i think you need to run the test again. call me crazy but there was some major contradictions on this test. the .22 showed on the gel that it has more penetration than the .25 but the bologna test showed the .25 having more penetration than the .22 something went wrong..
Not necessarily it comes down to viscosity of the gel and the speed of each pellet the 22 cal moving about 100 fps faster and 10 grains lighter it will dump less energy into the target and use its speed to bore through the gel the .25 cal weighing 10 grains more and going about 100 fps slower will smack harder initially as you can see in the video and dump more energy into the target whilst leaving a more devastating wound channel
Can you turn the regulator up to equal on the .25 cal? If so... would have been cool to see the penetration of the ballistics gel for that scenario. I’m sure it probably would have blown through... but it would be neat to see the damage . Thanks for showing us this!!
The regulator set just creates better consistency finding the sweet spot for the Air rifles consistency for amount of shots. The hammer spring turns up or down for actual power.
@@joshuagibson2520 it's not so much price as it tends to punch through and damage stuff. My .177 or .22 take out the target but not damage things behind it. I use my rifles for pest control so stuff is often behind the critters.
@@nope8535 I can certainly understand and respect that. I do a lot of plinking more than anything. It's just more cost effective for me to stick with 22 was all I meant.
@@joshuagibson2520 oh yeah, .22 is way cheaper for target shooting. I got the .177 for plinking mostly myself, but even it has come into varmint control use.
I love watching different calibre Pellet comparison videos, so many on TH-cam with so many getting different results, I have BB, .177, . 22 & .25 guns And all I know is, I wouldn't want to be hit with a .25 😂
Great Job James. You nailed it on comparing different calibers and the same energy with the same pellets. It is clear more mass with the increased frontal size will do more damage than speed!
These are the true test of what a rifle is doing. 😁👍 Everyone knows this. As kids we inherently knew to attempt shooting through different objects, to test a guns performance. Many a soup can and soda can have fell victim. Keep up the good fight!
That's why I love your videos you are regular guy using stuff that we can get a hole of and don't have a lot of money. I have a Gamo Whisper swarm but I'm working on getting your PCP I'm keep watching your videos to figure out which one to get
Thanks for real world ,working guy assessments of affordable airguns. I’ve been getting more useful information here than anywhere else on the airguns I’m interested in. P.S. Your review of the Beeman Chief’s trigger really helped me. I decided to get one but couldn’t find one. I did ,however, come across the new Beeman Chief 2 plus (model 1336) for the price of a Chief.$178. Same trigger. Ten round magazine. 3000psi fill!
You forgot to mention that for the .25 caliber ace Venturi bologna test that you set the regulator at max, or close to its max. You may have just mistakenly set it higher, but the velocity reading for that particular shot was 1,298 fps.
I was wondering the same thing, I like the .25 yet the .22 has more choices along with the very affordable 500ct crosman premiere domes in .22cal which the advenger shoots really well.🎯✌️
It shows that surface area is very important. Being that the .22 has a much smaller area and a greater speed that it would penetrate more. Mass x acceleration divided by surface area= pressure or force. That's why the gell experiment was so different between both calibers. Great job again.
That test is an oxymoron. We shoot .22 at a higher velocity for a reason. You don't need a test to know if you fire two different sie pellets at the same velocity to know the results. Not sure what the point was here? They both have different uses.
What’s up James!!! I was wondering if you could help me or let me know wat you think is wrong with my 25 cal. Avenger!!! I’ve only shot 4 clips out of it!!! Put it up it sat for like 5 months went to air it up with my hand pump and now I’m leaking air from somewhere and I can’t find we’re it’s leaking from!!!
I have an 800 FPS .22 air rifle & a 700 FPS .25 air rifle… Using 14 grain (.22) & 25 grain (.25) pellets. They both will kill any rabbit or squirrel 🐿, but .25 caliber energy being the greatest isn’t even questionable.
If comparing 22 to a 25 wouldn't you want to see what they do set at normal tune. To compare the difference. My 25 I say would blow plum thru that gel easily. Just wondering. Any ways good info buddy. Love your show Im wanting to start channel but camera for scope is expensive.
I don't get how the .25 went threw the bologna at 1200 something feet per second and then through the ballistic gel at 800 something feet per second. If it shot 1200+ at the gel it would have went threw I'm sure.
