions.
The thing with Galadriel is that she almost feels entitled specifically because she's an elf. She looks down on all the people of Numenor because they're mortal, not even the king's forbidden room means anything to her. She acts like she knows better than everyone and that they're required to drop everything and bend to her will because she says so. If Amazon wants to show equality, then this whole elf supremacy route they're taking is really confusing to me.
I wonder if they will turn this into a flaw which she will eventually see major consequences. She is a big contrast to ho Elrond approaches people.
Self-entitlement is a mindset famously attributed to the liberal writers. Seems that Galadriel behaves ideologically as the writers ideologically wrote. The problem with Galadriel being written as a character using "the end justifies the means" is that she is turned into a villainous ideological person.
Rings of Power is pretty damn racist if you ask me.
@@tubbywumbkinsl3846 That you think the writers are capable of that says more about your generous nature than their ability.
No, she is written that way because that is how most females think and feel and behave. They are entitled, think everything should go their way, and literally think the entirety of all of existence revolves around them.
Agree. PS: Where did she get her armor back from!? She ditched it on the boat, jumped into the sea in her nightie, and then what? Ordered new custom Elfin armor from Amazon Prime? They can now make Elfish armor custom on the island in a day or two? Nonsense!
I was wondering that too. Why didn’t she get the plastic scales armour like everybody else? Or they suddenly learned to make one piece metal armour just for her?
To be fair, it appears that all of the costumes were ordered on Amazon Prime.
While watching the show, I started to expect it to end with the battle in Mordor, where Isildur cuts off Sauron's ring, based on what they have shown so far. But at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they change this iconic scene, so that Galadriel will be the one to cut off Sauron's finger, based on her being a Mary Sue and all.
Or to have proper female representation, Frodo was originally female but changed into a male form as a child. Amazon's writers could easily point to their standard excuse "Tolkien didn't oppose this idea in the story" and do it. Then Frodo's accomplishments could be attributed to female inner strength as another feather in the cap of awakened plot writing.
You never know. Maybe we'll see Galadriel teaming up with Miriel to defeat Sauron and then Elendil's made-up daughter picks up Miriel's broken sword to cut the Ring from Sauron's finger.
This sounds ridiculous, but honestly the way they've rendered the characters of Gil-Galad, Elendil and Isildur it's hard to imagine such a heroic moment made out of them (let alone the fact it would sideline all the female protagonists by an all-male victory).
While I agree with the nature of this comment. The iconic scene you're referring to was made up by the Peter Jackson trilogy. In the books, Isildur just show the ring from Sauron's hand after he was already defeated. Either way, we won't get a recreation of Peter Jackson's scene.
@@fangiscool1 To be fair, no one specified if Sauron was defeated or not when Isildur takes the ring, so it could apply to either version (though realistically speaking if RoP were to use one, it would be the Percy Jackson one).
Then again, I forget if the cutting of the finger using the broken Narsil also happens to defeated book Sauron, or if Isildur just takes the sword and then takes the Ring.
@@fffffplayer1 Isildur does cur the ring with the shards of Narsil. The text describes Sauron as "thrown down." Pretty much everyone interprets this as sauron defeated in battle. I have no issue with you not believing this based on the language in the text, but anyone reading this thread should know that is a very rare belief.
She's such a girl boss that Sauron can't even be evil on his own, she has to force him to be evil.
There comes a point when being responsible for everything becomes a fault.
She's almost as evil as a Harfoot and that's saying something.
I’m pretty sure as some point it will be Sauron’s fault that she’s evil.
Mark my words.
I think she is worse, Harfoots have a short life and are raised to steal the wheels from the old and infirm to ensure that the old and infirm are left to die. Galadriel has no such excuse as she is 1200+ years old.
thats pretty much what the meaning of original sin is.
shes so manipulative, in a incredibly badly written way, she like the epitome of the modern female
The harfoots are the worst. But Galadriel is on another level. Such a travesty to the character. I’m routing for Halbrand/Not Sauron at this point 🤦🏻♀️
This is how the writers view leadership and how to advance their careers
ye, preaching about toxic masculinity, yet look at what Galadriel is doing, how angry she is, how she is using everyone, how she makes tantrums, they totally destroyed what Galadriel should be - a very strong feminine energy. But writers don't even know anymore what that means, it is lost art.
Bunch of self inserts here.
Brilliant. Adding to what you said Tolkien had a strong moral foundation that he built his saga on. BUT, the post modern show runners for TROP have a completely different conception of what good and evil are, and that truth is ultimately subjective. For Tolkien, self sacrifice to combat evil and save the world while resisting temptation is the ultimate heroic act (Frodo and Sam). While in TROP self actualization and finding your own truth while tearing down the social structures that oppress is the ultimate virtue, (Galadriel). Tolkien has Catholic themes while the TROP is Luciferian. This is fundamentally why TROP show is having so many problems, it's an inversion of Tolkien's morality and the audience knows it. In LOTR Galadriel is the exact opposite of who she is in TROP and the vision she shows Frodo of what would happen if she took the ring is the Galadriel in TROP.
They are coming at it like a number of writers for similar characters as readdressing past wrongs hence why Galadriel and similar characters come off as indignant and full of self-righteous fury. They're angry rebels against the status quo. Therefore, whatever their character does and however they do it is justified because something, something patriarchy. They don't bother to think if their character is good because "of course they're good!" giving you a glimpse into the mind of the writers. This is true evil - not the cartoonish moustache-twirling character who relishes in their evil but the ones who are convinced they are right to the point they don't stop to consider the moral implications of their actions.
