How the Royal Marines is aiming to welcome its first female commando
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- The Royal Marines is looking for its first female commando - but how can they encourage women to join their training programme and make it more effective for them?
That's the question being asked as the Commando Training Centre Royal Marines (CTCRM) Lympstone tries to gain a better understanding of female performance and what can be done to enhance it.
Figures from the Ministry of Defence state that from 2019 to the end of 2021, 250 female applicants to join as a regular Royal Marine Commando - to date, no female has passed out as a Royal Marine commando.
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As long as she passes the EXACT same standards as the men fair play to her.
I agree, one out of 250, fair play to her.......
Hear hear
Aslong as they don't make the training easier for females to pass then yes. In the beginning of the eighties the Belgians also tried to get women through the para training course. None made it.
Unlikely
So she's not actually a commando, this headline is a lie.
cool story. Serious question: can Lucy carry a 6' 4" 260lbs wounded solider out of a combat zone? Until the answer is yes, then she has no place in the unit.
ost marines cant do that so ur point is largely irreleveant
No she can't.
I remember a few years ago doing a team medics course where there was a pass or fail casedrag test.
0% of woman passed that test. 100% of woman passed the course.
i cant do that and im a royal marine?????????????? LMFAO
that doesnt mean nobody can do it. ive seen it and i can assure u it happens @@stevenhewes1990
no one can lift 260lbs on their own.
If women are as capable as men (progressive viewpoint) why is there any need to change the training program to accommodate them ?
I'm not willing to play Devil's advocate, but I've been in the military and the reason is that the body of a woman is different of that of a man in some respects. In the present case, women have on average less muscle mass, are shorter etc. So the aptitude tests are easier when compared to those for men. However the tests are as hard for women as the tests for men are for the latter.
@@User-jr7vf yet they dont meet the standards necessary. If i find a 3 mile run as hard as someone else finds a 5 mile run, it still means i am unfit for that role, regardless of the fact that its the same hardness for both us. Until i can run a 5 mile, I am not qualified for that role. Simple as.
as long as standards aren't dropped ie they do exactly the same press-ups, pull ups etc then i have no issue
Haha when the understand you can’t find women who can do this standards fall. Ive watch it happen and then comes hurt female feelings who when Sgt Major yells at them-Sgt Major gets fired
It's not so much that,in the uk forces we focus on carrying a lot of kit a long way fast to test. Men are genetically bigger and stronger to do this.Fact
they need to pass the exact same training no exceptions
nobody said they didnt
@@red-blue3430 It's something that unfortunately has to be said in this day and age. There are well-meaning people who will make exceptions for what they perceive as "the greater good", not realizing the damage they are doing.
@@red-blue3430 well, thnk God there are no female SEALs😏
@@jej3451 War is changing. Female intelligence officers and soldiers were vital in both the Afghan and Iraq wars.
Why is it an issue? they obviously do have to attain to the same standards that's why none.have passed!
For those that are confused? This lady is NOT a Commando, she is an instructor, aiming to help bring on female recruits.
Is she a PTI or an actual Training Corporal?
@@airhab troop sergeant
@@airhab, doesn’t make it clear but the the inference I get is, she’s a fitness trainer/mentor.
She’s a musician.
If she’s not commando trained […] what’s the point in her being there?! Instructor my ahhh sss?!
I remember doing familirisation visits many years ago and we had a female officer talk to us, and ALL she went on about was how attractive she was and how men struggled to control themselves and not hit on her. She loved it and every person in our group, male and female, came away saying we wished we'd never had the experience of meeting her. It was really embarrssing and uncomfortable - but thats just one women.
Good luck to those trying to become commandos. I have no issue with females in the military. Just like men, if they can do the job they're in, if they can't they're out.
This is dangerous. This puts the missions and the lives of many at risk just to Tick a political box. Sad world we live in.
Agreed.
disagreed
Agreeed
Think this is great as long as cheating to pass certain fitness test doesn’t happen. I’ve seen this first hand many times during my infantry training.
A close family member who has done the infantry training course said exactly the same thing. Not completing excerises yet still been passed. As long as everyone passes exactly the same course to the required standard I have no issue.
@@myrants5836 seen one girl fail tests and still get paper passed on my course. Heard another girl also had the same thing happen. A
Aww did you cheat too?
@@Alex-nt7uh on my girl with your mum you pleb
Men cheat a lot.
