Full frame shoot out: D4 vs D800 vs 5DmkIII
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ต.ค. 2024
- I finally managed to get my hands on the two new Nikon Full Frame DSLRs. The D800 and the D4 and tested them alongside the Canon 5DmkIII.
The tests were resolution, aliasing, low light and features.
Thanks to Sarah Estela, The Music Bed and Kessler Crane.
Read more on my website here: www.philipbloom.net/?p=24958
Shot on the Canon C300
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Just got recommended this. Great to see the evolution of your work in this type of format!
I use Novoflex adaptors, generally with Nikon and Pentax lenses. You can get adaptors that will enable using Canon EF lenses, but they're much more expensive than adaptors for lenses with a mechanical aperture.
Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
Great review Philip. Thanks for sharing these reviews with the community. Even though there are still countless variables to consider, these videos make the entire process of of selecting a new camera so much easier. Again, thank you!
It's a pleasure to watch such practical, no nonsense reviews from a pro, and I mean all of your reviews here on TH-cam. Cheers, Philip!
one of the greatest review that i've ever seen, it is fair and square both sides, well done!
Did you look at the 4:2:2 footage from your PIX 240? I'd love to know how much better the footage holds up to colour grading, and if the moire, aliasing, and highlight rolloff see any changes. I've tried to shoot footage from the D800 to my Hyperdeck Shuttle, but the mirror refused to lock up as soon as the device was connected. I'd like to know if the results will be worth the hassle of getting it working.
Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
still great to digest this info in 2018, mr. Bloom. I am an absolute amateur, started out in the early 70s. And just loved the D4 low light footage in the bar. Just the feel of it. Can't explain it.
As usual...Great breakdown, Philip! You're a true professional. I really appreciate that. Answered every question that needed answering with great clarity. I'm looking forward to the next shootout. Keep up the great work!
Absolutely wonderful review. No partiality towards any brand. Great.
THIS IS MOST ASTONISHING ,PERFECT ,TEST OF FX CAMERAS ,I AM 13 YEARS USER OF NIKON CAMERA , I DO NOT RECORDING ANY MOVIES . CANON LOW LIGHT PERFORMANCE ,BASE OF YOUR TEST IS AMAZING .
ON THE OTHER SIDE SHARPNESS OF NIKON CAMERA AND LENSESS IS UNBITABLE
I KNOW , WHAT I SHOULD BUY NOW !!!!!!!
THX!
The BEST video comparing ANY cameras
I'm curious what you think of the new Canon 70D. Perhaps you will get your wish with a camera that does it all? The focusing system is brilliant and perhaps the first semi-usable auto-focusing system in a DSLR.
I appreciate your comment. I found it helpful and I agree with you. They are different cameras for different uses. Your comment is helpful to those who are trying to decide which one to purchase or if they can be sure they have the camera that is right for them.
The best and most technical explanation I have heard so far congratulations' There is no one so far that a scientific explicaion like yours
I'm from Indiana and I love to see stuff like this. There's loads of beautiful scenes in Indiana to shoot. Thanks for this Philip, really appreciate it!
Quite helpful review of the three cameras. Thanks Philip.
Best comperison video ive seen in a long run. My respect for the awesome work.
I own a D800 and was considering using it for video. This review was wonderful in showing just what I wanted (and needed) to know about using that Nikon for video. So its a three and half year old review? So what … its solid information to know and quite usable info at that. Thank you Phillip for putting together the review and for leaving it up.
that is coming! both on order!
Damn these reviews are like short movies/documentaries, so good!
Hey Philip. Review is awesome. Love the videos you make. Just one question. Is it possible that maybe Nikon has made a firmware update to the D4? Because you said its not good for video and its "Soft" however my D4 is "tack sharp" on all video settings. I dont know why.
Thanks again Philip for a real world test. I'm not a pro so tests like these are extremely valuable to me when considering a full frame camera. So right now it looks like it costs about $1,000 per stop.
Just a quick revisit to this excellent demo of the time. First reaction ... My goodness how things have changed. I still own some of these cameras. Short of becoming door stops, I will use the 5Dmklll for stills but certainly not video. So many game changing developments since this was filmed.
As always, content is king ... I still enjoy your old EX1 and EX3 videos as the content stands the test of time.
did you actually watch this review before commenting? You are clearly talking about the still features of the D4 which are amazing. This is a review of the video features! :)
you do understand that a red is in a whole different price league (x it by 4 for the scarily with a couple of batteries and a mag or two) and is not full frame right? Kind of hard to not get that?