@@RoninDave well said
the irony is this galadriel perfectly portrays tolkiens concept of evil as shown in the legendarium. And I think it's telling that the people who made this show hold her up as the hero.
She is NOT A HERO!!!!!!! D:
Tolkien's Message: its the small thing in life that keeps evil at bay
Rings of Power's message: Any means is necessary
I didn't know Niccolò Machiavelli was a contributing writer for the show.
I think at 6:00 you perfectly summed up why I have found myself loving House of the Dragon more than Rings of Power. I was so SO excited for Rings of Power, whereas I was adamant I would hate HOTD because I was still bitter over how Game of Thrones ended. But after now watching both I felt so confused... how can I not be enjoying the one I thought I'd love but instead loving the other one? Well I think you summed it up right there. You've got the writing of the characters bang on.
I couldn’t have expressed my own feelings better
In the '90s Somali conflict, the US military staged an extended operation just to save a couple of guys who survived a helicopter crash deep in enemy territory. "No one gets left behind." Meanwhile, the "good" and "noble" Harfoots: "Oh your cart got a bit stuck in snow? Too bad, guess you'll die!" Bit of bad luck? Lynch whoever's last!
They certainly wouldn't like their descendants who wouldn't even leave each other behind and kept on going even when one barely could and without much food and water.
Remove their wheels? So they can't follow us, so much for not leaving anyone behind.
There is a movie about it: Black Hawk Down. It's really good, topics like loyalty, bravery and heroism.
I wish the current administration had the same intestinal fortitude about not leaving people behind.
They are pure evil. Servants of Melkor.
I’d like to take a moment to remind everyone that Galadriel broke into an Ice Troll’s home, vandalised his stuff and then murdered him while he was exercising his right to defend his home from intruders.
Never forget.
🤣
Probably because "all trolls are bad" according to her, even though we're explicitly shown that even orcs have good traits
Galadriel racist against trolls?
Lol that’s funny and a great point! Maybe season 2 she’ll be brought up on murder/invasion charges and be represented by She-Hulk. She’d be put in elf prison for “ages” 😅
Get it?… “Ages”? You know, cause it’s middle earth? ….Anybody? 🦗
And when she takes the stand every answer is, “there was a tempest in me!” 😂…. Sorry, having a great time with this show concept in my brain
Guyladriel is gaslighting, guilt tripping and manipulating the Dark Lord into returning to villainy like Lady Macbeth. I'm rooting for him at this point. Everything Sauron does from this point on is on her.
I think Galadriel's character could work... Somebody that is impulsive, aggressive, strong, driven by anger and revenge desire...
It would be perfect for a 15 years old anime protagonist.
A 2000 years old wise elf witch... You had centuries to learn how to manage at least your own emotions... Same way, if you meet an inmature 40 years old man, you can somehow feel he would never change. I have a really hard time picturing her becoming the wise lady we all know and love...
Galadriel, we have to turn back!
Galadriel: tatakae!
Exactly. It's for this exact reason I only can shake my head when they said that there is going to be character development for this character later on. Character development for an Elf that's been around since before there was light and how many millenia? Any character she has been set in stone after this time. Character development my ass.
@@WillTRikerNo1 The thing is, if they actually read The Silmarillion they'd realize that most of her "development" already happened in the First Age. She learned patience and magic under Maia Melian in Doriath, and spent much of her time trying to avoid the Curse of Mandos. She also wasn't violent, believing that she had done nothing wrong to avoid being cursed along with the other Noldor.
@@WillTRikerNo1 yeah, I agree. The writers have a hard time picturing how an immortal race should be... They made an interesting point with Elrond, that did not show up in 20 years to visit his friend, and failed to understand how could that affect their friendship. But even that clever point, they decided to make it with the only elf that knows a lot about mortality. Elrond the HALF ELF. That CHOSE immortality while his brother chose a mortal life.
One may think that medieval fantasy is easy but... It is clearly more complex than what those showrunners are capable of handling.
Elves feel just like regular people with pointy ears... Their appearance, their way of speaking, the decisions they make... Even their strength, so easily submitted by a bunch of orcs... I can see nothing magical, or mystical or misterious about those elves... They even grow old apparently in this show...
Bitter (the mix of two of the core emotions: anger and sadness) people are actually becoming more bitter with age because of evolving disappointment. Bitter individuals often operate from a blaming and non-empathic perspective.
It's an overdose of problems. At this point it's beyond counting. The problemo-meter exploded 3 episodes ago.
problemo-meter lol and yeah you're right
Guyladriel really makes me think of all the newb tables I've had as a dungeon master in D&D. They all want to be super power creeps and end up antagonizing the very NPCs supposed to help them just to prove a point. Simple solution is to beat the crap out of them with some random orc leader, take away their magic toys and put them in jail for a week.
Morgoth did nothing wrong
Its OK to be a White orc
And Sauron can not stop
Lol Tolkien rolling in his grave
The winners write the history books.
He didn't kill guyladriel 😪
The writers are subverting our expectations, they actually want the audience to hate all these characters,so we actually take saurons side to rid middle earth of all these miserable characters..it's a stroke of genius. The sooner the halfwits get written out the better
You're joking, but I think you might be right, at least in a sense.
