Tray: "I can't imagine the NBA without LeBron in it..." Bruh i felt that way when my guys started shuffling out the league. Iverson, T-Mac, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett, Shaq, Nowitzki, Nash, Pierce, so on and so on...i would look forward to watching these guys as a kid on NBA on TNT or ESPN or even on ABC. I still watch the NBA now but it just feels so different without my guys. Especially my hero growing up, Allen Iverson. Kobe's last game really felt like a goodbye to my era. That game choked me up, ngl lol
@@crews-lj3ph do you see my clowning the old era yes or no? lol I like how you completely ignored what I said respect is earned if older generations hate on newer generations the favor is going to be returned it’s common sense get out ya feelings
33:32 - 😂 I'm glad you don't let others discourage you from getting your points off when you're reacting to a video. Like I know what my thoughts are on a subject but I love digesting other's thoughts and opinions on the same subject. W takes. W vid.
The argument about rings is because in as many seasons as jordan played he was just as highly productive if not more than lebron and won more titles in less seasons
Thanks for the video. At 46:50, RIP to NBA’s greatest winner with 11 rings which can never be taken away. CONTEXT really does matter though. Bill Russell joining the Celtics in 1956 (the previous year’s 2nd seed) in an uncapped league of 8 teams and being fortunate enough to play with 12 Hall Of Famers just WEIGHS differently compared to a merged NBA-ABA league with a salary cap (which was reinstated back in 1984). I wouldn’t say Bill was exactly elite on offense, but he was surely great. Also, Robert Horry being brought up in GOAT debates because of his tally of 7 rings is just plain silly in my humble opinion… I love Big Shot Bob who was surely clutch and a valuable piece on those championship teams, but he was never an All Star, let alone an MVP. The GOAT is a great topic if people can keep it sensible. Boils down to an individual’s preference though. To each their own.
I feel like both eras are good in there own way like in the 90 they had 1 or two set like Larry bird and scotty pippin oppressed to theNBA today were players can do every thing and at taller heights like wemby and KD
He also played in an era with illegal defense that allowed him to play one on one constantly. Only difference from today was that because guys coi don’t shoot as well and the spacing was so bad, the defense was at an extreme advantage not having to chase guys outside like today. The zone is legal now but it’s ineffective because Eveyone can hit a shot. So guys STILL get to play one on one. Same concept, different rules and diff😮environment. If guys could shoot back then like guys now, jordan would put up even more ridiculous numbers.
@TheIcemanthomas yeah a rule that was almost never called... I'm sure that makes up for no hand checking, the defensive 3-second rule, the gather step, and being able to carry
@@TheIcemanthomas He was always being triple teamed, which you would know if you ever watched him play. I really hate this narrative because it's entirely false.
@@TheThreeHeadedDragonthats a whole lie...thats why we have the iconic Russell shot...in 2024 that wouldn't happen the double is coming...mj still my goat the nostalgia lies gotta stop
I'm 19 was born in 05 and I prefer to watch Jordan Era and 2010's Era. And the defense and offense convo...the defensive rules have been bent for the offense so much to the points it's tough to play good physical defense. Sum valid changes like giving someone a space to land is coo but other shit is just wack. Ima defensive minded person love defense across all sports.
Hey man i know these are old videos and this might seem like a random comment but one day tray ima get big enough to meet you and I just wanna pick your brain. I love the wisdom you have bro its very inline with how I do. Remember the name Slacckk.
I think when ppl say Jordan had no left hand was just scoring wise. True basketball players know a right handed player favorite side to go to is left hand side the pull up is easier to shoot then going right handed sided
Kobe Bryant is my GOAT, 2000s to the Early 2010s was goated, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, & Dirk, p.s. Don't disrespect Paul George like that Tray, Paul was giving LeBron buckets, Tray don't make me send Shebann44 to Houston 😂
Great vid but one slight miss.....Some players did have that bag in th 80s/90s notice who was getting those travel/carry calls back then(even in this vid) the euro/hesi/cross been existed. They brought that to the nba and got called 🤷🏾♂️
It was only 126 games over those 3 years. So it was like 2.5 TOs per game. There was no play-by-play data so that guy literally had to go find all the footage and track it all himself. In reality it was a little less than half of all the games he played in those 3 years. But the stats are still insane tho. The playoffs are way easier to find so almost half of those 126 games are playoff performances. Bro was absolutely annihilating the postseason.