Im sorry but anyone who has ever served in the army knows that women get it EASIER, in basic training, on exercise or deployed. this is the REAL issue with women in the forces, corners are cut to meet agendas.
'in the army'?
2 things: this feature is about the Royal Marines, who are a branch of the Royal Navy, and secondly it is not 'the army' but the Army, specifically H.M. Forces, Army.
@@cycleSCUBAAlso, water is wet
You've never served then.
Try using alternative browser after making comment... There is a 1 moderated day delay on any comment on this guys TH-cam channel but has channels on all alternative platforms that include other banned.. The woman RM bands service moved to instructor not RM commando... First + obvious point of any SITREP a former service person would struggle to not to give... This guy is a fake.. Is behavior has been off for ages... Why is he wearing his green beret in the video???... Especially as ex-falklands.. What does he have to prove?... Sorry I don't care what 'official' records say... He's dubious...
I trained many female recruits for the Army reserve, some were as good if not better than some of the men. Some were utterly dire, as were some of the men, but were nurtured through, as were some of the men, don't to raise pass rates.
If the RM standards are not lowered, then there will never be a female Commando.
Why would women need encouragement if they're just as capable as men?
"Fair" training for women coming through... Lol Gurantee corners will be cut.
Happened to the US Marines. The Royals have been able to resist this nonsense until now, I just hope they're able to hold out.
wrong.
@@EvidensInsania wrong and wrong
@@red-blue3430 That's what they said without literally saying it. Don't be stupid.
What branch of the armed forces you in?
@@BroadHobbyProjects THE ROYAL MARINES LMFAOOOOOOOOOO id rather fight alongside any woman than you i can tell nobody wants to be on ur team and now what branch r u in? none im assuming
Does having women in the commandos make them as a fighting force militarily stronger?If not is there any point? In War you want the very best around, I worry that we are in danger of weakening our forces for dubious ideological reasons.
You my friend, raise an absolutely smart point. Just because we possibly can, doesn't mean we should. Because we can allow women into elite combat units doesn't mean we should, or doesn't mean it will work to the benefit of the unit. Alot of media personnel fail to realize that the training and the all arms course is just the beginning. There is barracks and general regimental life and it's challenges to go through. There is the aspect which is elite combat operations. 16 air assault brigade. Special forces support group. They're not just training to achieve the beret and that's it. It's not a university where you work hard under encouraging conditions, and graduate and then that's the end of that. No. Your work is just beginning when you get that green beret.
It’s already happened?! Too late, and now they are infecting all the teeth arms and special forces with this sjw Femtard disease… The first woman to complete and pass will have first been a man, and they will still only just pass?!
I think there are some military benefits to having women in the commandos - for example communicating with civilians in war-torn countries. A scared civilian woman or child would be far more likely to trust a woman in uniform than some foreign burly dude with a gun. That may be sexist in itself from a “give women the ‘soft’ job” standpoint, like letting them handle communication with kids etc, but it’s a fact. Many people view women as more approachable and less threatening because of the sexist gender expectations in our society, but is it not more empowering for women to harness this attitude to their advantage? Or prove people wrong? And communication is only one of the benefits of having women in our military, they’re plenty of good articles online discussing this by trusted sources such as the bbc, and even if they probably have an agenda, a lot of the points they make are still valid and based on fact. I do think though, that no exceptions should be made for the physical standards, among other things. Wouldn’t it be more sexist if we made a distinction between “here’s what women can achieve” and “here’s what men can achieve”? Idk man, a lot of radical feminists dig themselves into a hole and end up misrepresenting the majority of women who just want equality and are willing to work just as hard, if not harder than men for it. Yes, most women will have to work harder than men to achieve the standards required for the royal marine commandos or the paras for example, but I think as long as we acknowledge their increased effort and help them achieve that standard all is well.
@@tommacquillan7372 sounds like you’ve never served. Leave “men” stuff to men. It’s simple, people like you are what’s destroying society. Women have the biggest egos, they need to absolutely stay in their lane. Especially you!
Late reply but if women can pass the same selection courses to the same standards, the inherent, glaringly obvious military advantage is unlocking 50% of your country's talent pool that was previously untapped. The UK is already struggling with recruitment numbers, unfortunately opening up all roles for women hasn't increased these numbers by a large degree so far. However, the idea is that if one can fine-tune the policy to encourage more female applicants and figure out how to enhance their potential so that they can fight to the same level as their male counterparts, that would be a jackpot for the Ministry of Defence.