If this really is an attack on culture by "progressives" then attempting to tear down characters that people love fits right in with their historical mode of operations.
Exactly :)
I agree but a simpler explanation is it is crap!
You just might be right. I know I'm rooting for Sauron. 🎉
Remember the women of Marvel saying they preferred to write villains? Because they felt the villain had more freedom to be written in various ways compared to a hero?
… this is what they’ve done in RoP. Galadrial is a villain because the writers have mistaken Their laziness, with the freedom to write what they want… and what they want, is sick in how they intend to achieve it.
This is so spot on I can’t even begin to express it. I think your point on the diverge in morals in society is key. Ruthlessness is too often rewarded in our society with personal progress. Tolkien was about the good guys winning against all odds due precisely to their high road approach. If the scriptwriters are jaded they couldn’t possibly empathize.
As an x-amazon employee, the mentality of "your always right" bleeds deep in the management structure of the company. They actually write it down in their training material.
Yeah Amazon and many other corps are under Blackrock and their degenerate overlords Larry Fink. He's responsible for ESG and DEI policies. Its a monster that needs to be slain!
As bad as things are at present, I think all these rigid, myopic giant corpo's will just inevitably crumple under their own ponderous weight before long. It just seems like they're not effective, in the long run. They just can't pry themselves away from these short-money strategies.
@@shiravalen My thoughts exactly. It doesn't seem like it would hold in the long term, and I wonder how steep the downfall will be if it actually happens.
It's interesting that the Social Darwinism of the Harfoots also mirrors the treatment of Amazon warehouse workers. Keep up or you're screwed and God help you if you get sick or injured.
That’s pretty disturbing considering “your” is used improperly in the contract lol
Just when I thought the Galadriel character could not get any worse, episode five happened. The sword fighting scene made it totally impossible to suspend disbelief.
.. it was like watching a grade school production. The amount of political correctness is unmatched. In no way shape or form does RoP look like something that people actually believe could exist. Five widely diverse guys and a girl standing there to be taught to fight and seeing a thrust and twist sword motion is so bad that it's genuinely embarrassing. It's like a Western film where the protaganist tells an upstart, "There is much to learn about fighting, but for now, point at the enemy and shoot". It would be like the tank gunner "training" in 'Fury', where the guy purposefully dumbs it down and the audience knows it is and it contributes to the stress that Norman feels about being out of his league. In RoP there is no such understanding. It's terrible.
My breaking point was when she manipulated Halbrand. Twice.
It was so bad
Am I the only one that can see how unathletic she is as well in the fighting scenes I can't take any fight seriously
@@gizzad Her home economics teacher said, “Galadriel, you sew bad.”
When I criticized Galadriel insufferable was the word I thought up on my own because... well I've never experienced a character as insufferable as her. So it makes me happy to hear people continuously describe her as being insufferable.
They're following five subplots in this episode and the most interesting thing that happens is Durin lies to Elves to steal a new table for his wife, and we are at that point as a society where I respect Peter Jackson for not wanting to use an authors life work as a platform for himself like Galadriel was one of the most powerful mages in Elvendom, but has been demoted to sword swinging superchick and she was so loved, that Gimli asked for only ONE strand of her hair. This "Guyladriel" makes you want her entire head on a pike!
Lol you copy and paste this from the last video🤣😂🤣
she gave him 3, she gave him 3.
PJ merely turned them into action movies.
And have you forgotten when he made Eowyn say ''I am no man'' right before she stabbed the Witch King?
@@reek4062 Like she did in the book
@@JordanS215 lmao I know I had to said it again to let people know how much I hate this show
Message to feminists: Here is the difference between the "women are the best at everything especially physical fighting and men are incompetent" feminists and women like me who live and work in the real world: any job outside of an office, be it a factory or construction site or emergency response - if the male coworkers are incompetent, it does not make women look better; rather, any incompetence can result in injury, disability and even death.
For a woman to even have the desire to want her male coworkers to be incompetent makes me believe that she has the privilege of only having had to live and work in safe spaces where nobody's safety is ever at risk. It is a very immature attitude, and it does not reflect the real world!
Men haters are not feminists. Feminism is about equality.
@@CordeliaWagner Classical Liberal feminism is about equality.
Post-modern feminism is about equity and transforming an "unjust" society....which includes what it means to be a man. Ergo men haters
Feminism always has been a terroristic ideology of hatred against humanity and nature as god intended; it is just another branch of marxism.
@@CordeliaWagner No, feminism is another branch of marxism. It always has been a terroristic ideology of hatred against humanity and nature as god intended and it's fully endorsed by the fascist olligarquical class aka the 1% of the 1%.
@@CordeliaWagner nobody here is buying that anymore. I spent my life around feminists and most were resentful and in some way revenge seeking. They hate make competence and all pretend dudes are doofuses. All the while they try to act out a silly pantomime of masculinity and call it “girl bossing”. Feminism makes people miserable.
The funny thing is the only side of Galadriel they’re showing us is arrogance. Which isnt uncommon for Elves, we see a lot of instances of Elven arrogance in Tolkien. The Galadriel we know wasn’t arrogant so perhaps they’re going for the “she’ll grow into the Galadriel we know through the show”, which would be fine. But the biggest problem with her is that she’s one dimensional in this show. If we saw her grappling with having to be manipulative then that would at least give her some depth. Bht nope, she’s just vain, arrogant and manipulative because reasons. The writers seem to think “strong female” means “petulant”.
