I've systematically figured out why we (ENTPs) are the most in-charge of the starter types (and some other stuff). -We have a control based ISFJ subconscious which makes us aspire to be more control-based. -We have a direct INTJ shadow that makes us worry that we aren't direct enough. In the example with the milk, we worry that if we aren't direct we will be made to get the milk ourselves. -We are very pragmatic and just don't care about what everyone else thinks is "the proper thing". The ISFJ subconscious makes us more dutiful, but in a pragmatic manner. So yeah, using that I've ranked starter types by their want to be in-charge: 1. ENTP 2. ESFP 3. ESFJ 4. ENFP Oh, and how about every other interaction style? *Structure* 1. ENTJ 2. ESTP 3. ESTJ 4. ENFJ *Finisher* 1. INTJ 2. ISTP 3. INFJ 4. ISTJ *Background* 1. INTP 2. ISFP 3. INFP 4. ISFJ Notice how it's NT>SP>SJ>NF for extraverts and NT>SP>NF>SJ for introverts *Now I'm gonna waste even more of my life ranking all types by their will to be in-charge because it's fun* 1. ENTJ 2. ESTP 3. ESTJ 4. ENFJ, ENTP 6. ESFP, INTJ 8. ESFJ 9. ENFP 10. ISTP, INTP 12. INFJ 13. ISTJ 14. ISFP 15. INFP 16. ISFJ I made this up as fast as I can, there may be some issues. P.S. ffs I just wasted almost an hour writing and editing this
How about just consider MBTI to be a 4-letter code that is only the tip of the iceberg called Depth Psychology or Jungian Annalytical Psychology? We need to spread awareness of the need for careful assessment, that we shouldn't assess type from the 4-letter dichotomies. And spread awareness that we should take with a grain of salt most personality type assessments available in the internet. Yes, there's the problem of who is supposed to be considered qualified to make such assessment, and restriction would make the "specialists" seem to be making assessments for money, rather than science. Controversies... we won't get rid of them any soon.
I get the point of many of the points that are mentioned, but the three last letters are never referencing gut feeling, or feelings, or perception, or judgement. Everyone who looks deeper into the MBTI system, will know that the J and P dichotomy is about how the person organizes their life. Are they perceiving, meaning, they prefer “go with the flow”, not sticking to or making any set plan. Or are they judging, meaning they usually prefer to make a plan things ahead of time. Thinking and feeling refers to their decision making style. Are they thinking, meaning they prefer to make decisions based on an impersonal process, or are they feeling, meaning they prefer to make decisions based on a personal process. Intuition and sensing is about how the person gathers information. Are they sensing, meaning they prefer to pay attention to the physical details. Or are they intuition, meaning they prefer to pay attention to the metaphysical aspect of things. Your right that people usually don’t look deep enough into it, and think exactly what you said about it. Heck, somebody got intuition and sensing almost completely wrong wrong, and said sensing types are about the specifics, whereas intuitives are about the general idea. But other that, I agree. The MBTI should just be ignored. At least until someone is able to somehow improve it so it’s more closely related to the functions.
Still making my way through your videos! Thanks for providing a good order to watch! My issue with those tests now too is that I've taken so many, I know exactly how to answer any question to get the result I want, whether it's my type or not. It's hard to just take the test unbiased. I took your test the for the first time a few days ago and it was awesome because I had no way to rig it, and I still came out ENFP, so I feel confirmed!
I don't really understand the rebuilding etc. If I suddenly realised I was a different type I'd just be like meh, still the same person, different letters. Not resonating.
INFJ friend also pointed out the strong 💪 💪possibility that I was an ISTP, not the original test result (ISTJ), or results thereafter (INTP, ENTJ). And, it was like a light came on! Wish you could talk more abt how to overcome Se forgetting, i.e. utilizing that as a strength vs. weakness. Cause the weak side of that super-sucks!!
INTP here .LMAO cause I literally told my ENTP English tutor once that I have very good processor but my RAM is pretty low .I didn't even know about psychoanalysis then .
is the guy in the drawing behind you actually you and fan draw for you or is he that villain I don’t remember what his name exactly 😅 edit: My first time to finish the whole lecture without closing it (even though I’ve lost attention here and there) I’m shocked of myself 😂
So if someone is afraid of life in general they are in a different part of their mind? I find that kind of tough to determine. Lol I typed myself as an isfj whose vice and virtue is faith vs fear so I don't even know if I'm not in my ego or if I'm just a worried isfj. Or do you mean afraid of showing my true personality?
Isabel Briggs Myers said that the second function (extroverted) is what introverts look like in the world, which is why the J/P functions are backward. She also said that the second function is who we actually are. I can see the first one being accurate, but as an introvert, I can say for certain that the second one is nuts. How accurate is her first statement?
MBTI had consistently typed me as an ENFP. I was lucky enough to hang out with Chase and he said “you’re definitely not ENFP.” He typed me as an ESTJ *mind blown* ... Yeah, I’ll trust actual human interaction with the worlds foremost expert. Thank you, next.
If this related to love, then I always think some of my school friends(NOT opposite gender) having affection towards me and that's quite creepy... You know it from how they speak, look at you, give exclusive treatments to you, odd physical touches, ect.
Why can't being efficient and systematic (Te) coexist with being polite and people-liking (Fe)? Why can't being analytical (Ti) coexist with being good at details (Si)? Both are possible and not uncommon in real life, yet type dynamics seems to ignore it with the false dichotomies.
Appreciate if u collaborate with other typology channels. U need dialogue with many. Also it would be beneficial and a good learning experience to see others viewpoints.... It would be dope for ya channel as well
@@CSJoseph ok, thanks. The person seemed really sure about it, so I just had to verify it with someone I trust :' ) I love that you're active in the comment section ad well. It's very useful for all of us.
Somewhat disagree on that. From my observation trickster "jokes" can appear in several situations but as an ego defence which happens (I believe) in the child function inflation accompanying Critic projection. Technically it sounds like joke but it's like "what the heck?" Edit: I forgot to tell its some form of that tricksterish double bind
555 666 I’ve got a job. I think you were so busy angry-typing that you have a tendency to forget words entirely or you’re just stupid. Or dyslexic, in which case Slipknot is chill, what’s it like to be a heretic?
So Chase you keep saying people will be able to type people within 30seconds. I'd love this but don't see how that is possible? And don't you spend at least 30mins on your typing sessions to do it yourself?
@@CSJoseph not saying you are bragging, it's an honest question (ISTP - take everything I say literally ;)) so I watched a lot of your typing sessions incl the latest live Aussie one and it didn't work in 30secs. Just saying. Is there a trick? Or a difference if you meet people in real life rather than use tapes.
Good video. Liked the realization that IPs lead with judging compared to IJs, and all the other ones. That means types themselves are all incorrect then since Jung didn’t create the types! Isabel Myers, Katherine Briggs, and their test created the types.
I can't stand the "Talking with Famous People" channel. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and watched several videos. The presentation is just awful. The content is worse and I heard all kinds of things that were clearly just flat out wrong.
To be fair, it's really just their word against each-others' with a heavy amount of anecdotal evidence thrown into the mix - This stuff has very little scientific underpinning so it's a subjectivist's paradise.
