Britain's Shift on Gender Affirming Care | Helen Joyce

แชร์
ฝัง
  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 เม.ย. 2024
  • In this video, Helen and John talk about the shifting views of people in the UK regarding gender affirming care.
    Helen Joyce was Britain Editor at The Economist, where she worked for over 15 years before she
    joined the gender-critical campaign group Sex Matters as a director. She is the author of Trans:
    When Ideology Meets Reality.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Conversations feature John Anderson, former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia, interviewing the world's foremost thought leaders about today's pressing social, cultural and political issues.
    John believes proper, robust dialogue is necessary if we are to maintain our social strength and cohesion. As he puts it; "You cannot get good public policy out of a bad public debate."
    If you value this discussion and want to see more like it, make sure you subscribe to the channel here: / @johnandersonconversat...
    And stay right up to date with all the conversations by subscribing to the newsletter here: johnanderson.net.au/contact/
    Follow John on Twitter: / johnandersonac
    Follow John on Facebook: / johnandersonac
    Follow John on Instagram: / johnandersonac
    Support the channel: johnanderson.net.au/support/
    Website: johnanderson.net.au/
    Podcast: johnanderson.net.au/podcasts/
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    x.com/HJoyceGender

ความคิดเห็น • 69

  • @thebobloblawshow8832
    @thebobloblawshow8832 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Great news. Now jail all the doctors who perform them.

    • @epifunny1
      @epifunny1 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Well, yes, but more importantly, also jail the capitalists who saw this practice as a new revenue stream and funneled capital to continually increase the practice size.

    • @thebobloblawshow8832
      @thebobloblawshow8832 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@epifunny1 absolutely. Get everyone responsible for this. Politicians too.

  • @MCOult
    @MCOult หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    This is a very big victory; it should mean that, in time, all NHS "gender affirming" care will be reduced to very little -- especially compared with what it has been.
    In America, we too should see benefits from the British reversal on GAC.
    Let's hope it happens sooner, rather than later.

    • @user-cm1si5bt7p
      @user-cm1si5bt7p 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Still alive and prolific on the coasts and in the school system. Until it hits these areas and all the schools, we and the. Children will not be free of the madness.

  • @RenegadeRanga
    @RenegadeRanga หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    The tavistok Institute is a seedy place. Responsible for research into brainwashing and social engineering.

    • @Andrew-rc3vh
      @Andrew-rc3vh หลายเดือนก่อน

      It has a military heritage. The military is one of the largest applications of psychology traditionally in Britain. The so-called bravery is simply the result of brainwashing.

  • @CC-uq4hu
    @CC-uq4hu หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Years ago I had a school friend who was the youngest out of five children. She was female , her siblings all boys. She was what we called a ‘Tom.boy’..preferring rough and tumble sports like her brothers. She was my best friend and never thought for a minute she was a boy..but given the current ideas perhaps she may have been convinced otherwise. Last time I saw her she was a very healthy woman who remained physically active and very fit, had a super career and an awesome family. No hang ups. Another school female friend who is quite famous, was the exact opposite and ‘came out’ later in life…she had been extremely drawn to males during high school. From these two people I think it’s important for us as a society to allow people to go through puberty and really allow the mind and body to catch up later in life before making huge irreversible decisions about their bodies.

    • @jensiash6660
      @jensiash6660 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      well said

  • @UNCHART3DGAMING
    @UNCHART3DGAMING หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    “Experts” without data or records? Reality is bringing a massive legal storm called CLASS ACTION!

    • @bobharmes343
      @bobharmes343 หลายเดือนก่อน

      oy vey!

    • @johnmu7034
      @johnmu7034 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And yet proponents of this say how good the research is, yet this organisation has hopeless records. This is a step n the right direction for sure

  • @matt4887
    @matt4887 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Overall, this topic is one of the biggest medical scandals in human history. If you were silent or wrong, and children suffered because of you, you have to seriously question who you are and who you trust.

  • @reapthewhirlwind4166
    @reapthewhirlwind4166 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The lavender clinic in Honolulu shut down last August. If you go to their website you can read their exit letter I think it is still there. It is interesting to read because I backpedal on so many things and never admit that gender of farming care is really a myth.

  • @familiecole
    @familiecole หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    To add to what Helen was saying regarding the court case Bell v The Tavistock, the initial ruling stated that it was unlikely that minors and adolescents would be able to understand the long-term implication of taking medication, and that court approval would be required before a prescription could take place. The Court of Appeal, however, over-turned the ruling and stated that it was not for the courts to rule on whether children and adolescents should take medication. It was ruled that parents were had that role.

  • @marcelgirard5162
    @marcelgirard5162 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    We need to revert to common sense here in Canada as well!

    • @laurieparker-stuart868
      @laurieparker-stuart868 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There will be no common sense allowed in Canada during the reign of Comrade People kind. Prime Minister Per Vert Trudeau enforces his personal perspective.