Guyladriel "The ends justify the means..."
(Totally not) Sauron: "That is what Morgoth told me, too."
...
Audience: "We root for (totally not) Sauron. At least he is not insufferable.-"
The ironic thing is that she's accidentally really well written as a villain. Many really good villains come from a "ends justify the means" perspective, "I have to be evil, it has to be done". The villain never thinks of themselves as evil. But we don't have a brave Frodo here who challenges and opposes this unstoppable force.
Lord of the Rings was a story about small, innocent and selfless people being able to save the world from unfathomable forces of evil, through nothing but bravery and self sacrifice. In this series, that message seems to be turned on its head.
She really does a lot of non-sympathetic "the end justifies the means" responses. It's like she had NO ETHICS.
would be funny if she goes full Handsome Jack at some point.
I am the goddamn hero!
I disagree, GuyLadriel is a crap villain too. Think of the best villains, they are all charismatic and in many ways like-able. Darth Vader, Moriarty, Joker, Saruman, and if discount Aragorn really is Sauron, then great, I like him and want him to win!
@@etiennedevignolles7538 most of your villains aren't really charismatic..
@@svenlauke1190
We'll have to disagree. Which villains would you choose?
"they could no longer distinguish me from the evil i pursue".
Maybe that's because your character and your behaviors are indeed indistinguishable from the evil you supposedly pursued.
Galadriel would be a great ally to Sauron. She actually could teach him a few tricks like she taught the numenoreans how to swordfight.
Ha ha ha ha! She's the bestest swordfighter like literally! BA ha ha ha!
If Halbrand is Sauron then she is WAY more evil and vile than Sauron. There's no comparison.
Yeah like don't expose your RING hand to someone who has a blade 😆
They managed to achieve the unthinkable: I'm rooting for Sauron and the orcs.
Gotta give it to them, that takes something. I'm not gonna a say talent, but it takes something lol
"We need a new plague."
Why is that every attempt at creating a strong heroine inevitably ends up creating a psychopath nowadays?
JRR Tolkien as a devout Roman Catholic could've given an entire lecture series on Catholic morality and that the end can never justify evil means, and that using evil means to achieve a good end only makes you evil yourself. And clearly the writers know nothing about morality or seem to care from their disgraceful actions.
When Finrod is telling her about ships and stones she says that "sometimes the lights shine just as brightly reflected in the water as they do in the sky" which basically saying that sometimes it's hard to decide what is evil and what is good, and he answers: "Sometimes we cannot know until we have touched the darkness". That scene happened when they were still in valinor under the light of the Trees. Like, WTF is that cursed idea that Finrod was telling her?? To know how to be good you have to touch darkness first?? This show is disgustingly evil.
He's too "advanced" 🤣🤣
He also told her that he would not be always around....like....what the hell will possibly happen to you in the Blessed Realms bro?
Oh yeah. Also don’t forget in Valinor they ‘knew only peace’ and ‘did not know death’, yet Finrod says he won’t always be around (why?), Galadriel has dark thoughts, kids bully each other and Galadriel beats kids up. So ‘peaceful’.
And also, they quote about the starts reflecting sounded very familiar to me..
‘You mistake stars reflected in a pond for the night sky’
Is a quote from The Witcher books, said by Vilgefortz. The bad guy.
Too an advanced concept for you? The ability to distinguish between good and evil sometimes needs trial and error. The show clearly wants to avoid oversimplified black&white. You see this in Galadriel, you see this with Numenor, the halflings, it is a core aspect of every part of the show.
Actually, you cant be a good person until you've experienced evil. Only when faced with evil can you test your resolve.
@@falkenherz1708 which is bullshit. This is not game of thrones. Also as the previous poster said they were in valinor, which is elf heaven. There is no contrast or shouldn't be. The dialogues are shit.
I don't think I've ever seen Disparu more angry or frustrated.... I feel the same anger and frustration. That these talentless hacks would do this to something so beautiful AND BE FUCKING PROUD OF IT really really grinds my gears.
Thank you for putting into words the feelings of all true Tolkien fans - let's hold the line (as George says) and keep the gate against these barbarians and destroyers
Im rooting for the orcs. The show makes the ORCS the more likeable people in the show.
im simping for Sauron!
Ouch 🤣, probably need an orc spin-off
Tbh, they are part of the problem. As they are destroying the good characterd they make us cheer for the bad ones by making adar sad about them.
Me too. I'm beyond hate watching now, I accepted that Sauron is the good guy here and Guyladriel is not.
With this premise the show becomes watchable random fantasy.
Maybe the message of the show is "Sauron was right. The Empire was right. The First Order did nothing wrong. Horus was Right. Romulans are the good guys. Obey your overlords. " because that's what I get from it.
The orcs are not bad, they're just misunderstood. Like Mick Jagger. Let's have some symphathy for the devil.
I love watching your breakdowns of shows. They always point out the total lack of morals in todays media and how backwards they have become. You are so right that Galadriel is completely evil and manipulative. She has no heart for anyone else, and if Halbran is Sauron, she is the one and only caused of all the evil events that occur from this point forward. How am I supposed to care for a character like that? How can I get invested in someone who could become the spark that lights the flint AND fires the gun? I am very glad that Tolken is not here to see his beautiful, complex and MORAL exploration completely destroyed by this current, me, me, me culture. Thank you for you input and I very much look forward to your next video.