I disagree. I was already starting to figure out the ESFP subconscious for my INTJ ego before i even found this channel. I was explaining to my friend that for some reason I have always gravitated towards this type and become friends with them. The INTJ + ESFP team up is shown in movies quite often. Why? Cause they are 2 parts of the mind and I saw in them a little of myself and vice versa. When I discovered CS Joseph, this pretty much solidified things I had already perceived and explained it. No other channel has come as close to this one for explaining why we do the things we do in relation to cognitive functions. @@ZahnZee
@@SpectreTheHorseman No, ESFP and INTJ work good together because of there function stacks. They work good together because an ESFPs conscious function order goes Se-Fi-Te-Ni and INTJs function order goes Ni-Te-Fi-Se, which means that they are a duality relationship according socionics, which means that they go well together as friends/partners because they are seeking the dominant function of the other type and the other type can provide it. ESFPs provides Se and INTJs provides Ni. This is consistent with TFWPs idea of how functions work (look into his book), but it is not consistent with CSJs idea of compatibility since he says in his video titled "What types are socially compatable with INTJs" that ESFPs are the 4th worst pairing with INTJs when it comes to Friendships. Because he thinks that we are seeking the opposite (In terms of E/I) of our functions, which would mean that ENTP is the best match (when it comes to friendships) for an INTJ, and an ESFP would be a horrible match So to resume what you said is right ESFP+INTJ makes a good friendship, but this is only consistent with Erics system not with CSJs system. Or as Dj Khaled would put it : Congratulations you played yourself
@@SpectreTheHorseman Also you gave no reason to why two people should be compatible because there function orders are different sides of the mind of each other ?
Chase, are you saying that the MBTI is...just a test? lol. Thanks for this; I know so many people who are SUPER initiating and go around talking about how they're introverts b/c an online test or tests told them so. Sigh...
I'd say he's feelin more comfortable trying to inform and entertain at the same time. I'm likin it. Especially as an ENFP with a shorter than average attention span : p
TWFP is full of shit 1/2 the time...hes good at debating tactics. If TWFP wanted to he could run CSJs multiple typing videos and show why hes wrong in real time. I suspect theres a reason he doesnt do this
William Rajbar low preference for Se is the reason(problem). TWFP and CS are both severely flawed in their approaches. The former presupposes cog functions as static and subject to positioning (disregards family dynamics and cog function development overtime) ...The latter renders his entire system useless and subjective when considering the “four sides” theory. (No truth can be discovered due to instability of the system to begin with) ...point being, Chase relies on a “utilitarian” excuse to prove how system is best. “Because it works” (which is weak and doesn’t prove it is accurate) ...Eric has false presuppositions about cognitive functions that render his system to rigid to be accurate. Both are erroneous systems. And neither of them show good understand of what the “complete type” MBTI assessment truly does. (Not a test, an assessment.) They both suffer from high levels of narcissism, which gives the best explanation for their persistent ignorance.
@@berlg.3382 Those are some pretty cruel things to say to both these guys. Nobody likes being accused of being narcissistic. I'm not as familiar with TWFP, but I know Chase works hard, and these TH-cam videos don't pay as well as they should. I've seen several times where Chase has admitted he has been wrong. I appreciate his humility. He's also been very respectful in his responses to other content creators. What evidence of narcissism can you point out? If you are speaking the truth, are you saying it in such a way that it will be best received? Please post a video and join the discussion if you think you can do a lot better.
MBTI be like: You're more concerned about proving your point in a discussion than you're concerned about people's feelings? You're a THINKER! Meanwhile my Te trying to get others to believe what I do so my Fi can feel good about myself. Yeah no. ENFP btw.
I was always under the impression that the P/J shows which one of your top two functions is extroverted. For example, INFJ. The J shows that their judging function is extroverted (Fe). The I/E shows which orientation you prefer as your first function. So since INFJ prefers Introversion but their Extroverted function is F, that would mean Ni is their preferred first function followed by Fe. This works for each of the 16 types I don't think normal tests understand how that's set up x.x
So, MBTI is misused all the time. There are also a lot of bad tests out there, but the system quite useful if you know how to use it. P = The primary extroverted attitude of the individual (Dom or Aux) is a perception function J = The primary extroverted attitude of the individual is a judging function The letters help us pivot on typology to find comparisons (see "temperaments" etc.). EJs share interesting characteristics NPs share interesting characteristics and so on
100%. The only people who trash the mbti system either: 1. Don't understand it. 2. Are looking for a "do it for me" "quick fix." 3. Are just trashing mbti as a distraction to build & promote *their* system(s) on top of it. 4. All of the above. The Truth is simple: You don't have the 4 letters without the Cognitive Functions. Understanding that requires work. Just because people don't put in the work, that doesn't mean mbti is flawed. It's the people. Why do I all of a sudden feel like I'm defending a religious &/or political construct or something 😂
I eagerly await your fictional character typing Q & A! You typed Goku as ESFJ?? Well I guess I can see that through his good hearted nature and his lack of Ti. His ISFP unconscious is channelled through anger In the guise of super sayian. What about Vageta?? Piccolo(my favourite character)?
In my mbti knowledge evolution I hadn’t yet stopped to think or analyze how poor the letter system was, but I did notice how it reminded me of a 4 digit binary number system. With 4 binary digits, you can represent 16 unique numbers. So E=0 and I=1 in first digit, n=0, s=1 in second digit and so on. I don’t have a grid system like you, but instead just run a lot of data through my head when typing someone. I must say, I can’t always do it fast like you claim is possible with your system. But then again, sometimes I do just know almost instantly. Sometimes for some reason, a name from the past will randomly pop in my head and I will know their type retrospectively, and instantly. Mind blowing.
20:38 I relate so much to the J and P part. A few months ago I took the MBTI test, it told me I was an ISFJ. I read the ISFJ descriptions feeling like: "this is stupid, I never do my chores, my homework, those things are boring, I'd rather practice the piano or build legos instead". Then I decided to do more research and somehow stumbled upon your videos, got introduced to the cognitive functions, interaction styles and finally typed myself as an ISFP. Edit: I came back to take the MBTI test again and still got ISFJ lol.
If you're a real ISFP in the ie and ei stacking, then you lead with a Judging function (Fi) and have inferior Te, which makes you test J, practicaltyping says. You're more plan oriented than ISTP, because they lack conscious Te (it's not in their top 4). I think I'm SiFi, which is ii/ee ISFP.
I got mistaken as enfp once due to stereotyping but in reality I'm an ISFP. Because I actually speak does not mean E type ugh lol. It's hard to get the right results. It was revealed to me that I was ISFP and i was like I'm a sensor when the fuck did that happen. So I had to re learn shit too. But yes I used to test as a J type because I do lead with Fi a J function but I use Extroverted perceiving so I'm a P. But I'm not a very spontaneous person I do like plans and knowing what I'm getting into. So I get it. Also on S vs N. ISFPs often think they are intuitives because the s and N are close.
I first tested as ENTP and when I read it I was not impressed nor could I relate that much but to only some of it. Tested again and got INTP and it seemed right on almost everything (except for being robotic). Although I state I’m INTP with confidence I still have my doubts and as this whole type thing has been my latest obsession (cos I’m weird like that) I’m starting to learn more about the interaction styles and temperaments. It still seems to point to INTP but I’m still struggling to be sure about that as I just can’t identify if I’m pragmatic or affiliative. So I asked my boss what I’m like in these situations who better to ask? Lol I still can’t decide... just means more reading I guess
I understand your point that the dichotomies and the functions are different. If the letters don't represent well your model, why do you still use them in the type grid ? Especially SJ and SP temperaments. For me, it would make much more sense if the Te and Fe heroes belong to the "in-charge" interaction style category. And the type grid would be something like this : - In charge : Te and Fe heroes - Starter : Se and Ne heroes - Finisher : Si and Ni heroes - Behind the scene : Ti and Fi heroes Do you see my point ? Why would it be wrong if so ? I need some enlightenment here ;) Thanks !