Passing the physical requirements is one thing. The rivalries that will inevitably develop in the field are the problem I see, because I've experienced it. We did a 2 month patrol with 4 female junior officers, first patrol with women aboard. It was a clusterfhuck. Dudes were literally fighting over one of them who was playing the field. I love women, but a Marine has to be in very tight quarters with their mates and I don't see it working. We'll see.
don't send children to war
Don't be triggered Alabama Coastie......but your spelling, grammar, and punctuation......OMG! But anyway......The type of incident you have shared, and many other types of incidents not mentioned here yet, saddly have still not been resolved throughout the various branches of the military. From the small unit level up to the flag officer level. The causes and blame fall on both genders. And not always equally. In my 30 year career, I have seen it all. And 65% of the time when gender issues arose in any of my infantry units, it was because of immature, testostrone soaked, ego driven stupidity. I leveled the playing field by applying punishment, to include discharge from service when warrented, equally to all, regardless of gender. One day we will all get there. In and out of uniform.
@@MYZTICTRAVLER Don't be having a pop at other people for their bad grammar when you can't even spell 'sadly' yourself.
It makes you look daft.
@@MYZTICTRAVLER Go to war teacher.
Triggered self appointed demi god,lefty.
Diddums
I remember when i was in the army 20 years ago, SNCO’s would just go around panicking incase someone said or did something that the females attached to the regiment would be offended by. Also if we were out on PT and a woman started to fall back they never got shouted at or grabbed by the scruff and pushed to the front.
"Said or did" what exactly. God forbid they educated you into not being sexist or SH
@@aaronb2779 hahahahahahaaaaaaaa 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😄😄😄😄😄😄
@@aaronb2779 SJW confirmed…
@@IRISHSALTMINER61 Sexist confirmed.
@@IRISHSALTMINER61 Calling out bs doesn't make me a sjw
Fair training - code for reducing the standards.
the standards are changed very year. cope
I bet they've lowered them at the moment because they want more people in.
Stop at 1:37 there you see the math
@@yaboi-km2qn they havent.
So she's not commando trained and hasn't passed the standard
she has passed the standard shes an instructor????
@@red-blue3430 band memeber is not a royal marine.
@@red-blue3430 no she hasn't. she's a band member, not a commando
@@pieface6421 and she took the commando test and past if u would acc like to educate urself. clearly uneducated and wrong
@@red-blue3430 until she's earned her "Green lid" she's NOT a Royal Marine Commando, not being sexsist homophobic or disrespectful of any of the 101 different genders we now " Have" she could be a martian for all i care, im just stating facts, instructor or otherwise.she Might wear RM shoulder flashes but fact is she's only getting bandies ready for the first 4 weeks of general training and not for their Commando course. Hope that helps with any confusion.
OARMAARM.
Codswallop. What are they going to say to the Russians or Chinese in a time of war - please don’t attack now. My hormones are out of whack and my PMT cramps are killing me!
same standards...so how does "hormonal cycle" effect combat
nobody said it did
@@red-blue3430 nobody said it did effect combat which is what is worrying because it definitely will. a royal marine is a COMMANDO at the end of the day. small specialised teams covertly behind enemy lines doing what they need to do and sneaking out the back door when no one’s looking. i’m a man but from what i’ve heard, period pains are sometimes crippling. if i was behind enemy lines with little to no support or QRF, the last thing i’d want is to have a liability on my team because of period pains. that’s how teams get killed
You can look into sports science and hormones all day long as long as the standards which have been set over 350 years do not drop to accommodate females.
The standards are set for a reason.
the standards are changed every year so ur entire argument is irrelevant
@@red-blue3430 The standards may vary over time, but the standards must never be dropped or reduced for Female Marines vs their Male counterparts. Graig's argument is in no way irrelevant as it reinforces the need for not varying the standards between the sexes.
@@red-blue3430 Drop standards and people will die. Simple. Plus SFs intake numbers will suffer too both for SBS & SAS.
@@SomeKidFromBritain "the standards are changed all the time but they must never be changed" do u even hear urself??? the standards have never been lowered for ANYOONE FOGRGET ABOUT WOMEN. it very much is irrelevant as no one even implied of changing these so called "unchanged" standards. a lot of men fail the test but still pass for whatever reaason so yeah his argument is irrelevant.
