the Keys to Winning Pistol Rounds

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  • @vooCSGO
    @vooCSGO  ปีที่แล้ว +304

    invite.blitz.gg/vooCSGO
    it doesn't look like it, but i've been working on this video for literally like a month and a half. idk why, but it was just insanely hard to make. pistol rounds are complicated i guess.
    next video will release in less than 3 months i promise.

    • @anthonytom-duyquang3558
      @anthonytom-duyquang3558 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      No wonder it takes so long. Still though, it's good to see your presence again.

    • @RedBCPride82
      @RedBCPride82 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Your vid already stands out bc I think it's clear you want to explain into that topic and how important Pistol round is. I like that you discussed many different perspectives connected to PRs, from strats to data comparisons, examples, suggestions (and that it's all segmented). The significance of Pistol rounds can't really be understated

    • @Leninleban65
      @Leninleban65 ปีที่แล้ว

      good to see you

    • @CS_Sardine
      @CS_Sardine ปีที่แล้ว

      Just ask an AI to do it for you. Also, ask it how it is to be outside, I also want to know this! I heard there is grass and people off the opposite sex.. can't be true, can it?😮

    • @DjAmaratziOfficial
      @DjAmaratziOfficial ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Blitz vs Leetify, which is the better and why?

  • @wraethcs2
    @wraethcs2 ปีที่แล้ว +371

    Agree on the dualies being meta. For CT's, you can now have the standard one tap long range USP, and the perfect compliment in the short range spray and pray dualies. I remember you preaching the dualies being good for a long time now!

    • @runek100
      @runek100 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah you van see it in pro meta, there is almost always one or two dualis on ct

  • @ItsNevet
    @ItsNevet ปีที่แล้ว +1238

    Another really, really subtle thing: Dualies are the only pistol, aside from the USP-S, that DONT HAVE ANY TRACERS. This makes them an extremely effective spamming tool, especially through smokes.
    Edit: No longer works in CS2, proven in Voo's first CS2 mythbusting video :)

    • @hkiajtaqks5253
      @hkiajtaqks5253 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      woooh I didn't realize this

    • @davidmoisa8359
      @davidmoisa8359 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Whats a tracer (im new to CSGO)

    • @jobelplayedminecraft3700
      @jobelplayedminecraft3700 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      css dual elites were the best weapon in the game

    • @nightfire_CSGO
      @nightfire_CSGO ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidmoisa8359tracers are bullets that leave a trail you can see, in csgo these are the light trails you see when someone is spamming a smoke for example, you can follow the bullet trail and know where to shoot back.
      Silenced weapons, and the dualies, do not have tracers so you can safely spam a smoke without the enemies knowing exactly where you are on the other side

    • @Goldengrubate
      @Goldengrubate ปีที่แล้ว +111

      @@davidmoisa8359 tracers are the streaks of light that show the trajectory of the bullet. Most guns in cs have them, except for the suppressed ct weapons, and some weird exceptions

  • @Flaimbot
    @Flaimbot ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Zywoo is basically using his strafe like controller users are (mouse/right stick for large area coverage, wasd/left stick for tiny distances). Minor aim adjustments horizontally. It works really well when trained to do so.

    • @rawbmar1166
      @rawbmar1166 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep this is how I learned to play Halo back in the day and it set me up well for CS later on.

    • @hoovyzepoot
      @hoovyzepoot ปีที่แล้ว

      It's an amazing strategy that unfortunately I don't see on PCs other than on TF2

  • @mckwin23
    @mckwin23 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    The production quality, the clarity of topic points, and the slight humor is pretty well made in your videos! You deserve more subs!

  • @Ripheart789
    @Ripheart789 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    I was kinda hoping you'd show G2's CT pistol round against Heroic at IEM Dallas, where Niko is solo holding B with like a nade and a smoke, and he just lets them into the site, kills Cadien as he jumps through the smoke, smokes off church, baits another player to come through the smoke, kill him, and then its a 5v3 retake on Bombsite B.

    • @saladgreens912
      @saladgreens912 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I feel like that is more of a specific play rather than a general strat that will help you improve.