  • @edwardst-pierre1020
    @edwardst-pierre1020 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For all of the kids who went through these places was it a one way trip. So what kind of damage did it eventually do to these kids.

  • @johnmay6090
    @johnmay6090 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The litagation lawyers have so much work to do. More power to them.

  • @joemama5181
    @joemama5181 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I don't know how anyone ever thought this was a good idea. Giving children access powerful hormones and butcherous surgery that will change your reversely for the rest of their lives just on a whim? I may not be the smartest guy around, but I'm pretty sure that's going to turn out badly. God help us all

  • @auditor181
    @auditor181 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Western Madness 🤕

  • @terebrate
    @terebrate หลายเดือนก่อน

    dial-down the outro music volume a bit, eh?

  • @melaniehowe9748
    @melaniehowe9748 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I lost my daughter in September 20, 2019, due to the gender ideology her school pushed and aided her grooming predator to take custody of her. I have not seen her since.

    • @alichefortune862
      @alichefortune862 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is disgusting to hear. So sorry about that

  • @simonhadley8829
    @simonhadley8829 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tavistock reminds me of mid 19th century medicine crossed with a modern MK Ultra program.

  • @richardsorge-
    @richardsorge- หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Folly

  • @bunyinjbhadi7524
    @bunyinjbhadi7524 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What everyone has forgotten is, God does NOT build junk...only humans can do that..!!

    • @danguee1
      @danguee1 หลายเดือนก่อน

      God is a figment of people's imaginations. This is a video partly about brainwashing - ironic for someone to come on here and speak from the pov of some other brainwashed cult!

  • @cherylM.905
    @cherylM.905 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are they going to call what they’ve done young people the Mengele effect😡

  • @buffalobill2874
    @buffalobill2874 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi John. The issue is poor quality psychiatrists. They don't have adequate counselling skills. This applies whether they're completely ignoring neurodiversity and gender issues or for the people who may have regrets about the way they were supported.
    No this doesn't just disappear with puberty. You're very mistaken. This is the same ignorance I encountered.
    Conversation skills matter. Ignoring things and hoping it heals on its own is neglectful.
    There would be plenty of people who feel let down by all sorts of medical care. It's the dialogue that astounds. Usually it's precisely because they're too scientific rather than there being any perceptible issues with being too molly coddling or imposing in relation to nudging any one in this direction.
    It's actually the lack of competence. Supportive dialogue is effective communication. It doesn't involve poor outcomes. It involves excellent listening skills. This is missing in many consultations. OTs, psychiatrists, psychologists lots of people don't get it right. Some are committed to developing their talent with it and some are not.

    • @SoundWave1984-cu6xb
      @SoundWave1984-cu6xb วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's amazing that some people can say so much without saying anything of substance at all.

    • @buffalobill2874
      @buffalobill2874 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@SoundWave1984-cu6xb the Drs? No they claim (through Medicare) for a much greater number of minutes than actually were performed. It's when I linked up Medicare online I discovered this discrepancy. I saw a hospital Dr who assumed I'd been given long consultations and so I checked the records.

    • @SoundWave1984-cu6xb
      @SoundWave1984-cu6xb วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@buffalobill2874 I was talking about you. You wrote a whole paragraph and really said nothing at all.