Bro rules change throughout the yrs/Gen can’t be done with the 90s just imagine if magic Jordan , Julius, Larry & all the other superstar back then can carry, travel like todays game just more competitive and more passion for the game
I argued lebron over mj in 2020 with my dad. Competition was one of the points I used. He tried to get on me bout hating on older generations. I am not a hater. When somebody comes thru that's better than Bron, I will give him his flowers. I'm already tryna see what Luka, jokic, and wemby gon do. I thought niggas like kd, kawhi, curry, and giannis was gon be them, but I think they time passed. Idk if bron gon ever not be top 5, tho. Him an mj staying forever
Magic Johnson vs Luka Wilt vs Victor Wemby MJ vs Anthony Edwards Hakeem the Dream vs Jokic Dr J. vs Jayson Tatum Kareem vs Joel Embid Larry Bird vs KD Shaq vs AD Shawn Kemp vs Zion
Bad Boy Pistons won a championship with essentially aggravated assault. Draymond would get thrown out way less. Three pointers were only taken by specialists. That's why Steve Kerr lasted as long as he did. The only reason he got to stay around on championship teams like the Bulls and Spurs is because he had a three ball, that was it. Not even a quarter of the league shot a consistent three ball, only specialists of the era. Because the game was so inside focused, it was not uncommon to see the paint completely clogged. Shaq said it best, there shouldn't be a GOAT debate because there will never be a definite answer. There will be a day where Jordan or LeBron is considered the GOAT then whoever replaced them will also be replaced in a foreseeable future. Ranking by era is the only way it makes it fair for ALL players.
@4:30 If anybody can make a good highlight tape isn’t it fair to say anyone can make a lowlight tape ? When you show highlights of one era and lowlights of the other then yeah it’ll look different lol
Atleast I see players diving on the floor for the ball, Hustle is in you not on you. These new niggas not hustlers fr. They don’t wanna get the hands dirty and all it took was one person (Draymond) to bring that 90s style back and look what happened ? 4 rings later. New niggas soft asf that’s all.
I agree with you about the different fandoms, but I think the LeBron fans are the worst. They refuse to accept that someone could possibly disagree with them.
Idk if he didn’t practice like dat but Luka doncic was semi pro type shit and tried out and didn’t make it then got picked up later and started killin shit fr so maybe some of these dudes back in the day could e definitely killed the game with these day and age rules just because a lot of the rules were made to disable alot of these dudes play style but still they ain’t gon be like Steph curry just shootin deep 3s all day breakin records and shit
Horry was never the main guy in any of his championship replace right time just like how havelick even tho he was a main piece he was part of those Russell championship however he what make it go against bill Russell is there was only 8 teams when he played.
keep the excuses coming, if they include all of jordan's years he would rank higher, his is just stupid. JORDAN ALWAYS HAVE A LEFT AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Curry got blow up 3-1 against Bron lamfooo even with Kd he do because they were scared of LeBron they had a most best record in the NBA in 2016 and then KD joins the super team
No mike didnt have a left hand JUST BECAUSE U CAN LAY UP WITH YO LEFT don’t mean u gotta a left he was a piss poor dribbler never drove to his left unless he planned on jumping from left to right i could play in 80s and 90s seriously nun of them people can move laterally
😂 Jordan is better than shooting, defense, ballhandling, free throws and post scoring. In rebounding, Jordan has more offensive rebounds than LeBron and we all know how offensive rebounds are harder to get. The debate is not even close for the two.
Kobe was playing both sides of the floor gang 9 first defensive selections tied with Mike to lebrons 4 first and 2 second team selections….its literally not a thing Bron can do that Kobe can’t💯😭chase downs, posters, passes etc
He didn't track every move idiot, just a small sample size. Considering he went to his left almost as much as he did to his right with similar efficiency it's safe to infer he had a left.
19:20 biggest facts especially when I first started playing organized it thru me for a loop so hard😭talking bout “this ain’t the NBA”
Tray: "I can't imagine the NBA without LeBron in it..."
