Worth noting that the strand combo will only really work for one person because you need the jolt damage and Witherhoard damage to get your grenade back so quickly. You can get a similar combo with solar warlock using Rain of Fire and heat rises that does not rely on tick damage, but then you're icarus dashing in the Well and your teammates are not going to like you.
Classic Ehroar testing setups that’s unrealistic in where dps matters and works for only one person. Might as well just hothead and starfire since it’s only 300k behind.
Exactly my line of thought. I thus tend to use the dungeon rocket for very short bursts (max 5 rockets) while the apex is a slightly worse alh for longer fights
You do not need both, you have options. Jolt damage sucks now, and witherhoard is just nice to have. Could just use lumina with eye of another world instead. :)
A well is not the size of a rift though, just position yourself at the back and side of the well to take advantage of Rain of Fire. As for the Strand combo, you only really need another guy to proc Jolt and if there is none (which is unlikely because of Tcrash Titan's or Gathering storm Hunters) there's always Radiant Dance Machines.
With advanced reconstruction on the apex predator, if you wait half a second softer reloading, it will load the second shot, eliminating the need to reload an excess amount of times
(ONLY FOR APEX PREDATOR) cartesian coordinate is actually a better swap weapon than iterative loop bc if you are running triple solar surge for apex then coordinate will also get this buff. this surge boost exceeds voltshot now bc of the nerf to jolt dps
It's sad that this gun was never craftable and so limited in the ways you could get it so I was never able to get a lucky roll on it guess I'll have to stick with iterative loop rip
@@monadoboy9639 definitely know what you mean, thankfully i had a few good rolls stored from years ago that didn’t even see their first use till season 15. it’s definitely a fan favorite so i wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually reprised and made it craftable
I never take off my Lead from Gold and Vorpal roll. Doing a last wish last night and I did 1.7 Mil on Riven with just Tractor and radiant Cartesian with 3x surges. I was pretty much by myself because the others made a wrong call about which room she was in
I'm sure they will just nerf rockets as a whole because of a single outlier and have it still be decent but every other rocket be garbage while they try and fail to buff grenade launchers into the meta again
I think a Catision Coordinate with Izzanagis does way more dmg with apex predator than witherhoard and arc fusion rifle. Is it possible you could test that as well?
Izzy’s and AP per combo out damage WH and AP but in a 30 second span WH and AP Do more damage because auto loading and time saving to keep damage pressure on. Single combo- IB and AP. Total damage in 30 second boss window- WH and AP
With the apex you should try shooting 2 realoding one and wait for the second one to reload cause enhanched recon procs after 3.5s, while reloading with max reload speed is 2ish seconds so it would be slower to single reload
yea if you just let it auto reload instead of manually reloading right after you shoot. it will get two rockets so you dont even have to wait that split second yourself. You wont even have a chance of shooting the rocket early. i just hold shoot down and dont even press reload its a little slower but you will never not get 2 rockets
Idea for the channel; add overlayed dps charts based on the video. Little extra work, but I believe it would enhance the great content you're already putting out.
I’ve been using tracking a lot more on my rockets I know on paper it’s less damage but in real world scenarios I lose a lot more damage to rockets I miss and it’s definitely boss specific
@@JustMeSavy yea same but even when I was farming master grasp of averice boss I still used if you one phase who cares if you don’t have the most meta thing I’ll take my ease of use and I was still top damage a lot of the time
It should have been said that even Hothead is great and the numbers you showed do not include burst super damage, which in a team boss damage phase can help edge your individual damage beyond those who just use weapons. The issue people tend to have in most boss fights is missing rockets, because that will have more of a negative impact on your total damage than not having Cold Comfort or Apex with B/S. If you don't have either Apex or Cold Comfort, it's not that big of a deal. Most sensible groups don't care even in Master content
Am I the only one that cant seem to get Envious Assassin to proc consistently? I wish there was some type of notification on the screen on how Envious is procing before you swap to that said weapon. I always swap and sometimes I'll have 2 and soemtimes I'll have 3. Seems very inconsistent even though I feel like I am getting the rapid kills it is asking for.
Carried my buddy through his first deep clear. He gets 5/5 cold comfort as his first drop.... so jealous. And he is a PVP guy who will never use it lol
@dpw 04 impact casing, envious assassin, bait and switch, reload or velocity masterwork. First column doesn't matter too much but velocity is always good
Same here but i am the pvp guy who got it same roll but blast radius mw. It will be nice to use it once and never again cuz i really only play pvp not that much pve hahahahaha
@@ImNot5YearsOld reload or handling are the best masterworks both increse dps handling for hot swaps and reload for reloading faster. but tbh masterworks dont really mater in the end of the day
would waiting for the reconstruction to overfill your mag to 2 before swapping back to the rocket be better or worse? also using cartesian coordiante when useing apex preadator would allow it to benefit from the 3x solar surge, so how does cc compare to the voltshot iterative loop
That's a good question. Would be curious to know if the x3 surge mods on cartesian would make up for the extra damage that jolt does. I would assume the x3 surge mods would be more than the jolt since you do use quite a few fusion shots in this rotation.