I'd like to see some jsb ultra shock testing with both cal's. I got some in .22 cal over the weekend 25.39 gr, wondering what kind of damage these will do?
I'm curious about why you are keeping the FPE equal in the latest videos. All that will be measured in this case is the impact difference between the calibers. Of course, if that is what you want to check, good setup. For myself, I look for performance indicators - ie. How much more performance can I get with "X" gun? In such a setup, it checks which gun has more performance and target effectiveness - regardless of the caliber or speed.
Weird that the bologna and gel tests were so different? But I noticed your crono only read 640 I believe compared to the 865 earlier because I figured that the .25 would pass through the gel like the bologna.
Yea that .25 is doing some damage! I like the .22 because mine is shooting 14.66 grains at 920 for around 27 FPE as well and the hold at 25 and 45 is almost the same. At 50 it’s slightly over and I’ve taken pest birds at 75 yards. .25 cal is next for me.
A .177 would take a coyote with a perfect heart shot. However, to humanely dispatch a coyote and drop it so it doesn’t go running off wounded. It’s all about shot placement and the more FPE will give you some wiggle room for shot placement and (some) margin of error. Especially if you’re trying to protect livestock you want to make that shot count. I would just use a Ruger 10/22 with less margin of error going for a head shot. In the end people are going to use what they have but shot placement is always the most important IMO.
Good stuff. Should have brought out the bulldog 357 last. Give the folks who don't know a example of how hard it hits.easy for me to spend your grocery money though....lol
Thanks for the great video and the comparison between. 22 and .25. I've been debating about whether I should move up to the .25 and PCP airguns or stick with my Gamo Swarm Magnum gen 2 breakbarrels. I think that this video answered that question for me...less tissue damage but enough energy to get the job done. Thanks again. Stay Safe, Be Well, God Bless.
@@garychandler4296 I bought and paid for the Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen 2 but was sent the Gen 3i. I have pretty poor vision and wanted the Gen 2 because it has backup sights in case the scope failed. So I returned the Gen 3i, and it took a while before I was able to find someone selling the Gen 2. I will let you know how I like it after I get to shoot a few hundred pellets. I also have the Silent Cat and the Viper Express in .22 to compare it against. I wanted a Swarm Magnum because of the increase in fpe for more penetration and expansion of hollow points and for a more humane harvest. I also wanted the Swarm Magnum in case I needed faster reload if I missed the first shot or if the first shot was only a wounding shot. So I will let you know how well it performs after I get to hunting with it. I am glad I was able to find the Gen 2 though.
@Gary Chandler I have 3 magnums.The Gen 2,Gen 3 and the single shot springer GR (all in .22)All great guns.At 30 yards,they penetrate through and absolutely demolish 3/4 inch plywood and I can hit a the bullseye of a one inch target repeatedly.Plenty of power and accuracy once zeroed in.I put 1/8 inch steel on the back of 3/4 inch plywood out of curiosity to see if it could go through.I used H&N hornets.Took ten shots with them.They went through the wood and really punched out the steel behind it with a couple that actually penetrated the steel.Not completely through,they got got stuck but,made a hole with the tip of the pellet sticking out the back of the steel.Im pretty impressed with them.Even with hollow points and domed pellets they destroy 3/4 inch plywood at 30 yards in one magazine.
@@BobzAirgunz I'll have to try the Hornets for my defense mags if they're that good, but another channel tried pointed pellets vs hollow points, and the HP's did more damage to the gel block and the points penetrated more. Kind of a trade off, but I'm thinking coats and clothing then bone - penetration wins if you ask me.
Wouldnt it make more sence to set the guns at the same power level to see the power diffrence between the projectiles . When you set them to the same energy level You're going to see the same result every time which is the 22 cal will penetrate more because it has less surface area and less resistance . I think most people are hunting birds, squirrels and maybe raccoon size animals. You typically get 100% full pass through with both calibers so there's no point of trying to get more penetration more energy in a bigger wound channel would be better
The more I see on the Avengers, the less I like my Diana Stormrider! May be doing a trade sumday. Scoped, I only get 1-1/2" groups at 100' with a full rest.
wierd that the .25 goes only about 1/2 way through gel, but all the way through baloney, while the .22 goes 3/4 way through balony, but almost all the way through gel-
im a fan of fps when your looking at both put it this way..... one chevy truck has 397hp the other 402 hp the 397hp truck is 25k the 402 hp truck is 29k lol is paying 4k more worth a hardly noticeable 5 hp increase no its not 22 will hit its target faster 25 harder ill take the cheetah over a lion anyday
You should've shown us the pellets after being removed from the medium.
i think you need to run the test again. call me crazy but there was some major contradictions on this test. the .22 showed on the gel that it has more penetration than the .25 but the bologna test showed the .25 having more penetration than the .22 something went wrong..