    • @EntropyKC
      @EntropyKC ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Giving a free bomb plant guarantees a good round 2 buy though

  • @sammya7117
    @sammya7117 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    One of my players getting their tweet featured in this video talking about how they don't buy in pistol rounds, when I have spent approximately 600 hours explaining to him why he needs to FUCKING BUY ARMOUR, really grinds my face

  • @jusvim_
    @jusvim_ ปีที่แล้ว +268

    obviously the reason G2 is winning on pistol rounds isn't their strats, it's because monesy is using a USP no S. It's louder so it does more damage, but no-one else has realized it yet. Monesy is really ahead of his time

    • @anghoangpham512
      @anghoangpham512 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I thought usp no s gonna make your bullet speed faster, i never seen a evidence about remove your silence is increase your damage

    • @igelkotte
      @igelkotte ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a joke. USP without silencer has higher recoil, lower accuracy and louder noise. It's just a worse p2000 at that point@@anghoangpham512

    • @g6ixcs
      @g6ixcs ปีที่แล้ว

      it doesn't make the bullet speed faster, and hes joking about it doing more damage. monesy just does it for the meme@@anghoangpham512

    • @fromaguez
      @fromaguez ปีที่แล้ว

      it's a joke@@anghoangpham512

    • @iffailedinglesh8741
      @iffailedinglesh8741 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      Ah yes the less ammo p2000 strat

  • @VILLAINx66
    @VILLAINx66 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The thing I hate the most about not buying armor in pistol rounds is the aim punch. I find myself constantly getting in situations where I miss what would be a headshot just because the enemy shot me first in the stomach.

  • @magnus4945
    @magnus4945 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    video audio: buy armor on pistol round!
    video clips: 9 minutes of armor being virtually useless over and over

  • @bigpepsi1560
    @bigpepsi1560 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The key on pistole rounds is just do not try be a hero and go alone, giving some position to the enemy is better than facing 5 ts running to u.

  • @44r0n-9
    @44r0n-9 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Interestingly, ZywOo has apparently mostly stopped using the Dualies. Watching the pro games it feels like they are starting to figure out how to most effectively counter Dualies. And as soon as they're only marginally better than USPs - they become a liability as you have another player with a smoke or two flashes instead of armor because of it.
    Very interesting to see this meta development.

    • @mav9987
      @mav9987 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      i think regardless, having one ct have dualies on a b-hold where a majority of b-sites are close quarters oriented is gonna be a demand, and gonna keep dualies as a factor for first round buys

  • @rajivrathod132
    @rajivrathod132 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    He is back baby!!!

  • @Mismatch-
    @Mismatch- ปีที่แล้ว +262

    So you're saying I just have to have Zywoo or Niko on my team... thanks for the tip.

    • @vooCSGO
      @vooCSGO  ปีที่แล้ว +41

      funnily enough, the top 5 teams on pistols (sorting by top 20, 2023) rn are
      1. forze 62%
      2. g2 60%
      3. BIG 57%
      4. Astralis 55%
      5. NIP 53%

    • @AstroSully
      @AstroSully ปีที่แล้ว

      So Jerry it is@@vooCSGO

    • @Neroh01
      @Neroh01 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The underlying message is that whoever is the best entry fragger on your team should do it and your whole team should work around that one player, he is your best elements and you should play around him to support his entries

  • @Aelexu93
    @Aelexu93 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just realized I've used strafe walking as an aim assisting tool since forever. Only for small flaws that I make if I flick too much to one side. And obviously works best for distant enemies.

  • @terriblegamers2213
    @terriblegamers2213 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Played a game with voo on my team a couple weeks ago. Happy to see he's back making videos.❤

  • @steverobot
    @steverobot ปีที่แล้ว +31

    This release was more anticipated than CS2

  • @FinnyLikesBB
    @FinnyLikesBB ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I appreciate the time you spend on these videos and there are enjoyable and high quality. First time to catch a video this soon. ❤

  • @sitaro1207
    @sitaro1207 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Zywoo is an AD movement genius and I've literally seen all his POVs that have been uploaded on YT

  • @klevmeister1g
    @klevmeister1g ปีที่แล้ว +6

    looking forwards to next year's upload

  • @Deathlex17
    @Deathlex17 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    actually i would expect Buzz on that list because i hardly remember a map where he hasn't 3 kills on pistol round

  • @mckenzi4608
    @mckenzi4608 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How to win pistol?
    'Aim better, shoot slower, aim for headshot, don't ever spam with USPS, only spam in short range for glock'

  • @hawianpunch28
    @hawianpunch28 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dont buy a kit one pistol round may be good for Pro teams who can retake a site efficiently and with speed. But in a PUG in general, youre just not going to retake like a pro team. PUG and lower level team play, i'd say buy at least 1. Kits win rounds. Hard to tell people to do what the Pros do when they arent on a pro team. That's like telling your wide receivers to just catch the ball with one hand because Randy Moss does it.