@@boneidle8420 that is correct. Jolt damage is currently all standardized and it's..not very good, the fusion's jolt is the same as say, ikelos, postery, etc. Jolt values cause the nerf. The jolt damage doesn't even get buffed by surges/well/lumina anymore. Even two tailed fox and darci got a massive hit cause the jolt nerfs. So TL;DR matching surges with fusion>iterative loop
Ehroar, great video! You should test the Ager scepter alt fire mode with the new warlock exotic. I think with the continuous reload it might be a secret burst DPS monster. You now get another 1/3+ of your super used in the alt fire mode. I have been melting bosses with it but I don’t know where I can do actual damage testing solo.
If you wanna do this you should use transversive steps and a turret in a dps phase like golgoroth. You're a good utility and you're able to get your entire super out before running out of reserves
Try same strand set up but switch iterative loot with royal executioner (envious assassin + reservoir burst) and its the same, al least from the test I did on Phryzhia
Could you do: Whisper of rending, Whisper of impetus, Malfeasance/lucky pants, Cold comfort BNS wolfpack rounds Silence & Squall 20x Malfeasance Withering Blade 1x Special Weapon 4x Cold Comfort BnS Dodge 1x Cold Comfort Withering Blade 1x Cold Comfort Duskfield Grenade 20x Malfeasance Ideally you Proc voltshot with iterative but Idk if the timing would work
Would necrotics be the best option purely for thread of generation? Occasionally you don't get your nade back in time would that help with consistency?
Cold Comfort, its the best for big burst dmg, in quick time, because you have 4 rackets one after another +bait and switch with witherhoard, but it cannot always be used in any encounter, because it needs some clear ads stacks for envious assassin, and a finisher or rev for the 4th racket
When you tested clown cartridge hothead did you stand in your own well? Because if so you are doing extra damage against the boss. The other two should’ve been much much higher than hothead. But standing in your own well buffs damage. Against Persys. (Also warlocks be aware strand super adds ≈350-400k
@@Shadow_of_originit did not lmao, the scalar was lowered slightly in the lates patch, but super damage (weapon damage from a warlock in their own well counts as super damage) absolutely still does a ton more damage to Perseus.
any chance your gonna update this video with the new breytech osprey with impact casing cluster lasting impressions? would love to see those dps values with gally
I would like to know though whether or not chill clip including shatter damage is better or not compared to bait and switch (of course with gjallarhorn) I just would like to know if it is similar to how bump in the night was being of course only a single player rocket but I mean whether it is still outright better Bait and switch probably best for the whole team overall but as a singular shooter would cold comfort with chill clip be the best play? 😊
B&S will be better if i had to guess without testing because chill clip was a little more dps the explosive light and explo is 25% and does not buff wolf pack rounds and B&S is 35% and buffs wolf pack rounds. that being said i think i will be better for all just running B&S and use some other way for shatter like riptide chillclip because it will also get the surge buff or stasis turrets or hunter super. but its now the best chill clip rocket so if you get the god roll with chill clip i would keep it
@Doctor Gonzo yes I know that, but with apex having auto loading it doesn't need it, so you can izzy and and swap you just start off with an extra rocket. I was just wondering if that was more damage than witherhoard, I'd imagine it is
@@tiptaptom pretty sure the witherhoard combo does more dmg because of the grenade energy thing. If it has reconstruction or not doesn't really matter, reloading with strand grenades just improves the dps compared to doing a izzy swap
More setup and having to get a 5/5 or just craft Apex Preadator. I wonder what one people will choose lol. Damage isn't enough to no life that dungeon and Apex use case is just so much easier.
Get 8 kills and then immediately switch to your cold comfort. Should have 3. Sometimes if you get the kills and don’t swap to the rocket it won’t actually “lock in” the ammo and will only go up to 2.