On 16personalities I got mostly INTP, but also INFP and once an ISTP... but almost all cognitive function tests that I took said that my strongest function is Ti followed by Ni and Ne..
Hi, CS. I’ve been trying to figure out what Patrick Batemans’s mbti personality type is. Most of online forums I’ve visited state he’s an INTJ. But he has some things that relate to ISTJ’s and also ENTJ’s. Where would you put him?
7:54 Or, the test mistakes judging for organized and stiff, perceiving for messy and spontaneous. All actual matter that this is testing is a likelyhood for sensors to prefer Si or Se. Actually, the case could be made too, how NJs are stiff and NPs are spontaneous, it does make some sense functionally. But the tests don't even ask the questions that way. It's like they're not even trying. There is one test that I like, on key2cognition. It goes after all eight functions individually and lists the three most likely types according to the questions answered. Of course to be taken with a grain of salt, too. But if it has to be a test, that is the one I would recommend. It got my INTJ friend who would insist forever on being an ENTP, based on letters, finally typed correctly and convinced. And it definitely helped to settle my personal confusion with his judgement axis, as I did consider INFJ as a possibility. In defense of the lettering: I like how xNTP or xSTJ talks about two types with the same functions each. I like to explain it like this: J = Pi + Je as the first two P = Ji + Pe as the first two E = Xe goes first I = Xi goes first So an NFJ will be strong Fe + strong Ni in some order. Makes it easier to talk about NFJs in general. It could very well be done with less potential for confusion. Should we perhaps name it all after the source function and then change the last letter according to the hero? So ENFJ → ENTJ; ISFJ → ISTP; ENTP → ESTP; ISTP → INTJ; INFP → ISFJ? That's just an example. It could be because I'm used the MBTI terms that I see valuable logic within that lettering. Anyone got better ideas? I personally like the DaveSuperPowers system. They basically just call the types by their first two functions, so an INFP would be the "Fi/Ne". There's much more to it, as one goes further into that theory, but I think it's a good start. 32:38 Some people would call it a devilish promise... 33:26 Ha, I do! I definitely do so! 😀 I'm sure you know that. I like your stance! And I like you, Chase! :) (I know multiple INxPs whose Si child genuinely enjoys being organized.)
Function stack = dope! Before I met your teachings I doubted the validity of this personality typing, as I only knew the letter dichotomies and it didnt fully make sense. When explained as 8 different functions it seems fit like a law of nature. Thank you :)
“Painful transformative process” is an interesting point. Realisation of your actual type meant you had to ‘transform’. I’m guessing, (with some personal experience to back this up), that you don’t mean the initial transformation was the changes in your physical life, (although I’m sure these came later), but more a transformation of your self and of your thinking. And yet you were an ENTP before and an ENTP after. So, what is it that actually changed? What is it that transformed that you then acted upon to go out and change the things in your life? Personality type stayed the same, but realisation changed. I feel there is a clue here. It’s as if the incoming data was previously mis-aligned and the firewall was blocking the input. Does belief, (the story we tell ourselves), overlay who we actually are? Can these beliefs that get in the way of our true selves be mistaken for being a part of our true personality, like a colour filter on over a lens? Tinting and obscuring from the point of view of the camera and for anyone looking at that camera’s pictures. But anyone clear minded enough to just look at the camera still sees a Cannon or a Nikon.
In a way, yes. The story we tell ourselves can impact how we'll act and possibly even think up to a point, It won't help much when it comes to needs or reactions though.
Yeh, coz the person is still basically that Cannon, Nikon or whatever, no matter how they’re viewing the world. Would explain why we sometimes walk around thinking/feeling there’s something not quite right that we just can’t quite put our finger on. (I wonder when my next epiphany’s coming and I get my next glimpse around this new colour filter!)
CS Joseph, when, or are you, going to come up with your own Jungian personality type test model so I can refer, and retest, many people to your test that addresses the issues of MBTI. I have been waiting for this for awhile and is my most requested thing. Also, you should come up with your own lettering system. Thanks -INTJ
On reddit a guy was actually arguing that the stack functions aren't real somehow, but that the MBTI shorthand was the only thing he accepted because some random authority said so.
Benevolens Psittacorum Had a female INTJ on Reddit argue that cognitive functions weren’t real and only types by letter alone. Claiming she gets along best with INTPs because they share 3 out of 4 letters. Durp 😆
Was just contemplating superheroes bc I realized they have an alter "ego". Since there already is a super ego I'm assuming "alter" ego is another name for the unconscious. Now specifically typing Batman/Bruce Wayne. I would first assume that Batman is the ego and that Bruce is actually the alter ego. So the real authentic self is batman and he is INTP. Therefore, his alter ego Bruce is the millionaire playboy philanthropist, ENTJ
While i agree typing by letters is just stupid. I like the letter names because they do have a system behind them that helps me remember all the cognitive functions for all the types. The I/E tells you that your first function is intra/extraverted. Then the J/P tells you that your first extroverted function is either your preferred perceiving or judging function, your other preferred function is introverted. The two middle letters tell you your preferred way to judge/perceive. Then you fill in the rest using cognitive axis(i have no idea what the plural of axis is).
So I'm about to turn 26. I've also been miss-typed by the stupid tests when I was 16, and it also said INTJ. I later, through studying the cognitive functions, have come to the conclusion of INTP and now you're making me doubt this. *You can't do this to me, reee.*
im lovin your vids man. Cant say i understand it all (yet) but what im picking up on is that there is more than one way of thinking!! And i really liked what you said here about having more experience allows the "future predictor" to go further out in time. Reminds me a bit of Tad James timeline therapy, except that model was very linear. What you're describing seems more every way, anyway, all ways, how many cocktails can you mix? And drink. And find new ways. Also, a revelation i had last year; in regard to "meaning of life". I started playing with the idea that "thinking" was a synonym for meaning. I.e. "the search for meaning" becomes "the search for {new way} of thinking".
I've done the Pottermore thing again (ENTP), it sorted me in Ravenclaw again my Patronus changed though lol now its an eagle I can relate to both eagle and weasel. I had three other ENTPs I personally know do it, one of them Slytherin and the other two Ravenclaw, that makes 3/4 in my small sample sized research.
I lately have been a huge fan and ardent scholar of MBTI/ Jungian psychology until I recently read that Jung came up with his theories on type after consulting a "spirit guide" named Philemon he encountered in a dream in 1913. From my understanding that's why he isn't recognized in modern psychology. You're the subject matter expert here so can you please point me in any direction to find objective, empirical evidence of Jungian personality types and their existence. Like I said this stuff fascinates me but I'm not interested in committing to studying it any further unless I can find out for certain its even true.
Aren't we technically using dichotomy though? Checking for concrete and abstract is just S/N? Also checking for initiating and responding is just E/I. How we do is just more specific. Forgive me for calling you out on this, but I've heard you say in your lectures that J types need to plan stuff out. Tons of MBTI knockoffs ask questions like, "Are you a planner, or do you like to go with the flow?" There's nothing in the temperaments or communication styles that check for J/P, but by saying that J types are planners, I'm afraid that you may be agreeing that using J/P dichotomy to type people is, on some level, legitimate. What are your thoughts?
Speaking of Letter Dichotomies, I think it took me until my mid to late twenties to figure out that I was not the INFJ personality type and was indeed an INTJ. For one, I didn't like the stereotypical description of either personality type and two, the questions in many of those tests were, and still are situational. Also, they don't take culture in consideration. I think the issue with some people's heavy reliance on the exam is the difficulty of grasping things outside of binary constructs. At least that is my experience when trying to explain to some people that introversion is not equal to shyness or being timid -- especially some extroverts that wear their extroversion on their sleeves. Not related, I think people would probably be more appreciative of your description of Ne/Ni if you used the focal ability of lens as an example versus that of a gun given that wider angle lens have a high span, but low depth while other lens have more depth, but less peripheral area.