  • @DEUSVULT822
    @DEUSVULT822 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always good to see TH-camrs doing serious analyitics on Proffesional scene .
    very useful

  • @NormStorm
    @NormStorm ปีที่แล้ว +4

    recently i've also noticed that G2 would sometimes have 1 person drop 2 sets of dualies for people that bought armor, and then a flashbang

  • @Paultato
    @Paultato ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Voo please never stop brother your vids are so entertaining yet super insightful

  • @Veptis
    @Veptis 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    my T side pistol strats for Pugs and soloqueue: run as a group, never stop moving, don't reload. just keep shooting.
    and on mirage - don't go connector or short with zero smokes ffs

  • @RobinYikes
    @RobinYikes ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just started playing CS so a lot of this went over my head, but this is still a very well produced video! Cheers

  • @strikefreedomgundam6446
    @strikefreedomgundam6446 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    best pistol for ct in pistol round is glock that ct pick from ground
    really high win rate if that happen

  • @vhperches
    @vhperches ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So should I buy armor or Dualies?
    What's best for CT and what's best for T?

  • @raketnight
    @raketnight ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "If you win both pistols you have a 70% chance of winning the game." Something is a bit off about this statement. The better team will more likely win both pistol rounds anyway.

  • @xboxlasagne
    @xboxlasagne ปีที่แล้ว

    sending this to all my friends thank you mr voo

  • @smiths8387
    @smiths8387 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember seangares having a video about pistols, saying that 5 players on armor isn’t worth it in pro-play because 70+% of kills were headshots.

    • @EntropyKC
      @EntropyKC ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The reason headshot kill % is so high in pistol rounds is that if you don't shoot them in the head, you can't kill them due to armour. So you either headshot them or die, hence headshot % is high. That doesn't mean armour is useless, because those people will just eat aim punch and die in a few chest shots.

  • @vaimast2825
    @vaimast2825 ปีที่แล้ว

    I notice that people gaf about the pistol round. For me its like a ritual to win that round, if you win pistol round you probably win the second and if you win the second you probably win the third

  • @ftfrashid7681
    @ftfrashid7681 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where do you draw the line from “probing for info” but not over pushing? Is it just patience/timing? Or is there a secret sauce

  • @RaimaNd
    @RaimaNd ปีที่แล้ว +2

    8:01quick maffs

  • @stephenmaher4690
    @stephenmaher4690 ปีที่แล้ว

    What an excellent video, first great strategic explanation for elements of this game that I have seen in a long time.

  • @InsignificantNobody
    @InsignificantNobody ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always buy on pistol rounds.
    I always buy a r8

  • @larsfreiheit8185
    @larsfreiheit8185 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:04 all 10 Players regular Cheaters. U can found them every day grinding on casual games.

    • @Fallux_55
      @Fallux_55 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol nobody got ur joke thats unfortunate😂

  • @solrave123
    @solrave123 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:55
    i can literally feel this clip stabbing into my soul

  • @Josefuumii
    @Josefuumii ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now, you've said that word "implication" a couple times, what implication?

  • @PeaceMG
    @PeaceMG ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Omg Zywoo using that controller player aim technique of "right stick hard, lemme just use my movement to aim for me" like a G

    • @gwentarinokripperinolkjdsf683
      @gwentarinokripperinolkjdsf683 ปีที่แล้ว

      I used to play a really crappy fps that when zoomed in you would get awful pixel jumping of 5+ pixels when trying to aim, so maybe I should go back to aiming with movement

  • @BananaStefcio7
    @BananaStefcio7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sorry but im playing in gold, and I always buy defuser on pistol cause 90% of the time the round boils down to the plant retake after my B site players decided to both push and gift Ts the site

  • @yo4156
    @yo4156 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    it feels like you've made this exact video like 3 times. Anyways happy to see you come back and hope to see your videos regularly

  • @x4v
    @x4v ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome vid voo, so many things in here I didn't know

  • @filbertshi5932
    @filbertshi5932 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos have really improved in quality!

  • @dubmeisterxd2133
    @dubmeisterxd2133 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I ALWAYS buy a kit. it has come in clutch way too often to justify not having it, especially on pistol rounds.

  • @supaygato
    @supaygato ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've played in nova for a long time, which I believe is below lv4 and i've never seen the whole not buying in pistol rounds. Guess i'm lucky

  • @SFGloury
    @SFGloury ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, please make a video on different strats for pistol round on de_giran!

  • @AthosRac
    @AthosRac 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If all teams do have 50% win rate, none of then knows how to play pistol round.