@@StansOutdoorAdventures the standards are non existent theyre changed yearly and who's changing the standards cos i watched the entire video and nobody mentioned the standards forget about changing them. the royal marines aren't a special force and thats a lie it wont affect them what so ever.Simple. well for us clearly not for u.
There is a reason women never pass commando or SF training
well they do so educate urself./
@@red-blue3430 there is no women Royal Marine commando or in the uk special forces.
Wasn't there a woman in the det in Northern Ireland??
@@alexd4928 I hate to be that guy, but technically there are... women have been serving in the SRR which is a part of UKSF since its creation in 2005. I agree with what's being said here though, so far history has shown us that females can't meet the same standards as men in these roles, although i'd love to see someone get through fair and square!
@@lewismartin4992 understood, I was referring to sas/sbs however I see your point 👍🏼
I'm all for empowering women but even from an equality standpoint, this will reduce the capability of the force. Even if a woman is capable of the exact same as every other man in the team, the sheer fact that she is a woman is detrimental to that team (and it's through no fault of her own).
The dynamic shifts and team cohesion becomes an issue simply by introducing a woman. It's biology for young, fit, aggressive men to alter behavior around a woman. Add to that deployments for months at a time, isolation and stress. What happens if/when there's a hookup and subsequent breakup? What does that do to team cohesion? Does everybody pick a side, like a divorce?
It's natural for men to treat women differently than other men. Old mate next to you takes a round in a firefight it's much easier to put his condition out of your head and get on with the job. If old mate was a woman, all of a sudden the dynamic changes, it's harder to ignore and get on with it.
Are these things the fault of the woman? No. Should they be issues? No. But they are and no amount of policy, legislation, media attention or political correctness is going to change that. What's the simplest solution to these issues? Remove the cause of the problem. It's a hard reality that although the woman may meet all standards and have done nothing wrong, her presence may still detriment the team and it's beyond her control. The number one priority is the capability of the team, if for whatever reason you don't benefit that, sorry but you need to go. It's harsh but simple. The enemy won't care that she's a woman, they won't grant concessions to the team so they can account for any changes and so we shouldn't either.
Warfighting is no place for political correctness.
SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN!
Nah its all in your head mate. Youve made a decision to treat someone different based on gender rather than capability - as you said all else being equal. thats a you problem. If youre a professional then the other person being capable of doing the job to the standard expected is all that matters.
@@CareyB85 it's a biology/psychology problem. They're specifically selecting certain personality types for these kind of roles, during RTI they're exposed to sounds of women being assaulted to get them on edge and work them up. Why? Because the type A personality type reacts to this kind of stimuli and situation in a particular way. Why would they not just have sounds of a generic man being assaulted instead of a woman otherwise? Young, fit, straight, male type A's are going to have certain physiological reactions around young, fit, straight (or otherwise) women, especially adding stress, isolation and time. Am I saying every Commando is like this and will have these biological/physiological issues? No. Am I saying that many/most will? Yes. Whether it's a "you" problem or not, fact is it's a problem, especially when the majority of the team all have the same "you" problem.
@@Wile_E._Wolf I mean, do you have proof of that RTI process? Even so, yes it'll be a certain type of person who can make it there I don't doubt - but I am not sure essentially describing commandos as savages is correct either.
@@CareyB85 I personally experienced the RTI process during training with the Australian Army, I've also spoken to servicemen from various countries who've confirmed that they encountered the same thing during their country's equivalent (Britain included specifically). I'm not describing them as savages, I'm describing them as fully functioning, fit, young soldiers.
Good lord, it's a shoe-in - she was in the RM Band Service, then transferred to help recruits. RM Band don't go through selection commonly done by other ranks. They have done it for PR reasons and / or to placate the MOD.
Just no, i highly doubt they can carry the weight and distance let alone carry a fellow jock injured. Its a bad idea.
yes and yes the test requires u to walk with someoneon ur back for 2 miles so ur clearly uneducated. dont talk if u know nothing.
I see the UK Army not telling the truth on the outcome with FM Soldiers…..Pelvic injuries and fractures.
Its not sexist, its biology.
its not seixt to let a women passs the same test as a man? whats that got to do with sexism or biology. and if u wanna talk abut biology lets talk about male biology and how they have 30% more chance to be obese. should they not be allowed in the marines now
@@red-blue3430 copium is strong here
@@red-blue3430 do it again in English please you're not making any sense.
