I think Steam has no power to decide if it is license or owning it because they neve have been clear about it, it is in the hands of the developers. Gog policy is alredy well known there is no points in devs companies saying "we retire the game from gog".
That might be somewhat true. I've since learned that Running With Scissors put out a tweet in response to this controversy by saying that devs can opt to not have DRM in games on Steam and that players can simply copy the game file into another folder where it can still work.
Not saying that customers shouldn't be mad about this - just that they're are extremely late to the party on this. You have never owned your games, and this has been the case stretching back to at least the NES and Sega Master System. The only thing you ever owned was the physical media which held the game, but not the game itself. The only difference is that back then, publishers didn't have a whole lot of (affordable) options to revoke your access. Now that every major gaming platform has 24 hour internet access and hard drives, publisher have automated carte blanche to go into your system at any time and remove content, alter content, or revoke access for really any reason. Even physical media isn't the guarantee of playability after unplugging the internet, as many games require extensive day one patches to become playable, or need to connect to the internet at least once to unlock... but, like the PS4, those initial checks can be broken by something as simple as a CMOS battery failure, rending your disk library unplayable. You can still be charged with piracy (no matter how rare it actually is due to the cost of prosecution) for downloading software you have rightfully "bought" and paid for even if you can prove it in court by bringing in the software package and receipt. Even those GOG games you have aren't "yours". They merely stripped out the DRM and anti-piracy, bringing us back closer to a state of physical media - but they are still just licenses granted to your account, and the account can be revoked or stolen, and you have no rights to software distributed through them if you are not granted access to the account by GOG regardless of the money you previously spent.
True, they might be late to the party, but I think that it's never too late to want to have more consumer rights. (And in Valve's defense, they've usually done right by the users, enabling their success, so I'm willing to accept some things here and there.)
If i didnt buy the game, then i should be able to get a refund because the product didnt match my expectations. If its now after sale being marked as a license, then i want my money back.
Well its true that it wasn't explained properly, I realized I was actually buying licenses due to 2 events. -The 1st was when I purchased killingfloor 1 I read the whole terms and services agreement and I didn't liked what I read -The second was the purchase of CS Source, the license actually appeared in my steam inventory After that I had to face reality and realize that I was buying a license for a limited time, as long as that time is beyond my lifespan that would be great but steam can and might revoke those licenses for steam accounts older than some years time. So game inheritance is fundamentally screwed.
Steam games can be cracked its just a matter of people learning how. The easiest way to safeguard what you've bought is to back up your Steam Library and store it on a different drive that way they won't be able to take your games away and you could possibly crack them in the future to play them without Steam. I've managed to crack a few of my Steam games for example.
@@FantomMisfit That's a good idea. I haven't even considered something like that. I'll also add that it was brought to my attention on Discord that devs can actually opt to make games on Steam DRM-free, according to a tweet by Running With Scissors.
The way I see it a game is just like the contents of a book or a dvd, you can own the exclusive right to sell it but nobody can own the content or stop people from sharing it for free if they so desire.
why is this new news this is not new . god dang we all know thatb uying games on steam epic games or orgins or blizzard we dont own our games even with consoles too my friend lost all 15 years of his xbox account games . i might buy games on gog i see some games that i dont on steam . like strangel hold and or wet . other hidden gems i do gog or other meathods depends if i cannot buy it anymore
@@KazzoKiller3890 I'll partially disagree. In an age where information is more accessible than any other age, this shouldn't be hard to have learned in one way or another. But I think in some ways, while the newer generation is more adept than older generations at picking up technology sooner, it also knows just as much when it comes to knowing how it works and handling "basic" things.
@@XRos28 The general consensus was already that Epic is (at best) only good for the free games and should otherwise be avoided. This instance won't change anything, especially since they'll have to state the same change, too, if they haven't already. Valve just started early.
@@tobyzilla we can and should but unfortunately the tecnology is 10 years behind. I don't think a pendrive can support the reading speeds needed to install a "modern" game To be clear, I'm with you, but I don't see the way out of this forced digitalization
Considering that we buy games only when they are on sale, I think it's a fair trade. But who didn't see this really? The warning has been on the label from the beginning
Very true. I don't know how people haven't known. Maybe it's the sudden flux of PC gamers who migrated from consoles once the ports came over, or maybe it's those who adopted because it was popular due to streamers.
So what? i don't care anyway I use steam because i like it I know use steam not mean own it Anyway sail the 7 sea always an option sience back than Seriously back than only way i can watch anime with dub is piracy Piracy not bad thing It is only way to preserve game
imagine not doing piracy at this point.
GoG exist
Then i guess piracy is legal since they are robbing me
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If you dont own the game, you shouldnt be denied a return. I never even had it in the first place 🤷🏼♂️
If you never had it then theres nothing to return to you
@@anaseljaaran2598 my money, they had my money lol
They really think in the future we won't own anything and we will be happy
Only "licenses" and streaming. And there might be a greater push for the latter since that gives us less control.
I think Steam has no power to decide if it is license or owning it because they neve have been clear about it, it is in the hands of the developers. Gog policy is alredy well known there is no points in devs companies saying "we retire the game from gog".
That might be somewhat true. I've since learned that Running With Scissors put out a tweet in response to this controversy by saying that devs can opt to not have DRM in games on Steam and that players can simply copy the game file into another folder where it can still work.
it's always been like this, nothing new
True.