I have both I personally prefer apex just because of the ease of use it has, especially on raid encounters where i usually run like nez on ron or caretaker on vow. Theyre both very good but heavily dependent on play style.
ill stick to my hothead. as i got lucky with the roll i want and i dont get to do raids/dungeons that often and have 0 desire to min/max my endgame build when it rarely even gets used
My argument is that cold comfort has you running a stasis rocket and an arc fusion with voltshot (Jolt got nerfed and is no longer as good as it used to be but still serves its purpose as free damage to help bring back your grenade. Due to the combo requiring witherhoard there is no way to match a stasis fusion with cold comfort. Apex predator can match triple solar surges with a godroll cartesian coordinate and surpass iterative loop with voltshot due to jolt's nerf. I also find it barely noticable with how fast your grenade comes back after no longer using voltshot. I also found myself in a few situation where there were no adds to proc voltshot on just before a damage phase. My main reason though for liking apex predator is these two do basically the exact same thing with me just having to try a little harder while using apex predator but one is craftable and one is not. In short, I'm too goddamn lazy to go grind a cold comfort when apex predator is craftable. I don't feel like going and farming a cold comfort because it is one of six drops from the encounters it drops from and then you still need two main perks and impact casing for it to be the right roll. I like apex predator because I am lazy.
@@maximusyoung9276 Yeah sure, but still getting the two perks together is still enough for my luck to keep me from getting this until rockets aren’t meta anymore.
I think I'm going to go with Witherhoard, Cartesian with Vorpal and the Apex with Bait so I can get easy damage bonuses with solar surges for both weapons.
Because if you're using rocket launchers its just a good idea to bring a GH to buff them even more, so testing damage with it shows us the highest possible damage with that rocket launcher
@@THERATSANDTHERATS GJ just adds some variable damage on top of the base RL damage. And as far as I know, WP rounds dmg does not depend on the used RL archetype. So you can just add some arbitrary number to every base RL damage and it'll be more accurate
I've gotten THREE cold comforts with envious assassin and chill clip, I'm just begging to get that last slot filled with the gold roll perk of bait and switch
I can never get 3 rockets with envious assassin on the cold comfort. I’ve tried many different weapons to get the rapid kills and they all gave me 2 rockets
what about slideways on apex predator? you can do many different things with it like swapping between two weapons with slideways shooting and sliding to get rid of the 3 second cooldown. Also sliding and alternating fire with thread of ascent to alternate cooldowns. I know its inconvenient to be moving around while dpsing but i feel like it has to be considered because of how much dps is possible.
Yeah and have your entire raid team hate you? i'd rather not have someone using slideshot in my raid team since they would be bumping and pushing everyone around for a half second difference.
I got a cold comfort the god roll, but with explosive light and i also have a fully enhanced crafted reconstruction/bait y switch apex i think ill stick to the apex while i get the cold comfort also riptide or cartesian works with each of them so it doesnt really matter if I do a slightly less dps.
Hothead adept (if you have it) because you can get vorpal & adept big ones mod 🤷🏾♂️ apex 2nd just cause you can craft it with enhanced perks and it also has reconstruction. You’ll have to get lucky to get a good roll on that dungeon rocket…
Hey Ehroar can you try an auto loading explosive light hothead with conditional finality? ( aka shooting a rocket, switching to conditional, firing 2 shots, reloading and switching back). Ive been doing it and the auto loading is frame perfect pretty much and I always end up 1st in dps. Also I use one of my auto loadings with curiass tcrash.
@@lukasderstecher4582 Well that was my assumption seeing the witherhoard, since hunter have access to Lucky Malfeasance combo it would be fair to assume that it'd do more than witherhoard damage wise making Malf + Iterative Loop Voltshot + BnS Cold Comfort do much more damage.
Techeun is better if you or a teammate is able to jolt the boss without Iterative Loop. Otherwise you need a source to jolt for max dps and Iterative is the easiest source typically.
@@isaacjohnson5874 yeah but like I said you still have to proc voltshot (getting a kill with iterative and reloading) why not just have someone using 2 tail with catalyst
There are definitely times that apex has had 10 in the reserves with no mods on and I dont really know why. Usually it's 7 but sometimes for no reason it'll go up to 10.
Apex with reconstruction and explosive light is going to work for most people in most content. I’m pretty bad about saving my heavy for the boss so I always have explosive light rockets at the end😅. But this is cool if you want max DPS and get fancy with it 🍻
Isn't this only applicable to warlocks? For instance a hunter wouldn't benefit from CC as they would have to manually reload instead of being able to throw a grenade to reload?