@@pieface6421 i thought it was called opiod idk what copium is
@@red-blue3430 that obese comment was a massive reach
It states that so far none of the 250 female appicants have become a Royal Marines Commando.
It would be interesting to know which at which part the majority have gone no further; have they got as far as the 4 tests and if so which one did they fail?
I sincerely hope I'm wrong but cannot see a female ever passing unless allowances are made.
It would be interesting to see how they justify spending taxpayers money on a fools errand, what ever allowances are made in training aren't going to be there when it counts.
Only 1/2 a dozen have started training!
Of those only 1 has made it past the week 6 PT pass-in and she's not anywhere close to Commando Phase.
They will do what it takes to make sure she "passes "
she already did
@@red-blue3430 No she did not.
@@Jake-pm3pz the way u never eplied HELP/.... she passsed facT
@@red-blue3430 she hasn’t passed. from what i’ve seen out of the 250 applicant only 10 or so have actually passed the 3 day fitness test and the furthest anyone has got it week 14 and it took her 18 months to get there. she’s not a commando
Why didn't she carry a trumpet on the march?
I'm quite sure the enemy won't lower ITS standards just to accommodate woke " fair training" standards for femmes in any of Britain's special forces - there's an obvious reason why certain forces have a low passing out rate , although , in this woke world , it's just a matter of time before a " trans'" tries his / her /its luck , then correct battlefield pronoun classes will have to become part of the training !!!!
what enemy? what standards????? i can tell ur a rightists spreading rightists lies. the standards to join the royal marines are reviewed and largely changed every year depending on pass out rates. trans ppl r in the forces but thats another lie ur trying to spread. its the armies fault u cant use she/her right when its taught in nursery???? if ur dumb and "woke" say that and take ur lies else where.
Thought all instructors had to have passed the whole 32 weeks
Let’s take a really independent in-depth view and research to see if we can cut corners for a small amount of female troops who may want to do this.
If I'm not mistaken wasn't there a female that passed the commando course a few decades ago?
You're mistaken.
She passed the All Arms Commando course. So she was already a serving (Army) soldier, now eligible to serve in 3 Commando Brigade. This is to become a Royal Marine Commando.
@@thomasb4152 - They have to pass the Commando tests regardless . Which are the the same as the RM Cdo.
@@garrywynne1218 correct. But they are not Royal Marines.
how many females passed so far?
Why is it such a struggle to get women through this course? Is it worth the effort for some woke points? What's the real goal here?
I'm a 41 year old fat bloke, can you put the same effort in to get me through
I mean sure, but it’s just not necessary… As soon as the standards start to drop AT ALL, it’s the end for the Royal Marines…
Not political correct but some things should stay the same
If she can pass the same level of tests, great
For the record, she is not a royal marine commando she is in the band service. She’s been given a recruit troop in the name of inclusivity. She doesn’t have a green lid and she’s not done the commando course
if women's strength declines more sharply than men then that suggests they are not well suited to the toughness of Marines and special forces in warfare. Regular infantry are not challenged so hard and of course tanks, anti-aircraft and other combat roles can be. more suited. maybe. It's good to research properly so as not to waste good women, but standards are there for a reason.
Suitability is determined on exactly that. Your suitability. Not what sex you are.
@@aaronb2779 if you can pass the requirements it doesn’t matter
@@aaronb2779 In theory, yes but in reality, women will never fulfil this type of role within the military. There is more to warfare than just being able to complete a yomp within a certain time. The yomp is the easy bit, you then have to actually fight
@@StevenSmith-mk5fg Why? There are already women serving infantry roles in the military. Stop being sexists its 2022
@@aaronb2779 That's the most stupid thing I have heard in a long time.
As long as standards do not drop then anyone regardless of gender should be allowed to join. However with a few exceptions marine training will not be compatible for females to be able to complete it There is nothing wrong with this.. simply that males are physically more able to pass the required standards.
wrong. females have passed it
No. Women should not be allowed to join. There is nothing wrong with telling a Woman NO, there is no place for you in this unit.
Not got a problem a Royal Marine woman but how many of them would be able to carry a fellow Royal Marine a bloke who weighs maybe 13st out of any danger area
What is the situation of females who wear the maroon beret?
Do they do P company, to the same standard as men ?
P Coy has nothing to do with the Cherry Berry.