Meekness vs Might. I think Tolkien's Christian value for the meek inheriting the earth and overcoming evil through good is not shared by the writers. They wrote a very instinctually human show, and so the story is not otherworldly or otherwise captivating in the way that Tolkien's is.
So spot on in this video! I really don't think the writers understand, either. They're terrible writers with a lack of maturity, emotional intelligence and as you've rightly pointed out -- no moral compass.
And also very likely that these people have no idea whatsoever that they’re awful writers.
Its all by design. The same old SJW nonsense being shoved down society's throat to appease their commie banker overlords and destroy all that is good. Fight back by shaming,memeing,mocking,pointing and laughing at these imbeciles and make them reeeeeeee until they drown in salty tears! Lol
It's frankly scary. Tell me, would you feel safe under the leadership of the people who wrote the harfoots story into these first episodes? I know I wouldn't. It's like a cult that ritually sacrifices members to the "deity" of "community". They have the gall to solomnly remember the people that they left to die in the snow, etc., as if those people would choose to have anything to do with the group if they managed to survive. I feel like an outside observer looking in at what Left wing writers think is moral, and it's deeply troubling.
Lol I know its embarrassing, the writers didn't even take into account that the character they were writing was "thousands of yrs old" (we see her beat up a boy for destroying her boat when she's a child...then she's a moody 12yr old for the next thousand yrs 🤦♂️)
@@matthewmosier8439 Its scary because this is how a lot of liberals think these days. Godless heathens
“….because you’re right.” Honestly, bro, you nailed one of the biggest problems on our society. Seems like many eople will do anything and everything to prove to themselves that what they think and believe is “right,” whilst rarely stopping to ponder how poorly they treat others in their pursuit of needing to be right.
When “right” is outside the boundaries of moral society that’s when you know it’s wrong lol. If morality is destroyed when fighting for something, then what are you fighting for? Agenda
My ex girlfriend in a nutshell xD
Sounds like my sister.
The Dark Triad in operation: the Sociopath, the Narcissist and the Psychopath.
A lot of people today seem to be psycho-sociopathic Narcissists 😢
Galadriel in the movies (Cate Blanchett) was mysteriously terrifying and beautiful. We clearly see her, we were told that she's one of the most beautiful and powerful elf, but at the same time, we dont really know her. She's close as well as distant. Including her voice and movement, it's endearing and warm, at the same time, cold and mystique. That's what made her alluring and dangerous to the viewers eyes. She's like a Goddess that could never be understood even if you try. Viewers become engulfed by this, they cant get enough of her because they cant really figure her out.
The Galadriel of Rings of Power is different from the movies. She's beautiful and pleasant to look at, and the viewers clearly know she's one of the powerful elves out there in the story but this Galadriel is easy to figure out. Instead of Alluring, she's aggressive and almost too womanly, She's not like a Goddess compared to her movie counterpart. She says whats on her mind, she's blunt like a warrior while the movie Galadriel would somehow suppress her real emotions like an angel.
I think thats the reason why fans are not too happy with the tv shows Galadriel. They are used to her being the Goddess like Elf that she is, that this flawed counterpart of hers ruins peoples imagination of what true Galadriel should be.
This is a fantastic comment. Blanchett’s portrayal is equal parts calm, commanding presence and endearing, warm, deeply encouraging, and comforting. And she does it all in short screen time. This Galadriel has an entire season of tv and she is just awful.
You are so right, the writers don't have the ability to recognize what being a good person actually entails! And to make it worse, they seem to think that bad traits are positive things to have!
It's a reflection of the modern world unfortunately
That “there is a tempest in me” line is actually so cringe. Its crazy.
Means she;s on her time of the month.
“I have a hurricane in me sir….” Oh, that’s a different movie said by a better actress.
I think the line has it's merits, I could probably imagine Eowyn saying it, maybe, in kind of a quiet, intense, way. But saying something like, "There is a tempest in my heart!", would probably have been better.
That tempest is probably just gas. It would explain her mood.
@@Nemo67577 as usual in Bad Reboot stuff, stealing everything from other movies and games
I just said to my friends: Galadriel is a whole other level of mary sue. She is deeply flawed, but every character accepts her in spite of that and she still gets what she wants. It's so twisted...So yeah, you took the words out of my mouth. I had hoped for a redemtion arc where she realises her errors, but it gets increasingly more unlikely....
It's not only that people accept it, it's that the writers move heavens and earth to make sure everything that should come back and bite her in the ass isn't, because she was right all along, so people comes crawling back to her and she can be smug about it. As I said in another thread, she doesn't have character flaws, because there's not a single instance where any part of her personality really effect her negatively. She doesn't need anyone else at all, except maybe row the boat for her, because that'd be beneath her.
You make a good argument for this Galadrial to be fake and is actually Sauron in disguise. It's why she jumped off the boat at the last moment. She can't get back to elf heaven so she has to wait until the last moment because she can't have the ship turn back.
I would like that...I really would
Actually, they should really go with that!!
At this point they should do that. Then I can root against Sauron for a reason
I never understood that elve heaven? What's the point of going there? Is it only open to elves?.what do you have to do to go there? Do you die while in heaven?