    • @buffalobill2874
      @buffalobill2874 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​​@@SoundWave1984-cu6xb no. I had a confusing experience of health care services so went on to study in a few related fields - even though I'd lost motivation by the end of highschool I did manage to get in later to uni.
      This guy is an Australian liberal and although he appears to be a farmer, much of his political party are usually very privileged people who are very out of touch with someone like myself who's right down the bottom financially and experienced vulnerability.
      My experiences may be of no interest to you but I didn't know how to get into the ears of politicians having been more interested in ending my life. I used to be interested in doing things and being someone but those well positioned to get things back on track are not appropriately skilled. It wasn't brief I still get down with the hormonal fluctuations of my menstrual cycle leading to suicidal ideation almost monthly. But it's brief and fleeting and predictable and only lasts a day or so. When I was depressed and clueless and younger it was worse.
      This little box I type into on a phone is not ideal for coveringe my messages as the phone autocorrect comes up with unhelpful words and needs too much vigilance. And I always have to go back and edit things because I know the incomplete picture comes across but in did well in English in school and even then that was an issue. I don't see pictures in my head so I convey details differently than people who try to get others to imagine images. I am very obviously neurodivergent; it's not contestable. That our psychiatrists don't pick up on that shortfall / impairment reflects embarassingly shonky workmanship.
      So funding psychiatrists and psychologists where nurses and counsellors have better stuff to draw on to support people ought to be very interesting to politicians as they're the ones who have been conned into subsidising poor quality care.
      We've had fatal incidents in public spaces making news that are most likely related to previous poor quality mental health care more so than access.
      Yes my writing can get verbose or long-winded I wouldn't deny that but I have plenty to say now I have insight and have come to understand that the govt paid a dude who provoked me after a suicide attempt instead of establishing what my specific individual problems were.
      If the ladies in your life are only bred to tart themselves up and pull down their knickers maybe things females have to say bore you. But me, no, I am someone who's already given back to society to help counter that sort of uselessness even before I was 12 / 13.
      Sorry if you hoped to inflame me 😢😊
      They also fund fruitless IVF at the expense of the taxpayer and don't have rehabilitation for back injuries incurred as a 12 year old with neglectful parents. The way this all interacts with welfare "requirements" is definitely worth attention.
      Women who work on attracting mates and procreating aren't officially a part of welfare strategy so... Well.. I don't support fruitless baby making efforts over physiotherapy. I have it tougher than couples enjoying physical intimacy and yet they're the ones who feel emboldened to beg in public for more subsidies. Shame on greedy individuals with no regard for those worth investing in who lack adequate resources. Shame on the govt for funding such surgeons over physio.
      The short version is.. we should find specialist psychiatric nurses and counsellors and reduce reliance on expensive specialists.. but you'd need their word to be treated as valuable which is where it gets tricky because medical evidence needs to be from Drs. So that's what needs changing. Hopefully nurses want to branch out this way as it'd be better if this philosophy, functional health patterns and diagnoses replaced psychiatry altogether but it could supplement it with a greater role. Much more cost effective.
      For me I believed my issues required the drs etc and to be fobbed off with a nurse might've insulted me.. but you just have to handle those preconceptions / misconceptions and feedback from dissatisfied patients might help.. so we know the stronger communicators are coming in to do the heavy lifting of properly determining what issues there have been.
      🙂👏👍🐈🥰💓😍😯🤩😵‍💫🎉🤔🤮🤢🤒😁😷 You're welcome.

    • @buffalobill2874
      @buffalobill2874 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If it's a bit confronting for people using IVF being made a specific example of, then I saved them a trip to the psychiatrist / psychologist. This is the nature of mental health support delivered by such persons. They'd confront you about any shortcomings rather than being interested in any grief or trauma/ struggles.
      It's just how I do it. I experience things then have to use a different example to make the point where no-one cared about me or understood my predicament. But it's like they're fair game and for some reason people put them off limits... And the confrontation is a better strategy than pouring money into their goals.. there are more sensible ways to use money and more worthy causes in terms of people needing to develop aspirations for survival and success. There is also likely greater value in someone like myself as opposed to potentially heavily coddled offspring that may or may not come into being.

  • @HB-iq6bl
    @HB-iq6bl หลายเดือนก่อน

    You tube unsubscribed me

  • @CombustionJohn
    @CombustionJohn หลายเดือนก่อน

    She should have clarified the reference to autism spectrum disorder. This link applies to females seeking gender reassignment not to boys. Also the link is to Asperger's Syndrome which is still held by some to be a distinct condition. Most candidates are girls and most of these are Aspies and thus have the Extreme Male Brain which drives the condition. In brief tomboys. There are others who pre-puberty were not tomboys such as Margaret Thatcher, of the more severe unyielding iron will type. She didn't attenpt to alter her body to fit into a male world but she did take elocution lessons to change her voice into a deeper male tone.

  • @paultranter7379
    @paultranter7379 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Please be very very (emphasis) very careful how you discuss this. Not for political or so-called activist reasons but for mental health reasons. It is extremely complex.

  • @DominicFlynn
    @DominicFlynn หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Research demonstrates that gender-affirming care improves the mental health and overall well-being of gender diverse children and adolescents.

    • @davidhawley1132
      @davidhawley1132 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      For a few years. I've watched a number of interviews with de-transitioners on TH-cam. (Interestingly, I learned that testosterone can boost mood.)

    • @reapthewhirlwind4166
      @reapthewhirlwind4166 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Then why are the gender clinics shutting down?

    • @liyawillow
      @liyawillow หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not giving the children a chance to develop their own feelings, but being led into surgery rooms, and being handed pulls hasn't helped them. And there is a lot of research on that. As many say, these people have a mental condition to the point they feel like they want to off themselves. They should probably get mental care above all else first. But they aren't pushing for this.

    • @thedave7760
      @thedave7760 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Which studies, I would suggest that they would not hold up to very much real scrutiny. Studies will say whatever the people who are funding the study wanted to say.

    • @dalemore9645
      @dalemore9645 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Who's research

  • @furry_homunculus
    @furry_homunculus หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sadly, the practice to administer dangerous drugs to children and adolescents continues here in Australia. All but one state are now governed by Labor who are fully in bed with the transgender ideologues. And the coalition is slow to put banning transgender treatments on their agenda. Looking at you John!

  • @24tommy109
    @24tommy109 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You still playing dumb as to who is behind it all?

    • @bobharmes343
      @bobharmes343 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      we're not allowed to notice that!