Hi Philip,
Great review, it's definitely food for thought and has helped me to make my mind up.
With experience i notice that the canon cameras are better supported for filming. This is not only with the tech specs of the camera but also third party software you can install to enhance your filming with an dslr
Great review.Very helpful as I'm trying to decide on a new video camera. Keep up the great work.
Hi Philip,
well done. I just love your "custom solutions", such as the mosaic engineering anti-aliasing filter and the sound device video recorder that takes the hdmi signal and does not compress it. I own a canon sx20 IS and I'm looking to do a HD music video with it, and I'm wondering if the HDMI signal is higher than the in-camera 1040p compression as it was in the nikon d800. If so, I'll be looking into the sound device video recorder you use. aloha, anjj
I know you stay crazy busy Philip but thanks for keeping the people who can't buy all the cameras and test them out in the loop on everything
Philip, that was a really helpful video. Thanks for making it.
I own a D300 and have been looking for an update with video capability or to invest in more glass. Thanks to this review, I decided that neither D4 or D800 is for me. So, I will use my current savings to get more glass- 70-200 f/2.8. I could switch to 5d3, but then I don't have glass to go with it. So, I hope Nikon brings a nicer deal next time.
One Q: your audio was excellent. Do you mind telling me what microphone model you use?
I would love to see your thoughts on the D600 - sharpness in video is close to the D800 (possibly a little softer, but not much), the lower resolution should give it a bit of help in the low light tests, and that £500 saved on the D800 can go towards an Atomos Ninja 2 for 220mbit recording. Cost-wise could it be the replacement to the 5D Mk2 for "Indie" film-makers?
Well, Phil, got my D4 this week and quite pleased. May not be best video camera in the world, but with a 35 year bag of Nikkor glass in hand and the opportunity to shoot stills and video in one piece of iron, I love it. After I saw this comparison this morning I tried my own with a 28-70 Nikkor f2.8.
Thanks for your tireless work, I so enjoy them and learn so much from you. rg
why is TH-cam "recommending" me this in 2022 ?! ...no other current videos to show? ;) ... its funny tho' to see how far we have been come in camera-technology and image quality ... 4-8k, 24-120fps, 10bit 4:2:2 in small lil mirrorless cams ... :D
Really enjoyed that, thanks! I am cut between canon and nikon! I dont know which one to get. they both have their pros and cons. However I'm leaning towards the Canon. It'll be my first DSLR camera and I'll be using it mostly for video. Do you reckon thats a good choice?
thank you so very much for posting this, phil! You're the DSLR film mohammad
And even some scenes of the Avengers were shot with dslr. They use it sometimes for extra angles, when all the pro gear they have just isnt enough, or is too big to fit a tiny space (where dslrs come in handy).
both of you need to mind your language please. no settings were changed for the D4. Soft in FX, softer in DX, sharp as a tack in 1:1
Hey Philip, Love your work and videos. I ended up getting a D800 and the video is absolutely amazing! I do not have much moire issues either but how does that Mosaic filter hold up for you in everyday usage?
Hello Phillip, I was just wondering if you were going to be doing DSLR workshops in the US, more specifically Michigan, anytime soon. I would love the chance to meet you and to learn more from you! :)
Outstanding review, appreciate the time taken to provide us with such in-depth testing and real world results.
I'm tossing up moving from the D3s to a D4 (I already have the D800) and this may convince me to stick with the D3s a little longer.
Awesome tutorial! Lots of good info here. Subscribed! I wish the Nikon D800 was good in low key light... But this way I'm still confused about which one to buy.... :/
Nicely done! Very informative and well presented. I do have some sidenotes that I think are worth mentioning. 1st) How does the latitude/dynamic range on these camera's compare? The D800 with a 'flaat' picture profile apparently has 11.5 stops of dynamic range and is in generall a stop better than Mark3. Your thoughts about this? 2nd) With a proper de-noiser the D800 can (almost) match the Mark3, so it looks like the D800 just lacks a decent in-camera denoiser? If you compare RAW on DPreview...
Yes, very interesting offering!
Wow, what an excellent and unbiased review. I am just starting to tinker with the D7000.
but it does help me if when you comment you actually ask something more than "Uhh 1DX"" then I am able to reply immediately! Otherwise it's pure guesswork...that could be you moaning in your dreams about a romance with the 1DX, it could be you are thought this was review of the 1DX only to be surprised with 3 totally different cameras...many interpretations! :)
But thanks for commenting!