@@alannothnagle : Agreed, that would be a brilliant twist!
To expand on the "insufferable" part of your description of Galadriel:
Galadriel does not give a single tism about anyone else. She defies her king's orders. She forces her platoon into a snow storm and tells them to leave the stragglers behind. When she sees her "closest friend" Elrond after Illuvatar knows how long she blows him off and demands to talk to his superior. She has no idea who Halbrand is and yet still forces him to go east back to the Southlands. Her first meeting with Miriel she shamelessly insults their ships and DEMANDS they let her go after they saved her life. She treats every single person around her like they aren't worthy to kiss her feet.
Galadriel is a selfish, arrogant, manipulative cow. And this is what the writers think a virtuous strong female hero is supposed to be.
Yep. She's a textbook case of a malignant narcissist, and Amazon expects us to believe she somehow undergoes character growth and becomes the Galadriel we see in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy?
Yeah, nah. I've had narcissists like RoP "Galadriel" in my life. They dont change. They're fundamentally *incapable* of change
That's why we shouldn't call her "Galadriel" anymore. She's not Galadriel. She's a fake one or an imposter or Sauron in disguise... whatever. She's no Galadriel and I don't care about her "character arc" in this show. Call her Karen, Guyladriel, Xenadriel or Mary Sue. It takes good writing to "fix" her character and so far, the writing ain't good.
They'll try to pass us the "she was horrible before but after character deVeloPmeNt she's now turned into the LotR Galadriel"
It will be so cringe when they try to pull that shit off, I'm sure of it
@@billy-the-butcher
It's cringe because we all knew they are heavily relying on the fact that people watched Cate Blanchett's Galadriel and knew that this Guyladriel must have changed from this to that. Ugh. It's lazy because they made her so unrecognizable and so unlikeable that I don't care about the "character development" she'll take. This is no telling of Second Age Middle Earth afterall. Just a generic fantasy show. Tolkien already wrote her character arc beautifully.
@@BroadwayRonMexico I'm very seriously thinking of making a meme based on that "you have not seen what I have seen" line showing what Elrond went through and how ridiculous it is to expect a character like her to be carried only by fan sympathy because she lost soneone.
The thing is, for most of us, that sympathy only goes so far. Yeah, she lost her brother. That works to a point, but not when she's plunged an entire country into a needless war to serve her own petty lust for vengeance. Not when she's inflicting that pain on countless hundreds or thousands of others for the sake of her own vanity.
I'm pretty sure she's a scholastic template for all future writers on how to NOT create a character that people give a shyte about. She just gives me a massive feeling of "meh" whenever she appears on screen (tho I do groan a bit if I think she's going to drop another "classic" one liner or talk at all).
I just saw RoTK in theaters with my kids and, jfc, the contrast is enormous. That film moves like music. The worst thing for the RoP showrunners is their audience either watching Jackson's trilogy or reading the books.
I remember that installment in theaters 18- 19 years ago. Powerful stuff.
There are things about those films, changes I feel are awful and atrocious, but they look like the bloody Gospel, compared to how bad I know see it can get in an "adaptation"....
@@wolfmauler
Still a work of art.
Even peter regrets some of the decisions he made like faramir and denethors characters traits and the ghost army at minus tirith.
Still it still a work of art in comparison 😊👍
Can you imagine what would happen if Frodo offered this version of Galadriel the One Ring?
That's how Shelob was created.
Philhelm for the slam dunk! BA ha ha ha ha ha!
"Agh! She took my finger off!" -- Frodo
She'd be able to use it to crush Isengard, Saurman, Mordor and Sauron no bother. Hell, she'll even keep it on her afterwards with no ill effects.
Because she won't let anyone else tell HER what to do. Not even malevolent, sentient jewellery gets to order HER around!
@@harbl99 Nice one!
You have said it perfectly - we would side with Sauron - we want Sauron to win... and that is incredibly bad - completely the opposite of what Tolkein would want. Can you imagine his thoughts on Amazon making Sauron the hero!!!
The emotional blackmail can also be applied to Elrond with Durin
This is true, he definitely kept laying on the whole "aww but Im your friend" angle to get him to reveal everything. And last episode basically said if they died it would be his fault lmao.
@@disparutoo agreed, when the season is over I would love for you to do a full recap, almost documentorial, showing the first news, the reaction, the warning signs, the pushback, the trailers, the name calling, the comicon, the interviews, the release, the cor of the show and the ending. I would love to see you break that down
As it turns out, elves are trash
@@Idalvene Who knew?!
Galadriel is unlikeable and she doesn’t even look like an elf unless we see her ears. This show has too many issues. Time for them to announce that they are replacing the show runners and give season 2 a chance. PS. Great channel, love the awesome videos.
Kill it with fire. The evil will only grow if allowed to fester and reshape itself.
Also recast her like god this chick can’t act
Would be so funny if they sacked the whole cast and started the entire series again from scratch.
Second season is due to start filming in October 2022 ( just a few weeks off).
@@sirrathersplendid4825 - Maybe they should do a CGI animal version.
@@thetruestar6348 : It's not her fault, it's the awful script she has to work with.