I understood the gun analogy, perfectly. One had a broad focus with a short range, while the other has a tight focus with a long range. If you know guns, the analogy is imperfect but more than close enough to be understood.
Nice job misrepresenting TWFP (all the while being afraid to call him out directly) by implying Host Eric advocates for traditional MBTI, tests, or typing by letter dichotomies. Why don’t you two actually have a discussion/debate? It would do you a lot more good than making passive aggressive videos that are indirectly about (your straw man of) him. Also your comment on him not having credibility because he has sloppy presentation and smokes weed isn’t very ENTP at all. Sounds more like an ENTJ evaluating people based on their (assumed) position of authority. Ti evaluates claims and doesn’t care about who the person is that presents them, as who made the claim doesn’t have anything to do with its truth value. I don’t see much Ne-Ti in this video, but I do see your inferior Fi lashing out.
@C.S. Joseph if you are going to position yourself as an expert, you can’t ignore pushback from other members of the community, or try to trivialize them with ad hominem attacks. You seem like you’re a good dude overall, and I appreciate the work you’ve contributed to the Jungian typology community. But being intellectually dishonest is a huge disservice to the community and will eventually tarnish your reputation.
Is the four sides of the mind concept you speak of barrowed from the four faced churibim mentioned in th bible???(the book of Daniel and the book of Revelations
Thanks for the reply. My understanding of physiology(and all sciences for that matter) is the belief that science and religion/spirituality are one and the same. Religion is just the metaphorical understanding of science while science is the empirical exploration of religion both chasing each others tails in the frivolous attempt to find human origan
Great lecture! Enjoying this journey. I think the whole letter system just can't be accurate. Changing an INTJ to an INFJ, because INTJ's are Fi, doesn't fix anything, cuz how are they an "F" when they're like, triple pragmatic? Don't make sense... Or an INFP to an ISFP, because INFP's are Si, doesn't either make sense, cuz, we have like, SE TRICKSTER. So yeah. Not a "sensor." I understand a code is easier than remembering lists of functions, but that's all it is and all it should stay. A code.
The P/J just tells you wether your first judging function is introverted or extroverted. All J types have Fe or Te as either their parent or hero function. Yes typing people using the letters doesn’t work because people don’t understand what they mean. The letters aren’t completely meaningless though because they can be used to derive the cognitive functions. For example, I means the first function is introverted. N means that one of the first two functions is intuitive. T means that one of the first two function is a thinking function and P means that the first judging function is introverted. So based on the letter dichotomies you can get that an INTP has Ti Hero and Ne parent. Then the rest of the functions can easily be filled in. Honestly I can see how the letters relate to the cognitive functions more than the interaction style and temperament characteristics. I’m not saying I disagree with the type grid system, I’m just don’t fully understand how it works in relation to the functions. I can see that initiating vs responding means a persons top function is extroverted or introverted. And I see how abstract vs concrete means a person has an intuitive or sensing function in one of the top two roles. But beyond that there doesn’t seem to be a consistent pattern or feature about the cognitive functions to give you the other characteristics: informative, movement, systematic, pragmatic, ... etc.
In psychology, the MBTI and the Keirsey Temperamental Test II are administered by a psychologist and not just any MBTI certified practitioner. If people wants to have an accurate perception of themselves including their MBTI types, they go to psychologists. The testing environment and other ceiling effects during the test administration are eliminated.
@@CSJoseph muah, perfect example of Ne projection mirroring. I really don't know how you guys can do that, but it appear as some natural talent. ENFP's do the same thing.
I tested INTP in both my hs and collage interpersonal communication classes in the 80's and they were clearly right, but I've taken the internet test 3 times and it always makes me an INFP. I don't know how strong Ti can turn to weak Te and weak Fe turns to strong Fi. The online test also asks what I do in daily life vs what I would do if my behavior wasn't based on needs of life. (FYI, I love how there is always another level of knowledge that I can learn from you. I listen to many other channels and I get so much more from you that might have gone over my head by hearing it from another angle, but consider you far and away my go to expert. The insight I get from you also helps me look brilliant to my ISFP gf. Big props.)
I've systematically figured out why we (ENTPs) are the most in-charge of the starter types (and some other stuff).
-We have a control based ISFJ subconscious which makes us aspire to be more control-based.
-We have a direct INTJ shadow that makes us worry that we aren't direct enough. In the example with the milk, we worry that if we aren't direct we will be made to get the milk ourselves.
-We are very pragmatic and just don't care about what everyone else thinks is "the proper thing". The ISFJ subconscious makes us more dutiful, but in a pragmatic manner.
So yeah, using that I've ranked starter types by their want to be in-charge:
1. ENTP
2. ESFP
3. ESFJ
4. ENFP
Oh, and how about every other interaction style?
*Structure*
1. ENTJ
2. ESTP
3. ESTJ
4. ENFJ
*Finisher*
1. INTJ
2. ISTP
3. INFJ
4. ISTJ
*Background*
1. INTP
2. ISFP
3. INFP
4. ISFJ
Notice how it's NT>SP>SJ>NF for extraverts and NT>SP>NF>SJ for introverts
*Now I'm gonna waste even more of my life ranking all types by their will to be in-charge because it's fun*
1. ENTJ
2. ESTP
3. ESTJ
4. ENFJ, ENTP
6. ESFP, INTJ
8. ESFJ
9. ENFP
10. ISTP, INTP
12. INFJ
13. ISTJ
14. ISFP
15. INFP
16. ISFJ
I made this up as fast as I can, there may be some issues.
P.S. ffs I just wasted almost an hour writing and editing this
St3llarMemer this is dope
. R.I.P.
Meyers Briggs Type Indicator.
January 31, 2019
@Asher Foskey You mean "Myers Briggs," right?!
Yeah, see that ;)
How about just consider MBTI to be a 4-letter code that is only the tip of the iceberg called Depth Psychology or Jungian Annalytical Psychology? We need to spread awareness of the need for careful assessment, that we shouldn't assess type from the 4-letter dichotomies. And spread awareness that we should take with a grain of salt most personality type assessments available in the internet. Yes, there's the problem of who is supposed to be considered qualified to make such assessment, and restriction would make the "specialists" seem to be making assessments for money, rather than science. Controversies... we won't get rid of them any soon.
@@synergyzer07 I can accept that. 😁
I get the point of many of the points that are mentioned, but the three last letters are never referencing gut feeling, or feelings, or perception, or judgement. Everyone who looks deeper into the MBTI system, will know that the J and P dichotomy is about how the person organizes their life. Are they perceiving, meaning, they prefer “go with the flow”, not sticking to or making any set plan. Or are they judging, meaning they usually prefer to make a plan things ahead of time.
Thinking and feeling refers to their decision making style. Are they thinking, meaning they prefer to make decisions based on an impersonal process, or are they feeling, meaning they prefer to make decisions based on a personal process.
Intuition and sensing is about how the person gathers information. Are they sensing, meaning they prefer to pay attention to the physical details. Or are they intuition, meaning they prefer to pay attention to the metaphysical aspect of things.
Your right that people usually don’t look deep enough into it, and think exactly what you said about it. Heck, somebody got intuition and sensing almost completely wrong wrong, and said sensing types are about the specifics, whereas intuitives are about the general idea.
But other that, I agree. The MBTI should just be ignored. At least until someone is able to somehow improve it so it’s more closely related to the functions.