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actually wanted to see some still image comparison, but stayed anyway .. really beautiful quality and presentation! Excellent video, amazing job!
This video is the best video about the three mains DSLR. Thank you Philippe!!!!!
Philip san. I just wanted to say thank you for always providing great reviews! I always watch your video and learn something. Arigato from Tokyo
hi duncan...not it's a known fact..checked with numerous d4 testers at the time. if it was specific to the one camera there is no way i would have put this video up.
Thanks for the review Phillip. But it does seem craze that the output of the D4 is that soft. looking at other videos it seems sharper than all the others (can't copy the like to it youtube won't let me)
Don't you think that it was your specific camera that had that issue ?
Cheers
Nice video. From looking at ISO comparison videos between the D800 and 5Dmk3, it generally seems that the D800 is around 1/2 to 2/3 of a stop brighter, when both cameras are set up the same. Is this something you have found?
I hope that Nikon eventually does a decent firmware update, which will allow for the sound to be changed and also to sort out the 720p moire. There again i wonder if Canon could have firmware to allow, the D5mk3 to be able to record externally in the future.
I really wanted the GH3, but I don't like having to worry about lighting or doing low light video, so I decided I might go with the d7100 as it has a new sensor, or the fs100 if it drops price in a year
Excellent work. I love your vídeo and all the information provided. Congratulations.
Your review is more touching than many short films I have seen :D
Always read the info of the video!!
The problem of sharpness in MKIII is the low pass filter anti aliasing, the 6D does not have this problem, but the moriré and aliasing is the same of the D800, but the sharp quality too
Hi Phillip, thanx again for your incredible Work on testing, etc. The 5DmkIII has a clean FullHd HDMI out! If you press the info button, you can switch betwen the different modis! It´s a nice clan one!
thank you Ralf. Back in May 2012 it didn't though :)
Great video, Philip. Thx so much for your insight and expertise. I was really beginning to lose faith in Canon with all the issues they've been having with the camera. What do you think of DX0's review of the cameras?
Thanks for the review. This is very informative.
Could you please do a review of still photography performance of the three?
Very simple reason why I didnt include it Brenton...check the date of this video. :)
Same reason I have not included the 1DC, the new 5DmkIV that comes out in 3 years, the 7DmkII next year and the D900 ;)
Hi Juan Carlos.
There is little difference for Video to be honest. It does have a little more moire in stills though. It's a bit unnecessary. I bought the normal one.
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Love them both for different reasons . So I guess the only answer is to buy both . Great review Thanks !
Great review! Its true what you say.."why can't they make one that does it all?". This is the quest for any DSLR user, maybe one day.
Unfortunately yes, it's so expensive... But, I've tried it, used it and it's worth of money, it's awesome piece of gear! It's just stunning, the sharpness is just mindblowing!
Great comparison test, although I wish you tested the cameras' dynamic range and see which is better for video.
Fantastic in depth review. I temporarily fell in love with Diana.
Thanks again for the information and inspiration
No additional crop.
Jordan @ The Camera Store TV
Hi Phillip I love your stuff! quick question with post sharpening 5d mkiii video. I am not sure if you're familiar with Sony Vegas, but I was wondering if you knew if Sony Vegas could post sharpen 5d mkiii footage the same way as Adobe premiere would... thank you!!!
in video? As everyone else I know who has tested the D4 in video has the same issue. Using a damn expensive lens. A zeiss 35mm ZF F1.4
still converting probably. 1080p version uploaded.
One last question Philip, Which would you go with. The 1DC or the SCARLET-X. It seems you have had time with both of them and they are in the same price range. I'm not sure how the Scarlet-X is for stills but the video seems great (from what I see on TH-cam) I did read your Camera conundrum and you see to love the 1DX. So i'm guessing the 1D C has to be better for video being that it's shooting 4k. Sorry for all these questions but I feel your the only one that can help me with this. Thank you
Great video, thank for the info. I like to ask if you have done a video on the Nikon D7000. I just bought one and like to know from an expert if it is a great camera for video. Thanks again. Happy Shooting!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been longing for this one. Thanks Phillip.
of course it is? It records at 4K, has a super 35mm sensor made for video and isn't downscaled.. it has all video features and is way sharper, has more dynamic range and detail all over without compromises
enjoy!