I believe that if this rendition of galadriel were to be tempted by the ring when frodo offers it to her, galadriel would fail the test miserable and fulfill self imposed prophecy by becoming the next dark lady. All will love (not) and fear her.
she'd have gutted Frodo and taken the Ring from his corpse
I'm beginning to think this show is more from Sauron's perspective and why he needed to create the one ring to control everyone and bring order. They even showed a more humane side to the orcs compared to the original LOTR trilogy. If that was the intention then truly brilliant a solid 7/10
If Sauron saw this, then absolutely. Burn them all. They deserve it
Brilliant. 👏
I believe that's likely. If Sauron is who has been leaked to be, they are portraying him as being forced into it and was trying to escape being a bad guy. It's disgusting because he always chose that since he was in Valinor following Melkor.
Haha leaving pissing on tolkien aside, that would actually be pretty cool
Does Sauron/Halbrand just want to walk away from the past, and is it it Galadriel's incessant need to involve him that actually acts as catalyst for reactivating him to follow in Morgoth's footsteps? Is this what the writers are going with?
No man will be allowed any agency in this show...not even the Dark Lord himself. And if Galadriel is the one who puts Sauron back on the path to world domination, her character will be shattered beyond any hope of repair.
Okay, so. I normally wouldn't post a spoiler, but holy shit I'd rather your hateful idiocy not spread to others.
Halbrand is not Sauron. Sauron is currently masquerading as Anatar, Lord of Gifts, who we have SEEN in the show.
Galadriel can ruin her own show, without wildly inaccurate guesses from the peanut gallery.
This is my theory. All he's ever told her is please let me stay on Numenor because I want peace, I'm after peace. You don't know what I did or what I had to do to survive, how I got here. Don't make me go back there. Sounds like he wants a fresh start, literally just wants to forge as a hobby. If any of that's true, how is anyone to blame for it BUT galadriel.
@@Luciphell Hateful?, you are not exactly the most intelligent individual, are you...
@@Luciphell what anatar have we seen in the show exactly? Don't tell me it's Feminem white robed boobed person watching the landing site of non-Gandalf, because that clearly is other people that is looking for Sauron and not him
This reminds me of that remake of the "V" TV series that came out about 10 years ago. At first it looked great, had really good production values. But the huge problem that the show had was that all the people who were supposed to be the good guys were completely unlikable. I was rooting for the bad guys the entire time. The only reason I watched it up until it got cancelled was because Laura Vandervoort was one of the main characters.
I can't wait for a She Hulk cameo
Galadriel was the antithesis of the warmonger she’s being portrayed as.
She abstained from the wars against Morgoth because of the destruction they left in their wake.
That wasn’t just Galadriel’s take in that instance but it was her belief at large.
Galadriel saw the hubris and conceit in Feanor early on, long before the Kinslaying, and she recognized those traits as destructive.
This was Galadriel’s insight and wisdom that was so perceptive that we, as the audience, interpreted as a sort of prescience. Maybe there was some of that. But it’s more that she was so insightful and perceptive that she saw where certain traits would lead people. As in the case of Boromir.
Galadriel’s impetus to go to Middle earth was at first ambition. But after Feanor her mission became to be a counter to Feanor as far as leadership.
Galadriel was a strong and wise leader. She just wasn’t a warmonger.
She was anything but. Her goal was to steer her kin away from war. Which is where Feanor’s path led.
Galadriel was a preserver and nurturer of all things. It’s why Tolkien imparts her with so much wisdom.
Galadriel has ‘seen much’. And what she has seen of war she wants to avoid at all cost.
Galadriel seeking out war is so counter to everything about her character.
Galadriel used Nenya to preserve all that surrounded her.
Now Amazon has Galadriel seeking out war.
It’s just wrong at multiple levels.
Galadriel was never impetuous, and she certainly was no such thing by the second age.
Anyone who tries to tell you Galadriel was anything else is just gaslighting.
Finding some obscure passage about her ‘Amazonian disposition’ in reference to her capacity for sport is just reaching.
Galadriel may have had considerable martial prowess. I don’t know, bc all we have is that singular reference.
But the point is, being skilled in the martial arts does not make one a relentless warmonger.
She feels a bit like Dany to me. Like they took Dany and transposed her over Galadriel.
But of course instead of going mental at the end Galadriel will make the correct choices and finally realize the wisdom she has had all along.
Galadriel was as close to a pacifist as existed in middle earth.
Quick comment: on Galadriel as a 'pacifist', IIRC Tolkien had her advising against war with Morgoth because she saw it as in vain without the aid of the Valar whom they had shunned by their departure from Valinor. She expected no aid from that quarter and only destruction... destruction that she didn't see ANY of herself since, as you mention, she wanted nothing to do with it, unless she saw it through a device like her mirror or a palantir. Evidently she didn't expect Earendil's quest nor its success or she didn't think it worth the cost.
In any case, her main traits per Tolkien are the fact that she is TALL, enchantingly beautiful to be almost unmatched in beauty in the eye of any who might see her - man, elf, or even dwarf - and wise.
And in AROP she is dwarfishly short, passingly attractive although her smiles are scary and she mostly scowls like a teenager rather than a woman with a millenia of experience herself who has learned from and trained with the Maia Melian for most of her time in Middle-earth, and her "wisdom" matches her behavior i.e. she has none and no one would respect or follow her anywhere ever. And she's a war-monger 😝
Man, what a waste!