Still making my way through your videos! Thanks for providing a good order to watch!
My issue with those tests now too is that I've taken so many, I know exactly how to answer any question to get the result I want, whether it's my type or not. It's hard to just take the test unbiased. I took your test the for the first time a few days ago and it was awesome because I had no way to rig it, and I still came out ENFP, so I feel confirmed!
PS one of my FAVE videos you've done so far - an awesome summary, full of snark and silly, my favorite things.
Im not joking ive been looking for this. You rock!
29:30 havent been mistyped as an enfj on the mbti test YET, but that felt too accurate
ive been typed as an INTJ, INFP, and INFJ by the mbti test
Love the impromptu accent bro
Cayman T working on it
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels living as the wrong type (and subsequently figuring it out) is fairly disorienting.
Excellent, just Excellent!
I don't really understand the rebuilding etc. If I suddenly realised I was a different type I'd just be like meh, still the same person, different letters. Not resonating.
INFJ friend also pointed out the strong 💪 💪possibility that I was an ISTP, not the original test result (ISTJ), or results thereafter (INTP, ENTJ). And, it was like a light came on! Wish you could talk more abt how to overcome Se forgetting, i.e. utilizing that as a strength vs. weakness. Cause the weak side of that super-sucks!!
Don't lose too much weight BC you look great already! My Hogwarts house is Gryffindor and my patronus is a lynx.
30:00 OUTRAGOUS Accent( totally not quoting Monty Phyton and the Holy Grail)
Just love the fake french accent
Communicated a percept is just that, however combined with other functions it is a judging process.
INTP here .LMAO cause I literally told my ENTP English tutor once that I have very good processor but my RAM is pretty low .I didn't even know about psychoanalysis then .
is the guy in the drawing behind you actually you and fan draw for you or is he that villain I don’t remember what his name exactly 😅
edit: My first time to finish the whole lecture without closing it (even though I’ve lost attention here and there) I’m shocked of myself 😂
Good video. You still have more markers than Eric
Eric thor?
GOOD VIDEO
I agreed with a lot of what you said
Learned new things
Etc etc, good job👍🏼
How do I know if I'm stuck in my shadow or any other side of my mind besides the ego?
are you afraid or worried?
So if someone is afraid of life in general they are in a different part of their mind? I find that kind of tough to determine. Lol I typed myself as an isfj whose vice and virtue is faith vs fear so I don't even know if I'm not in my ego or if I'm just a worried isfj. Or do you mean afraid of showing my true personality?
I got INTP when I am an INTJ
Isabel Briggs Myers said that the second function (extroverted) is what introverts look like in the world, which is why the J/P functions are backward. She also said that the second function is who we actually are.
I can see the first one being accurate, but as an introvert, I can say for certain that the second one is nuts.
How accurate is her first statement?
MBTI had consistently typed me as an ENFP. I was lucky enough to hang out with Chase and he said “you’re definitely not ENFP.” He typed me as an ESTJ *mind blown* ...
Yeah, I’ll trust actual human interaction with the worlds foremost expert. Thank you, next.
Everyone seems to switch the child and hero function. Why do you feel you were typed as an Enfp?
Raf Maes I would imagine because I have strong Ne and Fi. Due to my subconscious being so developed. Not sure tho tbh.
@@AlphaHotelZeroOneEight there's no ti in Estj tho, right?
Ti nemesis
@@bafbaas1210 There's no Ti in ENFP either. In fact, both types share the same four cognitive functions.
16:38 xSTPs are sensitive to certain acts of affection? Further explanation, please? 🙏
If this related to love, then I always think some of my school friends(NOT opposite gender) having affection towards me and that's quite creepy... You know it from how they speak, look at you, give exclusive treatments to you, odd physical touches, ect.
see patreon private lectures
What are some good gifts ideas for an INTP women for Valentine's Day?
fun video games, gadgets, software. Anyhting that can lift burdens. Massages.
Thanks!!!
Which types struggle with loneliness the most?
INFJs, since they doorslam people.
Or former friends of INFJs.
Or extraverts in general, since it gets to them much quicker.
No really, no idea 😅
Why can't being efficient and systematic (Te) coexist with being polite and people-liking (Fe)? Why can't being analytical (Ti) coexist with being good at details (Si)? Both are possible and not uncommon in real life, yet type dynamics seems to ignore it with the false dichotomies.
yes, watch season 5 playlist, I explain all this
33:30 thanks for appreciating the cynism ^_^
Oh wow my pants are falling off...
Appreciate if u collaborate with other typology channels. U need dialogue with many. Also it would be beneficial and a good learning experience to see others viewpoints.... It would be dope for ya channel as well
the one's I am interested in collaborating with are not interested.
@@CSJoseph try talking with famous people. I really would like a collaborative episode between u guys. 😄
Have you gone vegan? ;)
hashtag you should think highly of me BRO
Is that a caricature of you( I mean that joker) ?
yes
Someone said that the 7th function is used as the "humor function". Is this true or not..?
Bright Waves of Darkness not true
@@CSJoseph ok, thanks. The person seemed really sure about it, so I just had to verify it with someone I trust :' ) I love that you're active in the comment section ad well. It's very useful for all of us.
Bright Waves of Darkness all good :)
Somewhat disagree on that. From my observation trickster "jokes" can appear in several situations but as an ego defence which happens (I believe) in the child function inflation accompanying Critic projection. Technically it sounds like joke but it's like "what the heck?"
Edit: I forgot to tell its some form of that tricksterish double bind
I just saved a bunch of money and time by switching to CSJoseph dot life.
555 666 I’ve got a job. I think you were so busy angry-typing that you have a tendency to forget words entirely or you’re just stupid. Or dyslexic, in which case Slipknot is chill, what’s it like to be a heretic?
So Chase you keep saying people will be able to type people within 30seconds. I'd love this but don't see how that is possible? And don't you spend at least 30mins on your typing sessions to do it yourself?
watch some of the newer ones, I am not here to show off, I am here to teach.
@@CSJoseph not saying you are bragging, it's an honest question (ISTP - take everything I say literally ;)) so I watched a lot of your typing sessions incl the latest live Aussie one and it didn't work in 30secs. Just saying. Is there a trick? Or a difference if you meet people in real life rather than use tapes.
But who's gonna help and coach you buddy? Your moods are all over the place man
welcome to Fi trickster
5:00 what’s wrong with you, homie?
Good video. Liked the realization that IPs lead with judging compared to IJs, and all the other ones. That means types themselves are all incorrect then since Jung didn’t create the types! Isabel Myers, Katherine Briggs, and their test created the types.
Still waiting for a video where C.S Joseph actually displays extroverted intuition...
in what capacity?
I can't stand the "Talking with Famous People" channel. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and watched several videos. The presentation is just awful. The content is worse and I heard all kinds of things that were clearly just flat out wrong.
To be fair, it's really just their word against each-others' with a heavy amount of anecdotal evidence thrown into the mix - This stuff has very little scientific underpinning so it's a subjectivist's paradise.
I disagree. I was already starting to figure out the ESFP subconscious for my INTJ ego before i even found this channel. I was explaining to my friend that for some reason I have always gravitated towards this type and become friends with them. The INTJ + ESFP team up is shown in movies quite often. Why? Cause they are 2 parts of the mind and I saw in them a little of myself and vice versa.