Phillip! I have a big question if you don't mind! Im using the t3i currently and soon will have enough for the mark 2. I film music videos(freelance) and short films but I don't have enough for mark 3. You kind of made the mark 2 sound unappealing in this video! Will I be okay getting it because I really want it and havee no money for the mk3? Thankyou so much. Your videos are insightful.
I watched it because I was interested in the differences between Canon 5DMIII, and the Nikons D800 and D4 and in your opinion.
I like to see comparisons but I am not interested in making movies with such cameras.
I have bought a D800 and still wanted to know how the Canon compares to it and if I have made a mistake with going for the D800. But then: I like the detail the Nikon gives me and I anyway dont do a lot of low light shooting.
Thanks for the reply!
Last question... which adapter do you recomend, as there are a lot to choose from, that is not a smart adapter like the metabones, but will give my manual control of the Iris on the lens from the adapter.. or should I just go with Nikon because they all have manual Iris on the lens?
Thanks again. I sold my 5DIII for a soon arriving FS100
Best camera review testing comparisons ever. Waoooooooo
Very detailed review . Thanks . i've got the Mark III finally.
I really hope you get your hands on a Black Magic Camera soon and see how it stacks up against the others.
Very good video. I wish you did one comparing the D800 to Blackmagic so I can choose between those. I DO want full-frame and DX option and cannot get FF on the BM but it has so many other features. Hard choice. I am mostly doing this for high-quality video.
What camera and lens did you use for the last minute of the review? A dim light on one side of your face, while your giving your final thoughts- it looks fantastic.
Good review. If possible can you do the same test on another Canon Mark lll. I am a Canon guy and a few years ago I had a bad body that was replaced by Canon. Just a thought if you had time could you do a quick retest.
Wow, great review. I'm not a videographer, I shoot stills, but this was simply fantastic! Bravo!
very nice! What picture style and white balance? Is there any WB Shift?
Great film Philip. Bought the D800 for stills, but looking forward to using it for some video too, to supplement my XA10.
hi Philip, amazing review!! Can you guide me on the settings you had in the mark 3? much appreciated!
Oh and the Canon 5D mark iii FM upgrade is done totally at your own risk, smoke that while you count them bigger bills. Great presentation... thanks for the education.
Great video Philip... though this isn't making my decision any easier! haha
I haven't had the opportunity to shoot stills with the D4, my first DSLRs were Nikon, I switched to Canon then back to Nikon, never to leave again.
How is the D4 with still photography?
Hey Philip, I shoot mostly stills and portraits but also interested in wedding photography. I was thinking that the extra MP of the D800 would add an extra punch, though i guess the 5D Mark iii is quite capable of doing the job. Sometimes i do cover events with bits of tricky lighting and i heard that the white balance on 5D mark iii is better than the D800. I dont know whether the 6fps of 5D Mark iii would help me much, so should i go for 5D Mark iii or D800? Thanx for the awesome video :D
Which software is this please!?
Depends. Measure the softness of the 5DIII on a bigscreen TV.
In my humble opinion, the test of quality isn't about theatrical projection.
Watch your footage on a 55-60" flat sreen to see how detail holds up
I sold my canon 5DIII after owning it for three weeks. Before it, I had the 5DII and honestly I have to say, the image is softer on the 5DIII compared to the 5DII. Both stills and video
I Just ordered a sony FS100
It's great what Philip does for us with his reviews but no more DSLR for me.
Hi Philip,
Now that Canon have upgraded with clean HDMI out. Can you, if possible, do a short review including your view please.
What a lovely down to earth bloke! Thanks for the great reviews,Im loving watching all your videos.Im a 5D MKIII owner,and to be honest,for stills I feel screwed by Canon giving me 1 more Megapixel! With IQ that is barely better than MK II,maybe 1.5 stops advantage at most.The only real advantage of the 5D MKIII is the faster shooting rate of 6FPS,and unlike the Nikon which grinds to a halt,the 5Ds buffer is bigger,and although it slows-it just keeps shooting-Massive advantage for wildlife etc.
absolutely great , its one of the best comparison video i have ever seen ,, fantastic ..
Thanks Phil, great overview of the 3 cameras. I guess I'll be saving my pennies for the d800.
Thanks man. you just helped me in my decision to buy either Nikon D800 or the Canon Mark III. I am doing for the 5d Mark iii.