  • @ultraboost9400
    @ultraboost9400 ปีที่แล้ว

    highest quality voodio yet

  • @ashannihilator8315
    @ashannihilator8315 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Before watching.
    My buy for t side is
    Armor and teamate drops me dualies
    Or
    Dualies nade and flash
    CT Side its usually Nade and Smoke

  • @HaidaWay
    @HaidaWay ปีที่แล้ว

    I always go all out with duelies, a flash and HE. HE is thrown early (im usually against this) in hoped that i deal a bit of damage to a few players. Spray and pray with duelies and the flash is just in case for 1v1s and i want to make a guy look away for half a sec

  • @yochintohere
    @yochintohere ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing Analysis

  • @ian7136
    @ian7136 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’ve tried using my movement like that zywoo kill but it’s super weird. Idk when to do it and when not to, and it’s far from comfortable

    • @lumastoca
      @lumastoca ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Train that at the warmups before each map. If you're on MM this is easier to do. Tip, you always spawn with the perfect height for a headshot. So you'll need to strafe or correct it horizontally perfect (without too much strength on the mouse to keep that height) and you'll start feeling it.

  • @ObieCS2
    @ObieCS2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Welcome back Voo!

  • @JaCKal_646f67
    @JaCKal_646f67 ปีที่แล้ว

    always works for me in silver and gold nova, im the guy who buys flash in T pistol rounds and HE on CT

  • @tolkienfan1972
    @tolkienfan1972 ปีที่แล้ว

    Call out to Austin! Nice video, Voo. I learned something

  • @onefoxyguy3098
    @onefoxyguy3098 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Don't not buy on pistol round", but I get so many triple and quad kills with my P2000 tho

  • @sneeze96
    @sneeze96 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Armor on pistol is a necessity" -- "dualies on pistol is OP and they can't stop you" WHICH ONE DO I BUY CMON GIVE ME SCENARIOS BRUDDDDA

    • @EntropyKC
      @EntropyKC ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You buy armour, a friend drops you Berettas

    • @sneeze96
      @sneeze96 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EntropyKC lol I hope this is a joke

    • @Shitockiful
      @Shitockiful ปีที่แล้ว

      Just shoot them in the head? Idk lol

  • @HavokR505
    @HavokR505 ปีที่แล้ว

    using strafing as a means to aim on pistol is also a lazy way to improve you evasiveness when dualing so its less predictable and harder get 1tapped

  • @seanheisey8645
    @seanheisey8645 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Godamn people get legit af.. ive just been getting drunk and playing dust 2 for 2 decades....

  • @nonyabisness6306
    @nonyabisness6306 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    imo the most important buy is molotov.

  • @iamofflineyesreally
    @iamofflineyesreally ปีที่แล้ว

    I love watching these videos. Humans playing chess is interesting and informative. Computers playing chess is art.

  • @Lybrel
    @Lybrel ปีที่แล้ว

    Based off your upload frequency, Happy Thanksgiving!

  • @wayleygg
    @wayleygg ปีที่แล้ว

    YEAH A VOO VIDEO

  • @Legitti
    @Legitti ปีที่แล้ว +1

    CS2 is coming with mr12

  • @Heathcliff_1600
    @Heathcliff_1600 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Voo thanks for the video

  • @Beeblebr0x
    @Beeblebr0x ปีที่แล้ว

    He's back!

  • @Nalleteus
    @Nalleteus ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Isnt The second round win More important or If u win pistol and lose 2nd then u Will lose next 2 also to get some money again

  • @JerryMeng-xh3ih
    @JerryMeng-xh3ih ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ok the graph on 4:37 is extremely misleading, the base line is not 0 but 1.25 which makes the .35 difference seems like double or triple the performance.

    • @N00btr00per
      @N00btr00per ปีที่แล้ว

      the baseline should probs be 1 in this case.

    • @Sam-es2gf
      @Sam-es2gf ปีที่แล้ว

      ??? the baseline is 1.25 when it should be 1. It's not showing Zywoo against all pistols, it's showing Zywoo against the best pistols each year, which means he's even further ahead of everyone else this year than the graph suggests

  • @Leninleban65
    @Leninleban65 ปีที่แล้ว

    good comeback

  • @94ionut
    @94ionut ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i gotta ask now, i'm around silver elite gold nova 1, i don't mind the rank, i play on and off when i feel like it but... how do you deal with enemy teams that simply do not give a damn about your nades, molotovs and smokes at different parts of the games?
    i've had countless games where you'd think a smoke or molo would stop them but they would rather take the 40-50 hp loss on the molotov than stop before it, or they would come like a flock of indians through a smoke but they're not even lined up so you can spray them, they are just at different angles, not sure if due to luck or pre-planned to do that, and at best you kill 1 and get traded
    on the other side i face so many ct's playing like t's that i have no idea how to stop them or at least delay them, i tried on inferno to molotov banana, or smoke it or throw nades, they don't care there's just (for whatever reason) 3-4 ct's running at you through everything

    • @mediumplayer1
      @mediumplayer1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      4 months late, but better than never. Do not think of grenades as an ultimate solution that keeps enemies away. Until you are playing in a semi-professional match against the same people over and over again to the point you know how they act, it is pointless to assume. Very often your grenades won't stop your enemies because they don't care or won't do shit, because enemies aren't following the timings because they were afk on spawn. Grenades do help, but at a certain point you just have to start aiming better to progress, which is currently borderline impossivble, because CS2 doesn't know on how yo decide if you were standing or moving when you start shooting.