It's the head dress of anyone who joins 16 AAB and that doesn't require passing P Coy.
@@JammyDodger45 interesting, not being from the U.K.
How do you tell a non para badged having passed P company by insignia, or badges ?
why though?
Why not?
@@Izzy-qf1do Because their training to be commandos in combat, if a woman isn’t at the same standard then she would be a liability to peoples lives and the mission too.
@@Jake-pm3pz nobody is saying they need to change the standards.
Back again for a second time " 😅😅😅 ", still holding my breath!
I don’t care if there are women in the military. If the recruits can demonstrate they’re capable and can pass selection then anyone irrespective of they’re male, female, LGBTQ/LGBTQ2+, of whatever religious faith and background deserves to wear the uniform. I wish any serving member of the UK military all the very best in their chosen path and that they remain safe from harm.
Well said, Sir.
@@JohnSmith-fs2tw Hi, Mr Smith. You would be right if it were all for one candidate but, over the years ahead, it is highly-likely very many more women will join. Indeed, the British armed forces now has an important percentage of women within their ranks - not to mention their Commander-In-Chief.
I argued that strength may be in many types, above.
Cheers.
@@JohnSmith-fs2tw Damn, didn't realise I was in the Neanderthal Channel's comment section. 🤦♂
@@pipercessna3827 Don’t worry, John Smith sounds incredibly bitter. I wonder if he got rejected by the military? Or maybe he just didn’t have the balls for what it takes.
Stop smoking dope […] it’s clouding your brain..
I hope that things have moved along since this was posted 5 years ago
Nice try 🎣
Just make sure you put quality over who’s in your team, if it means an all-man team then be it.
all peoples must pass the test, the test shouldnt cater to the people. but fair enough to any person for passing the course
I was British Army infantry and trained recruits, albeit reserves. Why is the MOD so desperate to get women into the infantry? Are women queing up to join the infantry? Not in my experience.
Why not make a separate branch for women? I don't know why we expect them to match a man 1:1 in this line of work. I think it's a bit of an unrealistic expectation. Lower the bar a bit and put them in another group. Do we really want a bunch of abnormally muscular women? They have strengths elsewhere. I understand this may be an issue when one of them falls and they have to carry a stretcher, etc. but if they're all part of the same group wouldn't that make it relative? weight/effort wise. I don't know, I think we're throwing back perfectly good fish, lol.
I joined The Corps in February 1986 and my troop would have gladly embraced a few female recruits, sadly that attitude wasn't in vogue then but I'm glad it is today. Todays Nods don't know they're born.
That's kind of surprising. My impression is that the vast majority of people with experience in any kind of infantry/close ground combat role in the military is opposed to integrating women, even today.
Science this, science that, data, blah, blah, blah… The short answer as to why there are no female Royal Marines is because they are simply not physiologically robust enough in all physical aspects when compared to a male to successfully complete the training. That does not mean it can’t happen. It just means, by the sheer fact of genetics, it is that much harder for them. That’s it. That’s all it is. No gender inequality, no sexism, no this or that, just simple biology. And that is fine. As long as they get the opportunity to try, which they do. And as long as they have to meet the exact same requirements in all regards.
All for equality, however there is a differential and that needs to be realised and accepted, especially in the physical capabilities.
There does exist various standards for age groups and following some studies should be able to assess fairly any standard to be achieved.
Horses for courses in all things.
Respect this as long as level doesn’t drop male or female one of best Regiments in obviously best forces in world that from English lifelong civvie bless ya all and thanks
Women in the military do very well in support roles and I acknowledge the fact that there are female fighter pilots as well as Royal Navy warship commanding officers. However, imagine a modern day scenario similar to the Falklands war where, as we all know, the Paras and Royal Marines tabbed/yomped some 50 miles to the outskirts of Stanley, carrying 120+ lbs of kit over boggy ground, rock runs and having to deal with constant rain, wind, snow, no hot food ( with the exception of ration packs) and fight battles such as Wireless Ridge, Mont Longdon and Two Sisters to name but a few. Not all the troops on the march made it to Stanley, mainly due to trench foot. The fact that the vast majority of troops completed the tab/ yomp is a testament to their training and physical fitness. I am not a mysogynist, but does anyone seriously think that a platoon or company or battalion of females could achieve the same result?