Was thinking the same
Not necessarily it comes down to viscosity of the gel and the speed of each pellet the 22 cal moving about 100 fps faster and 10 grains lighter it will dump less energy into the target and use its speed to bore through the gel the .25 cal weighing 10 grains more and going about 100 fps slower will smack harder initially as you can see in the video and dump more energy into the target whilst leaving a more devastating wound channel
Can you turn the regulator up to equal on the .25 cal? If so... would have been cool to see the penetration of the ballistics gel for that scenario. I’m sure it probably would have blown through... but it would be neat to see the damage . Thanks for showing us this!!
The regulator set just creates better consistency finding the sweet spot for the Air rifles consistency for amount of shots. The hammer spring turns up or down for actual power.
I've got .177, .22, and .25. Each are useful for different reasons.
My .25 doesnt get a lot of use, my .22 is my work horse that gets most jobs done.
I've been discouraged with the pellet price difference for 25 also.
@@joshuagibson2520 it's not so much price as it tends to punch through and damage stuff. My .177 or .22 take out the target but not damage things behind it.
I use my rifles for pest control so stuff is often behind the critters.
@@nope8535 I can certainly understand and respect that. I do a lot of plinking more than anything. It's just more cost effective for me to stick with 22 was all I meant.
@@joshuagibson2520 oh yeah, .22 is way cheaper for target shooting. I got the .177 for plinking mostly myself, but even it has come into varmint control use.
I love watching different calibre Pellet comparison videos, so many on TH-cam with so many getting different results, I have BB, .177, . 22 & .25 guns And all I know is, I wouldn't want to be hit with a .25 😂
Great Job James. You nailed it on comparing different calibers and the same energy with the same pellets. It is clear more mass with the increased frontal size will do more damage than speed!
But we now must see the. 22 turned up to 50 ft pounds. Sharp cheddar would be a good target. Or perhaps a raw turkey.
@@heithwatkins You can afford to shoot CHEESE? Dayum!
These are the true test of what a rifle is doing. 😁👍
Everyone knows this. As kids we inherently knew to attempt shooting through different objects, to test a guns performance. Many a soup can and soda can have fell victim.
Keep up the good fight!
Lol about five mins ago a stack of dip cans met the same fate
.22 = penetration
.25 = impact
Both calibers have their place.
That's why I love your videos you are regular guy using stuff that we can get a hole of and don't have a lot of money. I have a Gamo Whisper swarm but I'm working on getting your PCP I'm keep watching your videos to figure out which one to get
Was your reg set at same fill pressure?
Great video James 👍👍 the power of the.25 is ausom
Thanks for real world ,working guy assessments of affordable airguns. I’ve been getting more useful information here than anywhere else on the airguns I’m interested in.
P.S. Your review of the Beeman Chief’s trigger really helped me. I decided to get one but couldn’t find one. I did ,however, come across the new Beeman Chief 2 plus (model 1336) for the price of a Chief.$178. Same trigger. Ten round magazine. 3000psi fill!
You forgot to mention that for the .25 caliber ace Venturi bologna test that you set the regulator at max, or close to its max. You may have just mistakenly set it higher, but the velocity reading for that particular shot was 1,298 fps.
What's Up James!👍🏿 Keep up the good work! I have the Air Venturi Avenger .25cal so your videos are very helpful!
Easy install works great
Somewhat informative thanks
Great video James. After owning the Avenger in both 22 and 25, which would you recommend? If you had to pick one? Thanks and happy new year.
I was wondering the same thing, I like the .25 yet the .22 has more choices along with the very affordable 500ct crosman premiere domes in .22cal which the advenger shoots really well.🎯✌️
It shows that surface area is very important. Being that the .22 has a much smaller area and a greater speed that it would penetrate more. Mass x acceleration divided by surface area= pressure or force. That's why the gell experiment was so different between both calibers. Great job again.
I still understand the 2 different results though? Is it based on the material you shoot at?