Bruh i felt that way when my guys started shuffling out the league. Iverson, T-Mac, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett, Shaq, Nowitzki, Nash, Pierce, so on and so on...i would look forward to watching these guys as a kid on NBA on TNT or ESPN or even on ABC. I still watch the NBA now but it just feels so different without my guys. Especially my hero growing up, Allen Iverson. Kobe's last game really felt like a goodbye to my era. That game choked me up, ngl lol
Man Lebron retiring is finna be crazy. I was 8 when he came in the league smh
I was 4 so imagine how I feel 😂😂
I wasn't even born yet so imagine how I feel 😂
I was born the same year he was drafted im literally turning the age that he finna play next year 21
@@OGBIGBROOKLYNsame yet dawg lol
let him retire no one cares
Getting harder and harder to be an NBA fan when people keep tearing down eras to boost their agenda
Facts no respect for the game or the legends
That’s this new generation bro it’s sad
@@AlienLyfe25the games evolved and the older players from the 70s says the same thing about 80s,90s,00s,
Stop it these old head can’t talk about current basketball without saying there’s no defense or no passion
@@casualgamer4898see this is why u new generations clowns will get no respect
@@crews-lj3ph do you see my clowning the old era yes or no? lol I like how you completely ignored what I said respect is earned if older generations hate on newer generations the favor is going to be returned it’s common sense get out ya feelings
People love hating the new gen but when that same energy is applied to the 90’s, its “disrespectful” or “your not a real fan”
I don’t hate the new generation of players. Most people don’t. It’s the crazies on the internet trying to tear down each other’s generation.
One of the SADDEST moments in life seeing Kobe last game😢❤ and his unfortunate passing
Bruh my nephew shot some trash into the bin and he said "Curry!"...i almost slapped him lmao
Ppl forget the term “evolution” in this world.
That’s why I don’t go back stats as assess who’s a better player. Different offenses different responsibilities different skill sets.
33:32 - 😂 I'm glad you don't let others discourage you from getting your points off when you're reacting to a video. Like I know what my thoughts are on a subject but I love digesting other's thoughts and opinions on the same subject.
W takes. W vid.
The argument about rings is because in as many seasons as jordan played he was just as highly productive if not more than lebron and won more titles in less seasons
Thanks for the video.
At 46:50, RIP to NBA’s greatest winner with 11 rings which can never be taken away. CONTEXT really does matter though. Bill Russell joining the Celtics in 1956 (the previous year’s 2nd seed) in an uncapped league of 8 teams and being fortunate enough to play with 12 Hall Of Famers just WEIGHS differently compared to a merged NBA-ABA league with a salary cap (which was reinstated back in 1984). I wouldn’t say Bill was exactly elite on offense, but he was surely great.
Also, Robert Horry being brought up in GOAT debates because of his tally of 7 rings is just plain silly in my humble opinion… I love Big Shot Bob who was surely clutch and a valuable piece on those championship teams, but he was never an All Star, let alone an MVP.
The GOAT is a great topic if people can keep it sensible. Boils down to an individual’s preference though. To each their own.
No cap curry is influential af. He got niggas on 2K pulling 3s
Peep the stats Kobe didn’t struggle against Jordan 🤣 ofc the games were tuff but he gave him buckets and Jordan gave him buckets
Go watch SkapAttack. You are seriously misinformed.
I grew up watching Kobe then Bron & I can say Bron has done & showed more then Kobe💯 RIP Kobe bean but Bron the GOAT
That Jordan left hand stat is when the Jordan Rules made him go to the left against the Pistons
I feel like both eras are good in there own way like in the 90 they had 1 or two set like Larry bird and scotty pippin oppressed to theNBA today were players can do every thing and at taller heights like wemby and KD
Been waiting on this one
Crazy how basketball the only sport where we disrespect the older generations smh
"Inflated stats"
Meanwhile Michael Jordan plays in the 2nd lowest scoring era of NBA history 😂
He also played in an era with illegal defense that allowed him to play one on one constantly. Only difference from today was that because guys coi don’t shoot as well and the spacing was so bad, the defense was at an extreme advantage not having to chase guys outside like today. The zone is legal now but it’s ineffective because Eveyone can hit a shot. So guys STILL get to play one on one. Same concept, different rules and diff😮environment. If guys could shoot back then like guys now, jordan would put up even more ridiculous numbers.
@TheIcemanthomas yeah a rule that was almost never called... I'm sure that makes up for no hand checking, the defensive 3-second rule, the gather step, and being able to carry
@@TheIcemanthomas He was always being triple teamed, which you would know if you ever watched him play. I really hate this narrative because it's entirely false.
@@TheThreeHeadedDragonthats a whole lie...thats why we have the iconic Russell shot...in 2024 that wouldn't happen the double is coming...mj still my goat the nostalgia lies gotta stop
31:18 ngl Bron started doin that shit first most of them mfs were buzzer beaters or just shit he put up but he was pulling from the logo before Curry
Jimmy High Roller is the 🐐 forreal
29:26 looking at it today these Houston James Harden babies..
