I'm from Ohio, USA. My dialect doesn't use this vowel except in diphthongs like toy, boy, and joy. I showed this to my mother because she's now a choir teacher and needs a way to teach this sound for Latin songs. Thanks. Edit: I've discovered that it's also paired with the R-colored vowel in words like sore, bore, door, and more.
Reading about for the first it can be clear as mud and we need kind linguists and teachers to sound these things out for clarifiacation. I am slowly picking it up. I do have to keep repeatedly looking things up though.
I know this is technically true for certain accents, but when you say that words ending in R are pronounced with ɔ:, the speech center of my brain just goes "No, no NO!"
Is there a slight difference between all and law? Ball and door? To me the first one sounds less open than the second one and I never understand why they're both /ɔ:/
Am I right in saying that /ɔ/doesn't exist in Received Pronunciation?? To my knowledge there only the long version /ɔ:/ in RP. Another thing, British /ɒ/ and American /ɔ/ sound exactly the same to me. Is there any difference between them??
Yes you are right. Phonetically Canadian is probably more similar to American that British and Americans have their own version of the chart. All my videos refer to British English, specifically RP because there are many British accents.
It is confusing but good, should we use this to actually communicate we could communicate in accent. It is used in US English but not in the words he used. I imagine that it is used in Canadian English much the same way American English uses it. I hate how most of the Brits don't pronounce most of the r's at the end of syllables. Seems like a waste of a lot of constants.
"Phonetically Canadian is probably more similar to American that British and Americans have their own version of the chart." Do you know if anyone does videos like yours for American English?
it is certainly used in my dialect. Most of the time it is R-controlled. war /wɔ˞/ core /kʰɔ˞/ or /ʔɔ˞/ pour /pʰɔ˞/ corn /kʰɔ̃˞n/ dinosaur /dãẽɾ̠̃əsɔ˞/ There are some words with /ɔ/ without R-control: home /hɔ̃m/ hope /hɔˀp̚/ dont /dɔ̃nˀt̚/ open /ʔɔpɘ̃n/
+Patrick Star Yes, they are homophones, which are different words that have the same pronunciation. Some other examples: -there, their, -where, wear, -son, sun, -I, eye.
No but it's not like it matters really,an American would have no problem with an English accent, the only slight problem is varying words, like, in England they say "chips" while Americans say "fries" or how the English say "path" while the Americans say "sidewalk". Though they're so rare you probably don't need to worry about most of them.
As a native English with the caught-cot merger, this will always be a rather strange sound to me. Even though I lack that phoneme, I find no pair of door, sure and war to rhyme (pairs for me: door and wore, sure and pure, war and drawer). I also think it's interesting that he's using a non-rhotic IPA, but still has a somewhat clear consonantal r in organization.
I'm not a native English speaker, but I happen to study Enlish phonology and dialectology. So could you tell me what exactly sound do you use for cot and caught? Is it rounded? (And are you from Canada, Western USA or other cot-caught merging region?) It would be very helpful.
I'm not the guy you asked, but I have the cot-caught merger as well. I'm from Georgia and I pronounce both "cot" and "caught" as /kʰɑt̚/. The vowel /ɑ/ is unrounded.
Thanks for you answer anyway! It's interesting that people in Georgia have it as well. But am I right that it is a transitional rather than univeral thing there as of now?
Just from making the sounds and paying attention to position of the articulators, it seems like the similarity is with the back of the tongue being raised to make the sound.
A sad video. The two dots and the adjective long does not mean that this vowel is longer than a shorter equivalent. The difference is qualitative, not quantitative.
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I'm from Ohio, USA. My dialect doesn't use this vowel except in diphthongs like toy, boy, and joy. I showed this to my mother because she's now a choir teacher and needs a way to teach this sound for Latin songs.
Thanks.
Edit: I've discovered that it's also paired with the R-colored vowel in words like sore, bore, door, and more.
ɔ:
what a sad looking sound
omg I just died.
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i been searching for someone who can explain pronounce like that for a long time thanks
Reading about for the first it can be clear as mud and we need kind linguists and teachers to sound these things out for clarifiacation. I am slowly picking it up. I do have to keep repeatedly looking things up though.
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It's one of the most difficulty thing in english but you just have to learn it , hahahaha that's very funny
I have to learn IPA for A level English language and this is so helpful. Thanks.
I know this is technically true for certain accents, but when you say that words ending in R are pronounced with ɔ:, the speech center of my brain just goes "No, no NO!"
/ɔ˞/
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Thanks needed this for my homework whenever I look at it I still see a sad face tho lol
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Is there a slight difference between all and law? Ball and door? To me the first one sounds less open than the second one and I never understand why they're both /ɔ:/
Thank you so much.
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Am I right in saying that /ɔ/doesn't exist in Received Pronunciation??
To my knowledge there only the long version /ɔ:/ in RP.
Another thing, British /ɒ/ and American /ɔ/ sound exactly the same to me. Is there any difference between them??
there is a difference between /ɒ/ and /ɔ/
As an anglophone of North America.
It's been fun trying to sound British.
LOL yes and this is the key sound to do that.
Do you thin Americans can do British accents and vice Versa?