@@RaNd0mGaMeRzZ they still have the reload from grapple, but that's about it. Maybe threadlings grenade since you get two? Idk. Damage wise it doesn't have the super so I get your point
The second rocket you showed was the Apex predator, not the CC. Are those numbers mixed up?
numbers are probably good. probably just accidentally switched up the clips
@@brendannelson6385 That’s what I thought as well. I’m sure the goat will clarify 😄
Since reconstruction is 2 rockets, CC is 2 rockets as well meaning it’s the same damage
@Absins they're the same damage, he said it in the vid
Commentary and figures correct, just mixed up the editing. All good
Worth noting that the strand combo will only really work for one person because you need the jolt damage and Witherhoard damage to get your grenade back so quickly. You can get a similar combo with solar warlock using Rain of Fire and heat rises that does not rely on tick damage, but then you're icarus dashing in the Well and your teammates are not going to like you.
Classic Ehroar testing setups that’s unrealistic in where dps matters and works for only one person. Might as well just hothead and starfire since it’s only 300k behind.
Exactly my line of thought. I thus tend to use the dungeon rocket for very short bursts (max 5 rockets) while the apex is a slightly worse alh for longer fights
You do not need both, you have options. Jolt damage sucks now, and witherhoard is just nice to have. Could just use lumina with eye of another world instead. :)
A well is not the size of a rift though, just position yourself at the back and side of the well to take advantage of Rain of Fire. As for the Strand combo, you only really need another guy to proc Jolt and if there is none (which is unlikely because of Tcrash Titan's or Gathering storm Hunters) there's always Radiant Dance Machines.
@@erroroflife187 it's pretty realistic
With advanced reconstruction on the apex predator, if you wait half a second softer reloading, it will load the second shot, eliminating the need to reload an excess amount of times
Hm, I wonder if this would raise the dps 🤔
@@MrNuclearz it would, because an auto loading gl can be used alongside just izi upping the dps output
I knew I wasnt tripping lol. That shit nuts.
basically clown cartridge but also autoloading
(ONLY FOR APEX PREDATOR) cartesian coordinate is actually a better swap weapon than iterative loop bc if you are running triple solar surge for apex then coordinate will also get this buff. this surge boost exceeds voltshot now bc of the nerf to jolt dps
It's sad that this gun was never craftable and so limited in the ways you could get it so I was never able to get a lucky roll on it guess I'll have to stick with iterative loop rip
@@monadoboy9639 definitely know what you mean, thankfully i had a few good rolls stored from years ago that didn’t even see their first use till season 15. it’s definitely a fan favorite so i wouldn’t be surprised if they eventually reprised and made it craftable
I never take off my Lead from Gold and Vorpal roll. Doing a last wish last night and I did 1.7 Mil on Riven with just Tractor and radiant Cartesian with 3x surges. I was pretty much by myself because the others made a wrong call about which room she was in
Thank you for posting this. I have been wondering this since every person talking about this seems to only use loop
@@monadoboy9639 the gunsmith has sold God rolls at least once per season since it launched bro.... Wdym?
I don’t think bungie realized how strong this was lol no rocket is beating this burst damage for a looonnnggg time
I'm sure they will just nerf rockets as a whole because of a single outlier and have it still be decent but every other rocket be garbage while they try and fail to buff grenade launchers into the meta again
@@jacob-2271 The saddest part is that this is most likely going to happen. It's Bungie, after all...
Rockets def catching a nerf lol they’ve been strong for awhile now and just keep getting stronger. Who’s ready for the heavy GL meta?
@@jacob-2271 the Cataclysmic incident
I think a Catision Coordinate with Izzanagis does way more dmg with apex predator than witherhoard and arc fusion rifle. Is it possible you could test that as well?
*Cartesian
René Descartes rolling in his grave somewhere after this comment. Izanagi, the literal God of Japanese tradition, also losing his mind.
It is, with solar surge. It barely out damages the voltshot
Izzy’s and AP per combo out damage WH and AP but in a 30 second span WH and AP Do more damage because auto loading and time saving to keep damage pressure on. Single combo- IB and AP. Total damage in 30 second boss window- WH and AP
With the apex you should try shooting 2 realoding one and wait for the second one to reload cause enhanched recon procs after 3.5s, while reloading with max reload speed is 2ish seconds so it would be slower to single reload
yea if you just let it auto reload instead of manually reloading right after you shoot. it will get two rockets so you dont even have to wait that split second yourself. You wont even have a chance of shooting the rocket early. i just hold shoot down and dont even press reload its a little slower but you will never not get 2 rockets
You had the footage of Cold Comfort switched around with Apex Predator in the damage test portion. I don't know if that affected your maths?
Idea for the channel; add overlayed dps charts based on the video. Little extra work, but I believe it would enhance the great content you're already putting out.