I most definitely listen to old music n im old asf n I most definitely can five biggie OutKast a tribe called quest man what 😂
Whenever anyone had a paperball or anything to throw THAT'S WHY WE SAY KOBE
Eveyone got that from Dave chapelle
@@TheIcemanthomas me and some friends got that from the vine days
I’ve been listening to Future since ‘11
I been saying this to my pops for years
El paso ?? lmao damn good times
and thats FACTS!
We got a 7 foot 9 guy coming in about 3 to 5 years
Basketball back then was more physical and "closer" to physicality in football. Now, its much closer to soccer with spacing and movement
curry is a gilbert arenas baby!!!
60 shots to score 50 is not balling 😂
I don't care about the era I care about the rules and defense.
I’m so glad someone reacts to jimmyhighrolloer
Jimmyhighroller*
I’m wit you my favorite player of all time is Kobe too
I'm 19 was born in 05 and I prefer to watch Jordan Era and 2010's Era. And the defense and offense convo...the defensive rules have been bent for the offense so much to the points it's tough to play good physical defense. Sum valid changes like giving someone a space to land is coo but other shit is just wack. Ima defensive minded person love defense across all sports.
Hey man i know these are old videos and this might seem like a random comment but one day tray ima get big enough to meet you and I just wanna pick your brain. I love the wisdom you have bro its very inline with how I do. Remember the name Slacckk.
I think when ppl say Jordan had no left hand was just scoring wise. True basketball players know a right handed player favorite side to go to is left hand side the pull up is easier to shoot then going right handed sided
Steph will always be the greatest shooter ever
Kobe Bryant is my GOAT, 2000s to the Early 2010s was goated, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, & Dirk,
p.s. Don't disrespect Paul George like that Tray, Paul was giving LeBron buckets, Tray don't make me send Shebann44 to Houston 😂
Luh Tyler 😂😂😂😂😂 maybe he do kno a lil sum bout pac and big
The more I look into Michael Jordan stats, the more of an absolute alien he becomes.
Great vid but one slight miss.....Some players did have that bag in th 80s/90s notice who was getting those travel/carry calls back then(even in this vid) the euro/hesi/cross been existed. They brought that to the nba and got called 🤷🏾♂️
MJ was a menace, only 51 turnovers in 3 years
It was only 126 games over those 3 years. So it was like 2.5 TOs per game. There was no play-by-play data so that guy literally had to go find all the footage and track it all himself. In reality it was a little less than half of all the games he played in those 3 years. But the stats are still insane tho. The playoffs are way easier to find so almost half of those 126 games are playoff performances. Bro was absolutely annihilating the postseason.
Jordan is my GOAT and I don’t bring up the rings or game 7’s I can have a debate and discuss differences without that weak argument
Lol imagine me listening to CashNasty video about basketball let alone about lebron and mj
Bro rules change throughout the yrs/Gen can’t be done with the 90s just imagine if magic Jordan , Julius, Larry & all the other superstar back then can carry, travel like todays game just more competitive and more passion for the game
Offense got better because the lack of defensive hustle & want to
That aint it. The truth is that offense got easier so that betting and scripting becomes easier.
Lets talk about jordan literally being a one handed person
You know it’s myth if you watched his games.
imagine being this casual
Without A.I there is no in n out tween behind the back🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️niggas wouldn't be dribbling fr without him
I argued lebron over mj in 2020 with my dad. Competition was one of the points I used. He tried to get on me bout hating on older generations. I am not a hater. When somebody comes thru that's better than Bron, I will give him his flowers. I'm already tryna see what Luka, jokic, and wemby gon do. I thought niggas like kd, kawhi, curry, and giannis was gon be them, but I think they time passed. Idk if bron gon ever not be top 5, tho. Him an mj staying forever
Magic Johnson vs Luka
Wilt vs Victor Wemby
MJ vs Anthony Edwards
Hakeem the Dream vs Jokic
Dr J. vs Jayson Tatum
Kareem vs Joel Embid
Larry Bird vs KD
Shaq vs AD
Shawn Kemp vs Zion
It’s both. All that spacing in today’s game you can really isolate the weakest defender and make them look even worse.
Fuck that we still done with the 80s and 90s
No WE not YOU are and that's your personal decision.