@@janeparis1705 go ask Tom holland 😂
Really Helpful!
2:30... is it "sure" or "shore" ?
For me they sound so similar I must use the context in which they are said to determine which was said.
Funny how this only makes sense with certain accents in English. I don't know if this sound is even used in Canadian English.
Yes you are right. Phonetically Canadian is probably more similar to American that British and Americans have their own version of the chart. All my videos refer to British English, specifically RP because there are many British accents.
It is confusing but good, should we use this to actually communicate we could communicate in accent. It is used in US English but not in the words he used. I imagine that it is used in Canadian English much the same way American English uses it.
I hate how most of the Brits don't pronounce most of the r's at the end of syllables. Seems like a waste of a lot of constants.
This is the standard British accent, also known as RP.
"Phonetically Canadian is probably more similar to American that British and Americans have their own version of the chart."
Do you know if anyone does videos like yours for American English?
it is certainly used in my dialect. Most of the time it is R-controlled.
war /wɔ˞/
core /kʰɔ˞/
or /ʔɔ˞/
pour /pʰɔ˞/
corn /kʰɔ̃˞n/
dinosaur /dãẽɾ̠̃əsɔ˞/
There are some words with /ɔ/ without R-control:
home /hɔ̃m/
hope /hɔˀp̚/
dont /dɔ̃nˀt̚/
open /ʔɔpɘ̃n/
So, four and for are pronounced the same way?
+Patrick Star Yes, they are homophones, which are different words that have the same pronunciation. Some other examples:
-there, their,
-where, wear,
-son, sun,
-I, eye.
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Is it british english?
Yes.
I may love these videos, but is there an American accent version?
so far no, because the channel is referring to Received Pronunciation in British English....
No but it's not like it matters really,an American would have no problem with an English accent, the only slight problem is varying words, like, in England they say "chips" while Americans say "fries" or how the English say "path" while the Americans say "sidewalk".
Though they're so rare you probably don't need to worry about most of them.
Is it ' American accent or British Accent " ?
What's mean by putting tougue at the back of my mouth and low?
Curl it?
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ɔ is a sound used in Chile as the O letter. didn't know it was any different to others' O.
aren't ɔː and ɔ the same sound? right?
/ɔː/ is slightly longer. but yes they are the same sound, adding ː to a vowel just makes it longer
the dots do not change the point of articulation!
: actually makes the vowel longer in that case, putting : on a consonant (eg b) actually makes the same sound or null because b: makes no sense
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Is "wrong" one of them
No "wrong" uses the shorter /ɒ/ sound. /rɒŋ/
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2:34 /wɔ:/ is serious!
As a native English with the caught-cot merger, this will always be a rather strange sound to me. Even though I lack that phoneme, I find no pair of door, sure and war to rhyme (pairs for me: door and wore, sure and pure, war and drawer). I also think it's interesting that he's using a non-rhotic IPA, but still has a somewhat clear consonantal r in organization.
I'm not a native English speaker, but I happen to study Enlish phonology and dialectology. So could you tell me what exactly sound do you use for cot and caught? Is it rounded? (And are you from Canada, Western USA or other cot-caught merging region?) It would be very helpful.
I'm not the guy you asked, but I have the cot-caught merger as well. I'm from Georgia and I pronounce both "cot" and "caught" as /kʰɑt̚/. The vowel /ɑ/ is unrounded.
Thanks for you answer anyway! It's interesting that people in Georgia have it as well. But am I right that it is a transitional rather than univeral thing there as of now?
Vargr's answer is common throughout the US. It's the same vowel as the a in father.
Got it, thanks.
Can “sure” not also be /ʃʊə/?
Yes it could be in some regional accents like in the north of England.
British ppl : So simple
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Why other teachers leave the : dots from the end and instead of OOOOOOOOO they say this allmost like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA..?.Confusing...
There are regional variations in the pronunciation of some words.
I always wondered why this phonetic sign is similar to the open "o" in French, like in "pomme", "or" etc. Can someone comment on this topic?
Just from making the sounds and paying attention to position of the articulators, it seems like the similarity is with the back of the tongue being raised to make the sound.
@@jordanlp02 merci beaucoup!
ɔ:
i guess we american't just don't do this one
I speak an American dialect (or perhaps idiolect) in which I pronounce 'sure' like [ʃʊɹ].
no it is a superior dialect, it came first
that should be /ʃɚ/
A sad video. The two dots and the adjective long does not mean that this vowel is longer than a shorter equivalent. The difference is qualitative, not quantitative.
a sad sound
(sure adjective /ʃʊər, ʃɜr/)
ɔ: you hurt my toe
In Sweden we have Å instead
tieng viet dau rui
c|ɔ
the symmetry
The pufferfish eating carrot says ɔːh
It's me who drank too much beer or this cool dude really looks like Charlie Sheen?
+RayJan You are so fucking high
A lot of people say I look like Tom Chaplin from the band Keane.
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Hnaod haik dout ros dob dout uat
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wtf lol !
damn, i cant not speak similarly.
:c
What a weird sound.
haha, Yes many of the sounds are weird when you look at them on their own.
Thanks
Thank you
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