So the 25. Has more penatration than the 22.? I need to know for self defense
That test is an oxymoron. We shoot .22 at a higher velocity for a reason. You don't need a test to know if you fire two different sie pellets at the same velocity to know the results. Not sure what the point was here? They both have different uses.
What’s up James!!! I was wondering if you could help me or let me know wat you think is wrong with my 25 cal. Avenger!!! I’ve only shot 4 clips out of it!!! Put it up it sat for like 5 months went to air it up with my hand pump and now I’m leaking air from somewhere and I can’t find we’re it’s leaking from!!!
I have an 800 FPS .22 air rifle & a 700 FPS .25 air rifle… Using 14 grain (.22) & 25 grain (.25) pellets. They both will kill any rabbit or squirrel 🐿, but .25 caliber energy being the greatest isn’t even questionable.
I wonder what the 25 cal what have done at a more normal 850 880 fps.
How many inches did the .22 enter into the gel?
That's a bunch of bologna nice job, my .25 is my go to gun. Aspen seneca very accurate.
Enjoy your videos but why not use same weight projectiles in each caliber ??
Would that not be a closer comparison??
next time shoot a loaf of bread and a jar of mayo and youll be ready for lunch! Great video!
And some pepper jack
What is your backdrop? A pile of sticks and your neighbor's wood fence?
Me i know how much is the price of .25cal sir?
Polly Meg are the shit always have been great great round in any caliber
If comparing 22 to a 25 wouldn't you want to see what they do set at normal tune. To compare the difference. My 25 I say would blow plum thru that gel easily. Just wondering. Any ways good info buddy. Love your show Im wanting to start channel but camera for scope is expensive.
the 25 cal also was doing 1298 through bologna which puts it at 97 ft pounds not 27
@@josemoreno5758 his chrono isnt working properly...that avenger .25 cannot produce anywhere near 97 fpe
I don't get how the .25 went threw the bologna at 1200 something feet per second and then through the ballistic gel at 800 something feet per second. If it shot 1200+ at the gel it would have went threw I'm sure.
I caught that same inconsistency
I'd like to see some jsb ultra shock testing with both cal's. I got some in .22 cal over the weekend 25.39 gr, wondering what kind of damage these will do?
that'd definitely be a good comparison
extremely good vid im torn between hatsan .22, .25 and a 550 fps .30 im thinking .30 now after seeing this,
Thanks James, I wasn't to surprised with the results. In my opinion, mass always wins! This was proved in your video. Have a nice day!
How about some sandwishes I’m a wishing for some fried bologna. Great video. I have a Airforce .22 and I really like to have a .25 Avenger.
Great vid. Keep them coming
nice test that some deep pinnation bro
Somebody either likes bologna or doesn't like bologna. Lol
Maybe it's the size of the hammer driving the nail in?
I'm curious about why you are keeping the FPE equal in the latest videos. All that will be measured in this case is the impact difference between the calibers. Of course, if that is what you want to check, good setup. For myself, I look for performance indicators - ie. How much more performance can I get with "X" gun? In such a setup, it checks which gun has more performance and target effectiveness - regardless of the caliber or speed.
I agree,, now set both guns at 900 fps and see what difference is, would the 22 travel deeper than 25? Same speed at impact but smaller hole?
Weird that the bologna and gel tests were so different? But I noticed your crono only read 640 I believe compared to the 865 earlier because I figured that the .25 would pass through the gel like the bologna.
Yea that .25 is doing some damage! I like the .22 because mine is shooting 14.66 grains at 920 for around 27 FPE as well and the hold at 25 and 45 is almost the same. At 50 it’s slightly over and I’ve taken pest birds at 75 yards. .25 cal is next for me.
good power from those,i got the 25 cal aspen.God bless.
If hunting ballistic gel I will use the .25, If another bologna invasion the .22 will be best.
God bless you and family!awesome video brother.
Just got me a .25 break barrel that will generate around 30fpe with a h&n hornet. Hatsan 125 spring piston. It's a frigging beast.
Do you thikthe .25 would take a coyote?
A .177 would take a coyote with a perfect heart shot. However, to humanely dispatch a coyote and drop it so it doesn’t go running off wounded. It’s all about shot placement and the more FPE will give you some wiggle room for shot placement and (some) margin of error. Especially if you’re trying to protect livestock you want to make that shot count. I would just use a Ruger 10/22 with less margin of error going for a head shot. In the end people are going to use what they have but shot placement is always the most important IMO.