When I discovered CS Joseph, this pretty much solidified things I had already perceived and explained it. No other channel has come as close to this one for explaining why we do the things we do in relation to cognitive functions. @@ZahnZee
@@SpectreTheHorseman Like I said, it's a a subjectivist's paradise with a large helping of anecdotal evidence :P
@@SpectreTheHorseman No, ESFP and INTJ work good together because of there function stacks. They work good together because an ESFPs conscious function order goes Se-Fi-Te-Ni and INTJs function order goes Ni-Te-Fi-Se, which means that they are a duality relationship according socionics, which means that they go well together as friends/partners because they are seeking the dominant function of the other type and the other type can provide it. ESFPs provides Se and INTJs provides Ni. This is consistent with TFWPs idea of how functions work (look into his book), but it is not consistent with CSJs idea of compatibility since he says in his video titled "What types are socially compatable with INTJs" that ESFPs are the 4th worst pairing with INTJs when it comes to Friendships. Because he thinks that we are seeking the opposite (In terms of E/I) of our functions, which would mean that ENTP is the best match (when it comes to friendships) for an INTJ, and an ESFP would be a horrible match
So to resume what you said is right ESFP+INTJ makes a good friendship, but this is only consistent with Erics system not with CSJs system.
Or as Dj Khaled would put it : Congratulations you played yourself
@@SpectreTheHorseman Also you gave no reason to why two people should be compatible because there function orders are different sides of the mind of each other ?
Chase, are you saying that the MBTI is...just a test? lol. Thanks for this; I know so many people who are SUPER initiating and go around talking about how they're introverts b/c an online test or tests told them so. Sigh...
29:54 that accent tho
we're at C.S.Josef Stalin now comrade lol
I'd say he's feelin more comfortable trying to inform and entertain at the same time. I'm likin it. Especially as an ENFP with a shorter than average attention span : p
Edwin Ortiz LoL dope
Debate TWFP. You want to be the leading source of typology and teach? Go prove him wrong
TWFP is full of shit 1/2 the time...hes good at debating tactics. If TWFP wanted to he could run CSJs multiple typing videos and show why hes wrong in real time. I suspect theres a reason he doesnt do this
William Rajbar low preference for Se is the reason(problem). TWFP and CS are both severely flawed in their approaches. The former presupposes cog functions as static and subject to positioning (disregards family dynamics and cog function development overtime) ...The latter renders his entire system useless and subjective when considering the “four sides” theory. (No truth can be discovered due to instability of the system to begin with) ...point being, Chase relies on a “utilitarian” excuse to prove how system is best. “Because it works” (which is weak and doesn’t prove it is accurate) ...Eric has false presuppositions about cognitive functions that render his system to rigid to be accurate. Both are erroneous systems. And neither of them show good understand of what the “complete type” MBTI assessment truly does. (Not a test, an assessment.) They both suffer from high levels of narcissism, which gives the best explanation for their persistent ignorance.
@@berlg.3382 Those are some pretty cruel things to say to both these guys. Nobody likes being accused of being narcissistic. I'm not as familiar with TWFP, but I know Chase works hard, and these TH-cam videos don't pay as well as they should. I've seen several times where Chase has admitted he has been wrong. I appreciate his humility. He's also been very respectful in his responses to other content creators. What evidence of narcissism can you point out? If you are speaking the truth, are you saying it in such a way that it will be best received? Please post a video and join the discussion if you think you can do a lot better.
SUDDENLY accent out of no where lol
so dohp
MBTI be like: You're more concerned about proving your point in a discussion than you're concerned about people's feelings? You're a THINKER!
Meanwhile my Te trying to get others to believe what I do so my Fi can feel good about myself. Yeah no. ENFP btw.
I was always under the impression that the P/J shows which one of your top two functions is extroverted. For example, INFJ. The J shows that their judging function is extroverted (Fe).
The I/E shows which orientation you prefer as your first function. So since INFJ prefers Introversion but their Extroverted function is F, that would mean Ni is their preferred first function followed by Fe. This works for each of the 16 types
I don't think normal tests understand how that's set up x.x
Tyarra Ybarrola well said
So, MBTI is misused all the time. There are also a lot of bad tests out there, but the system quite useful if you know how to use it.
P = The primary extroverted attitude of the individual (Dom or Aux) is a perception function
J = The primary extroverted attitude of the individual is a judging function
The letters help us pivot on typology to find comparisons (see "temperaments" etc.). EJs share interesting characteristics NPs share interesting characteristics and so on
100%.
The only people who trash the mbti system either: 1. Don't understand it. 2. Are looking for a "do it for me" "quick fix." 3. Are just trashing mbti as a distraction to build & promote *their* system(s) on top of it. 4. All of the above.
The Truth is simple:
You don't have the 4 letters without the Cognitive Functions.
Understanding that requires work. Just because people don't put in the work, that doesn't mean mbti is flawed. It's the people.
Why do I all of a sudden feel like I'm defending a religious &/or political construct or something 😂
I eagerly await your fictional character typing Q & A! You typed Goku as ESFJ??
Well I guess I can see that through his good hearted nature and his lack of Ti. His ISFP unconscious is channelled through anger In the guise of super sayian. What about Vageta?? Piccolo(my favourite character)?
In my mbti knowledge evolution I hadn’t yet stopped to think or analyze how poor the letter system was, but I did notice how it reminded me of a 4 digit binary number system. With 4 binary digits, you can represent 16 unique numbers. So E=0 and I=1 in first digit, n=0, s=1 in second digit and so on. I don’t have a grid system like you, but instead just run a lot of data through my head when typing someone. I must say, I can’t always do it fast like you claim is possible with your system. But then again, sometimes I do just know almost instantly.
Sometimes for some reason, a name from the past will randomly pop in my head and I will know their type retrospectively, and instantly. Mind blowing.
20:38 I relate so much to the J and P part. A few months ago I took the MBTI test, it told me I was an ISFJ. I read the ISFJ descriptions feeling like: "this is stupid, I never do my chores, my homework, those things are boring, I'd rather practice the piano or build legos instead". Then I decided to do more research and somehow stumbled upon your videos, got introduced to the cognitive functions, interaction styles and finally typed myself as an ISFP.
Edit: I came back to take the MBTI test again and still got ISFJ lol.
If you're a real ISFP in the ie and ei stacking, then you lead with a Judging function (Fi) and have inferior Te, which makes you test J, practicaltyping says. You're more plan oriented than ISTP, because they lack conscious Te (it's not in their top 4). I think I'm SiFi, which is ii/ee ISFP.
I thought MBTI was dumb for many years. I discovered cognitive functions and was like “oh now this I can use”.
I got mistaken as enfp once due to stereotyping but in reality I'm an ISFP. Because I actually speak does not mean E type ugh lol. It's hard to get the right results. It was revealed to me that I was ISFP and i was like I'm a sensor when the fuck did that happen. So I had to re learn shit too. But yes I used to test as a J type because I do lead with Fi a J function but I use Extroverted perceiving so I'm a P. But I'm not a very spontaneous person I do like plans and knowing what I'm getting into. So I get it. Also on S vs N. ISFPs often think they are intuitives because the s and N are close.
I first tested as ENTP and when I read it I was not impressed nor could I relate that much but to only some of it. Tested again and got INTP and it seemed right on almost everything (except for being robotic). Although I state I’m INTP with confidence I still have my doubts and as this whole type thing has been my latest obsession (cos I’m weird like that) I’m starting to learn more about the interaction styles and temperaments.
It still seems to point to INTP but I’m still struggling to be sure about that as I just can’t identify if I’m pragmatic or affiliative. So I asked my boss what I’m like in these situations who better to ask? Lol
I still can’t decide... just means more reading I guess
Haha 😆 I like this video... especially the accent transitions!
What kind of new diet are you trying?
Anorexia xD
Lynda Nemri wow...