  • @BandaidYT
    @BandaidYT ปีที่แล้ว +2

    VOO! YOUR TIME IS NOW TO MAKE CONTENT. COUNTER STRIKE 2 is OUT IN 2 DAYS (thursday) according to the cryptic tweet by valve that said what are you doing next thursda

    • @B707takeflight
      @B707takeflight ปีที่แล้ว

      We need videos to their is no one making good tutorials yet

  • @ppatrickevans7974
    @ppatrickevans7974 ปีที่แล้ว

    We missed you

  • @blehbleh9283
    @blehbleh9283 ปีที่แล้ว

    Voo is back!!!!!!

  • @reasonrevived
    @reasonrevived ปีที่แล้ว

    So we should be stacking and buying not just armor?

  • @JackPatterson-s5l
    @JackPatterson-s5l ปีที่แล้ว

    This release was more anticipated than CS2. The amount we won a pistol because of a kit is insane.

  • @svenzerx8490
    @svenzerx8490 ปีที่แล้ว

    vooksgo is finally back

  • @henriksirkku
    @henriksirkku ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey good analytics and points, ez sub.

  • @gordonneverdies
    @gordonneverdies ปีที่แล้ว

    Vooooooooo!! Missed you bro!

  • @WomboBraker
    @WomboBraker ปีที่แล้ว

    another smart video, gj boo)

  • @Rudi4rius
    @Rudi4rius ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm rather new so this is very nice

  • @RealFactsForYou24
    @RealFactsForYou24 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow 275 Grats brotha

  • @9ran697
    @9ran697 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:39 Groovy

  • @gothluv4740
    @gothluv4740 ปีที่แล้ว

    The key to win on ct side: hold long range off-angle with usp and you win

  • @piosab
    @piosab ปีที่แล้ว

    Wake up babe new voo video

  • @sanojames9518
    @sanojames9518 ปีที่แล้ว

    zywoo proves electronic panics alot

  • @iwonamalanowska6485
    @iwonamalanowska6485 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    U say no defuse, yet show g2 retake with dfuse

  • @utkarshasthana3853
    @utkarshasthana3853 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In S1 everyone buys Deags in pistol rounds 😂

  • @hmmm2983
    @hmmm2983 ปีที่แล้ว

    Getting ready for cs2

  • @waterpkmn
    @waterpkmn ปีที่แล้ว

    ahh the strafing technique is a common aiming skill.
    It's called strafing/mirror strafing, an everyday occurrence in arena shooters like apex/overwatch.

  • @riguy221
    @riguy221 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoyed this!

  • @ga0tza
    @ga0tza ปีที่แล้ว

    i like to buy a nade to punish no armor/chunk down hp and upgrade my pistol to a p250 or dual beretta

  • @paradox_rl8399
    @paradox_rl8399 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don’t play much cs but using your movement to fix your aim and walking your crosshair without moving the mouse works a lot in val so I assume it’s the same for cs a lot of people need to get used to it. It’s gonna take getting used to but trust it’s good

    • @koszonet
      @koszonet ปีที่แล้ว

      AD aiming has been a thing since before 1.6 bro don't try to imply valorant players invented this shit

  • @raxOG-
    @raxOG- ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The amount we won a pistol because of a kit is insane

    • @voidzone
      @voidzone ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or you wouldn't have lost the defender because of armor and not have even needed the kit.

  • @ohsteeev
    @ohsteeev ปีที่แล้ว

    Strafe aiming is like, Aiming102. Its good to mention but it blows my mind so many commenters are amazed by it.

  • @buffayboy3340
    @buffayboy3340 ปีที่แล้ว

    valid video

  • @drastixdx3874
    @drastixdx3874 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m lvl 5 faceit and even when I play with 3-4 they all buy something. Maybe 1 person doesn’t and that’s most

  • @groenewoud071
    @groenewoud071 ปีที่แล้ว

    and if you do buy a kit 1st round go frickin mid so the rotaters can pick it back up xD