@@Chamdar17 I heard someone say she was 6’4”- not sure how they came up with that number- but yea- from freakishly tall to almost a dwarvish 5 ft something- her countenance commanded respect- and her height just added to that- but Amazon’s Galadriel has neither of those
Question: Did she always have telepathic powers or did she eventually gain them at some point? I’m just curious why the show hasn’t established this power yet like they did in the film? Seems like a good tool to use when trying to convince people that a malevolent threat is coming, IMO lol.
Galadriel is just feanor in drag.
@@AndromedaCeline IIRC Tolkien developed the concept of her powers as descending for, a) her tutelage under the Valar in Valinor, b) more especially her tutelage under the Maiar Melian while in Middle-earth (she actually uses powers specifically learned from her to destroy Dol Guldur after the War of the Rings), and c) her magical ring Nenya.
To understand more about her powers relative to her tutelage under Melian, read up on the powers of Luthien, Melian's daughter. Again, Melian was a Maiar like Gandalf and Saruman and Sauron himself.
The extent of her telepathic abilities isn't ever clarified but it seems to be rather minimal.
Saurons original goal was to bring about order to benefit the free people. However due to impatience and the incompetence of said people he began to turn evil, wishing to dominate others for the percieved greater good.
This is pretty much Galadriels arc.
The Diminished Tolkien Epic
Every one, every race, every place, every culture and all Tolkien's grand themes about civilization, mortality, heroism, self-sacrifice and good & evil are all diminished. The entire scope, grandeur and epic nature of Tolkien's canon is equally diminished in the director's obsession with interior close-up direction, a forgettable score and an utter lack of epic imagination from the writers of this series. The entire world shrinks in this pervasive diminution. The insufferable banality and narcissism of Galadriel's character only serves to shrink the story even more. Welcome to the hell of woke, intersectional films where the lack of imagination is only superceded by the arrogance of its producers.
I believe Amazon is just building up to the biggest plot twist in history. In the end Sauron will win and everybody who watched the show will be like: that was the most satisfying ending I ever saw.
That could be hilaruous. Right now,I hope so. I started to skip the scenes with the hobbits, because i just cant stand them.
@@mr.xernorus4026actually they’re not hobbits the genius show writers called them “harfoot” they’re like the predecessor of hobbits from what I hear
Imagine Gimli asking for a hair from this Galadriel's head.
She'd be like "YOU WHOAAT?!"
Gimli wouldn’t want it.
I think Rings of Power has an everything problem. The script is so irreparably broken the only solution I can think of is to throw it out and start again.
Any good director would have sacked his entire writing team, knowing full well how bad it was going. I mean, one read of the draft scripts would have told, even the most simple minded director that it wont function and will not allow viewers to be immersed. The director to me appears to be Jeff Bezos.
@@sloht4061 I think the people on the business side have no capacity to assess art. And they think the audience is completely stupid.
@@sloht4061 Nah, even Bezos is distancing himself from this clusterfk, he said far and wide that the show runner "ignored his notes". Really this is just a 1B dollar project which is pocket change for either Bezos or Amazon, he let his minions deal with it while he was busy launching his phallic rocket into the skies
@@sloht4061 As ridiculous as it sounds, I'd agree that Bezos probably is arrogant and deluded enough to try and direct this thing himself. It's the only explanation for him employing underqualified staff; they do as he tells them to do.
@@sloht4061 I can image Jeff Bezos thinking that when you carpetbomb the cliënt with how awesome and terrific your product is the cliënt will swallow it. that is how he build his business. That billion dollars investment must have gone somewher but surely not into production.
Remember when Gil-Galad said that "a wind that seeks to extinguish a flame may also cause its spread"? I think that's exactly what's going to happen because Galadriel's arrogance probably will be what causes Sauron/Halbrand to be actively evil again.
Yes. And it's STUPID. I feel like it's a re-thread of SW prequels: "he turned evil because he wanted to f*ck but got cockblocked".
The reasons and the motives Sauron has in Tolkien; him being a metaphor for industrialisation and coersion and modern day lifestyle where people are just used as cogs in the great machine that doesn't care about them, is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more interesting than "oh I got evil 'cause some pussy".
Loved the video!!!
Hm. After what you said again and again about this "Galadriel " ...I think she is Sauron.
If this is a parody, they are doing an extraordinary job. They took an almost angelic character and made her a demon.
I keep expecting dildo boogger and tim benzadream to show up in it ...
So dramatic lmfao.
“Galadriel is a psychopath” is the best video that I found about Galadriel motives. I really recommend it
Exactly. What's scary is that this shows that the writers and producers have all projected themselves into Galadriel.
Great video as ever Disparu. You nailed her.
This video is about Guyladriel but never forget....
THE SEA IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!!
I dunno, Nerdrotic showed the sea saying pineapple belonged on pizza and after that I'm not sure I can trust the sea.
@@disparutoo fair point! Who do we trust then? Guyladriel or the sea...?
That sword fight training scene reminded me of a scene in Eclipse when Jasper is training the werewolves how to fight against the newborn vampires. Even Elendil bowed to her greater expertise, when he should have been training them. This show is all about her, and that's what ruins it. But you nailed it again. Great channel, and I always look forward to your videos.
I'm starting to feel that the Galadriel problem isn't even primarily the actress (although she is part of it), she's probably doing an okay job of reflecting the evil person represented in the screenplay. It wouldn't make sense if she delivered these words with beaming smiles and back-slaps. Edit: ahh you got there first at 13:00 :)
The actress is insufferable too