Not saying that customers shouldn't be mad about this - just that they're are extremely late to the party on this. You have never owned your games, and this has been the case stretching back to at least the NES and Sega Master System. The only thing you ever owned was the physical media which held the game, but not the game itself. The only difference is that back then, publishers didn't have a whole lot of (affordable) options to revoke your access. Now that every major gaming platform has 24 hour internet access and hard drives, publisher have automated carte blanche to go into your system at any time and remove content, alter content, or revoke access for really any reason. Even physical media isn't the guarantee of playability after unplugging the internet, as many games require extensive day one patches to become playable, or need to connect to the internet at least once to unlock... but, like the PS4, those initial checks can be broken by something as simple as a CMOS battery failure, rending your disk library unplayable.
You can still be charged with piracy (no matter how rare it actually is due to the cost of prosecution) for downloading software you have rightfully "bought" and paid for even if you can prove it in court by bringing in the software package and receipt.
Even those GOG games you have aren't "yours". They merely stripped out the DRM and anti-piracy, bringing us back closer to a state of physical media - but they are still just licenses granted to your account, and the account can be revoked or stolen, and you have no rights to software distributed through them if you are not granted access to the account by GOG regardless of the money you previously spent.
True, they might be late to the party, but I think that it's never too late to want to have more consumer rights. (And in Valve's defense, they've usually done right by the users, enabling their success, so I'm willing to accept some things here and there.)
If i didnt buy the game, then i should be able to get a refund because the product didnt match my expectations. If its now after sale being marked as a license, then i want my money back.
It isn't. It stays was a license. You didn't read your ToS.
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 NOW it does state this. Because laws have changed. But it didn't use to.
Well its true that it wasn't explained properly, I realized I was actually buying licenses due to 2 events.
-The 1st was when I purchased killingfloor 1
I read the whole terms and services agreement and I didn't liked what I read
-The second was the purchase of CS Source, the license actually appeared in my steam inventory
After that I had to face reality and realize that I was buying a license for a limited time, as long as that time is beyond my lifespan that would be great but steam can and might revoke those licenses for steam accounts older than some years time. So game inheritance is fundamentally screwed.
Steam games can be cracked its just a matter of people learning how. The easiest way to safeguard what you've bought is to back up your Steam Library and store it on a different drive that way they won't be able to take your games away and you could possibly crack them in the future to play them without Steam. I've managed to crack a few of my Steam games for example.
@@FantomMisfit That's a good idea. I haven't even considered something like that. I'll also add that it was brought to my attention on Discord that devs can actually opt to make games on Steam DRM-free, according to a tweet by Running With Scissors.
@@iamxeracon That's true too usually the ones without DRM just need the Steam runtime replaced and then they'll work perfectly fine
The way I see it a game is just like the contents of a book or a dvd, you can own the exclusive right to sell it but nobody can own the content or stop people from sharing it for free if they so desire.
The Tron world gameplay is rather fitting for the topic.
That was completely unintentional, haha! But it was fitting.
I only buy full price games if they are physical, I have never bought a full price digital game
XD they put the arbitration thing now that there is no arbitration anymore, everything has to be settled in court now.
I've known this for a while.
why is this new news this is not new . god dang we all know thatb uying games on steam epic games or orgins or blizzard we dont own our games even with consoles too my friend lost all 15 years of his xbox account games . i might buy games on gog i see some games that i dont on steam . like strangel hold and or wet . other hidden gems i do gog or other meathods depends if i cannot buy it anymore
Agreed. This isn't anything new (not that I'm OK with just having a "license"), so people being surprised is very odd.
@@iamxeracon they are farming views, atleast how some are reacting tho
You should know, every generation, there's a new generation.
What may be known to you, be news to others.
So many fools on steam that doesnt read tos.
@@KazzoKiller3890 I'll partially disagree. In an age where information is more accessible than any other age, this shouldn't be hard to have learned in one way or another. But I think in some ways, while the newer generation is more adept than older generations at picking up technology sooner, it also knows just as much when it comes to knowing how it works and handling "basic" things.
What about EPIC Games? Where does it stand?
@@XRos28 The general consensus was already that Epic is (at best) only good for the free games and should otherwise be avoided. This instance won't change anything, especially since they'll have to state the same change, too, if they haven't already. Valve just started early.
@@iamxeracon Thank you for your answer, it actually helped. 🖖
I liked GOG before this news
Absolutely based and DRM-free pilled.
Yeah I never had a good opinion of Steam
That's fair enough.
PC shills have been buying digital only with DRM from Steam for a decade and they just now realize they don't own their games?
😂
I wouldn't call it that but I do hope more pc gamers start to dump steam for gog
@@tobyzilla GOG does exactly the same things, they only worded differently
Their DRM-free is an half-lie
@DottorHealer if true then that wouldn't be good but we pc gamers can go back to haveing optical drives/disk drives and physical media
@@tobyzilla we can and should but unfortunately the tecnology is 10 years behind.
I don't think a pendrive can support the reading speeds needed to install a "modern" game
To be clear, I'm with you, but I don't see the way out of this forced digitalization
@DottorHealer oh I'll find a way to actually own the games I perched even if it means dumping the games and make them work without drm
every game? huh?
Considering that we buy games only when they are on sale, I think it's a fair trade.
But who didn't see this really? The warning has been on the label from the beginning
Very true. I don't know how people haven't known. Maybe it's the sudden flux of PC gamers who migrated from consoles once the ports came over, or maybe it's those who adopted because it was popular due to streamers.
So what?
i don't care anyway
I use steam because i like it
I know use steam not mean own it
Anyway sail the 7 sea always an option sience back than
Seriously back than only way i can watch anime with dub is piracy
Piracy not bad thing
It is only way to preserve game
There's so much media that would be lost if not for piracy, and that's a real shame. There's still likely lost media that will never be recovered.
I recently found out that some countries consider sharing a ROM for free "piracy" and huhuhehue🇧🇷