I’ve been using tracking a lot more on my rockets I know on paper it’s less damage but in real world scenarios I lose a lot more damage to rockets I miss and it’s definitely boss specific
I need a tracking CC for the dungeon boss lol
@@JustMeSavy yea same but even when I was farming master grasp of averice boss I still used if you one phase who cares if you don’t have the most meta thing I’ll take my ease of use and I was still top damage a lot of the time
I think you mixed up the Cold Comfort & Apex Predator at the start of the video?
I mean in the places where you would normally need to toss a reload in, use your super, should have nade back after or reconstruction will load it.
It should have been said that even Hothead is great and the numbers you showed do not include burst super damage, which in a team boss damage phase can help edge your individual damage beyond those who just use weapons. The issue people tend to have in most boss fights is missing rockets, because that will have more of a negative impact on your total damage than not having Cold Comfort or Apex with B/S.
If you don't have either Apex or Cold Comfort, it's not that big of a deal. Most sensible groups don't care even in Master content
Am I the only one that cant seem to get Envious Assassin to proc consistently? I wish there was some type of notification on the screen on how Envious is procing before you swap to that said weapon. I always swap and sometimes I'll have 2 and soemtimes I'll have 3. Seems very inconsistent even though I feel like I am getting the rapid kills it is asking for.
Carried my buddy through his first deep clear. He gets 5/5 cold comfort as his first drop.... so jealous. And he is a PVP guy who will never use it lol
i wonder what is the 5/5?
@dpw 04 impact casing, envious assassin, bait and switch, reload or velocity masterwork. First column doesn't matter too much but velocity is always good
Same here but i am the pvp guy who got it same roll but blast radius mw. It will be nice to use it once and never again cuz i really only play pvp not that much pve hahahahaha
@@ImNot5YearsOld reload or handling are the best masterworks both increse dps handling for hot swaps and reload for reloading faster. but tbh masterworks dont really mater in the end of the day
would waiting for the reconstruction to overfill your mag to 2 before swapping back to the rocket be better or worse?
also using cartesian coordiante when useing apex preadator would allow it to benefit from the 3x solar surge, so how does cc compare to the voltshot iterative loop
matching surges>iterative loop. jolt (voltshot) was basically killed and it's all been standardized. No idea if this is a bug
That's a good question. Would be curious to know if the x3 surge mods on cartesian would make up for the extra damage that jolt does. I would assume the x3 surge mods would be more than the jolt since you do use quite a few fusion shots in this rotation.
@@boneidle8420 that is correct. Jolt damage is currently all standardized and it's..not very good, the fusion's jolt is the same as say, ikelos, postery, etc. Jolt values cause the nerf. The jolt damage doesn't even get buffed by surges/well/lumina anymore. Even two tailed fox and darci got a massive hit cause the jolt nerfs.
So TL;DR
matching surges with fusion>iterative loop
@@marceletta i agree, I think Izzi and Cartisian with apex is way more potent than WH and the arc fusion
@@marceletta ah I didn't know if it was standard or if it scaled a bit depending on type of weapon damage. Good to know, thanks for the info 👍
5:04 is Cold Comfort suppose to be chill clip or Bull n Shit? i am confused
Ehroar, great video! You should test the Ager scepter alt fire mode with the new warlock exotic. I think with the continuous reload it might be a secret burst DPS monster. You now get another 1/3+ of your super used in the alt fire mode. I have been melting bosses with it but I don’t know where I can do actual damage testing solo.
search up "Ager's Scepter + Cenotaph Mask vs Akelous | Is it good??" on youtube. someone made a dps phase vid with that combo
@@boz- just saw it posted 15 minutes before my comment. 1.1mil from a special weapon, not bad.
If you wanna do this you should use transversive steps and a turret in a dps phase like golgoroth. You're a good utility and you're able to get your entire super out before running out of reserves
Try same strand set up but switch iterative loot with royal executioner (envious assassin + reservoir burst) and its the same, al least from the test I did on Phryzhia
And the artifact can buff it in surge activities
Could you do:
Whisper of rending, Whisper of impetus, Malfeasance/lucky pants, Cold comfort BNS wolfpack rounds
Silence & Squall
20x Malfeasance
Withering Blade
1x Special Weapon
4x Cold Comfort BnS
Dodge
1x Cold Comfort
Withering Blade
1x Cold Comfort
Duskfield Grenade
20x Malfeasance
Ideally you Proc voltshot with iterative but Idk if the timing would work
Praying with my soul he does proper rotations
Bro has 4 world’s firsts and you’re worried if he’s doing proper rotations?
@@bgd-grey8847 you would be surprised how many dps tests he's done where it wasn't. Im happy he's doing them tho, W Ehroar
just watched. seemed good to me
Would necrotics be the best option purely for thread of generation? Occasionally you don't get your nade back in time would that help with consistency?
