Really interesting talk, but I really wasn't expecting *everything* to be java across netflix. Although I can imagine that comes with a lot of benefits when working on such a large product.
They only tell you what they want you to know, so maybe they have other workloads running on different stacks. Nevertheless, the stability of a well crafted Java-based system is hardly unparalleled
I would have been *devastated* if I had joined them when they were still on Java 8. You expect as much from the most legacy enterprises. Having been working at a few banks using Java 11 and 17 with several thousand developers hearing that Netflix was “all in” on legacy is… 😮
you should not really. he explained the reason why they were still on 8. and besides, you should only upgrade when there is a need or when you are forced to
Thats a stupid comment. It’s a trade of like everything, certainly you can improve resources usage if you go e.g. on c++, but creating and maintaining 3k c++ microservices is nearly impossible, while spring boot is a widely used, easy to develop and maintain, stable and still has a decent performance
If you care for specific code properties then you should be careful which libraries and frameworks you use. In the worst case you have to ditch the one or other and make your own according to your specific requirements.
JVM is not all bad, it is designed in an older era with tradeoffs that made sense in that era but not now yet can't be easily changed, like the bytecode will stick around, and it will be interpreted until JIT compiled and this will never be changed. However, JVM also has a very long history of GC & JIT development, and its GC and JIT is among the best. Look at quarkus which has better throughput on JVM vs quarkus on graalvm native.
Truth revealed. "Netflix is basically a Java Shop". Not Nodejs, not Rust, not Golang. Good ole Java. How the fanboys will howl!
Now every company will think to have the same problems as Netflix and will copy this exact architecture :D
Really good to listen to people who knows what they're doing.
who know*
It's plural
Really interesting talk, but I really wasn't expecting *everything* to be java across netflix. Although I can imagine that comes with a lot of benefits when working on such a large product.
They only tell you what they want you to know, so maybe they have other workloads running on different stacks. Nevertheless, the stability of a well crafted Java-based system is hardly unparalleled
Java is unbeatable for serious programming.
Primeagen never mentioned that Java is used at Netflix
he is not the only employee at netflix
Actually he did say Netflix uses java in his DSA course
He did say multiple times they use Java at Netflix, he even worked with Groovy at some point.
I hear he saying multiple times that netflix uses Java
Well, but is there really any big tech company who do not use Java?
I would have been *devastated* if I had joined them when they were still on Java 8. You expect as much from the most legacy enterprises. Having been working at a few banks using Java 11 and 17 with several thousand developers hearing that Netflix was “all in” on legacy is… 😮
I wouldn't be surprised if some legacy systems still run on Java
@@illyam689 uh....ya....imagine that....those poor guys *quietly exits room*
you should not really. he explained the reason why they were still on 8. and besides, you should only upgrade when there is a need or when you are forced to
Thank you for the great session
for a second i thought i was listening to erik meijer :)
This was quite hard to understand. Had to rewatch with subs
Not really. I've seen worse. Try the one with Quarkus channel 😁😁
Nothing revolutionary. Just a pragmatic approach. Well done.
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Java invented golang?
kotlin not golang
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If they were really concerned about system resources, they wouldn't use Java in the first place.
Thats a stupid comment. It’s a trade of like everything, certainly you can improve resources usage if you go e.g. on c++, but creating and maintaining 3k c++ microservices is nearly impossible, while spring boot is a widely used, easy to develop and maintain, stable and still has a decent performance
what a stupid take.
Majority of Apache big data library are in java. Kafka is in java.
Writing bad programs is not java specific.
If you care for specific code properties then you should be careful which libraries and frameworks you use. In the worst case you have to ditch the one or other and make your own according to your specific requirements.
JVM is not all bad, it is designed in an older era with tradeoffs that made sense in that era but not now yet can't be easily changed, like the bytecode will stick around, and it will be interpreted until JIT compiled and this will never be changed.
However, JVM also has a very long history of GC & JIT development, and its GC and JIT is among the best.
Look at quarkus which has better throughput on JVM vs quarkus on graalvm native.
Junk architecture
what did Java to you?
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hahah when you can't do what they are doing you just fallback to trashtalk. :)
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If you can do it better then propose it, otherwise SUFM