@@CSJoseph xD
I understand your point that the dichotomies and the functions are different. If the letters don't represent well your model, why do you still use them in the type grid ? Especially SJ and SP temperaments. For me, it would make much more sense if the Te and Fe heroes belong to the "in-charge" interaction style category.
And the type grid would be something like this :
- In charge : Te and Fe heroes
- Starter : Se and Ne heroes
- Finisher : Si and Ni heroes
- Behind the scene : Ti and Fi heroes
Do you see my point ? Why would it be wrong if so ? I need some enlightenment here ;) Thanks !
On 16personalities I got mostly INTP, but also INFP and once an ISTP... but almost all cognitive function tests that I took said that my strongest function is Ti followed by Ni and Ne..
I just completed the Harry Potter series. Including the extra 8th , haha
Hi, CS. I’ve been trying to figure out what Patrick Batemans’s mbti personality type is. Most of online forums I’ve visited state he’s an INTJ. But he has some things that relate to ISTJ’s and also ENTJ’s. Where would you put him?
No idea
7:54 Or, the test mistakes judging for organized and stiff, perceiving for messy and spontaneous. All actual matter that this is testing is a likelyhood for sensors to prefer Si or Se. Actually, the case could be made too, how NJs are stiff and NPs are spontaneous, it does make some sense functionally. But the tests don't even ask the questions that way. It's like they're not even trying.
There is one test that I like, on key2cognition. It goes after all eight functions individually and lists the three most likely types according to the questions answered. Of course to be taken with a grain of salt, too. But if it has to be a test, that is the one I would recommend. It got my INTJ friend who would insist forever on being an ENTP, based on letters, finally typed correctly and convinced. And it definitely helped to settle my personal confusion with his judgement axis, as I did consider INFJ as a possibility.
In defense of the lettering: I like how xNTP or xSTJ talks about two types with the same functions each.
I like to explain it like this:
J = Pi + Je as the first two
P = Ji + Pe as the first two
E = Xe goes first
I = Xi goes first
So an NFJ will be strong Fe + strong Ni in some order. Makes it easier to talk about NFJs in general.
It could very well be done with less potential for confusion. Should we perhaps name it all after the source function and then change the last letter according to the hero? So ENFJ → ENTJ; ISFJ → ISTP; ENTP → ESTP; ISTP → INTJ; INFP → ISFJ? That's just an example. It could be because I'm used the MBTI terms that I see valuable logic within that lettering. Anyone got better ideas? I personally like the DaveSuperPowers system. They basically just call the types by their first two functions, so an INFP would be the "Fi/Ne". There's much more to it, as one goes further into that theory, but I think it's a good start.
32:38 Some people would call it a devilish promise...
33:26 Ha, I do! I definitely do so! 😀 I'm sure you know that. I like your stance! And I like you, Chase! :)
(I know multiple INxPs whose Si child genuinely enjoys being organized.)
Thank you.
i'm in RAVENclaw and my patronus is a RAVEN i mean how cool is that right (your vids always brilliant, i don't even bother to mention it anymore)
Function stack = dope! Before I met your teachings I doubted the validity of this personality typing, as I only knew the letter dichotomies and it didnt fully make sense. When explained as 8 different functions it seems fit like a law of nature. Thank you :)
Sounds like he just had an energy shot or something! Haha. Great video man.
“Painful transformative process” is an interesting point.
Realisation of your actual type meant you had to ‘transform’. I’m guessing, (with some personal experience to back this up), that you don’t mean the initial transformation was the changes in your physical life, (although I’m sure these came later), but more a transformation of your self and of your thinking. And yet you were an ENTP before and an ENTP after. So, what is it that actually changed? What is it that transformed that you then acted upon to go out and change the things in your life? Personality type stayed the same, but realisation changed.
I feel there is a clue here.
It’s as if the incoming data was previously mis-aligned and the firewall was blocking the input. Does belief, (the story we tell ourselves), overlay who we actually are? Can these beliefs that get in the way of our true selves be mistaken for being a part of our true personality, like a colour filter on over a lens? Tinting and obscuring from the point of view of the camera and for anyone looking at that camera’s pictures. But anyone clear minded enough to just look at the camera still sees a Cannon or a Nikon.
In a way, yes. The story we tell ourselves can impact how we'll act and possibly even think up to a point, It won't help much when it comes to needs or reactions though.
Yeh, coz the person is still basically that Cannon, Nikon or whatever, no matter how they’re viewing the world.
Would explain why we sometimes walk around thinking/feeling there’s something not quite right that we just can’t quite put our finger on.
(I wonder when my next epiphany’s coming and I get my next glimpse around this new colour filter!)
CS Joseph, when, or are you, going to come up with your own Jungian personality type test model so I can refer, and retest, many people to your test that addresses the issues of MBTI. I have been waiting for this for awhile and is my most requested thing. Also, you should come up with your own lettering system. Thanks -INTJ
soon
On reddit a guy was actually arguing that the stack functions aren't real somehow, but that the MBTI shorthand was the only thing he accepted because some random authority said so.
Benevolens Psittacorum
Had a female INTJ on Reddit argue that cognitive functions weren’t real and only types by letter alone. Claiming she gets along best with INTPs because they share 3 out of 4 letters. Durp 😆
Many have. It's because of the big five. They seem to be blind to the fact that functions are just combinations of letters lol
Reading this is actually making me feel physical pain.
@@timothyo718 probably was the same one, I don't remember their username but I blocked them after they wouldn't quit hounding me.
You're eating your own words buddy.
Was just contemplating superheroes bc I realized they have an alter "ego". Since there already is a super ego I'm assuming "alter" ego is another name for the unconscious. Now specifically typing Batman/Bruce Wayne. I would first assume that Batman is the ego and that Bruce is actually the alter ego. So the real authentic self is batman and he is INTP. Therefore, his alter ego Bruce is the millionaire playboy philanthropist, ENTJ
While i agree typing by letters is just stupid. I like the letter names because they do have a system behind them that helps me remember all the cognitive functions for all the types. The I/E tells you that your first function is intra/extraverted.
Then the J/P tells you that your first extroverted function is either your preferred perceiving or judging function, your other preferred function is introverted. The two middle letters tell you your preferred way to judge/perceive. Then you fill in the rest using cognitive axis(i have no idea what the plural of axis is).
the morrigan flys there is a reason I do not completely abandon the letters. Using them to type is my only bitch at this point
So I'm about to turn 26. I've also been miss-typed by the stupid tests when I was 16, and it also said INTJ. I later, through studying the cognitive functions, have come to the conclusion of INTP and now you're making me doubt this. *You can't do this to me, reee.*
im lovin your vids man. Cant say i understand it all (yet) but what im picking up on is that there is more than one way of thinking!! And i really liked what you said here about having more experience allows the "future predictor" to go further out in time. Reminds me a bit of Tad James timeline therapy, except that model was very linear. What you're describing seems more every way, anyway, all ways, how many cocktails can you mix? And drink. And find new ways. Also, a revelation i had last year; in regard to "meaning of life". I started playing with the idea that "thinking" was a synonym for meaning. I.e. "the search for meaning" becomes "the search for {new way} of thinking".
I've done the Pottermore thing again (ENTP), it sorted me in Ravenclaw again my Patronus changed though lol now its an eagle I can relate to both eagle and weasel.
I had three other ENTPs I personally know do it, one of them Slytherin and the other two Ravenclaw, that makes 3/4 in my small sample sized research.
You're kind of beating a dead horse on this one but I guess it's necessary for people who don't watch your other lectures or Q & A sessions.
Hybe yes you are correct
Could you do a video on good ISTP career choices? I haven’t found very good solutions to this. I’m currently an engineer and I’m bored out of my mind.