I come from a family of professional soldiers with fifty plus years service and combat deployments. Woman do not belong in combat units. It is a job for men only. Why choose a woman over a 20 year old man who can run all day and spend weeks in the Field with only baby wipes to stay clean and then fight a battle at the end of it . soldiers don’t want women next to them in battle they want strong men who can go the distance and women cannot keep that up the way a man can. They are not allowed to say these things because of politics. But in private this is what soldiers think. Women have their place but it is not in combat roles .
I am 6'5", and back in 1985 Cpl Picknel, a 5'2" female, picked me up in a fireman's carry with ease. I was a solid 220 lbs and one of the tallest/heaviest in the unit. No, it wasn't combat, and I didn't have any gear on, but it is surprising just how capable woman can be and I would never count them out.
6’5” 220lb, you were skinny, and when the 5’2” female corporal picked you up, you were still standing on the ground… I do not believe your anecdotal story. You put 220lb on a 5’2” female, she’s folding like a used deck chair?!
A fat WRAC was not running around with a body building squaddie on her back, ever?!
@@IRISHSALTMINER61 I didn't think she could do it either. And then she did. I was scared as hell that she was going to get injured, but also massively impressed. I don't suggest that anyone believe some random guy on the internet with anecdotal evidence, but I have the luxury of having seen it first hand (I was there).
@@blacksmith67 Your anecdote presents kind of a straw man argument though (I'm not saying you were doing it intentionally). Nobody would suggest that ALL women are weaker than ALL men, and I'm sure you weren't suggesting that all women are capable of the kind of strength you witnessed. That woman is probably stronger than some men, but one woman being able to do that doesn't mean that ANY woman can, even with a lot of strength training. If most women were like that Corporal, there would be female marines already.
My suggestion for giving women more of a chance in RM training would be to prepare them better. If a woman wants to try out, there should be an extra period of build-up training at the start. In fact, such a program already exists - the All Arms Commando Course. Candidates on that course are generally not coming from combat arms, so they undergo quite a long build-up period (I think about 8 weeks) to get their fitness and endurance up to somewhere approximating RM standards before they start the commando course proper. I think there are some women in the 3 Commando Bde support arms. I know RM selection has changed recently to be more physically progressive so it might actually look more like that now.
UNLESS YOU HAD SOLID EVIDENCE, this is too far fetched unless she was on peformance enhancing drugs!
Saving private Ryan comes to mind.
What's the big push to try and get women into the Marines and SF regiments?
One standard for all, no exceptions, no problems.
How many women really want to be a RM as a career. I'm sure there's a few that would train there arse off to pass the course but would they want to do the actual job?
And the especially built lady barracks is still empty ?!
Women normally excel at snipering, might want to try her at this.
women out in the field in combat situations have a hygene problem so I don't think they will eve be front line. certainly not SF
RIP RM COMBAT EFFECTIVENESS 😂😂
I don’t like the idea that women have to be pushed into these roles. Like In the slide it said “women underrepresented” now is that because women are just being pushed away or is it just because women don’t really on a whole actually want to be a Front line role let alone RMC. I think like many others put is that as long as the standards are the same for both sex’s then that won’t cause much issues when it comes to respect for the soldiers. I don’t think pushing to have women in the military in front line combat is a the best idea and doing it just because there “low representation” doesn’t make it right.
A lot of Birds are really underrated.....
A new Beginning to many ends
You know the standards will change. Dam politicians
Women need their own regiment.
Zero for 250? Lower the standards or give it up!
How is woman gonna carry say a 15 stone man on her back. While running?
If it’s earned, it’s earned. Doesn’t matter if you male or female.
Any unit is only as strong as the weakest link, so provided that female performance doesn't make them the weakest link good luck to them.
So long as standards aren't dropped, like the army does.
They have a lot to say about it, but not one has the Green Lid!?
Talk about it, when you've done it.
Well done, that thing the way.😯😌👍
They'll make selection easier. Watch standards plummet.
Victoria Pendleton ... awesome cyclist but she missed out on a handful of Gold Medals because she was as emotionally brittle as a slice of burnt toast!
Hardly the inspirational role model for aspiring female RMC.
Couldn't CTCRM find the phone number for Jasmine Paris, who, as far as I'm aware, is the only female athlete in the world who holds a record in a combined male/female discipline (The Spine Race).