Cold Comfort, its the best for big burst dmg, in quick time, because you have 4 rackets one after another +bait and switch with witherhoard, but it cannot always be used in any encounter, because it needs some clear ads stacks for envious assassin, and a finisher or rev for the 4th racket
i think u shot the apex instead of the cc for the cc numbers unless thats just background clip
u think with the changes to bipod , envious with bipod would be better ?
When you tested clown cartridge hothead did you stand in your own well? Because if so you are doing extra damage against the boss.
The other two should’ve been much much higher than hothead. But standing in your own well buffs damage. Against Persys. (Also warlocks be aware strand super adds ≈350-400k
That got patched ages ago
@@Shadow_of_originit did not lmao, the scalar was lowered slightly in the lates patch, but super damage (weapon damage from a warlock in their own well counts as super damage) absolutely still does a ton more damage to Perseus.
Thank youuu I've been waiting fir someone to make a video about the actual dps comparison between these two rockets
any chance your gonna update this video with the new breytech osprey with impact casing cluster lasting impressions?
would love to see those dps values with gally
You mixed up the Apex Predator and Cold Comfort clips on your DPS counting clips btw
Can someone explain to me the benefits of the iterative loop roll ehroar shows and how useful it is?
Im real confused why dosent the hothead work with the strand build plz tell me
I would like to know though whether or not chill clip including shatter damage is better or not compared to bait and switch (of course with gjallarhorn) I just would like to know if it is similar to how bump in the night was being of course only a single player rocket but I mean whether it is still outright better
Bait and switch probably best for the whole team overall but as a singular shooter would cold comfort with chill clip be the best play? 😊
B&S will be better if i had to guess without testing because chill clip was a little more dps the explosive light and explo is 25% and does not buff wolf pack rounds and B&S is 35% and buffs wolf pack rounds. that being said i think i will be better for all just running B&S and use some other way for shatter like riptide chillclip because it will also get the surge buff or stasis turrets or hunter super. but its now the best chill clip rocket so if you get the god roll with chill clip i would keep it
You can izzy rockets with apex though? Isn't that better than witherhoards +plus rockets for dps?
he uses witherhoard to regen grenade ammo to reload his rocket with strand grenade
@Doctor Gonzo yes I know that, but with apex having auto loading it doesn't need it, so you can izzy and and swap you just start off with an extra rocket. I was just wondering if that was more damage than witherhoard, I'd imagine it is
@@tiptaptom pretty sure the witherhoard combo does more dmg because of the grenade energy thing. If it has reconstruction or not doesn't really matter, reloading with strand grenades just improves the dps compared to doing a izzy swap
@@doctorgonzo7777 yeah maybe, be nice to see if it does or not, I'd try testing it myself if I could hit izzy crits 😂
What about Supremacy with B&S vs Izzy? Thinking LFG Raid with div. You can do this on any class and subclass.
What’s that shader on those rockets?!
What about if you strand super as well? Im sure the dps would increase but you might not get all your rockets out in the damage windows.
More setup and having to get a 5/5 or just craft Apex Preadator. I wonder what one people will choose lol. Damage isn't enough to no life that dungeon and Apex use case is just so much easier.
I have a cold comfort bit I can't ever get all 3 rounds in the mag. It only goes t 2 for me. What am I doing wrong?
pretty sure it goes to 3 with envious assassin and the amount of kills matter
Get 8 kills and then immediately switch to your cold comfort.
Should have 3.
Sometimes if you get the kills and don’t swap to the rocket it won’t actually “lock in” the ammo and will only go up to 2.
If ur using this build solo u can use rain of fire to also become radiant, its not much but its something
I have both I personally prefer apex just because of the ease of use it has, especially on raid encounters where i usually run like nez on ron or caretaker on vow. Theyre both very good but heavily dependent on play style.
ill stick to my hothead. as i got lucky with the roll i want and i dont get to do raids/dungeons that often and have 0 desire to min/max my endgame build when it rarely even gets used
man you doin the lord’s work. We appreciate you man. you help me keep my loadouts relevant 😂
second rocket was apex predator but you said was cold comfort. Are the numbers mixed?
what shader is that? on the first rocket
u could actually run apothosis veil on warlock to needle storm in between and then have another nade ready to go for another instant reload
The first reason to ever consider equipping apotheosis veil has just been discovered. Too bad nobody probably has a good roll lying around
Is chill clip at all comparable to b&s? Assuming someone is using gjally of course
Do you know which rockets you’re using?
what shader is that on the hothead? lol
Please test Radiant Dance Machines.