How many kinds of engineer are there? Find a better kind. More toward the action side.
Dustin Drake invent a cool snowboard or something. Basically create something and sell it.
C.S. Joseph
Something like that and the military are the only ideas I’ve got. At least engineering pays the bills for now.
Thanks for responding!
Have you ever gone snowboarding? I might be going this weekend 😎
Teaser episode
Just got sorted on Pottermore. I am indeed a Hufflepuff 😆my patronus is the Ibizan hound.
I lately have been a huge fan and ardent scholar of MBTI/ Jungian psychology until I recently read that Jung came up with his theories on type after consulting a "spirit guide" named Philemon he encountered in a dream in 1913. From my understanding that's why he isn't recognized in modern psychology. You're the subject matter expert here so can you please point me in any direction to find objective, empirical evidence of Jungian personality types and their existence. Like I said this stuff fascinates me but I'm not interested in committing to studying it any further unless I can find out for certain its even true.
I havent released the empirical evidence yet, otherwise look at dario naardi.
where can i mail art?
need to see it first :)
@@CSJoseph can i email a pic to you?
How to send art, I'll send a cross stitch in a frame :)
OMG thank god I found this video - it was so confusing before this!!
I want to be a Gryffindor but in reality I know I’m a total Hufflepuff
Typing people is pointless in general, I think personalities are extremely flexible and maleable
Aren't we technically using dichotomy though? Checking for concrete and abstract is just S/N? Also checking for initiating and responding is just E/I. How we do is just more specific.
Forgive me for calling you out on this, but I've heard you say in your lectures that J types need to plan stuff out. Tons of MBTI knockoffs ask questions like, "Are you a planner, or do you like to go with the flow?" There's nothing in the temperaments or communication styles that check for J/P, but by saying that J types are planners, I'm afraid that you may be agreeing that using J/P dichotomy to type people is, on some level, legitimate.
What are your thoughts?
J types does not mean they make plans, it means they use plans, although some of them can make plans.
Love the joker imitation of you on the left 👍
Speaking of Letter Dichotomies, I think it took me until my mid to late twenties to figure out that I was not the INFJ personality type and was indeed an INTJ. For one, I didn't like the stereotypical description of either personality type and two, the questions in many of those tests were, and still are situational. Also, they don't take culture in consideration.
I think the issue with some people's heavy reliance on the exam is the difficulty of grasping things outside of binary constructs. At least that is my experience when trying to explain to some people that introversion is not equal to shyness or being timid -- especially some extroverts that wear their extroversion on their sleeves.
Not related, I think people would probably be more appreciative of your description of Ne/Ni if you used the focal ability of lens as an example versus that of a gun given that wider angle lens have a high span, but low depth while other lens have more depth, but less peripheral area.
I understood the gun analogy, perfectly. One had a broad focus with a short range, while the other has a tight focus with a long range. If you know guns, the analogy is imperfect but more than close enough to be understood.
Repetition strengthens and confirms
Thank you for se chapter, uhum video.
6:53 lol!
Loving the artwork
Oh Indian accent? haha
Nice job misrepresenting TWFP (all the while being afraid to call him out directly) by implying Host Eric advocates for traditional MBTI, tests, or typing by letter dichotomies. Why don’t you two actually have a discussion/debate? It would do you a lot more good than making passive aggressive videos that are indirectly about (your straw man of) him.
Also your comment on him not having credibility because he has sloppy presentation and smokes weed isn’t very ENTP at all. Sounds more like an ENTJ evaluating people based on their (assumed) position of authority. Ti evaluates claims and doesn’t care about who the person is that presents them, as who made the claim doesn’t have anything to do with its truth value. I don’t see much Ne-Ti in this video, but I do see your inferior Fi lashing out.
If I only had a brain.
@C.S. Joseph if you are going to position yourself as an expert, you can’t ignore pushback from other members of the community, or try to trivialize them with ad hominem attacks.
You seem like you’re a good dude overall, and I appreciate the work you’ve contributed to the Jungian typology community. But being intellectually dishonest is a huge disservice to the community and will eventually tarnish your reputation.
Haha.
Can't wait for the mobile app!
I would like to be a beta tester of the app if that available.
become a patron
Okay I just started it and you ambient disdain😂❤️
And no joke I said this before 49 seconds in.
Ti>Te
Is the four sides of the mind concept you speak of barrowed from the four faced churibim mentioned in th bible???(the book of Daniel and the book of Revelations
no but that's a good point
Thanks for the reply. My understanding of physiology(and all sciences for that matter) is the belief that science and religion/spirituality are one and the same. Religion is just the metaphorical understanding of science while science is the empirical exploration of religion both chasing each others tails in the frivolous attempt to find human origan
Typo psychology
Great lecture! Enjoying this journey. I think the whole letter system just can't be accurate. Changing an INTJ to an INFJ, because INTJ's are Fi, doesn't fix anything, cuz how are they an "F" when they're like, triple pragmatic? Don't make sense... Or an INFP to an ISFP, because INFP's are Si, doesn't either make sense, cuz, we have like, SE TRICKSTER. So yeah. Not a "sensor." I understand a code is easier than remembering lists of functions, but that's all it is and all it should stay. A code.
The P/J just tells you wether your first judging function is introverted or extroverted. All J types have Fe or Te as either their parent or hero function. Yes typing people using the letters doesn’t work because people don’t understand what they mean. The letters aren’t completely meaningless though because they can be used to derive the cognitive functions. For example, I means the first function is introverted. N means that one of the first two functions is intuitive. T means that one of the first two function is a thinking function and P means that the first judging function is introverted. So based on the letter dichotomies you can get that an INTP has Ti Hero and Ne parent. Then the rest of the functions can easily be filled in. Honestly I can see how the letters relate to the cognitive functions more than the interaction style and temperament characteristics. I’m not saying I disagree with the type grid system, I’m just don’t fully understand how it works in relation to the functions. I can see that initiating vs responding means a persons top function is extroverted or introverted. And I see how abstract vs concrete means a person has an intuitive or sensing function in one of the top two roles. But beyond that there doesn’t seem to be a consistent pattern or feature about the cognitive functions to give you the other characteristics: informative, movement, systematic, pragmatic, ... etc.
In psychology, the MBTI and the Keirsey Temperamental Test II are administered by a psychologist and not just any MBTI certified practitioner. If people wants to have an accurate perception of themselves including their MBTI types, they go to psychologists. The testing environment and other ceiling effects during the test administration are eliminated.
Imagine the world in few years going from "hey man, have you heard about the MBTI?" to " yo bruh, y'know who dat CS Joseph nigga is?"
Your literally describing Ne as Ni.. I think your an Ni tool user. That does not sound like Ne at all.
No I am not. The world is not flat. I just happen to be the only guy who is correct. Everyone else is wrong.
@@CSJoseph muah, perfect example of Ne projection mirroring. I really don't know how you guys can do that, but it appear as some natural talent. ENFP's do the same thing.
I tested INTP in both my hs and collage interpersonal communication classes in the 80's and they were clearly right, but I've taken the internet test 3 times and it always makes me an INFP. I don't know how strong Ti can turn to weak Te and weak Fe turns to strong Fi. The online test also asks what I do in daily life vs what I would do if my behavior wasn't based on needs of life. (FYI, I love how there is always another level of knowledge that I can learn from you. I listen to many other channels and I get so much more from you that might have gone over my head by hearing it from another angle, but consider you far and away my go to expert. The insight I get from you also helps me look brilliant to my ISFP gf. Big props.)
CSJoseph.life/discover if you want a good test.