Notwithstanding the value of the intent it's clear that chasing a female RMC is a total pipe dream.
in 4yrs only 10 have passed PRMC (obv pre covid) only 5 have started training, 3 didn't make it through the easy 2 week Induction, 1 made week 6 but had been excused PT since week 4 and 1 has made week 14 but has taken 18mths to get there (a couple of weeks in a Troop then into Remedial for a couple of months and repeat time and again) and yet she still can not pass the Bottom Field Tests
But the issue here isn't the fact females can't get through, its that we're wasting their time promising them they can do it when they can't. They could be forging careers in another role but we're pushing them into risking long term injuries trying to attain the impossible.
And, even worse than that, Recruit Training isn't anywhere near as hard as the first year on a Commando Unit! How will she cope then without the bespoke support of CTCRM?
That's not equality, it's pure sexism hiding behind the pretence of equality and it does both parties a significant disservice.
can you explain what you mean by the first year at a commando unit is harder than training? not asking about the women it’s just i’m looking ti start training round autumn next year so just want to know what the first year will be like when i hopefully pass
@@user-ss2dt6gt5f - given that you're just about to embark upon your journey into the Corps it will be hard for you to appreciate the levels you need to hit just to get through training never mind prosper on a Commando Unit.
It's probably easier to say that you leave training feeling on top of the world like you know everything and can do anything and then you hit a Unit and realise that everyone knows so much more than you and is so much fitter than you that you never get to rest or cruise through. It's a slog. But your Section Corporal will take you under his wing and drive you forward.
But you don't need to worry about that buddy, you've got hundreds of challenges to overcome before you get there!
My condolences.
The commandos are done
As long as standards remain the same. It won’t, but i hope it does.
Can't really see it
I'm not saying someone male or female should be stopped from trying
But it's just physical
A female athlete isn't going to be able to beat or stay with the men at same age and weight levels
Plus I did spend some time with the boot necks and nearly all the navy lads couldn't of competed either
Some did however go and get their lids
Never mind the training for any potential female joining an elite fighting force , its as and when they actually get onto the front line of combat operations , even before the battle, example being inserted onto the ground, carrying your own battle order plus laden down with additional equipment and support ammunition , and then yomping miles over hilly terrain in extreme hot or cold conditions , as for the battle nothing worse than taking hits in a fire fight and watching your mates going down, but a women , that puts a bigger phycological factor and strain on the whole team, even worse with the thought of capture by the enemy !
I wouldn't go to war with her
You’ll be sorry…
Is that actually a woman?
Thanks you help for Ukraine 👍
GL
What the gell for
With all the defence cuts and limited numbers of troops, what a waste of money.
Yet. Important word that. Love what Victoria' Pendleton was saying there, it harks back to Roger Bannister and co looking to break the 4 minute mile - the psychological aspect of getting the first past the past is huge, well looking forward to hearing about the 1st woman making the grade, it's gonna be epic!
Keep hoping, it's not going to happen any time soon.
If ever.
Name me one Olympic sport where the female speed/height/distance etc outdoes the male record?
I can't think of any.
For every 100 men who applies only 1 gets a Green Beret, so far 2 1/2 times that number of females have applied and only 1 has got past the week 6 physical pass-in and nowhere close to the week 14 phase 1 pass out.
That's just the facts and facts don't care about your butt hurting over the truth.
To date no female has passed training,that speaks for itself,
so marines meen nothing now. they lowered standards to nothing.
Afraid she can do a better job than you?
@@Izzy-qf1do As the article points out, 250 applied and none have made it. So little likelihood she can do a better job.
No they haven’t.
@@Izzy-qf1do already done ranger school and 4 combat deployments
So in 2yrs and despite 250 female candidates there has been zero passes ? Most blokes would not pass the RM commando training ..seems it's a lot of effort for no reward ( so far). Good luck to the female that passes but it ain't going to happen anytime soon .
Hahahah look at this. Could you imigaine sending them into to do a opp. Against chinese and russian force's we need to stop wasting money on this nonsense
Woman should be able to contribute to the military but should also be staying safe at home as a normal society would do.
Yup, and all the lads will have their eyes on the shrubbery and be thinking about the opposition when on patrol, and there will be no extra curricular activities when everyone is back at the base? I foresee trouble ahead, with this. But, WTF, do I know? Did 13 months in RVN, carrying a bullet launcher, '66-'67, wonderful vacation in a wonderful place, all paid for, paid for by Uncle Sam.
There’s a lot more to it than just meeting the physical standards. It poses serious cultural social and social questions!!!