What shader was on your hothead?
sinking feeling from season 19
why didn’t u use explosive light on the hh
My argument is that cold comfort has you running a stasis rocket and an arc fusion with voltshot (Jolt got nerfed and is no longer as good as it used to be but still serves its purpose as free damage to help bring back your grenade. Due to the combo requiring witherhoard there is no way to match a stasis fusion with cold comfort. Apex predator can match triple solar surges with a godroll cartesian coordinate and surpass iterative loop with voltshot due to jolt's nerf. I also find it barely noticable with how fast your grenade comes back after no longer using voltshot. I also found myself in a few situation where there were no adds to proc voltshot on just before a damage phase. My main reason though for liking apex predator is these two do basically the exact same thing with me just having to try a little harder while using apex predator but one is craftable and one is not. In short, I'm too goddamn lazy to go grind a cold comfort when apex predator is craftable. I don't feel like going and farming a cold comfort because it is one of six drops from the encounters it drops from and then you still need two main perks and impact casing for it to be the right roll. I like apex predator because I am lazy.
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Impact casing really isn't that important
@@maximusyoung9276 Yeah sure, but still getting the two perks together is still enough for my luck to keep me from getting this until rockets aren’t meta anymore.
Fair enough
At least with the Apex, you can craft your own Godroll! With the Cold Comfort you're at the mercy of RNG.
How are you using grenade to reload your rocket
I’m curious where cold comfort stands if you only get it to shoot off 3 rockets instead of 4 on initial burst
I wonder how big a hit this took with the nerf to thread of generation with the start of season 22….
I was waiting for that. Thanks ❤️
did he use apex twice? for cold comfort and for apex?
What is the damage difference between CC with chill clip instead of bait and switch because with wolfpack rounds u can shatter every shot.
Don’t use chill clip
Why is thread of evolution needed for all classes?
I think I'm going to go with Witherhoard, Cartesian with Vorpal and the Apex with Bait so I can get easy damage bonuses with solar surges for both weapons.
Try hothead with el and demo on solar hunter nades
I personally use catisian with vorpal with apex as my fusion and I feel it helps squeak out more damage
Why would you do dps testing with GH if that only messes up the numbers? Just compare them by themselves
Because if you're using rocket launchers its just a good idea to bring a GH to buff them even more, so testing damage with it shows us the highest possible damage with that rocket launcher
@@THERATSANDTHERATS GJ just adds some variable damage on top of the base RL damage.
And as far as I know, WP rounds dmg does not depend on the used RL archetype. So you can just add some arbitrary number to every base RL damage and it'll be more accurate
I've gotten THREE cold comforts with envious assassin and chill clip, I'm just begging to get that last slot filled with the gold roll perk of bait and switch
I can never get 3 rockets with envious assassin on the cold comfort. I’ve tried many different weapons to get the rapid kills and they all gave me 2 rockets
what about slideways on apex predator? you can do many different things with it like swapping between two weapons with slideways shooting and sliding to get rid of the 3 second cooldown. Also sliding and alternating fire with thread of ascent to alternate cooldowns. I know its inconvenient to be moving around while dpsing but i feel like it has to be considered because of how much dps is possible.
Basically the same as reconstruction, since slideshot has a 3seconds cd, and reconstruction sits at 3.5, u just dont need to slide while doing dps.
Yeah and have your entire raid team hate you? i'd rather not have someone using slideshot in my raid team since they would be bumping and pushing everyone around for a half second difference.
I got a cold comfort the god roll, but with explosive light and i also have a fully enhanced crafted reconstruction/bait y switch apex i think ill stick to the apex while i get the cold comfort also riptide or cartesian works with each of them so it doesnt really matter if I do a slightly less dps.
What's the god roll on CC?
I wonder if hothead with explosive light instead of clown would beat any of these out
I got AP with reconstruction explosive light and it’s served me well so far
Hothead adept (if you have it) because you can get vorpal & adept big ones mod 🤷🏾♂️ apex 2nd just cause you can craft it with enhanced perks and it also has reconstruction. You’ll have to get lucky to get a good roll on that dungeon rocket…
Adept big one is essential major and boss spec into one. It doesn’t do any more damage than either
can you test how good the chaos reach is now
I'm almost positive I've had 10 rockets in reserve with apex
I think it’s 9 not 10. Because i put on 3 solar reserves and only maxed out at 9 same as having 2 solar reserve mods
I have definitely seen 10 rockets with apex predator, but I cannot tell you how I managed it
What shader is on those rockets gyattttt?
I started using apex and a bate and switch supremacy and it does numbers, highly recommend
What is that shader?