Bad Boy Pistons won a championship with essentially aggravated assault. Draymond would get thrown out way less. Three pointers were only taken by specialists. That's why Steve Kerr lasted as long as he did. The only reason he got to stay around on championship teams like the Bulls and Spurs is because he had a three ball, that was it. Not even a quarter of the league shot a consistent three ball, only specialists of the era. Because the game was so inside focused, it was not uncommon to see the paint completely clogged.
Shaq said it best, there shouldn't be a GOAT debate because there will never be a definite answer. There will be a day where Jordan or LeBron is considered the GOAT then whoever replaced them will also be replaced in a foreseeable future. Ranking by era is the only way it makes it fair for ALL players.
@4:30 If anybody can make a good highlight tape isn’t it fair to say anyone can make a lowlight tape ? When you show highlights of one era and lowlights of the other then yeah it’ll look different lol
Atleast I see players diving on the floor for the ball, Hustle is in you not on you. These new niggas not hustlers fr. They don’t wanna get the hands dirty and all it took was one person (Draymond) to bring that 90s style back and look what happened ? 4 rings later. New niggas soft asf that’s all.
on that point bout steph. i think lamello really bout to change this league in a lil bit along side wemby
Nah lamelo just plays like a modern day Pete Maravich.
Crying over a man you don’t know is next level worship and simping
How
@@kingreg8997 can you read? I just told you how crying over a man you do not know is absurd.
You're not cool because you lack empathy. Childish behavior. @@iHidanAUC
@@OmarTheGoat empathy has nothing to do with crying over a stranger. You can empathize for people without crying dweeb.
Tray acting like people can’t do their homework and go back and watch games and tape… Stop it
Yeah because half of them don’t 😂 they stay trolling
If kobe wudda got 50 shots in that 81 game 😳😳😳 bye bye wilt 😭😭😭
Doubt it. He was taking mostly jumpers. Wilt got to the line a shit ton during that game.
Pac and Biggie werent 25 and 24 btw. Aint no way
Huh
Video got me sad asl. We getting up there lebron , curry , kd , harden , kyrie , etc. They the ones heading out of the league.
I agree with you about the different fandoms, but I think the LeBron fans are the worst. They refuse to accept that someone could possibly disagree with them.
Idk if he didn’t practice like dat but Luka doncic was semi pro type shit and tried out and didn’t make it then got picked up later and started killin shit fr so maybe some of these dudes back in the day could e definitely killed the game with these day and age rules just because a lot of the rules were made to disable alot of these dudes play style but still they ain’t gon be like Steph curry just shootin deep 3s all day breakin records and shit
Jesus Christ Is Coming Soon Repent & Draw Near To Him 🙏✝️❤️
Yessir amen 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Horry was never the main guy in any of his championship replace right time just like how havelick even tho he was a main piece he was part of those Russell championship however he what make it go against bill Russell is there was only 8 teams when he played.
keep the excuses coming, if they include all of jordan's years he would rank higher, his is just stupid. JORDAN ALWAYS HAVE A LEFT AND ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Biggie is the goat and I definitely jam biggie
Jimmer
You trippen kobe has 5 rings . And labron lost to curry way to many times for me
Curry got blow up 3-1 against Bron lamfooo even with Kd he do because they were scared of LeBron they had a most best record in the NBA in 2016 and then KD joins the super team
I live defense fytb
modern players are inefficient
players from the 80s and 90s were more efficient with their moves because of stricter officiating
No mike didnt have a left hand JUST BECAUSE U CAN LAY UP WITH YO LEFT don’t mean u gotta a left he was a piss poor dribbler never drove to his left unless he planned on jumping from left to right i could play in 80s and 90s seriously nun of them people can move laterally
Ps2 games better😂🤣💀💀
We done with LeBron and Jordan fans!!!
Lebron better than MJ and Kobe..kobe isn't even close 🤷♂️
Straight facts
😂 Jordan is better than shooting, defense, ballhandling, free throws and post scoring. In rebounding, Jordan has more offensive rebounds than LeBron and we all know how offensive rebounds are harder to get. The debate is not even close for the two.
Kobe was playing both sides of the floor gang 9 first defensive selections tied with Mike to lebrons 4 first and 2 second team selections….its literally not a thing Bron can do that Kobe can’t💯😭chase downs, posters, passes etc
5 biggies song
Machine gun funk
The what
Suicidal thoughts
Warning
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106 moves from the 80s til the 90s he had no left 😂😂😂
He didn't track every move idiot, just a small sample size. Considering he went to his left almost as much as he did to his right with similar efficiency it's safe to infer he had a left.