Is why I like small calibur so much! 😮😱💥💪Not so much AVA or the Umarex Origin😟😟😟
Lol if it was today’s prices you wouldn’t be wasting food
9:48 That's a bunch of bologna and you know it!
Good stuff. Should have brought out the bulldog 357 last. Give the folks who don't know a example of how hard it hits.easy for me to spend your grocery money though....lol
Thanks for the great video and the comparison between. 22 and .25. I've been debating about whether I should move up to the .25 and PCP airguns or stick with my Gamo Swarm Magnum gen 2 breakbarrels. I think that this video answered that question for me...less tissue damage but enough energy to get the job done.
Thanks again.
Stay Safe, Be Well, God Bless.
How do you like the Swarm? I almost got one for plinking but liked the Stormrider for its magazine better. Also the power.
@@garychandler4296 I bought and paid for the Gamo Swarm Magnum Gen 2 but was sent the Gen 3i.
I have pretty poor vision and wanted the Gen 2 because it has backup sights in case the scope failed. So I returned the Gen 3i, and it took a while before I was able to find someone selling the Gen 2.
I will let you know how I like it after I get to shoot a few hundred pellets. I also have the Silent Cat and the Viper Express in .22 to compare it against. I wanted a Swarm Magnum because of the increase in fpe for more penetration and expansion of hollow points and for a more humane harvest. I also wanted the Swarm Magnum in case I needed faster reload if I missed the first shot or if the first shot was only a wounding shot. So I will let you know how well it performs after I get to hunting with it.
I am glad I was able to find the Gen 2 though.
@@kenfan5666 Ya, would be nice to hear back from you!
@Gary Chandler I have 3 magnums.The Gen 2,Gen 3 and the single shot springer GR (all in .22)All great guns.At 30 yards,they penetrate through and absolutely demolish 3/4 inch plywood and I can hit a the bullseye of a one inch target repeatedly.Plenty of power and accuracy once zeroed in.I put 1/8 inch steel on the back of 3/4 inch plywood out of curiosity to see if it could go through.I used H&N hornets.Took ten shots with them.They went through the wood and really punched out the steel behind it with a couple that actually penetrated the steel.Not completely through,they got got stuck but,made a hole with the tip of the pellet sticking out the back of the steel.Im pretty impressed with them.Even with hollow points and domed pellets they destroy 3/4 inch plywood at 30 yards in one magazine.
@@BobzAirgunz I'll have to try the Hornets for my defense mags if they're that good, but another channel tried pointed pellets vs hollow points, and the HP's did more damage to the gel block and the points penetrated more. Kind of a trade off, but I'm thinking coats and clothing then bone - penetration wins if you ask me.
Wife: Any idea what happened to the sandwich meat?
Wouldnt it make more sence to set the guns at the same power level to see the power diffrence between the projectiles . When you set them to the same energy level You're going to see the same result every time which is the 22 cal will penetrate more because it has less surface area and less resistance . I think most people are hunting birds, squirrels and maybe raccoon size animals. You typically get 100% full pass through with both calibers so there's no point of trying to get more penetration more energy in a bigger wound channel would be better
The more I see on the Avengers, the less I like my Diana Stormrider! May be doing a trade sumday. Scoped, I only get 1-1/2" groups at 100' with a full rest.
There is no way .22 goes only 856 w ur gun and 1900 psi some thing is off here , actually with same pressure.22 s penetration is better
Always look forward to your videos
Well. Not bad
22 higher speed 25 better at 100 yards
Good idea to mention the thumbs up 👍… Really. I always forget to do that….
Hey! Bologna doesn't grow on trees!!!
wierd that the .25 goes only about 1/2 way through gel, but all the way through baloney, while the .22 goes 3/4 way through balony, but almost all the way through gel-
That speaks to the speed of the .22 vs the power of the .25. Bologna has much less resistance than gel as it's basically meat paste.
Sectional density maybe?
If you are hunting for bird meat, like a pigeon/partridge,. 22 would be better.
You can have her
im a fan of fps
when your looking at both
put it this way.....
one chevy truck has 397hp
the other 402 hp
the 397hp truck is 25k
the 402 hp truck is 29k
lol is paying 4k more worth a hardly noticeable 5 hp increase
no its not
22 will hit its target faster
25 harder
ill take the cheetah over a lion anyday