Seeing the reckless oracle in your inventory was amazing i still use mine!
Hey Ehroar can you try an auto loading explosive light hothead with conditional finality? ( aka shooting a rocket, switching to conditional, firing 2 shots, reloading and switching back). Ive been doing it and the auto loading is frame perfect pretty much and I always end up 1st in dps. Also I use one of my auto loadings with curiass tcrash.
Makes me wonder, i have an adept hothead with vorpal
Alright so this dps is for Warlock's but what about Hunters? Star Eaters + Tractor vs Lucky Pants + Malfeasance with Catalyst which does more DPS?
Why would this be for warlocks only?
@@lukasderstecher4582 Well that was my assumption seeing the witherhoard, since hunter have access to Lucky Malfeasance combo it would be fair to assume that it'd do more than witherhoard damage wise making Malf + Iterative Loop Voltshot + BnS Cold Comfort do much more damage.
Wont you reload hothead faster with feild pred due to a reload multiplier?
yea but nothing would change he was crouched when shooting the hothead.
@@Kanudee not for the first dps calculations test
I feel like using ghorn here immediately invalidates all of the data here because of how inconsistent the damage with wolfpacks is
Guys help should i use god roll rocket or should i crafti it
Is bump in the night just worse than the cold comfort?
yes bumps just a support rocket bc your shattering the boss
Wouldn’t techeun be better since you’d have to kill reload to even get voltshot Everytime for the rotation?
Techeun is better if you or a teammate is able to jolt the boss without Iterative Loop. Otherwise you need a source to jolt for max dps and Iterative is the easiest source typically.
@@isaacjohnson5874 yeah but like I said you still have to proc voltshot (getting a kill with iterative and reloading) why not just have someone using 2 tail with catalyst
@@gunstru It's better to have a Gathering Storm, but yeah. The video was more focused on a single loadout, not team dps though.
What about if you don't wanna do something so complicated?
just shoot for an envious assassin cold comfort. 8 rapid kills to get 3 in the mag plus a finisher to activate the origin trait and you're set
There are definitely times that apex has had 10 in the reserves with no mods on and I dont really know why. Usually it's 7 but sometimes for no reason it'll go up to 10.
Apex with reconstruction and explosive light is going to work for most people in most content. I’m pretty bad about saving my heavy for the boss so I always have explosive light rockets at the end😅.
But this is cool if you want max DPS and get fancy with it 🍻
So you're the one doing fuckall damage in the raid teams? The one getting their DPS beat by div or ghally?
why explo? u do 35% more damage with BnS
id use bns tbh. its a lot more free than EL and provides a lot higher of a damage boost.
why your boss bar is rose?
1:39 - is it just me that didn't understand a word from it? :D
Isn't this only applicable to warlocks? For instance a hunter wouldn't benefit from CC as they would have to manually reload instead of being able to throw a grenade to reload?
Its applicable to all strand classes. The reload from using grenade comes from thread of ascent
@@turncoat8827 Yeah, but I mean damage wise, hunters are better off using a different subclass for the super.
@@RaNd0mGaMeRzZ they still have the reload from grapple, but that's about it. Maybe threadlings grenade since you get two? Idk. Damage wise it doesn't have the super so I get your point
Just don’t play hunter. It’s a garbage pve class and has no place in the endgame. Stick to strikes clown
doesn’t matter the warlock should be on solar coz of the well more well warlocks the better
how many years do you have to play to get those?
@@danteboricua i mean "how many years do you have to play to be good enough to get the OP weapons?"
@@danteboricua i've been playing since end of Witch Queen and i still cannot do Nightfalls
@@danteboricua not even heroic. i've never done anything legendary either.
@@Patternerno way you’re a real human
Why is volt shot good here? Doesnt it need a kill to proc the jolt?
He blasts the goblin right before boss DPS starts
@@oldsaddad7274 didn't notice! Thanks
Kinda odd how he didn't show the numbers for Apex on it's own when just firing and reloading over 4 and 8 shots like the others.
Sealed ahamkara grasp works pretty well for hunters if you have a free exotic slot, not to mention reload dodge
whats that shader on the hot head
Rime keepsake
Grate/helpful video rightthere👌🏼
can anyone expalin to me how to get 3 magazine on cold confront?
Does anyone know why I randomly get 13 apex predator rockets instead of 9 sometimes?
Because Bungie shit code
Does impact casing really matter that much on it?
its a 2.5% damage increase so yea i guess so
its like a 2.2% increase so its not much but a slight damage boost is a slight damage boost.
I always take Alloy Casing. The damage from Impact is dinky, I'd rather just reload faster.